+Matthew Lee We used to have a baseball announcer in San Diego named Jerry Coleman who might have been a match for Murray. He'd come up with gems such as "If Pete Rose brings the Reds in first, they oughta bronze him and put him in cement", and he once said that a pitcher had a "Karl Marx hairdo"-confusing Karl for Harpo Marx.
F1 got greedy and wanted to stage races in boring tracks in the desert with way too much runoff ... this leads to less drama and excitement and this is why modern F1 sucks.
@@markc8956 modern F1, and all sport for that matter.. is just a symptom of something much larger. Seems people will hand over all of their freedom and liberty for more of this (perceived) "safety"...you can live in your ultra safe, insulated bubble wrapped world. I will just continue to watch these old videos and pine for a time when living life with freedom in mind, meant you accepted that living life includes risks, otherwise it wouldn't be living.
@@markc8956 You, and people like you, are the issue with modern F1. This perceived, completely incorrect notion of safety has taken any intrigue out of the sport, because mistakes are no longer punished by the circuits, which should make you realize this: Tarmac runoffs breed complacency, and there is nothing worse than people with not nearly enough skill, going not nearly slowly enough, because of complacency. Hubert and van 't Hoff would be 100% still alive if it weren't for fucking tarmac runoffs, and the racing quality, as well as the entertainment value, would both be higher.
yes this circuit is amazing, but the new circuit is actually better for the fans. this long fast circuit only had 45 laps. fans only saw each car 45 times almost 2 minutes between each lap. the new shorter circuit lets fans see the cars 70 times. also, most of the circuit was so far into the forest, there were no stands or access out there. the new circuit has stands all around and easily accessible. whilst the old circuit had more character, was unique and nostalgic, the new circuits more commercial sense.
But new circuit is so boring track. The old one was unique. But im watching it on tv so yeah u are right that peopple on track see cars more often. But its so boring track :D
Just about old enough to remember watching the F1 races round old Hockenheim on TV. Nothing and I do mean nothing beat the V10s screaming towards and past the cameras...I'm kind of happy to have those memories but bitterly disappointed too, knowing that it's now gone forever.
I was hoping someone would make that clear in the comments. He was a very underrated driver. Veru honorable dtiver took. He turned the FW16... (94 Williams) into a championship wining car ...one that killed Senna at the beginning of the 94 season.
@@paulshepherd1348 Williams addressed the williams issue quickly, it was still the fastest car in 94 and 95. 94 Schumacher literally did not get to race 3 times and had a BS disqualification just so Hill could catch up. 95 williams hit 12/17 poll positions and even a young DC was making it look easy but they got wrecked by the inferior benetton and MS. Damon was unlucky hear and brazil but he also crashed into Micheal 2 occasions and spun off a further 2 times. He literally could not overtake MS in that benetton, forward to 1996 and Alesi can't even get near the williams when both cars have had equal development.
@@wingzero2348 - it was the best car in both 1994 and 1995. Williams were out-thought by Benetton on the strategy though, and Schumacher was the superior driver, which is no reflection on Damon. Schumacher was special. You're right - this was a failed differential on Damon's car, and his suspension broke in Brazil, which prevented him winning there. He performed really well in Argentina and San Marino, and finally achieved his potential in 1996.
@@wingzero2348 apart from the fact Benetton were cheating like mad throughout 1994. You also fail to mention that Hill suffered car failures at Canada and Spain in 1995. Schumacher smashed his car up twice in Brazil and was very very lucky to win in the race, he did it again in San Marino but this time in the actual race while desperately trying to catch up to Hill. That was 3 driver errors to Damon's 0 in the first 3 races alone. Sadly, the car let Damon down too often and he was forced into desperate moves by mid season. Shame, as normal Schumi was lucky
That Williams from the 94-95 season, in the Rothmans livery, is one of the most beautiful and sophisticated F1 cars ever made...even by today's standard.
+Miguel Moreno I know Senna, if you watch his biopic, was struggling with it before he died. A big part had to do with the banning of a lot of driver aids that year (94) didn't it? They banned a lot of traction control stuff I think and it made it very difficult to drive.
+Michael Hoeller I don't know, I think the Rothmans livery, with Senna dying in it, and Hill winning in it and the Villenueve the year after, was more iconic...but it's all personal opinion.
I think in terms of sophistication the 91-93 cars were more high tech, as a lot of their trickery was banned for 94. The banned CVT car was probably the most sophisticated F1 car of all time.
Funny fact: Hill's only lap (which he started from standstill) was faster that any flying lap in the race by Martini, Montermini, Moreno, Lavaggi or Diniz. Of those five drivers, Montermini finished the race, Moreno and Lavaggi completed around two thirds while Martini and Diniz completed about one fourth of the distance.
