Digging into Indus Valley Civilisation with Dr. Ruchika Sharma of
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I think SJ sir is very clear about Sanskrit and Pali. All should listen once.
No not at all ,dude fails to give proper proof ,in some videos speaks correct ngl,but rest is. nonsense .Always brings idiots on debate
@@telanovela-qd9uw have you ever gone to debate?
@@aseemsharanAbe wo khud Kai baar expose hota hai debate Mai 😂😂😂😂😂
@@prasantapandaprasanta8824 ja ke kar lo ne debate..waha toh jubaan band ho jaati hai
@@telanovela-qd9uw kis cheez ka proof nahi de raha...ki hanuman suraj kha geuya
She said Sanskrit is older than pali because she can't just say pali is older...its not easy for brahmin historians to say that even if they want to....its like dropping a nuclear bomb....so chill guys....she can't just tell 100% truth....upper caste historians have limits...you can call it propaganda/societal pressure...and why the heck you guys need a certificate from an upper caste historian about your own history.
Yeah, lets be happy that at least she said Aryan Migration is the TRUTH and she is one of few who can say that.
Sach ko halaq se nikalne me time lagta hai. Next wali ulti me shayad nikal jaye.😅
Once a bhimtaa always a bhimtaa
@@yuyutsuraoBhai wo Romila Thapar ki student h tum toh left walo k saath kaise ho gaye?
@@user-cm1lb5to8p mai left walo ki side nhi hu
@@yuyutsuraoonce a lingta always a African lingta
So Indians were writing in Pali and Brahmi yet she thinks Sanskrit is older than Brahmi ? And why is she basing Vedas as historical facts when she couldn’t even explain Vedic period ? Plus Vedas are all in Devnagri script. Her historical knowledge is very linear.
Pali and Sanskrit are languages. Brahmi and Devanagari are scripts. Scripts can be used to write any language whose sounds they can represent. Similarly, languages can exist without being written down. Spoken language is older than scripts. Let us not mix the two up.
@@EagleOverTheSeathere is no evidence sanskrit is old Pali prakrit has oldest inscriptions and some alphabet from Sanskrit cannot even be written in Paliprakrit
@@alphaff9939 bhai tu historian hai kya?
@@alphaff9939
Sanskrit is oral language. Why can't you understand difference about oral language and script....
@@shrin210 you will say oral and I will believe lol
good talk Vimoh and Dr. Ruchika !!! thanks for this stream .
"If it is proven that the people and events mentioned in the scriptures are imaginary, then also this fact will not harm Hindu religion. " -Swami Vivekananda
(Reminiscences Of Swami Vivekananda,Page No.112)
Yeah , sometimes I also think it's correct in some view as we humans don't distinct between reality and imagination, and if some imaginative story is able to impart good teachings then yeah overall it's good ,
as at the end we should see positive things
She is keeping Khajoor ka dabba by claiming that Vedas have historical evidence with it. Ask her about the details of the oldest manuscript of Vedas submitted to UNESCO by ASI and GOI. And what was the script of this manuscript 😂
@@aserilalit bhai ro padegi ye poochlia to ....
If Sanskrit language is old then why were the Brahmins here unable to read the Prakrit language written in Asokan Pillar? And why it was read for the first time with the help of a Sri Lankan Buddhist monk?
And the evolution of language has also happened. Isn't it true that first there was Prakrit language, then Pali language, then Buddhist hybrid Sanskrit and then Classical Sanskrit?
Because different script, it wasn't using the nagri script
@@meteor541 What you mean to say is that during the Asokan or rather Mauryan Empire, whose borders extended to Afghanistan and Iran, Brahmins did not exist at that time or they remained illiterate. Because even an ordinary logical person can tell that the one who considers himself the oldest definitely has knowledge of the language and culture of the newly arrived civilization.
tu pehle rona band kar bhimte😂
Science journey?
@@rekhakhanna5008 yes
Unesco found out that rigveda was written in 1400s A.D. then why she says that it's way older from 1500 BC?
I am also shocked, Vimoh is hosting this live stream...
Yes bro
Chill people chill. Vimoh is not historian, don't blame him. As long as these types of conversation happen online, there will always be an opportunity for criticism. History written behind the closed doors is always bad for any land. So take it in that sense. His intentions are good.
@@warrior_of_liberation why he didn’t ask for evidence
@@warrior_of_liberation you can’t just say Vedic period is there there is no evidence about that
I really appreciate your work vimoh..keep doing good work...love u..
Missed the live stream. Just finished watching it. Great episode ❤ Thank you 🙏
Good talk, good hosting by Vimoh 👍
Thank you so much, I've been enjoying your content for a while and really appreciate it.
Love you
Really loved the live, very informative also we will need more mods or mods being more strict as chat was crazy. And about members only chat i think u can make it members only when the chat goes crazy or a lot of trolls come, or else keep it for everyone just like Hasanabi does. Btw congrats for hitting 500 viewers🎉🎉.
I observed her engaging in a heated argument on Twitter with a well-known and intellectually adept ex-Muslim named Zafar, simply because he was presenting evidence debunking the story of Adam and Eve and promoting the scientific theory of evolution. She taunted him, questioning why he was criticizing his own religion for money and later she deleted her comments since Zafar reply him and highlight her comment..Regardless of her specific degree, it's evident that she is heavily biased and reacts poorly when Islam is critiqued using facts and logic.
@1:15:48 @1:16:15 संस्कृत भाषा पाली से पहले थी
संस्कृत पाली से पुरानी है।
No my dear, logically पाली ही पुरानी लगती हैं
लेखन कला, लिखने कि कला कब प्रचलन में आई? सबसे पहले, लेखन कला के आविष्कार के समय शुरुआती दिनों में किस चीज़ पे लिखा जाने लगा, कागज पे कपड़े पे, धातु के sheet पे, मिट्टी कि स्लेट पे, या पत्थर पे?
