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"Hey Gale, i really want to help you, but the magic you wield is ravenous and would consume everything. Like, literally everything. Please just die and kill it, i'll make sure to catch your soul, thanks m80" There, drama avoided. Unless original Gale wouldn't comply, but explaining the stakes would probably do the trick.
I understand the point of power corrupts and all, but it is such a BS that the fandom blindly claims that god gale ending is a evil one, because gale is more than justified tho do what he does here. Mystra basically groomed gale since he was a boy, used him, and then discarded him like he was nothing. She didn´t even bother to explain the whole orb business, and made gale feel guilty because of it, and to make it even worse, she tells gale to explode himself, like it was his obligation or something, worse goddess ever, i hope origin absolute gale succeed in overthrowning her.
It's bad, not necessarily because of him standing up to Mystra - but because it means his main personality flaw goes unchecked. It's the name of his domain, Ambition. Gale consistently overreaches. He ignored the one thing Mystra told him not to do because of the ambitions that rule him, it wasn't enough to have seen the realm of the gods and secrets other wizards would have died to even get a glimpse at. He HAD to see the one thing Mystra had told him not to pursue. Gale has a horrible inability to know when to stop. It's a very wizard flaw. If Gale ascends as he perhaps wants to, then he never learns from his initial mistake. He never learns how truly dangerous it can be when his ambitions grow outside of what his abilities can handle. It's outright stated by Raphael in any ending where Gale ascends to godhood and Raphael isn't killed that in time Gale will, with his lack of restraint and relentless ambition, will eventually cause a catastrophe that would be WORSE than anything Raphael could do if he'd got the crown. If he ascends he never learns to reign himself in when his ideas get too big, and in time, that fatal flaw in the hands of a god will cause unparalleled chaos and devastation. That's why it's his 'bad' ending. He leans into his greatest flaw and makes it his entire personality rather than learn from it.
@@TheCraftySam Not bad i would say, it´s neutral at best, and certainly even good if Tav/urge/origin main character ascend with him ( by the way he kept his promises ), cause they would always keep him in check, and even god gale himself dont appear to be this power-hungry maniac that the fandom paints him to be. Actually, in fact, if you check the devnotes of his dialogue in the epilogue, when questioned if he will eventually return to his old plan of revolting against Mystra, his internal monologue says he know that would be a very bad idea ( which shows he actually learned at least a little from his mistakes lol ) , so you can see that dispite his god status, he is not this mindless cataclysm villain raphael makes him to be. Speaking in Raphael btw, you should not really believe in that stupid narcissist, he tought that gale would just hand over the crown to him as a god... And he think he can take over all the nine hells from asmodeus ( remember that even mephistopheles WITH the crown of karsus is not even close in power to be a match against asmodeus, your boy raphael would be killed in a single instant in his revolution ), and if you check all of raphael endings, you can see he´s delusional and thinks everthing is about him, even if you give the crown to mystra, he says she will create a new portifolio and make the world in ruins. Also, ambition is not an evil trait, it´s more an neutral one, ambitious people can be both good or evil, and it is not like gale can do more about it since Ao wouldnt allow, Ao maybe will come around in a millenia or so, before he considers allowing gale followers to gain his magic... And if romanced, think of all the people tav/his partner will help as a god, this is why i personally think ``Dekarios the divine´´ its his best ending.
The only thing I found disappointing about him becoming a god in my first play through was that he became the god of ambition and not god of a new type of weave/ magic kinda like shars dark weave.
Ambition suits him well, I think. He desires the crown to further his own power, to become what he believes he deserves. Even his relationship with Mystra suited his ambitions. He believed he was in love, probably was, but more so with the very idea that he bedded the goddess of all magic. Let's also keep in mind that Karsus is also considered a God of ambition for much the same reason, believing himself to be deserving of godhood, and as the only entity that can truly right the world. Wouldn't be the first time a God has a sphere that seems strange on the surface. Vecna for example is a lich-god, but his portfolio is Secrets, Lies, and Magic, not Death or Undeath. Same with Evening Glory. She's a goddess of eternal love and beauty, only... she's also depicted as a zombie because she literally represents "eternal love into undeath."
