I used to work at a gas station when I was younger and I had a customer who was this older black man who would tell me stories about his time in Vietnam. One day during one of his stories I shook his hand and said thank you for your service because I know you guys got treated horribly when you came back so I want to show gratitude for what you guys went through. He started crying in middle of the store very quietly and said “thank you young man that means so much to me, no one has ever said that to me before”.
Wow. The men that went over there went to protect their brothers next to them and us. The government is the only one in the US Military with ulterior motives.
We shouldn't have went 80% of Vietnamese were going to follow Ho Chi Minh who happen to be a communist making winning such a war impossible but the US was justified to defend people who didn't want to be made slaves under a communist system. For example the US was 100% justified in Korea yet the situations are very similar to Vietnam with the main exception being many Koreans didn't want to fall under communist rule.
My grandfather went into Normandy on a glider behind the lines with the 82nd Airborne. He was a SSgt. and he only ever said that he did his job just like everyone else. I hope they all know just how special what they did was. RIP grandpa 1921-1999.
My grandfather was at Normandy, too. He never talked about it but he did just what the speaker said -came back, started a successful business, raised a great family. I'm not sure how he escaped ptsd or any vices but he and many did. I think they were appreciated, had faith, knew it was a just cause and just moved on.
Exactly, now you have these DOUCHE@#@s who come back and jockey to take credit for "being the guy to kill Osama Bid Laden" and movies like "The Sniper" that glorify as sharpshooter who didn't do anything remarkable other than "his job". Nothing like the men of old. Look at these 2 "MACHO MEN" smoking cigars acting like they know what they are talking about.
There's a guy in my town we call "mean Gene". He's now 99 years old and is a WWII vet. He watched his son commit suicide by gun in his driveway, lost his wife of 70 years to cancer and had a major stroke that has since paralyzed his left arm and nearly all of his left leg but he can still get around with a cane. He served in the Pacific theatre. Anyhow, Gene was on a transport ship and the Japanese pilots would come down real low almost to the water line and use our transport ships as shields from the gunships because they sat higher in the water and would come up over the tops of our lighter less important ships to attack the more important ones. Gene would stand on the open deck of his transport ship and throw potatoes at the Japanese Zero pilots. I don't think the reaper will take this man for fear of him.
there’s an 80 year old man that lives in a home behind my apartments and occasionally he runs around naked…he has dementia from when he served in vietnam as a tunnel rat…
I love what he said in the beginning about language. It reminds me of something that George Carlin said. "They want to control your language because that's how you control thought. Because we do think in language. So the quality of our thoughts, actions and ideas can only be as good as the quality of our language." I just felt like I had to point that out.
I worked in a VA hospital in the late 80’s, my patients were the remaining WW2 vets. It was one of the best experiences of a 37 year nursing career! They were phenomenal men!
@@badxradxandy you don't see too many of them today. i remember even as a little kid in the late 2000s and early 2010s it was still common to see someone with a ww2 vet hat on
my neighbor, Sam Hunt, was at Pearl Harbor. He told his story when I was in my late 20s. Sam was on a minesweeper and heard the chaos above decks. He ran up to the top deck to see Japanese planes bombing and strafing. He told me he jumped back into the stairwell and knocked his front 2 teeth out. His CO came up the stairwell and threw up when he saw Sam's bloody face. He told me they were able to get underway and made it out of the Harbor. After that, I cleaned his pool, did yard work etc and wanted nothing. He wouldn't accept something for nothing and would always press 10 bucks in my hand. it was literally less than 2 bucks an hour but I knew his pride was involved so I thanked him. when he passed away, I did the same work around the house for his wife for cookies, brownies, etc. I'll never forget it and glad for it.
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen he knew full well the Japanese were going to attack that’s why the all important aircraft carriers were at sea , not even near Pearl. He needed it as an excuse to get into the war.
My uncle had a shit ton of medals from Vietnam, he was a green beret that was highly decorated and had a thousand yard stare anytime I ever saw him. My cousin and I one time asked him what it was like and he looked both of us directly in the eyes and said we’d never hear about it from him. Definitely got the vibe he’d seen some shit. RIP Uncle wayne…
My grandma’s third husband was a crew chief on the AC-47 and he would rarely tell stories. If he had a few drinks he would say a few things but not a lot
I'm sorry. Maybe it was your age....too young. You should have asked him 18+. I've been through some shit and if it had an impact on me or a valuable lesson, it's going to be in your head regardless. That "I'll never tell you about it" especially if it's a meaningful lesson/insight usually means they were changing the tires and didn't have a necklace made of ears or you are too young. Death before your eyes, even a stranger is a tragedy. Honestly, I think soldiers should be 35+ cuz I would trade my life 10 times over for that of an 18,19 year old who hasn't had a chance at life yet. But, they need them young and impressionable minds otherwise America + Pol Pot killed 5 million SE Asians via a false flag bombing their own ship then jumped and destabilized Central/South America cuz it's fun. Then the middle East.....twice. Next is Africa then back to Europe Again because Australia and Antarctica aren't in the destruction rotation......yet.
@@jamesowens2675 What you said really made me think. It's true though. I'm not a vet but I've seen death and other terrible things because growing up in US inner city. I can't imagine the full brutality of what soldiers in combat deal with. Especially when it goes beyond conventional warfare and women and children get involved. It has happened in every modern war. Imagine storming Berlin and some 13 year old scared kid is pointing a rifle at you, how do you handle that? I don't know what I'd do. Probably try to talk him down and get killed lol. My grandads were in Korea and Pacific ww2, it destroyed them both with alcohol. Wish I could get some wisdom from them, but evidently there was none. Just pain.
my grandfather was in ww2, the korean conflict, and vietnam. he was a proud american. even though he said he didnt think everything the government did was right, and that they needed to take better care of the men and women who serve, he was proud to be an american mostly because of the bonds he formed with men and women in the service. he was raised by racist people, in a racist area, but he military completely changed him. he said you didnt care what color the men were next to you, only whether or not they had your back. and they did. they had eachothers backs. brothers in arms, truly. rest in peace grandpa, i wish i had been more mature while you were around, to ask you more about your life experiences.
Jack Carr has an unrealistic and mythical perception of history. America was not this great country that "never whined' or "stuck together " to get things done. We had serious problems... -There were 4,000 strikes during WWII. - there were race riots throughout the war beginning in 1942 - Black servicemen returning from Europe and the Pacific were attacked by racist lynch mobs in the South - Hollywood released films that dehumanized the Japanese and films that portrayed black soldiers as incompetent cowards. - Women who worked in traditionally male jobs were fired en-masse to to accommodate returning GIs after the war ended
My dad took me to Normandy and Ohama Beach when I was around 10 (22 now). I remember it so well, the mass burials with crosses and bunkers. At that time it didn’t really hit me because I was too young, but looking back at it man… Wow. So grateful for those unimaginably brave men who fought for OUR freedom, something we take for granted so much nowadays. Taking yourself through the experience of imagining what that was like really changes your view of the world. I’m so grateful my dad took me there to do just that when I was younger.
The majority of these men were from poor backgrounds and their families and friends are still poor. Wars are rich people fighting other rich people using poor people as fodder for the cannons.
Wasn’t Nixon responsible for going behind the back of the American government and LBJ’s administration and talking to the South Vietnamese? And didn’t he essentially extend the war by years as he (or his associates) told them not to accept a peace deal?
The initial question at the beginning of the clip was inadvertantly answered I feel. You can describe all of these heroic events and battles in WW2, the difference between it and conflicts like Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Syria, etc. is those conflicts are long, drawn out, and fought for unclear reasons to the public and without any definable end goal in mind.
Difference is a military conflict and total all out war. WW2 was the last time a western country was at total war. People don't understand what total war means.
My father and his brothers from Kansas decided that it was their duty to fight for our country and join the Navy right after Peral Harbor.. Dad was sank twice the last he was the sole survivor. He got out in 1945 then went to being a sheriff. 1948 dad reenlisted into into the Army and served during the Korean war. Dad stayed in the Army and saw 3 tours of Vietnam 1st Cav active combat. Purple, bronze, etc... While stationed in Seoul I was born. My mother and her family were refugees from the Korean war. Dad was a big man at 6'4 300+. Dad was a gentle man that loved his country. When I was little I asked about how come the Vietnam war was so bad and horrible (Vietnam flashbacks) and the others wars were not? He told me this a few times that during WW2 we had nothing but the dirt under us. When WW2 broke out it was duty to our country. And said that he had 3 meals a day, fresh clothes and $44 dollars in his pocket. We fought an enemy and we won with the world celebrated. Then the soldiers came home, got the GI bill got homes and started the families. The children of those families grew up with so many new and modern things, High School, automobiles, Prom, drive in's, surfing, ColorTV, etc.. The American dream. Then throw an 19 year old kid with a M16 into the jungles of southeast Asia. I miss my father.
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He was sunk twice… in the army? Then served in Korea… 2 years after re-enlisting? Then did 3 tours (combat tours at that) in Vietnam as, what, a 50 year old? Air cavalry. I call BS dude
@@suckmyass3569 well, reading comprehension doesn't seem to your strong suit. Regardless of the stories validity. He said he joined the NAVY after pearl harbor, amd was sunk twice. Then he went on and enlisted in the army. That's the best I can dumb it down, lmk if it helped.
@@suckmyass3569 its says navy...then reinlisted (Isn't edited either) that's how it was dude. Probably was like 18 if that when he joined. Alot of people in the navy where minors they cared less. I wouldn't be surprised if he was drafted into the army like a lot of others. But to end on a joke maybe it was the usa peoples army navy lol
No disrespect to your dad's service But, the Vietnam war wasn't about kids not having the same will tonight because they grew up better....That's idiotic. It's apparent that it was a massive lack of support from the home front and from any allies. The media fueled a fire back home that was the opposite of how the nation came together during WW2. The men have always been every bit as capable,if not more, as generations pass. How the home land backs a war has a massive impact on how efficient it is in war. Funding and recruiting were massive bonuses during WW2. That was a good but different during Vietnam...You're father was and is a hero, I just don't agree with the Vietnam generation not growing up hard scrabble enough making a difference.
My grandpa was a battle vet from ww2 he was born 11-11-1919 he had bad PTSD he slept with a loaded 357 under his pillow he would tell us crazy stories about how after they took the beach his tank driver had lost his mind and would drive over the bloated bodies to hear them pop and all the men had to tie him up. He went into the war a racist and by the time he came out he realized how foolish his beliefs really were. Made him question God and everything he was taught his whole life. Rest easy pop.
My grandpa served as well he used to sleep with his rifle next to the bed, I could remember his PTSD kicking in a few times he would hop up and do a full march and salute, then go bizerk glad my grandma took the bullets a long time ago.
@@danschumacher5427 I'd say about 90 percent yea. He still would stereotype people He definitely tried his hardest to change. I mean he was born in Texas around the kkk, My aunt married a Mexican guy and have 3 kids by him and he loved his granddaughters very much by the time he passed I'd say he wasnt racist at all.
One difference in particular that stands out between WW2 and Vietnam was _who_ fought. In WW2, all social classes served, but for Vietnam, it was largely working-class Americans who couldn't get those college deferments or cushy Air National Guard assignments Stateside.
Or the large amount of black Americans drafted and fighting for our "freedoms" that they didnt receive at home. Meanwhile in ww2 they didnt really let black people serve in combat roles until the end.
And the fact that the us had no business going to Vietnam. The Vietnamese wanted independence from French colonists and the us went to stop it. The us were the bad guys that’s the difference between ww2 and Vietnam
The way we treated our Veterans from Vietnam compared to the Veterans coming from World War 2 was absolutely atrocious. This was the distinct factor in my opinion. Being a History teacher, I find extreme valuable in teaching students in the classroom this difference when discussing the Vietnam War. It was a shifting of cultures among society and the military. No Veteran should be treated in such a way.
Got nothing but love for the vets. Its ashame how our government treats them. My granda fought in the korean war, he passed away this year and he was all about honoring vets. He would always make sure we honored them and even at his funeral made sure we honored the vets. When he passed away all the grand sons in our family, which is well over 25 of us got together and had a flag retirement ceremony and we all took turns burning his flag for the final time. He would always do it alone in his backyard on veterans day to honor the vets. He left an amazing legacy and now all his grandchildren, great grandchildren and great great grandchildren get to carry his legacy further.
I think the difference was that in ww2 there was a clear cut villain with Hitler that needed to be stopped. I’m Vietnam a lot of the soldiers didn’t even know why they were there and what they were killing for. The soldiers were used and essentially thrown away for the interests of people who didn’t care about them at all
@Ман ван данн 🇻🇳Vietnam never invaded the 🇺🇸USA nor any of its territories though. Plus, the Civil Rights movement came into play, which amplified the anger over unresolved issues such as discrimination against minority veterans from previous conflicts like WWII.
I've been privileged to be good friends with two Vietnam combat veterans over the decades. They are gone now. We sometimes would get drunk/fucked up and the stories they would tell were beyond anything I could ever endure. Being the pussy I am. I loved these guys. They didn't serve together, but were Marine Force Recon, one tall and muscular and the other short and built like a bull. Both were generous and outgoing, but you could see the inner pain they carried. Both had crazy experiences as well as painful struggles in that war with the scars to prove it. I'm talking last man alive stuff. Our government shit on these brave men and still has a long way to go to make it right for everyone who serves in combat for America.
@@trogman43988 I'm not a good storyteller, and those guys were captivating, if only for the authenticity of their experiences. One told me of the time he was assigned to a "shotgun squad" way up North to assassinate a high-ranking NVA officer. He simply knocked on the guy's door at night and blew him away. While moving to their extract they were ambushed and got into hand-to-hand combat. When it was over he was alone and covered in blood and the guys he was with dead. He made it back to the base and what he remembered most was taking off his bloody and torn uniform, reaching into a pocket, and pulling out a human finger. He just sat there looking at it and laughed like a madman. He was one of the most calm, intelligent, and friendly men I've known. And was successful as well in his career. Agent Orange eventually murdered him.