Tim Holcroft I found his voice, and his inaccuracy, really aggravating. I was also told by a friend that at Goodwood Festival he was totally obnoxious to 'fans' seeking his autograph..
Bad brake balance. The back just gave way for no apparent reason. On an unrelated subject, they really fucked this circuit over by making it "normal." An engine breaking blast through the forest with huge stops was spectacular. It's boring as hell now.
Completely disagree. Its true that it lost its classic character, lots of straightlines and all that, but boring??? Now Hockenheim is one of the best tracks in the world to see great battles and lots of overtaking. Please re-watch the 2014 german GP just in case you have bad memory.
nixxxon18 Personally, I preferred hearing engines screaming until they broke and seeing who the last of the late brakers would before entering the stadium section with no downforce. The overtaking issue isa result of the rules which were ironically, supposed generate more overtaking but now it's push-to-pass and racing incidents get a full judge and jury enquiry at The Hague. There may be more overtaking but these days it's more inevitable than skill except for Hamilton and I don't rate even him as a driver.
Yoda on DMT F1 is about racing though, and being fastest... not about being a showcase of loud engines. You're missing the point of it. F1 main problem a decade ago was the astonishing lack of overtaking and wheel to wheel action, but now its fixed thanks to the cars being much less aerodynamic dependent. V8 sounds were hugely overrated aswell... they sounded far weaker than a V10. And those sound weaker than a V12, and so on. But those huge engines are sadly becoming something from the past. They are not efficient nor light enough.
nixxxon18 They're pretty much as aero dependant as they always were. The lack of overtaking was the domination of certain teams which is a problem that was, and always was going to be resolved naturally over time. Up until around the death of Senna, there was plenty of action and racing. Since around the turn of the century, there's been less and less racing and more driving.
Yoda on DMT Wrong. Cars in the late 90's were becoming extremely aero dependent up to the point that in the early 00's it was almost impossible to overtake a car unless you were a hell of a lot faster or if the driver upfront made a mistake, because of all the turbulent air. The 2009 regulations made the car lose lots of aero downforce and aero apendix, the car relied more on mechanical grip of the tyres and on the front end, and the rear wing was a lot smaller. In that way cars could follow each other behind much easily, and with the help of DRS, overtake more easily on the straights. It was a complete success.
that wasn't because of his father. he started driving F1 at 32 and was world champion once, winning a race with a jordan and reaching a podium with a footwork. He was strong and would be better if he started at 5 years old as happens this days. Sorry for my english.
Why would they ever change this circuit? The extremely fast and slow sections made for a real challenge, and made the circuit more unique compared to others.
The owners (old money grubbing farts) wanted to make more money, simple as that. It had nothing to do with Ecclestone or the FIA - Hockenheim had a conctract till 2003 with option for more 5 years. Shorter track, more visitors to the track, more money for tickets, that was the plan.
+BLITZund DONNER damn and now a few days before the German gp I'm not excited to watch, the old track was amazing, tested the limits and endurance of the engine.
At least they should have kept the long track for other events or just as an homage to the once great circuit. But they decided to waste even more money on tearing it down and re-foresting it...
Not sure about that…shit team though couldn’t figure a strategy out of a Mac Donald’s drive thru. The Benetton was an awesome car let’s not be silly Ross brawn was there Tom wilkinshaw and the 94 car was wiping the floor with senna and Williams so we shouldn’t jump to such conclusion.
@DarthSparhawk Yeah I agree, the Hill-haters usually forget 1996. You can't ignore 8 wins against someone as fast as Villeneuve. But 1995 was Hill's worst year, he said, "there were more downs than ups". Silverstone was bad, he could have got that win, and he done brilliantly at Nurburgring getting round the outside of Schumacher until he cocked up, but the williams pit stops were also very long that year compared to Benetton. It's a shame so many people focus on 1995.
For those who are interested in real Formula 1 and technical aspect : if you look at 2:40 , 2:41 , you can see that the car was doing a slightly but still perceptible angle . This is a : - rear suspension failure or - a driveshaft failure Like what happened in Brazil 1995. But Hill, with very little knowledge of F1 and very little sensitivity , was not capable of perceiving it . the guy went into media saying that he do not understand what happened . I remember having spotted the failure live. And if I recall correctly, Prost who was commenting on the French TV also did spotted that . Not surprising that a guy like Hill would go nonsense with his explanation at Tamburello. If he was not Brit and was not the son of Graham, he would probably have never access F1 or at max, only as a pay driver for few GP at the back. Mansell who got heavily, strongly been dominated by Elio De Angelis, has also strongly benefited from his nationality. Like Germans after the economy of Japan get hit at the beginning of 90's . Uncle E (Ecclestone) pushed strongly for Germans to replace Japan
i would say definitely mechanical error. it was a very sudden traction loss, so definitely something went wrong in the rear end. the fact that he hasn't turned in much yet means that it's not very likely to be a driver error.