He is technichally a god of a new weave tho right? With the karsite weave like that specific kind of weave is the magic that ascends him to godhood (the crown basically allowed him complete control of it) unless im wrong
She was sorta good aligned relatively recently in the timeline, at least this iteration of her was. The gods threw a big stink about it because she's too strong to be allowed to take a side. That whole affair ended up ruining her relationship with Kelemvor (who was also too good and got complains from the gods) and she's been understandably bitter about it and more of a dick since.
So, Gale's story is: - Be good at magic, get with the goddess of magic. - Goddess of magic, having been killed by an ambitious wizard, doesn't want her new man to get power before he's ready to wield it. - Gale thinks opening the evil book will make her change her mind prematurely. - Unwittingly awakens a world-devouring evil. - The evil magic takes *all* of his earned power, he's unaware. - Goddess of magic gives him the boot for awakening the evil. - Gale, unaware of his actions, feels betrayed. - Gale suffers the consequences of his actions. - Mystra starts feeding the evil magic her magic to keep it from killing him. Gale must now blow himself up to earn Mystra's forgiveness. - In God Gale route, Gale takes this personally. Tav doesn't help. - Eventually, Gale sees the Crown of Karsus, and decides that he should have that power. Which is exactly the ambition Mystra was wary of from the start. - Mystra finally tells him everything, Gale threatens to become a god. Can we stop the whole "who's at fault" argument? Gale met her when he was in his 20s and both have been shit at communication. Gale was impatient and thoughtless, Mystra was suffering PTSD from Karsus. This could have gone so much better, but at least the good ending kind of works out.
that Mystra cant have PTSD form Karsus its different mystra she is like just 60 years old God who was before mortal Sorceress and yearn her godhood on random during times of troubles. So she just afraid for her power not suffering from trauma.
Mystra isn’t Mystral, mystral is just dead, mystra hasn’t had to deal with anything she’s a several thousand year old creature that decides to bang young vulnerable men over whom she has authority and power, Massive Creep anything else she does is irrelevant at that point. Imagine your 97 year old grandpa professor sleeping with his student, ye shes a hundred percent at fault.
@@marcnolan2409 I dont think so, well… look at how Cyric and Lady Shar ganged up and killed mystra once and no other god lifted a finger about it, and i daresay that ambition is something all the gods have in common, ( aside from jergal, but he is a friend of Gale anyway ), Gale already have 2 gods that support him ( Withers and Tav ), and Mystra is hated and already at war against Shar, Cyric and Lolth. Also Mystra in this scenario had just spared Gale instead of killing him, there is not much of a reason for them to fight, if anything, she might expect him to side with her against her many more powerful enemies.
Who you gunna trust if you were a god? the god of magic whose always been impartial and done what needs doing to protect the world? Or an arrogant hubristic human whose usually wrong, eager to be a god cause a girl hurt his feelings?
Must be so frustrating to be a god in the DnD universe. To have all that power and yet be able to use none of it when a mortal worshipper gets to big for their britches and starts gunning for your position. Can't smite the fucker, because Ao forbids it so you kinda just gotta sit there and watch them gain more and more power. Mystra literally governs all magic and she can't do shit about one wizard, who straight up told her to her face that he isn't going to do as she asks, is gaining tons of forbidden knowledge and is on the cusp of achieving godhood. If Gale did become a god, though, wouldn't Mystra be able to just duke it out with him then? She can't touch him as long as he's mortal because Ao forbids gods from directly killing mortals, but once he's a god, he becomes fair game, right? And she's got him beat in raw power and millennia of experience. Feels like it should be an easy match for her. Just smite the upstart as soon as he reaches divinity and claim his portfolio. I could be missing something obvious, because DnD lore isn't really my strong suit, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about anything, but that's how I understand it, at least.
