The End Of The Mike Babcock Era | 32 Thoughts
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- The Mike Babcock era has come and gone in Columbus. Jeff and Elliotte discuss Babcock resigning and how we got to this point with the Blue Jackets. They also talk about the job ahead for Pascal Vincent, Connor Bedard putting on a show at rookie camp, and much more!
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01:00 - Babcock resigning
19:45 - The job ahead for Pascal Vincent
25:00 - Connor Bedard putting on a show at rookie camp
28:45 - What’s coming next in Ottawa for the Sens
33:00 - Jaromir Jagr’s career continuing
35:30 - The guys answer your questions from the Montana’s Thought Line 42:35 - Jeff and Elliotte sit down with Anders Lee and Seth Jarvis
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Era? More like the Babcock error.
Only reason management team is still intact is that ownership concluded that it would be too disruptive to the team right before camp. They better take a step this year or heads will roll.
I agree; from the top down. I can't believe the blame game going on; brass scurrying like rats on sinking ship trying to save themselves.
stand by there may be a hit piece come along against mgmt, but staggered a little so it isn't as obvious
Yeah, they let a triple- gold coach go ?
Let the media in their locker room.
The locker room they allowed pubescent boys to control?
Heads better roll.
Or shut down that franchise.
I met a young Husky's player this past summer. He said Babcock was everything Mike Commodore said he was.
Human Resources is an arm for the company to protect itself. It is not a place to take complaints against management..... they will get rid of all parties to sweep anything under the rug.
HR is there to protect the company/organization, not the workers/players.
Kekalainen would be gone if Columbus could handle the financial burden of hiring a whole new front office. The minute the dollars make sense they will be shopping for a new gm
I used to highly revere Mike Babcock when he was in Detroit. When he came to Toronto, the truth about him started to reveal his true self. The Marner situation, the Spezza situation when he sat him and all of his family came to watch him play in a game that Babcock sat him for. One does not ask another to see their photos on their phone. It does not matter if you are the Coach. This is not done. If you want to get to know someone, it is about spending TIME with someone to get to know them. Asking for a young player’s phone to view their photos is just a mental mind f*#%. EVERYONE knows this. Mike Babcock is a bully. I am glad that player’s have spoken up. Buh-bye Mike Babcock. 👋🏻
Same here. I used to love the way he spoke, the way he carried himself, and his intensity and thirst for winning. Then, I bought his book “Leave No Doubt” after he won the Olympic gold medal in 2010 and I expected to be inspired once I started reading it. In actual truth, I read it in full and was fully disappointed. Couldn’t believe it. It was so cliche in my view, full of his run of the mill statements and just a shallow read on the whole. I didn’t get anything that I felt was genuine. That is when I started viewing him in a different light, that this guy was more about appearances and less about actual substance. That was over ten years ago. Look at where things have gone since then. What a fall from grace.
You actually believe the garbage in the for-profit, I wannabe a jock, there's no hockey going on and I still have to buy my Hot pockets, media?
You're going to believe that crap?
That's he-said/she-said...
Also known as Gossip.
And that's COACH Babcock to you, to any player or fan, out of respect.
He didn't retire because he did anything "wrong."
He already lost the locker room. Smart coach.
Here's some statistics that I'll put up next to your gossip any day, 🐔
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He's a triple-gold coach
🏆 🏅 🪙
And if you don't know what that means?
then you're just part of a henhouse.
If you've ever laced-up skates? Shame on you. What goes on in a locker room, stays and gets resolved in the locker room.
And it could have the same outcome, that's fine
-but it's none of our darned business!
Like the Bruins. That was only a "shocking clickbait surprise!" 😮 to fair weather fans & anyone outside the locker room.
But that got people to click. Cuz some people don't know what they're looking at. They just went along with the clickbait media. Gentleman Patrice Bergeron is too polite to speak outside of the locker room.
Just because we don't understand COACH Babcock's vision, don't look to pubescent boys for truth. They are subordinates, they don't have big picture. They have to be taught how to play other positions
especially hockey players for God's sake 🙄
paid for their pubescent immature energy.
Mike Babcock is from Canada. When you cross into the Canadian border, it's not uncommon for border patrol to take all your devices and go through them.
Ya whine about it? you're not playing hockey in Canada!
