Iran and Israel are dividing UK politics | The New Statesman podcast
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- The Israel war is dividing Conservatives - with Rishi Sunak and David Cameron taking very different positions.
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Escalations in the conflict between Iran and Israel are creating tensions between the Prime Minister and the Foreign Secretary. Israel has now retaliated with missile strikes for a violent attack by Iran, itself in retaliation for Israel's bombing of the Iranian consulate in Damascus.
George Eaton joins Anoosh Chakelian and Freddie Hayward on the New Statesman podcast to explain the two camps within the Conservative party and to explore how a difference of opinion over the Iran-Israel tensions is impacting British foreign and defence policy.
Read George's report on the new Tory divide over Israel: www.newstatesman.com/politics...
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Finally worked out that " divercity " is not a good thing?...
What do you mean, the end? That happened four years ago when Trump betrayed our nuclear secrets to Russia. Since then, an allied Head of State has been shot and deposed, and Sleepy Joe's let him get away with it.
The prime minister in England should not of brought David Cameron back into the cabinet, David Cameron brought a vote which was unnecessary to come out of Europe, David Cameron also cut the benefit system made many people homeless and the prisons are almost completely full up now.
Kinda weird that the RAF didn't help out Iran's anti-air defences if our stance is actually "de-escalation." Seems an awful lot like we're picking a side and wouldn't mind if Israel started turning Iran into a bigger Gaza
Yeah, weird how Iran isn't very popular in the west... I wonder if it has anything to do with attacking western shipping, regularly calling for the destruction of the "west" and its replacement with a shia theocracy, its funding of pretty much every terrorist group under the sun as long as they kill westerners etc.
Really, its hard to imagine why Iran isnt popular lol.
I really think we'll see a rise in support for independent candidates come the next election. Labour and the Tories have both proven themselves unworthy of my vote.
Reform UK
If Israel has a right. Iran has a right. Cameron tallk's of what Iran sent Israels way with prior notice. Yet he has nothing to say on what Israel has dropped on the people of Gazza. Hypocrites.
Lol what?
Gaza, with Iranian support, invaded Israel and raped and murdered over a thousand people, kidnapping hundreds more. Thats a declaration of war mate.
Gaza started a war, and now refuses to surrender and return the hostages, because a majority of Palestinians believe they're winning the war, so why stop fighting?
Iran on the other hand had a general assasinated - a general who proudly talked about supporting Gaza to attack Israel.
On what possible universe are these equivalent?
Hamas, supported by Iran, attacked Israel. If Iran has a right Israel has a right. Anyway, self-defense is more like a duty than a right.
Big hypocrites !
Iran started this
Iranian regime s illegitimate, so they have a right to nothing. Israel is a legitimate democracy, so has full right to self defence form criminal illegitimate ayatollah regime in Iran
Cameron! Gat this failed PM out of our politics! He’s not up to the job!
The labour members and left-wing voters position on Gaza & also defence spending is one thing
Keir Starmer and cronies position is another, entirely different thing.
The weird thing about "conservatism" today is how international it has become. British conservatism in the past was much more unique to Britain, as conservatism should be because it's an instinct more than an ideology which has its place in different cultures and countries. However, you've got some on the right of the Tories today that just go along with international conservative "fashions" that often come from the US and then become part of the culture war via the internet. So the being incredibly pro Israel trend, to the point that no criticism is allowed, clearly comes from a subsection of the evangelical right in the US. But that mindset has spread and spread to the point that you've got Marine Le Pen in France being very pro Israel despite antisemitism traditionally being part of the French far right. The rise of the muslim population in the West, and especially Europe, has made Islamic culture the new main enemy and so the right naturally feel more sympathy for jews and Israel over muslims and muslim culture.
But it's amazing how so much of politics is basically like teenagers in school just wanting to join in with their friends rather than thinking critically about each issue for themselves. I would say some of the trans stuff was similar, with some people refusing to critically examine what was going on because they just didn't want to look like one of the bad guys to their progressive friends. Social media makes this all worse.
Nailed it, and of course, as ever the first rule is 'blame others for what you do yourself' followed by, 'creating a bogeyman is essential'.
Try starting with the actions of Hamas rather than European cultural change.
@@jonathandnicholson You can support Israel without being ideological about it. And some on the right are ideological about it. It's why Trump moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem. Simply to please the evangelicals that have weird Christian notions about the second coming of Christ and the need for a temple in Jerusalem for that to happen.
@@khar12d8 Oh, so not all support of Israel is to do with Islam or cultural change in Europe. Also, a lot of Christians (regardless of denomination), Jews and Muslims believe in the Second/First/Second Coming (respectively) of the Messiah. Go read a book. Nor did I realise supporting Israel in the face of Hamas was ideological.
