I think Court gets voted out a lot because of meta, mostly, but also because she's too soft-spoken and polite to really defend herself whenever she's even mildly sussed. For the most part she tends to respond to suspicion with something like, "well I don't think I'm the only one that could've done this," and when it's clear she's gonna get voted out, she usually accepts it. Hafu fights tooth and nail to not get voted and it works really well because the crew are afraid of accidentally wronging Hafu when she's actually innocent.
You're mostly right. Where you are wrong is that they don't vote Hafu because it's her lobby. She set a precident very early on that if you oppose her too often, she'll stop inviting them. She denies it, but she stopped inviting Poke, Toast, Wolfabelle, and Nelly. What do all 4 have in common? They all go against her too much for her patience. Hafu denies this, but DK and Steve point it out quite often. Even though it's Apollo's lobby, Hafu proved not too long ago that it was STILL her lobby and no f"cks with her when buttoned and pushed a vote on Steve for no reason other her pettiness. Steve was in his right to be upset with her and tell her he'd kill her first. Hafu, for lack of a better word, is a b"tch. Don't believe me? She called Wolfabelle a whore. With started the feud between them. She called Tina a retard. Not only is Tina NOT retard, she doesn't and hasn't ever hindered herself or someone else. This also pissed off the OTV and friends group as well as many of her other friends. In Hafu's defense, she did fly to LA to apologize to Tina in person. Though this did satisfy many of their mutual friends, Tina still won't talk to Hafu. She Kimi a b"tch because Kimi chose to spend time with her family, instead of attending the lobby on Christmas Eve. I don't see how that makes Kimi a b"tch. As for Court, she is too nice but it's her knowledge of the game mechanics and overall skill level that get her voted on nothing. Hell, she gets voted out even when she is clear. So the only part you got right is that Court is a softie. Everything else is just wrong. You forget that lobby has conditioned her to know that she's getting voted regardless, so she doesn't even try anymore.
She also doesn't enjoy being evil like she mentions in this game which is why she has lackluster defense when in comparison to someone like 5up and Hafu who fight tooth and nail to stay in the game cause they love being impostor/evil. Sucks though, cause she's one of my favourites.
@@torturapesnorrarape Yeah, she's got great reads and is rarely confused even when games get chaotic, she just makes a much better crewmate than impostor. I like the calm she brings to the lobby too.
This analysis is hilarious to me because I feel like it completely different to the Courtilly I see in the Chilled lobby. Courtilly wants to be evil just so she can kill Chilled.
I absolutely love Steve's hilarious antics. The fact that Smajor had the same idea just made this even better! Wish DumbDog didn't sus Steve out since he probably would've targeted DK next. 😂
I mean maybe it’s justified. Steve subconsciously realised Smajor sticking with him meant Smajor had a Kill button and probably would kill Steve. Cause let’s be honest, I think if Smajor didn’t have a kill button, he wouldn’t be stuck walking alone with steve!
I'm gonna miss Court so much. I'm glad Junk has Koji and DK left as his nemesisis, but Court will always be the number one villain in his games. With that said, Court really has the most chill and fun attitude, even when she gets susses a lot (even as Crewmate, good god she gets voted out as Crewmate almost as much as Impostor), she's always prioritizing everyone in the lobby having fun. When she sees bad plays, she hypes them up (mostly Kimi). Other players get frustrated with less, but she's always so strong and able to keep her head held up high and smile to the other players and have fun. All of this while also being super smart, methodical and great at deductions.
Hafu is so quick in figuring stuff out until Steve does something that goes against everything she knows - she was the last to realise Steve sheriffed Scott
Courtilly also tends to shoot FAST, if she knows a role she’ll shoot it instantly and the lobby knows that. If someone gets shot (and someone usually does if court has a guess button) court will get voted out fast.
True. guessing Bait this game was pretty much only a Kara/Courtilly/DumbDog move, and i remember her doing such a thing before too. BUT that is only approx
Kimi said her roll, anyone out of curiosity with the ability to scroll could find out bait is available. I think anyone was up for a vote at that point.
Almost every week, Court get call out as like this : Oh, only Court would know that, that must be her. At the beginning it was true that she did stuff that most didn't know, but at this point there is no reason. In this case, anybody that can guess would have been able to cycle and see Bait.
It's more of the annoying meta stuff. Koji was always sus for calling comms when the lobby played Submerged, even if he didn't call comms. Long ago (classic era I think) everyone sussed Hafu for locking doors and everyone sussed 5up and Dumbdog for doing balsy k i l l s. Woolfabell was also always sus when she was alive and there were 3 popped on the first round (because she always did things off cooldown).
yea cause i’ve watched Court in other lobbies and her winrate is so much better bc those lobbies don’t meta sus or troll vote as much or at all, same for 5up.
Yeah that’s what confused me. Even if you didn’t know bait was guessable prior to the round, any bad role would’ve been able to figure it out the moment they start cycling since bait was the first role in the cycle
To me it seems like courtilly has reached the point in this lobby where they view her as a huge threat on the same level as morning lobby viewed 5up in the early days where "this is such a clean kill it must be 5up" or as toast in the otv lobby where they simply felt safe voting either of those 2 simply because of their skill level
“A huge threat” is a player with “lowest impostor Winrate”… I’m just sad we didn’t get to see Courtilly shine more! Also even 5up had an above average impostor Winrate despite the meta being he is very good at the game and a great liar
It's so confusing to me that someone would reveal their own role and get guessed, then everyone will be like "How did someone guess their role? It must be this person, vote now!"
Ikr, I don't even know what Bait is supposed to do exactly, but even I knew for sure you could guess it as impostor or third party killer since I saw it before while someone was scrolling to the roles to guess. How are they not paying attention?
Its because Courtilly is very smart at this game, and they all know that. Plus she tends to shoot very quick and they know that too. And finally, Courtilly hates being imp. If she can find a way to shoot herself out, she usually does. This, coming from a longtime Tilly viewer ❤️
When you watch her, do you notice how she rarely wins as a Killer role - impostor or Neutral? Like does hearing she only wins 7.7% of her impostor games come as a “surprise”? Cause to me, I still go back to double check cause visually she doesn’t seem to struggle as impostor as much as Eg the Junks of the world - but apparently she’s much worse. Ie the eye test is pretty good but the stats don’t reflect that imo.
@@AmongUsAcademyI think she's been playing so long she's burned out IMO. She doesn't take it as serious anymore. If you notice, she doesn't even try to come up with fake pathing stories anymore or defend herself as much as Hafu, 5up, etc. and she always tends to kill quick and get caught to take the heat off her partner so she can get eliminated
@@AmongUsAcademyEven in the ChilledChaos lobbies, she shoots herself out of games quick and tends to talk to chat mostly, I think she's just burned out, but that's just my opinion
@@rirashid88are there stats for the Chilled/Junk lobbies? Pretending there were, do you think Courtilly’s Winrate in those lobbies would be so abnormally low as well? Or do you think she has to deal with extra biases in the Hafu lobby?
@@AmongUsAcademy She gets her wins there, but those lobbies are more content lobbies that use proxy chat. It's a lot more laid back and they have fun with each other, where the Hafu lobbies are more serious and use social deduction. I enjoy both, but you really can't compare the two
I think something similar happened in a game with Ellum, don’t receber which one but I think he was amnesiac and got Aiphas or Steve’s body that were also amnesiac
As a side note, hope Courtilly might be like DK, and be able to come join a lobby here and there despite their regular commitments - University/Work clashing with the Morning Lobby
22:11 love how Steve is still referring to the Airship Era stats showing he had the Number 1 Impostor and Crewmate Winrate back when he was trying (Always laugh in hindsight how salty other got at that fact 😂)
13:40 Courtilly in this lobby must feel like being a baseball batter, with the “Lobby Umpire” calling every single pitch you face a Strike. - you’d have no chance of a decent “batting average/killer winrate”
Yeah. Thing is, the better players respect Courtilly so much they see a crazy Guess or a slightly unconvenient position from her then they rather not take the risk of leaving her Alive. It's the same thing that happen with 5up when he was a very strong impostor BUT with the difference in that the "meme" players like Junk or Skadj also like to Target Court for the lols so she has a Lot less space to manouver than 'prime' 5up for example. Also, She's very chill so Even if people tunnel on her a Lot more she never complains too much which is usually a reason for why people sometimes are reluctant to tunnel on other players that much (like DD, 5up, hafu) who have expressed their unhappiness about that more vocally in the past.
