Level1 Ramble: Google Limiting Private API Use On Chromium?
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Yes. More content on the Linux channel is much appreciated.
Hear hear.
@@Whipster-Old I second this sentiment.
Oye, 😁👍 Oye
this :)
indeed
The Login menu in Chromium was totally unintended, right.
Completely unintentional. Promise.
Is it possible to integrate a browser sync with the obey protocol? If not is there anybody out there willing to develop that?
We must continually aim for software which is-in order of priority-not proprietary, available to self-host, not centralised and minimalist/modular/extensible/interoperable.
I really like Nextcloud DAV, Evolution, and DAVx5 this way.
You forgot usable..
Patience, it will improve.
@@esbjornssonjesper1797
Even 3 months later I love to point you to the announcement on Aug 25, 1991 of a hobby software project, by it's author qualified as "NOT protable" that until now has run on almost all compute devices developed since then. A big chunk of the world population uses it right now just in it's Android manifestation.
"Hello everybody out there using minix -
I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and
professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones. This has been brewing
since april, and is starting to get ready. I'd like any feedback on
things people like/dislike in minix, as my OS resembles it somewhat
(same physical layout of the file-system (due to practical reasons)
among other things).
I've currently ported bash(1.08) and gcc(1.40), and things seem to work.
This implies that I'll get something practical within a few months, and
I'd like to know what features most people would want. Any suggestions
are welcome, but I won't promise I'll implement them :-)
Linus (torv...@kruuna.helsinki.fi)
PS. Yes - it's free of any minix code, and it has a multi-threaded fs.
It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never
will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all I have :-(. ''
Then there also once was that theoretical concept of a coherent light source called a laser, totally useless for any practical purpose if realizable at all. Now anyone in the world will be within feet of a laser-device.
Paperclips and staples are bend pieces of wire that changed the world. Open minded inventors have a vision way beyond the narrow minded nay Sayers that dwell in their insistence to not even try and thus always fail .
I love those "random bozo on the internet rambling about stuff" that you do. Those are different and give us an other perspective on what is going on.
We fixed the "glitch".
Any computational videos are incredible. I’m behind in the computer scene, it’s always refreshing to see up and coming ideas on tech & what they’re up to.
After I read this, the first thought that came to mind was "good riddance", but most news sources reported on it as if it was a bad thing, or google is destroying chromium... I don't see chromium as something that should be dependent on google's api services.
Do more of this Wendell, we very much welcome it! :D
Do them more often, there is benefit to spreading info to people. Even if they have to ask a friend to understand
More Linux videos! :D Remember to put a link to the forum posts in the future.
lmao wendell you aren't just some bozo, you are infinitely more moral in life and capable in your discipline than nearly everyone else out there.
He needs to be interviewed by Lex Fridman
@@skypickle29 I hope if Wendell goes on the show, they get to talk about things other than elon musk and simulations.
7:27 Was very confused about what a kernel solver had to do with chromium ;)
Thanks for this reasonable-length summary, Wendell!
Vivaldi has profile sync, just FYI. and much more other nice power user features ;)
1:08 Nice Office Space reference
thats the problem of 21st century: nobody wants to make the best product possible, everybody is making the worst product that people are still willing to use.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention! I wasn't aware of this change until now and it really is a good thing that they're putting those features behind an API wall.
Can't wait for the next L1T.Linux video. :)
More content is good!
We don't mind the more "raw footage" approach, if it is easier to shoot and get posted.
we really miss your content here dear windell, i hope we can see more from you here
@0:11 Did anyone else get flashbacks to Gran Turismo 5 oil changes?
The chrome binary being available in deb and rpm formats which given how small linux desktop usage is, covers enough of the slice of pie in Google's eyes I think, and gives them full control. Distributions which don't use deb or rpm formats are a tiny slice of the the already tiny slice of pie that is desktop linux. They probably are okay with it. It was always strange to me how the API keys were semi-required for a functional build of chromium, in addition, those keys had increased quota limits given from the Google Team themselves to various distros to be sufficient for the number of users. Which in turn meant that small distros were out of luck or had to steal some API keys if they wanted a chromium build of their own which featured sync support. Chromium was always notoriously difficult to maintain with patches required _every_ release as well as from the trying to enforce the use of system libraries instead of using the bundled libs meant that chromium builds could very rarely match the chrome binary in terms of features.
