Nepo crumbled on game 12 lost. Devastated. Hard to watch
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ian speedrunning 5 stages of grief in 10 mins
Hess said it the best. Painfull to watch
Ding handled the situation well. Sat politely, let Ian have his moment. Very respectful.
I don't understand, what else could've he done? It's not like he can complain or anything even if he wanted to, Ian can use his time how he wants and if Ian needs his moment before resigning, he HAS to wait. The only thing that can be called respectful is that he stayed at the table instead of leaving but at the same time someone could say he didn't leave because he expected Ian to resign, in which case you couldn't call it respectful. He just normally waited for Ian's move, the only thing he can do, nothing more he could've done.
@@Snoowfy Ding is respectful, relatively. Concentrating on the game instead of being overwhelmed by undue emotions is in itself respectful. I don't know if Ding for once threw tantrum for his blunders leading to some loss in the championship. He's a wholesome quiet guy.
@@user-sx2we1xe5q That is understandable but I think that's more about mental fortitude than respect. Nepomniachtchi in the classical portion of Chess is on par if not slightly better than Ding but, he is too emotional of a person to be a champion. He is too emotional for a chess player in general. That's why he reacts like that. Ian simply lacks discipline. I guess that's more of a personal view but mental strength in itself is relative to the person and has nothing to do with respect.
Also, try to see it from Ding's prospective, if you see your opponent break down like this, besides feeling sorry for him, you feel confident because his reaction confirms you that you're indeed winning like you think. This will surely improve your confidence and make it easier for you to sat politely and just wait for the opponent to make his move without much worry.
Idk maybe it's just me, but I'm saying that the original comment about him being very respectful doesn't really apply to this situation in particular.
Indeed, Ding could have stripped and danced on the table, could be singing, could be calling Ian names. Instead, he is just sitting there and waiting for resigns like a boss!
@@Snoowfyhe kept his head down, not making any eye contact, not showing the slightest sign of happiness,relieve,relax or being entertained , or impatience or anything. Ding is known to be super calm, polite and humble, I think this situation shows it well.
Game 12, an unintended coverage poem:
"Ian Nepomniatchi, feeling the heat
Ding Liren, in driving seat"
Losing a final is always sad, but losing after this has to be terrible
The psychology of blunders in chess should be studied more.
It isn't only relevant in the context of chess. Chess essentially tests how human brain works when faced with very abstract, distilled problems (which makes it ideal for studying actually), and I believe it uncovers some syndromes that probably tell us important things about our problem-solving limitations, tunnel vision, the psychology of stress etc.
Eg. how come you can calculate a move for 10 minutes sometimes, and not see a refutation, then make the move and see it immediately. Sometimes as soon as you're letting go of the piece you just moved. This effect seems to occur regardless of chess level (only adjusting for the relative triviality of the refutation); even grandmasters are clearly not immune.
There's already the famous "Kotov syndrome" described in chess literature (basically when players can't decide between two difficult moves, they tend to lash out and make a third one, which happens to be actually the worst option), but it's essentially anecdotal, and it seems like great material for proper research.
that would be so cool to watch
poor napo, most of the people are supporting Ding, he needs some support too.
IAN has to work on his physical fitness. Fitness will help in mental strength also.
yea man, i felt his pain in my gut. this is a life work for these guy,the pressure is like nothing I've experienced and all that in front of the world.. and people jumping on hype trains and hate trains without any regard for fellow human.. respect to you my man,for having empathy..
@@slanigrad respect to you for respecting OP for showing empathy
there is support for nepo too ,,
I think Nepo will get more symphaty now
We are only humans ! We are not chess engines !
Carlsen disagree.
@@danielszczypka6977 Rubbish. Carlsen will never beat a top chess engine. No human will. You know nothing about chess. He makes plenty of errors, just less than other humans. Doesn’t make his play remotely close to a top engine.