@@Lohpezhoh > Also, She's very chill so Even if people tunnel on her a Lot more she never complains too much which is usually a reason for why people sometimes are reluctant to tunnel on other players that much (like DD, 5up, hafu) who have expressed their unhappiness about that more vocally in the past. This is a very good point. Those 3 players will complain early and often about that kind of stuff. Indeed Hafu has always been one of the most hypocritical on meta sus in particular; back in OG morning lobby days she was always trying to chide people for meta sus while she would always use it herself. BTW I'm not one of the perpetual hafu haters I actually really like her I just think some of her positions around meta sus in particular were very nonsensical and hypocritical. (To throw her a bone, I did like her old rule of not being able to vote purely on meta sus, although it never really felt like they honestly followed it lol)
@@rsk-1337 yeah, the thing is meta-sus is just a part of deception games in general. I feel it's impossible to go around it like "oh i'm gonna pretend i don't sus this person because of whatever" when in the back of their minds You are thinking of them as sus anyway. Personally I never liked the rule because as You said people metasussed anyway. Although for me 5up and DD always have been as vocal as Hafu when getting sussed "unjustifiedly" so I wouldnt single out Hafu there. I would add Koji too recently
Can you compare her stats with a different player like 5up? I think Hafu just gets special treatment because it's her lobby and she gets mad when if they vote her out without hard evidence. With 5up I think they're very quick to vote him out over very little as well. I guess when you're seen as a good player you have to play perfectly or be hard clear, else they'll just randomly vote you.
Hafu is a really good detective in general so ppl tend to trust what she says. Courtilly is very sweet and many times says things like, "if u want to vote me that's fine." that makes others feel more enclined to vote u as u won't be getting upset.
Dang, I did not know the lobby did Court that dirty. In one hand it’s a little flattering to be seen as a threat like this but on the other hand it must be super frustrating to play. I kinda wish the lobby would relax a bit on Court. I don’t even think she’s that bad at defending herself, it’s just so many people are trigger happy on voting her with the smallest inch of sus. It’s been mentioned before that she gets voted out the most (even as Crew). This round in particular was kinda messed up considering that she had a vouch, any imposter who could cycle can see bait as an option.
Courtilly has excellent game sense, but I've noticed that her weakness is clear during meetings, which is actually Hafu's strength. Hafu herself admits that she's not the best at getting good kills despite being sweaty about the game theory, but her talking during meetings is what carried her in most of her impostor games. tl;dr: Court often fails the persuasion check, Hafu doesn't.
26:21 - Here is a thread if you want to discuss how strange it is for anyone outside of the USA, that you need to get a job to have "health benefits/healthcare". - as someone in Australia, I can't fathom having my healthcare shackled to my employment 😯
It depends. Most everywhere healthcare, being given as is, ends up being very poor in quality and therefore not even worth it, at least where I live. By contrast US has uber pricy stuff, but it's a pretty good quality (compared to other places). Also US generally is built around the idea that the state should stay away from as much as possible and instead people should pull themselves up by their bootstraps instead of waiting for handouts.
Health benefits from employment is extremely common around the world and is welcomed by many. However, the issue that is unique to USA is that healthcare cost is abhorrently higher than any other high income nation you can name. Which means, without an expensive and expansive health insurance, most individuals cannot actually afford healthcare when they need it. In most other developed nations in the world, a citizen does not need to rely on a health insurance to be able to see a general practitioner when they suffer minor health setbacks because general healthcare is affordable and subsidised. Courtily probably is unable to afford good insurance on her own and does not want to risk being in debt for when she or her family member needs a checkup and so has decided to get a job for the added healthcare coverage that comes with it. It's really sad to see Americans having limited access to healthcare just because it's so difficult to afford even the bare minimum while their government continues to be a bystander. I hope it gets better.
Well, since 2013 (under "socialist" president Hollande), France has a mix of both : the regular social security encompasses most illnesses and health problems but you get additional* provisions with the health insurance (the "mutuelle" in French) of your employer. If unemployed : you have no additional stuff. (*and I have to check if those now-additional perks used to be covered. It wouldn't surprise me that we got robbed 😆 that's the basic history lesson lower and middle class earners should get from the 2000's and onward in Europe and, I guess, the anglo-saxon world) (Ps sorry for my English if it makes no sense 😂)
It's Among Us in 2024, if you're gonna be toxic towards anyone cause they have a bad winrate in Among Us, you really ought to go touch some grass - I'm not gonna censor anymore, cause quite frankly, everyone show know by now they play the game for fun - just like you'd play Scribblio or Uno or any other party game that might have a leaderboard
13:30 I think she goes to easy on her defense and doesn't back herself up when being accused like what Hafu does. Also, she Hafu tends to suggest they skip and does it in a much more demanding tone instead (she also sometimes takes slight jabs at the peoples character) Court is such a sweetheart, her play style is so different. I'll miss her as a regular. I always thought that streamers made bookoo bucks though, interesting how she's leaving to get a "real job"...
She mentions “medical coverage” as a perk of having a “real job”, but I always thought sole traders/ self employed people Eg Streamers could just pay for their own health insurance as an add on in the US?
I agree it feels like there’s a “higher burden of proof” to vote out Hafu vs someone like Courtilly, Koji or Junk. Even watching the “Vintage Steve” series I noticed this. But how much of this is Hafu simply being a good “defence lawyer” and articulating better, and how much is the lobby being biased against players like Courtilly etc?
@@AmongUsAcademy I think Hafu has an easier time due to the fact she was a very good detective (therefore making her valuable on the final vote) and also because she used to be host.
@@AmongUsAcademy So you can actually buy insurance as just a person in the US. However it is expensive, not very good, has no open enrollment so you have to wait for a specific couple of weeks to apply, and you aren't always guaranteed that your current doctors will be in network. I'm sad she won't be a regular anymore. I really love Court as a person and an entertainer. It kinda sucks that the US system works like this.
@@AmongUsAcademy Yeah the healthcare system in certain states in US is messed up for individuals. With the amount of commas streamers make, it's really not that difficult to setup a S-Crop and write off insurance via that but... it costs a pretty penny for decent coverage especially for a family regardless of if you can write it off, it's tough to justify. Looks like her hubby lost his job around March 12th (checked her twitter for timing), if she had said she was quitting streaming altogether then I'd be more sus, but it seems like she's just rebalancing her schedule and the "morning" lobby doesn't align up with her new "9-5". I'm hoping once hubby gets hired again she'll be back. Til then she'll definitely be missed.
I do think she has a harder time in this lobby cause ppl know she’s good but I think this was a good vote cause it was between hafu and court and that bait guess makes it lean more towards court
14:20 People seem ok with being able to guess “Bait”. But what about being able to guess “Lovers”? - shouldn’t the Lovers need to be subtle enough that they don’t get caught as obvious lovers and shot in meeting? - or is the fact they die together enough of a deterrent to not give themselves away, with no need to be guessable in meeting?
Personally I think Lovers being guessed would be cool. Although I assume the lobby may not want it because then the impos, neutrals basically have two shots (lovers and the other role) to guess. On top of that the lovers is a twin role meaning that impos and neutrals basically have 4 potential shots at getting it right, not to mention that it's actually much easier to guess lover overall, do to the role being 2 out however many players there are, as opposed to the other roles, which are only one of each.
Just make it you need to guess the other lover as well, just have it when a guesser guessing a lover, the other partner lover must have a lover selected inorder to guess 2 of them
I think it's great to have both options guessable because it forces players to more careful and be more deceitful when clearing, traveling together, etc., but that's how I would personally play the game. I personally prefer banning role calling, like in 5up's other lobby. But for this lobby, there's a certain level of trolling and casual play mixed with the more try hard stuff that might be affected by having lover's be guessable, so I'm OK with it not being guessable. Bait, on the other hand, should always be guessable because why would you ever out yourself? Both Aipha and Kimi doing that was so weird.
Wow! I didn't notice that about Courtilly all that much. I think I'm more focused on Junk and how everyone overanalyzes his movements when that's just how he walks. Thanks for telling us this!
I mean I think Junk’s low impostor Winrate is probably more reflective of his relative skill in the game - he himself acknowledges he’s not good as impostor at all. But even Junk has an Imp Winrate more than double Courtilly’s
No court needs to sit on the info and not instantly guess. She's known to be a very good guesser, AND she has no impulse control once she figures out a role.
If dd sussed court she tends to get voted even when everyone knows it's shaky logic. Lots of people make it to the next round but she gets voted pretty quickly
13:30 I think what this actually shows is that people are too soft on Hafu for understandable reasons. It's her lobby so she gets to decide who gets to join and she also gets mad when people vote her out (correctly or incorrectly) for bad reasons. To the point where people like 5up feel the need to apologize to her after the game for a perceived slight. Hafu's definitely smart and a good player but these reasons make it so she'll never get voted out unless there's hard evidence or they're on 6 or something. But she'll vote 5up out for bad movement or taking 1 second too little on a task.
I get Host Hafu getting “home field advantage”. But why is 5up who’s very good at the game like Courtilly, rocking a 22% impostor Winrate, whereas Courtilly only 7.7% - if both get unfairly targeted for being smart?
@@AmongUsAcademy I definitely don't watch every game but I think 5up is very good at winning on kills even if the meetings go poorly. Like if his partner gets voted out on 6, he'll get a pity skip on 4 because they're only 90% sure it's him and then he gets 2 kills for the win. Not sure if Courtily does that type of stuff to clutch wins.
