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So glad I have the shop full of tools and machines I do. Most are more than 20 years old and just rarely give me issues and still going strong. I've a kitty 300mm planer thicknesser I bought new in 2002. It was a bit of a budget option at the time with cast aluminium tables and half the price of the Startrite I really wanted but couldn't afford. It's been worked incredibly hard over the now 23ish years & the only two issues was a replacement drive belt for the rollers and a new set of bronze bushings for same said rollers. Even the anodising on the table surfaces show little sign of wear. What's not to love ?. New machines may have new interesting features, but the build quality is often highly suspect.
Regarding the bandsaw blade change. My axminster saw has a similar silly design with the fence rail blocking the slot. Because the fence rail is bolted on both sides of the table I simply cut the rail in half, taking just enough material out to let me slide the blade in. Looks like you could do the same. Changing blades is still a pain (bandsaws always are) but it's a lot easier than it was. Fence still works perfectly BTW.
Very well put together video Keith and it’s really refreshing to hear an un-bias opinion on these tools even when you’d possibly have motive to do otherwise with brand deals etc, so hats off to you sir 👍 also with the festool pricing I’m 100% with you, tools and tradesmen nowa days are becoming quite flash with tools and vans, (myself included) because it’s nice to have nice things and good kit but unfortunately the big boy brands festool, Milwaukee etc and even Ford with vans are well aware of this and unfortunately prices are always on the rise for the end user
The only Festool "tool" I bought was their CT-15 dust extractor, which I then "upgraded" into something closer to a CTM-MIDI (by buying MIDI replacement parts which I knew would fit the CT-15 - although Festool themselves don't tell you that) for less than half the price of an actual MIDI. I also add zippers to their "disposable" bags so I can reuse them (you can get 5 to 10 uses out of each, easily).
I'm in the US so we see different brands with various combinations of features, sometimes they match up with yours and sometimes not. However, it still helps to hear you talk about your reasoning for liking/disliking tools. For a weekend warrior like myself, I want to spend money on materials, not tools, so getting the most bang for the buck is essential. Thanks for the insights!
Great video as always new woodworker trying to buy tools to set up my shop I truly appreciate hearing what tool someone else would or would not buy again. Thanks for sharing
Thanks Keith, really interesting to hear your thoughts on this, and a great way to link up all your excellent content devoted to researching, purchasing and setting up these machines ! For most of us buying any machinery is a substantial purchase and can be quite stressful, especially when after ll your research you still find that your choice is not what you were hoping for, so it's great to have open and frank content to refer to !
Thank you Keith in your calling out the ridiculous prices of Festool products. A Kapex miter saw, a crude tool woodworking wise, retails for over 1700$ in the US. I don't understand how that planer bed rocks so much - if its not a design flaw and the replacement machine doesn't have it, I would love to see what was wrong with yours. Please make a closeup video of the mechanism under the table before you send it back to compare against the new one.
I have the Axminster Planer/Thicknesser AW2260S which I believe is roughly equivalent to your iTech. I've been very happy with this, no thicknesser table wobble and the chip collection works pretty reasonably with Axminster's AW82e 1.1KW extractor. Worked straight out the box with very little setup required, other than tighten the drive belt.
I hope your new planer will be good. I suffered a lot with planer/thicknesser but finally settled on Felder AD741, I couldn't be happier after 3 years of using that machine.
I ask lumberjack about zero clearance plate on the ts1800 and found out the one that comes with it will accept a dado stack which I found interesting im going to try my cut dado pro locked one the new one with eu approved on it to see if it fits. Only thing I did find strange is the arbor being 5/8th and not 20mm or 30mm but not a major issue you just get the reducing rings. Apart from the thermal cutout kicking in when rip cutting a 8x4 hardwood plywood sheet a few times I’ve not had problems with it I’m going to upgrade the wings to the new cast iron ones. Cheers Steve 👨🏼🦽🇬🇧
My biggest regret was buying a Jet JJP-12HH jointer/planer. The planer is horrible with significant snip and boards stalling, no matter how I adjusted the feed rollers and replacing the rubber roller twice. The chain came off once due to a nut not being torqued enough at the factory and destroying the big nylon sprocket. Jet has had this part backordered for over a year but they did send me one off a used machine. I only use the jointer function now and bought a 20" planer, which I use exclusively. In hindsight, I should have only bought a jointer, although a 12" jointer would have cost as much as the JJP-12HH.
My jointer/planer has the same rocking movement of that table. It's still under warranty. I might send them a video too. I'm not hoping for a remplacement, but we'll see! Thanks!
Completely agree on the bandsaw. I also have a Charnwood, a similar but bigger model, but blade changes are a complete PITA and take about an hour to get it set up for different sizes. The door electric interlocks rapidly fill up with dust and get clogged up requiring dismantling. The plastic rack and pinion vertical arm adjustment stripped shortly after the warranty expired. I have now taken out the interlocks and got rid of the rack and pinion and just use a big bolt. It cuts well enough but would I buy it again - absolutely not.
Scott + Sargeant are a really friendly company to deal with. I live close(ish) to them and have been shown around their showroom. Friendly knowledgeable staff 👍🏻. Interesting take on the Domino. Festool tools are pro grade, as a company they keep spares for ten years after a machine becomes obsolete and when bought new, come with included three year insurance and on site warranty. Are they expensive yes. Is machine a game changer, yes. Therefore should Festool be able to keep producing under patient I believe yes. The thing is accurate quick and very reliable. If you put time and money into R&D produce a game changer you should be rewarded for the investment. Many brands are all about saving pennies yellow and black, red and even blue. A lot of kit is made disposable and in China not Germany
Did you check the inrush current on the lumberjack against the type of breaker you have? If the inrush current is too high for your breaker it’ll trip it but that’s not necessarily the fault of the machine.
Gasp! An advert! Good for you, Keith- I’m happy to entertain a commercial if it helps you and allows more great content to be made. Looks like something I would consider buying too 👍🏼
Hi Keith, I too have the iTech Planer / Thicknesser. I suspect you have a 'Friday afternoon' machine, mine has been faultless in the 3 years? I have owned it. I do not suffer your 'wobbly bed' issue. I have to say that your experience of Scott & Sergeant customer support is exactly like mine, they always seem to step up to the mark! Keep up the content.
Another excelent video keith thank you. Firstly, how do you get anything done without coffee 🤯 secondly, I bought a record power twin camvac extractor for £4-500 because it had acoustic tubes which made it quieter and, not those useless cartridge filters. I read nothing but bad things about basically all of the cartridges filters whic put me off. I've been really happy with the Camvac 👍🏻
Oh regarding festool, I purchased the vac and sander a few years ago because I decorate a lot at home, and sometimes for others. The ability to quickly and easily sand without dust is such a game changer, the amount of time, effort and clean up it has saved me, has easily paid back the £700ish outlay for the pair. 3 year warranty is really good too. I haven't bought into their drills etc as I'm very happy with Makita price/quality on all of those
I'm basically all Festool now, with Milwaukee for OPT and the few unavailable Festool tools. I've recently purchased the C18 to replace my 2008 vintage C12 (same machine, but from the 12V NiMH battery days), not because the C12 needed replaced, but because the batteries, while still available from Festool, now cost in excess of £120. The 12V batteries are still going strong...but I worry about how long for after 15 years. The C18 cost £185 as the HPC4.0 set, so cheaper than a couple of spare non-standard batteries. Cost-wise, All of my Festool corded and battery purchases from 2007 onwards are fully functional, with zero failures. All of my batteries and chargers similarly going strong with zero failures, despite being stored in an outside shed year round. In contrast, I've had several Milwaukee battery and charger failures. My old 12V NiMH batteries still charge on my newer 18V chargers and can actually be fitted to my 18V track saw and drills if I needed to keep on and was waiting for an 18V battery that wasn't quite charged. When comparing Milwaukee prices against Festool prices, it's always useful to include the price of a suitable Packout case plus shadow foam insert. Suddenly the discrepancy in price is negligible as the Festool price includes Systainer and inlay. 'Festool fanboy'? I'm looking at my Festool 'Work app.' with all of my Festool purchases, serial numbers, purchase dates and 'spares/accessories' tabs for all of them since 2006. Dewalt, Makita and Fein battery tools all came and went as a change of battery chemistry also meant that my year old tool was now obsolete and unsupported. Fine if your basic tool set is basically disposable after a job or a year or so of site use, not so great for quality workshop tools. As for price hikes, well, try the Domino alternatives out for cost rises over the same time period. Inflation + Brexshit is a bitch.