Great valor from those 2 friends of yours! Don't let anyone mislead you to think Vietnam War was useless. Hindsight is always 20/20. Without US forces, currently free and prosperous South Korea wouldn't exist today. Vietnam situation was exactly the same, but the Vietnam's landlock geography ultimately make the massive infiltration of North Vietnamese Commie terrorists from Ho Chi Minh Trail via Laos and Campuchia's porous borders exponentially harder to control than the situation in South Korea. I always thank Vietnam vets for their services.
Yea after we tried to drug the viernamese we did it to ourselves. under raegan he gave them opium and then gave our citizens drugs in us the clinton implements laws against the same drugs they brought in the fucking country and used in viernam in china in africa. All over over the works our government corrupts. Theyll destroy this planet in an attempt to control it
@@yalbad5160 yeah because it’s not the government who ordered all the messed up things to happen. They are perfect. Like the song war pigs go “politicians hide themselves away. They only started the war. Why should they go out to fight? They leave that all to the poor” the next time you have a thought just let it go.
I am 26 and already medically retired from the Army after serving in Iraq & Syria. I miss the brotherhood but I also miss the ones we lost. I really don’t know what to do with my life now since it feels like I have no purpose but I just try to live on for the ones who didn’t make it
I think purpose isn't always something that's found. Sometimes you have to give yourself the purpose and reason for getting up out of the bed. Do some honest reflection about what you love and how you can turn that into a profitable job. You like being pf service and helping others? Then being a cop or fireman might be right up your alley. Interested in putting things together and building stuff? Then maybe a job in the trades or going to school for engineering is the right fit. If you're suffering from depression or PTSD please don't bottle that up. There are lots of helpful medications and therapists out there that can give you the tools you need to get through. Keep your head up man, even the darkest night eventually gives way to dawn.
Honestly I don't understand why he couldn't put his finger on it. It feels insincere, considering he should know better. We entered WWII after we were attacked; prior to that the country was mixed on whether or not Axis aggression should be confronted directly. Vietnam was a twisted side-step into a gruesome conflict with motivations that were questionable at best, and confusing to citizens.
Agreeable now we go into countries for gold and oil and take other peoples rights live how they want all in the name of “freedom” even though The government wants to spread their Imperialistic ideals across the world
My father and my friend's father were both in WW2. My friend's father won the silver star for rescuing a wounded soldier during a fire fight. He said he didn't do anything more than many others did. The mindset of those soldiers fascinates me. To overcome the terror in their mind and function like that. We have lost the greatest generation.
My respect for past soldiers shot threw the roof after my history class in college. Reading world history, war, and what those young men at the time went through really put things into perspective for me. I hope I’m able to teach my kids the same as he did with his little girl, what that generation did for us I will forever be appreciative and thankful for.
My dad is an army vet from Vietnam.. He's recently been able to get into a vet's retirement home. Everyone is shocked he went to Vietnam. Sadly he's to old to visit Vietnam before he passes but I hope to go just to reconnect with the country. He comes from my grandfather who is one of the pilots who dropped the bombs on Japan. I definitely appreciate any military veterans in my daily life and try to help them when I can
Not sure how to separate a bad war from a good soldier. It's like saying a random mass murderer of children (like Columbine shooters) in a school is a good person, just happened to be fighting a bad war. Personal responsibility somehow doesn't apply to murders if the victims are poor enough.
@@gottago1885 I mean, that's not really anything to feel proud about. I watched a doc on the bombing, several actually, and they always finish with "I wish there was another way" or "I would strangle myself before having to drop a bomb again." The thing is, I love Japanese people, I love their culture, I like the people, I even like some of the food and storytelling. However, if you ever told someone who was Japanese, and who was a kid or teen during WWII, they wouldn't think very highly or kindly to us. Their were normal, kind, innocent people that were killed by our American people because of an order given by a government that gave up on any other way to end the war and, in the end, decided on a war that was only ended when that government's own people finally decided to overthrow the dictators their leaders had become.
My teenage kid said this to me and it's something that sticks in my head and makes so much sense to me. "Intelligent animals in zoos look so sad and depressed, and I see that today in society. It's like we've all been tricked into building our own little zoos, our own little pen. I don't think we are built/designed to live like this."
That is the very best trait that children possess, their ability to see through the B.S. that Adults spew. We break ourselves when we buy into the narrative, to fit in. People consider me broken because I refused to believe that my Dad's dog tags should list a religion. I am sure that anyone who picks up a gun to solve their problems isn't Religious.
@@BasedAurelius ...We called the original Snow Birds, SAVAGES, then asked for their help writing the Constitution. Those who lived here before whitey maintained the land with a gentle touch, while we muscle our way thru Nature. Natives managed controlled burns in arid climates so they wouldn't get caught in wild fires. Today we build homes in those same areas and watch homeowners cry about fireworks or campfires ruining their life. Any botonist would have advised against a subdivision based solely on the plants growing there, like any frontiersman, or founding father. We have forgotten the basics. Food Water Shelter Love No reason to count past four.
My grandfather was in the marines in the Vietnam war and was very open about telling his stories. Among the hell they went through there and here after I just cannot imagine. That is why it is absolutely crucial to thank a Vietnam veteran for their service. They never got that thank you.
My father, (i'm the 5th kid) luckily got to see me before he left for his 3rd time to Vietnam. Went through a lot and hasn't said much, but now at 85 he's finally relaxed enough to actually laugh now.
@@Chester_Oliver my grandfather is still getting his agent orange check monthly. I have to say the side effects of that are nasty- I have multiple cousins/ aunts/uncles that have emotional issues, even one with autism and there is no history of that in the family. Definitely messed with our “gene pool” a bit.
My Grandfather was a Cannoneer during the Second World War. He hit the Normandy beach 1.5 days after the first wave. He, and his brethren, fought from France to Belgium and finally Germany. He was at the Battle of the Bulge and was part of the liberation of Dachau. The stories he told will stay with me until I die. I cannot imagine how it would be to live through it in person. But, I'm so very proud of him and his Generation. God Bless each and every Veteran. Thank you for your service.
My grandfather was too young to be in ww2 but his father (my great grandfather) was in WW1 and he served in the Meuse-Argonn offensive which was one of the last (if not the last) big offensive in WW1. That battle lasted 47 days. I also think it is the deadliest battle in American history. Over 340,000 casualties. I can’t remember if that was just Americans though… might be a total count in the 47 days. And my dad told me he asked the man what it was like being young and naive at the time. The 96 year old man burst into tears. My dad later found out his grandfathers best friend was in the trenches with him got shot and he had to watch his friend suffer, die…. Then rot on the battlefield for days.. used his corpse as shelter..….….I couldn’t even imagine. (he was very old when he had my grandfather)
My father-in-law was in Normandy. He was in the 7th wave. He told me that the first and second wave was destroyed, no one survived. By third wave a few made it to the beach. And little by little they made progress. Crazy……
My grandpa was part of a group of 200 US marine tunnel rats along with 700 combined arms. He was spit on he was called names when he returned & while Howard stern gloats of wearing body parts as a trophy my grandfather is rotting away in his room from PTSD & dementia he gathers all the kitchen knives and hides them under his bed sheets on his bed and sleeps In a chair. He was a POW for 1 year and is only 78. I hate what Vietnam took from my papa
Thats fucked up what happened to your papa. lets also imagine what it did to the Vietnamese. Children are still being born with birth defects from all the bombs and poison we dropped.
I work in retail and I see a Vietnam vet almost everyday and I make sure to always shake their hand, thank them for their service and welcome them home because they didn’t get that when they came back.
I met a few Tuskegee airman when I was younger and it was an incredibly impactful moment in my youth. I still remember them years later and I have so much respect for the generation that took on hell and won.
As a kid, I got to know a guy who was a belly gunner in the Pacific during WWII. He always noted that he shot down plans with a Mitsubishi symbol on them and we now have cars in the US with that symbol. I wish I knew him when I'm older so I could appreciate his stories more but he passed away years ago.
So this gentleman's answer to the question is " i don't know " . If you don't know without uncertainty who the enemy is , how can you fight him with vigor ? Things changed when uniforms were no longer worn by your combatant . They are nowhere , they are everywhere .
My grandpa was in WW2 Navy on the Mona Island. My dad was drafted in the Army in Vietnam (MP K-9 Sentryman). Even the feel of the stories were so different. My dad suffered a lot after coming home.
My great grandfather fought in Africa, Italy, Normandy, and then went on to the Pacific. The amount of respect and interest i have in these men and history is immense. God Bless America.
I used to work with a Vietnam vet who was drafted into the war and he said that when he came back after serving he applied for a job as a butcher and they told him that they could not hire him because he was a vet from Vietnam He said he didn't get a heroes welcome like the men did after WW2
because WW2 was fought against Nazism and the Vietnam war was an invasion and massacre of innocent people, if I was drafted I would refuse to fight and suffer the consequences, just like Muhammad Ali, he was the real hero not the soldiers who blindly pledge allegiance to a racist and morally corrupt nation.
My mom married my step dad when I was 7 years old. He was a Huey door gunner in Vietnam. They didn’t call it PTSD back then and the VA treated it with large amounts of drugs to just make zombies out of a lot of guys. There were times he was the nicest gentlest human being I ever knew and there were times I thought he was going to kill my Mom and I. 40 years later I get it.
Problem is how to get decent normal people to become soldiers, ready to kill or be killed. Then bring them back and expect them to just shut off the recent past. I've seen NO country really try to do the right thing with their vets. The VA got better funding under Trump, that's about it. Since covid, the VA hospitals have lost so many doctors, nurses and others. Care for vets is a joke.
My Uncle was a Sargent in the Army 2 tours in Vietnam....he was on Methadone for yrs for PSTD and ended up commiting suicide 8yrs ago unexpectedly. I blame it on the war
Both my grandfather's flew in ww2 and both were shot down. I'm glad I was alive to know them and respect for what they did. I have always been a ww2 buff. It's crazy to think that we were the last generations of people who can say we knew them. My children and their children will never know anyone who was in ww2, but almost everyone I grew up with, born in 1986 or earlier, had a grandfather they knew and was still alive who served in that war.
as we get into the 2020s and the last ww2 vets start to go ive also begun to realize we are the last generation to have met them. i was born in 2004 and have met only about 3 or 4 ww2 vets including one of my grandfathers but have been alive at the same time as millions of ww2 vets. we are very lucky to have been able to meet them but not have to have fought in the war
My great grandpa was part of the chosen few he’s told me super sad stories of how they came close to death, and how most of them lost their toes hands etc.. my grandpa even showed me his toes and there were only 3 on each… but the forgotten war isn’t talked much enough sad for what they all went through being from being ambushed to making it though the cold.. Rip all fallen soldiers
WWII felt like we were actually defending ourselves, and our allies from an evil enemy. While the Viet Cong were no saints, fighting "the spread of communism" by ruthlessly killing them, along with their women and children just felt completely different. Despite this, like others here have said, our veteran deserved better, it's pretty depressing to see so many veterans drugged out and homeless.
That’s the worse part about it. The viet cong were fighting the French way before the u.s got involved. The U.S could of had an allied if they backed Vietnams independence from France. Instead of inheriting their problem.
@@bonda_racing3579 in 1945 ho chi minh wanted US support for an independent vietnam.....if china had not gone communist korea and vietnam might not have happened because the US opposed french colonialism
Joe didn't do his research 6:52. They did bomb, shell, and drop paratroopers behind the lines. They largely missed their targets or fortifications were extremely strong.
Right? The same with the gliders, not so much Joe, but his guest seems to be the WW2 guy here. D-Day was planned insanely detailed, but the US soldiers were... how could you say without being rude - unlucky because the bombing and shelling was off and the bunkers were still very active. Wait, pretty sure you know this, sorry.
My dad was a marine in Vietnam and my grandfather was a world war 2 vet. The difference is my dad was in killer mode every second and my grandfather was more laid back.Both killers but my dad was a bit more aggressive. They weee both superhuman though. They could fight through anything it was wild
My grandfather served in the Canadian Navy during WW2. He was a Morse code operator so to my knowledge he never killed anyone himself, but I could always sense the guilt he felt. He told me once that he wasn't proud of anything he did in the war. As much as dehumanization helps you do what war asks of you, my grandfather never forgot that the men on the other side had families too. He may not have liked talking about his service, but he did help me understand the importance of remembering what happened in the war so we can prevent another one from happening. He didn't see anything glorious about what he did. He understood war for the ugly thing that it is. I think when he started losing his memory to Alzheimer's he mentioned that he hoped it would take his memories of the war away. A part of me hopes it did.
WW2 made the US and really anyone on that side EXTREMELY RICH and boomed our economy and tech. Our government (life long politicians) realized that. They forced the next wars, Korea, ‘Nam, Iraq, Afghan, Africa, the Middle East again…. Think about it. WW2 brought us out of the Depression and things were glorious after. Up until the 50s. We had all this military built up, thanks WW2, nothing to do with it. We seen the Russians were moving around in that region and we forced the hand. Jumped into war, the vets from WW2 thought it was their chance again along with a DRAFT. Our leaders thought that it was going to be a great turn out for $ and power flexing. It was not. Vietnam was supposed to clean up the thoughts very few had about the Korean War. Instead those people and the soldiers realized that it was a lie and were thrown into the fire because your government told you too. Every war after WW2 was for profit. Not a battle between good and evil. Those battles are long gone. It is all for profit now. That’s the DIFFERENCE between WW2 and Vietnam. The only difference that matters.