Pretty sure I remember seeing a Chilled (?) lobby where they voted out the arsonist for reporting the body of someone that exploded between two people on the other side of the map.
So there’s a Positive Correlation between Neutral Killer Winrate and Impostor Winrate. Makes sense - since both relying on getting away with getting killed. But how about, is there a or what’s the relationship between: - Crew Winrate and Impostor Winrate? - Crew Winrate and Jester Winrate? - Impostor Winrate and Jester Winrate? - Jester Winrate and Executioner Winrate?
12:30 - I would love to hear your explaination why Courtilly's Impostor Winrate is so low at 7.7%, less than half the second lowest. For comparison, Hafu wins 32.1% of her impostor games (35 out of 109 games). - Courtilly has far many more hours of Modded Among Us under her belt, and is way more familiar with the modpack and game mechanics and interactions - so why is she struggling SO hard to win in the Morning Lobby? (and also does this phenomenon also apply to the other lobbies she plays in e.g. Junk lobbies, Speedy Lobbies etc?)
The Chilled/Junk/Speedy lobbies are far less sweatier and more on funny or troll plays rather than trying to win. In fact they don't try to win, they're just there to hang a good time. Usually they have proximity chat turned on so that contributes to that. While the Morning Lobbies have more of a focus on trying to win.
I think it's a combination of people being scared of Courtilly because they know she's a good liar. Meanwhile, hardly anyone ever calls out Hafu when she's a bad role.
To use D&D terms, Courtilly is high in intelligence and Wisdom, but has low charisma. It is basically very hard for her to talk her way out of meetings. She's good at coming up with a story, but it's hard for her to scrounge up the charisma needed to sell it to the rest of the lobby (who is very sweaty). Compare that with 5up who has more moderate Intelligence and Wisdom, but tons of Charisma. At one point he mentioned that he has a habit of walking weirdly and then talking himself out of it, not to mention all the times he manages to pick exactly who he needs for the final vote in order to win.
I would add that while I agree with Hafu being average or even slightly below average in meetings as imposter nowadays(especially she no longer compartmentalize her morals as much as the among us heydays), she still has great kill mechanics. Something the junk/chilled/vik lobbies never focused on. 5up/Hafu/DD basically studied the maps and action mechanics back then.
I absolutely believe Courtilly should be higher on that list and Hafu lower if we're accounting for bias. I think this lobby has had that Hafu bias for ages where they generally avoid voting her unless it's a hard accuse (and even then, only sometimes) or they're on final six (even 5up had said she has plot armor before). But to Hafu's credit, she is really good at defending herself. She's confident, she will push for her clear, and she's also great at sniping a kill and finding a way out or a person to clear herself with. Courtilly definitely gets unfairly voted, and I do think Dumbdog (who is my favorite) can be responsible for this a lot because he KNOWS how good she is at lying. But also the lobby in general has figured out how good she and Kara are and have a little fear associated with them (which is why I feel like Hafu tunnels on Kara a lot, too). That said, Courtilly isn't the best at defending herself. Honestly, most of the time she just says, "Yeah, I can see why you think that, but no, it wasn't me." She's gotten better, but she still isn't as obstinate as Hafu. Also, and I genuinely think Courtilly is an amazing player, her kills aren't always that slick. Maybe it's because she comes from less sweaty lobbies, but sometimes she just goes for a kill right after being spotted somewhere and then doesn't immediately place herself with someone else. So I think it's a little bit of both-some justified placement and definitely some bias.
I notice Court getting voted out way more than others (whether inno or imp) and Hafu wins matches with weak clears/lies and she makes the same voice every time so its not like she sound more crew or anything.
The thing with Courtilly is that she does big brain guesses and good plays that are too big brain or too good and that immediately eliminates half the crew. This is a good example, who else was going to guess Kimi there except Hafu or Courtilly? If she didn’t shoot Kimi they don’t vote her there. Plus I feel people are reluctant to target Hafu as its her lobby. We expect Courtilly to shoot fast, and we expect Skadj to shoot himself out just as fast.
2:43 half of my wished Smajor managed to morph into Janet to toy with Steve, only for Steve to then Sheriff him immediately - sorta like what Steve once did to Sheriff Janet on MedBay ruclips.net/video/gIk6nUcAbd8/видео.htmlsi=KWxdFwQk2G2HEA6n
Hafu literally (game wise not in real life lol) gets away with murder. There’s been so many games where she’s prettt much so obviously the killer and her alibis are really bad but she STILL wins. I don’t even think she’s good at talking out of it, I think the others have got to the point where they talk themselves out of voting for her or get amnesia when it comes to voting. I’m not saying she’s a bad player but for some reason they are hesitant to vote her. Maybe respect or feeling bad or maybe those times the people left alive to vote her out are the ones who are the worst at retaining information that clearly previously pointed to her being the imposter.
there are times when people don't want to vote the hosts out. ex. skadj in his swapper game mentioned this week on stream he didn't want to swap dumbdog (who now organizes the lobby in the place of hafu, the OG) out for the "3rd game in a row because he organizes the lobbies"
I think some of it stems from early games when people would “joke” that if you vote hafu out you won’t be invited back. And then the people who never got invited back seemed to be those who would go against the core 3. I feel like people play it now for the views and they don’t really seem to have fun (morning lobby). Look at Steve playing other games while in the lobby
I think bc court is so good, they don’t give her a chance to “have fun” like they might with lesser skilled players, if that makes sense. And bc she wasnt part of the original group from OG amongus days, people aren’t as personally tied to her as they may be with others. Just my 2 cents. Appreciate the vids and analysis’.
13:34 Courtilly doesn’t defend herself too well. In the round, her defense was that “it wasn’t her but she could see how folks thought it was”. Not a strong defense. Meanwhile, Hafu’s defense was that she “didn’t even know you could guess Bait” which sounds more believable with her tone. It also hurts Courtilly that she’s so good at lying. She sounds the same in tone and voice whether she’s lying or not. Meaning it’s usually safer for crewmates to vote her out, more often than not.
Honestly I think Courtilly is kinda like Steve, both often get sussed for small things, but they don't seem to care much so they don't try to defend themselves too hard even if the accusations feel meta or unreasonable from a viewer's POV. This match is the perfect example, they essentially got meta sussed and instavoted when they probably could've survived longer if they had fought back harder. They also don't complain about getting voted, so other people don't hesitate to call them out on things like this. Meanwhile, DumbDog for example gets tunneled but he complains a lot when he feels he is being accused unreasonably so he both prolongs his death and makes the others more hesitant to accuse him in the first place. I also remember Courtilly having connection issues which cause her to disconnect, which could affect her winrate.
Junk jumping on voting plus end game is when hafu tunnels on her (which caused an Ello win). I haven’t watch all of them but I think she gets voted on a lot of weak sus because they think she too good.
I actually only remember Courtily as winning, so it made sense for everyone to quickly throw her out for any sus. So the stats actually surprised me. Perhaps that's why you shouldn't get the same bad roles repeatedly Same with Steve as he only gets detective or something worse constantly
I think its a combination of factors. Court is a fierce as hell competitor, so the high level players are always immediately sus of her. Shes also an immaculate guesser, so if any combination of 5up/hafu/dd wre confused how someone got guessed sus immediately falls on her. I also think when she meeting shoots she does it too fast, the other smart shooters wait til a meeting is almost over and they usually craft a lie if needed before that to make them seem clear before shooting.
Hafu's vid through covid were my lifeline - so I have a soft spot for her... but I love to see Court's way to play. And I do think DK or Steve get away with a lot more sketchy stuff than Court 😆 (though it's just a hunch) Either when I like her playing style - she's calm and relaxed. She seems nice to hang out with !
Courtilly really has it rough coz the lobby always accuses her not to mention Junk who is her nemesis at this point. Shame coz she is one of the best players in this lobby and rarely she gets to shine. Scott is in similar situation and poor boi got killed on pride month 😭 its hard but I wouldnt jump on him for it like some people did. imo Hafu thrives coz she started this lobby per se so she gets away with things. Simply she gets good faith that Court doesnt.
They tunnel on courtilly because she's good so when a good kill or especially a guess happens they jump on her. Same if coms is called and koji is alive they automatically think it's him even if he hasn't called coms in weeks
I love most of the most morning lobby, and i am a very local hater of hafu but this isnt entirely on her. Idk the lobby has as awhole been harsh on court amd ive been noticing that for a long time.
Court has the same problem Wolfabel had. They have trigger fingers. Court can connect the dots so fast on who has what roles or at least make very good educated guesses that once she thinks thats what their role is she shoots. She doesnt really wait or hold that info for later. Also since everyone knows how smart she is crew turns real fast on her cause mechanically she can win. They tunnel so quickly out of paranoia kinda how Toast used to get sussed so quickly or always had crew on his side most of the time cause they knew he was giga brained. Shes also more soft spoken or at least not as passionate as other members so its easy for her arguments to loose. Similar to how Koji get voted out so often cause of bad sus or his name just getting thrown in for no reason. They get biased so hard unintentionally.