Regardless savvy users can still run `strings` on the chrome binary to 'steal' the API keys and pass them to chromium as a environmental variables to restore full functionality... for now at least. Or, they can use the chrome binary, or just ditch google as much as possible.
Would really appreciate more stuff like this. You're a bozo who has the knowledge and ability to concisely explain all if these important things.
It's so cute that he thinks management will be able to identify AND care about stupid management decisions at
more of these kinds of videos needed for sure
I'm so glad I switched to Firefox about 1,5 years ago! It was a bit of a transition, but after I had sorted out all of my add-ons, gotten over the slight sluggishness when navigating from page to page (I'm sad to admit Chrome is indeed faster than Firefox. The difference is not huge, but it is definitely noticable) and after I had gotten used to the ridiculous amount of frequently occuring "unintended" side effects, bugs, glitches and slowdowns when using Google Services through Firefox I was really glad that I'd made the switch. By the way, did you know that Google forces a suboptimal and purposefully degraded experience onto users of non chromium based browsers users (a.k.a. Firefox users) when accessing Google Services? Try using an add-on to masquerade your Firefox browser Firefox as if it were Chrome (by swapping the useragent) and the difference in both speed and functionality is astonishing. And then they have the balls to constantly bombard you with "Using Chrome offers a better web browsing experience, especially when using Google Services" toast notifications with an included download prompt for Chrome! Duh. If you purposefully force a sub-par experience along with numerous artificial restrictions onto Firefox users then of course your own product (free from any of your afteficial restrictions) will offer a vastly superior experience! This kind of childish behavior makes me so mad. Fuck u google!
how to do what you explained above about changing user agent to chrome ?
I am new to manjaro still dualbooting untill I can reliably switch without having to go back to windows.
how to do what you explained above about changing user agent to chrome ?
I am new to manjaro still dualbooting untill I can reliably switch without having to go back to windows.
On Friday news you question why would people use a TikTok knock off; mentioned during reporting a merge of companies. Here, you mention a browser knock off that I never heard of before and imply it's great. This is why two TikTok replicants exist and people use them. Someone with some knowledge said "this is great" and people go to it. Funny seeing it come out of both sides of your channel. Love your work though!
Talk about what ever you want Wendell, I know most of us would click the video and listen to you read us the bible. Besides it's always good to hear from an intelligent person there thoughts and opinions on things.
It doesn't matter if "you're just some random bozo on the internet", Wendell. You're OUR random bozo and we'll listen to your take because we trust that your point of view will help us see things better.
If it's not too much trouble on your end (and this video length was pretty good), I think more videos like this would be great.
Do more of this. Ridicule the ridiculous, it drives interest and interest drives change
I just rewatched Office Space the day before you posted this!
Love to see more content over here; be them rants, or in-depth content -empty thine brain, Wendell!
Keep it up. 🍻
Several months before this.. those same guys inside of Google also completely crippled the APIs for accessing youtube. So now the kodi youtube open source plugin for that has become unusable. they kept making it harder and harder to use the api, until finally you need like 3 different api logins to access just basic stuff in your youtube account. And the process of obtaining those logins was intentionally made obfuscated and extremely difficult. Not only that, there were also many such rate limiting warning messages, and also the api tokens would randomly and mysteriously stop working. And you would go back into the api dash board and all would look completely fine. But they make you delete the bjorked project, and do it all over again. Finally most recently the basically took away one of the most essential apis, for getting your subscriptions feed. So now the 'final hack" to do that takes minutes and minutes to refresh the page. It is now faster to manually click on each new video seperately in the web browser, and use the 'download to kodi' browser plugin. Well done google, you can pat yourself on the back for inflicting all that pain onto your users. But I still don't actually have to watch your ads. So it was all for nothing. This is all because google's real customers are it's corporate advertisers, not its viewers.
any chromium based browser contributes to google's dominance over The Web, so... it's not really that great even if it doesn't send your data to google
Chromium may be open source but it's an utter nightmare to look through. The build system is hideous. It amazes me that they are still using Python, I hope there are plans to make it simpler...
