I had a toy safe as a kid that had the EXACT opening method. 2 buttons must be pressed to open. As a 5 year old I felt like it was genius and only super hero's would think of pressing 2 things at once
Idk... Sounds legit. Only reasonable excuse for being a thief I can think of: taking candy. From adults, children, babies... Pets. Off shelves... What else you gonna buy w/ the money you get for pawning my tv? Candy, of course. My plan: stash all our candy outside. This way, either the thieves take it and go, or the army of subservient ants attack them... make quick work of their body, with nothing left to hide. This right here is how the ants make me their servant. I may wanna rethink this candy plan...
@@ThePrufessa If you tape it up thoroughly, it'll take five times as long for the LPL to get the tape off to open it as it would for him to go through the combinations.
In Belgium, we infamously had containers for dangerous waste disposal that were far more secure than this. The joke was that only children could get them open because they were the only ones with enough determination to keep trying.
*Dangerous* waste that shouldn't be accessed under any circumstances whilst a firearm on the other end is meant to unfortunately be used sometimes. So you have to be able to access it easily... And at the same time keep curious kids and malicious adults from accessing it.
@@psirvent8 OR outlaw firearms altogether. you dont live in middle east or balkans you dont need guns. Edit: the sheer amount of yanks closing their eyes on the examples made by the rest of the world, trying to justify guns being legal while abortion or idk some other basic human right isn't is just mind blowing. 2nd ammendment was written when best firearms could do was 4 shots per minute. There's absolutely no reason for civillians to have modern automatics Edit2: by comparing the fire rates i meant 1) having a gun back then the owner wasnt able to mass murder a whole crowd so it wasnt a big deal 2) its a sign of how long it has been passed. in this day and age you dont need one to protect yourself and there's fuck all you can do about a tyrant with your guns
They'll probably wrap it in chicken wire with a padlock and call it good.... Though, on second thought, that's actually more secure... even with a masterlock...
The point of this is to meet the minimum requirements for “safe storage” states. In many states, you don’t have to lock up your guns when not in direct control. For those that do have these laws to contend with, this is an adequate solution that allows fast access.
I think the illusion of security this could give to the person responsible for the firearm (and the type of person that would use this) is actually more dangerous than no box at all. As someone would be much less likely to leave the gun unattended.
Definitely! If you don’t have this box you will keep the gun on your body, but this box makes you think it is ok to leave the room for a minute to use the bathroom while your children are unsupervised!
Im pretty sure the types of people who would buy this arent interested in gun safety in the first place. This strikes me as an attempt to circumvent any law saying weapons must be locked up in some manner.
I don't know, I've never seen someone store their gun in a toy box like this before but I was definitely at someone's house as a kid with an unattended revolver on the kitchen table for long periods of time.
From recent ads, they appear to have upgraded the security. Each finger key can be pressed to one of three depths, and the unlocking combination can be made from any combination of the four finger key pressed to any of the three depths. Additionally, you must press the thumb lock and push down on the lid in order to open it after you enter your finger lock code.
yes, this video is outdated. This is not a gun safe, this is not a replacement for proper gun ownership with children, this is not to detur theft. Its a box to detur children from accessing the gun and to give the adult a fast and safe way to access the gun when needed. It also has room for 2+1 mag. and great for travel to the range. There is a legitimate use and place for this product and its surprisingly well made.
@@Ashtor1337 Shit Totally Oblivious Parent would work, and if they were also anti immigration then you could have the Being Obnoxiously Xenophobic covered as well.
@@Druid_Plow Teaching them young is a good thing. Make them learn what guns can do. The only bad part about this is that it’ll ruin most action movies for them.
And if you open this thing often enough, the attacker doesn't even have to try the combinations because he can tell the two correct keys from wear/dirt/etc.
Yeah, as a kid I opened a teachers car door with a four button lock on the door, because two of the buttons where very yellow, and dirty, the other two looked like they had never been touched. Pissed off teacher didn't believe me, that I had cracked her code in 2 seconds. Lol
@@TheByQQ Some of them yeah. Its not that common anymore but certain models had a row of buttons and sometimes a keyhole alongside it as a way to keep your door looked.
StopBox wanted to be clever by saying it's not a safe it's a "retention device" so that their product won't be in LPL's radar but someone actually found and sent it to him. *Plan failed successfully*
I am sure the legal requirements for a gun “retention device” is lower then “gun safe”. However, they might fall into hot water from their advertisements not showing proper use, hence being false advertisement or something.
One of the things I find interesting about this channel is that A LOT of other RUclipsrs seem to watch this channel some even going so far as to comment on some videos. LPL’s videos just seem scientifically made to be interesting
I think part of it is just that, aside from maybe ProZD, the ratio of quality content to time invested is hard to beat. LPL gets in the video, gets in the lock, and gets out.
All this thing reminds me of is the storage cases you put handguns in before putting them into your gun safe in order to prevent guns from rubbing against each other and damaging each other. I have a similar case without a combination, just two latches, and it's clear that it's solely used for a separation medium between it and other guns in a more secure storage compartment like a gun safe.
@@dr.floridamanphd i dont get the reference. what's a basic, apart from a programming language. and how can a dust cover keep one warm? it's a small fabric that keeps dust out :) :) i am missing something here :)
I want to say thank you, my wife bought me one of your kits for Christmas and I have been hard at learning to pick since Christmas day. I managed to rake my first lock on day one and pick my first lock on day 2. I am really enjoying this new hobby while I do my video watching. One interesting side effect is that my dexterity seems to be increasing very quickly as I am seeing a vast improvement in my typing skills. Anyway Thanks for the access to a new great hobby, and happy holidays to you and your family.
So, correct me if I’m wrong, but a single dial from a combination lock, is potentially 50% more secure than this system. Who thought this was a good idea?
if that dial has a 0-9, then 66.6% more combination options. less secure though because someone who does not know how to work this lock may think single, double, triple or even all 4 buttons could be pressed, making it a possible 15 combinations. and then the dial 0-9 only has 66.6% of the options. lol
Most dials I think have forty numbers and because of tolerance for close enough to right number, let’s say 20. Still beats the 15 if they didn’t know the lock. However if I wanted a quick open case a single dial probably wouldn’t work for me.
People who know the US has a lot of gun nuts who want something as cheap and easy to get into as possible while arguably fulfilling some legal or contractual requirement. These 'useless' gun storage/securing devices are probably bad on purpose.
Looking at the other comments, there's claims that this case isn't intended for security at all. Supposedly, it's intended to keep guns from rubbing against each other when they're stored in a REAL safe
It reminds me of a "safe" i used to have when i was young, made out of a drawer and a cheap padlock bought in a dollar store i thought noone would be able to open it but you could just access the drawer from the back side
May just be designed to meet the minimum requirements of some law or regulation. Sort of like the cheap trigger locks that can be easily raked open but are required in some places for storage.
That's likely the case. Nearly all of them are made for that purpose. You can tell by the marketing. If it's for meeting minimums they promote things like "quick access", if it's for security it weighs 200+ pounds, takes up half a closet and advertises how hard it is to open. There is barely anything in between.
I saw ads for this on Facebook with them showing someone opening it super fast with a kid present. My immediate thought was how could that be safe! I never even clicked to see how it worked it looked so bad. Thanks for confirming.
After watching the video, SIX COMBINATIONS MY GOD. I've given a child two pieces of metal that are harder to pull apart. I think one of those voice locked diaries would be more secure.
As a kid I built combination locks out of LEGO that were more secure. It would probably take longer to pull the bricks apart than to brute-force this lock...
Incredible that they didn't add a few more buttons so that it wasn't quite so trivial, even though you couldn't add enough to stop someone with more than a few minutes of time.
These things exist for legal purposes only. They are for people that don't want to keep their gun locked away and want it within reach, but for some legal liability reason or otherwise are required to keep it "locked away".
@@ScottWaa gun laws don't work because people attempt to mitigate or bypass legal requirements while still allowing criminals access to steal fire arms?