I have the heavier duty Domino which is the 700. Purchased 2018. Great tool but insanely expensive here in Aus. It was around $2700. It is currently at the repair shop but out of warranty. The motor seems to be running slow and has no torque. However they have no idea why. It's a great tool but way over priced. I have the Kapex and it's also a great tool and as a joiner I would not use anything else. It's deadly accurate and worth the money spent. I have the Festool dust collector with it and again it's so powerful and well designed. I also have the latest Festool track saw and it's always a pleasure to use. If you are making quality joinery and it's not a hobby then I feel they are worth the money. Except maybe the Domino.
As a Canadian we see very little of European style tools and the prices are probably double. When I first equipped my shop it made more sense to buy two separate tools for less money. I do like the design of many euro tools such as the band saws which has slowly creeped into North American design. I couldn’t imagine using a tablesaw without a dado capability and now that I’m retired I wouldn’t buy a small power tool like a Festool at a price 500$ more than my 3 hp Jet tablesaw with a unifence. Thanks for the content,and the Beatles,cheers
Good video on bandsaws the Axminster aw2606b is very good for the price it’s got plenty of power and good cutting height at 200mm it’s the one I use it’s 630pound at the moment and normally 850pound I think it would be better off even though it’s Axminster lower line of tools it work extremely well and the bearing guide adjustments are quite easy compared to other bandsaws I’ve used. I personally think it would be better for you than the slightly bigger one your on about from Axminster and a lot cheaper
Helpful and enjoyable, Keith - thankyou. I live 5 miles from Axminster and went to school there. It's AXminster - not AxMINster - HAHAHA! (BTW random fact - Numatic are not far from Axminster; based in Chard 7 miles away... I think they do all their manufacturing in the UK, even moulding the plastic and winding the motors?)
@@RagnBoneBrown regarding those planers, i sell machines on regular basics and had 10 or so planer thicknesser models which all are almost the same. Even those models with separate hinges for infeed and outfeed table are basically the same and they all had this problem with lifting of thicknesser table when planing boards. I wanted to keep one for myself but decided id keep Dewalt DW1150 as it is best made along with elektra beckum HC260
Hopefully you either got your sticky foam back out before you shipped it (to use it on the new one if possible) or passed on the dust collection 'issues' as well so they can see that too when they get the old unit back.
Good man, thank you kindly for this review. Gosh you speak my language in relation to assessing machinery. Really appreciate your review(s). Thank you.
Space is at a premium in my shop as well. Ideally I'd like a second bandsaw for same reason you would. I've been looking at the Rikon 10" bandsaw as a possibility for a second saw. Lost Art Press has spoken quite positively about the 10" bandsaw. If I had to do it all over again, for what I do, I would have started with it to see if it was enough for my needs.
Other than my Mafell saws/routers and Bosch flexiclick drill, I regret every other purchase😂 Bandsaw and Planer Thicknesser in particular. I have the same PT as you. That issue isn't right mate. Mine is solid. My gripe is not with the machine but with not buying a 300mm bed machine. As for the bandsaw - all charnwood bandsaws are Shi...rubbish!
Ive a very small shop. And went for wall mounted sip dust extractor with canister filter. That has been disappointing. The bolt holes on the extractor and cannister don't all line up. My screwfix shop vac has a sronger vacuum. It works , it connects to most things in my shop. On paper its the best compromise, in reality underwhelming. On the other side i have a small joineter/ planer from lumberjack, cannot fault it at all, no snipe , gutsy motor, also have the 14inch lumberjack bandsaw. Powerful motor. It resawed red oak sleepers that had aged, and were hard as hell 12x10 inch. It dealt with them perfectly. Was able to used the boards to make my sop door . Only thing with it is the micro switches on the upper and lower doors now and again play up. Id love to bypass them completely. And now and again have to reset fence and table.
It's high velocity low pressure. It's designed for extracting from large machines, so it's not really about suction. Vacuum is low velocity high pressure for small machines with small ports
Yes I understand that, it's why I chose that one........but had another tinker with it today. On the phlange that the pipe/ tube fits, sip have rather helpfully placed a screw. It's not big only protrudes a few mm . Then the sip pipe that I can buy locally , is a hardish black plastic thing. There's not alot of give in it. Hence when on the phlange , that wee screw is keeping it from sealing. Junk the tube, replaced with a softer clear one, from charnwood, and that seals , despite said screw. It's now shifting dust and shavings way better. All from a badly placed screw. Was going to remove it. But its got to be serving a purpose, but where its placed seems very odd.
Very interesting vid Keith. A uneducated conclusion i have reached is that big ticket machines like your dust extraction that doesnt seal properly. Is that they all must be made in the same factory in China. The defect will never be fixed as a result of that. Its good to see you review your choices as we have all been there with tools in general. Myself i bought a Makita table saw based on watching what you do with wood. The reality was that my workshop was too small to incorporate into and if i wanted to use it, i had to wheel it outside to use and it was very noisy. It just wasn't practical to have. Amazingly i got more than i paid for it on ebay. I had a simular experience with a router, but that was lack of talent on my part. And again i got more for it than i paid for it. On a positive note and i have said this before your channel does inspire me and my wood working skills are better as a result of that.
I have been fortunate in the past to have a well paying job /s, to be able to buy the tools I needed. I'm now retired and spend all day, every day in my 'Shed'. My shed is also very large, so can accommodate lots of tool space. evry one of my tools I use frequently and would not be without. Two Bandsaw, for re-saw and curves, ( being lazy). I use the Domino a lot, and again would not be without it. I would buy a cheaper brand if available, and agree it is over priced. No need to by other Festool, as other brands are a match for quality at half the price. My advice would be.. Buy the best you can with the money you have. Large will do little but little cannot do large ( Quote from Paul Sellers). Thanks for your thoughts.
I have the bandsaw you would consider as a replacement for the charnwood and it's a good choice - actually just checked I have its predecessor but the point remains the same. You make an interesting point about the Domino and Festool which I don't feel is entirely fair. Its price has risen sharply compared to when I bought my DF500 4 years ago - but all tools have, and I don't think Festool are the worst. You make that point regarding the bandsaw and table saw choices you've made compared to prices now. A ridiculous situation generally post-pandemic. As for them being an overpriced brand, sure, if you're not a professional, then, Bosch and Milwaukee do represent good or better value. I still hold that the Makita SP6000 corded plunge saw represents a no-brainer better value buy than a TS55. But, for the price, you get an unrivalled warrantee experience (which is with the tool, not the owner), theft insurance, repairs and maintenance way beyond the warrantee period and, in the case of my top festool picks (mitre-saw, 2 dust extractors and 150mm sander) exceptional dust collection. Anyway, still plodding-on with my Metabo P/T I can't commit to any upgrade just now. Great vid tho. K.