@Speedy00 I've thought this for a while, it's probably due to parc ferme conditions that we have so many SC starts lately. They stopped morning warm-up, they stopped acclimatisation practice they cannot change the cars to a wet set up and no monsoon tyres. INMO this is why the SC has been used to start a race every year since 2007
@zt2max Actually I think Hill´s mistakes came from being frustrated by those long stops...it was at Spain,when he tried to overtake Alesi during the stop but ended up many seconds behind him...that Monaco and a bad strategy..again in France,he needed to come in with Schumacher,but on that lap Coulthard was in...and at nurburgring 9,6s stop to Schumachers 6,6...and at Portugal,Hill stop took 16,5s...
I used to live close to this track and follow races there. To those wondering why they changed it? 44 laps only, long stretches w no stands. A purely economical decision. Unfortunately, the F1 races remained a loss for the owners because they still didn't make enough money to cover Ecclestone's fees and turn a profit after Schumi retired. Dong forget, a lot of races in Asia received huge government subsidies in the beginning and Ecclestone used those inflated rates to squeeze Silverstone, Hockenheim and other tracks.
good old wikipedia: Initially it was believed that Hill spun off due to oil laid down on the track from overfull oil tanks - as it is common practice for teams to fill the oil tanks prior to the start of the race. A few days after the race, however, the Williams team discovered that Hill's car had in fact suffered from a driveshaft failure leading to his accident.
And the focus required by a tilke track is even higher. Hockenheim has history, that I don't doubt. But the strain put on the drivers by the modern cars and tracks is absolutely phenomenal; you can't forget that tilke tracks require the driver to be under massive g loads for extended periods of time, while maintaining that high focus you mentioned. Now if we took the wings off the cars, the old track would become interesting again. Too much downforce nowadays, you think?
it seems we're both wrong then, the masell crash WAS in 87, when he was driving his last season for lotus, and yes your quite right it was 88 when he crashed in monaco. i appologise for having a few beers and not remembering the date :/ and for the record the crash in 87 was sennas fault, mansell tried to overtake on the outside and senna lost controll and spun into the side of him.
Welll, there are certainly tracks that are really well done and that are designed by Tilke. Buddh International Circuit (the Indian Grand Prix) for example. That track is really fluid with many fast corners and high speed passages. It is a pleasure to drive and to watch, imho.
i don't think that was a driving mistake. im not a hill fan but it's nearly impossible to lose it in that particular corner in such a way. unless he went down 1 gear too much and locked the rear wheels, but that would be really unusual in that corner
lol as the biggest fan of Senna you should know that this "Driver error" had another name called:"phsycological warfare". Jeremy Clarkson showed this @ Top Gear's Ayrton Senna Tribute because of Ayrton's 50th birthday. It's a really cool tribute, for those who don't know, you should check this. Another R.I.P to my/the biggest F1 Legend.
If you're going straight, it doesn't really matter how fast you're going. Now on the other hand, if the car is on the sharp edge of over/understeer (basically being in danger of spinning out) during a 120 mile an hour turn, that there my friend is excitement. Especially when you're trying to pass or getting passed by someone during the turn. All passes on straights involve are one driver simply driving by the other with no input to the controls. Top fuel dragsters are bonkers, though.
@AlejjSi Yeah, I agree, I remember that year he had a lot of bad luck, long stops aswell as mistakes. i think he let Schumacher get to him psychologically. He was an otherwise good driver, if he had ignored Schumy he would have done okay. In '94 he didn't let MS get to him as much.
@tinysteelorchestra What cost him the 2007 drive was the fact he was asking for stupid amounts of money and Frank Williams didn't want to give it to him.
he had a great 1994, he carried the team so well after Imola, but was just outdriven in 1995, he never had Schumacher's speed. I always liked Damon much more though
One of the weirdest crashes I've ever seen in F1. Hill just suddenly spinning off after such a dominant opening lap - no wet conditions or anything! PS I agree Hockenheim was great back then before it changed, I even went there once.
Learn this. You don't get to drive the best car unless you're a good driver and have the ability. Like that guy said, developing a car into a winner is a quality some drivers have and others don't. Ferrari considered signing Hill in 1995 had they not been able to secure the services of Schumacher.