@@ScottWaa No, it's why half-arsed gun laws that haven't been enforced for a long enough time don't work. Europe and Japan are doing just fine because criminals can't access guns if there are no guns. Of course, there isn't enough political will to pull this in the US, but that's a problem with the US, not gun laws in general.
@@stevenpugsley2542 good thinking! I'd start at 0.0.1 and it'd be the last combination that I'd try... And we all know I'm going to try to use explosives after about two minutes of trying numbers because I don't have that kind of attention or patience.... Or the foresight to pick it up and take it somewhere else to try the last 995 combinations.
The best use of this “Retention Device” is bolted to the bed stand and holding " toys" as a dummy so they waste a few moments while the silent alarm system is activating. (Your kid will only open it once)
Lock Picking Lawyer, After watching your videos for a long time, I decided to actually give it a shot. I managed to turn two Bobby pins into a basic pick set and picked a basic 4 pin lock. It took a few tries but with no training or cutaways to practice with I have nothing but you to thank for demonstrating the skills for this
We use boxes similar to this for transporting firearms to the shooting range. Here (The Netherlands) carrying a firearm is prohibited, you may only travel around with one to and from the shooting range and only if the firearm is in a closed case of sorts in the trunk of the car. I don't have a gun myself, but I've seen a friend of mine who does use a box similar to this one to carry his gun to the range. The box is transported in the trunk in another aluminum suitcase along with his ear- and hearing protection and such.
So I once found a 3 digit lever combination chain (for a bicycle I guess) in my parents house I figured I could use it to "close" the garage gate since the car was too long to fit inside. But I didn't have a combination for it. So on my spare time I'd try from 111 sequentially until I got to 999 or found the code It took me relatively little time to brute force it, while watching tv or doing other stuff This was for a chain, now imagine an already weak plastic box with only 6 combinations meant to hold a gun This is beyond stupid Thanks LPL you are the best
My impression is that the stopbox is essentially a more secure easy access version of having your firearm in a nightstand drawer. It’s not a safe. It seems like the ultimate function would be to utilize it while you’re sleeping. It’s much more difficult to break into than a nightstand drawer, and judging by their recent ad, it’s as fast if not faster for the owner to draw from. If I were asleep with children in the home, I’d feel pretty safe with this setup.
I am friends with the inventor/owner of Stopbox. This stopbox is great for quick access to you items. Yet it does help keep others out. It is as stated by the company: "Designed to prevent unintentional access while your firearm is not on your body or in the safe. We designed the StopBox with this criteria: Instant, reliable access, in the dark and under stress, without the use of batteries or electronics" That being said. It fit a specific Nitch in the shooting community. I love it.
So what is the actual niche then? I just want to buy one product. Do I need to have my pistol in a safe by day and in a stop box by night because I can open it 1 second faster? Serious question. I'm about ready to return my two stop boxes because I feel a bit ripped off.
I use mine at the office when I don’t feel like sitting at my desk with my carry pistol stuck down my pants all day. It’s the alternative to sticking it in a drawer or leaving it in the car, which is what most people do. None of my coworkers has any clue what it is, it’s just a black plastic thing sitting on my credenza. They’d have no idea how to open it unless they also had one, in which case it’s unlikely they would. I don’t want a gun safe sitting on my desk.
@@peterbigblock The use case you've described is probably the one that makes most sense with a stop box. For me, with a child and a gun that needs to be retained at all times it doesn't make sense. If my state were open carry it would be a different story and I would be using it just as you described.
A: It's so bad... It's a 6 combination lock... B: Oh. A 6-digit combination lock? That's 1,000,000 possible combinations. That would take a while to brute force. A: Not 6 digits... 6 possible combinations... B: Oh...
my dad actually got me something like this for my first ever firearm back when i was 15....but it was mainly used as a case for storage, when he put it away in his locked safe..he passed away and i wasnt really a gun person, so i disposed of the gun properly and kept the case, a few years later i gave it to my 5 year old niece for doll storage or whatever 5 year olds use boxes to store!!....and i turned my back for 30 seconds and it was opened by the time i turned back around, the funny thing is, she is now around 20 years old and still has it, she uses it for her cheap jewelry she doesnt care about and spare change she may have in her pocket when she comes home!
Just returned the three I had ordered 5 minutes after receiving them.. way to easy to get into, did not trust it out of my sight and at 120$ a pop, there are far better (although not ideal) solutions out there at half the cost.
In many states there are laws that just require things be locked, they don’t set minimum requirements for those locks. This company obviously doesn’t want to have to defend themselves in a case, or be the reason that those get rigid definitions that are usually much more expensive, and become a poll tax per se against the poor having the rights everyone is supposed to be guaranteed.
@N Fels You need to stop freaking out and go argue with SCOTUS. I’m just going to block you as it’s clear the sky isn’t blue in your world. There’s only one nut here freaking out, and it’s not me.
I can imagine the disclaimers packaged with such a box. The marketing focuses on speed and reliability of access. But they have an accessory that can change the number of combinations to 16!
That accessory pack doesn't increase the actual number of combinations that someone would have to try to break into it. It increases the owner's number of combinations they can set.
This is more of a zip bag. Something like "this won't fall out of the bag when I drop it on the floor and guests won't just take the gun if they feel like it"
There was an episode of something (law and order perhaps) long ago that ended up with a gun safe in the court room. They handed it to a witness and asked them to try to open it, he did within a few seconds by just using one of the first obvious patterns that came to mind. This reminds me of that. That episode also contained some bad math as I recall, they kept saying the lock had thousands of combinations but the lock they described would only have had something like 32.
I was blocked from making comments on this this company's Facebook page for sharing this video in the comments. Thanks for keeping people aware of how 'well' these products are made and work.
@@ulrichkalber9039 Anything forbidden or for adults only is of interest to kids. As as kid I would have messed with this just to find out what the code was and how to open the lock. If a lock had a weakness, you didn't want to leave me alone with it because it wouldn't lock me out for long.
@@killer2600 Exactly. When I was a kid, the presence of this box in my home would have *guaranteed* I'd open the box and examine the contents in detail. I can see it now: Oh look, a strange box. With buttons! Something's inside the box. Hey, how dare you try to hide something from me! And I wanna see how the buttons work. Hum hum hum hummmm... That was easy... What's this inside? Cool, pew pew pew! Okay, how does this box work? Pushing the button slides that plate, moves that thing, which... Oh no, Mom's coming! A few months later, Dad tries to open the box and can't, because I accidentally changed the combination. A family interrogation ensues... I wouldn't trust that box to stand up against even my toddler self.
Juries tend to find dead kids easier to empathize with. Will never see any civil negligence go to court because the manufacture will quickly settle rather than risk a sympathetic jury.
It’s not a safe. It’s an overpriced lockbox (on sale for $74.25 down from $99). A safe is defined as a strong fireproof cabinet with a complex lock, used for the storage of valuables. It’s plastic so it’s not fireproof, the lock is cheap and easy to figure out, and is not intended to store valuables (jewelry, deeds, etc). So if they were sued because someone was using it as a safe, their response to the complaint would most likely include that definition and would most likely get their case dismissed without ever going to court.
@@dr.floridamanphd Hmm. They do spend some time advertising their "Safe lock" in their ad videos and they do show it being used as a gun locker box in other videos. I think their advertising might be able to cause some trouble in regards to that. Could be completely wrong, just an idea.
It they don't sell/market it as a safe and you use it as a safe then the liability is on you not them. In California, where they have particular requirements for firearm securement devices/safes this product doesn't meet those requirements. So if you were to secure a firearm in this device, the state of California would consider your firearm, for legal purposes, to not be secured.
They do. That's why you can't find one in your local store, but you can buy ∞ supply from China. If you could test one before buying, then you wouldn't want it.
My guess is this device is a way around some stupid state laws. It might pass the "secure firearm in vehicle" law in California. Just attach it into your truck's console and you're good to go.
i have one of these and i use it for transporting my handgun in CA because without a ccw it needs to be in a "locked" container and i have this sitting next to me in my passanger seat with a cable lock because its allowed in the state and i can still deploy it fast
I'm not a fan of firearms, but I am a fan of safety and you are spot on with the secured at all times approach. If all gun owners preached and practiced what you preach, then I would have no issues at all with gun ownership.