So anything you can't show your mom, make sure you get off your phone before you go to Canada...
What do you think they are hiding on their phones? Again-these are hockey players for God's sake. Not even Bobby Orr will talk about his younger days.
You might notice when they get to the AHL, they don't let them loose in the media. For good reason
Coach Mike wasn't Canadian border patrol
He's a coach.
Best wishes to
Hall of Fame Coach Mike Babcock
How many triple- gold coaches do you think there are?
two things can be true: he's a great coach and he's a terrible person. this is why people should NOT "idolize" people they do not know. you can "admire" their talent, but you do not know them in real life, so don't assume they are good/great people... they might simply be really good at their job, and that's it!
@@drewjoaquin4761 if he were such an awful person he wouldn't be the only triple gold coach.
You can't be effective as a coach without building trust & team loyalty between players and coaches.
All these fans "know" all about Mike babcock, exactly what happened based on gossiping wannabe jocks 🙄
What I haven't heard out of these American wannabes is the fact that
English is not Babcock's first language.
The USA is not his first culture.
Yes it makes a big difference. There are no privacy rights in canada. You turn over your devices at the border and they can go through anything they want. Canadian media and the internet are controlled.
The locker room and team culture was violated by someone else on the team. Opening their pie-hole in the for-profit media.
Going BEHIND someone's back to bytch in the for-profit media, during off-season when they got nothing to pay rent living in their mama's basements.
"Reveal his true self"
None of this testimony would hold up in a court of law
This is the media for God's sake, they will rearrange your reputation based on their profit margins.
Everybody "knows" all about Mike babcock..... Then what's a triple gold coach?
And how many exist?
You don't get those results by being a jerk.
Columbus just made the biggest mistake in their franchise history. They had a golden opportunity of a lifetime. They blew it.
And that's why they're going to continue to demonize Babcock. Until the rest of them are fired, driving Zamboni machines to pay their rent.
Cuz they're idiots.
I'm betting the Red wings would love to have him back.. but as long as they keep bashing Babcock, allow this reputation to stand? nobody will hire him.
It's called "gaslighting."
And if this weren't hockey, I would cheer him on suing the crap out of all these big mouths.
All these people will become Zamboni drivers if they're lucky, while Mike Babcock will remain a triple gold coach.
@@TheFoolintherainn " the fact that
English is not Babcock's first language"
What do you mean by this? He was born and raised in Canada. He's only lived in English speaking countries, Canada, U.K. and U.S.
How is English not his first language?
Or did something go over my head here? In that case I apologize.
How about some consequences for those who let this happen AGAIN?
That was my first thought as well. What idiocy to have hired him
Good lord, Leafs fans must have some serious PTSD regarding Babcock (not making light of PTSD, but seriously, there's some trauma there).
I hear more 'JARMO MUST GO!' shouts from Toronto than Columbus...
Jarmo deserves to lose his job over this.
There's a reason (many actually) that players went to Biz and Ryan instead of "legacy media".
The fact that people didnt immediately think there was something wrong with Babcock having another players phone and they had to dig more before being alarmed saids everything. That means the culture in hockey has accepted abuse as part of the game.
You dont actually believe this do you? He didnt have someone’s phone. This whole thing is extremely exaggerated.
It makes no sense whatsoever. When it makes no sense like what “people” are saying he did. Its more than likely to be false.
Lmaoooo. It’s amazing how many ppl are buying this. Spitting chicklets should be absolutely ashamed of themselves for running with this and downright sensationalizing and exaggerating what happened.
@@Nall412 According to past player reports Babcock sounds like a bullying narcissist. He sounds envious of his top players and treats them like dirt.
Babcock treats his stars very well. But he targets the younger players and the older players on their way out. He knows neither one of those groups has any power. Anyone who has played high level hockey knows this....the reason why he has survived is because the culture in hockey is the worst in any of the big 4 by a mile.
How bad is upper management that someone would talk to someone outside the organization to get something done?
What did Babcock do? At 2:50 Friedman says, There was one player (not necessarily from Columbus) that came out after Tuesday night and said "there's something that you have to look at and it effects younger players."
Then at 5:10.. There was one particular meeting (not in Columbus) whereby Babcock had a young players phone for several minutes... What does that mean? What did the player say? What actually happened?