From what I understand, that only happens if Gale picks a fight with her. He has the potential to do so as a variant of his God ending, and it goes VERY poorly for him. Otherwise, the two basically enter into a stare-off. She could just rush him down and trample him, but that could backfire if the other Gods intervene. There's plenty of evil Gods who'd love to take Mystra's portfolio. Also, Ao could intervene as well. He made the conscious choice to let Gale reach godhood. He is the arbiter on who can and can't become a god. Someone could perfectly reproduce the steps Gale took to become a God only for their soul to be erased because Ao just said no and moved on. As such, it could follow that Ao wouldn't want Mystra undermining his decision.
Uh huh... Both were in the wrong. Gale unknowingly released a darkness that's all consuming, and Mystra just bailed without a word. Both are evil, both deserve each other.
Yeah... not a good idea to get on a goddess' bad side. After all, no matter how powerful you think you are, she can end you in a blink. Always the first thing D&D players go for: self-satisfying mischief and take power for oneself, without remembering prior examples.
Part of me finds it amusing that Gale ascends to godhood, but sadly, it seems that most of his desires and "Moral judgements" are forgotten once he do so, basically all the flaws he pointed at the gods also appear in him as well, which is a shame. Gods in D&D universe would deserve to contend with powerful Godskins from Elden Ring though, if there is a lot that deserves to be hunted down and skinned like powerless prey, it's them. And no further proof is needed of it than a "sound moral judgement" guy becoming a quasi-asshole once he becomes a god. It's a Kind that should not exist.
As I understand THIS Mystra is Mystra because the overgod Ao got tired of the gods bullshit and made them all mortal (albeit incredibly powerful). The previous Mystra tried to break back into the realm of the gods, only to be struck down by the one god Ao allowed to remain, so long as he guarded the gate. The wizard Midnight became the new Mystra once Ao allowed the gods to return. Basically it is not unprecedented for corrupt gods to meet their ends in this setting.
@@TheodoricFriedevery interesting to learn the god are mortal. Anything could happen really. Could the gods be destituted and new gods be put in place? Like a complete overhaul 😂
@@PossibleBat whole mess was kicked off because a couple of evil gods stole the major artifact of AO, the "Tablets of Fate" a set of stone tablets containing the true names and portfolios of every deity in the setting, AO then banished every deity into mortality aside from Helm the Watcher, who he set to guard the one route back to the higher planes, previous Mystra knew that she needed to get back to her post since without a competent god managing the Weave directly things tend to go haywire in very short order (when Karsus took over the role of "God of Magic" the entire weave failed within seconds, taking out the flying cities of Netheril) Mystra was blocked by Helm and tried fighting her way back, getting instantly killed by Helm, an act that actually caused Helm to let a tear drop from his eyes (that tear then became a full on artifact tier magic item) the conditions for the gods to return to their posts was the return of AO's Tablets of Fate, something that was eventually accomplished by a party of adventurers which included Midnight who was sort of a back up plan Mystra had set in place
*most* of the good gods are actually great beings outside of this particular game's story apparently, they'll usually tend to wander the mortal planes in the guise of mortals, lending aid to people in need wherever they go, it's some of the Neutral and all of the Evil gods that need to meet the godskins
Everyone's always on Gale's side because he's a softboy, but Mystra is canonically the weave, he's literally devouring her alive, and the revelation that his act could lead to the end of all life in the world didn't even make him blink, he immediately was like "Yeah but what about me" when the correct response should have been "in that case, you put everything at risk by not telling me Mystra, I had no idea I was damaging the weave merely by still being alive" - which would be valid! Mystra isn't perfect, she's also younger than him so there's that You can judge Mystra however you want, but Gale is onesuggestion of "Yeah but you should just be a tyrant because you're better than everyone else" away from doing so, its a marvel Bane hasn't already gotten to him
Mystra is absolutely not younger than Gale. She is a centuries old goddess who groomed Gale since he was a boy, then dropped him as soon as he became an inconvenience.
