Everything else seems like General maint issues. These are the best sleds on snow right now. Thanks again for the video nice to hear other guys talking about same sleds
Thank you very much for all of your great videos - I have shared them. Also, thank you for helping me move away from Polaris concerning a new purchase. Clearly Polaris does NOT properly quality assurance their product - Like the rest of the brands to some extent. Rush to market, let the clients do the QA and pay for it - stranded on the trails or out of pocket after warrantee.
Thanks for the comment. Yes it’s irritating to think we buy sleds then do the testing for them vía having break downs etc. We are finishing up another trip today will have an end of the year summary of things. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the comment and question. The answer is Amsoil Interceptor. They did look pretty ugly. I was trying to do a comparison between Amsoil and VES. In order to do this I requested Mike to clean his power valves so we can both start at 0 and run one sled with VES and the other with Amsoil. That test may still happen but instead we have accidentally created another test. I cleaned my valves at 1000 and 2500 miles and Mike never cleaned his (38xx miles now). We both needed to do the exhaust power valve calibration (both of us noticed an occasional hesitation at mid-high rpms that was cured by the calibration). Both sleds still running well and both have been Interceptor. I will see if I can convince him to do the VES challenge next. Thanks Mike!
Thanks for the video. Note: The electronic fuel gauges have never been reliable pidd gauge or 7s. Always know how many miles you have on your tank. Come on!
I have noticed all of these same problems I’ve had multiple of these sleds all same issues on the bogging problem when hitting gas mine does it hit or miss you said it’s the power valves could be but I just got the 650 and it also boggged down when you lift off gas at slow speeds then get back on the gas it’s like hitting a rev limiter and it only had two hundred miles on it so it can’t be dirty valves all the time
Thanks for the comment Brad. For us the trick was getting the dealer to do a recalibration of the power valves. It made a huge difference and erased our bogging issues. Also Polaris suffered for poor map issues for a few years finally this year sorted out a 2020 machine that I had in limp mode all last season. The new map immediately fixed it this year. Thanks for watching cheers
Thanks for info...have Polaris responded to any of these issues recently? Few like the gas and power throttle issues and bogey wheel...wow not good. Looking at snow checking a SWA 146 for 2022...will see.
Thanks for the comment Steve. The short answer is yes and the long answer is also yes. What I have found overall is that Polaris will respond quickly to its customers. At first I had to find a good dealer (this took me 2 tries). A good dealer will submit tickets under your name. Like any other dealer they will get in the parts and hand them over. For big issues the dealer has been known to reimburse "extra" costs associated with the breakdown like travel. Once the dealer gets to know you and you start having other tickets they push real hard on Polaris. They will say look at all the tickets this customer has had problems you better take care of them. Candidly I have had to purchase things on a trail from other dealers and my home dealership reimburses me. Specific to these machines the throttle issue has been solved, we have been reimbursed for the wheel, they are still looking into the fuel gauge issue (no resolution yet). That SWA for 2022 would be a great machine! Let's see what Polaris announces on March 1 in a few days. Again thanks for watching. I am never pleased when there are issues on these sleds and Polaris does react quickly.
@@pttsbrghsnwfckrs2304 thanks got the comprehensive reply. These things happen i guess, no shortage of recalls in the auto industry. Great that you have the dealer support. Can't wait until March 1st to see what is up for 2022.
We just learned to not trust it! We never found a reason why that at times it decides not to read or is slow to decrease thus predicting too much fuel until you don't have any!
I like your vids. Gotta ask. What do you do for a living? 2500 miles on brand new sleds? Are you married with kids? Lots of riding. How long do you keep your sled? Just asking.