अब जिस भी किसी चीज़ पे सबसे पहले लिखावट होने लगी थी, वो किस लिपि में हुई ये देखो, और आपको जवाब मिल जाएगा
जो भी पुराने शिलालेख मिले हैं, वे पाली पाकुत (प्राकृत नहीं पाकुत) मे मिले हैं, संस्कृत भाषा में एक भी शिलालेख नहीं मिला है।
संस्कृत देवनागरी लिपि में लिखी जाती हैं, और देवनागरी लिपि कब विकसित हुई, "ऋ" "कृ" ये letter कब लिखे जाने लगे? जिस समय "कृ" हि नहीं जा सकता उस समय "संस्कृत" अस्तित्व में कैसे हो सकती हैं ।
बाद में धुर्त लोगों ने, गपोडपंथी करने वालों ने ग्र्रथों मे झूठ लिख दिया के वे ग्रंथ 1500bce से प्रचलन में थे?
और रही बात बाकी के दूर प्रांतो में संस्कृत भाषा के पाए जाने कि तो हो सकता हैं कि संस्कृत बोलने वाले बाद में वहाँ गये हो
@1:16:32 क्यों कि वेदों में लिखा हैं इस लिए ये मान ले कि वे 1500 bc में प्रचलन में थे
ये मतलब ऐसा हुआ कि किसीने हड़प्पा सिव्हिलायझेशन का वर्णन इतिहास 1947 में अंग्रेजी में लिख दिया, और अब 2024 में उस अंग्रेजी इतिहास को पढकर के बोले कि हड़प्पा सिव्हिलाझेशन के समय अंग्रेज़ी प्रचलन में थी।
संस्कृत के प्रचलन में होने का Evidence क्या है?
अगर ये मान ले कि 1500bc से वे orally वेदों को यादकर जैसे का वैसा ढो के लाए तो इस दांवे को cross examine करने के लिए हमें पहले शक़्स से वेद सुनने पडेंगे और फिर आखिरी शक़्स से वेद सुनने पडेंगे, और फिर उन दोनो version को compare कर के हमें पता चलेगा के वे लोग वेदों को जैसे का वैसे ढो के लाए हैं, लेकिन अगर किसी क्लास में पहले बच्चे को एक कहानी दुसरे बच्चे के कान में बताने कहो, तो पता चलेगा कि पचासवे बच्चे तक जाते जाते कहानी में बहुत कुछ बदल जाता हैं ।
Right! Jaise Rig Ved itna pakka proof ho gaya ki uski wajeh se 1000 - 1500 saalo ki koi evidence ki zarurat nai. Jab Indus valley Mei likha jara h toh sanskrit kaise nai likhi jari. Ye toh aise hua ki aaj social media/email k jamane Mei koi bole Mei toh bas kabootar se msg bhijwayunga. Technology reverse kaise hogi
This was awesome!
I completed my high school in India and the last 8 years have been...interesting...
So it is really nice to hear what actual historians have said on these topics.
Actual historian kuch nhi hota yaa toh right wing historian hota hai yaa left wing samjhaa ch---tiyee
@@yuyutsuraokuch sense hai is baat me 😂 u cannot change history. History is history no left or no right can change it. Samjhe ch----a
Good stuff.
Many people seem to disagree on this one.
In fact, people of different ideologies as well.
Seems good, if everyone is challenged. Would encourage introspection.
One major issue with Ruchika Mam assertion - The Tamil literature is older than Sanskrit and is an extremely refined and polished language with an extensive literature. The Tamil presence in South India has an archeological history of thousands of years. There is not a single reference in any of the Tamil literature to an original homeland outside of South India or of wars with “aryan” invaders/migrants
None of the Sanskrit literature going back over 5000 years mentions a homeland in the arctic circle or in central asia
“Aryan” is not a racial epithet, it means “noble” and refers to one’s cultural qualifications as being high-minded. The wars mentioned in the Vedas between the Aryans and the Dasyus according to all the native commentators refers not to racial battles but to the eternal cosmic struggle between the powers of chaos represented by the Dasyus and the forces of order represented by Indra and the Aryans.
The ancient archeological sites of Mohenjo Daro and Harrapa in what is now Pakistan were abandoned cities of very high sophistication. None of them show any signs of having been destroyed or conquered by war with invading/migrating tribes.
The Vedas for over 5000 years were transmitted orally in complicated mathematical combinations which required many hours of daily study by students subjected to rigorous rules and discipline. The idea that such tuition and transmission could take place on horse-back or in tents of wandering nomads is simply incredible!
Bhai tum logo Aryan migration ke fact ko falsify karke haasil kya karna chahte ho? Batana jara.
@@Graviton-cc9bn aryan
invasion/ migration theory already debunk ho chuki hai bhai konsi duniya me hai tu???
@@AniketSingh-cu4nlAbe dekh achhe se usne migration likha hai invasion nehi. WhatsApp university se padhega to yehi hoga.
The Aryans stayed to the North for centuries, so AIT did not impact the Dravidians. Aryavarth (later Bharat) was North India, and people who left Aryavarth for Mleccha-desh had to purify themselves on return.