Very interesting video. I´m always bit nervous when upgrading tools. When you have owned tool for long time you learn its short comings and strengths. And when upgrading I cant help worrying if new machine is worse in some way. For example I have finally decided to upgrade my table saw (Dewalt 745 which I actually bought because your videos yeas ago). My new saw will be brand new Hammer K2M. Model is so new that deliveries stat September of this year. Hammer has good reputation and new saw is full cabinet style castiron saw (145 kg) so it should be big upgrade. Still makes me bit anxious :D
I have use of that exact same iTech from Scott and Sargent. The extraction is rubbish as you say, although our extractor is underpowered. And yes, the table tilt is very annoying. Ours has done it from day one, but we don't usually do fine work on ours so not been as much of an issue. So will wait with interest to see if the replacement machine does the same. If it does, then we'll be in contact with S&S. The iTech is very similar to the model sold by Axminster so interesting to see if that has the same issue.
Excellent video , I am researching for a thicknesser planer and the Itech seems like its in my budget but may I enquire as to any feedback on the lowewr table issue , did they fox the problem ,thankyou for any assistance
@@RagnBoneBrown Excellent as Scott Sargeant are doing a deal with the 260SS plus extractor for 2215£ ,manythanks indeed for your assistance and recommendations keep putting those videos out your doing an excllent job ,no music , no Oscar acting ,no mandatoiry coutry apple pie old man look just good info
The fine filter on the dust extractor might be the wrong version? It comes in two part numbers (62605 and 62606) for the two different sizes of dust extractor they sell. I recently purchased the same 2HP unit with the fine filter and the fit is flawless. It's possible they've updated the design, but I think it's more likely that they sent you the wrong combo. Purely by accident I bought the same 2HP unit and the same axminster cyclone, having not watched your previous video about it. Great minds!
I work in a joinery workshop and our panel saw has ridiculously poor extraction, so no matter the size of the model it seems they all have a common problem
Been a while since Ive been here last time as the you just recieved 100K subs. Congats for success then and ever since. Again good strong video and I like that youre dyeing your hair 😉 👍
9:30 - Did you try adding a foam strip to _both_ parts (i.e., so that foam is pressing against foam, 2 layers)? Or didn't they send you enough for that?
@@RagnBoneBrown - IIRC (from the original video), there's a rack-like thing near the latch which you set to the tightest position, so maybe it would be possible to fit a double layer of foam if you make it a bit looser. But if thy didn't send you enough for two layers then I guess they don't think you're supposed to use two layers, which means it really _should_ be tight enough with one.
Interesting video, really makes you think. I haven't found many tools that I've considered 'perfect'. There are some that I love like my Axminster AP350 bench top lathe, which is a beautiful machine. The Triton bobbin sander is excellent and would be perfect if it had a speed control. The Sealey PDM155 drill press is very well built and reliable. The Axminster AW300DS disc sander is exceptional value for money once you make a few small mods. My Axminster AC216 table saw has been a headache that is now out of warranty so I'm just preying it doesn't have any more catastrophic failures any time soon. When it works though it is fantastic and has handled everything I've asked of it. I think Axminster are lagging behind other manufacturers in terms of features, small design touches and in some cases quality. The purchase I regret most is my wall-mounted twin motor Camvac. I went through a couple of those Lumberjack vacuums before I decided to upgrade to something that could better handle dust and chips as I don't have space for both. A great concept ruined by poor engineering, it really is a letdown on a good day and a steaming pile of shit when it's showing off the full extent of its personality. I suppose the router table is a machine too - and to that end, I made the most expensive mistake I've made in woodworking by buying a Rutlands. The speed control in the motor failed in week 1, they supplied a replacement control board. The bearings failed after a year of light use, resulting in a very dangerous wobble in the spindle. Rutlands unfortunately do not stand by their products and have refused to honour the 3 year warranty, so I'm left with a motor that is dangerous to use, a lift that doesn't fit anything else, and a table that was always a saggy piece of junk. I had a lathe from Rutlands that went back with bad bearings after replacements which were provided that were also bad, a compressor with a failed safety valve that could have blown its tank under pressure, and a jamming nail gun. Never again.
Nice video, thanks. I was spoiled by my Moretens planer thicknesser, rock solid, fixed bed, 12" planer, 16" thicknesser, but it looks like they're no longer available and are like hens teeth pre-used. Power tools wise, I'm basically all Festool now, with Milwaukee for OPT and the few unavailable Festool tools. I've recently purchased the C18 to replace my 2008 vintage C12 (same machine, but from the 12V NiMH battery days), not because the C12 needed replaced, but because the batteries, while still available from Festool, now cost in excess of £120. The 12V batteries are still going strong...but I worry about how long for after 15 years. The C18 cost £185 as the HPC4.0 set, so cheaper than a couple of spare non-standard batteries. Cost-wise, All of my Festool corded and battery purchases from 2006 onwards are fully functional, with zero failures. All of my batteries and chargers similarly going strong with zero failures, despite being stored in an outside shed year round. In contrast, I've had several Milwaukee battery and charger failures. My old 12V NiMH batteries still charge on my newer 18V chargers and can actually be fitted to my 18V track saw and drills if I needed to keep on and was waiting for an 18V battery that wasn't quite charged. When comparing Milwaukee prices against Festool prices, it's always useful to include the price of a suitable Packout case plus shadow foam insert. Suddenly the discrepancy in price is negligible as the Festool price includes Systainer and inlay. 'Festool fanboy'? I'm looking at my Festool 'Work app.' with all of my Festool purchases, serial numbers, purchase dates and 'spares/accessories' tabs for all of them since 2006. Dewalt, Makita and Fein battery tools all came and went as a change of battery chemistry also meant that my one year old tool was now obsolete and unsupported. Fine if your basic tool set is basically disposable after a job or a year or so of site use, not so great for quality workshop tools. As for price hikes, well, try the Domino alternatives out for cost rises over the same time period. Inflation + Brexshit is a bitch.
Nice video Keith what a result on the plainer thicknesser. Ive had issues with my lumberjack not the version you looked at it's little brother and must say had mixed customer service from them even though it was under warranty (story for another day) i have just upgraded my table saw to the Rutlands model and its the business so far granted job site but can't afford the big cabinet saw but its solid. The domino ive looked at for while and the 500 and 750 xl on fb market place ive seen between 350-900. In your opinion would it be better to wait for newer versions of it or get second hand one?👍🏴🤷
Curious, I'm surprised Saw Stop wasn't on your list of table saws... I honestly don't own one but I would definitely pick one up if I needed one. I know everyone seems to have one, but I hear they are very well built and the first time it saves your fingers means it just paid for itself.
Interesting video and great perspective. About the only disagreement would be Festool. These are professional tools that live up to the daily abuse, work perfectly and are backed by a company that will provide warranty or repairs for a long time. The cost, as a professional, is negligible. Are they overpriced? Probably, but not egregiously so.