I think that everything you said about Courtilly is true, but also somewhat applies to Kara, Junk, Aipha, and Huhbombuh, and to an extent Koji and Ellum too. I feel like the OGs (Hafu, 5up, DD, DK, etc) don't get voted out as quickly because they'd be the most vocal about it if it happened to them. But it seems like the newer regulars don't complain about it as much, maybe because they don't want any drama or they're afraid of not getting invited back? Idk. But it is a shame, because I especially love watching Courtilly and Kara, but they're just not alive as much. On a side note, why might this be Court's last session as a regular??? EDIT: Didn't realize it was addressed in dead chat later in the video.
I don't like that "only Court would know to guess that" when it's literally a list of roles that you select from. ANY evil killer could guess that. And it's been on the list for a while in this lobby. Any of them that are capable of reading could have guessed it.
Court does suffer from being too good in some cases. This game is a good example of that. There are plays and guesses that not many people can or will make, and sometimes she can be too fast on the trigger in her guesses. Combine that with Junk always willing to sus and vote her at the drop of a hat and it can be rough. Lastly, and I've noticed this in the Chilled lobbies as well. Court just gets unfairly sussed out and voted. I don't know why, but it's sad to see.
13:36 1000%! And everyone listens to Dumbdog as gospel! And he’s wrong more than not, like Junk isn’t bad as he claimed by seeing him for a second on cams!
I think you already have the answer ... Court is just too "good" 😌 She's known (!) to be super smart so people are easily convinced that she could have done a 5head play ... AND, she's too morally good. Instead of keeping the bait-vote thing to herself, she offered up the info. Too bad she won't be there much more cause I think she could have easily trumped Hafu with a healthy dose of deception ... Hafu, probably, has such a high win rate because she is competitive with a vicious edge 🤔 PS: Tbh, given the chance, I'd rather be friends with Court than Hafu ... but in a game of lying and deceit, Hafu excels.
I thought it was pretty obvious why Courtilly doesn't get many imposter wins, she always sounds absurdly sus. Her "it's not me" always sounds like it is her, ever when she's crew. It's no wonder they vote her out, she loses on the talking. She doesn't sound convincing, unlike Hafu or 5up who can talk themselves out of being voted out even when people are sure it's them.
people are too willing to vote on courtilly. if you don’t know if bait can be guessed, you just have to cycle twice to see that it can be. anyone can do that. so many people still try to guess plaguebarer when they’re facing pestilence that it doesn’t make sense to just tunnel on the smartest players. sure it worked this time but most of the time in that situation you’re just voting out courtilly out of habit
She's the smartest. By nature she's not a fighter PLUS they always vote her out because of meta reasons. It's unfortunate really. She needs a better lobby.
No shade but you asked for an honest answer so I'm going to give it. Absolutely no way I feel sorry for Courtilly; she deserves to lose and all of her losses. She is a damn great player and BECAUSE of that she should be winning but she is her own downfall. She needs to switch up her gameplay (don't kill immediately in meetings, have better stories and alibis, etc) Disguised Toast said in an interview that he needed to constantly change his gameplay b/c other players were learning his tells. That's what a game like Among Us is all about; learning tells and finding the liar or being such a good liar they can't differentiate you from a crewmember.
About Hafu... well imo everyone kisses her ass and that's why she gets away with way more than she should. Using Disguised Toast again as a reference; in the same interview he said people were afraid to vote him out or kill him b/c he ran the lobby. So they catered to him to keep getting invited. This lobby started out as Hafu and DK right? Also this lobby is about winning so don't get upset when they don't pull punches to get the killer out (watch other lobbies if you just want fun where winning doesn't matter) Again imo Steve is bullied, DK is catered to, Junk gets teased mercilessly and the list is endless. Obviously they're friends but patterns do emerge after watching hours of their gameplay and interactions. I thoroughly enjoy this lobby and this channel but asking a question about mistreatment or at least unequal treatment of players..... far too much to actually discuss all the issues that are blatantly apparent.
I am neither a big fan of hafu nor Courtilly, but I can tell you I've seen so many Hafu vs Courtilly cases that I can even remember off the bat that time Courtilly was actually a good role and Hafu was bad in like last 3, yet Courtilly was voted off. For that specific one, I think Kara voted Courtilly who was investigator. Junk also doesn't like Courtilly I've realized that so if there's any accusation on Courtilly, he would definitely jump on the wagon. Dumbdog also metas against Courtilly as well as Hafu herself. Also, I'm sorry but Hafu is just the leader of the lobby, and people are just afraid to meta suss her. DK has jokingly said "Oh she's not gonna invite you back if you vote her" and then laughs off, but in a way, people actually don't vote her unless they have a 1v1 hard accusation against her. If it's ANY META accusation against Hafu, I'm sorry but I can't think of even one at the top of my head. And even if they narrow down to Hafu and someone else rarely meta sussed, they prob won't vote her because of that reason and just skip for the "safe route."
Lmao as soon as you said 'Junk doesn't like Court' I knew everything you typed here is worthless. Junk is incredibly fond of Court, you're just too socially inept to pick up on the social cues involved.
Always found it interesting how being good and the host of the lobby gave Hafu “plot armour”, whereas with the Toast lobbies - it made him get voted out even more!
@@AmongUsAcademy Hafu's intelligence comes from her insecurities. So while she has smart arguments, her arguments come out with an undertone of victimhood. Other people feel the burden of proof. She herself also believes in effort, so people are more serious argument for or against her, again, less likely to just throw her out randomly. Court has a caring voice and often expresses herself in a way that looks like she doesn't mind what results she gets. Kara even shows her smarts and is even more assertive and in your face when she is confident, which could even put people off. I would say it causes some male players to throw her out a little more than randomly (not necessarily accusing anyone it this particular lobby)
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“So who would kill Scott on his last game during pride month, Steve?”
5:10 DK’s “ON PRIDE MONTH?! 🏳️🌈”
@@AmongUsAcademy I watched DK's POV and he had the same idea too so it's extra funny he says that 😂
@@AmongUsAcademy DK leaving two members of the LGBT+ community to the end ugh he's such an ally 🌈💜
@@cliveybear this made me cackle. Thank you internet stranger o7
Awwhhh poor Courtilly, she’s so good at the game it’s a shame she won’t be a regular anymore I thought she was a good rival to ddog
I think Court gets voted out a lot because of meta, mostly, but also because she's too soft-spoken and polite to really defend herself whenever she's even mildly sussed. For the most part she tends to respond to suspicion with something like, "well I don't think I'm the only one that could've done this," and when it's clear she's gonna get voted out, she usually accepts it. Hafu fights tooth and nail to not get voted and it works really well because the crew are afraid of accidentally wronging Hafu when she's actually innocent.
This is the most obvious reason.
You're mostly right. Where you are wrong is that they don't vote Hafu because it's her lobby.
She set a precident very early on that if you oppose her too often, she'll stop inviting them.
She denies it, but she stopped inviting Poke, Toast, Wolfabelle, and Nelly.
What do all 4 have in common? They all go against her too much for her patience.
Hafu denies this, but DK and Steve point it out quite often.
Even though it's Apollo's lobby, Hafu proved not too long ago that it was STILL her lobby and no f"cks with her when buttoned and pushed a vote on Steve for no reason other her pettiness.
Steve was in his right to be upset with her and tell her he'd kill her first.
Hafu, for lack of a better word, is a b"tch.
Don't believe me?
She called Wolfabelle a whore. With started the feud between them.
She called Tina a retard.
Not only is Tina NOT retard, she doesn't and hasn't ever hindered herself or someone else.
This also pissed off the OTV and friends group as well as many of her other friends.
In Hafu's defense, she did fly to LA to apologize to Tina in person. Though this did satisfy many of their mutual friends, Tina still won't talk to Hafu.
She Kimi a b"tch because Kimi chose to spend time with her family, instead of attending the lobby on Christmas Eve.
I don't see how that makes Kimi a b"tch.
As for Court, she is too nice but it's her knowledge of the game mechanics and overall skill level that get her voted on nothing.
Hell, she gets voted out even when she is clear.
So the only part you got right is that Court is a softie. Everything else is just wrong.
You forget that lobby has conditioned her to know that she's getting voted regardless, so she doesn't even try anymore.
She also doesn't enjoy being evil like she mentions in this game which is why she has lackluster defense when in comparison to someone like 5up and Hafu who fight tooth and nail to stay in the game cause they love being impostor/evil. Sucks though, cause she's one of my favourites.
@@torturapesnorrarape Yeah, she's got great reads and is rarely confused even when games get chaotic, she just makes a much better crewmate than impostor. I like the calm she brings to the lobby too.
This analysis is hilarious to me because I feel like it completely different to the Courtilly I see in the Chilled lobby. Courtilly wants to be evil just so she can kill Chilled.