@@alani3992 bro many prominent historians disapprove the aryan invasion/migration theory
Thanks for bringing Dr Ruchika.. This junction of time complels us to Dig everything down. Ruchika is doing so in popular way. More power to you both. This is the fruit if you hv institutions like JNU. It can enlighten a generation. Keep up d good work and keep debunking the myths...❤
I observed her engaging in a heated argument on Twitter with a well-known and intellectually adept ex-Muslim named Zafar, simply because he was presenting evidence debunking the story of Adam and Eve and promoting the scientific theory of evolution. She taunted him, questioning why he was criticizing his own religion for money and later she deleted her comments since Zafar reply him and highlight her comment..Regardless of her specific degree, it's evident that she is heavily biased and reacts poorly when Islam is critiqued using facts and logic.
Ppl using castee name besides giving lectures about society call themself atheist 1st remove castee names
The intellectual prowess of the Indus Valley Civilization 2600 bc to 1900 bc can only be admired. It must to have continued in the succeeding population.
Truly now,1 of my favourite persons on Twitter,Dr Ruchika Sharma..clarity is what get when I hear her, alongwith non judgemental processing.💐💐
I observed her engaging in a heated argument on Twitter with a well-known and intellectually adept ex-Muslim named Zafar, simply because he was presenting evidence debunking the story of Adam and Eve and promoting the scientific theory of evolution. She taunted him, questioning why he was criticizing his own religion for money and later she deleted her comments since Zafar reply him and highlight her comment..Regardless of her specific degree, it's evident that she is heavily biased and reacts poorly when Islam is critiqued using facts and logic.
Are you a brahman?
I don't know anyone alive who is 😁
This was perfect. Two of my favorites in one video! Excellent stuff.
Indus valley civilization never saw a horse
Thanks
The comment section is so dymanic. Its so refreshing to see viewers with good knowledge of the topic and debating with knowledge, as against some popular YT channels where only pro video comments are posted.
Good knowledge? The first comment literally saying that pali is older than sanskrit and it is the top comment tf and then accusing of her being brahmin supremacist, is this not castism?
@@ShivanshThakur-sh8ub according to their logic, anti Brahmin≠casteist
Question about John Marshall @ 31.59 time stamp: From Wikipedia - "Marshall was at school at Dulwich College before King's College, Cambridge,[2] where in 1898 he won the Porson Prize.[3] He then trained in archaeology at Knossos under Sir Arthur Evans, who was rediscovering the Bronze Age Minoan civilization.[4]"
Well answered,
Wikipedia is a very low level of evidence. However "Dr Sharma" typically dismisses findings of colonial officers. Colonial officers cannot use an Indian name to identify the seal as Pashupati. He must have had a dumb but cunning Brahman behind that name. Dr Sharma is nothing but a Brahmanical historian (one who can't say the truth or be honest). She is just crap. 😏
So she's liar.
She is liar
But he was foreigner you Hindus don't belive in the foreigner So why belive in John Marshall on what basis
Thank you Vimoh. Thank you Ruchika. Consumed this live today. Lots of ideas on the table. The best I like is how Ruchika talked about leaving the questions open ended and accept many interpretation of it and later how you build on it regading fundamentalist thoughts. It makes sense as E H Carr also said that facts of history never come to us "pure", since they do not and cannot exist in a pure form: they are always refracted through the mind of the recorder. It follows that when we take up a work of history, our first concern should not be with the facts which it contains but with the historian who wrote it.
Most of the masses don't understand difference between script and language and end up creating a comment section a battle ground. And before targeting her, learn how history works. History is not for satisfying biases of any side.
Comments padh ke aisa lagg raha hai ki logo ko apne emotions aur ego se upar nahi uth rahe. Sanskrit is oldest. You have to look at the linguistic analysis. See the research papers on proto-indo-european language, see more about rigved, see more about Language as a whole. See, as per sinauli agriculture goes back approx 9000 years, so we are taking rigved because it really goes with the saraswati as a humongous river, its not possible unless that part of rigved was written when saraswati wasn't dry. And hence indus valley civilization is connected with rigved. Because harappan was there when saraswati was flowing. So, the ones writing why pali or brahmini isnt the oldest, boss go and look at the linguistics. If u believe this much in science, u will believe Linguistic analysis. Rigved has much more info about the star positions, astronomical observations so, we can back track them and then compare it with the real world data. So, research and analysis is not about ego and attitude. U go with the data, doesn't matter if u believe pali or brahmini to be the oldest language. No, sorry. Post-agriculture civilization wont have thousands of language. You create a language, it takes time, it was old english, USA english and UK english is very different, so is AUS english. Thats how language develops. It takes thousands of years for a language to evolve. And thousands more for it to get different versions. And remember, u cannot apply post-industrial thought process when thinking about History. Especially if its more than 1500-2000 years ago*
Thank you, Dr. Ruchika and Vimoh. This was so informative and interesting.
Hats off of right wing to ignore this much knowledge. How can they forget everything they studied in school and believe Tudanshu Srivedi(🤡).
Just four days ago, in haryana one adult girl was killed by her 17 yr old brother because she married a lower caste. I wish this trivedi, deepak all these rascal teach their gyan to these people
Beautiful discussion Vimoh.
Can you also have Buffalo intellectual on your show someday?
Try to respect your fellow Indians, as your self. All this modern knowledge is a gift of western people
@@victormunagapati4643what??
Ruchika mam thanks for that
Hi dear Vimoh I like your RUclips channel. One small correction Fossil also cannot be Carbon dated. Fossils are dated indirectly by Potassium argon rado dating of geological stratas above and below where Fossil is discovered.
We want a debate with vimoh science journey, sanatan samikhsa, hyperquest
Is ladki ko Science Journey Se Debate Karna chayye😁
aur science journey ka satya sanatan se debate karana chahiye,science journey bhag gaya tha
@@GyanTvAmit 😂 Jane de ro mat. new sanatani
@@GyanTvAmit konsa video hai bhai jaha sj harr gaya. Jara link dena to
Sharma naam dekhkar hi band baja dega . . . !!!