Hi Ron thanks for the comment. We get plenty of weird looks at the bar to be certain. After I broke down (see 4000 mile video I just posted) it forced Mike into a near 400 mile day. While getting fuel he was saying to our other friend hey it looks pretty close to 400. Another guy at the pump assumed for the week but was perplexed to find out that was for a day. Generally speaking we do about 300 miles per day all things considered. On good days we do 350 miles but then there are days with setbacks (break downs, broken trails, half days, other issues) that keep us to 250-275 miles. We have families and jobs and can mostly get away only for 4-5 day long weekends. We drive 10.5 hours into the night then roll out the next morning. Over 4 days we rack up 1200 miles and usually get 1500 if we have the 5th day. Then we load them into the trailer and rush home for work. On the trail we ride 99 percent daylights but stay in the saddle most of the day only really stopping for fuel and a very small snack. It is not the normal riding experience for most people and that is OK. Everybody has a different experience that makes sledding fun. We are limited and 10.5 hours away so when we ride we ride. Back at the hotel each night we both end up with 2-3 hours of emails and phone calls. Most can be accomplished over a beer and dinner then we rinse and repeat. Doing it this way Mike and I usually exhaust about 8 days (the majority that we have) of vacation...and we end up using all the family collateral but we get it done. I always have 2-3 sleds running (this year was a Matryx, 2020 Indy 850, and 2019 Switchback 850). Generally putting on 5000 miles or more in a year where the new sled gets 3500 and one of the other sleds gets 1500. Normally we bring an extra friend so miles rack up on the other sleds as well. Most years I get a new sled each year and sell the oldest in the fleet. This year we may get a new Polaris or another contender (Skidoo, Cat, Yamaha) for a good comparison. Finally Mike and I both have kids, I am married (Mike is engaged) happily - we both have independent women that understand our need for this sport. Thanks for asking and it's a long response but sledding is one of our passions. If you are reading through this you are probably addicted as well! Thanks for watching!!
Thanks for chiming in! The dealer is scratching their heads on this and saying nobody else is having the problem yet the 2 sleds we have, 100% of those 2 are having a problem. We are finding that turning off the machine and turning it back on makes the level read 30% difference at time. The issue is sometimes we ride the 2.5 hours straight fuel stop to fuel stop without shutting off. There could be something to the turn off and back on. We will post more updates as we get them. We are about to edit and post our 4,000 mile review just got back from the trip but am stuck in work mode for a few days. I really appreciate the comment!
Thanks Nate! Oil is such an argumentative topic we are trying not to ruffle any feathers. We just did a quick oil usage video also. Appreciate you watching and the comments sir.
One thing we noticed that helped on the VR1 is after 1000 miles having the dealer do a power valve calibration (its an electronic cal). It made power and fuel economy a little better. The dealer can do it within about 10 minutes.
Take a look at your front shocks, your running with Zero preload set. Your outside the 10.75 factory spec. Shocks need measured with weight off of shocks.
Thanks Jim I noticed it as well and noted it in the first video it was strange to have 0 preload. I'll adjust and then add it to the 4000 mile video coming out this next week. I really appreciate the note sir.
My VR1 came with my front springs wound all the way out and blue anodized 2 piece lock rings, my buddies VR1 came with the front springs set in the middle and plastic grey one piece lock rings he sled was shipped without shocks, mine came with them on, I’m guessing had to switch suppliers due to Covid situation??
@@pttsbrghsnwfckrs2304 my ‘23 Voyageur 650 has a molded tab that protrudes into the gap where the pull cord handle goes. The recoil won’t pull the handle tight but if you push it just an 1/8th more it locks it in. No room to vibrate anymore.
Sounds like the quality control at Polaris is pretty poor. No way should you have these problems on a sled, especially at that price. BTW., just a video tip... way too much echo recording in your garage. Open one of your doors if you must record there, or leave the machines and record in the house.
Thanks for the feedback yes sir we were learning our way last year on recording will get better! We just did another 900 mikes without issues last week and next week we hope to do another 12-1500 miles. The snow is finally here!
For the MONEY Someone is putting down. There should be little to no issues for 10 000 miles. But alass... there snowmobiles and only last 4000 to 6000 miles and need a ton of parts! Almost as much as you'll spend on the machine. Slides worn out, Bearing in skid worn out, Chain case worn out, Exhaust gaskets worn out. Carbides worn out. Steering parts cooked! Limiter strap, Rod and bar cooked! Jack shaft bearings Cooked! Your Primaries are toast at 4000 to 5000 miles. Thats if the engine last. The electrical fuel gauge has always been an issue..use your trip meter.
Thanks for the comment. I agree and the frustration is real. We ended up posting a 4000 mile and then a 5000 mile update. All in all we went through one set of slides for the season and 3 sets of carbides. I went through all six of the boggie wheel bearings, front end is still OK on steering, Chain case is still together but the jack shaft bearing really was terrible. I do hope Polaris is paying attention. I appreciate you watching and the comment sir!
