The Contrarians Presents: How Horrible are Supergroups?

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  • Опубликовано: 14 янв 2025

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  • @seethroughhead505
    @seethroughhead505 Год назад +9

    Interesting that Mr. Big are not mentioned, but their cotemporaries Blue Murder and Badlands are. Sheehan has suggested before that a potential reason for less than huge sales of their debut was the presence of these other 'supergroups'. Mr. Big, of course endured and are still touring and recording now.

    • @mikeharris9156
      @mikeharris9156 Год назад +1

      Good call. I think they were so good, it’s easy to forget that they were a Supergroup!

    • @DamageCase91
      @DamageCase91 Год назад +2

      Think they’re doing a final tour next year.

    • @seethroughhead505
      @seethroughhead505 Год назад

      @@DamageCase91 Yes, the Asia leg was this year, Europe and US in 2024.

    • @kikiki4592
      @kikiki4592 Год назад

      @@DamageCase91 So they are doing another one? I got to see the 2002 version of their farewell tour and pretty sure they did another farewell tour before Pat died when Gilbert was back in the band. Will look forward to the 2031 farewell tour too.

  • @kikiki4592
    @kikiki4592 Год назад +4

    Blue Murder and Badlands were both amazing super groups.Frankin of Blue Murder was in two, The Firm with Jimmy Page, Paul Rodgers and Chris Slade, another really good one.

  • @ldorr1
    @ldorr1 Год назад +7

    Damn Yankees were amazing. I liked the way he started it..then did the swerve...love both those albums. Bad English were tremendously great and the second album is MUCH greater than it's given credit for...

  • @shyshift
    @shyshift Год назад +3

    Pontus, Neil Young was @ Woodstock. Chip Monk introduces Crosby,Stills,Nash &Young. Though not in the movie, but on the album Neil is introduced by Graham as the organ player for a Young original called Sea of Madness. It sounds very similar to Cinnamon Girl.

  • @SaintMartins
    @SaintMartins Год назад +3

    ---- Supergroups ----
    *Temple Of The Dog - "self titled" (1991)*
    > Soundgarden, Pearl Jam
    *Mad Season - "above" (1995)*
    > Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam, Screaming Trees
    *This Mortal Coil - "It'll end in tears"(1984), "filigree & shadow"(1986), "blood" (1991)*
    > Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, The Pixies, Colourbox
    *The No WTO Combo - "live from the battle of Seattle" (2000)*
    > Dead Kennedys, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Sweet 75
    *Pigface - "gub" (1991), "fook" (1992), "notes from thee underground" (1993)*
    > Ministry, Skinny Puppy, Nine Inch Nails, Psychic TV, Killing Joke, KMFDM, Swans, Jesus Lizard, My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, Einsturzende Neubauten
    ---- Just Collaborations ----
    *Cocteau Twins w/ Harold Budd - "the moon and the melodies" (1986)*
    *David Bowie w/ Tin Machine - "l" (1989), "ll" (1991)*
    *Neil Young w/ Pearl Jam - "mirror ball" (1995)*
    *Lou Reed w/ Metallica - "lulu" (2011)*
    *Jello Biafra w/ D.O.A. - "last scream of the missing neighbors" (1990)*
    *Jello Biafra w/ NoMeansNo - "the sky is falling and i want my mommy" (1991)*

  • @MercuriusHibernicus
    @MercuriusHibernicus Год назад +1

    it's funny how the super group origin story with Cream/Blind Faith often leaves out the end of the story, the formation of Ginger Baker's Airforce in 1970, that included Steve Winwood, Denny Laine and many others, a great 'lost' album from the original rock/prog era

  • @kylewoolsey6635
    @kylewoolsey6635 Год назад +5

    I was disappointed to learn Rock Pile wasn’t named after Eugene Levy’s Mel’s Rock Pile from SCTV. Oh, well. The 4AD label put together their version of a no-star supergroup in the 80s to create their This Mortal Coil records with band members from Buzzcocks, Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, Modern English, Pixies , Throwing Muses, among others. All three records are excellent.