My great grandpa and great grandma lived in Pearl Harbor when the attack happened because my great grandpa was stationed there. My great grandma was walking over to a friends house with a dish in hand because they were having a cookout breakfast, and a Japanese pilot came right at her. And she just froze. She said that her and the pilot made eye contact and he nodded and pulled up and flew over her. This was a year before they had my grandma. Which is crazy because he easily could have just fired and I wouldn’t even be here today. My mom has the pan on a shelf at her house. soldiers do indeed have some humanity.
That’s cap they went to China to sexually assaulted women and children but this pilot froze time for your granny to look at him and nod bro he would of torn her apart why she a imperial Japanese sympathizer when she saw what they did at Pearl Harbor
The gliders Joe asks about at 7:00 were used to transport troops behind enemy lines to fight alongside the paratroopers that jumped in. It was a way to bring in troops without having to have that many more planes to transport them. The gliders were much easier and quicker to build. The C-47’s carried a load of paratroopers and (some of them) towed in gliders full of troops behind them, cut them loose and the glider pilot took over control and landed them. There were lots of casualties due to glider crashes, mishaps etc. but it was still a success.
Storming the beach itself was much more difficult than planned "I think", because the weather was more fowl than expected, which made it much more difficult -- with the sighting equipment of the time -- for the Air Force bombers to target the coastal gun emplacements with reasonable accuracy. The early morning bombing runs were largely ineffective because of that and because the Germans even moved some of the massive guns around. After the Navy ships saw the Army and Marine personnel getting slaughtered, and after being instructed by higher authority to stay a safe distance from the shore's underwater mines and obstructions designed to snag or damage ships, some of the Navy ship captains could not stand it, so they defied orders, moved closer, and started shelling the cliffs over the heads of the soldiers on the beach.
My grandfather served in the 8th Air Core in WW2. He enlisted right after Pearl Harbor and the shit that man went through, the men he lost during the bobmings of Dresden and the Invasion of the Rhineland gave him some serious PTSD that scared him for decades. The Governorment wanted him to serve in Korea and he politly told them to fuck themselves, he had lost so many frineds from the war that he couldn't fathom making more just to watch them die. He would never even talk to my dad about the war until after my father got back from his tours in the Middle East. I never got to meet my grandpa because he died before I could remember him but he was a strong man who fought for everything he had and I respect him for his sacrifice. Men like him are the reason that we call it the Greatest Generation. It was them who sacrificed everything so that we could live in a brighter future than they had been born into.
The bravery and willingness that those soldiers had to keep advancing while watching their good friends dying horrifically right beside is TRULY remarkable and unbelievable. In my opinion, the heroes that died so that the men behind them (who lived) could take over Normandy and return home to their wives and families are the true heroes. Our society today would immediately fold at the sight of Normandy that day. Our society today would not win that war. We are too fragile and too easily offended. The men at that time were strong and had thick skin
@@yomama7832 I’m 19 and I know a couple friends in the service right now, I’d say they’re pretty tough kids all from rougher backgrounds than I am. The types of limp wristed pussies which are the most vocal part of our generation wouldn’t even join the military, you’re still getting tough kids who join. Not as tough as the kids from the 40s or 60s but it’s something. We fight smarter not harder now
@@willcui4887 none, I come from a rural town where we all have been doing hard work since childhood. I do tree work myself and I’m 19, but some of my other buddies are in the service, 3 to be exact only one is an infantryman in the marines though. I don’t talk to them as much anymore since they’ve left but I know they’re some tough fuckers I’d never wanna fight
My grandfather was in the marines and his time was up and then got home and joined the navy to go back and fight WW II , I was only 10 when he passed away but that man was one of a kind and fearless
My grandmother had a boyfriend at the time who died in battle as a paratrooper. She hardly ever talked about it, but my mom told me the story and also what my grandfather did during the war, such as fighting in Germany. Both my grandfathers fought in WWII, and some of the documents and letters we found after their passing are incredible to read. Seeing some of the German soldier memorabilia they brought back to America with them still haunt me to this day.
An older friend of mine served two combat tours in the Vietnam War in the Marine Corps. He told me he was doing his patriotic duty by serving and having faith about why we were fighting. He says if he knew then what he knows now about why our country was fighting that war, he would not have enlisted.
I served in Iraq at age 18. Made me grow up fast but also respect those who faught and died before me wearing the uniform. I wasn't for the war but I sure was for my country.
I was in Singapore twice and I had visited some of the battlefield sites where the British troops had fought against the Japanese in 1941/42. I have yet to visit Europe but I can understand that powerful feeling of being there like that.
FRIENDLY REMINDER: 2/3 of WW2 were drafted and 1/3 volunteered. Vietnam 2/3 volunteered and 1/3 were drafted. Americans did not want to fight in WW2 but they've rewritten history with Vietnam being the draft war.
I can highly respect your position on the "rewriting of history whenever it's convenient". However, I lived through that time period, and that's not how I remember it. And I mean no disrespect to those that ultimately got drafted but, as I saw it NO ONE wanted to be drafted - including me, and they certainly didn't volunteer. Why would you, when Walter Cronkite spent the first 12 - 15 minutes of the evening news on how many Americans were estimated killed that day.
He is missing so much with what went into D-Day, every one of Hitler's intelligence officers was turned. They was in his ear and had him prepared to take on a mass invasion at a completely different spot on the direct opposite side of the island. We had created an entire force that was just inflatable tanks and stuff like that. We also flooded the sky with parachute jumpers that was just dummies, we had different kinds of technology built, like all these weird tanks that could drive up on to the blockaid areas and turn into a bridge and tanks that had these huge slapping chains to blow up the mines etc. I mean he is just missing so so much this was one of the most tactical extravaganza events in military history.
the reason why d day was possible was because the germans were fighting.....the Russians, and had most of their armies walking towards Russia, not because of some trickery, they were stretched thin
@@jondoe8271 They were stretched thin, but they lacked two critical things too: resources and time. They were dramatically below their demographic replacement rate, and had only *5%* of the resources the Allies and Comintern held.
My grandad John Riley Walker was at Omaha Beach on D-Day. Wounded by gunshot to the arm in Carentan. He would receive two purple hearts after the war. He also visited Normandy again in the early 2010s. I wish I could talk to him being 29 now. I interviewed him for a high school project and I think he told me things he never told anybody else. The only thing he said about Saving Private Ryan was that his company didn't have bags to keep their guns dry. That was all he ever said about that day besides that he was there.
What's sad about D- Day was that was probably the BEST option. Regardless of How many were LOST. Thats what blows my mind. Knowing that was the BEST option to WIN. Fucking Wild.
@@yeahman147 That’s misleading, Normandy was relatively lightly defended compared to the axis defences at Calais, where the enemy thought the allies would land Fact is anything compared to how the Soviets treated their soldiers is admirable
What the guy says as to why respect for the military is lessened, it's becuase WWII is now further and further away and also Korea, Vietnam, War on Terrorism had/has such dubious motives and unclear goals which makes people question why are they there in the first place.
And because we all have so much access to information, and we have grown up safe in the knowledge we can say a big fat "Fuck YOU" to anyone or anything we don't agree with. Back in the 30s and 40s, you did what you were told, said "Yes sir" and didn't question the official narrative. I like being free, like being able to tell anyone I like to fuck off, and won't be bullshitted into risking my life for anyone, let alone in a foreign land - it's inevitable that comes across as disrespect.
I thought it was pretty common knowledge how the US and allied forces failed logistically at Normandy by dropping the munitions meant for the enemy entirely too far from the intended lines for them to be at all effective.
But do you know why? The reason was due to bad weather…. or worse fog than they were expecting. Apparently 5 o’clock in the morning or 6 o’clock, whenever it was, visibility was horrible.
@@joshnic6639 Yup. Imagine dropping munitions and bombs, etc. without any aid of gps or coordinates. They were literally flying blind in planes in major fog while calculating based on altitude and speed with a paper map, where their drops would land. Pretty crazy when you think about fighting a war with 1940s tech.
At D-Day, there was a massive bombing raid that was supposed to soften up the landing beaches, but the bombers missed their target area and ended up dropping the bombs further inland. Therefore there were no craters for cover, no elimination of mines and obstacles, and no initial degradation of German forces at the beaches. That’s why the casualties were so high. It was a very costly clusterf*ck
thank you for taking the time to write this that's really interesting I always wondered why d day went how it went, all I know was we lost about 4000 troops on that Beach if I remember right
What made it a success was that we were able to convince them we were attacking somewhere else so the Germans didn’t send supplies to that area and eventually just ran out of ammo. If they had been properly supplied it probably would have failed
@@ryanhamstra49 Correct. Germans did not have the supplies to keep up landing after landing. If they did D-Day would of been an all time military disaster.
@@ryanhamstra49 Sure but the D-Day landing failing would've only prolonged the war so long, the western forces was already moving up through Italy and the soviets were closing in on that front, it was merely opening a third front.
You could say the first part about Vietnam and the second part about WW2 as well. Fighting against communism is a good thing. The problem is that the civilian government wouldn't let our military do its damn job.
More specifically, WW2 saw massive devastation. People thought Russia and Germany might align and roll over the rest of the earth, then Germany attacked Russia. Who would the winner come after next? With Korea, people were still riding high off winning WW2. In Vietnam, the luster was gone and people were upset we were fighting ideological wars in countries that only in the last 30 years have had an impact on global trade, against a bloc that would collapse under its own weight.
@@andyfriederichsen fighting against communism on the other side of the world is not a good thing. condemning men, women, and children to die in a country most Americans didn’t even know about at the time was not the answer. Americans preach about freedom until another country does something we don’t like.
As a navy veteran, I absolutely respect and appreciate what the soldiers before me did. As rough as any time I had in the desert or on a ship pales in comparison to what the soldiers went through before me. My grandfather served ww2 and his carrier was hit by 2 kamakazie pilots. He survived and many did not.
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Normandy actually went incredibly well. The paratrooper deployment and artillery bombardment could have been much more effective and well timed out. That would have limited the death toll much more. But many of the invading forces faced much less resistance than the main attack on Ohmaha that people remember. The plan was really well designed and executed considering the size and logistics involved with the largest amphibious assault in history.
it would actually have been cool if it was real, the americans played as a dishonest fake actor and they engaged with the germans only after they were broken, only to virtue signal and save elite ranked citizen and army officers of the third reich from the russians who wanted justice done "saving general goebbels and his elite friends" was the real mission, "saving private ryan" is the lie that was made into a movie to whitewash it
@@Kthb80 yes I think you’re right about her approaching him for a kiss! Not sure about the cancelling bit though!! Thanks for reminding me of the origins of this great photo!! 👍
I believe it has more to do with the type of threat. WWII could be viewed as an existential threat to the free world. It was the allies against the despotic dictators. This analysis glosses over the details in order to explain the differences. It was between a conflict in a country where what was at stake was their experience and choices, vs ours as well as other nations around the globe. South Korea had a good outcome, while North Korea continues under the dictates of a despot. I haven't been back to Vietnam, but from what appears to be shown to us, is a unified nation living with peace, and enjoying some prosperity. Rationing, bond drives, and a vast call up of people to serve in the armed forces, was prevalent during WWII. During Vietnam, much of the youth was involved in creating a counter culture, a rebellion against authority. I was an anomaly because I volunteered during an unpopular trend against serving in the military. Draft dodging became the thing to do. I've written quite a bit about my own experiences (1971-75 USMC) which doesn't necessarily make me qualified but knowing many WWII vets, I could compare their experience to ours.
It's a common misconception given the pop-history optics of the situation, but the majority of forces in WW2 were draftees and the vast majority to serve in Vietnam were volunteers. The difference between WW2 and Vietnam and every war since is a clearly defined condition of victory. Hitler dead or imprisoned, unconditional surrender of their armed forces. When I was in Iraq it was find and destroy WMD's, then it was kill or capture Sadam, then it was I dunno, drive around until you get bombed or shot at then shoot back.
War is still a racket. General Butler's words are just as valid today as they were in the 30s. The gliders were used because whole squads could land together, with their gear. Paratroopers tend to scatter, which means time has to be spent assembling and fumbling for their drop kits.
The greatest stories have come from men I’ve met who have served. Guys who continue to get up and go to work well into their 70s and 80s. These are men I look up too and absorb every bit of information they want to bless me with. They know what it truly means to live!
My uncles, great uncle fought on Omaha, my uncle one day sat him down and showed him SPR the Dday scene, It was to much for him they had to turn it off. Pid Kennedy, was his name he fought threw the whole war and even killed a high ranking german officer took his gun a double barrel shotgun with ivy, swastikas all that on it (awesome gun to see in person) sent it home to his cousin stationed at fort brag in different pieces so he didn't get caught . It's one of the coolest things I've ever seen or touched. Ww2 vets and what they did can't ever be forgotten.
One thing that changed drastically post WWII was the rise of both the MIC and a permanently entrenched military that stopped relieving commanders in the theater of war. In WWII Generals, Colonels, Majors, Captains and lieutenants were relieved as a matter standard operating proceedure for wide array of reasons from just rote incompetance to socio political reasons that had nothing to do with performance but could be related to specific personality differences among and between allied commanders. Many generals were releived in WWII who later went on to do spectacularly in other combat situations. Indeed their being releived often put them in better positions for success overall and to be relieved was not necessarily viewed as failure. A general might be better suited to working in certain theaters with specific logistical and personel requirments than others. Diplomacy might be needed in one theater whereas in another a hard ass approach was needed under completely different circumstances. This casual approach to relieving commanders was essential to allied victory in WWII. But that all went away post 1947 and the accountability piece went away as well as did the willingness to stick out ones neck within the ranks. In WWII you could make mistakes, be relieved and it wasn't career ending. Indeed that was normal. Post 1947 that changed very quickly and being relieved was now career ending. This led to the bureacritization of the command structure in the military where mistake after mistake or a wrong command fit for a specific theater is never actually admitted to individually. You wound up with quasi political operatives instead of the best leaders for the given situation.