@Deep Throat the build system is python. The browser isn't python.
@Deep Throat They're using C++ mostly, but the build system uses Python, as Alex mentioned, and a few other programs.
Use a password file and gpg. done no need for sync ever again
I fully trust your guidance , because you solder chips onto DIMMS :D
First question right off the bat was how much of this is about the Aus/UK news payment issues? Are the plug ins leaving Google on the hook for the payments even though not their source codes?
@7:27 that's the wrong Falkon repo there bud
should be github.com/KDE/falkon
not github.com/FalkonML/falkon
"You don't know where exactly Mozilla will take Firefox"
Because with Google you are certain about the future of the browser. And for all the Google services, in general.
Do more rambling content, PLEASE. 🙏
And this is why I use Firefox and its forks, despite the Mozilla CEO being a complete nutjob.
Google is ridiculously naive.
Mozilla became SJW central some time ago. That means it's now about status and politics instead of principles and value.
*thats "google can buy some of the smartest people in the world"
For every 1 good product/decision they make, they make 20 blunders. Someone at google has been reading too much self-help/startup books instead of engineering and finance books.
Would you recommend primarily using Falkon in regards to privacy? I recently switched from Firefox to Brave.
I share Wendell's reservations about the Mozilla Foundation, their long term independence, and viability (besides financials, their management has been very poor). That said, the FF project is probably the most privacy respecting browser out there, but not in the default setup. For example, fingerprint resistance has been built into FF for a few years, but you have to enable it. It used to be through an about:config toggle (privacy.resistFingerprinting), but I think the latest releases expose many of these in menus. And probably the most powerful tool is container tabs, it is an Internet user's most powerful tool against tracking. It allows you to effectively "manage" your online identities, and ensure they remain separate (or unlinked). Unfortunately, the default setup doesn't make it easy to use; which is of course easily rectified with a couple of add-ons (Temporary Containers and Firefox Multi-Account Containers).
2:36 did someone on the L1 team inadvertently leak their email?
Just as a tip for those migrating away from chromium:
cat .config/chromium/Default/Bookmarks | jq
Yes, it's literately syncing a single JSON. Makes it easy to migrate away from, and also implement your own sync.
xbrowsersync works with any chromium browser as well as FF and you can even host your own server or a public server for everyone to use.
I think they're having issues with their TPS reports. Must not have gotten the memo.
Watching this after the acid was a journey.
I'm going donate one other browsers that don't use google engine to run + Firefox. I know how people feel about Firefox, but thats the only one can stop google atm from a full take over.
Give us more wendell talk! :D
I think you are right.
They made a big mistake doing this.
And I also think they will soon reverse this again.
Love your channel(s) by the way!
can your synology 1821+ provide this sync service? in fact, synology has a wonderful product opportunity to make 'your own personal google service' in a box. Provide backup, personal cloud, bookmark sync, email--and all of it is PRIVATELY OWNED BY YOU.
> a lot of upset linux users
>myself who has only used the direct calling feature once by accident. And uses nextcloud exclusively.
I'm glad. The more proprietary server sided stuff that linux projects rely on the better. Now gnome which lists chromium as a dependency will be closer to being libre.
I use arch btw
Not sure if it'll hurt google in the long run or not. They're in a weird place. They are too big. By pushing the open source community to re-engineering some solutions, they benefit from the more distributed solutions search without being proprietary maintainers. They are also making so much money from GCP now...it may just be better for them long term.
Chrome, for their new year's resolution, is going on a data diet. Wonder how long it will take before...
I have been un-Google-ing myself lately. I've been thinking on it for a while, but this little situation got the ball rolling. It'll be complete once there's a compelling Linux phone out there.
Pretty disappointing move from the "don't be evil" company.
,though here I am on youtube...
This is why I switched to Firefox man
There's an Edge case here... Lol.