  • @andydio1964
    @andydio1964 Год назад +4

    This band was a flop
    The Law were an English rock group formed in 1991 by singer Paul Rodgers (ex-Free, Bad Company and The Firm) and drummer Kenney Jones (ex-Small Faces/Faces and The Who). They intended to use different supporting musicians, to allow Rodgers to pursue whatever style he wished. They assembled a core band of studio musicians, consisting of Jim Barber (whose credits include The Rolling Stones, Ruby Turner and Mick Jagger's solo album Primitive Cool) as the main guitarist, second guitarist John Staehely (ex-Spirit and Jo Jo Gunne) and bassist Pino Palladino (formerly of Paul Young's and Jools Holland's bands), with guest spots by guitarists such as David Gilmour, Bryan Adams and Chris Rea.

  • @charlespalermo6476
    @charlespalermo6476 Год назад +4

    The Barnstormers is a great rockabilly supergroup. Jimmy Barnes, Jools Holland, Slim Jim Phantom (Stray Cats), and Chris Cheney. An awesome combination of Cold Chisel and the Stray Cats. Very cool 🤘😎

    • @RickNBacker
      @RickNBacker Год назад +1

      Thanks for this, I will check them out.

  • @roberthardin2133
    @roberthardin2133 Год назад +3

    here's an intriguing supergroup; a fun side project for everyone involved that I think put out 2 decent albums. The Good, the Bad & the Queen which was comprised of singer Damon Albarn of Blur and Gorillaz, bassist Paul Simonon of the Clash, guitarist Simon Tong of the Verve, and Fela Kuti drummer Tony Allen. because Tony Allen passed away in 2020, this band is done, permanently, but from what I've heard, they liked working together, and they weren't burdened by marketing hype.

    • @kylewoolsey6635
      @kylewoolsey6635 Год назад +1

      I just wished there were more tunes on that record. Paul Simonon’s Havana 3 AM was terrific.

    • @williamtallman9816
      @williamtallman9816 Год назад

      Does anyone remember the Supergroup Phenomena? They suck!!

  • @seethroughhead505
    @seethroughhead505 Год назад

    Smith and Murray played the guitar melody lines behind the chorus in 'Stars'.

  • @bb-gc2tx
    @bb-gc2tx Год назад +3

    could van halen with sammy hagar technically be considered a super group ?

    • @Ron-wf5yw
      @Ron-wf5yw Год назад +1

      More than Led Zeppelin could be considered one at any rate. Robert Plant and John Bonham did not come from popular groups.

    • @mikeharris9156
      @mikeharris9156 Год назад

      If the Alter Bridge definition applies, then definitely!

    • @thecontrarians2438
      @thecontrarians2438  11 месяцев назад

      I consider supergroups coming together from several bands, but I suppose VH could be considered one.

  • @markhaselow8315
    @markhaselow8315 Год назад +4

    Asia
    Chickenfoot
    Black Country Communion
    Dead Daisys
    Bad English
    Winery Dogs
    Via
    By and large, it seems like most supergroups are good for an album or two. After that, it becomes pretty ify. The more well-known the players, the shorter the life-span of the group or project.

  • @3rc350
    @3rc350 Год назад +2

    i liked that Carlene Carter album Musical Shapes. Her duet with Dave Edmunds Baby Ride Easy a good one. I had two 8 tracks for our console with the 8 track player. One was Cactus which i heard was a super group as a kid. i grew up in Beaumont Tx. just across the LA border was the Texas Pelican Club for which there was a commercial that Mike Pinera and Ted Nugent were having a battle of LOUD guitars who would "break glass"....(i was about 8th grade at the time sounded good to me ) i bought New Cactus with high hopes for Mr. Pinera .....um Have i listened to that in 47 years ? nope

  • @kimberlywalker3970
    @kimberlywalker3970 Год назад +3

    I'm glad Martin mentioned Led Zeppelin because they've been said to be the original supergroup.
    I would say The Firm qualifies as a supergroup, Paul Rodgers, Jimmy Page. Overall, I see supergroups as good on paper but pretty underwhelming in the real world. Asia, ELP and Bad Company are the examples of the supergroups working. But bands like Cream, Derek and the Dominos, Traffic, Velvet Revolver, Power Station and GTR never last long. And others like Chickenfoot never really get off the ground. So, when I hear of a supergroup forming, I'm usually underwhelmed because it rarely turns out well.