There was a clear enemy or enemies in WWII but in Vietnam there was a murky, political "reason" to be there, the soldiers were forced to take the brunt of the anger and hate of the political disruption. The men I knew who fought in WWII just put their heads down and went back to their lives, they endured the suck and never talked about it. The men from Vietnam talked more about their issues and experiences and required my help. Now the Desert Storm and Afghanistan troops require, and deserve, more help and care. People have changed so much in three generations, the men of WWII internalized and buried their trauma and fears.
The use of gliders was to reduce cost... alleviating shortages in materials... and improving efficiency (ie more boots on ground using fewer resources) One powered plane could tow and launch many gliders (one at a time... not all at once) and return to base to do the same thing the next day or the next week.
I appreciate those like this guy that can handle watching these movies and feeling appreciative rather than falling into a ball of a bawling mess. Its hits me personally so hard I become depressed for days! My dad is a Vietnam Vet.
Eisenhower's farewell speech gets so misrepresented these days. Yes he was lamenting the money wasted on military hardware, but he also explicitly blamed the international aggression by communists for making that necessary. The latter part gets conveniently omitted when people bring it up today. Our impressions of the differences between WWII and Vietnam also are often based on misrepresentations. Vietnam had a much higher ratio of volunteers to draftees, especially in actual combat units. And yet WWII is often represented as largely fought by volunteers, and Vietnam represented as being largely fought by conscripts, despite the reality being the opposite.
"WWII is often represented as largely fought by volunteers" In what world is this true? I have never in my life met someone who thought WW2 was fought primarily by volunteers.
The thing you’re forgetting about those stats is that if you joined voluntarily, you could choose where you went. If you were drafted, you had less of a choice.
"international aggression by communists" what if a nation wants to be communist? how can then America enact aggression to remove it? It's like if your neighbor wants to be nudists and you go about trying to burn his house down.
A big difference is in Vietnam especially, that before WWII we knew what we were fighting for and people didn't question it. During Vietnam a good sized portion of soldiers didn't know why they were fighting after a few months. When soldiers are protesting the wars they fought in when they return it turns everything on its head
"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the loses of lives."~ US Marine Corps Major General Smedley D. Butler two time medal of honor recipient. (1935)
Too true, and unfortunately America profits way to much when it comes to global conflicts, they dominate weapon exports and their "military aid" comes at the cost of centuries of debt, Good luck Ukraine ur better off Russian... the UK only just finished paying the USA in 2020 for their aid in ww2.... and they only helped because Russia decided to help us and Germany was no longer the biggest threat but the threat of an entire continent being communist friendly They knew pearl harbor was going to happen , just think about it, pearl harbor took place December 7th, the instigator that bought us into the war December 6th was the day Russia fought back Germany , one hell of a coincidence especially since many claim they knew of the harbor attack before hand
As a kid who has been to both of those places, I agree it gives u a good prospective and deeper connection with that generation and patriotism as a whole
Even the foundation he was laying out about the change in the military structure after WWII, which I think was all he was doing (though I haven't watched the whole episode) is something I don't normally hear even acknowledged when people are comparing those wars. As for the people who seem willing to just forfeit; clearly they aren't concerned with what was sacrificed by countless, mostly nameless people, but it's both even more (or less) than that. They don't even have a clue what exactly it is they're willing to forfeit. If you let someone give you whatever their virtue signaling reasons as to why they're willing to give it up (right/freedom) to protect someone's feelings, and they will just contradict themselves a half dozen times before they even finish with their own monologue. They'll talk about taking away a particular right, in order to protect the very same right, that's just in a different context (usually ideological). If they can't even be bothered to know what little they pretend to know, how could they be expected to think about what happened to secure it to begin with.
Dr. Kellogg, yes that American, wrote studies on Eugenics that gave the Nazis permission to believe in a master race. Do we find complications in medical research clouding our day to day understanding of our lives in current politics? Do government contractors make MUCH higher profits selling to the military than the open market? You bet.
@@timwhite5562 ....That's because you refuse to connect a solid reason to use deadly force to encourage peace. We teach our children to use violence as a last resort, yet constantly portray adults acting the opposite way in our media. You think that Countries control Corporations, because you don't see the East India Trading Company on any trucks, billboards, or stock exchanges. You don't hear stories of Hitler's generals concerned with an American Jew holding vast stock in Focke Wolfe. It doesn't fit the narrative of Good vs. Evil. Chosing to kill another person changes how the brain works. That is the Evil. Don't be confused.
@@truthsRsung it's because you're trying way too hard to make connection fit so that you can say this rambling piece that isn't even tangentially connected to the comment. Dont be confused? This whole piece is confused, half of it doesn't even seem to linked to itself, you're all over the place.
As an Iraq war veteran, I appreciated all the support from our citizens. Especially the elderly. When I came home they waited at the airport to greet us, and offered us cell phones to call our families. God Bless them. I'll always remember them for doing that. And the people of Shannon Ireland gave us a standing ovation while walking with our stuff to and from the terminal. The bar tender gave us all two for one specials. And a shot of whiskey was a full glass tumbler to the brim. If you can imagine how much two of those and 2 pints of Guinness in 10 minutes affected us. . . But what I really felt bad about was knowing that Vietnam veterans didn't receive the love and support we did. And the level of support for WW2 veterans was awesome, except for the African American war veterans not receiving the same benefits during that time. Which it's utterly disgusting to me! I love all of my veterans with all of my heart and admiration. God Bless you all. One visit home, I was at a Denny's with my father, wearing a Marine PT sweatshirt. I seen a Vietnam veteran out the corner of my eyes and couldn't stop looking over at him and his wife, as they were eating. He had a veterans hat on. So I walked over to his booth, and told him thank you so much for his service, and that his sacrifice meant a lot to me. I paid for their meal, and shook his hand. Later he and his wife came over to my booth, and he tried to speak to me about something but couldn't get his words out as he started to cry. I didn't miss a beat. I stood up fast, and wrapped my arms around him. I told him it's okay, and that I completely understand, and told him "I love you brother", and he'd always be remembered by me and my Marines. That he is appreciated, and viewed with honor. He quivered in my arms, so I hugged him tighter. He wiped his eyes, and said thank you about 3 more times. His wife looked so very proud of her husband, and so happy that someone like me praised him, and thanked him with a brothers love.
@@PascalLuchs Thank you. It was actually quite moving emotionally, and highly motivating. ATM I've been doing two things. Going to UW for college classes, and simultaneously caregiving for my disabled and elderly mother after 5 near death health emergencies. So life is busy and stressful. But I'm happy to be the one caring for her, because she's living with me now, which takes a huge load off my worry about her, knowing I'm there to react immediately when she needs help. Versus an assisted living or nursing home environment. Which in the past has been traumatic experience for her with abuses. Although my life is pretty much on hold til I can find a way to more for myself and starting a family of my own has been my only dream since I was 7 or 8 years old.
Popular culture does indeed play a part. One of the many reasons WWII and that generation is held in such high regard and romanticized awe is precisely because of the art that followed it. The Longest Day is a perfect example. The U.S. was depicted as the good guys and the efforts and sacrifices of those that fought and those that struggled at home as noble. Compare post WWII art to that of Korea, Vietnam, and WWI and you see an entirely different view of war, those that fight, the justness of cause, the willingness of the civilian population to sacrifice for the effort, etc. I don't think that is coincidental in terms of the way our society now views those conflicts as a whole.
@@iank3924 I don't think "empire building" is accurate in either WWI, Korea, or Vietnam. It's pretty clear our influence was advanced most by WWII as were our territories and/or military installations. Much like in WWII, we delayed our entry into the WWI significantly in comparison to the other major powers. And, much like in WWII, we were indeed attacked first in WWI. Nor, do I believe the intent was to occupy North Vietnam. Valid or not, I do believe the aim was to stem the influence of the USSR. Being attacked, as we were in WWII, helped garner civilian support without question, but it's an inaccuracy to suggest we gained no territory as a result of military action. Furthermore, I never suggested popular culture and art were the only reasons for us holding WWII, and those that fought, in high esteem but there is no question that the art, particularly from those that fought, following WWI and Vietnam painted the respective military actions in both cases as being primarily negative.
Romantizing too much can also be called propaganda in fact some of the most interesting movies have been those that have dared to deal with controversial subjects. One movie that i still consider to be one of the best vietnam movies is Apocalypse Now even veterans said it captured the insanity of that war.
We lost Vietnam, that's the difference. As an army veteran from the sweet spot era between Grenada and Desert Storm I can say that my experience was good, but I got out just in time. War is hell and I'm glad I didn't have to go through it.
So true, the vets of ww2 built this country up, and their kids tore it down. I agree that we shouldn’t have been in Vietnam but the way veterans were treated was absolutely horrendous. That anger should have been directed at the politicians and never at the troops who don't have a choice.
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I used to work at a gas station when I was younger and I had a customer who was this older black man who would tell me stories about his time in Vietnam. One day during one of his stories I shook his hand and said thank you for your service because I know you guys got treated horribly when you came back so I want to show gratitude for what you guys went through. He started crying in middle of the store very quietly and said “thank you young man that means so much to me, no one has ever said that to me before”.
Wow that broke my heart reading your comment.
Very sad.
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Wow. The men that went over there went to protect their brothers next to them and us. The government is the only one in the US Military with ulterior motives.
Didn’t happen
We shouldn’t have been in Vietnam but the way veterans were treated was absolutely deplorable.
I found thank welcoming home those vets makes an impact on the ones who were forced to go. They never got that back then
I have mixed feelings about Vietnam, but holy crap did we make a huge mistake when we stopped sending supplies and weapons to the ARVN.
We shouldn't have went 80% of Vietnamese were going to follow Ho Chi Minh who happen to be a communist making winning such a war impossible but the US was justified to defend people who didn't want to be made slaves under a communist system. For example the US was 100% justified in Korea yet the situations are very similar to Vietnam with the main exception being many Koreans didn't want to fall under communist rule.
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My grandfather went into Normandy on a glider behind the lines with the 82nd Airborne. He was a SSgt. and he only ever said that he did his job just like everyone else. I hope they all know just how special what they did was. RIP grandpa 1921-1999.
God bless him. Respect ✊🏻
My grandfather was at Normandy, too. He never talked about it but he did just what the speaker said -came back, started a successful business, raised a great family. I'm not sure how he escaped ptsd or any vices but he and many did. I think they were appreciated, had faith, knew it was a just cause and just moved on.
Exactly, now you have these DOUCHE@#@s who come back and jockey to take credit for "being the guy to kill Osama Bid Laden" and movies like "The Sniper" that glorify as sharpshooter who didn't do anything remarkable other than "his job". Nothing like the men of old. Look at these 2 "MACHO MEN" smoking cigars acting like they know what they are talking about.
My grandpa was at Normandy too, crazy to think how young they were, young brave but terrified boys, fighting off an American invasion
Salute to your grandfather. He was a badass! 👏🏼✊🏼
There's a guy in my town we call "mean Gene". He's now 99 years old and is a WWII vet. He watched his son commit suicide by gun in his driveway, lost his wife of 70 years to cancer and had a major stroke that has since paralyzed his left arm and nearly all of his left leg but he can still get around with a cane. He served in the Pacific theatre. Anyhow, Gene was on a transport ship and the Japanese pilots would come down real low almost to the water line and use our transport ships as shields from the gunships because they sat higher in the water and would come up over the tops of our lighter less important ships to attack the more important ones. Gene would stand on the open deck of his transport ship and throw potatoes at the Japanese Zero pilots. I don't think the reaper will take this man for fear of him.
Sounds like a guy who lost everything that's worth it. My condolences.
I love you Gene. When Men were Men seems like an appropriate sentence right now
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To come from hell and back and watch his son not make it is a different type of hell these Old timers were different
there’s an 80 year old man that lives in a home behind my apartments and occasionally he runs around naked…he has dementia from when he served in vietnam as a tunnel rat…
I love what he said in the beginning about language. It reminds me of something that George Carlin said. "They want to control your language because that's how you control thought. Because we do think in language. So the quality of our thoughts, actions and ideas can only be as good as the quality of our language." I just felt like I had to point that out.
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Good point
Excellent observation 👌.
Very McKennaian
Thanks a lot Biden
I worked in a VA hospital in the late 80’s, my patients were the remaining WW2 vets. It was one of the best experiences of a 37 year nursing career! They were phenomenal men!
Truly the greatest generation
Lol they had no problems allowing 100,000 Americans to be held in concentration camps without charge or trial for the duration of the war….
2007 my first pt was on Omaha beach. Saw an old guy walking around the grocery store wearing a ww2 vet hat in march 2020.
Oh wow!!! I would have been fired because I would have stopped to talk to each of them and listen to their stories.
@@badxradxandy you don't see too many of them today. i remember even as a little kid in the late 2000s and early 2010s it was still common to see someone with a ww2 vet hat on
my neighbor, Sam Hunt, was at Pearl Harbor. He told his story when I was in my late 20s. Sam was on a minesweeper and heard the chaos above decks. He ran up to the top deck to see Japanese planes bombing and strafing. He told me he jumped back into the stairwell and knocked his front 2 teeth out. His CO came up the stairwell and threw up when he saw Sam's bloody face. He told me they were able to get underway and made it out of the Harbor. After that, I cleaned his pool, did yard work etc and wanted nothing. He wouldn't accept something for nothing and would always press 10 bucks in my hand. it was literally less than 2 bucks an hour but I knew his pride was involved so I thanked him. when he passed away, I did the same work around the house for his wife for cookies, brownies, etc. I'll never forget it and glad for it.
Respect ✊🏽
you're a good person
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen he knew full well the Japanese were going to attack that’s why the all important aircraft carriers were at sea , not even near Pearl. He needed it as an excuse to get into the war.
@@user-oy9zy4ds9m not the first time or last
@@user-oy9zy4ds9m unfortunately it’s true.