I absolutely love Steve's hilarious antics. The fact that Smajor had the same idea just made this even better!
Wish DumbDog didn't sus Steve out since he probably would've targeted DK next. 😂
I mean maybe it’s justified. Steve subconsciously realised Smajor sticking with him meant Smajor had a Kill button and probably would kill Steve.
Cause let’s be honest, I think if Smajor didn’t have a kill button, he wouldn’t be stuck walking alone with steve!
@@AmongUsAcademyTbf ơn Scott’s screen they weren’t really walking together cuz of desync
I'm gonna miss Court so much. I'm glad Junk has Koji and DK left as his nemesisis, but Court will always be the number one villain in his games.
With that said, Court really has the most chill and fun attitude, even when she gets susses a lot (even as Crewmate, good god she gets voted out as Crewmate almost as much as Impostor), she's always prioritizing everyone in the lobby having fun. When she sees bad plays, she hypes them up (mostly Kimi). Other players get frustrated with less, but she's always so strong and able to keep her head held up high and smile to the other players and have fun. All of this while also being super smart, methodical and great at deductions.
Why is she leaving?
Hafu is so quick in figuring stuff out until Steve does something that goes against everything she knows - she was the last to realise Steve sheriffed Scott
Well your opponents can't predict you if you're being illogical
can't predict a monkey
Courtilly also tends to shoot FAST, if she knows a role she’ll shoot it instantly and the lobby knows that. If someone gets shot (and someone usually does if court has a guess button) court will get voted out fast.
True. guessing Bait this game was pretty much only a Kara/Courtilly/DumbDog move, and i remember her doing such a thing before too.
BUT that is only approx
Kimi said her roll, anyone out of curiosity with the ability to scroll could find out bait is available. I think anyone was up for a vote at that point.
Almost every week, Court get call out as like this : Oh, only Court would know that, that must be her.
At the beginning it was true that she did stuff that most didn't know, but at this point there is no reason. In this case, anybody that can guess would have been able to cycle and see Bait.
It's more of the annoying meta stuff. Koji was always sus for calling comms when the lobby played Submerged, even if he didn't call comms.
Long ago (classic era I think) everyone sussed Hafu for locking doors and everyone sussed 5up and Dumbdog for doing balsy k i l l s.
Woolfabell was also always sus when she was alive and there were 3 popped on the first round (because she always did things off cooldown).
Court also doesn't defend herself very well it's like she is not even trying as a bad role.
yea cause i’ve watched Court in other lobbies and her winrate is so much better bc those lobbies don’t meta sus or troll vote as much or at all, same for 5up.
Yeah that’s what confused me. Even if you didn’t know bait was guessable prior to the round, any bad role would’ve been able to figure it out the moment they start cycling since bait was the first role in the cycle
Janet: "I can't shield her from herself."
To me it seems like courtilly has reached the point in this lobby where they view her as a huge threat on the same level as morning lobby viewed 5up in the early days where "this is such a clean kill it must be 5up" or as toast in the otv lobby where they simply felt safe voting either of those 2 simply because of their skill level
and how people used to act with Toast. Anytime the killers were doing too well, vote out Toast just in case.
“A huge threat” is a player with “lowest impostor Winrate”… I’m just sad we didn’t get to see Courtilly shine more!
Also even 5up had an above average impostor Winrate despite the meta being he is very good at the game and a great liar
It's so confusing to me that someone would reveal their own role and get guessed, then everyone will be like "How did someone guess their role? It must be this person, vote now!"
and Hafu struggling to get a body was so hilarious
Ikr, I don't even know what Bait is supposed to do exactly, but even I knew for sure you could guess it as impostor or third party killer since I saw it before while someone was scrolling to the roles to guess. How are they not paying attention?
It's not just that, it was also between her and Hafu for the kill. Not technically but that's what was said in the meeting.
DK cleared courtilly In admin so it was purely based on the guessing, which kimi said her roll. I definitely think court gets guessed wayyy too much.
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Bait means the impo is basically forced to self report, meaning that the player has to come up with a story on the fly.
Its because Courtilly is very smart at this game, and they all know that. Plus she tends to shoot very quick and they know that too. And finally, Courtilly hates being imp. If she can find a way to shoot herself out, she usually does. This, coming from a longtime Tilly viewer ❤️
When you watch her, do you notice how she rarely wins as a Killer role - impostor or Neutral? Like does hearing she only wins 7.7% of her impostor games come as a “surprise”?
Cause to me, I still go back to double check cause visually she doesn’t seem to struggle as impostor as much as Eg the Junks of the world - but apparently she’s much worse. Ie the eye test is pretty good but the stats don’t reflect that imo.
@@AmongUsAcademyI think she's been playing so long she's burned out IMO. She doesn't take it as serious anymore. If you notice, she doesn't even try to come up with fake pathing stories anymore or defend herself as much as Hafu, 5up, etc. and she always tends to kill quick and get caught to take the heat off her partner so she can get eliminated
@@AmongUsAcademyEven in the ChilledChaos lobbies, she shoots herself out of games quick and tends to talk to chat mostly, I think she's just burned out, but that's just my opinion
@@rirashid88are there stats for the Chilled/Junk lobbies? Pretending there were, do you think Courtilly’s Winrate in those lobbies would be so abnormally low as well? Or do you think she has to deal with extra biases in the Hafu lobby?
@@AmongUsAcademy She gets her wins there, but those lobbies are more content lobbies that use proxy chat. It's a lot more laid back and they have fun with each other, where the Hafu lobbies are more serious and use social deduction. I enjoy both, but you really can't compare the two
It would be hilarious if Hafu had reached Aipha's body first and picked up his Amnesiac role 😭
I think something similar happened in a game with Ellum, don’t receber which one but I think he was amnesiac and got Aiphas or Steve’s body that were also amnesiac
As a side note, hope Courtilly might be like DK, and be able to come join a lobby here and there despite their regular commitments - University/Work clashing with the Morning Lobby
22:11 love how Steve is still referring to the Airship Era stats showing he had the Number 1 Impostor and Crewmate Winrate back when he was trying
(Always laugh in hindsight how salty other got at that fact 😂)
My favorite era tbhhhhh
13:40 Courtilly in this lobby must feel like being a baseball batter, with the “Lobby Umpire” calling every single pitch you face a Strike.
- you’d have no chance of a decent “batting average/killer winrate”
Yeah. Thing is, the better players respect Courtilly so much they see a crazy Guess or a slightly unconvenient position from her then they rather not take the risk of leaving her Alive. It's the same thing that happen with 5up when he was a very strong impostor BUT with the difference in that the "meme" players like Junk or Skadj also like to Target Court for the lols so she has a Lot less space to manouver than 'prime' 5up for example. Also, She's very chill so Even if people tunnel on her a Lot more she never complains too much which is usually a reason for why people sometimes are reluctant to tunnel on other players that much (like DD, 5up, hafu) who have expressed their unhappiness about that more vocally in the past.
@@Lohpezhoh > Also, She's very chill so Even if people tunnel on her a Lot more she never complains too much which is usually a reason for why people sometimes are reluctant to tunnel on other players that much (like DD, 5up, hafu) who have expressed their unhappiness about that more vocally in the past.
This is a very good point. Those 3 players will complain early and often about that kind of stuff. Indeed Hafu has always been one of the most hypocritical on meta sus in particular; back in OG morning lobby days she was always trying to chide people for meta sus while she would always use it herself. BTW I'm not one of the perpetual hafu haters I actually really like her I just think some of her positions around meta sus in particular were very nonsensical and hypocritical. (To throw her a bone, I did like her old rule of not being able to vote purely on meta sus, although it never really felt like they honestly followed it lol)
@@rsk-1337 yeah, the thing is meta-sus is just a part of deception games in general. I feel it's impossible to go around it like "oh i'm gonna pretend i don't sus this person because of whatever" when in the back of their minds You are thinking of them as sus anyway. Personally I never liked the rule because as You said people metasussed anyway.
Although for me 5up and DD always have been as vocal as Hafu when getting sussed "unjustifiedly" so I wouldnt single out Hafu there. I would add Koji too recently
Can you compare her stats with a different player like 5up? I think Hafu just gets special treatment because it's her lobby and she gets mad when if they vote her out without hard evidence. With 5up I think they're very quick to vote him out over very little as well. I guess when you're seen as a good player you have to play perfectly or be hard clear, else they'll just randomly vote you.
Hafu is a really good detective in general so ppl tend to trust what she says. Courtilly is very sweet and many times says things like, "if u want to vote me that's fine." that makes others feel more enclined to vote u as u won't be getting upset.
I have never laughed so hard with steve antics. I can’t
Steve is a prominent 2nd Amendment supporter, and it was a pretty clear cut case of self defence - Scott was armed and out to kill Steve after all
@@AmongUsAcademy
Bro so true! xD
Dang, I did not know the lobby did Court that dirty. In one hand it’s a little flattering to be seen as a threat like this but on the other hand it must be super frustrating to play.