    • @Ron-wf5yw
      @Ron-wf5yw Год назад +4

      Wouldn't consider Led Zeppelin a supergroup at all. Plant and Bonham pretty much came from nowhere.

    • @ChromeDestiny
      @ChromeDestiny Год назад

      They were originally hyped up as the continuation of The Yardbirds.

    • @kimberlywalker3970
      @kimberlywalker3970 Год назад +1

      @@ChromeDestiny The New Yardbirds, yes, I know. Thank you!

    • @youtoo2233
      @youtoo2233 Год назад +2

      Nah, only Page came from a well known band, John Paul Jones was well known as a session player, Bonham and Plant were virtually unheard of except locally

    • @kimberlywalker3970
      @kimberlywalker3970 Год назад

      @@youtoo2233 Okay, everyone, yes Page was a session player, and he was a member of The Yardbirds. John Paul Jones was also a session musician, who played on many records like Page. Robert Plant was virtually unknown, but he was signed to a record deal when he joined Zeppelin. There was an issue about putting his name on some of the songs because he had a recording deal. Bonham is the unknown, but he was playing drums in bands in Birmingham and getting paid for it. So, you can quibble all you want but three out of four were "working musicians" and they've called the original supergroup by some critics. Any questions?!

  • @wernermoritz882
    @wernermoritz882 Год назад +1

    Neil Young wasn‘t in CSN from the beginning.

  • @jkcarter436
    @jkcarter436 Год назад

    It was touched on slightly but where does projects like Jeff Wayne’s War of the Worlds fall in the discussion? Would this be considered a supergroup?
    I name this one because there were live performances and a live DVD.

  • @kikiki4592
    @kikiki4592 Год назад +2

    Gen X looked punk, yet MichaelBolten looked like a metal singer (after he quit doing rock), lol.

  • @Primordilian
    @Primordilian Год назад

    If a supergroup is created as a result of the desire of the label, there is a high probability that it will be horrible, and if it is created as a result of the desire of the musicians themselves to play together, which they have never done, the probability is that the result will be much better than in the previous case IMO

  • @acedylan
    @acedylan Год назад +1

    Arjen Lucassen's projects could be thought of as supergroups. The Chronicles of Father Robin. Flying Colors also comes to mind. Eldovar = Elder + Kadavar.

  • @kikiki4592
    @kikiki4592 Год назад

    Rudy Sarazo from Ozzy's band was on Hear and Aid.

  • @JosephSterle
    @JosephSterle Год назад +1

    How many of the members of a band need to be famous to qualify? All of them? Is Coverdale/Page a supergroup or do you need more than two to count? Not my favorite but one of the most successful has to be the Traveling Wilburys, I would think. I’d call HSAS one of my favorites.

    • @winstonsyme5899
      @winstonsyme5899 Год назад +2

      I would guess each member was in another well known band or studio musician. Martin said Led Zeppelin was a super group and that has to be wrong. Bonham and Plant were unknown.

    • @jimmycampbell78
      @jimmycampbell78 Год назад

      Yes and even John Paul Jones was unknown too, he was a respected studio musician in the London music scene but he had not officially been in any renowned band before that. You are quite right, Zeppelin were not a supergroup. Initially too they were effectively a renewed line up of the Yardbirds and were billed as the New Yardbirds on the first tour they did.

  • @kikiki4592
    @kikiki4592 Год назад +1

    Neuorotic Outsiders were one of the best "punk" supergroups of the 90's, Duff McKagan (GnR), Steve Jones (Sex Pistols), John Taylor (Duran/Duran) and the one time Cult drummer were awesome

  • @kikiki4592
    @kikiki4592 Год назад +1

    Public Image Limited circa Albums should be considered one also, Johnny Rotten, Steve Vai and Ginger Baker.

    • @peterdelaney7061
      @peterdelaney7061 Год назад

      I believe Vai only played a single guitar solo on one track. Not a full member

  • @МаксРогозин-е1ю
    @МаксРогозин-е1ю Год назад +2

    ELP is a supergroup and amazing one. I also like UK in their first incarnation.