"He's managed to qualify...12 seconds off the pace" ahh the 90s when F1 was super competitive (Yes I know Lavaggi was an Italian nobleman paying for his seat to allow Pacific to keep the lights on but it's still hilarious)
It was a constant in this year of 1995. 2:38 Hill, Schumacher, Coulthard... and Damon Hill out of the race... and Michael Schumacher takes the lead....😅😅😅😅😅😅
Very strange way to spin out on a dry track. Looks like Damon had a sudden problem with his gearbox, brake, transmission or something like that. Something that is blocking or a gearbox that shifts one gear further back than Damon planned by some technical failure.
@blainyrules he didn't want it bad enough. . have you ever seen his interviews? schumi wanted it. hill hoped for it. that's why the schumacher got 7 championships--are you gonna say he cheated for all 7?
1:39 lol
"Williams - Benetton - Williams - Ferrari - Jordan - Jordan - Mika Hakkinen"
Mika is a car 😂
+ZeidGho Classic Murray. :-D
+Matthew Lee We used to have a baseball announcer in San Diego named Jerry Coleman who might have been a match for Murray. He'd come up with gems such as "If Pete Rose brings the Reds in first, they oughta bronze him and put him in cement", and he once said that a pitcher had a "Karl Marx hairdo"-confusing Karl for Harpo Marx.
I can drive him lol😂
ZeidGho Mika is a machine.
And Johnny Hebert as well
Williams, Benetton, Williams, Ferrari, Jordan, Jordan, Mika Hakkinen... Gotta love Murray!
1st Hill 2nd Schumacher..... And the rest of them
+Korus That's EXACTLY what I thought. ^^ Maybe there were some Mika's and Hakkinen cars in the teams at that time and we missed it.
I Miss Murray, F1 isn't the same without him.
AG Coarseman yup yup
How could they ever destroy such an amazing track as the old Hockenheim...
F1 got greedy and wanted to stage races in boring tracks in the desert with way too much runoff ... this leads to less drama and excitement and this is why modern F1 sucks.
It was BORING,that's why,as is Hungary. Tracks now with run off is done for SAFETY - people would do WELL to remember that
I couldn't agree more the old circuit was amazing. Frightening in the wet almost as frightening in the dry. But a proper f1 circuit
@@markc8956 modern F1, and all sport for that matter.. is just a symptom of something much larger. Seems people will hand over all of their freedom and liberty for more of this (perceived) "safety"...you can live in your ultra safe, insulated bubble wrapped world. I will just continue to watch these old videos and pine for a time when living life with freedom in mind, meant you accepted that living life includes risks, otherwise it wouldn't be living.
@@markc8956 You, and people like you, are the issue with modern F1.
This perceived, completely incorrect notion of safety has taken any intrigue out of the sport, because mistakes are no longer punished by the circuits, which should make you realize this:
Tarmac runoffs breed complacency, and there is nothing worse than people with not nearly enough skill, going not nearly slowly enough, because of complacency. Hubert and van 't Hoff would be 100% still alive if it weren't for fucking tarmac runoffs, and the racing quality, as well as the entertainment value, would both be higher.
And they keep asking why the German GP draws such low crowds nowadays. Totally clear to me. They ruined this amazing circuit.
Yep that's it
They ruined the whole sport.
yes this circuit is amazing, but the new circuit is actually better for the fans. this long fast circuit only had 45 laps. fans only saw each car 45 times almost 2 minutes between each lap. the new shorter circuit lets fans see the cars 70 times. also, most of the circuit was so far into the forest, there were no stands or access out there. the new circuit has stands all around and easily accessible. whilst the old circuit had more character, was unique and nostalgic, the new circuits more commercial sense.
But new circuit is so boring track. The old one was unique. But im watching it on tv so yeah u are right that peopple on track see cars more often. But its so boring track :D
Michael Schumacher retired more like
"Hill, Schumacher...... and the rest of them."
Yeah, thanks Murray, that helps xD
He only really cared about the positions of the British drivers lol.
I mean in 1995 it was only those 2 that were always up there lol
I really miss the old Hockenheim!
+UnimatrixOne You can't beat that Hockenheim circuit.
Yep just another bastersised emasculated tilke track now, and F1 today ties itself up in knots wondering what's wrong with it today
Nearly everyone does except Hermann Tilke
Gigidag77 The sooner that guy retires from track design the better.
Just about old enough to remember watching the F1 races round old Hockenheim on TV. Nothing and I do mean nothing beat the V10s screaming towards and past the cameras...I'm kind of happy to have those memories but bitterly disappointed too, knowing that it's now gone forever.
BROKEN DRIVESHAFT caused Damon's crash, just to make it CLEAR.
Classic Hockenhein = pure gold
I was hoping someone would make that clear in the comments. He was a very underrated driver. Veru honorable dtiver took. He turned the FW16... (94 Williams) into a championship wining car ...one that killed Senna at the beginning of the 94 season.