As someone who purchased the lumberjack table saw after your review. You did dodge a bullet. I had it for 6 months and ended up returning it and replacing it with the itech, which is a world away from the lumberjack for not a great deal more money. The lumber jack blade wouldn't stay true to the mitre slot. The fence has far too much flex my adjustment screws to set 90 and 45 where seezed and I could not ajust. It really gave me nightmares. Reviews are few and far between, but I can honestly say that with 6 months of use, I would not recommend it. On the positive side for lumberjack, their customer service was really good, and they did try to help me through the issues before offering a refund
On another note, I have the itech thickness plainer as well, and I do not have anything like the movement you have on the lower bed. After seeing your video, I went and checked. To make sure I wasn't going mad. I have nearly 0 snipe. I'm glad Scott and Sergeant are replacing as I think you won't be able to believe the difference. Look forward to an update video on this
Interesting, I had no such issues with my lumberjack saw, it was excellent. I guess it comes down to a lack of quality control which is perhaps understandable / forgiveable at such a reasonable price point, so maybe I just got lucky! I stand by my comments though, I'd have happily kept it if it weren't for that electrical problem. Yeah Scott & Sergeant I've been really impressed by their service
I bought the ts1800 around 2 years back. I had real issues with the 13a fuses continually blowing. After I fitted a 16a plug, that problem disappeared there and then. Maybe I've been lucky,my ts1800 saw cuts brilliantly. Cast iron top is flat,ample power,very simple blade change, and adjustment. I don't regret buying mine.
@RagnBoneBrown Yeah, I did wonder whether I was just un lucky. Your review seemed to be very in-depth, which is why it's the one I went for. It's such a shame. Hopefully this was a 1 off as I seemed to really get a lemon. The minute I sent all my problems to lumberjack they offered a replacement or refund. Which I could not fault.
@@johncorrall1739that's fantastic. It's good to see that mine may not have been representative of the saw. Yes I also changed for the 16amp and had no issues with power at all after that. I was worried they wouldn't refund because i cut the plug but didn't cause any issues. After returning
Hi the table beds should not move period , as for snipe that's to be expected from most machines , as for feeding multiple pieces in for thicknessing a sectional feed roller machine should be used not a single feed roller if memory serves me right
I have the updated axminster saw and my only real issue is that the fence lifts in the back when I fold the lever down to tighten it... I might be able to adjust something, and it doesn't really affect the cut since it'll lock down nice and square to the blade (and ends up flat to the table after the initial lift). But I don't think a £2000 saw should do that.
@@RagnBoneBrown Dunno what happened there Keith but I was referring to the big shed build shed base video - I was asking about the Milwaukee framing nailer you were using - not sure how the comment came up on this vid - weird! 🤔
I have the same itech machine and have the same issue with movement in the bed that you do I'm afraid. My machine is a few years old now but it did it from day one and I have the same snip and motor bog down issue as you. Fingers crossed your new one doesn't do it but I would not hold your breath.
Don't buy the Charnwood planer thicknesser. It has the exact same problems that you described and I hated it. Was sooo happy to sell it. I bought a jointer machine from Bernardo and I have access to a Felder planer thicknesser at a local workshop. Night and day difference.
If you use Festool tools professionally (as I do) they're worth every penny and the cost is negligible, especially as the warranty is good. Funnily enough I've only sold two tools and one was my DF500 as I hardly used it. Got most of my money back.
Can someone who really knows please tell me…. Is the Domino really so much better than a standard Biscuit joiner??? Is it worth the extra money and does it do a better job overall? I am on the festool platform for sanding, dust extraction, drill, driver and jigsaw but I use a standard cheapish Dewalt biscuit joiner and I want to know if the Domino is actually worth it or if it’s more of a ‘flex’ to own one rather than because it’s such a massive improvement on the biscuit joints?
Festool prices could probably be stabilised somewhat if they stopped focussing on paying social media 'influencers', which unfortunately seems to be part of their 'brand strategy' as they break into more of the mainstream in the UK and USA. I have a MIDI and an RTS 400 (corded), which are a great pairing - certainly not the first person to make this statement ;) I would say that the 3 year warranty isn't exactly astounding (DeWalt and others offer the same length).
Patents help protect the investment individuals and companies make on something new. There was nothing even close to the Domino when Festool created it. They deserve the protection before the cheap knock-offs come rolling in. I feel bad for companies like Woodpeckers who have all their best work ripped off and then sold for cheap on Amazon.
With the bandsaw fence rail being aluminum, why not just cut a slot in it for the blade to go through? Then adjust the two smaller fence rails to be accurate. Even a 1mm gap directly in front of the blade shouldn't impact anything as the fence won't ever be there.
Yeah not good at all, I think it's actually for progressively worse since I've been using it, so something must have come loose I guess? Good of S&S to support though and can't wait to get the new one 👍
@@RagnBoneBrown I’ll bet my bollocks in a barn dance that issue will be gone with the replacement! I’d be really pissed if they sent out the replacement with out checking it first though! 😆
4:16 in, there wouldn’t have been a problem with the saw, it’s be your electrical consumer unit, you need to swap the type b circuit breaker for a type c. It allows for a larger in rush current and gives a longer trip time while the current balances
Hi Keith, not 100% sure about this without going back into some of your videos but, if Scott & Sargeant replaced your machine which they probably have by now, didn't you say that you bought the spiral cutters for that machine? if you did i hope you took them off before they took the machine. Barry (the Wirral)
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So glad I have the shop full of tools and machines I do. Most are more than 20 years old and just rarely give me issues and still going strong.
I've a kitty 300mm planer thicknesser I bought new in 2002. It was a bit of a budget option at the time with cast aluminium tables and half the price of the Startrite I really wanted but couldn't afford. It's been worked incredibly hard over the now 23ish years & the only two issues was a replacement drive belt for the rollers and a new set of bronze bushings for same said rollers. Even the anodising on the table surfaces show little sign of wear. What's not to love ?.
New machines may have new interesting features, but the build quality is often highly suspect.
On the fence about the table saw, whittling down the options for a lathe ... some dad-joke belters in this one 😁
🤣 Well spotted
@@fuzzix I missed the fence one 😁
Regarding the bandsaw blade change. My axminster saw has a similar silly design with the fence rail blocking the slot. Because the fence rail is bolted on both sides of the table I simply cut the rail in half, taking just enough material out to let me slide the blade in. Looks like you could do the same. Changing blades is still a pain (bandsaws always are) but it's a lot easier than it was. Fence still works perfectly BTW.
As someone without the space or money for big machines would love to have a similar round up of your most used hand power and hand tools
Very well put together video Keith and it’s really refreshing to hear an un-bias opinion on these tools even when you’d possibly have motive to do otherwise with brand deals etc, so hats off to you sir 👍
also with the festool pricing I’m 100% with you, tools and tradesmen nowa days are becoming quite flash with tools and vans, (myself included) because it’s nice to have nice things and good kit but unfortunately the big boy brands festool, Milwaukee etc and even Ford with vans are well aware of this and unfortunately prices are always on the rise for the end user
The only Festool "tool" I bought was their CT-15 dust extractor, which I then "upgraded" into something closer to a CTM-MIDI (by buying MIDI replacement parts which I knew would fit the CT-15 - although Festool themselves don't tell you that) for less than half the price of an actual MIDI. I also add zippers to their "disposable" bags so I can reuse them (you can get 5 to 10 uses out of each, easily).
I'm in the US so we see different brands with various combinations of features, sometimes they match up with yours and sometimes not. However, it still helps to hear you talk about your reasoning for liking/disliking tools. For a weekend warrior like myself, I want to spend money on materials, not tools, so getting the most bang for the buck is essential. Thanks for the insights!
Thank you!
Great video as always new woodworker trying to buy tools to set up my shop I truly appreciate hearing what tool someone else would or would not buy again. Thanks for sharing
Thanks Keith, really interesting to hear your thoughts on this, and a great way to link up all your excellent content devoted to researching, purchasing and setting up these machines ! For most of us buying any machinery is a substantial purchase and can be quite stressful, especially when after ll your research you still find that your choice is not what you were hoping for, so it's great to have open and frank content to refer to !