@@ssoorrcc She didn't groom him as a boy unless you count being in your 20s as being a boy. Mystra returned after 2nd Sundering in 1487 ie. 5 years before events of BG3. Unless Gale is Benjamin Button, he was not a kid when they met.
There's a myriad of reasons why it might be so. First among them is that this is not the same Mistra, quite literally. This one is a ex-mortal sorceress (or wizardess) who back in those days go by the name Midnight.
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"Hey Gale, i really want to help you, but the magic you wield is ravenous and would consume everything. Like, literally everything. Please just die and kill it, i'll make sure to catch your soul, thanks m80"
There, drama avoided. Unless original Gale wouldn't comply, but explaining the stakes would probably do the trick.
😂 you perfectly summarized why despite being logically right she's in the wrong in this situation and it's hilarious
Step 1: don’t be a creepy perv that bangs their followers.
Gale’s story is so wild since him ascending to stand toe-to-toe with the goddess who wronged him is supposed to be his bad ending
well gale hasnt turned evil though has he? hes accended and if you accend with him i think that could be a rather good ending tbh
I understand the point of power corrupts and all, but it is such a BS that the fandom blindly claims that god gale ending is a evil one, because gale is more than justified tho do what he does here. Mystra basically groomed gale since he was a boy, used him, and then discarded him like he was nothing. She didn´t even bother to explain the whole orb business, and made gale feel guilty because of it, and to make it even worse, she tells gale to explode himself, like it was his obligation or something, worse goddess ever, i hope origin absolute gale succeed in overthrowning her.
It's bad, not necessarily because of him standing up to Mystra - but because it means his main personality flaw goes unchecked. It's the name of his domain, Ambition. Gale consistently overreaches. He ignored the one thing Mystra told him not to do because of the ambitions that rule him, it wasn't enough to have seen the realm of the gods and secrets other wizards would have died to even get a glimpse at. He HAD to see the one thing Mystra had told him not to pursue.
Gale has a horrible inability to know when to stop. It's a very wizard flaw. If Gale ascends as he perhaps wants to, then he never learns from his initial mistake. He never learns how truly dangerous it can be when his ambitions grow outside of what his abilities can handle.
It's outright stated by Raphael in any ending where Gale ascends to godhood and Raphael isn't killed that in time Gale will, with his lack of restraint and relentless ambition, will eventually cause a catastrophe that would be WORSE than anything Raphael could do if he'd got the crown.
If he ascends he never learns to reign himself in when his ideas get too big, and in time, that fatal flaw in the hands of a god will cause unparalleled chaos and devastation.
That's why it's his 'bad' ending. He leans into his greatest flaw and makes it his entire personality rather than learn from it.
@@TheCraftySam Of course, this also relies on taking something Raphael says at face value. So your mileage may vary.
@@TheCraftySam Not bad i would say, it´s neutral at best, and certainly even good if Tav/urge/origin main character ascend with him ( by the way he kept his promises ), cause they would always keep him in check, and even god gale himself dont appear to be this power-hungry maniac that the fandom paints him to be. Actually, in fact, if you check the devnotes of his dialogue in the epilogue, when questioned if he will eventually return to his old plan of revolting against Mystra, his internal monologue says he know that would be a very bad idea ( which shows he actually learned at least a little from his mistakes lol ) , so you can see that dispite his god status, he is not this mindless cataclysm villain raphael makes him to be. Speaking in Raphael btw, you should not really believe in that stupid narcissist, he tought that gale would just hand over the crown to him as a god... And he think he can take over all the nine hells from asmodeus ( remember that even mephistopheles WITH the crown of karsus is not even close in power to be a match against asmodeus, your boy raphael would be killed in a single instant in his revolution ), and if you check all of raphael endings, you can see he´s delusional and thinks everthing is about him, even if you give the crown to mystra, he says she will create a new portifolio and make the world in ruins. Also, ambition is not an evil trait, it´s more an neutral one, ambitious people can be both good or evil, and it is not like gale can do more about it since Ao wouldnt allow, Ao maybe will come around in a millenia or so, before he considers allowing gale followers to gain his magic... And if romanced, think of all the people tav/his partner will help as a god, this is why i personally think ``Dekarios the divine´´ its his best ending.