  • @ksheklassics
    @ksheklassics 11 месяцев назад

    I ❤ and site The Firm as one of the best concerts I ever saw. Both albums are just so incredibly great with standouts Midnight Moonlight, Cadillac, Money Can’t Buy, Tear Down The Walls and Spirit Of Love just to name a few. The most perfect male vocal with an insanely credible guitarist just ripping. You have an immensely powerful rhythm with Franklin and Slade. You really cannot get a better lineup. I think these two albums are brilliant!!! There is a 12” with live City Sirens and Live In Peace which is well worth a purchase (if you can fine it).

  • @EvanBNW
    @EvanBNW Год назад +2

    I’m not done listening but I’m going to say that for me Transatlantic is probably the greatest supergroup of all time. I prefer their albums over the vast majority or material from the individual members.

  • @wernermoritz882
    @wernermoritz882 Год назад

    The best thing about supergroups is the insane excitement you get as a fan before listening to the actual music. In almost every case then you realize it is not half as good or totally different as you hoped for. Supergroups create insane expectations and insane disappointment as well.

  • @svsugvcarter
    @svsugvcarter Год назад

    The Traveling Wilburys came across as a good time.

  • @SWEETFA24
    @SWEETFA24 Год назад +1

    Thank goodness XYZ never fully materialized. It would have never lived up to expectations.

  • @cirjames2540
    @cirjames2540 Год назад +1

    Supergroups are typically filled with virtuosos. A group of great players are not usually the best songwriters.

  • @Justin_Kipper
    @Justin_Kipper Год назад

    My definition of "supergroup" has always required that at least 2 members came from different established and successful bands to create new recordings...and actually tour as a band. I could throw out a lot of bands often mentioned as supergroups that didn't qualify by my definition...and remind people of others that _did_ fit my definition, such as Wings.

  • @andyshelton4889
    @andyshelton4889 Год назад

    Regarding Humble Pie, except for The Small Faces-most of those were not popular or well known.😀❤️🎼

  • @DamageCase91
    @DamageCase91 Год назад

    Yeah Asia reunion: the live in Tokyo 2007 show, Phoenix, Oblivion (I think), XXX and that last title eacapes my mind . . the live albums from each tour are great too.

  • @baldridgeroy
    @baldridgeroy Год назад +1

    I don't consider Alter Bridge as a supergroup. Kennedy wasn't really a name before AB.

  • @anthonybomberry9935
    @anthonybomberry9935 Год назад +1

    Tommy smothers history

  • @offthecharts2272
    @offthecharts2272 Год назад

    I like certain Supergroups (also did an episode on that once on my channel)... but seems everyone forgot the worst Supergroup of all time: Rockstar Supernova! LOL Anyone remember this flop? I'm not even certain if an album came out at the time? But I definitely remember that tv show!

  • @RickNBacker
    @RickNBacker Год назад +1

    My faves: Transatlantic and Sleep

    • @daanthing6002
      @daanthing6002 11 месяцев назад

      Sleep? I think Shrinebuilder is the supergroup. That was one hell of an album.

  • @zerodok
    @zerodok Год назад +1

    Black Country Communion 👍🏻

  • @bgmchrisc
    @bgmchrisc Год назад +1

    There's some really loose defining of a supergroup here, at least to me. Martin mentioned A Perfect Circle. That's Billy's band, and he was completely unknown when they came out. Having one already famous member doesn't make a supergroup. To be super, you need to really have the majority, if not all of the band, be among the best and best known at what they do. Hence, Led Zeppelin wouldn't count either. We often overrate just how known some of these people are/were.
    The biggest issue with supergroups, especially today, is that they're often made up of people from bands who aren't the songwriters, so you wind up with a band of minimally famous people who can't write a song between the lot of them. Yeah, real f'n super.

  • @kikiki4592
    @kikiki4592 Год назад +1

    I always put Gen X and Billy Idol, new wave, not punk at all besides snipping the look.

  • @guitarman7983
    @guitarman7983 Год назад

    Winnery Dogs,kickass,one of the best..🤘😝🎶

  • @randytaylor220
    @randytaylor220 Год назад

    I remember Bad English coming out and thought, this is the best they could do?!?

  • @98939893
    @98939893 Год назад +2

    Power Station. Tin Machine. Derek and the Dominoes. The Three Tenors, haha!!