@@gruntgobshite i don't think he meant it in literal sense, although the internet is so flooded with Carlsen's fans (who indeed know net next to nothing about chess and mostly post stuff like "Carlson can demolish eVeRyOnE") that it's hard to say sometimes
It is heartbreaking to watch a person just realizing the inevitability of a situation, realizing that the point of no return has just been passed and there is nothing more they can do. Not all people are aware that their perceptions never quite match reality, and realizing too late that you didn't understand something and from now on forever having to live with the unintended consequences is the absolutely cruelest way to become aware of that difference.
More painful than Ding got bluffed by Nepo's Queen on previous game (forgot which the game)..
Game 8.
Man you can really feel how much nepo wants that title. I hope he gets it one day
This game was the reason for ians loss of the tournament. It breaks him mentally
Yeah
Can't believe how Nepo makes a move and instantly regrets it. It's like he was just thinking about it in his head and his hands moved the piece while he's not decided if he should move it or not.
"Is this Ian on tilt?" Made me smile lol
So cringe when ppl say that sh
As funny as it is, I don't think she understands the meaning of tilt. It's when players become frustrated due to a string of losses, which is not the case here. Nepo was winning the overall match and the computer shows that they were about even in position in this particular game.
she dont know what the word means lol
@@cw9282 that is what tilt is ,, when a number of blunders lost him a winning position ,,
tania makes me smile
Very hard to watch 💔
Caruana's voice is just soothing for a time like this.
Really tough on Ian
Man i really feel for Nepo
@@mosesabunike2055
Chess is beautiful, but cruel at the same time 😓
Tania...is something else 😂😂😂😂😂
That blunder cost him dearly.
Cost him world championship
@@StupidChess yeah, this was the decisive moment in a way. it was the worst, the most AVOIDABLE of his blunders, i'd say. tiebreaks are indeed somewhat more random (which is not to take away from Ding's applaudable finish), but there were serious chances for the match to never get into those tiebreaks in the first place.
Chess is so beautiful yet so brutal as well
I like this match, it is entertaining to see all those blunders.
Nepo probably thought the white bishop was still blocking the rook. He was already thinking f5 a few moves back
His name is Nepomniachtchi
Nepo maniac with itchy hands, handing the game to his opponent😊.
Nepo back in old shape.
Tania is just...
"Drops a third pawn!" Clearly has no idea why Rxe6 is instant winning. She would be less annoying if she let her commentators explain first before trying to hype things up.
actually with top engine moves after rxe6 it will come to white having a lot of pawns ,,
Ruins every commentary, so cringe to watch
@@harshkumarf4379 if you analyse engine lines to sufficient depth the advantage almost always turns out to be pawns. No GM is looking at this F5 move and thinking, oh Nepo dropped another pawn, no their reaction is that this is just completely lost because there's 0 compensation and counter play. You need to play with engine precision just to LOSE ON PAWNS.
the point is that it's the ONLY tangible outcome of the move, and this already demonstrates why it's losing
So you're criticizing her for stating a fact? 😂 okay
This is the inverse of game 7
It seems that Ian's game plan is to pressure the opponent on time instead of making and taking his time in calculating good moves..
İn chess this is just called chess blindness. He calculated for so long that he misses the most simple mistake
@@ozanozenir2503 sometimes a player can get so entangled in calculating very deep and complex variations that they actually miss something very trivial... which would have invalidated their calculations to begin with
but there's this psychological "too much invested to quit" effect - once you've spent a lot of energy on calculations, you sort of become emotionally attached to this product of your work, and your subsconsciousness starts to block out whatever could prove this work useless (because, apparently, it must of great value to you).
this is of course just a hypothesis, but that's how i imagine it works underneath (or at least one of possible ways)
i think it was Jonathan Rowson who once said that a crucial part of the fun (and the torture) of chess is that it forces the brain to perform tasks that it wasn't generally designed for
chess is like hammering square pegs into round holes
even the geometry of the chessboard is non-intuitive, because (long-range) pieces effectively move at lightspeed - for a queen, rook or bishop there's no difference between travelling through 7 squares and just 1 square, it can happen in a single move regardless
or a diagonal - unlike in real life - isn't actually longer than the side of a square (it's still a single move), and on the other hand zig-zagging doesn't necessarily slow you down: this often comes up in king & pawn endgames, when the correct trajectory for your king isn't the straight line - because it's important to block some squares while heading towards the destination, while reaching this destination still takes the same amount of moves, surprisingly
in this sense chess isn't really a battle against your opponent's rooks, knights and bishops, or even your opponent's brain at the end, but more against all the mechanisms of your own brain that aren't pure logic, which have to be shut down (and whatever is called instinct or intuition must also be subjugated and confined to only serve pure logic).