The only thing I found disappointing about him becoming a god in my first play through was that he became the god of ambition and not god of a new type of weave/ magic kinda like shars dark weave.
Ambition suits him well, I think. He desires the crown to further his own power, to become what he believes he deserves. Even his relationship with Mystra suited his ambitions. He believed he was in love, probably was, but more so with the very idea that he bedded the goddess of all magic.
Let's also keep in mind that Karsus is also considered a God of ambition for much the same reason, believing himself to be deserving of godhood, and as the only entity that can truly right the world.
Wouldn't be the first time a God has a sphere that seems strange on the surface. Vecna for example is a lich-god, but his portfolio is Secrets, Lies, and Magic, not Death or Undeath.
Same with Evening Glory. She's a goddess of eternal love and beauty, only... she's also depicted as a zombie because she literally represents "eternal love into undeath."
He is technichally a god of a new weave tho right? With the karsite weave like that specific kind of weave is the magic that ascends him to godhood (the crown basically allowed him complete control of it) unless im wrong
Mystra would not let him take control over magic. The karsite weave is what gave him power to become a god
Nah, it's good. There is an ending where he tries to become god of magic. One that ends exactly as it should have.
Mystra makes him an exarch as well, unless he tries to kill her, she's proud of him, even if he turns against her in every other way
Mystra is only not evil-aligned because she doesn't do much and Good doesn't want her on the enemy team.
lawful-neutral, actually, she is concerned about the Weave of magic and how it is one of those pesky pillars of necessity in the world
She was sorta good aligned relatively recently in the timeline, at least this iteration of her was. The gods threw a big stink about it because she's too strong to be allowed to take a side. That whole affair ended up ruining her relationship with Kelemvor (who was also too good and got complains from the gods) and she's been understandably bitter about it and more of a dick since.
@@soulgazer014 It's not a sports game.
Good has no reason to take complaints from Evil.
@@JoshSweetvaleI mean, isn’t it that way a little bit? I thought Ao was invested in keeping things “fair” to some extent.
@@JoshSweetvaleexcept they have to thanks to the grand dick overgod Ao
I’ve totally misread.
I wouldn't mind it if he did what you thought he did.
Did you though?
Same 😂
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@@bolladragon well, he tells us that he used to do that🤷
I can see both sides of what could be the good or bad ending for gale, she’s deffo a toxic ex
everyone has an ex that thinks she is better than you.. This one is just factually correct.
So, Gale's story is:
- Be good at magic, get with the goddess of magic.
- Goddess of magic, having been killed by an ambitious wizard, doesn't want her new man to get power before he's ready to wield it.
- Gale thinks opening the evil book will make her change her mind prematurely.
- Unwittingly awakens a world-devouring evil.
- The evil magic takes *all* of his earned power, he's unaware.
- Goddess of magic gives him the boot for awakening the evil.
- Gale, unaware of his actions, feels betrayed.
- Gale suffers the consequences of his actions.
- Mystra starts feeding the evil magic her magic to keep it from killing him. Gale must now blow himself up to earn Mystra's forgiveness.
- In God Gale route, Gale takes this personally. Tav doesn't help.
- Eventually, Gale sees the Crown of Karsus, and decides that he should have that power. Which is exactly the ambition Mystra was wary of from the start.
- Mystra finally tells him everything, Gale threatens to become a god.
Can we stop the whole "who's at fault" argument? Gale met her when he was in his 20s and both have been shit at communication. Gale was impatient and thoughtless, Mystra was suffering PTSD from Karsus. This could have gone so much better, but at least the good ending kind of works out.
that Mystra cant have PTSD form Karsus its different mystra she is like just 60 years old God who was before mortal Sorceress and yearn her godhood on random during times of troubles. So she just afraid for her power not suffering from trauma.