Thanks Alan! I am going to include your comments into a short video we just captured of oil economy and subsequently fuel economy. I appreciate your feedback for sure. On the one sled we ran out of gas at 114 miles the first time, and at 107 miles the 2 time. Both were less than 4 miles from the gas station in its final leg. On the 107 mile time I was thinking no problem I made it to 114 before completely running out prior. We had assumed from prior runs that we wouldn't have an issue after easily making 125 miles twice between stops. On this (these) day(s) we were on very fast trails and were at high speeds for a very long time (much of the trails with the throttle pinned to to bar for extended periods). I will try to get the video up in 2 days on oil and fuel consumption. Thanks for the feedback Alan and thanks for watching.
Not bad, a list of defects on a 15 k sled. Ill keep my cash and make bulletproof older sleds from here on out. Wait till the engine goes south and the stealership blames you for it.
@@pttsbrghsnwfckrs2304 Please correct me if im wrong, i saw photos under the hood on a matrix and it looks like the chaincase and bulk head are one. The chaincase looked cast into the bulk head.. Let me know thanks.
I hadn’t thought about this before so I just looked up a parts schematic. Clearly there is an outer cover but the inner portion looks to be a part of the side bulkhead. How about that! I think you are correct. Let me know if you need pictures once we get them back from the shop i can take them if it’s still unclear. Thanks again for the comment very interesting find - never considered it!
@@josephseitz5386 I saw that and i was concerned if at some point it loses fluid or a chain just breaks and takes out the chaincase. I just big$$$$$$$ then to fix.
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Everything else seems like General maint issues. These are the best sleds on snow right now. Thanks again for the video nice to hear other guys talking about same sleds
Thank you very much for all of your great videos - I have shared them. Also, thank you for helping me move away from Polaris concerning a new purchase. Clearly Polaris does NOT properly quality assurance their product - Like the rest of the brands to some extent. Rush to market, let the clients do the QA and pay for it - stranded on the trails or out of pocket after warrantee.
Thanks for the comment. Yes it’s irritating to think we buy sleds then do the testing for them vía having break downs etc. We are finishing up another trip today will have an end of the year summary of things. Thanks for watching!
Hope you get those little annoying issues figured out though polaris.
Thank you For watching we actually have a few more issues once we make it back from this trip it’s new video time we have i e that didn’t make it.
Wow those valves are pretty gummed up, what you guys using for oil?
Thanks for the comment and question. The answer is Amsoil Interceptor. They did look pretty ugly. I was trying to do a comparison between Amsoil and VES. In order to do this I requested Mike to clean his power valves so we can both start at 0 and run one sled with VES and the other with Amsoil. That test may still happen but instead we have accidentally created another test. I cleaned my valves at 1000 and 2500 miles and Mike never cleaned his (38xx miles now). We both needed to do the exhaust power valve calibration (both of us noticed an occasional hesitation at mid-high rpms that was cured by the calibration). Both sleds still running well and both have been Interceptor. I will see if I can convince him to do the VES challenge next. Thanks Mike!
I think some how too videos, maybe 2010 above best buy sled restoration. Track replacement track upgrades ski adjustments ets
Thanks for the video. Note: The electronic fuel gauges have never been reliable pidd gauge or 7s. Always know how many miles you have on your tank. Come on!
Thx for sharing. Keep it up !
Thank you for the comment and thanks for watching!! Cheers!
I have noticed all of these same problems I’ve had multiple of these sleds all same issues on the bogging problem when hitting gas mine does it hit or miss you said it’s the power valves could be but I just got the 650 and it also boggged down when you lift off gas at slow speeds then get back on the gas it’s like hitting a rev limiter and it only had two hundred miles on it so it can’t be dirty valves all the time
Thanks for the comment Brad. For us the trick was getting the dealer to do a recalibration of the power valves. It made a huge difference and erased our bogging issues. Also Polaris suffered for poor map issues for a few years finally this year sorted out a 2020 machine that I had in limp mode all last season. The new map immediately fixed it this year. Thanks for watching cheers
Thanks for info...have Polaris responded to any of these issues recently?
Few like the gas and power throttle issues and bogey wheel...wow not good.
Looking at snow checking a SWA 146 for 2022...will see.