This seems like a good solution for "in the car" type situations. By which I mean, you don't want it on your body, but you also don't want it just sliding around under your seat or in your door pocket. But not for much else.
in my state (ohio) we have weird laws regarding guns in cars. you can open carry a pistol without any issues, but you need a concealed weapon permit to have a gun in a car unless its in a locked box. so open carrying the pistol is fine, unless im sitting in a car, which isnt fine. but if i put it in this cheap box then it is fine. gun laws are stupid.
Because it's plastic I wouldn't trust this anyways because if you ran hard enough you would break it. but it does have a part where you can attach a steel cable to the inside kind of like a bike lock so it can be sort of attached to something. But again it's just hard plastic so yanking hard enough should break it. Kind of wish he tested that too.
It reminds me of a silly old gun law that said a gun in a motor vehicle had to be behind like 4 levels of action to get to it. For example opening the glove box would be 1 action, loading it would be a 2nd action. Perhaps this box provided the other 2 actions.
Before Oklahoma was a full-blown 2nd Amendment state, the law stated that you could possess a handgun in a vehicle so long as it was in a "locked" enclosure, and kept separate from the magazine (or simply unloaded in the case of a revolver). Oddly enough, it was perfectly fine to have a loaded rifle hanging in the back window of your pickup. Boxes like these met the bare minimum definition for "locked", so a lot of people had something like this or very similar.
I commented on the video you’re referring to with that exact issue and they told me that it is not used to prevent access to a weapon, just provide the illusion of safety.
"The moral of the story is: I chose a half-measure when I should have gone all the way. I'll never make that mistake again. No more half-measures, Walter." This "retention device" is a half-measure. LPL said it all at the start of the video.
It takes some thought to open, it avoids latches that could be opened instantly or by indeliberate manipulation or contact, it doesn't need a key or a code, but it gives some impression that it does. That might serve some purpose to some.
I can see a genuine need for a way to secure a gun from accidental use by children while still having it available for emergency use by adults... ...but it seems to me a strong elastic band in the right place would probably do the job. (Actually that would make a hilarious video for LPL).
when I got married, my wife made me change my gun storage solution from a white flatpack cabinet (sauder, not ikea) to an actual gun safe to keep a curious niece from getting in. the cabinet was more secure than this.
Assuming it didn't have this easy brute forcing problem, there is a further problem to this. With something like code wheels a person has to be quite close in order to read off the wheels if you happen to open it while people are nearby. But this has two big buttons still sticking out after you've entered the code, so they could be seen from much further away and much more quickly. So the combination is visible from a distance if anyone does actually open it in the presence of the child, and even young children like to mimic adults.
I agree with most of this, especially the part about keeping firearm secure. However I don’t think this case would keep even a toddler away from a gun.
1. To prevent mishaps with cigarette lighters being inadvertently actuated by a toddler EU lighters have a button spring of some defined minimum force, so kids can't press it. 2. To prevent mishaps with guns EU has even better solution: no handguns in private possession unless proven absolutely necessary, hunting weapons under strong regulation...
I have one of these and love it. It's a 'niche' need. But anywhere you keep your firearm readily accessible, and I mean you can grab it and fire it, this can be used. A safe next to my bed is impractical if you ask me, but also, I get a little peace of mind with this thing. Also, nobody knows what this fkn thing is by looking at it. I can leave this on a shelf in my living room, and nobody is ever going to notice it. Let's do a test of putting this in a normal room, no context, and see how long it takes before they end up with a gun in their hand. Not likley to happen.I don't know man, it's a good product and I'll defend it all day
Where I live, transporting a handgun inside the passenger space of a car requires it to be ”locked inside a hard side container” which is not a glovebox or central console. This thing would fit that description, yet allow easy access.
Exactly…. So many people keep calling this a safe, or how it doesn’t keep your gun safe, in the comments… LPL said its not, and the company doesn’t promote it as such. There’s a market for this type of device, even if it doesn’t apply to every situation. The ignorance from others here is astounding.
LPL - This Gun “Retention Device” is disappointing. You don't need ANY of my Covert Companion tools, or even a can of Red Bull to open this. But, it might have been a fluke.
@@KeithHearnPlus Not to mention that he knew the combination beforehand. Usually he at least scrambles the combination lock before demonstrating how pointless the lock is.
I 100% agree with you if that gun is not directly contacting your body in that case then there is no point of it. Unless you were to add some kind of external feature like electroshock if you got the combination wrong
I'm curious as to whether it's possible to code this particular "lock" by some combination of gently pressing all the buttons nearly at once, so you can always open it in effectively one or two steps without going through all the combos... I would expect there to be some tolerance issues that would make this possible.
You don't have to press the opening button after getting the combination right (can just hold it down), so I think you could even easily "rake" this by just flailing on the buttons for a few seconds.
These are intended to work much like child safety caps on medicine bottles. They are not intended to keep adolescents out. The way take care of the curious adolescent problem is take away the curious part. If they know gun safety and use the gun all the time at the firing range, they won't be curious about it.
But kids are stupid and easy to manipulate. You could teach them endless gun safety but the "cool" kid comes over and they will do what he wants to impress him. LPL is correct on this. Guns should be on your person or in a real safe.
@@mobrocket and kids easily overestimate their own abilities. If you taught your kid how to safely handle a gun it will think that it can safely handle it even without your supervision. And then mistakes happen.
@@maurinavoni6925 small steps. First we talk about how to safely store the weapons. Ones we got them to do that we can go a step further and start talking about limiting gun ownership. You wouldn't teach a toddler how to run before he can walk 🤣
I am thoroughly happy with BOTH my StopBox and Chamber Lock. These ARE NOT my only forms of retention, however. They compliment my 18 rifle sentry safe. I don’t believe it should be intended to be the only securing device relied upon, but my question to all you is, how often do your children have unsupervised access to an area in your home that you would have it stored, if not on your person? And maybe that’s what y’all should be re-thinking..? Very happy with BOTH of these products, and recommended them regularly to friends and family 👍
While I agree that a gun optimally did be in your full possession when you are out in the world, I can also envision scenarios where due to the gun laws in the area you cannot have it on your person but also want to have it available. For example you cannot have an open carry in your vehicle and cannot place it on your glove compartment so you need this dumb box to be in compliance.
To be fair, this type of "retention device" is typically intended for transporting the weapon from place to place in the trunk of your car, as many states require the weapon to be in a locked container in the vehicle trunk when transporting it.
So glad you did a video on this! I hate seeing the ads for this thing saying it's completely safe and children won't be able to access it. How dumb do they think people are? What an insult. I'm all for gun ownership and want to see more people own a firearm but so many gun nuts out there talk about how it's unconstitutional to have any gun law but then claim that a criminal that used a gun, used an illegal gun or obtained it illegally.....but how can that be if any gun law is unconstitutional? smh. When I bought my last gun at the gun store, there were like 10 guys in there all talking about how annoying it was to buy a gun and that they should just basically be able to walk into a Walmart and walk out with a bazooka. no joke. We're finally seeing the parents of a school shooter, the Crumbleys, get the punishment any parents deserve when their kid gets their gun and shoots up the school. But it shouldn't have to be that obvious or whatever for parents to be blamed and punished. Any parent should get life in prison for a shooting that involves a gun from their household. period. If you don't like it then make sure you lock your shit up! wtf? Obey the law if you're a so called law abiding citizen. some states are too extreme with their laws, yes, but for the most part nobody is preventing you from obtaining a firearm....legally. If we all locked our guns up properly from our children then there would be zero school shootings. also quit bitching about the 10 day waiting period, you know it makes perfect sense. you will still get your gun, calm down. 2 shootings in CO this year happened within 10 days of the legal gun purchase. sure they may have gone through with it anyway, but you never know what can happen in a person's life that can make them change their minds. It's not unreasonable. You want to be a responsible gun owner, then prove it! Keep the 2nd Amendment alive! Don't kill it with carelessness! It's the most important law in the world! Don't break the law for a reason that will more than likely never happen in the first place.