I kinda wish the lobby would relax a bit on Court. I don’t even think she’s that bad at defending herself, it’s just so many people are trigger happy on voting her with the smallest inch of sus. It’s been mentioned before that she gets voted out the most (even as Crew). This round in particular was kinda messed up considering that she had a vouch, any imposter who could cycle can see bait as an option.
Courtilly has excellent game sense, but I've noticed that her weakness is clear during meetings, which is actually Hafu's strength. Hafu herself admits that she's not the best at getting good kills despite being sweaty about the game theory, but her talking during meetings is what carried her in most of her impostor games.
tl;dr: Court often fails the persuasion check, Hafu doesn't.
26:21 - Here is a thread if you want to discuss how strange it is for anyone outside of the USA, that you need to get a job to have "health benefits/healthcare".
- as someone in Australia, I can't fathom having my healthcare shackled to my employment 😯
It's great when you work for a good company that pays for most of the cost though.
It depends. Most everywhere healthcare, being given as is, ends up being very poor in quality and therefore not even worth it, at least where I live.
By contrast US has uber pricy stuff, but it's a pretty good quality (compared to other places).
Also US generally is built around the idea that the state should stay away from as much as possible and instead people should pull themselves up by their bootstraps instead of waiting for handouts.
Health benefits from employment is extremely common around the world and is welcomed by many. However, the issue that is unique to USA is that healthcare cost is abhorrently higher than any other high income nation you can name. Which means, without an expensive and expansive health insurance, most individuals cannot actually afford healthcare when they need it. In most other developed nations in the world, a citizen does not need to rely on a health insurance to be able to see a general practitioner when they suffer minor health setbacks because general healthcare is affordable and subsidised. Courtily probably is unable to afford good insurance on her own and does not want to risk being in debt for when she or her family member needs a checkup and so has decided to get a job for the added healthcare coverage that comes with it. It's really sad to see Americans having limited access to healthcare just because it's so difficult to afford even the bare minimum while their government continues to be a bystander. I hope it gets better.
Well, since 2013 (under "socialist" president Hollande), France has a mix of both : the regular social security encompasses most illnesses and health problems but you get additional* provisions with the health insurance (the "mutuelle" in French) of your employer.
If unemployed : you have no additional stuff.
(*and I have to check if those now-additional perks used to be covered. It wouldn't surprise me that we got robbed 😆 that's the basic history lesson lower and middle class earners should get from the 2000's and onward in Europe and, I guess, the anglo-saxon world)
(Ps sorry for my English if it makes no sense 😂)
It's Among Us in 2024, if you're gonna be toxic towards anyone cause they have a bad winrate in Among Us, you really ought to go touch some grass
- I'm not gonna censor anymore, cause quite frankly, everyone show know by now they play the game for fun - just like you'd play Scribblio or Uno or any other party game that might have a leaderboard
13:30
I think she goes to easy on her defense and doesn't back herself up when being accused like what Hafu does. Also, she Hafu tends to suggest they skip and does it in a much more demanding tone instead (she also sometimes takes slight jabs at the peoples character) Court is such a sweetheart, her play style is so different. I'll miss her as a regular. I always thought that streamers made bookoo bucks though, interesting how she's leaving to get a "real job"...
She mentions “medical coverage” as a perk of having a “real job”, but I always thought sole traders/ self employed people Eg Streamers could just pay for their own health insurance as an add on in the US?
I agree it feels like there’s a “higher burden of proof” to vote out Hafu vs someone like Courtilly, Koji or Junk. Even watching the “Vintage Steve” series I noticed this.
But how much of this is Hafu simply being a good “defence lawyer” and articulating better, and how much is the lobby being biased against players like Courtilly etc?
@@AmongUsAcademy
I think Hafu has an easier time due to the fact she was a very good detective (therefore making her valuable on the final vote) and also because she used to be host.
@@AmongUsAcademy
So you can actually buy insurance as just a person in the US. However it is expensive, not very good, has no open enrollment so you have to wait for a specific couple of weeks to apply, and you aren't always guaranteed that your current doctors will be in network.
I'm sad she won't be a regular anymore. I really love Court as a person and an entertainer. It kinda sucks that the US system works like this.
@@AmongUsAcademy
Yeah the healthcare system in certain states in US is messed up for individuals. With the amount of commas streamers make, it's really not that difficult to setup a S-Crop and write off insurance via that but... it costs a pretty penny for decent coverage especially for a family regardless of if you can write it off, it's tough to justify.
Looks like her hubby lost his job around March 12th (checked her twitter for timing), if she had said she was quitting streaming altogether then I'd be more sus, but it seems like she's just rebalancing her schedule and the "morning" lobby doesn't align up with her new "9-5". I'm hoping once hubby gets hired again she'll be back. Til then she'll definitely be missed.
I do think she has a harder time in this lobby cause ppl know she’s good but I think this was a good vote cause it was between hafu and court and that bait guess makes it lean more towards court
#JusticeForCourtilly
I love watching Courtilly, she is so funny and sweet! Plus, Steve is too funny, classic Steve behaviour 😂
Thanks for another great vid ❤️
Thank God, a different map other than Polus. It's was feeling like groundhog Day....
Yet they still refuse to TRY at least MOVING VITALS TO MEDBAY!!! Sigh… it’s a simple option you can tick in the settings
14:20 People seem ok with being able to guess “Bait”. But what about being able to guess “Lovers”?
- shouldn’t the Lovers need to be subtle enough that they don’t get caught as obvious lovers and shot in meeting?
- or is the fact they die together enough of a deterrent to not give themselves away, with no need to be guessable in meeting?
Personally I think Lovers being guessed would be cool. Although I assume the lobby may not want it because then the impos, neutrals basically have two shots (lovers and the other role) to guess. On top of that the lovers is a twin role meaning that impos and neutrals basically have 4 potential shots at getting it right, not to mention that it's actually much easier to guess lover overall, do to the role being 2 out however many players there are, as opposed to the other roles, which are only one of each.
Just make it you need to guess the other lover as well, just have it when a guesser guessing a lover, the other partner lover must have a lover selected inorder to guess 2 of them
I think it's great to have both options guessable because it forces players to more careful and be more deceitful when clearing, traveling together, etc., but that's how I would personally play the game. I personally prefer banning role calling, like in 5up's other lobby. But for this lobby, there's a certain level of trolling and casual play mixed with the more try hard stuff that might be affected by having lover's be guessable, so I'm OK with it not being guessable. Bait, on the other hand, should always be guessable because why would you ever out yourself? Both Aipha and Kimi doing that was so weird.
Dumbdog: Junk is bad. Meanwhile Junk just having some fun running around the heart hearing the squishing sounds.
Wow! I didn't notice that about Courtilly all that much. I think I'm more focused on Junk and how everyone overanalyzes his movements when that's just how he walks. Thanks for telling us this!
I mean I think Junk’s low impostor Winrate is probably more reflective of his relative skill in the game - he himself acknowledges he’s not good as impostor at all. But even Junk has an Imp Winrate more than double Courtilly’s
@@AmongUsAcademy I see, ok!
No court needs to sit on the info and not instantly guess. She's known to be a very good guesser, AND she has no impulse control once she figures out a role.
If Hafu manage to get Aipha roles, her expression will be priceless when realize she got amnesiac
"I'm sorry, Courtilly; you were just an easy target."
It’s because dumb dog always metas court and try’s to meta Steve but is always wrong now lol no hate towards dumb dog just my observation
13:49 DumbDog is self aware here. But I wonder if he realises that by doing so he’s more than halving Courtillys impostor Winrate…
I noticed the Courtilly bias too. I have no idea why.
If dd sussed court she tends to get voted even when everyone knows it's shaky logic. Lots of people make it to the next round but she gets voted pretty quickly
13:30 I think what this actually shows is that people are too soft on Hafu for understandable reasons. It's her lobby so she gets to decide who gets to join and she also gets mad when people vote her out (correctly or incorrectly) for bad reasons. To the point where people like 5up feel the need to apologize to her after the game for a perceived slight. Hafu's definitely smart and a good player but these reasons make it so she'll never get voted out unless there's hard evidence or they're on 6 or something. But she'll vote 5up out for bad movement or taking 1 second too little on a task.
I get Host Hafu getting “home field advantage”. But why is 5up who’s very good at the game like Courtilly, rocking a 22% impostor Winrate, whereas Courtilly only 7.7% - if both get unfairly targeted for being smart?
@@AmongUsAcademy I definitely don't watch every game but I think 5up is very good at winning on kills even if the meetings go poorly. Like if his partner gets voted out on 6, he'll get a pity skip on 4 because they're only 90% sure it's him and then he gets 2 kills for the win.
Not sure if Courtily does that type of stuff to clutch wins.
I wonder what would happen if the bait is killed by an arsonist indirectly.
Pretty sure I remember seeing a Chilled (?) lobby where they voted out the arsonist for reporting the body of someone that exploded between two people on the other side of the map.