Thank you Keith in your calling out the ridiculous prices of Festool products. A Kapex miter saw, a crude tool woodworking wise, retails for over 1700$ in the US. I don't understand how that planer bed rocks so much - if its not a design flaw and the replacement machine doesn't have it, I would love to see what was wrong with yours. Please make a closeup video of the mechanism under the table before you send it back to compare against the new one.
I have the Axminster Planer/Thicknesser AW2260S which I believe is roughly equivalent to your iTech. I've been very happy with this, no thicknesser table wobble and the chip collection works pretty reasonably with Axminster's AW82e 1.1KW extractor. Worked straight out the box with very little setup required, other than tighten the drive belt.
I hope your new planer will be good. I suffered a lot with planer/thicknesser but finally settled on Felder AD741, I couldn't be happier after 3 years of using that machine.
I ask lumberjack about zero clearance plate on the ts1800 and found out the one that comes with it will accept a dado stack which I found interesting im going to try my cut dado pro locked one the new one with eu approved on it to see if it fits. Only thing I did find strange is the arbor being 5/8th and not 20mm or 30mm but not a major issue you just get the reducing rings. Apart from the thermal cutout kicking in when rip cutting a 8x4 hardwood plywood sheet a few times I’ve not had problems with it I’m going to upgrade the wings to the new cast iron ones.
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My biggest regret was buying a Jet JJP-12HH jointer/planer. The planer is horrible with significant snip and boards stalling, no matter how I adjusted the feed rollers and replacing the rubber roller twice. The chain came off once due to a nut not being torqued enough at the factory and destroying the big nylon sprocket. Jet has had this part backordered for over a year but they did send me one off a used machine. I only use the jointer function now and bought a 20" planer, which I use exclusively. In hindsight, I should have only bought a jointer, although a 12" jointer would have cost as much as the JJP-12HH.
My jointer/planer has the same rocking movement of that table. It's still under warranty. I might send them a video too. I'm not hoping for a remplacement, but we'll see!
Thanks!
Hi Keith, thanks for your honest review in your workshop tools on what you like and the ones you regret. Great video
Completely agree on the bandsaw. I also have a Charnwood, a similar but bigger model, but blade changes are a complete PITA and take about an hour to get it set up for different sizes. The door electric interlocks rapidly fill up with dust and get clogged up requiring dismantling. The plastic rack and pinion vertical arm adjustment stripped shortly after the warranty expired. I have now taken out the interlocks and got rid of the rack and pinion and just use a big bolt. It cuts well enough but would I buy it again - absolutely not.
Scott + Sargeant are a really friendly company to deal with. I live close(ish) to them and have been shown around their showroom. Friendly knowledgeable staff 👍🏻.
Interesting take on the Domino. Festool tools are pro grade, as a company they keep spares for ten years after a machine becomes obsolete and when bought new, come with included three year insurance and on site warranty. Are they expensive yes. Is machine a game changer, yes. Therefore should Festool be able to keep producing under patient I believe yes. The thing is accurate quick and very reliable.
If you put time and money into R&D produce a game changer you should be rewarded for the investment.
Many brands are all about saving pennies yellow and black, red and even blue. A lot of kit is made disposable and in China not Germany
Great video, thanks Kieth, interested to hear about the new planer/thicknesser when it arrives, keep 'em coming and stay lucky
Did you check the inrush current on the lumberjack against the type of breaker you have? If the inrush current is too high for your breaker it’ll trip it but that’s not necessarily the fault of the machine.
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Thanks
Thanks for all the information, Keith!!! 😊
I hope it solves the issue with the planner!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks so much for watching
Hi Keith, I too have the iTech Planer / Thicknesser. I suspect you have a 'Friday afternoon' machine, mine has been faultless in the 3 years? I have owned it. I do not suffer your 'wobbly bed' issue. I have to say that your experience of Scott & Sergeant customer support is exactly like mine, they always seem to step up to the mark! Keep up the content.
Thanks! 👍
Always good to hear when companies are delivering good service.
You can change your trousers so quickly! #magic! 😃
Another excelent video keith thank you.
Firstly, how do you get anything done without coffee 🤯 secondly, I bought a record power twin camvac extractor for £4-500 because it had acoustic tubes which made it quieter and, not those useless cartridge filters. I read nothing but bad things about basically all of the cartridges filters whic put me off. I've been really happy with the Camvac 👍🏻
Oh regarding festool, I purchased the vac and sander a few years ago because I decorate a lot at home, and sometimes for others. The ability to quickly and easily sand without dust is such a game changer, the amount of time, effort and clean up it has saved me, has easily paid back the £700ish outlay for the pair. 3 year warranty is really good too. I haven't bought into their drills etc as I'm very happy with Makita price/quality on all of those
I'm basically all Festool now, with Milwaukee for OPT and the few unavailable Festool tools. I've recently purchased the C18 to replace my 2008 vintage C12 (same machine, but from the 12V NiMH battery days), not because the C12 needed replaced, but because the batteries, while still available from Festool, now cost in excess of £120. The 12V batteries are still going strong...but I worry about how long for after 15 years. The C18 cost £185 as the HPC4.0 set, so cheaper than a couple of spare non-standard batteries.
Cost-wise, All of my Festool corded and battery purchases from 2007 onwards are fully functional, with zero failures. All of my batteries and chargers similarly going strong with zero failures, despite being stored in an outside shed year round.
In contrast, I've had several Milwaukee battery and charger failures. My old 12V NiMH batteries still charge on my newer 18V chargers and can actually be fitted to my 18V track saw and drills if I needed to keep on and was waiting for an 18V battery that wasn't quite charged.
When comparing Milwaukee prices against Festool prices, it's always useful to include the price of a suitable Packout case plus shadow foam insert. Suddenly the discrepancy in price is negligible as the Festool price includes Systainer and inlay.
'Festool fanboy'? I'm looking at my Festool 'Work app.' with all of my Festool purchases, serial numbers, purchase dates and 'spares/accessories' tabs for all of them since 2006. Dewalt, Makita and Fein battery tools all came and went as a change of battery chemistry also meant that my year old tool was now obsolete and unsupported. Fine if your basic tool set is basically disposable after a job or a year or so of site use, not so great for quality workshop tools.
As for price hikes, well, try the Domino alternatives out for cost rises over the same time period. Inflation + Brexshit is a bitch.
bosch and others also make good dust extractors without the Festool price.
Thanks for the tip on mods to the planer to improve dust extraction. I did this on mine and it made a huge difference.
Glad it helped!
I have the heavier duty Domino which is the 700. Purchased 2018. Great tool but insanely expensive here in Aus. It was around $2700. It is currently at the repair shop but out of warranty. The motor seems to be running slow and has no torque. However they have no idea why. It's a great tool but way over priced. I have the Kapex and it's also a great tool and as a joiner I would not use anything else. It's deadly accurate and worth the money spent. I have the Festool dust collector with it and again it's so powerful and well designed. I also have the latest Festool track saw and it's always a pleasure to use. If you are making quality joinery and it's not a hobby then I feel they are worth the money. Except maybe the Domino.