My uncle had a shit ton of medals from Vietnam, he was a green beret that was highly decorated and had a thousand yard stare anytime I ever saw him. My cousin and I one time asked him what it was like and he looked both of us directly in the eyes and said we’d never hear about it from him. Definitely got the vibe he’d seen some shit. RIP Uncle wayne…
My grandma’s third husband was a crew chief on the AC-47 and he would rarely tell stories. If he had a few drinks he would say a few things but not a lot
I'm sorry. Maybe it was your age....too young. You should have asked him 18+. I've been through some shit and if it had an impact on me or a valuable lesson, it's going to be in your head regardless. That "I'll never tell you about it" especially if it's a meaningful lesson/insight usually means they were changing the tires and didn't have a necklace made of ears or you are too young. Death before your eyes, even a stranger is a tragedy.
Honestly, I think soldiers should be 35+ cuz I would trade my life 10 times over for that of an 18,19 year old who hasn't had a chance at life yet. But, they need them young and impressionable minds otherwise
America + Pol Pot killed 5 million SE Asians via a false flag bombing their own ship then jumped and destabilized Central/South America cuz it's fun. Then the middle East.....twice. Next is Africa then back to Europe Again because Australia and Antarctica aren't in the destruction rotation......yet.
@@jamesowens2675 What you said really made me think. It's true though. I'm not a vet but I've seen death and other terrible things because growing up in US inner city. I can't imagine the full brutality of what soldiers in combat deal with. Especially when it goes beyond conventional warfare and women and children get involved. It has happened in every modern war. Imagine storming Berlin and some 13 year old scared kid is pointing a rifle at you, how do you handle that? I don't know what I'd do. Probably try to talk him down and get killed lol. My grandads were in Korea and Pacific ww2, it destroyed them both with alcohol. Wish I could get some wisdom from them, but evidently there was none. Just pain.
Poor man and management
What a sucker
my grandfather was in ww2, the korean conflict, and vietnam. he was a proud american. even though he said he didnt think everything the government did was right, and that they needed to take better care of the men and women who serve, he was proud to be an american mostly because of the bonds he formed with men and women in the service. he was raised by racist people, in a racist area, but he military completely changed him. he said you didnt care what color the men were next to you, only whether or not they had your back. and they did. they had eachothers backs. brothers in arms, truly. rest in peace grandpa, i wish i had been more mature while you were around, to ask you more about your life experiences.
Amen. Rest in peace.
I feel that way about both my Grandpas. Was too young to ask them the important questions and now it’s too late.
ggs my friend
Jack Carr has an unrealistic and mythical perception of history. America was not this great country that "never whined' or "stuck together " to get things done. We had serious problems...
-There were 4,000 strikes during WWII.
- there were race riots throughout the war beginning in 1942
- Black servicemen returning from Europe and the Pacific were attacked by racist lynch mobs in the South
- Hollywood released films that dehumanized the Japanese and films that portrayed black soldiers as incompetent cowards.
- Women who worked in traditionally male jobs were fired en-masse to to accommodate returning GIs after the war ended
I don’t want to live in Mexico… am I racist ?
My dad took me to Normandy and Ohama Beach when I was around 10 (22 now). I remember it so well, the mass burials with crosses and bunkers. At that time it didn’t really hit me because I was too young, but looking back at it man… Wow. So grateful for those unimaginably brave men who fought for OUR freedom, something we take for granted so much nowadays. Taking yourself through the experience of imagining what that was like really changes your view of the world. I’m so grateful my dad took me there to do just that when I was younger.
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@@tac6044 take a look at yourself brother
The majority of these men were from poor backgrounds and their families and friends are still poor. Wars are rich people fighting other rich people using poor people as fodder for the cannons.
They weren't necessarily brave.
Just drafted.
He’s right, somehow we stopped holding our politicians accountable. I never liked Nixon but he had the decency of resigning, and that’s respectable.
Ironically did exactly the same thing as LBJ did but just didn't have the press in his corner.
If he'd knew how politics were played in today's world, he would of stayed 💯
Wasn’t Nixon responsible for going behind the back of the American government and LBJ’s administration and talking to the South Vietnamese? And didn’t he essentially extend the war by years as he (or his associates) told them not to accept a peace deal?
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The initial question at the beginning of the clip was inadvertantly answered I feel. You can describe all of these heroic events and battles in WW2, the difference between it and conflicts like Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Syria, etc. is those conflicts are long, drawn out, and fought for unclear reasons to the public and without any definable end goal in mind.
The real difference: we were the liberating force in WW2, and the occupying force in Vietnam
Difference is a military conflict and total all out war. WW2 was the last time a western country was at total war. People don't understand what total war means.
Yup
also, we won WWII
What? North Vietnam would only take the South by force. Not that we shouldve been there of course
The US only liberates for their own gain. The whole world knows that
My father and his brothers from Kansas decided that it was their duty
to fight for our country and join the Navy right after Peral Harbor.. Dad was sank twice the last he was the sole survivor. He got out in 1945 then went to being a sheriff. 1948 dad reenlisted into into the Army and served during the Korean war. Dad stayed in the Army and saw 3 tours of Vietnam 1st Cav active combat. Purple, bronze, etc... While stationed in Seoul I was born. My mother and her family were refugees from the Korean war. Dad was a big man at 6'4 300+. Dad was a gentle man that loved his country. When I was little I asked about how come the Vietnam war was so bad and horrible (Vietnam flashbacks) and the others wars were not? He told me this a few times that during WW2 we had nothing but the dirt under us. When WW2 broke out it was duty to our country. And said that he had 3 meals a day, fresh clothes and $44 dollars in his pocket. We fought an enemy and we won with the world celebrated. Then the soldiers came home, got the GI bill got homes and started the families. The children of those families grew up with so many new and modern things, High School, automobiles, Prom, drive in's, surfing, ColorTV, etc.. The American dream. Then throw an 19 year old kid with a M16 into the jungles of southeast Asia. I miss my father.
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He was sunk twice… in the army? Then served in Korea… 2 years after re-enlisting? Then did 3 tours (combat tours at that) in Vietnam as, what, a 50 year old? Air cavalry. I call BS dude
@@suckmyass3569 well, reading comprehension doesn't seem to your strong suit. Regardless of the stories validity. He said he joined the NAVY after pearl harbor, amd was sunk twice. Then he went on and enlisted in the army. That's the best I can dumb it down, lmk if it helped.
@@suckmyass3569 its says navy...then reinlisted (Isn't edited either) that's how it was dude. Probably was like 18 if that when he joined. Alot of people in the navy where minors they cared less. I wouldn't be surprised if he was drafted into the army like a lot of others. But to end on a joke maybe it was the usa peoples army navy lol
No disrespect to your dad's service But, the Vietnam war wasn't about kids not having the same will tonight because they grew up better....That's idiotic. It's apparent that it was a massive lack of support from the home front and from any allies. The media fueled a fire back home that was the opposite of how the nation came together during WW2. The men have always been every bit as capable,if not more, as generations pass. How the home land backs a war has a massive impact on how efficient it is in war. Funding and recruiting were massive bonuses during WW2. That was a good but different during Vietnam...You're father was and is a hero, I just don't agree with the Vietnam generation not growing up hard scrabble enough making a difference.
Whenever I see a Vietnam vet I always shake their hand and say welcome home. It honestly is the best feeling seeing their faces afterwards
My grandpa was a battle vet from ww2 he was born 11-11-1919 he had bad PTSD he slept with a loaded 357 under his pillow he would tell us crazy stories about how after they took the beach his tank driver had lost his mind and would drive over the bloated bodies to hear them pop and all the men had to tie him up. He went into the war a racist and by the time he came out he realized how foolish his beliefs really were. Made him question God and everything he was taught his whole life. Rest easy pop.
My grandpa served as well he used to sleep with his rifle next to the bed, I could remember his PTSD kicking in a few times he would hop up and do a full march and salute, then go bizerk glad my grandma took the bullets a long time ago.
Did he stop being racist
@@danschumacher5427 I'd say about 90 percent yea. He still would stereotype people He definitely tried his hardest to change. I mean he was born in Texas around the kkk, My aunt married a Mexican guy and have 3 kids by him and he loved his granddaughters very much by the time he passed I'd say he wasnt racist at all.
Id be glad the tank driver was on his side
@@jakecozzz1040 he was definitely STILL racist, being 'racist' doesn't automatically mean bad person though. De-program & re-educate yourself bud.
One difference in particular that stands out between WW2 and Vietnam was _who_ fought. In WW2, all social classes served, but for Vietnam, it was largely working-class Americans who couldn't get those college deferments or cushy Air National Guard assignments Stateside.
Or the large amount of black Americans drafted and fighting for our "freedoms" that they didnt receive at home. Meanwhile in ww2 they didnt really let black people serve in combat roles until the end.
Look up McNamara’s morons. Very sad
And the fact that the us had no business going to Vietnam. The Vietnamese wanted independence from French colonists and the us went to stop it. The us were the bad guys that’s the difference between ww2 and Vietnam
Also the difference was WWII Germany was the occupying and invading, bad guy force.
In Vietnam, America was the occupying, invading and bad guy force.
@@dildobaggins6937 very true!
The way we treated our Veterans from Vietnam compared to the Veterans coming from World War 2 was absolutely atrocious. This was the distinct factor in my opinion. Being a History teacher, I find extreme valuable in teaching students in the classroom this difference when discussing the Vietnam War. It was a shifting of cultures among society and the military. No Veteran should be treated in such a way.
Yup
@@redneckshaman3099 thanks for sharing buddy,not sure how its related to vets but cool
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No, it’s meaningless. We have pivoted back since 9/11 to extreme respect towards the military.
Got nothing but love for the vets. Its ashame how our government treats them. My granda fought in the korean war, he passed away this year and he was all about honoring vets. He would always make sure we honored them and even at his funeral made sure we honored the vets. When he passed away all the grand sons in our family, which is well over 25 of us got together and had a flag retirement ceremony and we all took turns burning his flag for the final time. He would always do it alone in his backyard on veterans day to honor the vets. He left an amazing legacy and now all his grandchildren, great grandchildren and great great grandchildren get to carry his legacy further.
This guy seems really passionate for someone who didn’t live through those events.
I think the difference was that in ww2 there was a clear cut villain with Hitler that needed to be stopped. I’m Vietnam a lot of the soldiers didn’t even know why they were there and what they were killing for. The soldiers were used and essentially thrown away for the interests of people who didn’t care about them at all
Sounds like Putin, the Russian soldiers that didn't know why they were there, just a "special operation".
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@Ман ван данн 🇻🇳Vietnam never invaded the 🇺🇸USA nor any of its territories though.
Plus, the Civil Rights movement came into play, which amplified the anger over unresolved issues such as discrimination against minority veterans from previous conflicts like WWII.
I've been privileged to be good friends with two Vietnam combat veterans over the decades. They are gone now. We sometimes would get drunk/fucked up and the stories they would tell were beyond anything I could ever endure. Being the pussy I am. I loved these guys. They didn't serve together, but were Marine Force Recon, one tall and muscular and the other short and built like a bull. Both were generous and outgoing, but you could see the inner pain they carried. Both had crazy experiences as well as painful struggles in that war with the scars to prove it. I'm talking last man alive stuff. Our government shit on these brave men and still has a long way to go to make it right for everyone who serves in combat for America.
Can you share some of their stories? Obviously no names but I’m curious
@@trogman43988 +1 I'd also be interested to hear their stories related.
@@trogman43988 I'm not a good storyteller, and those guys were captivating, if only for the authenticity of their experiences. One told me of the time he was assigned to a "shotgun squad" way up North to assassinate a high-ranking NVA officer. He simply knocked on the guy's door at night and blew him away.
While moving to their extract they were ambushed and got into hand-to-hand combat. When it was over he was alone and covered in blood and the guys he was with dead.
He made it back to the base and what he remembered most was taking off his bloody and torn uniform, reaching into a pocket, and pulling out a human finger. He just sat there looking at it and laughed like a madman.
He was one of the most calm, intelligent, and friendly men I've known. And was successful as well in his career. Agent Orange eventually murdered him.
Great valor from those 2 friends of yours! Don't let anyone mislead you to think Vietnam War was useless. Hindsight is always 20/20. Without US forces, currently free and prosperous South Korea wouldn't exist today. Vietnam situation was exactly the same, but the Vietnam's landlock geography ultimately make the massive infiltration of North Vietnamese Commie terrorists from Ho Chi Minh Trail via Laos and Campuchia's porous borders exponentially harder to control than the situation in South Korea. I always thank Vietnam vets for their services.
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Vietnam vets were treated the worst when they came home which really was something sad to learn
Yea after we tried to drug the viernamese we did it to ourselves. under raegan he gave them opium and then gave our citizens drugs in us the clinton implements laws against the same drugs they brought in the fucking country and used in viernam in china in africa. All over over the works our government corrupts. Theyll destroy this planet in an attempt to control it
Rightfully so!
@@yalbad5160 yeah because it’s not the government who ordered all the messed up things to happen. They are perfect. Like the song war pigs go “politicians hide themselves away. They only started the war. Why should they go out to fight? They leave that all to the poor” the next time you have a thought just let it go.
I am 26 and already medically retired from the Army after serving in Iraq & Syria. I miss the brotherhood but I also miss the ones we lost. I really don’t know what to do with my life now since it feels like I have no purpose but I just try to live on for the ones who didn’t make it
Keep pushing soldier, you got people believing in you, things get better big dawg. stay blessed!
hoorah dont you ever give up your not pushing daisies yet
I’d like to give my Thanks to you and your Brothers in arms. You guys really go far above the call of duty, wish you the best Sir.