@@paulshepherd1348 Williams addressed the williams issue quickly, it was still the fastest car in 94 and 95. 94 Schumacher literally did not get to race 3 times and had a BS disqualification just so Hill could catch up. 95 williams hit 12/17 poll positions and even a young DC was making it look easy but they got wrecked by the inferior benetton and MS.
Damon was unlucky hear and brazil but he also crashed into Micheal 2 occasions and spun off a further 2 times. He literally could not overtake MS in that benetton, forward to 1996 and Alesi can't even get near the williams when both cars have had equal development.
@@wingzero2348 - it was the best car in both 1994 and 1995. Williams were out-thought by Benetton on the strategy though, and Schumacher was the superior driver, which is no reflection on Damon. Schumacher was special.
You're right - this was a failed differential on Damon's car, and his suspension broke in Brazil, which prevented him winning there.
He performed really well in Argentina and San Marino, and finally achieved his potential in 1996.
There was absolutely no way that was a driver error. Williams……… 🙄
@@wingzero2348 apart from the fact Benetton were cheating like mad throughout 1994. You also fail to mention that Hill suffered car failures at Canada and Spain in 1995. Schumacher smashed his car up twice in Brazil and was very very lucky to win in the race, he did it again in San Marino but this time in the actual race while desperately trying to catch up to Hill. That was 3 driver errors to Damon's 0 in the first 3 races alone. Sadly, the car let Damon down too often and he was forced into desperate moves by mid season. Shame, as normal Schumi was lucky
That Williams from the 94-95 season, in the Rothmans livery, is one of the most beautiful and sophisticated F1 cars ever made...even by today's standard.
+Prophet Ascending It was twitchy as f*** in both years though
+Miguel Moreno Yeap. But the FW18, the car from 1996, is one of the best looking and most dominating cars ever...
+Miguel Moreno
I know Senna, if you watch his biopic, was struggling with it before he died.
A big part had to do with the banning of a lot of driver aids that year (94) didn't it?
They banned a lot of traction control stuff I think and it made it very difficult to drive.
+Michael Hoeller
I don't know, I think the Rothmans livery, with Senna dying in it, and Hill winning in it and the Villenueve the year after, was more iconic...but it's all personal opinion.
I think in terms of sophistication the 91-93 cars were more high tech, as a lot of their trickery was banned for 94. The banned CVT car was probably the most sophisticated F1 car of all time.
Proper sounding F1 cars racing at the real Hockenheim circuit....
Funny fact: Hill's only lap (which he started from standstill) was faster that any flying lap in the race by Martini, Montermini, Moreno, Lavaggi or Diniz. Of those five drivers, Montermini finished the race, Moreno and Lavaggi completed around two thirds while Martini and Diniz completed about one fourth of the distance.
Murray at its best:
Williams, Benetton, Williams, Ferrari, Jordan, Jordan, MIKA HAKKINEN
epic
Murray Walker was a dreadful commentator.
John Smith Murray was the greatist commentator yes he messed up but that was part of his charm
Tim Holcroft I found his voice, and his inaccuracy, really aggravating. I was also told by a friend that at Goodwood Festival he was totally obnoxious to 'fans' seeking his autograph..
John Smith My mum has met Murray and he is lovely
Tim Holcroft Maybe he was having a bad day when my friend met him at Goodwood.
Mika Hakkinen isnt a driver, he's a team.
Ironically he was right.
he is a machine xD
Has Frank Williams ever looked less than a hundred years old?
No
no he's always looked like a grumpy old lizard
He is Mr. Burns!
He has the perfect pokerface. looks always the same.
Sir Frank Williams. Not just a stupid screen hider as you.
Drive shaft failure en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_German_Grand_Prix
I loved this era of F1!
And it's Williams, Benetton, Williams, Ferrari, Jordan Jordan...Mika Hakkinen :D
+BrianLufia was a great car hakkinen!!
Francesco Ciorpoido
yeah, right? :D
Was confirmed as a fault on the car, but god it made Damon look bad at an error prone time
1:39 Ah yes my favorite F1 Teams: Mika Häkkinen and Johnny Herbert
@MWPompert Actually a few days after the race the Williams team discovered that a driveshaft had failed just before the accident.
Bad brake balance. The back just gave way for no apparent reason.
On an unrelated subject, they really fucked this circuit over by making it "normal." An engine breaking blast through the forest with huge stops was spectacular. It's boring as hell now.
Completely disagree. Its true that it lost its classic character, lots of straightlines and all that, but boring???
Now Hockenheim is one of the best tracks in the world to see great battles and lots of overtaking. Please re-watch the 2014 german GP just in case you have bad memory.
nixxxon18 Personally, I preferred hearing engines screaming until they broke and seeing who the last of the late brakers would before entering the stadium section with no downforce.