I’m wondering too
One thing: asking for phone is clear no-no from any kind of boss; young player trys to make team and please boss (coach in this case) at same time, so it could be easy to manipulate him, the player. Sandwiched between rock and hard place kind of stuff. I also ask in the extreme: was Coach trying to create mini-scandal to get out of there quick and easy? We don't know answer to this literally million dollar question ..
@@joeygrossbeak4092 Agreed, but i think there's more to this story than we currently know at this point in time.
From other reports it sounds like Babcock is a damaging narcissist who gets off on manipulating and playing mental games against his players. He messed with Chris Chelios and others while with Detroit. One player (Mike Modano) was not allowed to play when he was about to play his 1500th NHL game in his retirement year. Sounds like an envious power tripping megalomaniac. Good riddance.
listen to spittin chiclets they talked about it extensively in their latest ep
Isn’t it a shame that a coach with the greatest head of hair has no brain underneath it?
I told you so? who predicted this creepy phone thing? NOBODY. Babcock went above and beyond all expectations here.
Everyone in Detroit.
Elliot is jealous of Biz. Babcock is a creep. Bluejackets have explaining to do for hiring him in the first place.
Grand opening.
Grand closing.
Babcock did this to himself, this is not Biz’s fault!
It was a hatchet job. Water under the Bridge now. Nothing to see here , time to find another headliner.
Giving a phone to someone for more than a couple of minutes nowadays is like giving your wallet/purse, diary/journal, history of conversations, photo albums and more. I'd be anxious handing my phone to anyone more than a minute or two.
Mike Babcock got a second chance, didnt live up to the opportunity, and was held accountable. Its that simple, Elliotte.
Here’s the fundemental problem with Elliot’s journo style. “I heard that there was a player who came forward and I don’t think it was necessarily a player on the Bluejackets but I think it was somebody.. like one of the things that BIZ showed from his text messages is that I DONT THINK the complainants originated from Columbus. I THINK They were OTHER players who were friends, NEW PLAYERS ON THE BLUEJACKETS and they said hey this is something they want to address and identify here. “ E. Friedman.
Elliott NEW PLAYERS are Players. Say what YOU mean and mean what YOU say. Snaking material from BIZ and feeding it through The K. Hart Chequing to the Savings BS machine is not real or reliable reporting. I would believe and respect a profanity laced, authentic take by BIZ over this every time.
I hear what you're saying. Friedman is generally a good journalist and analyst, but not in this podcast. Frankly, he dropped the ball in the whole Babcock departure. IMO.
oh booohoooo man. Babs did not need this coaching job. He got m’s in the bank
How many commercials?!
What I don't get is why first of all Mike wanted to see the photos on players phones....and second if all why the players...any player agreed....and as a team...and union members....where the hell was their team REP....
Unions are legalized mafias out for themselves. There are consequences for not going along with what your told to do in the workplace.
I don't see how a young player could refuse and still hope to have a spot on the team.
@@brentm9848 exactly....that why you have a union rep....
@@brentm9848 that is the whole point - it is a way of intimidation . I have no doubt the way Gaudreau and Jenner viewed it is exactly how that went down with them . With other players could have been presented altogether differently. He always presents that in a real weird judgmental way -" I want to know what type of person you are - if you live the right way". There is something wrong with that guy . Especially if you see the reaction you get from a guy like Johan Franzen - the poor guy looked like he had escaped from a POW camp - he seemed to like to identify a weakness in a person and then exploit it
Jarmo Kekalinin(sorry for spelling) hasn't done much while there. Him and even Davidson should go.
The biggest thing for me was the people who thought he did nothing wrong. The had no problem with the breach of personal privacy as if the players don't have an rights..
crazy listening to today's chiclets episode and then listening to this swill. The equivocation about what Babcock did, the total unwillingness to talk about how nasty it was, and the fact that they don't have any of the same sources as Chiclets... Making it sound like it was "one guy, one time" when there's so much more to it, such a repeated pattern of mental abuse and domination, yet if you just listened to this it would sound like one whiny player made it happen. 32 thoughts really lost a lot of respect from me here, totally unwilling to say anything meaningful about this. big oof.
Apparently Canadian journalists aren't any better than American journalists. These guys didn't offer anything new and do you think either one of them actually has an NHL owner on speed dial? Doubt that Spittin' Chiclets will ever allow itself to be used by team management or the league at the expense of the players.