As a Canadian we see very little of European style tools and the prices are probably double. When I first equipped my shop it made more sense to buy two separate tools for less money. I do like the design of many euro tools such as the band saws which has slowly creeped into North American design. I couldn’t imagine using a tablesaw without a dado capability and now that I’m retired I wouldn’t buy a small power tool like a Festool at a price 500$ more than my 3 hp Jet tablesaw with a unifence. Thanks for the content,and the Beatles,cheers
Good video on bandsaws the Axminster aw2606b is very good for the price it’s got plenty of power and good cutting height at 200mm it’s the one I use it’s 630pound at the moment and normally 850pound I think it would be better off even though it’s Axminster lower line of tools it work extremely well and the bearing guide adjustments are quite easy compared to other bandsaws I’ve used. I personally think it would be better for you than the slightly bigger one your on about from Axminster and a lot cheaper
I agree with you about the band saw . Me too, same complaints
Helpful and enjoyable, Keith - thankyou. I live 5 miles from Axminster and went to school there. It's AXminster - not AxMINster - HAHAHA! (BTW random fact - Numatic are not far from Axminster; based in Chard 7 miles away... I think they do all their manufacturing in the UK, even moulding the plastic and winding the motors?)
Hats off to Scott & sargeant for replacing your thicknesser planer machine 👍
Absolutely
@@RagnBoneBrown regarding those planers, i sell machines on regular basics and had 10 or so planer thicknesser models which all are almost the same. Even those models with separate hinges for infeed and outfeed table are basically the same and they all had this problem with lifting of thicknesser table when planing boards. I wanted to keep one for myself but decided id keep Dewalt DW1150 as it is best made along with elektra beckum HC260
The cynic in me has to wonder... would Joe Public get the same level of customer service as a famous RUclipsr/influencer?
Hopefully you either got your sticky foam back out before you shipped it (to use it on the new one if possible) or passed on the dust collection 'issues' as well so they can see that too when they get the old unit back.
Yeah I'll have to buy some more of that tape stuff!
The two bandsaw setup is defiantly the dream.
I've got two bandsaws and I think you only need a small saw for curves. Keep the big saw for resawing and get a £200 one for curves.
Would love to see how you get your planer in a returnable state on pallet, assuming youve thrown the original boxing away!
fabulous service over the thicknesser/planer
Indeed!
Amazing video Keith 😃👍
Did u ever get the new itech planer thicknesser? I'm asking as I'm looking to purchase a p/t down to itech or axminster I think
I did. It is perfect
Good man, thank you kindly for this review. Gosh you speak my language in relation to assessing machinery. Really appreciate your review(s). Thank you.
Glad I could help!
Space is at a premium in my shop as well. Ideally I'd like a second bandsaw for same reason you would. I've been looking at the Rikon 10" bandsaw as a possibility for a second saw. Lost Art Press has spoken quite positively about the 10" bandsaw. If I had to do it all over again, for what I do, I would have started with it to see if it was enough for my needs.
Bought something from Lumberjack today using your code. Thanks!
Thanks appreciated 👍
Other than my Mafell saws/routers and Bosch flexiclick drill, I regret every other purchase😂 Bandsaw and Planer Thicknesser in particular. I have the same PT as you. That issue isn't right mate. Mine is solid. My gripe is not with the machine but with not buying a 300mm bed machine. As for the bandsaw - all charnwood bandsaws are Shi...rubbish!
Ive a very small shop. And went for wall mounted sip dust extractor with canister filter. That has been disappointing. The bolt holes on the extractor and cannister don't all line up. My screwfix shop vac has a sronger vacuum. It works , it connects to most things in my shop. On paper its the best compromise, in reality underwhelming. On the other side i have a small joineter/ planer from lumberjack, cannot fault it at all, no snipe , gutsy motor, also have the 14inch lumberjack bandsaw. Powerful motor. It resawed red oak sleepers that had aged, and were hard as hell 12x10 inch. It dealt with them perfectly. Was able to used the boards to make my sop door . Only thing with it is the micro switches on the upper and lower doors now and again play up. Id love to bypass them completely. And now and again have to reset fence and table.
What machines are you using the hvlp with? Hvlp isn't a vacuum, they're very different beasts...
@@RagnBoneBrown it's a 1hp sip wall mounted dust extractor with a 1 micron cannister filter. Just would have imagined a bit more suction from it.
It's high velocity low pressure. It's designed for extracting from large machines, so it's not really about suction. Vacuum is low velocity high pressure for small machines with small ports
Yes I understand that, it's why I chose that one........but had another tinker with it today. On the phlange that the pipe/ tube fits, sip have rather helpfully placed a screw. It's not big only protrudes a few mm . Then the sip pipe that I can buy locally , is a hardish black plastic thing. There's not alot of give in it. Hence when on the phlange , that wee screw is keeping it from sealing. Junk the tube, replaced with a softer clear one, from charnwood, and that seals , despite said screw. It's now shifting dust and shavings way better. All from a badly placed screw. Was going to remove it. But its got to be serving a purpose, but where its placed seems very odd.
As always, thanks for measuring spl at 1m. Pro work 🙌
great video thank you. i was expeting to see you talking about a shaper.
Very interesting vid Keith. A uneducated conclusion i have reached is that big ticket machines like your dust extraction that doesnt seal properly. Is that they all must be made in the same factory in China. The defect will never be fixed as a result of that. Its good to see you review your choices as we have all been there with tools in general.
Myself i bought a Makita table saw based on watching what you do with wood. The reality was that my workshop was too small to incorporate into and if i wanted to use it, i had to wheel it outside to use and it was very noisy. It just wasn't practical to have. Amazingly i got more than i paid for it on ebay. I had a simular experience with a router, but that was lack of talent on my part. And again i got more for it than i paid for it. On a positive note and i have said this before your channel does inspire me and my wood working skills are better as a result of that.
I'd highly recommend a second hand Sedgwick. Overly engineered and bomb proof and a lot cheaper than 2k
I have been fortunate in the past to have a well paying job /s, to be able to buy the tools I needed. I'm now retired and spend all day, every day in my 'Shed'. My shed is also very large, so can accommodate lots of tool space. evry one of my tools I use frequently and would not be without. Two Bandsaw, for re-saw and curves, ( being lazy). I use the Domino a lot, and again would not be without it. I would buy a cheaper brand if available, and agree it is over priced. No need to by other Festool, as other brands are a match for quality at half the price. My advice would be.. Buy the best you can with the money you have. Large will do little but little cannot do large ( Quote from Paul Sellers). Thanks for your thoughts.
I have the bandsaw you would consider as a replacement for the charnwood and it's a good choice - actually just checked I have its predecessor but the point remains the same. You make an interesting point about the Domino and Festool which I don't feel is entirely fair. Its price has risen sharply compared to when I bought my DF500 4 years ago - but all tools have, and I don't think Festool are the worst. You make that point regarding the bandsaw and table saw choices you've made compared to prices now. A ridiculous situation generally post-pandemic. As for them being an overpriced brand, sure, if you're not a professional, then, Bosch and Milwaukee do represent good or better value. I still hold that the Makita SP6000 corded plunge saw represents a no-brainer better value buy than a TS55. But, for the price, you get an unrivalled warrantee experience (which is with the tool, not the owner), theft insurance, repairs and maintenance way beyond the warrantee period and, in the case of my top festool picks (mitre-saw, 2 dust extractors and 150mm sander) exceptional dust collection. Anyway, still plodding-on with my Metabo P/T I can't commit to any upgrade just now. Great vid tho. K.
Very interesting video. I´m always bit nervous when upgrading tools. When you have owned tool for long time you learn its short comings and strengths. And when upgrading I cant help worrying if new machine is worse in some way. For example I have finally decided to upgrade my table saw (Dewalt 745 which I actually bought because your videos yeas ago). My new saw will be brand new Hammer K2M. Model is so new that deliveries stat September of this year. Hammer has good reputation and new saw is full cabinet style castiron saw (145 kg) so it should be big upgrade. Still makes me bit anxious :D
I have use of that exact same iTech from Scott and Sargent. The extraction is rubbish as you say, although our extractor is underpowered. And yes, the table tilt is very annoying. Ours has done it from day one, but we don't usually do fine work on ours so not been as much of an issue. So will wait with interest to see if the replacement machine does the same. If it does, then we'll be in contact with S&S. The iTech is very similar to the model sold by Axminster so interesting to see if that has the same issue.