Mystra isn’t Mystral, mystral is just dead, mystra hasn’t had to deal with anything she’s a several thousand year old creature that decides to bang young vulnerable men over whom she has authority and power, Massive Creep anything else she does is irrelevant at that point.
Imagine your 97 year old grandpa professor sleeping with his student, ye shes a hundred percent at fault.
@@stevefilms1997 Dude just read time of troubles
yes, because the mortal is at fault for having been groomed and manipulated by a whole ass goddess, wtf?
Is Mystra voiced by the same person as from Meridia from Skyrim? "A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON!!!"
Somehow I suspect the other gods and Goddess 's would back Mystra up over Gale in this situation 😂
@@marcnolan2409 I dont think so, well… look at how Cyric and Lady Shar ganged up and killed mystra once and no other god lifted a finger about it, and i daresay that ambition is something all the gods have in common, ( aside from jergal, but he is a friend of Gale anyway ), Gale already have 2 gods that support him ( Withers and Tav ), and Mystra is hated and already at war against Shar, Cyric and Lolth. Also Mystra in this scenario had just spared Gale instead of killing him, there is not much of a reason for them to fight, if anything, she might expect him to side with her against her many more powerful enemies.
Who you gunna trust if you were a god? the god of magic whose always been impartial and done what needs doing to protect the world? Or an arrogant hubristic human whose usually wrong, eager to be a god cause a girl hurt his feelings?
@@Mikron20if I was a god? Probably the latter.
@@elijahcriswell1658 a poor choice. Karsus almost destroyed the world and magic itself with such foolishness.
@@Mikron20 the gods tend to be just as foolish 🤷♂️ I’m not saying that’s what I prefer happen, I’m saying that it’s in character for one of the gods
Must be so frustrating to be a god in the DnD universe. To have all that power and yet be able to use none of it when a mortal worshipper gets to big for their britches and starts gunning for your position. Can't smite the fucker, because Ao forbids it so you kinda just gotta sit there and watch them gain more and more power. Mystra literally governs all magic and she can't do shit about one wizard, who straight up told her to her face that he isn't going to do as she asks, is gaining tons of forbidden knowledge and is on the cusp of achieving godhood.
If Gale did become a god, though, wouldn't Mystra be able to just duke it out with him then? She can't touch him as long as he's mortal because Ao forbids gods from directly killing mortals, but once he's a god, he becomes fair game, right? And she's got him beat in raw power and millennia of experience. Feels like it should be an easy match for her. Just smite the upstart as soon as he reaches divinity and claim his portfolio.
I could be missing something obvious, because DnD lore isn't really my strong suit, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about anything, but that's how I understand it, at least.
It did in one of Gale ending. And Mystra presumably win, in her domain.
From what I understand, that only happens if Gale picks a fight with her. He has the potential to do so as a variant of his God ending, and it goes VERY poorly for him.
Otherwise, the two basically enter into a stare-off. She could just rush him down and trample him, but that could backfire if the other Gods intervene. There's plenty of evil Gods who'd love to take Mystra's portfolio.
Also, Ao could intervene as well. He made the conscious choice to let Gale reach godhood. He is the arbiter on who can and can't become a god. Someone could perfectly reproduce the steps Gale took to become a God only for their soul to be erased because Ao just said no and moved on. As such, it could follow that Ao wouldn't want Mystra undermining his decision.
To claim another god's domain is to change the nature of your own. If Mystra eats Ambition, it could have consequences for all of magic.
Glad I'm not having to put up with Gale's plans of ascending to godhood in my second playthrough. He's so oblivious lmao.
Uh huh... Both were in the wrong. Gale unknowingly released a darkness that's all consuming, and Mystra just bailed without a word. Both are evil, both deserve each other.
Yeah... not a good idea to get on a goddess' bad side. After all, no matter how powerful you think you are, she can end you in a blink.
Always the first thing D&D players go for: self-satisfying mischief and take power for oneself, without remembering prior examples.
not necessarily. vanquishing gods is entirely possible within the bounds of dnd. mystra specifically might be a bad one to fight though.