Lavoie has to be in Oilers starting lineup at start of season!!!
I think, I feel sports journalism .
He arrived in Detroit to a stacked team. Always thought it was strange the way he left the Wings. After listening to Spittin' Chiclets and then these two guys, it's refreshing to learn that Canadian journalists are as bad as American journalists. I find it hard to believe that either one of them has an NHL owner on speed dial.
Why is this program called "32 Thoughts?"
Because there's 32 teams.
Called 32 thoughts because asking Elliot to have 33 thoughts or more, is asking a bit too much. 🤣
should be guesses and suppositions
Biz, top d-bag in sports. Thanks pal
A co-worker of mine lost his second child last year and took 6 months off. Know what I didn't say? "Wish I got 6 months off" because it's an asanine point
Maybe Ottawa could trade some of their dead cap? Isn't Bobby Ryan and Colin White still on the books? Throw in a draft pick, and Joseph and sign Baily and Pinto.
I like your thinking! I know its the last year that Bobby gets about $1.8M from us. Cheers
Jagr is the all time European, and pretty close to alltime top NHL… from Finland (Should call Selänne or Kurri but nust admit that Jagr is the One)…
Will Buffalo sign Patrick Kane that's the question.
Babcock was at The University of Vermont in an advisory role in last year or so.. my college alma mater..at the time I wondered why he was there when he had a long NHL resume. Does now seem like at some point someone found him that position..as a stepping stone back to NHL..harmless hire yet given what’s happened..it’s all too bad. Wishing the best for CBJ going forward..
Ex-coach is already being blamed for the upcoming losing season! No need to figure out a scapegoat, therefore. Brass is so lucky!!
@@joeygrossbeak4092you made the same stupid comment on another channel.
He was still under contract to Toronto until June of this year. He couldn't coach in the NHL until it expired.
@@jefflarson1652 Right !
He's not just an NHL coach.
He's a triple gold coach. The fact that people have anything to say about this guy-and they don't know know what a triple gold coach is?
Makes all of this moot point.
All this henhouse going on and everyone I encounter doesn't even know what a triple gold coach is
They're not common-there's only one.
He is the best professional hockey coach worldwide.
Because that's what he has in his trophy cabinet.
the petty little boys that gossiped in the media, breaking the sacred rule of keeping it in the locker room, don't have anything close to The Great Coach Babcock in their trophy cabinets.
That resume goes far beyond Vermont & the NHL.
Ask Tim Thomas. He didn't get his Stanley Cup by training in the USA.
Only one out of Coach Babcock's three major golds, has anything to do with North America.
Vermont is funny about hockey. The Newport rink got a $25,000 Grant to fix it up and get kids supplies. It disappeared... Went into the state's discretionary fund. As usual
I got ahold of a bunch of equipment from another hockey arena, we sold some stuff, trying to come up with cash donations, gloves hats...
It was people outside of Vermont that pitched in donations to help out that rink. Not vermonters...
They were waiting for another Federal Grant
🙄
Sorry, My opinion I don't like Biz-Nasty and the Spittin Chiclets. Biz acts like he is in charge of the NHL player's. He is out of the NHL enough said. But then Babcock should know better.
he is or was hardly anything like that - he was as much a trainer as a player - I think he has more healthy scratches than games
@pjpredhomme7699 I have watched the SC and found out the way Biz talks about hockey issues is one reason I stopped watching it. When I see him on ESPN, it drives me crazy with his attitude. I wish he would just shutup. That is my opinion.
Bizz blows
I wish I had all the facts, cause it sounds like a couple of crybabies getting in touch with Babcock haters😮 would like to know more specifics
Agreed
you can bet when the PA got involved it was plenty more than that - something definitely wrong with the guy
Do you want a manipulative narcissist as your boss?
Who is Babcok
Regarding Dubas not letting guys wear Jerseys - Did Rodion Amirov ever wear a Leafs jersey in a game or did he miss out due to this policy?
These guys don’t know crap but act like they’re insiders who actually have players speaking to them. Players don’t speak to journalists on that level, especially when we now have retired players in media. I would much rather listen to Biz, Whit, and the rest of the guys who actually played in the league
and yet you are here listening to them - and took the time to let the world know that you have no interest in them - bet that works well with chicks too
The only thing I learned in this podcast is that Canadian journalists are just as bad as American journalists. I didn't make the 15 minutes mark. Adios.