The overtaking issue isa result of the rules which were ironically, supposed generate more overtaking but now it's push-to-pass and racing incidents get a full judge and jury enquiry at The Hague.
There may be more overtaking but these days it's more inevitable than skill except for Hamilton and I don't rate even him as a driver.
Yoda on DMT F1 is about racing though, and being fastest... not about being a showcase of loud engines. You're missing the point of it.
F1 main problem a decade ago was the astonishing lack of overtaking and wheel to wheel action, but now its fixed thanks to the cars being much less aerodynamic dependent. V8 sounds were hugely overrated aswell... they sounded far weaker than a V10. And those sound weaker than a V12, and so on. But those huge engines are sadly becoming something from the past. They are not efficient nor light enough.
nixxxon18 They're pretty much as aero dependant as they always were.
The lack of overtaking was the domination of certain teams which is a problem that was, and always was going to be resolved naturally over time.
Up until around the death of Senna, there was plenty of action and racing. Since around the turn of the century, there's been less and less racing and more driving.
Yoda on DMT Wrong. Cars in the late 90's were becoming extremely aero dependent up to the point that in the early 00's it was almost impossible to overtake a car unless you were a hell of a lot faster or if the driver upfront made a mistake, because of all the turbulent air.
The 2009 regulations made the car lose lots of aero downforce and aero apendix, the car relied more on mechanical grip of the tyres and on the front end, and the rear wing was a lot smaller. In that way cars could follow each other behind much easily, and with the help of DRS, overtake more easily on the straights. It was a complete success.
that wasn't because of his father. he started driving F1 at 32 and was world champion once, winning a race with a jordan and reaching a podium with a footwork. He was strong and would be better if he started at 5 years old as happens this days. Sorry for my english.
What a great circuit Hockenheim was back in the day. Long fast straights!!
Once again something broke on the Williams, but at least it didn't kill Damon like it did Ayrton..shame on you Frank, now blame your driver..
Why would they ever change this circuit? The extremely fast and slow sections made for a real challenge, and made the circuit more unique compared to others.
The owners (old money grubbing farts) wanted to make more money, simple as that. It had nothing to do with Ecclestone or the FIA - Hockenheim had a conctract till 2003 with option for more 5 years.
Shorter track, more visitors to the track, more money for tickets, that was the plan.
+BLITZund DONNER damn and now a few days before the German gp I'm not excited to watch, the old track was amazing, tested the limits and endurance of the engine.
TilkeCrap - I'll use that for future, thanks :) I dont get why he is the only (re)contructor of courses for F1
At least they should have kept the long track for other events or just as an homage to the once great circuit. But they decided to waste even more money on tearing it down and re-foresting it...
It wasn't possible to keep one tiny little part of the old circuit. The agreement was to renature the old track. Without renaturation no new circuit.
Haha, I live in Finland and I haven't heard about Murray before I was like 15 years old and I must say that I love his commentary. :D
And the German crowd goes crazy after the first lap!
The 1995 Williams was by far the best all round car never to win the title.
Not sure about that…shit team though couldn’t figure a strategy out of a Mac Donald’s drive thru. The Benetton was an awesome car let’s not be silly Ross brawn was there Tom wilkinshaw and the 94 car was wiping the floor with senna and Williams so we shouldn’t jump to such conclusion.
i'm agree with you the old hockenheim was beautiful
@DarthSparhawk Yeah I agree, the Hill-haters usually forget 1996. You can't ignore 8 wins against someone as fast as Villeneuve. But 1995 was Hill's worst year, he said, "there were more downs than ups".
Silverstone was bad, he could have got that win, and he done brilliantly at Nurburgring getting round the outside of Schumacher until he cocked up, but the williams pit stops were also very long that year compared to Benetton. It's a shame so many people focus on 1995.
For those who are interested in real Formula 1 and technical aspect : if you look at 2:40 , 2:41 , you can see that the car was doing a slightly but still perceptible angle .
This is a :
- rear suspension failure or
- a driveshaft failure
Like what happened in Brazil 1995.
But Hill, with very little knowledge of F1 and very little sensitivity , was not capable of perceiving it .
the guy went into media saying that he do not understand what happened .
I remember having spotted the failure live.
And if I recall correctly, Prost who was commenting on the French TV also did spotted that .
Not surprising that a guy like Hill would go nonsense with his explanation at Tamburello.
If he was not Brit and was not the son of Graham, he would probably have never access F1 or at max, only as a pay driver for few GP at the back.
Mansell who got heavily, strongly been dominated by Elio De Angelis, has also strongly benefited from his nationality.
Like Germans after the economy of Japan get hit at the beginning of 90's .