You're young, you'll figure it out. Stay active
I think purpose isn't always something that's found. Sometimes you have to give yourself the purpose and reason for getting up out of the bed. Do some honest reflection about what you love and how you can turn that into a profitable job. You like being pf service and helping others? Then being a cop or fireman might be right up your alley. Interested in putting things together and building stuff? Then maybe a job in the trades or going to school for engineering is the right fit. If you're suffering from depression or PTSD please don't bottle that up. There are lots of helpful medications and therapists out there that can give you the tools you need to get through. Keep your head up man, even the darkest night eventually gives way to dawn.
Honestly I don't understand why he couldn't put his finger on it. It feels insincere, considering he should know better. We entered WWII after we were attacked; prior to that the country was mixed on whether or not Axis aggression should be confronted directly. Vietnam was a twisted side-step into a gruesome conflict with motivations that were questionable at best, and confusing to citizens.
‼️‼️ 100%
.The “Why” of WWII was simple, but the “Why”s of Korea and Vietnam required two weeks of Indoc…
@@K33176 But can easily be summarized as "commies bad"
FDR knew the Japanese were going to attack , the aircraft carriers were all at sea …..
We occupied Vietnam since the ‘50s but we officially went into war after the Tonkin Gulf Incident
WWII was the last war that people generally feel was justified
I agree.That's how I've always viewed WW II,as well.
Agreeable now we go into countries for gold and oil and take other peoples rights live how they want all in the name of “freedom” even though The government wants to spread their Imperialistic ideals across the world
Not Korea?
I don't understand why we don't view Korea the same way we view WWII
Korea was
My father and my friend's father were both in WW2. My friend's father won the silver star for rescuing a wounded soldier during a fire fight. He said he didn't do anything more than many others did. The mindset of those soldiers fascinates me. To overcome the terror in their mind and function like that. We have lost the greatest generation.
he did alot more than many others if he got a silver star
My respect for past soldiers shot threw the roof after my history class in college. Reading world history, war, and what those young men at the time went through really put things into perspective for me. I hope I’m able to teach my kids the same as he did with his little girl, what that generation did for us I will forever be appreciative and thankful for.
The men who fought against them were a 1000 braver.
My dad is an army vet from Vietnam.. He's recently been able to get into a vet's retirement home. Everyone is shocked he went to Vietnam. Sadly he's to old to visit Vietnam before he passes but I hope to go just to reconnect with the country.
He comes from my grandfather who is one of the pilots who dropped the bombs on Japan.
I definitely appreciate any military veterans in my daily life and try to help them when I can
No way you’re a descendant of one of the first atomic bombers.
Not sure how to separate a bad war from a good soldier. It's like saying a random mass murderer of children (like Columbine shooters) in a school is a good person, just happened to be fighting a bad war. Personal responsibility somehow doesn't apply to murders if the victims are poor enough.
My grandpa was the other guy who dropped the bomb
"my family is a lineage of war criminals and I hope they can see the the countries they bombed once again"
@@gottago1885 I mean, that's not really anything to feel proud about. I watched a doc on the bombing, several actually, and they always finish with "I wish there was another way" or "I would strangle myself before having to drop a bomb again."
The thing is, I love Japanese people, I love their culture, I like the people, I even like some of the food and storytelling.
However, if you ever told someone who was Japanese, and who was a kid or teen during WWII, they wouldn't think very highly or kindly to us.
Their were normal, kind, innocent people that were killed by our American people because of an order given by a government that gave up on any other way to end the war and, in the end, decided on a war that was only ended when that government's own people finally decided to overthrow the dictators their leaders had become.
He’s absolutely right, it’s all a big business, everything is about money now
You do a lot for money, right?
What would you do for a klondike bar?
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Things were not about money before now?
My teenage kid said this to me and it's something that sticks in my head and makes so much sense to me.
"Intelligent animals in zoos look so sad and depressed, and I see that today in society. It's like we've all been tricked into building our own little zoos, our own little pen. I don't think we are built/designed to live like this."
Interesting observation from your kid.
Man that kid is way ahead of most adults!!
This’ll be unpopular in sure, but that reminds me of Foucault.
That is the very best trait that children possess, their ability to see through the B.S. that Adults spew.
We break ourselves when we buy into the narrative, to fit in.
People consider me broken because I refused to believe that my Dad's dog tags should list a religion.
I am sure that anyone who picks up a gun to solve their problems isn't Religious.
@@BasedAurelius ...We called the original Snow Birds, SAVAGES, then asked for their help writing the Constitution.
Those who lived here before whitey maintained the land with a gentle touch, while we muscle our way thru Nature.
Natives managed controlled burns in arid climates so they wouldn't get caught in wild fires.
Today we build homes in those same areas and watch homeowners cry about fireworks or campfires ruining their life.
Any botonist would have advised against a subdivision based solely on the plants growing there, like any frontiersman, or founding father.
We have forgotten the basics.
Food
Water
Shelter
Love
No reason to count past four.
I think that as soon as war became profitable, conflicts became easy to justify
My grandfather was in the marines in the Vietnam war and was very open about telling his stories. Among the hell they went through there and here after I just cannot imagine. That is why it is absolutely crucial to thank a Vietnam veteran for their service. They never got that thank you.
My father, (i'm the 5th kid) luckily got to see me before he left for his 3rd time to Vietnam. Went through a lot and hasn't said much, but now at 85 he's finally relaxed enough to actually laugh now.
Thank you for invading a foreign country and killing Vietcong I guess?
@@Chester_Oliver my grandfather is still getting his agent orange check monthly. I have to say the side effects of that are nasty- I have multiple cousins/ aunts/uncles that have emotional issues, even one with autism and there is no history of that in the family. Definitely messed with our “gene pool” a bit.
Thank for what? For bombing poor people to fight against the ghost of communism? United States is a JOKE.
My Grandfather was a Cannoneer during the Second World War. He hit the Normandy beach 1.5 days after the first wave. He, and his brethren, fought from France to Belgium and finally Germany. He was at the Battle of the Bulge and was part of the liberation of Dachau. The stories he told will stay with me until I die. I cannot imagine how it would be to live through it in person. But, I'm so very proud of him and his Generation. God Bless each and every Veteran. Thank you for your service.
My grandfather was too young to be in ww2 but his father (my great grandfather) was in WW1 and he served in the Meuse-Argonn offensive which was one of the last (if not the last) big offensive in WW1. That battle lasted 47 days. I also think it is the deadliest battle in American history. Over 340,000 casualties. I can’t remember if that was just Americans though… might be a total count in the 47 days.
And my dad told me he asked the man what it was like being young and naive at the time. The 96 year old man burst into tears. My dad later found out his grandfathers best friend was in the trenches with him got shot and he had to watch his friend suffer, die…. Then rot on the battlefield for days.. used his corpse as shelter..….….I couldn’t even imagine.
(he was very old when he had my grandfather)
My father-in-law was in Normandy. He was in the 7th wave. He told me that the first and second wave was destroyed, no one survived. By third wave a few made it to the beach. And little by little they made progress. Crazy……
Crazy thing is is there was survivors from the 1st and 2nd wave 😳
@@babyfarksmgeezaks1037 Well I'm sure he didn't see them. All he saw was disaster.
My grandpa was part of a group of 200 US marine tunnel rats along with 700 combined arms. He was spit on he was called names when he returned & while Howard stern gloats of wearing body parts as a trophy my grandfather is rotting away in his room from PTSD & dementia he gathers all the kitchen knives and hides them under his bed sheets on his bed and sleeps In a chair. He was a POW for 1 year and is only 78.
I hate what Vietnam took from my papa
I'd "like" your comment, but it does not feel appropriate. I am so sorry for your grief.
Thats fucked up what happened to your papa. lets also imagine what it did to the Vietnamese. Children are still being born with birth defects from all the bombs and poison we dropped.
Where was he based?
@@MP-tj5xv didn’t comment for you my g. Thanks tho
@@matthoward7645 Camp Pendleton Oceanside California
I work in retail and I see a Vietnam vet almost everyday and I make sure to always shake their hand, thank them for their service and welcome them home because they didn’t get that when they came back.
Go Home G.I.
@@nielsen9458 Hanoi Hannah has joined I see
@@nielsen9458 too bad because of a lie in the gulf Tonkin and the draft many young G.I. couldn’t go home
Except the 'mistreatment of Vietnam vets' is a wildly overstated story, bordering on urban legend.
@@krausewitz6786 greatful dead fan would say something idiotic like that
I met a few Tuskegee airman when I was younger and it was an incredibly impactful moment in my youth. I still remember them years later and I have so much respect for the generation that took on hell and won.
Hell on two fronts! And then they liberated concentration camps, I cannot fathom the horror of that
As a kid, I got to know a guy who was a belly gunner in the Pacific during WWII. He always noted that he shot down plans with a Mitsubishi symbol on them and we now have cars in the US with that symbol. I wish I knew him when I'm older so I could appreciate his stories more but he passed away years ago.
So this gentleman's answer to the question is " i don't know " . If you don't know without uncertainty who the enemy is , how can you fight him with vigor ? Things changed when uniforms were no longer worn by your combatant . They are nowhere , they are everywhere .
My grandpa was in WW2 Navy on the Mona Island. My dad was drafted in the Army in Vietnam (MP K-9 Sentryman). Even the feel of the stories were so different. My dad suffered a lot after coming home.
To see what is happening in America today is an absolute slap in the face to all who have fought and died for the country.
I agree 100%. Democrats have totally disrespected everything this great country stands for.
Man shutup
What’s happening today?
@@DMM1840 victimhood, woke, and lgbtq culture over patriotism
@@DMM1840 nothing at all. Pull back up your mask and go asleep.
My great grandfather fought in Africa, Italy, Normandy, and then went on to the Pacific. The amount of respect and interest i have in these men and history is immense. God Bless America.
My grandfather ( British) fought in North Africa against the Germans too. 👍🏻
I used to work with a Vietnam vet who was drafted into the war and he said that when he came back after serving he applied for a job as a butcher and they told him that they could not hire him because he was a vet from Vietnam
He said he didn't get a heroes welcome like the men did after WW2
because WW2 was fought against Nazism and the Vietnam war was an invasion and massacre of innocent people, if I was drafted I would refuse to fight and suffer the consequences, just like Muhammad Ali, he was the real hero not the soldiers who blindly pledge allegiance to a racist and morally corrupt nation.
My mom married my step dad when I was 7 years old. He was a Huey door gunner in Vietnam. They didn’t call it PTSD back then and the VA treated it with large amounts of drugs to just make zombies out of a lot of guys. There were times he was the nicest gentlest human being I ever knew and there were times I thought he was going to kill my Mom and I. 40 years later I get it.
Problem is how to get decent normal people to become soldiers, ready to kill or be killed. Then bring them back and expect them to just shut off the recent past.
I've seen NO country really try to do the right thing with their vets. The VA got better funding under Trump, that's about it. Since covid, the VA hospitals have lost so many doctors, nurses and others. Care for vets is a joke.
My Uncle was a Sargent in the Army 2 tours in Vietnam....he was on Methadone for yrs for PSTD and ended up commiting suicide 8yrs ago unexpectedly. I blame it on the war
Both my grandfather's flew in ww2 and both were shot down. I'm glad I was alive to know them and respect for what they did. I have always been a ww2 buff. It's crazy to think that we were the last generations of people who can say we knew them. My children and their children will never know anyone who was in ww2, but almost everyone I grew up with, born in 1986 or earlier, had a grandfather they knew and was still alive who served in that war.
as we get into the 2020s and the last ww2 vets start to go ive also begun to realize we are the last generation to have met them. i was born in 2004 and have met only about 3 or 4 ww2 vets including one of my grandfathers but have been alive at the same time as millions of ww2 vets. we are very lucky to have been able to meet them but not have to have fought in the war
My great grandpa was part of the chosen few he’s told me super sad stories of how they came close to death, and how most of them lost their toes hands etc.. my grandpa even showed me his toes and there were only 3 on each… but the forgotten war isn’t talked much enough sad for what they all went through being from being ambushed to making it though the cold.. Rip all fallen soldiers
WWII felt like we were actually defending ourselves, and our allies from an evil enemy.
While the Viet Cong were no saints, fighting "the spread of communism" by ruthlessly killing them, along with their women and children just felt completely different.
Despite this, like others here have said, our veteran deserved better, it's pretty depressing to see so many veterans drugged out and homeless.
That’s the worse part about it. The viet cong were fighting the French way before the u.s got involved. The U.S could of had an allied if they backed Vietnams independence from France. Instead of inheriting their problem.
Do you think we didn't do the same to Germany and Japan?
@@bonda_racing3579 in 1945 ho chi minh wanted US support for an independent vietnam.....if china had not gone communist korea and vietnam might not have happened because the US opposed french colonialism
Why cant they own property in the United States?
The difference is that I don't have WW2 flashbacks
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Joe didn't do his research 6:52. They did bomb, shell, and drop paratroopers behind the lines. They largely missed their targets or fortifications were extremely strong.
Right? The same with the gliders, not so much Joe, but his guest seems to be the WW2 guy here. D-Day was planned insanely detailed, but the US soldiers were... how could you say without being rude - unlucky because the bombing and shelling was off and the bunkers were still very active.
Wait, pretty sure you know this, sorry.
My dad was a marine in Vietnam and my grandfather was a world war 2 vet. The difference is my dad was in killer mode every second and my grandfather was more laid back.Both killers but my dad was a bit more aggressive. They weee both superhuman though. They could fight through anything it was wild
My grandfather served in the Canadian Navy during WW2. He was a Morse code operator so to my knowledge he never killed anyone himself, but I could always sense the guilt he felt. He told me once that he wasn't proud of anything he did in the war. As much as dehumanization helps you do what war asks of you, my grandfather never forgot that the men on the other side had families too. He may not have liked talking about his service, but he did help me understand the importance of remembering what happened in the war so we can prevent another one from happening. He didn't see anything glorious about what he did. He understood war for the ugly thing that it is. I think when he started losing his memory to Alzheimer's he mentioned that he hoped it would take his memories of the war away. A part of me hopes it did.