Thanks for the comment Steve. The short answer is yes and the long answer is also yes. What I have found overall is that Polaris will respond quickly to its customers. At first I had to find a good dealer (this took me 2 tries). A good dealer will submit tickets under your name. Like any other dealer they will get in the parts and hand them over. For big issues the dealer has been known to reimburse "extra" costs associated with the breakdown like travel. Once the dealer gets to know you and you start having other tickets they push real hard on Polaris. They will say look at all the tickets this customer has had problems you better take care of them. Candidly I have had to purchase things on a trail from other dealers and my home dealership reimburses me. Specific to these machines the throttle issue has been solved, we have been reimbursed for the wheel, they are still looking into the fuel gauge issue (no resolution yet). That SWA for 2022 would be a great machine! Let's see what Polaris announces on March 1 in a few days. Again thanks for watching. I am never pleased when there are issues on these sleds and Polaris does react quickly.
@@pttsbrghsnwfckrs2304 thanks got the comprehensive reply. These things happen i guess, no shortage of recalls in the auto industry.
Great that you have the dealer support.
Can't wait until March 1st to see what is up for 2022.
I got the 23 indy adventure 650 137 with the 7s display
i had the same problem with my gas gauge last night
We just learned to not trust it! We never found a reason why that at times it decides not to read or is slow to decrease thus predicting too much fuel until you don't have any!
Great review
I like your vids. Gotta ask. What do you do for a living? 2500 miles on brand new sleds? Are you married with kids? Lots of riding. How long do you keep your sled? Just asking.
Hi Ron thanks for the comment. We get plenty of weird looks at the bar to be certain. After I broke down (see 4000 mile video I just posted) it forced Mike into a near 400 mile day. While getting fuel he was saying to our other friend hey it looks pretty close to 400. Another guy at the pump assumed for the week but was perplexed to find out that was for a day. Generally speaking we do about 300 miles per day all things considered. On good days we do 350 miles but then there are days with setbacks (break downs, broken trails, half days, other issues) that keep us to 250-275 miles. We have families and jobs and can mostly get away only for 4-5 day long weekends. We drive 10.5 hours into the night then roll out the next morning. Over 4 days we rack up 1200 miles and usually get 1500 if we have the 5th day. Then we load them into the trailer and rush home for work. On the trail we ride 99 percent daylights but stay in the saddle most of the day only really stopping for fuel and a very small snack. It is not the normal riding experience for most people and that is OK. Everybody has a different experience that makes sledding fun. We are limited and 10.5 hours away so when we ride we ride. Back at the hotel each night we both end up with 2-3 hours of emails and phone calls. Most can be accomplished over a beer and dinner then we rinse and repeat. Doing it this way Mike and I usually exhaust about 8 days (the majority that we have) of vacation...and we end up using all the family collateral but we get it done. I always have 2-3 sleds running (this year was a Matryx, 2020 Indy 850, and 2019 Switchback 850). Generally putting on 5000 miles or more in a year where the new sled gets 3500 and one of the other sleds gets 1500. Normally we bring an extra friend so miles rack up on the other sleds as well. Most years I get a new sled each year and sell the oldest in the fleet. This year we may get a new Polaris or another contender (Skidoo, Cat, Yamaha) for a good comparison. Finally Mike and I both have kids, I am married (Mike is engaged) happily - we both have independent women that understand our need for this sport. Thanks for asking and it's a long response but sledding is one of our passions. If you are reading through this you are probably addicted as well! Thanks for watching!!
Have the 2021 Switchback 146 same problem gas gauge reads full
Thanks for chiming in! The dealer is scratching their heads on this and saying nobody else is having the problem yet the 2 sleds we have, 100% of those 2 are having a problem. We are finding that turning off the machine and turning it back on makes the level read 30% difference at time. The issue is sometimes we ride the 2.5 hours straight fuel stop to fuel stop without shutting off. There could be something to the turn off and back on. We will post more updates as we get them. We are about to edit and post our 4,000 mile review just got back from the trip but am stuck in work mode for a few days. I really appreciate the comment!
great video cause the polaris oil is no good I use klotz in my polaris and I have no problems with the exhaust valves
Thanks Nate! Oil is such an argumentative topic we are trying not to ruffle any feathers. We just did a quick oil usage video also. Appreciate you watching and the comments sir.
Yeah I`m not getting the mpg I was getting on my 19. I`m around 10-12 on the VR1 where I was normally getting 15-17 on the XC 850
One thing we noticed that helped on the VR1 is after 1000 miles having the dealer do a power valve calibration (its an electronic cal). It made power and fuel economy a little better. The dealer can do it within about 10 minutes.
Extreme oil?
The oil is Amsoil Interceptor so far except the original tank.