Uncle E (Ecclestone) pushed strongly for Germans to replace Japan
i would say definitely mechanical error. it was a very sudden traction loss, so definitely something went wrong in the rear end. the fact that he hasn't turned in much yet means that it's not very likely to be a driver error.
@Speedy00 I've thought this for a while, it's probably due to parc ferme conditions that we have so many SC starts lately. They stopped morning warm-up, they stopped acclimatisation practice they cannot change the cars to a wet set up and no monsoon tyres. INMO this is why the SC has been used to start a race every year since 2007
2:36: If you notice, something goes off on Hill's tire, on the straight.
Technical issue. Clear as day.
IIRC it was a driveshaft issei's that basically locked his rear wheels.
2.41 - Look at the rear left wheel. It,s puncture or suspension failure
That driveshaft really is one of those stupid Williams dnf’s that year...
@zt2max Actually I think Hill´s mistakes came from being frustrated by those long stops...it was at Spain,when he tried to overtake Alesi during the stop but ended up many seconds behind him...that Monaco and a bad strategy..again in France,he needed to come in with Schumacher,but on that lap Coulthard was in...and at nurburgring 9,6s stop to Schumachers 6,6...and at Portugal,Hill stop took 16,5s...
I used to live close to this track and follow races there. To those wondering why they changed it? 44 laps only, long stretches w no stands. A purely economical decision. Unfortunately, the F1 races remained a loss for the owners because they still didn't make enough money to cover Ecclestone's fees and turn a profit after Schumi retired. Dong forget, a lot of races in Asia received huge government subsidies in the beginning and Ecclestone used those inflated rates to squeeze Silverstone, Hockenheim and other tracks.
I'm still pissed about the butchering they done...
good old wikipedia: Initially it was believed that Hill spun off due to oil laid down on the track from overfull oil tanks - as it is common practice for teams to fill the oil tanks prior to the start of the race. A few days after the race, however, the Williams team discovered that Hill's car had in fact suffered from a driveshaft failure leading to his accident.
Murray has to broadcast one last time in this modern F1
2:42 AND! =O OF GOES DAMON HILL OUT OF THE RACE! LOL Murray Walker.
And the focus required by a tilke track is even higher. Hockenheim has history, that I don't doubt. But the strain put on the drivers by the modern cars and tracks is absolutely phenomenal; you can't forget that tilke tracks require the driver to be under massive g loads for extended periods of time, while maintaining that high focus you mentioned. Now if we took the wings off the cars, the old track would become interesting again. Too much downforce nowadays, you think?
Regardless of the reason, this was another absolute gift for the Benetton team lol 😀😀😀😀😀
it seems we're both wrong then, the masell crash WAS in 87, when he was driving his last season for lotus, and yes your quite right it was 88 when he crashed in monaco. i appologise for having a few beers and not remembering the date :/ and for the record the crash in 87 was sennas fault, mansell tried to overtake on the outside and senna lost controll and spun into the side of him.
Rear brake bias, cool rear end and the first time approaching turn 1 at full pelt... And it's Damon...
I miss this track so much, but imagine the amount of possible DRS points now haha. I think there's at least 5 good DRS zones here.
What did they do to the beautiful old hockemheim? Actually a better question is why would they do that to the beautiful old hockenheim?
i was there with my dad when i was 10 years old, we were standing at this corner so i could took some pics of hills car, it was a great day for me =)
Murray's grief when Damon crashed or hit trouble sustained me. His bias for Hill and open dislike for Schumacher really ground my gears.
Utter nonsense Murray often spoke up for Schumacher when others in the british press slated him!!!!
Makes you wonder why there wasn't a 4 tier tyre barrier at Tamburello! 😔
Welll, there are certainly tracks that are really well done and that are designed by Tilke. Buddh International Circuit (the Indian Grand Prix) for example. That track is really fluid with many fast corners and high speed passages. It is a pleasure to drive and to watch, imho.
Yeah watching Schuey these last few seasons must have been painful , his stats are coming right down just like his driving etiquette LOL :P
i don't think that was a driving mistake. im not a hill fan but it's nearly impossible to lose it in that particular corner in such a way. unless he went down 1 gear too much and locked the rear wheels, but that would be really unusual in that corner
@pjc2 Especially the old Hockenheim circuit.
Wow this was a beautiful track
murray: "and off goes damon hill out of the race!", that's when hill crashes out of the race.
lol as the biggest fan of Senna you should know that this "Driver error" had another name called:"phsycological warfare". Jeremy Clarkson showed this @ Top Gear's Ayrton Senna Tribute because of Ayrton's 50th birthday. It's a really cool tribute, for those who don't know, you should check this. Another R.I.P to my/the biggest F1 Legend.
love the old Hockenheim
The car in front is a one of a kind Williams Renault apart from the one in third which is identical hahaha gotta love Murray
Woah the V12 in that Ferrari really did sing
god I miss the old Hockenheimring. I never understood why they completely removed this part of the track for the new one.