Some states have laws about transporting firearms in vehicles like "it must take 'x' number to steps to access the firearm". For instance, having it in the glove box is one step. Having it in a box like this which is in the glove box would be two steps. That's the only case I can think of that this sort of thing makes sense. If I wanted to take my handgun to the range, I can put it in this box, then the glove box, and I'm good to go.
I saw an ad for this device, and immediately had the same notion. I'm glad you put that idea into practice, so prospective customers could see how bad it was. I hoped you might show multiple exploits though, because it looked like it had many weaknesses.
It’s not a bad device depending on what your use intentions are… if you expect it to perform the same duty as a giant 60 gun fireproof safe, then sure, it’s “bad”… if you need to have a gun in a locked container for transport but still want to have quick access, it’s not bad.
I think this would be good for transportation through states like Illinois where it has to be locked up in some form. It's easy access when needed but it's never needs to be out of sight. I would not store a firearm in this long term but for transportation purposes I believe this would do well if in a pinch
Knowing how anti-gun Illinois is, I wouldn't even try to use this as a firearm securement lock/safe. I'd buy a much cheaper steel pistol keyed or combination lock box before I'd buy this thing for secure transport purposes.
Is there a generally recognised age, above which children can be taught firearm safety (just the basics) ? I’m guessing around 7? (But it probably varies from child to child).
Depends on the kid. My niece was probably around 5 when we taught her the basics. But I wouldn't have trusted my ex's teenager with a pointy stick, never mind a firearm.
Children should be taught as soon as they can recognize objects. The first level of instruction is 4 rules to follow when you see a gun of any kind: 1. STOP 2. Don't touch. 3. Leave the area. 4. Tell an adult. You're right: basic firearm handling and safety can be taught as children reach a more responsible age, which varies by child. Teach safety first, and it's always loaded until you yourself prove it not to be.
@@Cap10VDO no the 4 rules are 1. It's not a toy 2. Always assume it's loaded 3. Never point it at something you don't intend to kill 4. Keep you finger off the trigger unless your going to shoot. I was 5 when I learned these rules.
I saw the new design where it has a hole in the thumb button for a padlock. Which really defeats the purpose of the box as a quick draw retention device
I know what this is for (although it surely was not the intended use and if it costs more than $5, then it's not worth it) You keep it a bit hidden, not very much. Once your kid/wife/friend opens it, they will find a message not to look for your gun anymore. Better yet, you may add something to it that will alert you that it was opened. Meanwhile, the actual safe with the gun is somewhere else safely locked.
I gas it's only useful for car trips with family, it can easily stop someone messing with it, and you can tell Cut it out, and you still have somewhat quick access to the gun if needed
An actual safe with a key is faster and safer than this. They do realize video games are a thing right? Kids learn complex button combinations from an early age nowadays.
I think their sales point is with a safe you need the key, or to enter a combination. This is supposed to be nearly as fast as just having the gun sitting on a table. I think it's more comparable to like a strange hidden compartment. Which unfortunately draws the curious people.
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I had a toy safe as a kid that had the EXACT opening method. 2 buttons must be pressed to open. As a 5 year old I felt like it was genius and only super hero's would think of pressing 2 things at once
Have you ever been able to open it?
Maybe your parents gun was inside :)
i hate 5 year olds
@@lostpockets2227 found the 6 year old
@@renaminginprogress6903 what?
To be fair, this one requires *3* buttons to be pressed.
NOTE: This product is NOT supposed to be used as a gun safety box. Its ment to be thrown at the intruder. It will open on impact, releasing candy.
Gun-safe-piñata.
It might work is Candy is the name of a venomous insect, arachnid or reptile.
@@notAshildr Hey Ashildr, wassup? I didn't realize that at the end of the universe you came to this one! :D
Idk... Sounds legit. Only reasonable excuse for being a thief I can think of: taking candy. From adults, children, babies... Pets. Off shelves... What else you gonna buy w/ the money you get for pawning my tv? Candy, of course. My plan: stash all our candy outside. This way, either the thieves take it and go, or the army of subservient ants attack them... make quick work of their body, with nothing left to hide. This right here is how the ants make me their servant. I may wanna rethink this candy plan...
@@gritsonamission That is what I was planning on buying with your TV I pawned. Nose Candy.
I used one of these for years. It worked perfectly well. It kept my lunch intact until I was ready to eat.
Oh, wait, what this isnt a lunchbox?
I was thinking along those same lines!
Forget it. It won't stop nose diggers from eating your lunch.
@@aleksandrbmelnikov It is probably more effective to get those sandwich bags that look like your food has mold.
@@MonkeyJedi99 I have to search online just for a good laugh. Thank you for that comment. Best one i've seen all day.
Perfectly safe as a lunch box, as long as it never leaves your direct possession.
On the plus side - you can increase the security by 500% using only a piece of duct tape.
or use a red bull can
How would that work?
@@ThePrufessa If you tape it up thoroughly, it'll take five times as long for the LPL to get the tape off to open it as it would for him to go through the combinations.
@@AdmiralJota pocket knife to cut the tape and its back to being opened in seconds.
@@nathanh2917 yeah, but 15 seconds with the pocket knife as opposed to the 3 seconds with the combination is still 500% security increase.
Finally, a kid proof safe that's convenient and easy enough for my dog to open. It's just what I wanted
Sit! Shake!
Now, open fire!
Good boy!
Don’t trust your dog when you are sleeping.
Haha, just made my day
perfect to defend the dog from an ATF raid
Yes
In Belgium, we infamously had containers for dangerous waste disposal that were far more secure than this. The joke was that only children could get them open because they were the only ones with enough determination to keep trying.
*Dangerous* waste that shouldn't be accessed under any circumstances whilst a firearm on the other end is meant to unfortunately be used sometimes. So you have to be able to access it easily... And at the same time keep curious kids and malicious adults from accessing it.
@@psirvent8 OR outlaw firearms altogether. you dont live in middle east or balkans you dont need guns.
Edit: the sheer amount of yanks closing their eyes on the examples made by the rest of the world, trying to justify guns being legal while abortion or idk some other basic human right isn't is just mind blowing. 2nd ammendment was written when best firearms could do was 4 shots per minute. There's absolutely no reason for civillians to have modern automatics
Edit2: by comparing the fire rates i meant 1) having a gun back then the owner wasnt able to mass murder a whole crowd so it wasnt a big deal 2) its a sign of how long it has been passed. in this day and age you dont need one to protect yourself and there's fuck all you can do about a tyrant with your guns
@@AlLiberali Outlaw guns? How am I to rob a bank without a gun?
@@AlLiberali bad idea.
@@u.v.s.5583 How am i to shoot pedophiles or home invaders... or overthrow my government lol.
Maybe these guys should hire some engineers from Masterlock to lend them some security expertise,
Or... maybe they did and got this abomination as a result.
They'll probably wrap it in chicken wire with a padlock and call it good.... Though, on second thought, that's actually more secure... even with a masterlock...
Masterlock should actually go to these guys for security expertise
😂🤣😂🤣
The point of this is to meet the minimum requirements for “safe storage” states. In many states, you don’t have to lock up your guns when not in direct control. For those that do have these laws to contend with, this is an adequate solution that allows fast access.
I can see by the marks on the box that this box is indeed “slash” proof
I think "slash proof" means it won't open when you piss on it.
I'm sure Slash wouldn't be interested in opening it.
I thought it was a hair on my phone screen and tried to wipe it off.
So it's still useful for storing Roses?
@@crispoman Only in a paradise city, right nextdoor to hell.
I think the illusion of security this could give to the person responsible for the firearm (and the type of person that would use this) is actually more dangerous than no box at all. As someone would be much less likely to leave the gun unattended.
Definitely! If you don’t have this box you will keep the gun on your body, but this box makes you think it is ok to leave the room for a minute to use the bathroom while your children are unsupervised!