Hate to say but this sounds like a Toronto media driven hit piece on Babcock that just cost a man his job.
Mike Commodore says otherwise. 😆
@@andrewphilips2457 I watched that and it certainly lends another perspective. There have been a lot of players who said wonderful things about Babcock over the years. Marchand, Linstrom and draper come to mind. Coaching is a tough job, there will always be a spectrum of opinions.
@@zackd4770 All that combined with the Marner incident. I'm shocked somebody hired him again.
Certainly didn't take him long to shoot himself in the foot.
The dinosaur coaching style of him and that other alleged A-hole, Mike Keenan, are thankfully mostly a thing of the past.
The theory that he tries to self sabotage, and take the money and run doesn't seem that outlandish.
@@andrewphilips2457 That man is nothing but a salty clown who's mad about his failed career.
@@andrewphilips2457tell me that you seriously don’t believe what Mike commie says do you?
Is Babcock getting paid anyway?
He has 50 million leaf bucks already.
Mike Babcok
Jeff Marek looks like the world’s oldest 10 year old
The world is so frikin soft
If the threshold for firing bosses is now "made you feel uncomfortable" A LOT of bosses are going to be fired.
Babcock seems nuts, but until we here more about what happens all we know is that Jenner and Gaudreau were fine with it. Hard to take a strong position on either side.
I would say it's hard to take a strong stance, unless you believe in karma.
Of course, I know personally none of the people involved, but from what I've heard in the media, Babcock deserved it.
When your child grows up and gets a job. Let me know how cavalier you will be if their min wage manager demands to see their phone pics.
It’s only hard to take a strong position if you think that what is on your personal phone is your bosses ‘ business.
Depends on how he asks, which is why we need more information before taking strong reactionary positions. If you frame the issue in your terms (without all the facts) it is easier to make bold statements.@@danielshays7161
If Babcock violated people's privacy and so many people around the sport are so upset, obviously he had to go. (I personally don't feel the horror and 'creepiness' when I hear what Babcock did, but I suppose that's a generational thing.)
My issue with this whole situation is that (if Elliotte is correct) players who don't play for Columbus initiated this, which strikes me as people with axes to grind bringing down the coach of another team. Violating people's privacy doesn't sit well with me, but hit jobs like this don't bode well for the future of coaches in the NHL.
I definitely felt it was a hit job out of Toronto. Spittin Chiclets has been hammering Babcock since he left the Leafs. Every hit piece you find on the net is from a former TSN employee. I don't know that any other coach would have been let go over this and it was only a matter of time before Biz and gang made a mountain out of a molehill because the hate is real.
Finally it came.
Enjoy your retirement Babcock and not to forget your legacy.
The won't fire all them because they would be paying 6 people for the same jobs 😂
You gotta love Elliotte Friedman for his candour and intelligence, but he doesn't need to associate a blunder he may or may not have made with something entirely different. The process of passing the torch at 32 Thoughts is nowhere near the process of hiring an NHL coach. No need for Friedman to insert himself into this story. Also, when Friedman says he's "not pro-politician at all" is a strange thing to say. I don't care to know what you think of politicians. But if you don't like them, you've opened the doors for us to ask who you vote for and why.
Who would have ever thought looking at pictures on a phone would end a career... say no, im not comfortable giving you my phone... don't do it and whine about it later.... Thats worse behavior than what happened in my opinion. The world needs to grow a pair. Story made outta nothing...
BADCOCK IS HE FINISHED
same with Ron Wilson -both thought they were genius - got away with a lot of BS elsewhere - but came to Toronto and tried that - and the scrutiny - said - whaaaaaaaaaaat ? Neither will ever coach again - probably for the best .
***NO COACH should be allowed to see a hockey player's wife's nude pictures. That - should be a perk only for Season Ticket Holders******
Wrong over and over,,,,, it shouold be 'If I WERE a good person"....not WAS.
I think it's sad...I hope he(babcock) gets paid. It's like they let this happen to make an example of him. Totally bird dogged him
Hes a great coach, after Toronto he obviously was trying to be "nicer" to players. Hes not perfect and this was definitely on the awkward side of the spectrum, but this was definitely a hit piece on Babcock. He didnt deserve this and was never going to get a second chance. Shady level of evidence across the board on this one.