and that's where the difficulty lies, because you can't just shut them down.
it's like processes or services in an operating system that keep on restarting by themselves over and over, often hiding themselves in the background
This will haunt nepo for years, Nepo made Ding "The World champion"
As sad as this is, I think it's also predictable. Nepo is a massive chess talent, but he is prone to losing his self-discipline during the critical stages of chess matches and making unsound chess moves. When he was playing Magnus Carlson for the world chess championship back in 2021, what was striking was not that he lost, but the way in which he lost. Fabiano Caruana lost to Carlson too, but he was a disciplined enough player that he drew all his classical matches with Carlson. By contrast, Nepo lost four classical games against Magnus Carlson because he just wasn't as disciplined as Caruana. The indiscipline is apparent in this game too. Nepo was up against a weaker opponent than Magnus Carlson and yet he still surrendered the lead multiple times during the classical game format, with game 12 being the last occasion.
The moment he lost the match (psychologically)
Hey possible unpopular comment upcoming: this is another example of how having an artificial and superficial gender balance completely ruins what should be a very enjoyable event. She is completely outclassed by her male - but much importantly - GM level co-commentators and she is on the show just because she's a woman. Her 'analysis' is childlike compared to Caruana and Hess and honestly I feel bad for her. She showed no compassion for Ian - who is operating at a level she can't and probably will never reach - when Fabi and Robert showed great compassion. And of course her wittering, high pitched voice really doesn't help matters. Fabi's voice isn't strong either but what he's saying carries so much more weight. This ruinous gender pointlessness is happening in many sports and games and it's a real shame.
I think she knows her role here, despite being designated as commentator, as primarily more of an announcer.
But it is also unfair to her, although I am cringing to that “childlike analysis” (more like a repetition) sometimes, that you are making a big deal about her announcing Nepo’s blunder. In 2021 World Chess Championship, Anish also made a similar (or even worse) remark on Nepo’s blunder.
@@oats9755 i understand some of what you are saying, other parts aren't so clear. There isn't a super GM or at least a GM who can play the role of announcer? I think Hess is superb. They really don't need three people.
You're repetition comment made no sense to me but you are completely missing my point with your Giri comment. He gets to say whatever he wants because he's a super GM. This woman is playing catchup from the early middlegame onwards most times. Giri actually understands whats happening and sometimes even sees something the players don't. It's not a useful comparison. To reiterate (or repeat) whichever you wish: she is on the show because she is a woman, she can't do her job very well and the product suffers because of this. Not a complex point.
I don't grasp why "affirmative action" is the thing you immedately jump to here. If you think she's ruining the commentary because she's not as knowledgeable as her co-commentators then that's perfectly fine, but there's no evidence anywhere that she's here explicitly and exclusively because she's a woman. Not to mention she's an IM commentating with two GMs - of course she's not going to sound as experienced as them. Gender's got nothing to do with it. If anything it feels like you're just airing out a personal grievance here.
I think in a chess game she would probably kick your ass... She's a GM as well, if I am not wrong.
I loved her commentary.
@mrnono5034 She's an IM. It says it in front of her name.
Poor nepo, Tania was mad at him
This is right. She did not need to be.
@@truberthefighter9256 she was emotional, its normal…
@@Medsas nah bro Fabi and hess are human too but they had more restraint and empathy
Especially Fabi considering he's been on that position before
Without Engine, Tania wouldn't even know that Ian blundered. She is just a motormouth. Her commentary is awful.
Lol
What's your rating and title?
The World Championship without Magnus this time doesn't really feel like the World Championship 😢
because the good thing would be 14 draws, right?
@@marcosclaudio1729 depends on who you ask. I rather like it when games are played perfectly. I don't understand what the problem is with that.