Bhai woh bhimta unpadh experienced historian ke samne chaddi geeli ho jaegi🤡
Excellent program
Ruchika ji you are contradicting ur own statements ur saying the statues/figurines found in IVC can not be identified if they are male or female.... and then u r saying that aryans would have taken the concept of goddess from IVC.... 🤔🤔🤔
Such beauty 😍😍. I can't comprehend the glamour of this person! Oh, also Dr. Ruchika Sharma looks good too
I can't stop laughing after reading this, N1
Can't agree with Ruchika madam.Sanskrit is a cultured language from Pali.Mitani inscription has no sanskrit anywhere but we can find prakrit in that treaty called bogazkoi.
I don't know abt language but indra, varun ... They were definitely mentioned there
Thought the Mitani were just Prakrit names/nouns, not the language itself, since they spoke another language family.
@aizen9057 Indra is written indara. Varuna like Varena.Nasatiana instead of Nastya.Akinas instead of Agni are the names of Vedic deities which are not Sanskrit but Prakrit.
@@aizen9057mitani has similar nouns like indragal but that doesn't make sanskrit old noun can be same at many locations like Egypt has ramses this doesn't mean ram existed
@@jaybharat1479true because this kri ri are not there in pakit
Very good discussion 👌 👏 👍
seriously i cant digest this oral tradition thing for that long period of time with wars happening around and these people left unharmed.
Vahi toh !!
Is saying "x saint told y saint blah blah" enough ??
Yrr koi archaeological evidence toh do apne claims ko base krne ka
If there was some battle of 10 kings or something it's bizzare that we didn't find any archaeological evidence for that
@@YuezhiTribe Bhai evidences sirf Archeological nahi hote...
Agar sirf Archeological evidences pr History samjhne jaay
To Gautam buddh bhi kalpanik ho jayenge
Bcoz no proof of Buddhism or Buddhism existed before Ashoka Inscriptions.😂😂😂
@@user3ck437GhQ piprawaha excavation padh
@@YuezhiTribepura excavation padha hai rti or asi ne Asoka se pehle buddhism or buddh evidence nhi de paya sry
Sanskrit is a spoken language without an original Script and appears on the Indian subcontinent in 100AD with the implementation of Endogamy introduced to prevent mixing with the extensively mixed local ANI population.
By the way the 'great Bath of Mohun ja dario is replicated in the rural temple ponds/tanks of tamil nadu, South India.
As per this video none of the theory seems relating to indus valley civilization.... historians only have few tit bits may be 5 percent of waht actually existed. Dr. Ruchika on most of the questions is remarking its questionable. I think no concrete theory and only hypothesis on Indus valley civilization makes it mysterious and thus interesting.
Excellent content ❤
Love the meltdown in comments 😂
kaleje ko thandak mil rhi hai pata nhi kyon
Bheemto ko rote dekh maza aata hai 😂
@@utkarshninawe97ye dono bheemta nahi upper cast hai suar
Gyaneshwar jodhpura civilization was in khetri , jhunjhunu, rajasthan ...how can it be in the south
All the guys questioning her knowledge, i salute you all.
She doesn't know a bit abt history
There's this guy name "hamara ateet" on RUclips has been talking history with archeology (actual color images and the written things that has been found "
Please do watch his vdo abt past 28 buddha and youll be amazed how much history that has been kept hidden from us
If Vedas were written in 1400 AD, then how do they mention about Saraswati river which dried up around 2000 BC? Sanskrit might have been written in a different lipi but how do we explain that people from 1400 ad knew about a river from before 2000 BC?
@@utkarshninawe97 and where is Saraswati river
@@aakashahire9607 *was
Historical Evidence of the Saraswati River
Geologists have found evidence of a large river system that flowed through northwestern India and Pakistan. This was during the Holocene epoch (the past 11,700 years). This river system is now known as the Ghaggar-Hakra River system
There is an app named Google on your phone. You can use it for more information.
@@aakashahire9607 I said that it had dried up. It flowed through Sindh and gujrat. After 2000 BC the river went extinct.
@@utkarshninawe97 kya use nadi ko abhi ghaggar-hakara nadi bolate hai kya?
@@aakashahire9607 Uss nadi ko nahi. Uske chhote avshesh hai unhe bola jata hai. Woh nadi sukh gayi ya fir course change kar ke vilupt ho gayi.
Vedic books jaise Tandya Brahamana aur jaiminiya brahmana me nadi ke sookhne ka varnan hai.
Zyadatar ved isi nadi ke kinare likhe gaye the.
Please call prof. Vilas Kharat to talk on this as counter to her theory.she is confusing everything. When agriculture stopped in India?Till date we are agrarian.
Archaeologists discovered burials in Sinauli, India, dating back to the late Harappan period (2000-1800 BCE). These burials contained copper's horse chariots. Additionally, the earliest paintings in Bhimbetka, depicting horses, date back approximately 10,000 years. I acknowledge India's history of migrations and Invasion but, how can she claim on that Hindus/vedic migrated into India and that is not indigenous religion or culture ? On stupid horse theory.
she said Atharvaveda contains mentions of farming, while earlier Vedas don't. She use this to argue that knowledge of agriculture developed later in the Vedic period... for her i advice to read this... Rigveda
Hymn to Kshetrapati (RV IV.57): This entire hymn is dedicated to Kshetrapati, the lord of the field. It includes prayers for fertile land, abundant harvests, and protection from pests.
Importance of Indra (RV X.101): Indra, the god of rain and thunder, is praised for bringing rains essential for cultivation.
Ploughing References (RV IV.57.6-8): These verses describe the process of ploughing, mentioning furrows, yoke, and oxen.