Im pretty sure the types of people who would buy this arent interested in gun safety in the first place. This strikes me as an attempt to circumvent any law saying weapons must be locked up in some manner.
I don't know, I've never seen someone store their gun in a toy box like this before but I was definitely at someone's house as a kid with an unattended revolver on the kitchen table for long periods of time.
From recent ads, they appear to have upgraded the security. Each finger key can be pressed to one of three depths, and the unlocking combination can be made from any combination of the four finger key pressed to any of the three depths. Additionally, you must press the thumb lock and push down on the lid in order to open it after you enter your finger lock code.
yes, this video is outdated. This is not a gun safe, this is not a replacement for proper gun ownership with children, this is not to detur theft. Its a box to detur children from accessing the gun and to give the adult a fast and safe way to access the gun when needed. It also has room for 2+1 mag. and great for travel to the range. There is a legitimate use and place for this product and its surprisingly well made.
yup, i have the newer one with a lot more combination possibilities and it works great for what it's designed to do.
In this case, STOP stands for Supplying Teenagers One Pistol
Really? I thought was just being a shit parent.
@@Ashtor1337 lol that doesn't even fit the acronym
@@Ashtor1337 Shit Totally Oblivious Parent would work, and if they were also anti immigration then you could have the Being Obnoxiously Xenophobic covered as well.
well my kids are only 10 and 11, and they already have rifles. and they're both getting pistols at 13.
I won't be storing them in this though. LOL
@@Druid_Plow Teaching them young is a good thing. Make them learn what guns can do. The only bad part about this is that it’ll ruin most action movies for them.
And if you open this thing often enough, the attacker doesn't even have to try the combinations because he can tell the two correct keys from wear/dirt/etc.
Yeah, as a kid I opened a teachers car door with a four button lock on the door, because two of the buttons where very yellow, and dirty, the other two looked like they had never been touched. Pissed off teacher didn't believe me, that I had cracked her code in 2 seconds. Lol
@@zanleekain117 And that's why they don't put key combo locks on car doors very much any more.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio Unless they're Ford... then it's still on almost all of the higher trim levels.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio Wait, cars had keypads on doors?
@@TheByQQ Some of them yeah. Its not that common anymore but certain models had a row of buttons and sometimes a keyhole alongside it as a way to keep your door looked.
StopBox wanted to be clever by saying it's not a safe it's a "retention device" so that their product won't be in LPL's radar but someone actually found and sent it to him. *Plan failed successfully*
I'd love it if StopBox or someone would explain to me why I'd want a retention device over a quick access safe.
I am sure the legal requirements for a gun “retention device” is lower then “gun safe”.
However, they might fall into hot water from their advertisements not showing proper use, hence being false advertisement or something.
One of the things I find interesting about this channel is that A LOT of other RUclipsrs seem to watch this channel some even going so far as to comment on some videos. LPL’s videos just seem scientifically made to be interesting
I think part of it is just that, aside from maybe ProZD, the ratio of quality content to time invested is hard to beat. LPL gets in the video, gets in the lock, and gets out.
All this thing reminds me of is the storage cases you put handguns in before putting them into your gun safe in order to prevent guns from rubbing against each other and damaging each other. I have a similar case without a combination, just two latches, and it's clear that it's solely used for a separation medium between it and other guns in a more secure storage compartment like a gun safe.
That is a great point, to bad it wasn't marketed for sale that way
Is this … retaining device cheaper than Tupperware (it is easier to open, I assume)?
Grandpa taught me a method for that. Socks. Put the 1911 in a tube sock and now it can’t scratch anything.
Unfortunately, this stupid box is over $100
it's more like a dust cover, isn't it :)
I don’t miss my dust cover, but it helped keep me warm in basic.
@@dr.floridamanphd i dont get the reference. what's a basic, apart from a programming language. and how can a dust cover keep one warm? it's a small fabric that keeps dust out :) :)
i am missing something here :)
I want to say thank you, my wife bought me one of your kits for Christmas and I have been hard at learning to pick since Christmas day. I managed to rake my first lock on day one and pick my first lock on day 2. I am really enjoying this new hobby while I do my video watching. One interesting side effect is that my dexterity seems to be increasing very quickly as I am seeing a vast improvement in my typing skills. Anyway Thanks for the access to a new great hobby, and happy holidays to you and your family.
*insert wife noticing also joke here*
@@legionofanon she has seemed pretty happy since Christmas, I hadn't put the 2 together
@@unclereefer37 lol!
So, correct me if I’m wrong, but a single dial from a combination lock, is potentially 50% more secure than this system. Who thought this was a good idea?
if that dial has a 0-9, then 66.6% more combination options. less secure though because someone who does not know how to work this lock may think single, double, triple or even all 4 buttons could be pressed, making it a possible 15 combinations. and then the dial 0-9 only has 66.6% of the options. lol
Most dials I think have forty numbers and because of tolerance for close enough to right number, let’s say 20. Still beats the 15 if they didn’t know the lock. However if I wanted a quick open case a single dial probably wouldn’t work for me.
@@jimmypatton4982 ahh, i was thinking like a bike lock, not a padlock/locker.
People who know the US has a lot of gun nuts who want something as cheap and easy to get into as possible while arguably fulfilling some legal or contractual requirement.
These 'useless' gun storage/securing devices are probably bad on purpose.
Looking at the other comments, there's claims that this case isn't intended for security at all. Supposedly, it's intended to keep guns from rubbing against each other when they're stored in a REAL safe
Idea: Use this as decoy.
Real gun is in a safe hidden behind a wall, this is left in the open as a distraction and just has a heavy rock inside it.
You'd still want something that takes longer to break into in order to increase the time they're distracted.
I'd put a toy gun in there xD
@@SystemX1983 I was thinking the same - put a NERF gun in there, just as an insult to the thief once they open it.
@@quillmaurer6563 NERF is ok, but without any ammo xD
Even as a decoy, this would only last like 3 seconds tops.
It reminds me of a "safe" i used to have when i was young, made out of a drawer and a cheap padlock bought in a dollar store i thought noone would be able to open it but you could just access the drawer from the back side
Can’t be polite like an adult bob?
@Bobb Grimley Given your immature response, you don't seem like an adult yourself. Hypocrite.
@@NoFailer i also like how he liked his own comment
How could anyone tell whether a like was from the commenter?
(I use a mobile device, so is that a PC- only feature?)
Curious.
@@chasbodaniels1744 You can tell if there's a single like on a comment then probably the person liked their own comment
May just be designed to meet the minimum requirements of some law or regulation. Sort of like the cheap trigger locks that can be easily raked open but are required in some places for storage.
That's likely the case. Nearly all of them are made for that purpose. You can tell by the marketing. If it's for meeting minimums they promote things like "quick access", if it's for security it weighs 200+ pounds, takes up half a closet and advertises how hard it is to open. There is barely anything in between.
I saw ads for this on Facebook with them showing someone opening it super fast with a kid present. My immediate thought was how could that be safe! I never even clicked to see how it worked it looked so bad. Thanks for confirming.
After watching the video, SIX COMBINATIONS MY GOD. I've given a child two pieces of metal that are harder to pull apart. I think one of those voice locked diaries would be more secure.
As a kid I built combination locks out of LEGO that were more secure. It would probably take longer to pull the bricks apart than to brute-force this lock...
Incredible that they didn't add a few more buttons so that it wasn't quite so trivial, even though you couldn't add enough to stop someone with more than a few minutes of time.
@@brianwest2775 Your comment reminds me of the game: Keep Talking and Nobody Blows-up.
@@peterkelley6344 "Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes". Great game.
You can upgrade to 15 possible combinations with the purchase of the "Actuator Accessory Pack"
You are spot on about off-body carry. You’re armed or you’re not and everything else is a liability.
These things exist for legal purposes only.
They are for people that don't want to keep their gun locked away and want it within reach, but for some legal liability reason or otherwise are required to keep it "locked away".
Does this really count as locked away?
@@Jehty_ yes it is behind a coded lock
This is exactly why gun laws don't work. They only hurt the law abiding citizen and give the criminal another advantage.