@@marcosclaudio1729 Magnus would have punished those blunders from Nepo and crushed him like he did last time. We got 12 draws when he played against Caruana, because Caruana was almost at Carlsens level back then.
this is way more fun
Magnus chickened out, he wanted to be GOAT...a real sportsmanship is different..
The winner of the 2023 World Championship will play Magnus Carlsen in a millions dollar challenge !
Magnus Not Interested In Amateur Chess.
Why is the Russian flag being obscured? Don't tell me it's because of Ukraine, because if so, why isn't the American flag obscured for Iraq?
Because some countries are more equal than others, utter hypocrisy
So you understand that it is wrong for Russia to invade Ukraine, just as it was wrong for US to invade Iraq?
if only there was some difference between Hussein and Zelenskyy
1:25 Hess: If you play f5....
Robert jinxed Nepo.
That’s a bit harsh.
I have no ideas about this kind of move how can play from a GM???????! Such a poor move, QE7 is a good move here I see. I look at this situation long time and then find this move😅
Hess and Fabi are both much better players and much more compassionate to Ians plight. Tania acting outraged and bewildered as to why Ian blundered when Hess literally said seconds ago that blacks plan were less intuitive to find. Ridiculous. Even Anish who was disgusted by Ians blunder against magnus didnt go so far as to say that the entire match had been thrown away as a result or imply that ian was unworthy to play for world champion. And her following up with OH NO HES LOST ANOTHER PAWN as if Hess and Fabi didnt just outline a massive attack on the black king and a refutation of blacks attack. Tbh im sure if even gotham chess could do what Fabi, hess and naroditsky offer in terms of insight and explanation they way they do in real time for games of this calbre
Tania obviously did not have any ill will towards Ian. She's just a more exciting commentator who does a good job drawing in regular viewers and chess novices. Yes, you can say that as a master or above chess player you'd rather ignore that type of commentary because you think it's not necessary, but it is undeniable that those types of energetic commentators are in great demand in all manner of sports. I think it's good that she adds some level of excitement to the game commentary.
Nepo always blunders
Ian looks like a Tim and Eric sketch in this.
I love Tania, chess. Needs women voices in this kind of shows. But perhaps she could made silence during Nepom suffering.
it is humiliating that Nepo is not allowed to have his national flag at the table
no
To you or to Nepo? Frankly i feels chess players should not represent their countries. And ding shouldn't have a Chinese flag, and nobody should have any flags unless it's chess Olympiad. I am just voicing my opinions i couldn't care less about flags Frankly.
Ask Putin to stop destroying other countries and the flag magically reappears..
It's not. People with this same flag have killed and murdered thousands and tens of thousands of adults and children.
That doesn't make any difference to him. This is to determine the best individual chess player in the world, it has nothing to do with countries. But if we really want to blame someone for Russian players not being able to display Russia's flag, we could blame a well-known individual whose name starts with a P.
matchfixing.
Ian problem is overconfidence, that's why we moves fast when we should not
i don't think it's confidence. it seems like more of psychological reaction to high pressure - he can't resist the temptation to try and find a shortcut when he feels uncomfortable. and if this shortcut doesn't exist (as it often happens), every now and then Ian hallucinates one out, because his mind needs it so badly
Whoever put *GAME 6* on the screen at 6:13 is a cold, cold person.
Why?
@@frix8826 2021 Chess Championship Game 6 Ian vs Magnus. Longest game in a world championship match ever. Ian drew games 1-5, game 6 he loses in the end game in a match that took nearly 8 hours. After game 6 he lost 3 more games (including 2 with white). It's counted as the game that basically broke him in 2021.
Saying "GAME 6" now is basically implying that Ian is going to crumble and lose the chess championship.
@@revilconn he did
Hard watch ❌️ Hard while watching ✅️
😢
her voice ugh
not just that, she contributed ZERO analysis in the whole commentary. Not sure how but she ended up talking the most during the match without actually saying anything
@@catherinesmith950 I usually skip videos she is in.
if you're in for pretty voices (by whatever standards speak to you), i recommend "America's Got Talent"
Magnus would stomp these guys!
would have, could have - didn't