I love these kinds of videos! Do more! Everyone is a random bozo the internet and you're one of the most knowledgeable entertaining bozos out here.
Can you do a video on the CentOS/RHEL shitshow?
I haven't actually used chrome or chromium in years. I just use Firefox.
This chrome proprietary bookmark tracking shouldn't be in Chromium in the first place.
Now if Mozilla wasn't constantly gimping Firefox lately people might consider it as an alternative.
What is the right channel/way of showing my rage as an affected end user at Google for this decision?
All dislikes are google employees
So you don't use multiple profiles on Chrome to make multiple sessions?
Hey Wendell, if you're looking for content for this channel perhaps a video on installing and configuring Jack Audio Connection Kit specifically for streamers and video content creators. I personally have been trying to figure out how to use Jack to get four different inputs on four different channels in OBS. I have a browser based music source, my desktop audio for the game I'm playing, my microphone, and occasionally a discord call that I would like to keep separate for better control of the individual volumes during streams and ease of editing for videos.
Well, I can. Imagine that chromium in Linux is going to suffer.
Time for other browsers to pick up the slack.
Does this affect non browser chromium based applications? Like electron apps such as VSCode and Discord?
Is this why my edge cast to device stop showing my chromecast devices but chrome still shows up
It does make me wish webkit2 was a bit better outright.
Can we get a falcon overview video?
Happy Opera browser user here, I would go with anything that run fast but Chrom and Fire for some reason are slow as hell at everything.
@asdrubale bisanzio Not the same, for some reason the performance at any task is on another level. I can browse any webpage or RUclips at 1440p with insta-loading on any new link. Firefox and Chrome always proof to be slow for some reason, might be the servers use for South America only but the difference is so massive that I have no good reason to go back to them. I still use Firefox as a secondary and even on first install is extremely slow at loading webpages. Privacy ain't a thing for me, otherwise I would try Tor for incognito and Duck Duck as a search engine.
They noticed people were leaving chrome for less spyware intensive browsers. They're trying to make the migration away from them more of a hassle.
I don't see how this makes a difference though, most alternative browsers will ask if you want to import settings/bookmarks from chrome i.e. scraping your local storage and not using the sync feature, on a side note I've been less interested in using google's built-in sync features ever since they changed the UI a few years back and kinda made it worse... Now I just use third-party extensions since they generally work better and/or across multiple browsers.
Those more private browsers wouldn't use Chrome Sync anyway. Edge, Brave, Vivaldi use their own servers (and presumably their own sync protocols), and alternatives like Ungoogled Chromium just disable syncing entirely
Might have been due to Microsoft forking Chromium to become the new Edge. Microsoft stripped all the Google-Fu anyway and this helps Microsoft submit changes back.
Perhaps a new Wendell on Tech channel is warranted for you to comment on things like this with a bit more depth than the level1 news, I know I'd sub
Random bozo? You’re Wendell. Your reputation precedes you to the point where you don’t need a last name..
Pale mooooon ;-)
Joker here!
We need a better kind of consumer,
and society's not gonna give it to us.
Hah-Aha-Haha!
I'm a guy of simple taste, cores, ram, drives, cat 5e,
and you know the thing they have in common... They’re cheap.
All these FANG tech companies care about is money.
This world deserves a better steward of peoples data,
and somebody ought to give it to us.
Tell these FANG tech companies their servers work for us now.
It's not about the money it's about securing my data...
Privacy is a right when you run your own cloud at Linode.com
LOL XD
May this hopefully become a great copypasta...
Why not just use Firefox
Just try watching this video using firefox on a raspberri pi... even if you don't like it there are some use cases that requires chome/chromium.
Say what you want about Mozilla, but I’ll roll with them any day of the week instead of going back to Microsoft.
I’m not some sort of abused spouse with retrograde amnesia, I remember the 90’s, and as a guy who supports Enterprise IT, I’m reminded of that era every single time I’m forced by idiotic management to continue using a website/app that can’t run in anything but IE11 with all the Enterprise and compatibility settings (even in browsers running emulation extensions still fail to run these awful, insecure, proprietary ActiveX based applications).