Take a look at your front shocks, your running with Zero preload set. Your outside the 10.75 factory spec. Shocks need measured with weight off of shocks.
Thanks Jim I noticed it as well and noted it in the first video it was strange to have 0 preload. I'll adjust and then add it to the 4000 mile video coming out this next week. I really appreciate the note sir.
My VR1 came with my front springs wound all the way out and blue anodized 2 piece lock rings, my buddies VR1 came with the front springs set in the middle and plastic grey one piece lock rings he sled was shipped without shocks, mine came with them on, I’m guessing had to switch suppliers due to Covid situation??
Must be nice to have that kind of time to ride
Doesn’t happen this year. Only 3-4 trips so will be limited to 4-5000 miles
Tomorrow I'm going to pick up a used 21 assault 850. I shouldn't have watched this video lol
Good luck I think you will love the machine. Let the snow fly!
My pull cord does the same thing
That fix we did with the foam did the trick the rest of the season for sure!
@@pttsbrghsnwfckrs2304 my ‘23 Voyageur 650 has a molded tab that protrudes into the gap where the pull cord handle goes. The recoil won’t pull the handle tight but if you push it just an 1/8th more it locks it in. No room to vibrate anymore.
Sounds like the quality control at Polaris is pretty poor. No way should you have these problems on a sled, especially at that price.
BTW., just a video tip... way too much echo recording in your garage. Open one of your doors if you must record there, or leave the machines and record in the house.
Thanks for the feedback yes sir we were learning our way last year on recording will get better! We just did another 900 mikes without issues last week and next week we hope to do another 12-1500 miles. The snow is finally here!
For the MONEY Someone is putting down. There should be little to no issues for 10 000 miles. But alass... there snowmobiles and only last 4000 to 6000 miles and need a ton of parts! Almost as much as you'll spend on the machine. Slides worn out, Bearing in skid worn out, Chain case worn out, Exhaust gaskets worn out. Carbides worn out. Steering parts cooked! Limiter strap, Rod and bar cooked! Jack shaft bearings Cooked! Your Primaries are toast at 4000 to 5000 miles. Thats if the engine last.
The electrical fuel gauge has always been an issue..use your trip meter.
Thanks for the comment. I agree and the frustration is real. We ended up posting a 4000 mile and then a 5000 mile update. All in all we went through one set of slides for the season and 3 sets of carbides. I went through all six of the boggie wheel bearings, front end is still OK on steering, Chain case is still together but the jack shaft bearing really was terrible. I do hope Polaris is paying attention. I appreciate you watching and the comment sir!
You have about a hundred and forty mile range that's what we go by
Thanks Alan! I am going to include your comments into a short video we just captured of oil economy and subsequently fuel economy. I appreciate your feedback for sure. On the one sled we ran out of gas at 114 miles the first time, and at 107 miles the 2 time. Both were less than 4 miles from the gas station in its final leg. On the 107 mile time I was thinking no problem I made it to 114 before completely running out prior. We had assumed from prior runs that we wouldn't have an issue after easily making 125 miles twice between stops. On this (these) day(s) we were on very fast trails and were at high speeds for a very long time (much of the trails with the throttle pinned to to bar for extended periods). I will try to get the video up in 2 days on oil and fuel consumption. Thanks for the feedback Alan and thanks for watching.
Can't take the Echo
Not bad, a list of defects on a 15 k sled. Ill keep my cash and make bulletproof older sleds from here on out. Wait till the engine goes south and the stealership blames you for it.
Thanks for the comment. I am uploading our (almost) 4,000 mile review now and yes we ended up with a bigger problem. Thanks for watching more to come!
@@pttsbrghsnwfckrs2304 Please correct me if im wrong, i saw photos under the hood on a matrix and it looks like the chaincase and bulk head are one. The chaincase looked cast into the bulk head.. Let me know thanks.
I hadn’t thought about this before so I just looked up a parts schematic. Clearly there is an outer cover but the inner portion looks to be a part of the side bulkhead. How about that! I think you are correct. Let me know if you need pictures once we get them back from the shop i can take them if it’s still unclear. Thanks again for the comment very interesting find - never considered it!
@@josephseitz5386 I saw that and i was concerned if at some point it loses fluid or a chain just breaks and takes out the chaincase. I just big$$$$$$$ then to fix.
Talk about nit picking .... gas spots on seats ...you guys must be running on roads a lot ...3 sets of carbides in a season ....😳