Samaveda
Hymns Related to Seasons: The Samaveda has verses related to the seasons (ritus) which would have been deeply linked to agricultural cycles.
Prayers for Rain: Many hymns invoke the gods for timely rainfall, important for a successful harvest.
Yajurveda
Vajapeya Sacrifice (YV, Ch.9 -18): This describes the Vajapeya ritual, performed for prosperity and bountiful crops. It contains detailed instructions on preparing the sacrificial ground, which has parallels to preparing a field for agriculture.
References to Grains: Words for different grains, like barley and rice, are present
Oh buttheads, she never said hinduism is not indigenous, obviously it is. She only said vedas and sanskrit is not indigenous.
Hinduism resulted from a mix of indigenous & Vedic culture:
"What most anthropologists are clear on is that the arrival of the male-dominated Aryan Vedics within the Indus Valley occurred when Tantra was already live and kicking, and marked the process of synthesis, whereby Tantra influenced those Vedas originating in India. The orthodox Vedics assimilated those practices that were conducive to their patriarchal traditions, and diluted, discarded, even oppressed more esoteric techniques including emphasis on the feminine."
@@Graviton-cc9bn dumb fck if vedas and sanskrit is not indigenous then entire ramayan and mahabharat will be proven wrong
U are wrong, bhimbetka paintings never mentioned abt horses, I have seen those paintings
Please see languages developed from easier to complex. How come Sanskrit speaking people suddenly started speaking pali pakkit then again remembered speaking Sanskrit which cannot be written without devnagri and devnagri is derived from Bhambhi script. You need to involve Buddhist evidence for the proper linkage of Harappan civilization.
Vahi na !
ऋग्वेद 1500 ईसा पूर्व में अस्तित्व में आया
और 600 ईसवी में लिखा गया
यह confusing है
किसी भी चीज को same to same 900 साल तक orally संक्षरित कर पाना क्या संभव है?
दूसरा संदेह इस बात पर था कि
क्या संस्कृत कभी भी आम बोलचाल की भाषा रही है?
संस्कृत को मैंने जितना समझा है वह लिखने के लिए ज्यादा उपयोग में लाई जाती रही है।
Is there proof that Sanskrit older than Pali ? Beacause oldet inscription we found in Pali language.Vedas have no inscription but in vedas we can find 1500 BC incident because of Zen Avstha.Vedas not wrote before 1000 years even Al-bruni mentioned it.
Very well explained ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
39:39 Q: is brahmi same as indus script? Ruchika: no itna bada gap h indus script and brahmi script k time mei kaise suddenly it can pop up or survive?
1:16:02 Q: how come sanskrit is older when its written after pali/prakrit in brahmi script? Rucika: because rig veda mei likha h, uss case mei it can survive 😂
Waah! Waah!
Bonus fact by her - mittani of vedic time was written in sanskrit or they know how to write, but somehow Aryan when came to indian sub continent didn't know how to write sanskrit.
I rest my case 😊
She dont know. Such an uneducated person with the educate mentality 😂
Rig Veda likhne ki chahat ❌
Epic of Gilgamesh likhne ki chahat ✅ 😂
It was great start and great information about Harappan Culture. But I was really disappointed by her vedas/vedic period commentary. Because this presupposition of Vedic period is utter nonsense as there are literally no evidences of any sort. Vedas or anything vedic start to show up in history around or after 10th century CE. So to presuppose it 2000 years before that is like presupposing Marvel comics in ancient Mesopotamia if they ever find Spiderman like figure in art/inscription.
And if anyone gonna say she has PhD...sure, but thats also argument from authority fallacy.
Nicely put
@@joshi168Thanks man. I am literally getting tired of this 'Oral History' nonsense also. I am pretty sure there will be some comments like that on this video.
@@warrior_of_liberation oral history is just nonsense to prove vedic culture as old. Nothing else
Even if it was oral, it was only the elite 1% that knew them.
Later they came up with stories like the Ramayan & Mahabharata so that common people could be immersed into those beliefs.
@@alani3992 how are u so sure?
Plz listen niraj rai on
beerbiceps about aryana and genetics
Niraj Rai is one of the world's foremost archaeogeneticists and molecular biologists. He is the group Head of the Ancient DNA Lab at Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeosciences,
Lucknow. Dr.
Whatever may be said, it is certainly interesting to know whether Pali or Sanskrit is older because the use of Pali language in written form is older whereas the use of Sanskrit language in written form is not older. Even the Vedas are written in Sanskrit.
We become emotional while we make decisions and try to prove vedic period is the oldest , the language of vedas is sanskrit but that is not 2000 yr old, We do not talk too much about Budha & Ashoka means we are not honest,
Very informative
Everything is open ended.None has claimed to be absolutely right. If u have something your own, you may present it, but u r trying to be the only scholar and you have nothing to clarify!
Is she 100% correct? There are other archeolohogists of rakhigari like disha ahluwalia and dr. Shinde which gave different answers.
No... She is not 100% correct. She is not even claiming to be. That is the beauty of academic discourse. There will be many theories, many interpretations. And after maybe hundreds of academic papers and discourse a common ground will be reached. All she told was what the common consensus of history is currently. With more research it will definitely change. The best part about that is that that history will not have been coloured in the biases of the current political climate.
Not a single historian is 100% correct.