@@ScottWaa gun laws don't work because people attempt to mitigate or bypass legal requirements while still allowing criminals access to steal fire arms?
@@ScottWaa No, it's why half-arsed gun laws that haven't been enforced for a long enough time don't work. Europe and Japan are doing just fine because criminals can't access guns if there are no guns.
Of course, there isn't enough political will to pull this in the US, but that's a problem with the US, not gun laws in general.
I just got an ad for this thing and my first thought was "this looks way too easy to get into. Let's see if LPL has a video on it"
"The combination is... 1,2,3,4,5...6."
"Hey! That's the combination to the lock on my luggage!"
I recently saw that movie.😃
My luggage combo is 0,0,0. Nobody will guess that.
@@stevenpugsley2542 good thinking! I'd start at 0.0.1 and it'd be the last combination that I'd try... And we all know I'm going to try to use explosives after about two minutes of trying numbers because I don't have that kind of attention or patience.... Or the foresight to pick it up and take it somewhere else to try the last 995 combinations.
@@stevenpugsley2542 Nope, nope, absolutely no-one.
The amount of people saying "I had something like this as a kid" here, IS TO DAM HIGH
The best use of this “Retention Device” is bolted to the bed stand and holding " toys" as a dummy so they waste a few moments while the silent alarm system is activating. (Your kid will only open it once)
Lock Picking Lawyer, After watching your videos for a long time, I decided to actually give it a shot. I managed to turn two Bobby pins into a basic pick set and picked a basic 4 pin lock. It took a few tries but with no training or cutaways to practice with I have nothing but you to thank for demonstrating the skills for this
We use boxes similar to this for transporting firearms to the shooting range. Here (The Netherlands) carrying a firearm is prohibited, you may only travel around with one to and from the shooting range and only if the firearm is in a closed case of sorts in the trunk of the car. I don't have a gun myself, but I've seen a friend of mine who does use a box similar to this one to carry his gun to the range. The box is transported in the trunk in another aluminum suitcase along with his ear- and hearing protection and such.
Well, that is why your government treats you all like trash, family left in the 80’s. They didn’t want Dutch citizens anymore. Replaced with Turks.
I got ads for this like crazy the past few months. I could tell immediately it was a bad idea after the first ad but it kept coming back
So I once found a 3 digit lever combination chain (for a bicycle I guess) in my parents house
I figured I could use it to "close" the garage gate since the car was too long to fit inside.
But I didn't have a combination for it. So on my spare time I'd try from 111 sequentially until I got to 999 or found the code
It took me relatively little time to brute force it, while watching tv or doing other stuff
This was for a chain, now imagine an already weak plastic box with only 6 combinations meant to hold a gun
This is beyond stupid
Thanks LPL you are the best
My impression is that the stopbox is essentially a more secure easy access version of having your firearm in a nightstand drawer. It’s not a safe. It seems like the ultimate function would be to utilize it while you’re sleeping. It’s much more difficult to break into than a nightstand drawer, and judging by their recent ad, it’s as fast if not faster for the owner to draw from. If I were asleep with children in the home, I’d feel pretty safe with this setup.
I am friends with the inventor/owner of Stopbox. This stopbox is great for quick access to you items. Yet it does help keep others out. It is as stated by the company: "Designed to prevent unintentional access while your firearm is not on your body or in the safe. We designed the StopBox with this criteria: Instant, reliable access, in the dark and under stress, without the use of batteries or electronics" That being said. It fit a specific Nitch in the shooting community. I love it.
So what is the actual niche then? I just want to buy one product. Do I need to have my pistol in a safe by day and in a stop box by night because I can open it 1 second faster? Serious question. I'm about ready to return my two stop boxes because I feel a bit ripped off.
I use mine at the office when I don’t feel like sitting at my desk with my carry pistol stuck down my pants all day. It’s the alternative to sticking it in a drawer or leaving it in the car, which is what most people do. None of my coworkers has any clue what it is, it’s just a black plastic thing sitting on my credenza. They’d have no idea how to open it unless they also had one, in which case it’s unlikely they would. I don’t want a gun safe sitting on my desk.
@@peterbigblock The use case you've described is probably the one that makes most sense with a stop box. For me, with a child and a gun that needs to be retained at all times it doesn't make sense. If my state were open carry it would be a different story and I would be using it just as you described.
A: It's so bad... It's a 6 combination lock...
B: Oh. A 6-digit combination lock? That's 1,000,000 possible combinations. That would take a while to brute force.
A: Not 6 digits... 6 possible combinations...
B: Oh...
Technically 15 combinations, since there's no way to know without looking it up that the combination is two buttons, but still.
my dad actually got me something like this for my first ever firearm back when i was 15....but it was mainly used as a case for storage, when he put it away in his locked safe..he passed away and i wasnt really a gun person, so i disposed of the gun properly and kept the case, a few years later i gave it to my 5 year old niece for doll storage or whatever 5 year olds use boxes to store!!....and i turned my back for 30 seconds and it was opened by the time i turned back around, the funny thing is, she is now around 20 years old and still has it, she uses it for her cheap jewelry she doesnt care about and spare change she may have in her pocket when she comes home!
And now you`re defenseless if someone decides to break into your house with a gun. I bet you voted for Biden.
Just returned the three I had ordered 5 minutes after receiving them.. way to easy to get into, did not trust it out of my sight and at 120$ a pop, there are far better (although not ideal) solutions out there at half the cost.
finally a lock i might be able to pick open for once!!!
i guess you missed video 1311
In many states there are laws that just require things be locked, they don’t set minimum requirements for those locks. This company obviously doesn’t want to have to defend themselves in a case, or be the reason that those get rigid definitions that are usually much more expensive, and become a poll tax per se against the poor having the rights everyone is supposed to be guaranteed.
@N Fels You need to stop freaking out and go argue with SCOTUS. I’m just going to block you as it’s clear the sky isn’t blue in your world. There’s only one nut here freaking out, and it’s not me.
Outstanding content, thank you for sharing.
Happy New Year.
I didn't know "four button gun locks that can be decoded in seconds via brute force" was a popular choice for gun lock designers.
I can imagine the disclaimers packaged with such a box. The marketing focuses on speed and reliability of access. But they have an accessory that can change the number of combinations to 16!
That accessory pack doesn't increase the actual number of combinations that someone would have to try to break into it. It increases the owner's number of combinations they can set.
This is more of a zip bag. Something like "this won't fall out of the bag when I drop it on the floor and guests won't just take the gun if they feel like it"
And if it's not too cold, maybe the polycarbonate case won't shatter when it hits the floor.
I thought it was so you could put the gun down without scaring people
It's possible that a ziplock brand food storage bag is more secure than this thing.
@@LJCyrus1, Especially if your hands are wet.
A zip lock bag has more security
Thanks for answering my questions on this box.
There was an episode of something (law and order perhaps) long ago that ended up with a gun safe in the court room. They handed it to a witness and asked them to try to open it, he did within a few seconds by just using one of the first obvious patterns that came to mind. This reminds me of that. That episode also contained some bad math as I recall, they kept saying the lock had thousands of combinations but the lock they described would only have had something like 32.
I was blocked from making comments on this this company's Facebook page for sharing this video in the comments. Thanks for keeping people aware of how 'well' these products are made and work.
As a kid I was persistent enough to open a 3 digit combination lock I found by brute force, I most certainly would have opened this box.
would thie even be challenging enough to interest a kid?
@@ulrichkalber9039 Anything forbidden or for adults only is of interest to kids. As as kid I would have messed with this just to find out what the code was and how to open the lock. If a lock had a weakness, you didn't want to leave me alone with it because it wouldn't lock me out for long.
@@killer2600 Exactly. When I was a kid, the presence of this box in my home would have *guaranteed* I'd open the box and examine the contents in detail.
I can see it now:
Oh look, a strange box. With buttons! Something's inside the box. Hey, how dare you try to hide something from me! And I wanna see how the buttons work. Hum hum hum hummmm... That was easy... What's this inside? Cool, pew pew pew! Okay, how does this box work? Pushing the button slides that plate, moves that thing, which... Oh no, Mom's coming!