I'm so happy someone is doing this, just to bad this is only happening now
most of the WW2 vets are gone
WW2 made the US and really anyone on that side EXTREMELY RICH and boomed our economy and tech. Our government (life long politicians) realized that. They forced the next wars, Korea, ‘Nam, Iraq, Afghan, Africa, the Middle East again…. Think about it. WW2 brought us out of the Depression and things were glorious after. Up until the 50s. We had all this military built up, thanks WW2, nothing to do with it. We seen the Russians were moving around in that region and we forced the hand. Jumped into war, the vets from WW2 thought it was their chance again along with a DRAFT. Our leaders thought that it was going to be a great turn out for $ and power flexing. It was not. Vietnam was supposed to clean up the thoughts very few had about the Korean War. Instead those people and the soldiers realized that it was a lie and were thrown into the fire because your government told you too. Every war after WW2 was for profit. Not a battle between good and evil. Those battles are long gone. It is all for profit now. That’s the DIFFERENCE between WW2 and Vietnam. The only difference that matters.
Ah the war economy and war as a business. Even now we are trying to provoke China to fire the first shot at us.
EXACTLY. America's real religion isn't Christianity. It's money
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With the exception of Afghanistan. That war was necessary.
My great grandpa and great grandma lived in Pearl Harbor when the attack happened because my great grandpa was stationed there. My great grandma was walking over to a friends house with a dish in hand because they were having a cookout breakfast, and a Japanese pilot came right at her. And she just froze. She said that her and the pilot made eye contact and he nodded and pulled up and flew over her. This was a year before they had my grandma. Which is crazy because he easily could have just fired and I wouldn’t even be here today. My mom has the pan on a shelf at her house. soldiers do indeed have some humanity.
Cap
If this is true , that’s dope , but I feel like granny prolly had a couple lil pillies and a martini before this story was recounted
Did he stop by after his runs for some breakfast also?
That’s cap they went to China to sexually assaulted women and children but this pilot froze time for your granny to look at him and nod bro he would of torn her apart why she a imperial Japanese sympathizer when she saw what they did at Pearl Harbor
What movie is this from? I seen this ending before
The gliders Joe asks about at 7:00 were used to transport troops behind enemy lines to fight alongside the paratroopers that jumped in. It was a way to bring in troops without having to have that many more planes to transport them. The gliders were much easier and quicker to build. The C-47’s carried a load of paratroopers and (some of them) towed in gliders full of troops behind them, cut them loose and the glider pilot took over control and landed them. There were lots of casualties due to glider crashes, mishaps etc. but it was still a success.
Storming the beach itself was much more difficult than planned "I think", because the weather was more fowl than expected, which made it much more difficult -- with the sighting equipment of the time -- for the Air Force bombers to target the coastal gun emplacements with reasonable accuracy. The early morning bombing runs were largely ineffective because of that and because the Germans even moved some of the massive guns around.
After the Navy ships saw the Army and Marine personnel getting slaughtered, and after being instructed by higher authority to stay a safe distance from the shore's underwater mines and obstructions designed to snag or damage ships, some of the Navy ship captains could not stand it, so they defied orders, moved closer, and started shelling the cliffs over the heads of the soldiers on the beach.
My grandfather served in the 8th Air Core in WW2. He enlisted right after Pearl Harbor and the shit that man went through, the men he lost during the bobmings of Dresden and the Invasion of the Rhineland gave him some serious PTSD that scared him for decades. The Governorment wanted him to serve in Korea and he politly told them to fuck themselves, he had lost so many frineds from the war that he couldn't fathom making more just to watch them die. He would never even talk to my dad about the war until after my father got back from his tours in the Middle East. I never got to meet my grandpa because he died before I could remember him but he was a strong man who fought for everything he had and I respect him for his sacrifice. Men like him are the reason that we call it the Greatest Generation. It was them who sacrificed everything so that we could live in a brighter future than they had been born into.
The bravery and willingness that those soldiers had to keep advancing while watching their good friends dying horrifically right beside is TRULY remarkable and unbelievable. In my opinion, the heroes that died so that the men behind them (who lived) could take over Normandy and return home to their wives and families are the true heroes. Our society today would immediately fold at the sight of Normandy that day. Our society today would not win that war. We are too fragile and too easily offended. The men at that time were strong and had thick skin
Keep in mind most of these “men” were actually 17-21
@@ZetsuboNoShima imagine 17-21 year olds now lol
@@yomama7832 I’m 19 and I know a couple friends in the service right now, I’d say they’re pretty tough kids all from rougher backgrounds than I am. The types of limp wristed pussies which are the most vocal part of our generation wouldn’t even join the military, you’re still getting tough kids who join. Not as tough as the kids from the 40s or 60s but it’s something. We fight smarter not harder now
@@ZetsuboNoShima i don't mean to be stereotypical, but how many of your friends in the service are from the city?
@@willcui4887 none, I come from a rural town where we all have been doing hard work since childhood. I do tree work myself and I’m 19, but some of my other buddies are in the service, 3 to be exact only one is an infantryman in the marines though. I don’t talk to them as much anymore since they’ve left but I know they’re some tough fuckers I’d never wanna fight
My grandfather was in the marines and his time was up and then got home and joined the navy to go back and fight WW II , I was only 10 when he passed away but that man was one of a kind and fearless
My grandmother had a boyfriend at the time who died in battle as a paratrooper. She hardly ever talked about it, but my mom told me the story and also what my grandfather did during the war, such as fighting in Germany. Both my grandfathers fought in WWII, and some of the documents and letters we found after their passing are incredible to read. Seeing some of the German soldier memorabilia they brought back to America with them still haunt me to this day.
An older friend of mine served two combat tours in the Vietnam War in the Marine Corps. He told me he was doing his patriotic duty by serving and having faith about why we were fighting. He says if he knew then what he knows now about why our country was fighting that war, he would not have enlisted.
I served in Iraq at age 18. Made me grow up fast but also respect those who faught and died before me wearing the uniform. I wasn't for the war but I sure was for my country.
Thanks for your service and bravery man! What was the scariest thing?
So. Do you think you were fighting for our freedoms or for our leaders greed
@@thunderworks1107 Hahaha you americans
@@jorgebush7519 true, hope Iraq finds peace one day
Patriotism isn't good
"The Longest Day" is a legendary CLASSIC. Must watch, no excuses.
I was in Singapore twice and I had visited some of the battlefield sites where the British troops had fought against the Japanese in 1941/42. I have yet to visit Europe but I can understand that powerful feeling of being there like that.
FRIENDLY REMINDER: 2/3 of WW2 were drafted and 1/3 volunteered. Vietnam 2/3 volunteered and 1/3 were drafted. Americans did not want to fight in WW2 but they've rewritten history with Vietnam being the draft war.
I can highly respect your position on the "rewriting of history whenever it's convenient". However, I lived through that time period, and that's not how I remember it. And I mean no disrespect to those that ultimately got drafted but, as I saw it NO ONE wanted to be drafted - including me, and they certainly didn't volunteer. Why would you, when Walter Cronkite spent the first 12 - 15 minutes of the evening news on how many Americans were estimated killed that day.
He is missing so much with what went into D-Day, every one of Hitler's intelligence officers was turned. They was in his ear and had him prepared to take on a mass invasion at a completely different spot on the direct opposite side of the island. We had created an entire force that was just inflatable tanks and stuff like that. We also flooded the sky with parachute jumpers that was just dummies, we had different kinds of technology built, like all these weird tanks that could drive up on to the blockaid areas and turn into a bridge and tanks that had these huge slapping chains to blow up the mines etc. I mean he is just missing so so much this was one of the most tactical extravaganza events in military history.
Island? The island of Europe LOL They mass of german troops were fighting the russians in the east thats why it was viable to bank on d-day.
@@IIIAJHIII Europe was an island until the imperialist US built Ukraine as a land bridge to Moscow
@@edsnotgod What on earth are you talking about.
the reason why d day was possible was because the germans were fighting.....the Russians, and had most of their armies walking towards Russia, not because of some trickery, they were stretched thin
@@jondoe8271 They were stretched thin, but they lacked two critical things too: resources and time. They were dramatically below their demographic replacement rate, and had only *5%* of the resources the Allies and Comintern held.
My grandad John Riley Walker was at Omaha Beach on D-Day. Wounded by gunshot to the arm in Carentan. He would receive two purple hearts after the war. He also visited Normandy again in the early 2010s. I wish I could talk to him being 29 now. I interviewed him for a high school project and I think he told me things he never told anybody else. The only thing he said about Saving Private Ryan was that his company didn't have bags to keep their guns dry. That was all he ever said about that day besides that he was there.
At D-Day the artillery to soften up the defense missed by a mile in land. That's why so many people died that day.
Yer, thhats the reason. Not because thhey were just cannon fodder
@@yeahman147 you’re both right
What's sad about D- Day was that was probably the BEST option. Regardless of How many were LOST. Thats what blows my mind. Knowing that was the BEST option to WIN. Fucking Wild.
@@greennimbus2519 when rogan said why didn't they soften them up with planes at first and my brain hurt
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That’s misleading, Normandy was relatively lightly defended compared to the axis defences at Calais, where the enemy thought the allies would land
Fact is anything compared to how the Soviets treated their soldiers is admirable
What the guy says as to why respect for the military is lessened, it's becuase WWII is now further and further away and also Korea, Vietnam, War on Terrorism had/has such dubious motives and unclear goals which makes people question why are they there in the first place.
And because we all have so much access to information, and we have grown up safe in the knowledge we can say a big fat "Fuck YOU" to anyone or anything we don't agree with. Back in the 30s and 40s, you did what you were told, said "Yes sir" and didn't question the official narrative. I like being free, like being able to tell anyone I like to fuck off, and won't be bullshitted into risking my life for anyone, let alone in a foreign land - it's inevitable that comes across as disrespect.
I thought it was pretty common knowledge how the US and allied forces failed logistically at Normandy by dropping the munitions meant for the enemy entirely too far from the intended lines for them to be at all effective.
But do you know why? The reason was due to bad weather…. or worse fog than they were expecting. Apparently 5 o’clock in the morning or 6 o’clock, whenever it was, visibility was horrible.
@@joshnic6639 Yup. Imagine dropping munitions and bombs, etc. without any aid of gps or coordinates. They were literally flying blind in planes in major fog while calculating based on altitude and speed with a paper map, where their drops would land. Pretty crazy when you think about fighting a war with 1940s tech.
Mainly just the US
I sent this to my 76 year old Dad who is a Vietnam Veteran, his reply was this "Nobody is accountable at the top, is so right."
At D-Day, there was a massive bombing raid that was supposed to soften up the landing beaches, but the bombers missed their target area and ended up dropping the bombs further inland. Therefore there were no craters for cover, no elimination of mines and obstacles, and no initial degradation of German forces at the beaches. That’s why the casualties were so high. It was a very costly clusterf*ck
thank you for taking the time to write this that's really interesting I always wondered why d day went how it went, all I know was we lost about 4000 troops on that Beach if I remember right
What made it a success was that we were able to convince them we were attacking somewhere else so the Germans didn’t send supplies to that area and eventually just ran out of ammo. If they had been properly supplied it probably would have failed
@@ryanhamstra49 Correct. Germans did not have the supplies to keep up landing after landing. If they did D-Day would of been an all time military disaster.
@@ryanhamstra49 Sure but the D-Day landing failing would've only prolonged the war so long, the western forces was already moving up through Italy and the soviets were closing in on that front, it was merely opening a third front.
@@xxxx-gu7bj tell me you've never seen saying private Ryan without telling me you've never seen saving private ryan
In WW2, they were fighting for good... In Vietnam, they were fighting for politicians.
You could say the first part about Vietnam and the second part about WW2 as well. Fighting against communism is a good thing. The problem is that the civilian government wouldn't let our military do its damn job.
More specifically, WW2 saw massive devastation. People thought Russia and Germany might align and roll over the rest of the earth, then Germany attacked Russia. Who would the winner come after next? With Korea, people were still riding high off winning WW2. In Vietnam, the luster was gone and people were upset we were fighting ideological wars in countries that only in the last 30 years have had an impact on global trade, against a bloc that would collapse under its own weight.
@@andyfriederichsen fighting against communism on the other side of the world is not a good thing. condemning men, women, and children to die in a country most Americans didn’t even know about at the time was not the answer. Americans preach about freedom until another country does something we don’t like.
@@DeathbatOfSpades Doesn't mean we should have stopped supplying the ARVN.
what this man does for his daughter is the best a father can do
he shows what the generations before have done wrong and how they fixed it
A lot of veterans don't look back at their fondly, because they remember the horrors to not only experienced, but the horrors they inflicted.
As a navy veteran, I absolutely respect and appreciate what the soldiers before me did. As rough as any time I had in the desert or on a ship pales in comparison to what the soldiers went through before me. My grandfather served ww2 and his carrier was hit by 2 kamakazie pilots. He survived and many did not.
The germam v2 vengeance weapon had gyroscopes, it was the first precision guided rocket. The v1 was a pulse jet bomb lanched in mass
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Normandy actually went incredibly well. The paratrooper deployment and artillery bombardment could have been much more effective and well timed out. That would have limited the death toll much more. But many of the invading forces faced much less resistance than the main attack on Ohmaha that people remember. The plan was really well designed and executed considering the size and logistics involved with the largest amphibious assault in history.
it would actually have been cool if it was real, the americans played as a dishonest fake actor and they engaged with the germans only after they were broken, only to virtue signal and save elite ranked citizen and army officers of the third reich from the russians who wanted justice done
"saving general goebbels and his elite friends" was the real mission, "saving private ryan" is the lie that was made into a movie to whitewash it
My grandad stormed the breach and served at gold beach in Normandy with the British army. A great victory for us allies 🇬🇧
imagine this guy talking in this way every moment of every day ... exhausting way to speak and exhausting to listen to.