संस्कृत का अर्थ संस्कारित होता है । पाली प्राकृत भाषा है । प्राकृत यानी प्राकृतिक । संस्कारित भाषा पुराणी नही हो सकती । संस्कृत भाषा पारसी भाषा भारतीय प्राकृत पाली भाषा को संस्कारित करके 7वी 8वी श शताब्दी के बाद बनाई गयी है। अवेस्ता कालीन पारसी भाषा और प्राचीन संस्कृत भाषा मे 80% समानता है । पारसी भाषा के 35 00 साल पुराणे सबुत सिरीया हराक मे मिले है । इसी आधार पर संस्कृत भाषा 3500 साल पुरानी मानी गयी है।
Thanks for the video and Vedas(knowledge)
So, Sanskrit was oral language and most important knowledge was in form of poem bcoz it would be easy to remember due to rhymes and transfer knowledge bcoz paper was limited resources.
Then there was Brahmi Script
After that Prakrit, Pali, Tamil like script came to be and those poems, hymns, verses written in these scripts.
Then Devnagri, Kannada, Bengali, etc many more scripts and dialects came to be and again those hymns, poems written in those scripts.
Bcoz Indian Priests (Brahmin) and Kings (Kshatriya) had interesting relation due to the influence of Vedas (Poems on Non violence). There was enough period of peace before Mughals and Britishers for every region's culture to grow even more diverse to be known as "Sone ki chidiya".
There were periods of peace, but social tension and injustice as well, during the later Vedic age
@@nananou1687Come on, man. Don't make unfounded claims.
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Compared to the feudal system of Europe, the slave system of Roman and Egypt civilization, the state dictatorship of China, the Mayan civilization of America. It is far less injustice in Indian subcontinent civilization. And there is not much cruelty, bloodshed in citizen like of slaves because of Kshatriya - Brahmin dynamics with Paganism culture.
@@shrin210oh plz. Stop lying.
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I'd live as a Shudra in a Brahminical society where Brahmin can't touch lower caste. 😂
Rather than whipped in a Master-Slave society.
Very well explained ❤❤❤
I don’t know her ideological background but Dr Sharma used this platform for pushing her flawed theories. She is overreaching with her conclusions. For example She started using the term “chess” to explain the possibility of the small so called shiv linga. Choice of words are very important when you are speaking about yet unknown. Dr Sharma inadvertently introduced a new conspiracy that IVC people played chess. She could have just said “A piece from possibly a (board) game”. Anything that implies inconclusiveness.
The initial presence of Vedic Aryan Culture is confirmed with the practise of Endogamy in 100AD introduced to prevent mixing with the extensively mixed ANI population.
Thanks
कैसा इतिहास - बोध है कि सिंधु घाटी की सभ्यता के बाद वैदिक युग आया? कहाँ सिंधु घाटी की सभ्यता का नगरीय जीवन और कहाँ वैदिक युग का ग्रामीण जीवन ! भला कोई सभ्यता नगरीय जीवन से ग्रामीण जीवन की ओर चलती है क्या ?
सिंधु घाटी के बड़े - बड़े नगरों के आलीशान भवनों की जगह कैसे पूरे उत्तरी भारत के वैदिक युग में अचानक नरकूलों की झोंपड़ी उग आईं? तुर्रा यह कि ये नरकूलों की झोंपड़ियाँ उसी पश्चिमोत्तर भारत में उगीं, जहाँ बड़े -बड़े सिंधु साम्राज्य के भवन थे। आपको ऐसा इतिहास - बोध उलटा नहीं लगता है?
आप पढ़ाते हैं कि सिंधु घाटी की सभ्यता में लेखन - कला विकसित थी और फिर उसके बाद की वैदिक संस्कृति में पढ़ाने लगते हैं कि वैदिक युग में लेखन - कला का विकास नहीं हुआ था। वैदिक युग में लोग मौखिक याद करते थे और लिखते नहीं थे। ऐसा भी होता है क्या ? पढ़ी - लिखी सभ्यता अचानक अनपढ़ हो जाती है क्या?
आप यह भी पढ़ाते हैं कि सिंधु घाटी की सभ्यता में मूर्ति - कला थी। फिर उसके बाद पढ़ाते हैं कि वैदिक युग में मूर्ति - कला नहीं थी। क्या यह सब उलटा नहीं है ?
भारत में स्तूप - स्थापत्य, लेखन - कला, मूर्ति - कला आदि का विकास निरंतर हुआ है। कोई गैप नहीं है। यदि इतिहास में ऐसा गैप आपको दिखाई पड़ रहा है तो वह वैदिक संस्कृति को भारतीय इतिहास में ऐडजस्ट करने के कारण दिखाई पड़ रहा है।
स्तूपों का इतिहास, लेखन -कला का इतिहास, मूर्ति-कला का इतिहास सभी कुछ सिंधु घाटी सभ्यता से निरंतर मौर्य काल और आगे तक जाता है। बशर्ते कि आप मान लीजिए कि सिंधु साम्राज्य से लेकर मौर्य साम्राज्य और आगे तक टूटती - जुड़ती बौद्ध सभ्यता की कड़ियाँ थीं।
सिंधु घाटी सभ्यता की मुहर पर ध्यानमग्न कोई बुद्ध ही हैं, आप मूर्ति के नीचे दर्शक - मुद्रा में मौजूद दो हिरण को ध्यान से देखिए। दर्शक - मुद्रा में दो हिरण बौद्ध सभ्यता के प्रतीक हैं। आपका इतिहास तभी सीधा होगा, जब सिंधु घाटी की सभ्यता को बौद्ध सभ्यता मानिएगा। स्तूप, पीपल - पूजा, लिपि में धम्म चक्र आदि के अनेकों प्रमाण सिंधु घाटी सभ्यता में हैं। ~ डॉ राजेंद्र प्रसाद सिंह
People was drama like how warriors fought during or some kind of religion attached to it so that they say how peaceful our people.
Marx borrowed his philosophy from Hegel. But he said he put Hegel on his head.
Hegel believed that every time there are 2 opposing ideas and a new emerges from a fight between these 2.
Then the new ones have also 2 opposing ones.