0:14 - Yup, getting really into Baseball. Dodgers fan, cause of Shohei - come at me.
Thinking of calculating WARs for the morning lobby regulars...
Unsubbing for the Red Sox 😢😢😢
Jk I'm European. I know Hattie gets on base more than Peña tho
So there’s a Positive Correlation between Neutral Killer Winrate and Impostor Winrate. Makes sense - since both relying on getting away with getting killed.
But how about, is there a or what’s the relationship between:
- Crew Winrate and Impostor Winrate?
- Crew Winrate and Jester Winrate?
- Impostor Winrate and Jester Winrate?
- Jester Winrate and Executioner Winrate?
12:30 - I would love to hear your explaination why Courtilly's Impostor Winrate is so low at 7.7%, less than half the second lowest. For comparison, Hafu wins 32.1% of her impostor games (35 out of 109 games).
- Courtilly has far many more hours of Modded Among Us under her belt, and is way more familiar with the modpack and game mechanics and interactions
- so why is she struggling SO hard to win in the Morning Lobby? (and also does this phenomenon also apply to the other lobbies she plays in e.g. Junk lobbies, Speedy Lobbies etc?)
The Chilled/Junk/Speedy lobbies are far less sweatier and more on funny or troll plays rather than trying to win. In fact they don't try to win, they're just there to hang a good time. Usually they have proximity chat turned on so that contributes to that.
While the Morning Lobbies have more of a focus on trying to win.
I think it's a combination of people being scared of Courtilly because they know she's a good liar. Meanwhile, hardly anyone ever calls out Hafu when she's a bad role.
To use D&D terms, Courtilly is high in intelligence and Wisdom, but has low charisma. It is basically very hard for her to talk her way out of meetings. She's good at coming up with a story, but it's hard for her to scrounge up the charisma needed to sell it to the rest of the lobby (who is very sweaty). Compare that with 5up who has more moderate Intelligence and Wisdom, but tons of Charisma. At one point he mentioned that he has a habit of walking weirdly and then talking himself out of it, not to mention all the times he manages to pick exactly who he needs for the final vote in order to win.
I would add that while I agree with Hafu being average or even slightly below average in meetings as imposter nowadays(especially she no longer compartmentalize her morals as much as the among us heydays), she still has great kill mechanics. Something the junk/chilled/vik lobbies never focused on. 5up/Hafu/DD basically studied the maps and action mechanics back then.
I absolutely believe Courtilly should be higher on that list and Hafu lower if we're accounting for bias. I think this lobby has had that Hafu bias for ages where they generally avoid voting her unless it's a hard accuse (and even then, only sometimes) or they're on final six (even 5up had said she has plot armor before). But to Hafu's credit, she is really good at defending herself. She's confident, she will push for her clear, and she's also great at sniping a kill and finding a way out or a person to clear herself with. Courtilly definitely gets unfairly voted, and I do think Dumbdog (who is my favorite) can be responsible for this a lot because he KNOWS how good she is at lying. But also the lobby in general has figured out how good she and Kara are and have a little fear associated with them (which is why I feel like Hafu tunnels on Kara a lot, too). That said, Courtilly isn't the best at defending herself. Honestly, most of the time she just says, "Yeah, I can see why you think that, but no, it wasn't me." She's gotten better, but she still isn't as obstinate as Hafu. Also, and I genuinely think Courtilly is an amazing player, her kills aren't always that slick. Maybe it's because she comes from less sweaty lobbies, but sometimes she just goes for a kill right after being spotted somewhere and then doesn't immediately place herself with someone else. So I think it's a little bit of both-some justified placement and definitely some bias.
i'm gonna miss court so much
I notice Court getting voted out way more than others (whether inno or imp) and Hafu wins matches with weak clears/lies and she makes the same voice every time so its not like she sound more crew or anything.
I mean the stats seem to back up what you notice
The thing with Courtilly is that she does big brain guesses and good plays that are too big brain or too good and that immediately eliminates half the crew. This is a good example, who else was going to guess Kimi there except Hafu or Courtilly? If she didn’t shoot Kimi they don’t vote her there. Plus I feel people are reluctant to target Hafu as its her lobby.
We expect Courtilly to shoot fast, and we expect Skadj to shoot himself out just as fast.
2:43 half of my wished Smajor managed to morph into Janet to toy with Steve, only for Steve to then Sheriff him immediately
- sorta like what Steve once did to Sheriff Janet on MedBay
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Hafu literally (game wise not in real life lol) gets away with murder. There’s been so many games where she’s prettt much so obviously the killer and her alibis are really bad but she STILL wins. I don’t even think she’s good at talking out of it, I think the others have got to the point where they talk themselves out of voting for her or get amnesia when it comes to voting. I’m not saying she’s a bad player but for some reason they are hesitant to vote her. Maybe respect or feeling bad or maybe those times the people left alive to vote her out are the ones who are the worst at retaining information that clearly previously pointed to her being the imposter.
there are times when people don't want to vote the hosts out. ex. skadj in his swapper game mentioned this week on stream he didn't want to swap dumbdog (who now organizes the lobby in the place of hafu, the OG) out for the "3rd game in a row because he organizes the lobbies"
@@MC-sd6dpso DumbDog and Hafu get a bit of “Home Field Advantage” for being the Hosts eh?
I think some of it stems from early games when people would “joke” that if you vote hafu out you won’t be invited back. And then the people who never got invited back seemed to be those who would go against the core 3. I feel like people play it now for the views and they don’t really seem to have fun (morning lobby). Look at Steve playing other games while in the lobby
20:07
It would've been so much funnier if Hafu got it and realised...
That would have been amazing!
I do feel like Court and Koji in particular are voted out more often than others, and aren’t given the benefit of the doubt as much as others
court is too powerful they gotta just take their chances and be safe haha
Someone did something really smart and we can't figure it out... must be Courtilly, and it's usually right because she's the biggest brain.
I think bc court is so good, they don’t give her a chance to “have fun” like they might with lesser skilled players, if that makes sense. And bc she wasnt part of the original group from OG amongus days, people aren’t as personally tied to her as they may be with others. Just my 2 cents. Appreciate the vids and analysis’.
13:34
Courtilly doesn’t defend herself too well. In the round, her defense was that “it wasn’t her but she could see how folks thought it was”. Not a strong defense.
Meanwhile, Hafu’s defense was that she “didn’t even know you could guess Bait” which sounds more believable with her tone.
It also hurts Courtilly that she’s so good at lying. She sounds the same in tone and voice whether she’s lying or not. Meaning it’s usually safer for crewmates to vote her out, more often than not.
Honestly I think Courtilly is kinda like Steve, both often get sussed for small things, but they don't seem to care much so they don't try to defend themselves too hard even if the accusations feel meta or unreasonable from a viewer's POV. This match is the perfect example, they essentially got meta sussed and instavoted when they probably could've survived longer if they had fought back harder.
They also don't complain about getting voted, so other people don't hesitate to call them out on things like this. Meanwhile, DumbDog for example gets tunneled but he complains a lot when he feels he is being accused unreasonably so he both prolongs his death and makes the others more hesitant to accuse him in the first place.
I also remember Courtilly having connection issues which cause her to disconnect, which could affect her winrate.
Junk jumping on voting plus end game is when hafu tunnels on her (which caused an Ello win). I haven’t watch all of them but I think she gets voted on a lot of weak sus because they think she too good.
That was definitely a move from Steve. One that contributes to his lack of success rate lols. Everyone wants to uno reverse do this to Steve!
I actually only remember Courtily as winning, so it made sense for everyone to quickly throw her out for any sus. So the stats actually surprised me.
Perhaps that's why you shouldn't get the same bad roles repeatedly
Same with Steve as he only gets detective or something worse constantly
it would be very interesting to see the stats of how many times people get voted out regardless of their role
I hope she gets lots of subs from this so she can do this full time instead!
I think its a combination of factors. Court is a fierce as hell competitor, so the high level players are always immediately sus of her. Shes also an immaculate guesser, so if any combination of 5up/hafu/dd wre confused how someone got guessed sus immediately falls on her. I also think when she meeting shoots she does it too fast, the other smart shooters wait til a meeting is almost over and they usually craft a lie if needed before that to make them seem clear before shooting.
Why would you put up a picture that blocks the voting at 22:18 mark? It was interesting to see if they got voted out while swapped
I was wondering when they were gonna play this map, after seeing Chilled lobby play it
Man this custom map just gets more and more disturbing and i dont like it, the video is so much harder to watch it creeps me out, also lets go steve!
Skill issue
Hafu's vid through covid were my lifeline - so I have a soft spot for her... but I love to see Court's way to play. And I do think DK or Steve get away with a lot more sketchy stuff than Court 😆 (though it's just a hunch)
Either when I like her playing style - she's calm and relaxed. She seems nice to hang out with !