Hmm, after seeing this perhaps I should have my current Dark Urge help Gale, as they do love stabbing allies in the back and revenge plots
Now you have to find nsfw version... for my... wizard friend...
What armor is he wearing?
Clothing from Sorcerous Sundries shop
Part of me finds it amusing that Gale ascends to godhood, but sadly, it seems that most of his desires and "Moral judgements" are forgotten once he do so, basically all the flaws he pointed at the gods also appear in him as well, which is a shame.
Gods in D&D universe would deserve to contend with powerful Godskins from Elden Ring though, if there is a lot that deserves to be hunted down and skinned like powerless prey, it's them. And no further proof is needed of it than a "sound moral judgement" guy becoming a quasi-asshole once he becomes a god. It's a Kind that should not exist.
As I understand THIS Mystra is Mystra because the overgod Ao got tired of the gods bullshit and made them all mortal (albeit incredibly powerful).
The previous Mystra tried to break back into the realm of the gods, only to be struck down by the one god Ao allowed to remain, so long as he guarded the gate. The wizard Midnight became the new Mystra once Ao allowed the gods to return.
Basically it is not unprecedented for corrupt gods to meet their ends in this setting.
@@TheodoricFriedevery interesting to learn the god are mortal. Anything could happen really. Could the gods be destituted and new gods be put in place? Like a complete overhaul 😂
@@PossibleBat whole mess was kicked off because a couple of evil gods stole the major artifact of AO, the "Tablets of Fate" a set of stone tablets containing the true names and portfolios of every deity in the setting, AO then banished every deity into mortality aside from Helm the Watcher, who he set to guard the one route back to the higher planes, previous Mystra knew that she needed to get back to her post since without a competent god managing the Weave directly things tend to go haywire in very short order (when Karsus took over the role of "God of Magic" the entire weave failed within seconds, taking out the flying cities of Netheril) Mystra was blocked by Helm and tried fighting her way back, getting instantly killed by Helm, an act that actually caused Helm to let a tear drop from his eyes (that tear then became a full on artifact tier magic item) the conditions for the gods to return to their posts was the return of AO's Tablets of Fate, something that was eventually accomplished by a party of adventurers which included Midnight who was sort of a back up plan Mystra had set in place
*most* of the good gods are actually great beings outside of this particular game's story apparently, they'll usually tend to wander the mortal planes in the guise of mortals, lending aid to people in need wherever they go, it's some of the Neutral and all of the Evil gods that need to meet the godskins
If a god can die, and be tricked, is it really a god? Or a mortal with too much power and too much ego
Everyone's always on Gale's side because he's a softboy, but Mystra is canonically the weave, he's literally devouring her alive, and the revelation that his act could lead to the end of all life in the world didn't even make him blink, he immediately was like "Yeah but what about me" when the correct response should have been "in that case, you put everything at risk by not telling me Mystra, I had no idea I was damaging the weave merely by still being alive" - which would be valid! Mystra isn't perfect, she's also younger than him so there's that
You can judge Mystra however you want, but Gale is onesuggestion of "Yeah but you should just be a tyrant because you're better than everyone else" away from doing so, its a marvel Bane hasn't already gotten to him
Mystra is absolutely not younger than Gale. She is a centuries old goddess who groomed Gale since he was a boy, then dropped him as soon as he became an inconvenience.
@@ssoorrcc She didn't groom him as a boy unless you count being in your 20s as being a boy.
Mystra returned after 2nd Sundering in 1487 ie. 5 years before events of BG3. Unless Gale is Benjamin Button, he was not a kid when they met.
having read the elminster books this depiction of mystra is a disservice to her character imo, this depiction has non of her how to say gravitas?
Well, Elminster is Mystr's fanboy #1, so I would take his words with at least an entire pot of salt.
There's a myriad of reasons why it might be so. First among them is that this is not the same Mistra, quite literally. This one is a ex-mortal sorceress (or wizardess) who back in those days go by the name Midnight.
Anybody else initially read "Gale made Mystra SQUIRT" 👀?