A few months later, Dad tries to open the box and can't, because I accidentally changed the combination. A family interrogation ensues...
I wouldn't trust that box to stand up against even my toddler self.
Why would you be holding the extra side button while trying button combinations?
Was thinking about purchasing one. Not at more. Thanks LPL!
I've been getting ads for these lately and I'm glad to see them on your channel to save my money
Would be interesting to see how well it would hold up to a legal case with how clever they are trying not to call it a safe
Juries tend to find dead kids easier to empathize with. Will never see any civil negligence go to court because the manufacture will quickly settle rather than risk a sympathetic jury.
It’s not a safe. It’s an overpriced lockbox (on sale for $74.25 down from $99).
A safe is defined as a strong fireproof cabinet with a complex lock, used for the storage of valuables.
It’s plastic so it’s not fireproof, the lock is cheap and easy to figure out, and is not intended to store valuables (jewelry, deeds, etc).
So if they were sued because someone was using it as a safe, their response to the complaint would most likely include that definition and would most likely get their case dismissed without ever going to court.
@@dr.floridamanphd Hmm. They do spend some time advertising their "Safe lock" in their ad videos and they do show it being used as a gun locker box in other videos.
I think their advertising might be able to cause some trouble in regards to that.
Could be completely wrong, just an idea.
@@dr.floridamanphd I have a metal lock box that after I stuck in a Medeco lock cylinder I was still half that price...
It they don't sell/market it as a safe and you use it as a safe then the liability is on you not them. In California, where they have particular requirements for firearm securement devices/safes this product doesn't meet those requirements. So if you were to secure a firearm in this device, the state of California would consider your firearm, for legal purposes, to not be secured.
It wouldn't surprise me if every single unit has the same combination.
They do. That's why you can't find one in your local store, but you can buy ∞ supply from China. If you could test one before buying, then you wouldn't want it.
Wooow, _6_ possible _different_ combinations! No one will ever get into this w/o knowing the correct combination! So secure! 😲
My guess is this device is a way around some stupid state laws. It might pass the "secure firearm in vehicle" law in California. Just attach it into your truck's console and you're good to go.
You should revisit this with the pro version they’ve released
Not every day we see something easier to get into than a MasterLock.
i have one of these and i use it for transporting my handgun in CA because without a ccw it needs to be in a "locked" container and i have this sitting next to me in my passanger seat with a cable lock because its allowed in the state and i can still deploy it fast
I'm not a fan of firearms, but I am a fan of safety and you are spot on with the secured at all times approach. If all gun owners preached and practiced what you preach, then I would have no issues at all with gun ownership.
This seems like a good solution for "in the car" type situations. By which I mean, you don't want it on your body, but you also don't want it just sliding around under your seat or in your door pocket. But not for much else.
That was my thought as well, albeit the glove compartment has a better lock on it that this
in my state (ohio) we have weird laws regarding guns in cars. you can open carry a pistol without any issues, but you need a concealed weapon permit to have a gun in a car unless its in a locked box.
so open carrying the pistol is fine, unless im sitting in a car, which isnt fine.
but if i put it in this cheap box then it is fine.
gun laws are stupid.
Anything that someone can pickup and carry away should never be used to store a firearm. A proper safe is bolted into the floor or wall.
Because it's plastic I wouldn't trust this anyways because if you ran hard enough you would break it. but it does have a part where you can attach a steel cable to the inside kind of like a bike lock so it can be sort of attached to something. But again it's just hard plastic so yanking hard enough should break it. Kind of wish he tested that too.
Or just make your safe heavy enough it cant be stolen ;)
thank you for showing me the possibly most unsecure manner how one would try to protect something.
It reminds me of a silly old gun law that said a gun in a motor vehicle had to be behind like 4 levels of action to get to it. For example opening the glove box would be 1 action, loading it would be a 2nd action. Perhaps this box provided the other 2 actions.
Before Oklahoma was a full-blown 2nd Amendment state, the law stated that you could possess a handgun in a vehicle so long as it was in a "locked" enclosure, and kept separate from the magazine (or simply unloaded in the case of a revolver). Oddly enough, it was perfectly fine to have a loaded rifle hanging in the back window of your pickup. Boxes like these met the bare minimum definition for "locked", so a lot of people had something like this or very similar.
@@NEMesis1413 I suspect this was done to make cases of murder in the first degree in the event of drive-by shootings far easier to convict on.
I commented on the video you’re referring to with that exact issue and they told me that it is not used to prevent access to a weapon, just provide the illusion of safety.
"The moral of the story is: I chose a half-measure when I should have gone all the way. I'll never make that mistake again. No more half-measures, Walter."
This "retention device" is a half-measure. LPL said it all at the start of the video.
Yea, the device gets retained, the contents not so much.
It takes some thought to open, it avoids latches that could be opened instantly or by indeliberate manipulation or contact, it doesn't need a key or a code, but it gives some impression that it does. That might serve some purpose to some.
I can see a genuine need for a way to secure a gun from accidental use by children while still having it available for emergency use by adults...
...but it seems to me a strong elastic band in the right place would probably do the job.
(Actually that would make a hilarious video for LPL).
when I got married, my wife made me change my gun storage solution from a white flatpack cabinet (sauder, not ikea) to an actual gun safe to keep a curious niece from getting in. the cabinet was more secure than this.
At least they were honest by saying this is not meant to be a gun safe.
Unfortunately this also means this product has no reason to exist either.
Assuming it didn't have this easy brute forcing problem, there is a further problem to this.
With something like code wheels a person has to be quite close in order to read off the wheels if you happen to open it while people are nearby. But this has two big buttons still sticking out after you've entered the code, so they could be seen from much further away and much more quickly.
So the combination is visible from a distance if anyone does actually open it in the presence of the child, and even young children like to mimic adults.
Thanks for sharing this trinket 🤣 Btw, i love your thoughts on where a firearm should be kept! Take care!
When you're method of handgun security is less safe than just tying a bit of rope through the barrel and magazine well.
I hope you had a nice Christmas LPL, have a very happy new year too.
I agree with most of this, especially the part about keeping firearm secure. However I don’t think this case would keep even a toddler away from a gun.
1. To prevent mishaps with cigarette lighters being inadvertently actuated by a toddler EU lighters have a button spring of some defined minimum force, so kids can't press it.
2. To prevent mishaps with guns EU has even better solution: no handguns in private possession unless proven absolutely necessary, hunting weapons under strong regulation...
@@MarekLewandowski_EE I think Switzerland has a very good record in this respect
I have one of these and love it. It's a 'niche' need. But anywhere you keep your firearm readily accessible, and I mean you can grab it and fire it, this can be used. A safe next to my bed is impractical if you ask me, but also, I get a little peace of mind with this thing. Also, nobody knows what this fkn thing is by looking at it. I can leave this on a shelf in my living room, and nobody is ever going to notice it. Let's do a test of putting this in a normal room, no context, and see how long it takes before they end up with a gun in their hand. Not likley to happen.I don't know man, it's a good product and I'll defend it all day
Only acceptable if it is itself locked inside a larger safe 😂
Where I live, transporting a handgun inside the passenger space of a car requires it to be ”locked inside a hard side container” which is not a glovebox or central console. This thing would fit that description, yet allow easy access.
Exactly…. So many people keep calling this a safe, or how it doesn’t keep your gun safe, in the comments… LPL said its not, and the company doesn’t promote it as such. There’s a market for this type of device, even if it doesn’t apply to every situation. The ignorance from others here is astounding.
@@Migh7yb00sh For such purpose this thing is drastically over-priced.
Comment faster than LPL can pick a lock? Nope.
Challenge acce . . . too late.
You would be charged with improper safe storage of a firearm, if you tried to use one of those boxes here in Australia.
I thought they took all your guns away
LPL - This Gun “Retention Device” is disappointing. You don't need ANY of my Covert Companion tools, or even a can of Red Bull to open this.
But, it might have been a fluke.
He did only open it once, so that does leave the possibility that it was a fluke.