How was your repalcement machine? Still having the same issues with ours
Thanks, Keith. But technical for me, but I still enjoyed it and anyway, Mickey had a cameo role!
Excellent video , I am researching for a thicknesser planer and the Itech seems like its in my budget but may I enquire as to any feedback on the lowewr table issue , did they fox the problem ,thankyou for any assistance
They replaced the machine with new which works flawlessly
@@RagnBoneBrown Excellent as Scott Sargeant are doing a deal with the 260SS plus extractor for 2215£ ,manythanks indeed for your assistance and recommendations keep putting those videos out your doing an excllent job ,no music , no Oscar acting ,no mandatoiry coutry apple pie old man look just good info
Great video, full of interesting information.
The fine filter on the dust extractor might be the wrong version? It comes in two part numbers (62605 and 62606) for the two different sizes of dust extractor they sell. I recently purchased the same 2HP unit with the fine filter and the fit is flawless. It's possible they've updated the design, but I think it's more likely that they sent you the wrong combo. Purely by accident I bought the same 2HP unit and the same axminster cyclone, having not watched your previous video about it. Great minds!
Do you not use the locking lever on the machine when in thicknessing mode? Just a thought. Cheers.
I work in a joinery workshop and our panel saw has ridiculously poor extraction, so no matter the size of the model it seems they all have a common problem
Great feedback Keith!
I respect the fact you aare an Axminster affiliate but still very very honest about their products
Thank you! I try to be
Been a while since Ive been here last time as the you just recieved 100K subs. Congats for success then and ever since. Again good strong video and I like that youre dyeing your hair 😉 👍
9:30 - Did you try adding a foam strip to _both_ parts (i.e., so that foam is pressing against foam, 2 layers)? Or didn't they send you enough for that?
They didn't send enough for that and I don't think there'd be enough space plus it'd make them difficult to put together 👍
@@RagnBoneBrown - IIRC (from the original video), there's a rack-like thing near the latch which you set to the tightest position, so maybe it would be possible to fit a double layer of foam if you make it a bit looser.
But if thy didn't send you enough for two layers then I guess they don't think you're supposed to use two layers, which means it really _should_ be tight enough with one.
Interesting video, really makes you think. I haven't found many tools that I've considered 'perfect'. There are some that I love like my Axminster AP350 bench top lathe, which is a beautiful machine. The Triton bobbin sander is excellent and would be perfect if it had a speed control. The Sealey PDM155 drill press is very well built and reliable. The Axminster AW300DS disc sander is exceptional value for money once you make a few small mods.
My Axminster AC216 table saw has been a headache that is now out of warranty so I'm just preying it doesn't have any more catastrophic failures any time soon. When it works though it is fantastic and has handled everything I've asked of it. I think Axminster are lagging behind other manufacturers in terms of features, small design touches and in some cases quality.
The purchase I regret most is my wall-mounted twin motor Camvac. I went through a couple of those Lumberjack vacuums before I decided to upgrade to something that could better handle dust and chips as I don't have space for both. A great concept ruined by poor engineering, it really is a letdown on a good day and a steaming pile of shit when it's showing off the full extent of its personality. I suppose the router table is a machine too - and to that end, I made the most expensive mistake I've made in woodworking by buying a Rutlands. The speed control in the motor failed in week 1, they supplied a replacement control board. The bearings failed after a year of light use, resulting in a very dangerous wobble in the spindle. Rutlands unfortunately do not stand by their products and have refused to honour the 3 year warranty, so I'm left with a motor that is dangerous to use, a lift that doesn't fit anything else, and a table that was always a saggy piece of junk. I had a lathe from Rutlands that went back with bad bearings after replacements which were provided that were also bad, a compressor with a failed safety valve that could have blown its tank under pressure, and a jamming nail gun. Never again.
Which router table from Rutlands?
I have the Record Power Sabre 350 and it is a wonderful machine with cast iron wheels and plenty of power
good information mate, i’ve been thinking about that lumberjack table saw 👍
Nice video, thanks. I was spoiled by my Moretens planer thicknesser, rock solid, fixed bed, 12" planer, 16" thicknesser, but it looks like they're no longer available and are like hens teeth pre-used. Power tools wise, I'm basically all Festool now, with Milwaukee for OPT and the few unavailable Festool tools. I've recently purchased the C18 to replace my 2008 vintage C12 (same machine, but from the 12V NiMH battery days), not because the C12 needed replaced, but because the batteries, while still available from Festool, now cost in excess of £120. The 12V batteries are still going strong...but I worry about how long for after 15 years. The C18 cost £185 as the HPC4.0 set, so cheaper than a couple of spare non-standard batteries.
Cost-wise, All of my Festool corded and battery purchases from 2006 onwards are fully functional, with zero failures. All of my batteries and chargers similarly going strong with zero failures, despite being stored in an outside shed year round.
In contrast, I've had several Milwaukee battery and charger failures. My old 12V NiMH batteries still charge on my newer 18V chargers and can actually be fitted to my 18V track saw and drills if I needed to keep on and was waiting for an 18V battery that wasn't quite charged.
When comparing Milwaukee prices against Festool prices, it's always useful to include the price of a suitable Packout case plus shadow foam insert. Suddenly the discrepancy in price is negligible as the Festool price includes Systainer and inlay.
'Festool fanboy'? I'm looking at my Festool 'Work app.' with all of my Festool purchases, serial numbers, purchase dates and 'spares/accessories' tabs for all of them since 2006.
Dewalt, Makita and Fein battery tools all came and went as a change of battery chemistry also meant that my one year old tool was now obsolete and unsupported. Fine if your basic tool set is basically disposable after a job or a year or so of site use, not so great for quality workshop tools.
As for price hikes, well, try the Domino alternatives out for cost rises over the same time period. Inflation + Brexshit is a bitch.
Nice video Keith what a result on the plainer thicknesser. Ive had issues with my lumberjack not the version you looked at it's little brother and must say had mixed customer service from them even though it was under warranty (story for another day) i have just upgraded my table saw to the Rutlands model and its the business so far granted job site but can't afford the big cabinet saw but its solid. The domino ive looked at for while and the 500 and 750 xl on fb market place ive seen between 350-900. In your opinion would it be better to wait for newer versions of it or get second hand one?👍🏴🤷
I've had the Lumberjack TS1800 for 2 years now and its been great!
Good to hear that 👌
my Charnwood paner has the same movement problem on the thicknesser bed.
😞 thanks for the feedback and sorry to hear that
is there a link to setting up the planer thicknesser please? I have the Axminster (same machine) and am struggling to set it up
The link is in the description as explained in the video 👍
"I don't want to be tempted by what I might find" made me laugh, it's the exact reason I don't keep up with the current tool features.
🤣👍
Curious, I'm surprised Saw Stop wasn't on your list of table saws... I honestly don't own one but I would definitely pick one up if I needed one. I know everyone seems to have one, but I hear they are very well built and the first time it saves your fingers means it just paid for itself.
Not available in UK
13:32 the DeWalt planer here in the US is less than the price of that one and theres no movement in the bed.
Interesting video and great perspective. About the only disagreement would be Festool. These are professional tools that live up to the daily abuse, work perfectly and are backed by a company that will provide warranty or repairs for a long time. The cost, as a professional, is negligible. Are they overpriced? Probably, but not egregiously so.