In feudal times we had landlords and serfs.
In capitalism we have capitalists and working class.
Each of their interests are opposite.
Workers want more share of wealth. Capitalists try to reduce or co tain salaries and wages.
Just curious to know if Tamil predates Sanskrit. Anyone any idea?
Sankrit is not much older than 1500 years from now .. !!
Sunce jouney watcher...@@clashofclan6241
@@clashofclan6241You're wrong, Sanskrit has a recorded history of more than 3500 years ... The oldest Vedas manuscripts which were included in UNESCO heritage list dates back to 1800-1500BC.
@@swarupbanerjee147 lol .. whats app graduated scholar 😂😂😂 why dont you even go and even search in unesco the oldest written text of veda we have in our accounts …
@@swarupbanerjee147 the oldest veda text we have is of 1468 Ad commentsry done by sayana … unesco will provide the same information.. ..
1800 bc my foot🤣🤣
End of Indus Valley in 1700 BCE and start of Aryan agriculture in 1900 BCE is an overlap. Isn't it? Or was that a slip of tongue? (38 minutes onwards)
Or she meant, 1000-900 BCE
Dear Vimoh I don't think she got any better than just guessing and at times bluffing. She fails to speak of science in archaeological surveys. Civilization studies need a multi-pronged scientific approach. It is a blend of evidence including, not only linguistics studies, anthropology, symbols, beliefs, practices carried forward but many more.
As expected, she believes vedic culture is older than Buddha without much evidence or reference. She is trying to include Vedas in history when it has no iota of history in it. She, like other brahmanical historians probably thinks there was Vedic culture in India before Buddha.🤦🏾
She should have come with a presentation slides with pictures and references. Please get her again and challenge her or send her to discuss her findings in the "science journey" channel. It will be very nice to see them debate.
Brass (Pital) is made by humans, it was discovered in around 5000 BCE. So no brass idol can be Lakhs of years old.
how come a language is written first and spoken later... if Brahmi is written first... which language did is represent....
She is Atheist Brahman, and not Ex Brahman, her Brahman bias were allover the place
Love it..👏👏
@vimoh live please invite Rajendra Prasad Singh on this topic. Dr Sharma is full of guesswork for the things she doesn’t know especially on linguistics. Her DNA analysis is also flawed and based on one single point of one study. I am not saying she was completely wrong but the information is partial and she filled the time with guess work again. ANI and ASI are a cluster of genetic code that represent more admixture across multiple groups . All Indians are throughly mixed that everyone has a little bit of everything.
She is also wuoting Vedas as some kind of historical authority. That particular thought itself is problematic .
Listening to these fallacies was a cringe. This video was a difficult watch.
Genetic studies confirm the presence of the Indus population in South India particularly Tamil nadu. They moved east and south in 1900bc to avoid invasion by the warring andronovo culture active at the time.
It appears that the Indus valley inhabitants were evacuated in 1900bc. Possibly to wisely avoid an invasion by. the warring Andrnovo/ Sintashta/Steppe cultures. were active at the time . Following evacuation they migrated east and South finally settled and mixed with local hunter gatherers making up whole of population as the ASI
Meanwhile the Indus Valley lay abandoned till migrating pastoralist from Europe and Central Asia settled the valley bringing new language religion and Vedic culture.ine male biased group proceeded to the indo gangetic plain and mixed with with the natives forming the ANI.
Rigved has many Goddess. They are not relevant anymore but so are most of the Gods of Rigved.
Pashupati wasn't found there.
I want a whole playlist of such streams with Ruchika Sharma!
blunt truth is, school time me inke chochle khatam nahi ho rahe the, excuses were history boring hai, neend aati hai, sir/maam acha nahi padhate history (this is 100% true btw) aur aab ye myths n politically influence hoke gyan dete school me history nahi padhai, correct history nahi padhai.
Regveda was written in AD 1500
Fir tum log kyu bolte ho ki ham pe 3000 saal se brahmano ne atyachar kiya 😂 agar pehle Buddhism tha to kya woh itna weak tha ki sab hindu majority ban Gaye 😂
Nhi pehle hi likha gaya tha
@@utkarshninawe97unka alag Nasha hai
@@50centgamer65 Deavanagari Script only developed in AD1200
@@jeevesmerari dev nagari olny developed matlab ? Talagunda piller inscription mutthi marne ke liye hai kya?
Madam, Harappan phases time period aapne galat bat di. Around 51:36 mark🤦♂️
The Indus Valley Civilization is often separated into three phases: the Early Harappan Phase from 3300 to 2600 BCE, the Mature Harappan Phase from 2600 to 1900 BCE, and the Late Harappan Phase from 1900 to 1300 BCE.
Tamil Brahmi found at Keeladi btw dates to around 800 BCE, the gap is closing. There are some common symbols and cognates between IVS and Brahmi.
The biggest inscription is not 17 symbols long but 34 symbols long. Clearly you know nothing about the Indus Script. I will not blame you.
Exactly
🤣 noble prize lene to tayar reh. Tujhe sab pata hai. Jo doctorate degree holder hai usko unaffiliated Banda Gyan de Raha hai.
Ye gyan whats app se hai
@@alphaff9939 to disprove kar dijiye
@@manojoy6913 internet bolke ek cheez hota hai,ja khud fact-check karle,kisi bhi ek side ka mat sun
Ganeshwar jodhpura culture found in Rajasthan near jhunjhunu sikar
43:50 tell us what were you gonna gaess. I was so eager to hear, guess kar sakte hain since the possibility of us knowing it is quite low, just an imaginative exercise. fun conversation
Apart from Indus other civilizations were comparatively much junior and in the primary stages
According to her Yoga and Tantra were present in IVC.