Courtilly really has it rough coz the lobby always accuses her not to mention Junk who is her nemesis at this point. Shame coz she is one of the best players in this lobby and rarely she gets to shine. Scott is in similar situation and poor boi got killed on pride month 😭 its hard but I wouldnt jump on him for it like some people did. imo Hafu thrives coz she started this lobby per se so she gets away with things. Simply she gets good faith that Court doesnt.
court needs to just like, never assassinate again, lol
What job did courtilly get?
I love Skadj. 😂😂
*courtilly announces no longer being a regular
everyone: NOOOO WHY
Skadj: finally
Didn't 5ups map cost like a TON of money but somehow this fanmade map exists too? Who made it?
To be fair, this map is just a reskin of existing maps and tasks. 5up's map includes all new tasks and is also HUGE.
Not on Pride Month lmao
Ant dead first round too 😂
I really enjoyed the analytics this is really an academy this is what I enjoy most from my favorite among Us players
Thank you. It takes HOURS (even days) to compile the stats etc, means a lot when people validate the hard work put into them.
@@AmongUsAcademy Im glad you all keep it up🤙the new map is beautiful and you all seem fresh I can't wait to see more.
They tunnel on courtilly because she's good so when a good kill or especially a guess happens they jump on her. Same if coms is called and koji is alive they automatically think it's him even if he hasn't called coms in weeks
I love most of the most morning lobby, and i am a very local hater of hafu but this isnt entirely on her. Idk the lobby has as awhole been harsh on court amd ive been noticing that for a long time.
Court has the same problem Wolfabel had. They have trigger fingers. Court can connect the dots so fast on who has what roles or at least make very good educated guesses that once she thinks thats what their role is she shoots. She doesnt really wait or hold that info for later. Also since everyone knows how smart she is crew turns real fast on her cause mechanically she can win. They tunnel so quickly out of paranoia kinda how Toast used to get sussed so quickly or always had crew on his side most of the time cause they knew he was giga brained. Shes also more soft spoken or at least not as passionate as other members so its easy for her arguments to loose. Similar to how Koji get voted out so often cause of bad sus or his name just getting thrown in for no reason. They get biased so hard unintentionally.
I think that everything you said about Courtilly is true, but also somewhat applies to Kara, Junk, Aipha, and Huhbombuh, and to an extent Koji and Ellum too. I feel like the OGs (Hafu, 5up, DD, DK, etc) don't get voted out as quickly because they'd be the most vocal about it if it happened to them. But it seems like the newer regulars don't complain about it as much, maybe because they don't want any drama or they're afraid of not getting invited back? Idk. But it is a shame, because I especially love watching Courtilly and Kara, but they're just not alive as much.
On a side note, why might this be Court's last session as a regular???
EDIT: Didn't realize it was addressed in dead chat later in the video.
3:55 God's favourite gamer 😭😭😭😭
I don't like that "only Court would know to guess that" when it's literally a list of roles that you select from. ANY evil killer could guess that. And it's been on the list for a while in this lobby. Any of them that are capable of reading could have guessed it.
Court does suffer from being too good in some cases. This game is a good example of that. There are plays and guesses that not many people can or will make, and sometimes she can be too fast on the trigger in her guesses. Combine that with Junk always willing to sus and vote her at the drop of a hat and it can be rough. Lastly, and I've noticed this in the Chilled lobbies as well. Court just gets unfairly sussed out and voted. I don't know why, but it's sad to see.
😫 You covered the votes in the meeting Junk swapped
Ooops. There was one vote on Junk and One vote on DK before the swap
I feel there tends to be a bias no matter who it is vs Hafu
13:36 1000%! And everyone listens to Dumbdog as gospel! And he’s wrong more than not, like Junk isn’t bad as he claimed by seeing him for a second on cams!
Courtilly cant talk. She is just shy and doesnt want to lie or defend herself.
15:50 damn how did they not see DK if he killed janet here? glitched?
He was swooper, so he was invisible.
What is courtillys job?
I think you already have the answer ... Court is just too "good" 😌
She's known (!) to be super smart so people are easily convinced that she could have done a 5head play ... AND, she's too morally good. Instead of keeping the bait-vote thing to herself, she offered up the info. Too bad she won't be there much more cause I think she could have easily trumped Hafu with a healthy dose of deception ... Hafu, probably, has such a high win rate because she is competitive with a vicious edge 🤔
PS: Tbh, given the chance, I'd rather be friends with Court than Hafu ... but in a game of lying and deceit, Hafu excels.
I thought it was pretty obvious why Courtilly doesn't get many imposter wins, she always sounds absurdly sus. Her "it's not me" always sounds like it is her, ever when she's crew. It's no wonder they vote her out, she loses on the talking. She doesn't sound convincing, unlike Hafu or 5up who can talk themselves out of being voted out even when people are sure it's them.
I will miss Court!
why is courtilly not a regular anymore?
25:58 she answers why
i dont think guessing bait or lovers is fair
can you include everyones first impression of the map after dk buttons in the 1st game, Ik a lot of the girls said EWWW which i found funny
after this game, LGBT stands for "Last Game, Bad Time."
Morning lobby is harsh to court .
Its true..
what idle game is steve playing btw
Idle Slayer. If you want to be really cool, consider using his sponsor link.
what game is Steve playing? he plays the quirkiest games, i swear
Idle Slayer
#JusticeforCourtilly
people are too willing to vote on courtilly. if you don’t know if bait can be guessed, you just have to cycle twice to see that it can be. anyone can do that. so many people still try to guess plaguebarer when they’re facing pestilence that it doesn’t make sense to just tunnel on the smartest players. sure it worked this time but most of the time in that situation you’re just voting out courtilly out of habit
She's the smartest. By nature she's not a fighter PLUS they always vote her out because of meta reasons. It's unfortunate really. She needs a better lobby.
Guys what the hell is bait??
i thought this lobby doesn't like meta gaming/guessing 😂
No shade but you asked for an honest answer so I'm going to give it. Absolutely no way I feel sorry for Courtilly; she deserves to lose and all of her losses. She is a damn great player and BECAUSE of that she should be winning but she is her own downfall. She needs to switch up her gameplay (don't kill immediately in meetings, have better stories and alibis, etc) Disguised Toast said in an interview that he needed to constantly change his gameplay b/c other players were learning his tells. That's what a game like Among Us is all about; learning tells and finding the liar or being such a good liar they can't differentiate you from a crewmember.
About Hafu... well imo everyone kisses her ass and that's why she gets away with way more than she should. Using Disguised Toast again as a reference; in the same interview he said people were afraid to vote him out or kill him b/c he ran the lobby. So they catered to him to keep getting invited. This lobby started out as Hafu and DK right? Also this lobby is about winning so don't get upset when they don't pull punches to get the killer out (watch other lobbies if you just want fun where winning doesn't matter) Again imo Steve is bullied, DK is catered to, Junk gets teased mercilessly and the list is endless. Obviously they're friends but patterns do emerge after watching hours of their gameplay and interactions. I thoroughly enjoy this lobby and this channel but asking a question about mistreatment or at least unequal treatment of players..... far too much to actually discuss all the issues that are blatantly apparent.
11:30 man, not a fan of these meta-votes. like they already knew steve sheriffed so at least give courtilly a chance
I am neither a big fan of hafu nor Courtilly, but I can tell you I've seen so many Hafu vs Courtilly cases that I can even remember off the bat that time Courtilly was actually a good role and Hafu was bad in like last 3, yet Courtilly was voted off. For that specific one, I think Kara voted Courtilly who was investigator. Junk also doesn't like Courtilly I've realized that so if there's any accusation on Courtilly, he would definitely jump on the wagon. Dumbdog also metas against Courtilly as well as Hafu herself.
Also, I'm sorry but Hafu is just the leader of the lobby, and people are just afraid to meta suss her. DK has jokingly said "Oh she's not gonna invite you back if you vote her" and then laughs off, but in a way, people actually don't vote her unless they have a 1v1 hard accusation against her. If it's ANY META accusation against Hafu, I'm sorry but I can't think of even one at the top of my head. And even if they narrow down to Hafu and someone else rarely meta sussed, they prob won't vote her because of that reason and just skip for the "safe route."
Lmao as soon as you said 'Junk doesn't like Court' I knew everything you typed here is worthless. Junk is incredibly fond of Court, you're just too socially inept to pick up on the social cues involved.
Always found it interesting how being good and the host of the lobby gave Hafu “plot armour”, whereas with the Toast lobbies - it made him get voted out even more!
@@AmongUsAcademy Hafu's intelligence comes from her insecurities. So while she has smart arguments, her arguments come out with an undertone of victimhood. Other people feel the burden of proof. She herself also believes in effort, so people are more serious argument for or against her, again, less likely to just throw her out randomly. Court has a caring voice and often expresses herself in a way that looks like she doesn't mind what results she gets. Kara even shows her smarts and is even more assertive and in your face when she is confident, which could even put people off. I would say it causes some male players to throw her out a little more than randomly (not necessarily accusing anyone it this particular lobby)