He’ll be back in league coaching by November.
This whole thing was a joke and blown out of proportion.
Expect a team to pick him up , once s few teams start firing a couple coaches by November
@@zackd4770it was 100000% a hit on Babcock. Theres not a shred of doubt in my mind. For anyone saying it’s not. They’re delusional.
This whole thing stinks. He had no choice but to resign
@@Nall412 everything I know about Babock, he wont come back. Even if someone does want him. Hes made his money and he does not need this BS
He's better then 20 coaches right now. If you don't have babies on your team he could help
The NHL condones and celebrates sexual deviance, but condemns invasion of privacy. Does Bettman drink Bud Light?
It’s simple. The young beta players that were scared of Babs hurting their feelings saw this as an opportunity to get rid of him and blew this all out of proportion. And Columbus’ front office was scared of the bad PR. All fear. The world we live in now, all about not hurting feelings. Coaches are going to be afraid to say anything critical of a player now, that’s coming soon.
💯💯💯💯
You've obviously never worked for a malignant narcissist. 40 years ago 1/3rd to 1/6th of management were these type of people. It was hell. Now management is just brain dead and technically incompetent. Lol
I guess youre just completely ignoring this guy's history but ok. Look into how he treated Johan franzen, is he a "beta" too?
^this is the toxic attitude that is pervasive in all leagues. These type of 1975 bro's are long past their time. The league needs to get rid of them. All leagues do.
@@brentm9848 I was born in 89 bro.
BCOCK " U got nudy pics on your phone " new player "u cant see them "
That what went down?
Your media team has to step it up I literally finished the pod on apple podcast app in time for it to hit RUclips
wtf?
Babacoooooook
Coach may have wanted out earlier....than this purported fiasco. Too experienced to make this kind of mistake.
Most likely he just couldn't change. Most likely he invented all sorts of justifications for why he was doing it.
This isn't a mistake. It's the way he operates. He's a dipshit control freak who is abusive to players. Has been for 2+ decades.
Probably right , however I just find it hard to believe it with that many years of experience, he could do that big an error, it's a people business, he knows that; it is what it is. @@bunsw2070
Didn't Jenner say it was blown out of proportion and Gaudreau also commenting it was a great meeting??? Let me learn more about you sharing pics of your family??? Seems a little weird...
This whole thing man. Is sketchy af. It doesn’t seem right at all. From spittin chicklets. Just out of the blue releasing this information. Which btw seems so exaggerated and painted in this weird light. Where it makes Babcock look nefarious in every way.
The timing in all of this is so sus. To release it just a week before training camp opens
Narcissists have a way of masking their abuse of targeted individuals by being charming with others.
@@rccyberwarrior2267I think you’re looking far too deep into this guy. Narcissistic? 😂😂😭. You hardly know the man. You get all your information about him, through sensationalism and 2 nd 3rd sometimes even 4th hand information
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totally disagree on how Biz handled the secondhand news. his opening line was hey Boone get in here and let me see pictures of your throbbing C@$k he blew this up for clickbait. now we are going to have to deal with a toxic room and unending damage control on a team that has been struggling for respect for 20+ years. never liked Babcock, didn't want him here. but they endorsed him i think it was a really good sell job bye Babcock. you guys should have laid this at the feet of Biz,and the NHLPA for not putting in avenues for players to vent before it comes to this.
Have you never listened to Spittin Chiclets before? They always talk like this. Bisonette is a gross and sexist airhead. Him coming out with this news doesn't change that in the least.
Biz is funny.
Quit talking about older versus younger players and how they would be able to handle a Babcock differently. The guy was, IS still a smuck and the "old NHL" needs to change. Drastically. Name all the crap the NHL has been connected to since the 50's (hazing, and more etc) which needs to be torched forever and replaced by transparency and humanity. Elliot doesn't have to be sticking for that smaltz.
Why do they want him crucified ? he made a mistake... like hes the only one ?
The big story is that hockey is starting. This stuff : 🥅🏒
Not this stuff: 🎤
Trashing a triple gold coach is not hockey - its gossip
Could we shut down the henhouse 🐔 boys & get to the men's game?🐓