Many years ago I was a8r regular reader of the New Statesman. It was a an excellent political publication. Now it is best described as bland. Young correspondents with no real fire in their bellies. To say British politics is divided is ludicrous. For the first time I see the government and the opposition indistinguishable from each other. They both support and applaud the genocide in GAZA. They give support to Israel who are by any standards are practicing Na 14:45 14:45 14:45 ziism. To advocate increased war spending is ridiculous. Our country is on its knees. Millions in poverty Our health service is in crisis. All.public services are the same. We need public spending on a colloidal scale. Starmer.and Reeves lie through their teeth. ⁸ about lack of.money. There is all the money needed. Richard Murphy has set out a method of raising it by logical means. Labour was created to serve working people. Every membership card says it is democratic socialist. The New Statesman should urge Starmer to ditch neoliberalism. It is the road to Fascism
Tories get their instructions on global affairs from the Pentagon anyway, so it's not complicated at all.😊
'Divided' between those politicians who are funded by or have direct business inks to Israel (most of the Tory and Labour front benches) and those who don't.
Funded by Qatar? Or just threatened by losing Qatari gas? Qatar has threatened to cut gas to Europe if they support Israel. Europeans shut up straight away
Certainly dividing Labour.
If Israel upped sticks and relocated, would this be enough?
15:20 “Unlocking securonomics on the global stage”
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We should stay out of it altogether
A tad late for that.
Tell that to the Tory and Labour Politicians trousering Israeli lobbyimg cash. It looks like 10 grand for 'office expenses' will buy 3 Days RAF support and weapons. Not a bad deal for these Honorable people.
Islamist appeaser. Democracies must stand together against autocracies and dictatorships. United we stand, divided we fall
@@davidcooks2379it’s about standing together Israel is using you they have got rich out of your ignorance. If they are your real allies why did they not join you in Iraq Afghan wars because they don’t care all they do is take your money and laugh at you 😂
@@davidcooks2379 we saw how your democracy work In Un 1 vs 12
The 1 wins casue it has more nuks then others. Yup very democratic.
Again the UK shamed itself and showed itself for the Coward that it is by abstaining on the UNSC vote to recognise Palestinian Statehood.
Ted Heath - imposed arms embargo on both parties October 1973
Oil embargo : October 1973 - March 1974
I would guess Heath was trying to head off the oil embargo
While everyone makes a living by talking about the horror that 8s Gaza The killing of innocents still carries on 💔😢
Once the UK government solves the problems in the Middle East then the UK government will solve one or two problems in the UK. Maybe.
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Usually I give a positive review. I think in this episode you are not critical enough of the two main parties. You are just repeating the obvious & what most people already are aware of. You need to bring a critical line of the status quo, like what you do in your other episodes. Thank you.
Was there any analysis in this discussion re Labours position on Iran/ Iraq? No. This was essentially about the governments total inability to influence events in the Middle East. And it’s overall shameful support for Israel’s attack on Iran and the genocide in Gaza. They should hold their head in shame.
Think that's bad?, wait until the radicalised Zionist Starmer slithers into No10, the middle east will be in chaos with his bigotry writ large on an international scale. Expect British Military bases in Israel. As a Socialist, the thought of him gaining power is a terrifying prospect.
I dislike David Cameron and everything he stands for, but I have reluctantly to acknowledge that he is probably the most competent of all the government ministers (including the PM). But can he save the Tories’ reputation? I doubt it.
There are no good guys in the present conflict.
Israel are the good guys. Unless you are Islamist or Hamas sympathiser in which case you probably favour some of the bad guys, like Iran, Hamas, Qataris, Houthis
Maybe
Adding a labour/tory "friends of Iran" may even up them fundermental western scales ⚖ that being a democratically fair nation we are! Seemingly
Once again the Lard Cameron has projected, at great public expense, the total impotence of the UK on the global stage. His role, as a failed tory PM, is to go through the motions of ForSec to prop up the latest failed tory PM, Sunak. Or more appropriately, Sunk.
So diverce that we cannot do anything anymore...😂😂😂
I had a big expectation from David Cameron to ideal with this problem but every time he takes repeated October the 7 important to be in Israel support it bla bla like a robot Common
keep your progression goals in england..thanks - when David lamy talked about reality, he was out of it!!! LSD, THC, coke, crack who knows
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Gaza, hello?
Doesn't exist any more. A parking lot. A resort
Cameron is islamist appeaser
SUNI SAID WE ARE AS POWERFUL AND SMART AS OUR TERRITOY OF AMERICA. WE AS ALI SAID ARE THE GREATES. DAM EVEN I AM SICK AT SAYING BS LIKE THIS.