Sir, after Keeladi Excavations the historians and Archeologists came to know that Keeladi and Indus civilisation has many similarities. And the language in Indus is may Dravidian. Because in Balochistan still some small community is speaking Brahui language which belongs to the Dravidian family. Not sure its AIT or AMT but definitely Indus people move towards South.
Sanksrit was Buddhist monks language they created it as Buddhist Hybird Sanksrit. How can she said that .that sanksrit is older than pali lol😂
This bhimte are not rational, they have made their on history by father SJ.
So you think All the archeolist, historian around the world, UNESCO, world heritage site, ASI, Department of Archeology of Nepal, European are just mad....? and you guys has confirmed whatever you heard from SC. Journey with Extraordinary claim with insufficient evidence. Are you really rational or bullshit.
"until the lions have their own historians the history of hunt will always glorify the hunter”- Chinua achebe .
Brahmano se history likhwaoge to wo apne hisab se hi khud ko glorify wali history likhega. . Sanskrit ka evidence lakar dedeona bhai before prakrit . . . !!! HIndu Atheist 🤣🤣
@@brocklesnar2922archeology evidence to sanskrit is old really? 😂
Brahmi got 3 BCE evidence
@@GamerOne_mehow sanskrit is old ? Oldest inscription of india are in pali prakrit
Excellent
Making chat only for member. 🤔
Where the free speech go? Can't take critisism? Wanna make own Echo chamber 🔥🔥
जिनको बुलाया गया वह तो बौद्धवाद की समर्थक हैं स्वयं🙄
कोई भीमवादी ज्ञान न दें अब ,हमने केवल तथ्य बताया है कि वे ऐसी हैं तो क्या क्या बोल सकती हैं।
@@-__________abhinavtariyal_5999Presupposition of anything Vedic is already wrong. There is no shred of Vedas till 8-10th century CE i.e. 2000 before their actual presence is visible in History....is A-historical behaviour by a historian.
Its like saying Marvel Comics existed in ancient Mesopotamia if they ever find Spiderman like figure in their art/inscription.
If this is what comments are going to end up to be, it's prudent to make it members only.
@@-__________abhinavtariyal_5999Buddhism ka supporter hona galat he kya?
@@nananou1687 नहीं
पर तब जो कहते हैं कि बामणों(मैं ब्राह्मण नहीं कहता)ने हम पर अत्याचार किया भारत के मूलनिवासी बौद्ध थे।
अब यह बताएं जब सबका मूल अफ़्रिका को मानते हैं तो मूलनिवासी हुए कैसे।
यह स्वयं को तार्किक बताते हैं कोई बोलदे बुद्ध हाथी से कैसे पैदा हुए तो मौन रहते हैं।
यह जो हैं इतिहासकार इन्होंने लगभग ऐसे ही चलदृश्य बनाए हैं अपने चैनल में
मैं मानता हूँ बामणों ने सति प्रथा जातिवाद किया । यह तो आज का आर्य समाज भी कहता है
और गायत्री परिवार की एक पुस्तक में भी लिखा है कि रावण ने वेद अर्थ अनर्थ किए थे जिसका उद्धरण महाभारत से दिया।
Agriculture started in Northwest India around 7000 BCE, in Birhanna and Mehrgarh.
These people may have spoken Proto-Sanskrit, called 'Proto-Indo-European' by you.
Is it not possible that some Proto-Sanskrit speakers from Northwest India had migrated out to Central Asia and Steppe and the Yamnaya may have picked up Proto-Sanskrit from them and spread it to Europe and Central Asia.
The urban Bronze Age civilization on the River Saraswathi started around 3300 BCE.
Is it not possible that these people migrated to Central Asia and Steppe and
spread the knowledge of Copper, Tin and Bronze manufacture.
All the languages in Northwest India today belong to the Sanskrit language family.
Is there ANY evidence of any OTHER language being spoken in this area, EVER?
Horses were domesticated in Central Asia around 3500 BCE.
Is it not possible that these horses came to Northwest India soon after 3500 BCE,
rather than around 1500 BCE by so-called 'AryaNs',
Why would it take 2000 years to cover a distance of about 4000 kms?
Initially very few Horses may have come to India and they did not survive and
could not be bred in India, so only the leaders / Kshatriyas used them and
thus glorified them in the Rig Veda, but no skeletons have been found.
So I am proposing that
- Proto-Sanskrit migrated to Central Asia and Steppe around 4000 BCE,
soon after it developed in Northwest India.
- Central Asian Horses came to India around 3500 BCE,
soon after they were domesticated in Central Asia.
संस्कृत काे प्रारम्भिक रुप प्राकृत ने हाे । देवनागरी लिपी काे विकास भएसँगै वेद लेखिएका हुन्। त्यसअघि श्रुतिमा थियाे वेद । यसरी बुझे हुन्छ ।
Instead of just talking, please share the relevant source or images . Thoda mehnat Kar lo Bhai
She is dwelling more on the probabilities ~ interpreting as per her fascinations ~ Even the presenter & the EXPERT are unclear themselves about the Real facts ~ The presentation is at the best is, their private views , discussed on public platform ~
The views are supported by genetic studies as well as archaeological evidence. Seems like you have a hard time studying. I wonder if it has anything to do with your ideological position.
डाक्टर रुचिका शर्मा पटियाला पंजाब की रहने वाली है पटियाला से कुछ किलोमीटर दूर जिला फतेहगढ़ साहिब में जगह है उच्चा पिंड संघोल है जहां इस क्षेत्र का तीन हजार साल पुरानी सभ्यता का इतिहास साक्ष्य सहित मौजूद है पूछना चाहता हूं वहां लिखी भाषा कौन सी है।