@@KeithHearnPlus Not to mention that he knew the combination beforehand. Usually he at least scrambles the combination lock before demonstrating how pointless the lock is.
@@remyredert5670 He went with a brute force attack, and tried every possible combination... all 6 of them.
I 100% agree with you if that gun is not directly contacting your body in that case then there is no point of it. Unless you were to add some kind of external feature like electroshock if you got the combination wrong
I'm curious as to whether it's possible to code this particular "lock" by some combination of gently pressing all the buttons nearly at once, so you can always open it in effectively one or two steps without going through all the combos... I would expect there to be some tolerance issues that would make this possible.
You don't have to press the opening button after getting the combination right (can just hold it down), so I think you could even easily "rake" this by just flailing on the buttons for a few seconds.
A "security" device with a massive 6 possible combinations. That speaks for itself.
These are intended to work much like child safety caps on medicine bottles. They are not intended to keep adolescents out. The way take care of the curious adolescent problem is take away the curious part. If they know gun safety and use the gun all the time at the firing range, they won't be curious about it.
By making it a bit trickier it could be made vastly less likely to have the method guessed.
Teaching your children gun safety 1000x more effective then products like this.
Until the neighbor kids come over...
But kids are stupid and easy to manipulate. You could teach them endless gun safety but the "cool" kid comes over and they will do what he wants to impress him.
LPL is correct on this. Guns should be on your person or in a real safe.
@@mobrocket and kids easily overestimate their own abilities.
If you taught your kid how to safely handle a gun it will think that it can safely handle it even without your supervision.
And then mistakes happen.
or not having guns in your house this isn't the motherfucking wild west
@@maurinavoni6925 small steps.
First we talk about how to safely store the weapons. Ones we got them to do that we can go a step further and start talking about limiting gun ownership.
You wouldn't teach a toddler how to run before he can walk 🤣
I am thoroughly happy with BOTH my StopBox and Chamber Lock. These ARE NOT my only forms of retention, however. They compliment my 18 rifle sentry safe. I don’t believe it should be intended to be the only securing device relied upon, but my question to all you is, how often do your children have unsupervised access to an area in your home that you would have it stored, if not on your person? And maybe that’s what y’all should be re-thinking..? Very happy with BOTH of these products, and recommended them regularly to friends and family 👍
While I agree that a gun optimally did be in your full possession when you are out in the world, I can also envision scenarios where due to the gun laws in the area you cannot have it on your person but also want to have it available. For example you cannot have an open carry in your vehicle and cannot place it on your glove compartment so you need this dumb box to be in compliance.
For when you want an open gun under the cash register, but your state lawmakers give more rights to criminals.
Put stupid box under seat and keep the gun on you. How would they know it wasn't stored in the box?
To be fair, this type of "retention device" is typically intended for transporting the weapon from place to place in the trunk of your car, as many states require the weapon to be in a locked container in the vehicle trunk when transporting it.
So glad you did a video on this! I hate seeing the ads for this thing saying it's completely safe and children won't be able to access it. How dumb do they think people are? What an insult. I'm all for gun ownership and want to see more people own a firearm but so many gun nuts out there talk about how it's unconstitutional to have any gun law but then claim that a criminal that used a gun, used an illegal gun or obtained it illegally.....but how can that be if any gun law is unconstitutional? smh. When I bought my last gun at the gun store, there were like 10 guys in there all talking about how annoying it was to buy a gun and that they should just basically be able to walk into a Walmart and walk out with a bazooka. no joke.
We're finally seeing the parents of a school shooter, the Crumbleys, get the punishment any parents deserve when their kid gets their gun and shoots up the school. But it shouldn't have to be that obvious or whatever for parents to be blamed and punished. Any parent should get life in prison for a shooting that involves a gun from their household. period. If you don't like it then make sure you lock your shit up! wtf? Obey the law if you're a so called law abiding citizen. some states are too extreme with their laws, yes, but for the most part nobody is preventing you from obtaining a firearm....legally. If we all locked our guns up properly from our children then there would be zero school shootings. also quit bitching about the 10 day waiting period, you know it makes perfect sense. you will still get your gun, calm down. 2 shootings in CO this year happened within 10 days of the legal gun purchase. sure they may have gone through with it anyway, but you never know what can happen in a person's life that can make them change their minds. It's not unreasonable. You want to be a responsible gun owner, then prove it! Keep the 2nd Amendment alive! Don't kill it with carelessness! It's the most important law in the world! Don't break the law for a reason that will more than likely never happen in the first place.
Happy New year LPL
Some states have laws about transporting firearms in vehicles like "it must take 'x' number to steps to access the firearm". For instance, having it in the glove box is one step. Having it in a box like this which is in the glove box would be two steps. That's the only case I can think of that this sort of thing makes sense. If I wanted to take my handgun to the range, I can put it in this box, then the glove box, and I'm good to go.
Would a box without a lock count as a "step"?
Tx for that.
Could you please review the "gunbox"?
I saw an ad for this device, and immediately had the same notion. I'm glad you put that idea into practice, so prospective customers could see how bad it was. I hoped you might show multiple exploits though, because it looked like it had many weaknesses.
As did I, but I gave them the benefit of the doubt that it had 31 possible combos.
It’s not a bad device depending on what your use intentions are… if you expect it to perform the same duty as a giant 60 gun fireproof safe, then sure, it’s “bad”… if you need to have a gun in a locked container for transport but still want to have quick access, it’s not bad.
I think this would be good for transportation through states like Illinois where it has to be locked up in some form. It's easy access when needed but it's never needs to be out of sight. I would not store a firearm in this long term but for transportation purposes I believe this would do well if in a pinch
Knowing how anti-gun Illinois is, I wouldn't even try to use this as a firearm securement lock/safe. I'd buy a much cheaper steel pistol keyed or combination lock box before I'd buy this thing for secure transport purposes.
Is there a generally recognised age, above which children can be taught firearm safety (just the basics) ?
I’m guessing around 7?
(But it probably varies from child to child).
Depends on the kid. My niece was probably around 5 when we taught her the basics. But I wouldn't have trusted my ex's teenager with a pointy stick, never mind a firearm.
Children should be taught as soon as they can recognize objects. The first level of instruction is 4 rules to follow when you see a gun of any kind:
1. STOP
2. Don't touch.
3. Leave the area.
4. Tell an adult.
You're right: basic firearm handling and safety can be taught as children reach a more responsible age, which varies by child. Teach safety first, and it's always loaded until you yourself prove it not to be.
It varies from person to person. I know 12 year olds more responsible with firearms than 40 year olds.
@@Cap10VDO no the 4 rules are
1. It's not a toy
2. Always assume it's loaded
3. Never point it at something you don't intend to kill
4. Keep you finger off the trigger unless your going to shoot.
I was 5 when I learned these rules.
Depends on the kid. I think I was taught when I was about 10. In scouts we do it in the Boy Scout part of the program. Boy Scouts, Explorers, Venture.
I saw the new design where it has a hole in the thumb button for a padlock. Which really defeats the purpose of the box as a quick draw retention device
I know what this is for (although it surely was not the intended use and if it costs more than $5, then it's not worth it)
You keep it a bit hidden, not very much. Once your kid/wife/friend opens it, they will find a message not to look for your gun anymore. Better yet, you may add something to it that will alert you that it was opened.
Meanwhile, the actual safe with the gun is somewhere else safely locked.
I gas it's only useful for car trips with family, it can easily stop someone messing with it, and you can tell Cut it out, and you still have somewhat quick access to the gun if needed
Have a good day, Harry.
You’re a wizard Harry.
DID YOU PUT YOUR NAME IN THE GOBLET HARRY ?!
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My dad's got his gun in one of those.. I'ma try it out!! Thx!
An actual safe with a key is faster and safer than this. They do realize video games are a thing right? Kids learn complex button combinations from an early age nowadays.
I think their sales point is with a safe you need the key, or to enter a combination. This is supposed to be nearly as fast as just having the gun sitting on a table. I think it's more comparable to like a strange hidden compartment. Which unfortunately draws the curious people.