The best part of Firefox is that there’s a version that will run on every device, and if you’re pissed off enough about LastPass disabling the ability to access their free tier service from mobile AND desktop versions, this actually kinda fills the gap. I haven’t installed Firefox in iOS just yet, but I’m thinking about it. Even if it’s still just a re-skinned version of Safari WebKit (because Apple) I might find that and shared browsing history, bookmarks, as well as passwords across Linux, iOS and Windows devices worth it. Firefox also supports an odd little quirk in passwords I’ve found that LastPass doesn’t, which is blank usernames. So, I can store my super secure, and impossible to remember password for my PiHole that doesn’t have a username, because it doesn’t NEED one, it has a secure API key, it requires a local connection and the length of the password, and use of https make it sorta silly. When you log into the admin GUI, you’re the fucking admin, so why bother with making me type it? Well, Firefox can handle shit just fine, but LastPass freaks out that there’s no username, and won’t store anything, because of course, their developers think they’re clever or something.
In any case, I think this is great, get these Chromium based browsers to stop suckling off those Google teats, and make them build their own shit!
More "random bozo on the internet" content please. :D Love hearing your thoughts on this stuff.
Great video.
Showing the wrong repo when talking about falkon lol
We all do mistakes, or there's perhaps a thought behind it. Thought it was a bit weird that that a browser with popular demand was written 69% in Python :P
7:41 that's a math repo not the browser lol
I just tried Falkon for the first time. Nice browser. A bit slow (try right clicking on a link... that little pause there would drive me crazy), but the show stopper for me was the lack of support for netflix/Primevideo.
So what other alternative "independant" browser would you suggest if I want to start my migration away from google?
Personally I no longer use those services and find them from 'alternative' sources then buy blu-rays of the stuff I want to support. Once you don't need the DRM in your browser (really, 720p is not good enough to pay for anyway..) you can use anything like the really minimal browsers like surf for example.
Wack me on the head if you want, but I'm wondering how this is going to affect things like NeverWare Cloudready OS, based on Chromium OS, as I have elder family members on the free Home edition to keep things super simple, and to reuse their older, but still good hardware with no EOL date like a normal Chromebook.
Maybe they should have kept their damn APIs in their own source tree. Don't put that stuff in the public source tree if you don't want others to use it.
Google is the worst run tech company they really need a new board and ceo
A bit of false equivalency between very few questionable decisions by Mozilla and using Google services. I really hope to the bane of web developers that there might be some variation in in web rendering engines... not every browser built on chromium. Firefox is a great alternative. Not perfect but still pretty great.
Didn't Mozilla layoff a bunch of their cybersecurity staff a few months back? Not exactly a good thing for any alternative to do and considerably worse than just a questionable decision.
@@vgamesx1 Not sure if that was security staff specifically but they had quite big layoffs. And still I'd trust them more. My issue with mozilla is that at some point they stopped listening to the community and went with their own vision of things.
Nextcloud bookmark sync video?
I'm sure I'm not the only one who would have stopped using chromium long ago, were it not for precisely these features. This time, I don't care if they change their mind at the last minute. I need to stop letting these bozos be in charge of my passwords and contacts... I could have put up with the privacy abuse. That was almost a fair price. But, of /course/ now, that is not enough, they want to run some binary blob on my box, like Kazaa.... Anyhow, I'm out, *@$%#% this noise. So long and thanks for all the abuse.
Chrome shutting out Chromium?
*[Laughs in Firefox]*
Will the move to the Crome browser handling its CA certs internally give Google the ability to censor whoever they want on https?
Yes, just like Mozilla's NSS
Wonder why edge have a problem with login and sync on linux but not windows and mac.
Maybe because it's still in development? There's not even a Beta channel for Linux and considering this must be very low priority for them (in my opinion) its going to take a while. Not everything is a secret plan from corporations to inconvenience users.
@@mttkl Thx. Glad to hear it is not an intended feature.
So the API is down?
just one word: Firefox
Use Firefox, so simple :)
Um, google is de-googling chromium?
NON USE
NON USE