If you're going straight, it doesn't really matter how fast you're going. Now on the other hand, if the car is on the sharp edge of over/understeer (basically being in danger of spinning out) during a 120 mile an hour turn, that there my friend is excitement. Especially when you're trying to pass or getting passed by someone during the turn. All passes on straights involve are one driver simply driving by the other with no input to the controls. Top fuel dragsters are bonkers, though.
@sonntagsfahrerfan12
totally right, look at the crowd, the stands are full. In these days, the world was all right
@AlejjSi Yeah, I agree, I remember that year he had a lot of bad luck, long stops aswell as mistakes. i think he let Schumacher get to him psychologically. He was an otherwise good driver, if he had ignored Schumy he would have done okay. In '94 he didn't let MS get to him as much.
@MetalMachineManiac
when f1 and hockenheim was awesome!!!
Does anyone know whether this was a pure driving error or a mechanical failure? It looks to me like a suspension failure, or something similar?
I miss the old Hockenheim circuit
@tinysteelorchestra What cost him the 2007 drive was the fact he was asking for stupid amounts of money and Frank Williams didn't want to give it to him.
The only German Grand Prix Michael Schumacher won, back when Hockenheimring was a High-Speed Track.
Did he just make a mistake or was the car slightly broken, since it seemed a little nervous at times?
Driveshaft failure
And the 95 Williams was extremely nervous when you look at it again compared to the bennetton.
he had a great 1994, he carried the team so well after Imola, but was just outdriven in 1995, he never had Schumacher's speed. I always liked Damon much more though
You should be sorry about yourself, Schumi was not available for 4 races in 94 and Damon deliberately crashed Schumi in 95
@@f1pro299huh
Well, Murray was right: Hill stopped once. In the gravel trap.
does the car test itself?
Old hockenheim with nice slipstream racing.
Would be a disaster with the D.. word
Was this Pierluigi Martini's last F1 Race?
One of the weirdest crashes I've ever seen in F1. Hill just suddenly spinning off after such a dominant opening lap - no wet conditions or anything! PS I agree Hockenheim was great back then before it changed, I even went there once.
Mechanical error was the truth .
Driveshaft failure
Damon Hill did make some terrible errors in the second half of '95...but this one was, in fariness, later proved to be a rear suspension failure.
Of course, Hill had a very aggressive setup and was pushing on the limit.
Learn this. You don't get to drive the best car unless you're a good driver and have the ability. Like that guy said, developing a car into a winner is a quality some drivers have and others don't. Ferrari considered signing Hill in 1995 had they not been able to secure the services of Schumacher.
"He's managed to qualify...12 seconds off the pace" ahh the 90s when F1 was super competitive
(Yes I know Lavaggi was an Italian nobleman paying for his seat to allow Pacific to keep the lights on but it's still hilarious)
It was a constant in this year of 1995.
2:38 Hill, Schumacher, Coulthard...
and Damon Hill out of the race...
and Michael Schumacher takes the lead....😅😅😅😅😅😅
Very strange way to spin out on a dry track.
Looks like Damon had a sudden problem with his gearbox, brake, transmission or something like that.
Something that is blocking or a gearbox that shifts one gear further back than Damon planned by some technical failure.
That's quite a surprise, to happen right at the beginning of the second lap.
Driveshafts can break at any time.
I miss the 90,s..!
Yeah, something definately broke on Hill's car from the looks of things.
Was this a clear rivalisation? I don't think so.
during practice there were some errors, but I can't remember at least in any kind of situation compared to this here..
no problem thanks for your kind comment
What's the EXACT name of this track?
You can clearly see something happens to the rear left and the car's arse immediately comes around!
@blainyrules he didn't want it bad enough.
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have you ever seen his interviews? schumi wanted it. hill hoped for it. that's why the schumacher got 7 championships--are you gonna say he cheated for all 7?
This looks same as 2004 german gp, only the rear wing came off kimi's car.
Was a legendary race track... Is an abandoned ruins with trees, bushes and grass all over it... Sad.. very sad
HILL.. SCHUMACHER... then the rest of them, lol gotta love walker.
"...Jordan, Jordan, Mikka Hakkinen" LOL
Old Hockenheim best circuit ever
Proper car's proper track proper gravel traps proper formula 1
Is this the race damon hill fall,s off on the 2nd lap..?? At least it makes a change for martin brundle..!!
@zt2max Time has passed, now I have fond memories of almost all drivers. Hatred seems petty after so many years... :-)