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Your thumbnail photo was a photo I chose as one of the best historic photos for my photography assignment! Very symbolic 👍
Didn’t that lady come out and say she didn’t want to be kissed by him, didn’t the me too movement try to cancel this photo?
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I believe it has more to do with the type of threat. WWII could be viewed as an existential threat to the free world. It was the allies against the despotic dictators. This analysis glosses over the details in order to explain the differences. It was between a conflict in a country where what was at stake was their experience and choices, vs ours as well as other nations around the globe.
South Korea had a good outcome, while North Korea continues under the dictates of a despot.
I haven't been back to Vietnam, but from what appears to be shown to us, is a unified nation living with peace, and enjoying some prosperity.
Rationing, bond drives, and a vast call up of people to serve in the armed forces, was prevalent during WWII. During Vietnam, much of the youth was involved in creating a counter culture, a rebellion against authority. I was an anomaly because I volunteered during an unpopular trend against serving in the military. Draft dodging became the thing to do.
I've written quite a bit about my own experiences (1971-75 USMC) which doesn't necessarily make me qualified but knowing many WWII vets, I could compare their experience to ours.
We know how much we are lied to today. To just believe that history is almost laughable.
The Allies teamed up with despotic dictators remember that part?
It's a common misconception given the pop-history optics of the situation, but the majority of forces in WW2 were draftees and the vast majority to serve in Vietnam were volunteers.
The difference between WW2 and Vietnam and every war since is a clearly defined condition of victory. Hitler dead or imprisoned, unconditional surrender of their armed forces.
When I was in Iraq it was find and destroy WMD's, then it was kill or capture Sadam, then it was I dunno, drive around until you get bombed or shot at then shoot back.
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Thank you for your service. I was a Submariner, my son is a Marine. I have a huge respect for the Corps.
War is still a racket. General Butler's words are just as valid today as they were in the 30s.
The gliders were used because whole squads could land together, with their gear. Paratroopers tend to scatter, which means time has to be spent assembling and fumbling for their drop kits.
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The greatest stories have come from men I’ve met who have served. Guys who continue to get up and go to work well into their 70s and 80s. These are men I look up too and absorb every bit of information they want to bless me with. They know what it truly means to live!
My uncles, great uncle fought on Omaha, my uncle one day sat him down and showed him SPR the Dday scene, It was to much for him they had to turn it off. Pid Kennedy, was his name he fought threw the whole war and even killed a high ranking german officer took his gun a double barrel shotgun with ivy, swastikas all that on it (awesome gun to see in person) sent it home to his cousin stationed at fort brag in different pieces so he didn't get caught . It's one of the coolest things I've ever seen or touched. Ww2 vets and what they did can't ever be forgotten.
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One thing that changed drastically post WWII was the rise of both the MIC and a permanently entrenched military that stopped relieving commanders in the theater of war.
In WWII Generals, Colonels, Majors, Captains and lieutenants were relieved as a matter standard operating proceedure for wide array of reasons from just rote incompetance to socio political reasons that had nothing to do with performance but could be related to specific personality differences among and between allied commanders.
Many generals were releived in WWII who later went on to do spectacularly in other combat situations. Indeed their being releived often put them in better positions for success overall and to be relieved was not necessarily viewed as failure.
A general might be better suited to working in certain theaters with specific logistical and personel requirments than others. Diplomacy might be needed in one theater whereas in another a hard ass approach was needed under completely different circumstances.
This casual approach to relieving commanders was essential to allied victory in WWII. But that all went away post 1947 and the accountability piece went away as well as did the willingness to stick out ones neck within the ranks.
In WWII you could make mistakes, be relieved and it wasn't career ending. Indeed that was normal.
Post 1947 that changed very quickly and being relieved was now career ending.
This led to the bureacritization of the command structure in the military where mistake after mistake or a wrong command fit for a specific theater is never actually admitted to individually.
You wound up with quasi political operatives instead of the best leaders for the given situation.
There was a clear enemy or enemies in WWII but in Vietnam there was a murky, political "reason" to be there, the soldiers were forced to take the brunt of the anger and hate of the political disruption. The men I knew who fought in WWII just put their heads down and went back to their lives, they endured the suck and never talked about it. The men from Vietnam talked more about their issues and experiences and required my help. Now the Desert Storm and Afghanistan troops require, and deserve, more help and care. People have changed so much in three generations, the men of WWII internalized and buried their trauma and fears.
I’m assuming Because they felt they had a reason to fight compared to Vietnam vets who felt robbed of life
The use of gliders was to reduce cost... alleviating shortages in materials... and improving efficiency (ie more boots on ground using fewer resources)
One powered plane could tow and launch many gliders (one at a time... not all at once) and return to base to do the same thing the next day or the next week.
I appreciate those like this guy that can handle watching these movies and feeling appreciative rather than falling into a ball of a bawling mess. Its hits me personally so hard I become depressed for days! My dad is a Vietnam Vet.
Whenever I think my life sucks I think back to the WW2 and Vietnam days and immediately suck it up😂 Could always be worse
Hell, look back to the 1970s, life was pretty bloody grim then. Or even the 1990s - dial-up modems, FFS!
I remember saying “welcome home” to a Vietnam veteran, all I remember is him saying “I have never been or ever will be back home from Vietnam, son.”
I’m sure every Vietnam veteran would rather have fought France for Vietnam rather than fight vietnam
Eisenhower's farewell speech gets so misrepresented these days. Yes he was lamenting the money wasted on military hardware, but he also explicitly blamed the international aggression by communists for making that necessary. The latter part gets conveniently omitted when people bring it up today.
Our impressions of the differences between WWII and Vietnam also are often based on misrepresentations. Vietnam had a much higher ratio of volunteers to draftees, especially in actual combat units. And yet WWII is often represented as largely fought by volunteers, and Vietnam represented as being largely fought by conscripts, despite the reality being the opposite.
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"WWII is often represented as largely fought by volunteers"
In what world is this true? I have never in my life met someone who thought WW2 was fought primarily by volunteers.
The thing you’re forgetting about those stats is that if you joined voluntarily, you could choose where you went. If you were drafted, you had less of a choice.
"international aggression by communists"
what if a nation wants to be communist? how can then America enact aggression to remove it? It's like if your neighbor wants to be nudists and you go about trying to burn his house down.
@@lukeblankenship8424 ah yes the many man that went na na I don't wanna go there what universe you living in?
A big difference is in Vietnam especially, that before WWII we knew what we were fighting for and people didn't question it. During Vietnam a good sized portion of soldiers didn't know why they were fighting after a few months. When soldiers are protesting the wars they fought in when they return it turns everything on its head
"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the loses of lives."~ US Marine Corps Major General Smedley D. Butler two time medal of honor recipient. (1935)
Too true, and unfortunately America profits way to much when it comes to global conflicts, they dominate weapon exports and their "military aid" comes at the cost of centuries of debt, Good luck Ukraine ur better off Russian... the UK only just finished paying the USA in 2020 for their aid in ww2.... and they only helped because Russia decided to help us and Germany was no longer the biggest threat but the threat of an entire continent being communist friendly
They knew pearl harbor was going to happen , just think about it, pearl harbor took place December 7th, the instigator that bought us into the war
December 6th was the day Russia fought back Germany , one hell of a coincidence especially since many claim they knew of the harbor attack before hand
As a kid who has been to both of those places, I agree it gives u a good prospective and deeper connection with that generation and patriotism as a whole
Even the foundation he was laying out about the change in the military structure after WWII, which I think was all he was doing (though I haven't watched the whole episode) is something I don't normally hear even acknowledged when people are comparing those wars.
As for the people who seem willing to just forfeit; clearly they aren't concerned with what was sacrificed by countless, mostly nameless people, but it's both even more (or less) than that. They don't even have a clue what exactly it is they're willing to forfeit. If you let someone give you whatever their virtue signaling reasons as to why they're willing to give it up (right/freedom) to protect someone's feelings, and they will just contradict themselves a half dozen times before they even finish with their own monologue. They'll talk about taking away a particular right, in order to protect the very same right, that's just in a different context (usually ideological).
If they can't even be bothered to know what little they pretend to know, how could they be expected to think about what happened to secure it to begin with.
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Dr. Kellogg, yes that American, wrote studies on Eugenics that gave the Nazis permission to believe in a master race.
Do we find complications in medical research clouding our day to day understanding of our lives in current politics?
Do government contractors make MUCH higher profits selling to the military than the open market?
You bet.
@@truthsRsung okay, but i don't see what relevance that has to what the comment was, at all.
@@timwhite5562 ....That's because you refuse to connect a solid reason to use deadly force to encourage peace.
We teach our children to use violence as a last resort, yet constantly portray adults acting the opposite way in our media.
You think that Countries control Corporations, because you don't see the East India Trading Company on any trucks, billboards, or stock exchanges.
You don't hear stories of Hitler's generals concerned with an American Jew holding vast stock in Focke Wolfe.
It doesn't fit the narrative of Good vs. Evil.
Chosing to kill another person changes how the brain works. That is the Evil.
Don't be confused.
@@truthsRsung it's because you're trying way too hard to make connection fit so that you can say this rambling piece that isn't even tangentially connected to the comment. Dont be confused? This whole piece is confused, half of it doesn't even seem to linked to itself, you're all over the place.
As an Iraq war veteran, I appreciated all the support from our citizens. Especially the elderly. When I came home they waited at the airport to greet us, and offered us cell phones to call our families. God Bless them. I'll always remember them for doing that.
And the people of Shannon Ireland gave us a standing ovation while walking with our stuff to and from the terminal.
The bar tender gave us all two for one specials. And a shot of whiskey was a full glass tumbler to the brim.
If you can imagine how much two of those and 2 pints of Guinness in 10 minutes affected us. . .
But what I really felt bad about was knowing that Vietnam veterans didn't receive the love and support we did.
And the level of support for WW2 veterans was awesome, except for the African American war veterans not receiving the same benefits during that time. Which it's utterly disgusting to me!
I love all of my veterans with all of my heart and admiration. God Bless you all.
One visit home, I was at a Denny's with my father, wearing a Marine PT sweatshirt. I seen a Vietnam veteran out the corner of my eyes and couldn't stop looking over at him and his wife, as they were eating. He had a veterans hat on.
So I walked over to his booth, and told him thank you so much for his service, and that his sacrifice meant a lot to me. I paid for their meal, and shook his hand.
Later he and his wife came over to my booth, and he tried to speak to me about something but couldn't get his words out as he started to cry.
I didn't miss a beat. I stood up fast, and wrapped my arms around him.
I told him it's okay, and that I completely understand, and told him "I love you brother", and he'd always be remembered by me and my Marines. That he is appreciated, and viewed with honor.
He quivered in my arms, so I hugged him tighter.
He wiped his eyes, and said thank you about 3 more times. His wife looked so very proud of her husband, and so happy that someone like me praised him, and thanked him with a brothers love.
very cool story :) what are you doing now?
Disgusting that 🇮🇪 ireland meant to be neutral. Considering use blew up Iraq on a lie killed 500,000 people and same amount through santions
Vile
Huh...two racist ass countries praising you
Shocking 😂
@@PascalLuchs Thank you. It was actually quite moving emotionally, and highly motivating.
ATM I've been doing two things. Going to UW for college classes, and simultaneously caregiving for my disabled and elderly mother after 5 near death health emergencies.
So life is busy and stressful. But I'm happy to be the one caring for her, because she's living with me now, which takes a huge load off my worry about her, knowing I'm there to react immediately when she needs help. Versus an assisted living or nursing home environment. Which in the past has been traumatic experience for her with abuses.
Although my life is pretty much on hold til I can find a way to more for myself and starting a family of my own has been my only dream since I was 7 or 8 years old.
@@PascalLuchs I added more to my original comment if you'd be willing to read the extra stories.
Popular culture does indeed play a part. One of the many reasons WWII and that generation is held in such high regard and romanticized awe is precisely because of the art that followed it. The Longest Day is a perfect example. The U.S. was depicted as the good guys and the efforts and sacrifices of those that fought and those that struggled at home as noble. Compare post WWII art to that of Korea, Vietnam, and WWI and you see an entirely different view of war, those that fight, the justness of cause, the willingness of the civilian population to sacrifice for the effort, etc. I don't think that is coincidental in terms of the way our society now views those conflicts as a whole.
Yea, well, one is a war is based off being attacked and defending ourselves. The other is us empire building as the aggressors.
@@iank3924 I don't think "empire building" is accurate in either WWI, Korea, or Vietnam. It's pretty clear our influence was advanced most by WWII as were our territories and/or military installations. Much like in WWII, we delayed our entry into the WWI significantly in comparison to the other major powers. And, much like in WWII, we were indeed attacked first in WWI. Nor, do I believe the intent was to occupy North Vietnam. Valid or not, I do believe the aim was to stem the influence of the USSR. Being attacked, as we were in WWII, helped garner civilian support without question, but it's an inaccuracy to suggest we gained no territory as a result of military action. Furthermore, I never suggested popular culture and art were the only reasons for us holding WWII, and those that fought, in high esteem but there is no question that the art, particularly from those that fought, following WWI and Vietnam painted the respective military actions in both cases as being primarily negative.
Romantizing too much can also be called propaganda in fact some of the most interesting movies have been those that have dared to deal with controversial subjects.
One movie that i still consider to be one of the best vietnam movies is Apocalypse Now even veterans said it captured the insanity of that war.
We lost Vietnam, that's the difference. As an army veteran from the sweet spot era between Grenada and Desert Storm I can say that my experience was good, but I got out just in time. War is hell and I'm glad I didn't have to go through it.
So true, the vets of ww2 built this country up, and their kids tore it down.
I agree that we shouldn’t have been in Vietnam but the way veterans were treated was absolutely horrendous. That anger should have been directed at the politicians and never at the troops who don't have a choice.