    • @mikewest1542
      @mikewest1542 Год назад

      Tin Machine, more like superman 😂😂😂

  • @kikiki4592
    @kikiki4592 Год назад

    Fastway (Eddie from Motorhead, Pete Way from UFO and Jerry Shirly from Humble Pie) and Dave King was another great one, sorry these names keep coming back to me as I watch, lol.

  • @andyshelton4889
    @andyshelton4889 Год назад

    What about Spinal Tap?😀❤️🎼

  • @mikewest1542
    @mikewest1542 Год назад +2

    Asia’s 1st album was excellent I agree but before that was U.K and they were truly better and brilliant !

  • @SWEETFA24
    @SWEETFA24 Год назад

    Another one NWOBHM super group Gognagog which featured Iron Maiden and Def Leppard former members. Only resulted in a 3 song EP.

  • @memphistennis1691
    @memphistennis1691 Год назад +2

    GTR

  • @tonywills3137
    @tonywills3137 Год назад

    Totally agree about Elegant Weapons…average at best hoped for more

  • @DanM-mi8oo
    @DanM-mi8oo Год назад

    Would Contraband be considered a super group? Bobby Blotzer of Ratt, Michael Schenker of MSG, Tracii Guns of LA Guns, Richard Black of Shark Island, and Share Pedersen of Vixen. The project quickly fell apart which is a shame.

  • @kikiki4592
    @kikiki4592 Год назад

    Dead Daisies and Union are both really great super groups, esp all the versions of the Daisies.

  • @markwilburn4962
    @markwilburn4962 2 месяца назад

    Bad English came to mind along with most of the ones mentioned

  • @jensnilsson1507
    @jensnilsson1507 Год назад

    I think you are on point when you say that supergroups often are hyped but when you hear the music it is `meh`. Like some of them but never my favorites.

  • @anthonycannella9211
    @anthonycannella9211 Год назад

    How about Winery Dogs? Many people may not realize but Bad Company is a solid “supergroup”

  • @marswillrule2431
    @marswillrule2431 Год назад

    Praxis, one of my favs.

  • @memphistennis1691
    @memphistennis1691 Год назад

    The Sea Within

  • @gytrplr
    @gytrplr Год назад +1

    Most of them can’t write songs. They are big names but normally not the songwriters so the songs are blah. O.S.I. Is amazing and should be right behind King Crimson

  • @kikiki4592
    @kikiki4592 Год назад

    IMO, Vertu featuring Richie Kotzen, Stanley Clarke, and Lenny White was one of the greatest ever.

  • @kikiki4592
    @kikiki4592 Год назад

    60's people didnt steal other bands members? Yardbirds, John Mayells Blues Breakers, Fleetwood Mac, Faces aka Jeff Beck Group???

  • @kikiki4592
    @kikiki4592 Год назад

    Warner Brothers paid the Damn Yankees a couple of million not to release another album. They were not going to promote them or that type of music anymore, according to Blades.

    • @ryanjacobson2508
      @ryanjacobson2508 Год назад +1

      And Grunge started fading around 1994-1995 anyway.... And the labels were flooding MTV with boring and talentless "Alternative" bands, many of whom ended up with less sales and popularity than the 2nd tier hair metal bands.

  • @davidpawlowski7371
    @davidpawlowski7371 Год назад

    Fugazi count? If Fugazi counts they are the best

  • @inmyhouse11
    @inmyhouse11 Год назад

    Frontier Records label is the king of putting out supergroup albums.

  • @kikiki4592
    @kikiki4592 Год назад

    Contraband featuring Michael Shenker, Tracii Guns, Share Pederson (Vixen) Bobby Blotzer (Ratt) and Paul Black (LA Guns and Shark Island) were the worst one of all time, imo. Not a decent tune on it.

  • @winstonsyme5899
    @winstonsyme5899 Год назад

    Bad Company.
    Cream.
    David Lee Roth band.

    • @steverickenbacher7110
      @steverickenbacher7110 Год назад

      How on Earth is Bad Company a supergroup? Nobody heard of Mick Ralphs before Bad Co, and Boz was taught to play bass by Robert Fripp like 5 minutes before that incarnation of King Crimson's first show. Furthermore, DLR is not super in any way, shape or form.

    • @seethroughhead505
      @seethroughhead505 Год назад +1

      @@steverickenbacher7110 The argument would be that Rodgers and Kirke were known from Free, Burrell from KC and Ralphs from Mott. In the case of Roth (assuming we're referring to his first solo band) Sheehan was known from Talas, Bissonette from Maynard Ferguson and Vai from Zappa. It was the music press which labelled these bands 'Supergroups' regardless of the average music fan's knowledge of the musicians' previous accomplishments.

    • @mikewest1542
      @mikewest1542 Год назад

      Supergroups are a weird subject, great bands like ELP, U.K , Cream, but there’s horrible ones like GTR !

    • @steverickenbacher7110
      @steverickenbacher7110 Год назад

      Good for you! You've ignored everything I said. I know more than most in the music press, so why would I care what they say? Besides, being "known" is NOT what makes the members of a group "super". A few people were Mott fans and even fewer were Crimson fans. Both Ralphs and Burrell were barely known and hardly super enough to make Bad Company a supergroup. Sheehan was not well known enough in those days, and Maynard Ferguson is the favorite trumpet player of every white guy who thinks they know jazz, so how would any rock fan have heard of Bissonette through him? I've give ya Vai, but DLR was a clown. Well known because of EVH, but a clown.
      @@seethroughhead505

    • @winstonsyme5899
      @winstonsyme5899 Год назад

      @@steverickenbacher7110
      Bad Company was a band comprised of two ex members of Free. One from Mott the Hoople and another from King Crimson. That would be by definition a supergroup. Nothing ‘super’ about the DLR band. You mean besides Vai’s guitar playing and Sheehan’s bass playing? You don’t have to be a jerk about it.

  • @timcobb6197
    @timcobb6197 Год назад

    SuperHeavy the Supergroup with Mick Jagger and Dave Stewart from the Eurythmics was pretty horrible.

    • @DBTdad
      @DBTdad Год назад

      Yes! Pure shitt!

  • @tonywills3137
    @tonywills3137 Год назад

    A Perfect Circle is just the worst thing ever

  • @memphistennis1691
    @memphistennis1691 Год назад

    Velvet Revolver

  • @kikiki4592
    @kikiki4592 Год назад

    Winery Dogs not in Popoff's top 20, typical bad taste, lol.

  • @brianpirie5490
    @brianpirie5490 Год назад

    The words Christian and rock the worst two words in music..
    Great show but so many bands that are just shit all ways up.
    Happy new year !!

  • @davidpousho4828
    @davidpousho4828 Год назад

    Most supergroups are just mediocre. The Firm is the perfect example. Exciting on paper, music just meh.

  • @scottmcgregor4829
    @scottmcgregor4829 Год назад

    Kgb with Michael Bloomfield and Carmine Appice was pretty boring.. pretty terrible to my ears.

  • @kurtbaughman1349
    @kurtbaughman1349 Год назад

    Oysterhead

  • @luarzemog
    @luarzemog Год назад

    Bajamelajaulajaimebajamela

  • @bryanmcfadden4071
    @bryanmcfadden4071 Год назад +2

    Sleep has been one of my favorite bands for decades, was Asbestos death ☠️ in the hardcore latter 80's
    Al Cisneros from 0m
    Matt Pike from High on Fire 🔥
    Jason Roeder from Neurosis
    They release a new album every 20 years since Dopesmoker 1992 and Holy Mountain stoner/Fuzz worship 🙏

    • @RickNBacker
      @RickNBacker Год назад +2

      How about Al in Shrinebuilder too...

    • @bryanmcfadden4071
      @bryanmcfadden4071 Год назад +1

      @@RickNBacker bought that when it released, big names in there too .

    • @bryanmcfadden4071
      @bryanmcfadden4071 Год назад +1

      @@RickNBacker Down is another good one.

    • @daanthing6002
      @daanthing6002 11 месяцев назад +1

      Sleep is awesome but an original band. Shrinebuilder is a posterchild supergroup. Fantastic album.

    • @bryanmcfadden4071
      @bryanmcfadden4071 11 месяцев назад

      @@daanthing6002 they're in 3 different bands now , so it sticks

  • @islandhorizonvideos8230
    @islandhorizonvideos8230 Год назад

    Asia, Damn Yankees and the Traveling Wilberrys come to mind as some of the worse.