There are lots of tool brands that are for professionals, hold up to daily abuse and work perfectly that are not horrifically overpriced
As someone who purchased the lumberjack table saw after your review. You did dodge a bullet. I had it for 6 months and ended up returning it and replacing it with the itech, which is a world away from the lumberjack for not a great deal more money. The lumber jack blade wouldn't stay true to the mitre slot. The fence has far too much flex my adjustment screws to set 90 and 45 where seezed and I could not ajust. It really gave me nightmares. Reviews are few and far between, but I can honestly say that with 6 months of use, I would not recommend it. On the positive side for lumberjack, their customer service was really good, and they did try to help me through the issues before offering a refund
On another note, I have the itech thickness plainer as well, and I do not have anything like the movement you have on the lower bed. After seeing your video, I went and checked. To make sure I wasn't going mad. I have nearly 0 snipe. I'm glad Scott and Sergeant are replacing as I think you won't be able to believe the difference. Look forward to an update video on this
Interesting, I had no such issues with my lumberjack saw, it was excellent. I guess it comes down to a lack of quality control which is perhaps understandable / forgiveable at such a reasonable price point, so maybe I just got lucky! I stand by my comments though, I'd have happily kept it if it weren't for that electrical problem. Yeah Scott & Sergeant I've been really impressed by their service
I bought the ts1800 around 2 years back. I had real issues with the 13a fuses continually blowing. After I fitted a 16a plug, that problem disappeared there and then. Maybe I've been lucky,my ts1800 saw cuts brilliantly. Cast iron top is flat,ample power,very simple blade change, and adjustment. I don't regret buying mine.
@RagnBoneBrown Yeah, I did wonder whether I was just un lucky. Your review seemed to be very in-depth, which is why it's the one I went for. It's such a shame. Hopefully this was a 1 off as I seemed to really get a lemon. The minute I sent all my problems to lumberjack they offered a replacement or refund. Which I could not fault.
@@johncorrall1739that's fantastic. It's good to see that mine may not have been representative of the saw. Yes I also changed for the 16amp and had no issues with power at all after that. I was worried they wouldn't refund because i cut the plug but didn't cause any issues. After returning
I make my own bañ saws the guide bearings are easy to change
Dust extraction on a bandsaw is so the inside doesn't get messed up, not really to prevent dust outside the machine
The planer issue is the definite no for me . I would need to upgrade that one for sure .
The new one is flawless
Hi the table beds should not move period , as for snipe that's to be expected from most machines , as for feeding multiple pieces in for thicknessing a sectional feed roller machine should be used not a single feed roller if memory serves me right
Great video
Honest review of tools
I have the updated axminster saw and my only real issue is that the fence lifts in the back when I fold the lever down to tighten it... I might be able to adjust something, and it doesn't really affect the cut since it'll lock down nice and square to the blade (and ends up flat to the table after the initial lift). But I don't think a £2000 saw should do that.
I had a similar issue with mine which I fixed in the upgrades video
@@RagnBoneBrown I'll take a look - thanks!
I'm with the cat as far as those holy water additives are concerned
Great vid - as always. Have you any plans to review the nailgun you were using?
Which one?
@@RagnBoneBrown Dunno what happened there Keith but I was referring to the big shed build shed base video - I was asking about the Milwaukee framing nailer you were using - not sure how the comment came up on this vid - weird! 🤔
I have the same itech machine and have the same issue with movement in the bed that you do I'm afraid. My machine is a few years old now but it did it from day one and I have the same snip and motor bog down issue as you. Fingers crossed your new one doesn't do it but I would not hold your breath.
@@GB-mu9ue yeah I would. Although I'd need to research
i think you got a lemon Keith , I have the same machine and have none of the issues you have
Thank you! 👍
Never mind all of your fancy tools, what about the green pot you found!
Haha I'm not sure the project I had in mind for it is going to come together unfortunately
Don't buy the Charnwood planer thicknesser. It has the exact same problems that you described and I hated it. Was sooo happy to sell it. I bought a jointer machine from Bernardo and I have access to a Felder planer thicknesser at a local workshop. Night and day difference.
If you use Festool tools professionally (as I do) they're worth every penny and the cost is negligible, especially as the warranty is good. Funnily enough I've only sold two tools and one was my DF500 as I hardly used it. Got most of my money back.
Can someone who really knows please tell me…. Is the Domino really so much better than a standard Biscuit joiner??? Is it worth the extra money and does it do a better job overall? I am on the festool platform for sanding, dust extraction, drill, driver and jigsaw but I use a standard cheapish Dewalt biscuit joiner and I want to know if the Domino is actually worth it or if it’s more of a ‘flex’ to own one rather than because it’s such a massive improvement on the biscuit joints?
Dominos are for adding strength, biscuits have basically no strength and are just for alignment
Festool prices could probably be stabilised somewhat if they stopped focussing on paying social media 'influencers', which unfortunately seems to be part of their 'brand strategy' as they break into more of the mainstream in the UK and USA. I have a MIDI and an RTS 400 (corded), which are a great pairing - certainly not the first person to make this statement ;) I would say that the 3 year warranty isn't exactly astounding (DeWalt and others offer the same length).
Who on social media do they pay? I don't know anyone ...
£500 is a bargain for that domino, given the prices! But, yes, down with silly patents.
Patents help protect the investment individuals and companies make on something new. There was nothing even close to the Domino when Festool created it. They deserve the protection before the cheap knock-offs come rolling in. I feel bad for companies like Woodpeckers who have all their best work ripped off and then sold for cheap on Amazon.
@@Psychlist1972 are woodpecker still a successful business?
Soooo. We're not likely to see a Rag n Bone / Festoon colab then? Lol. Good on you for calling it out. Good tools. But it's not that good.
With the bandsaw fence rail being aluminum, why not just cut a slot in it for the blade to go through? Then adjust the two smaller fence rails to be accurate. Even a 1mm gap directly in front of the blade shouldn't impact anything as the fence won't ever be there.
My jaw hit the flaw seeing that thicknesser bed, shocking!!!
Yeah not good at all, I think it's actually for progressively worse since I've been using it, so something must have come loose I guess? Good of S&S to support though and can't wait to get the new one 👍
@@RagnBoneBrown I’ll bet my bollocks in a barn dance that issue will be gone with the replacement! I’d be really pissed if they sent out the replacement with out checking it first though! 😆
Just purchased the Holy drinks starter kit, thanks for the discount code, saved me a fiver plus free carriage, thanks Keith ✊
Enjoy! Thanks
@@RagnBoneBrown - That minty one is a bit of an acquired taste, don’t think I’ll order that in the future 🤣🤣✊
@@PaddyDoc mint? I don't think I got a minty one... Now I want to try it! Or was it an iced tea one? I'm not a tea fan so gave those to my brother!
@@RagnBoneBrown It’s lime, mint, matcha & green tea.
Pleasant it is not.
4:16 in, there wouldn’t have been a problem with the saw, it’s be your electrical consumer unit, you need to swap the type b circuit breaker for a type c. It allows for a larger in rush current and gives a longer trip time while the current balances
Hi Keith, not 100% sure about this without going back into some of your videos but, if Scott & Sargeant replaced your machine which they probably have by now, didn't you say that you bought the spiral cutters for that machine? if you did i hope you took them off before they took the machine.
Barry (the Wirral)
After what I thought was loads of online "research" I UNFORTUNATLY settled of the:
LAGUNA FUSION1 "Hybrid" table saw.
USD $1799..... 2 and half years ago!
It's been test started twice to verify squareness. Over 30 very frustrating of setup. It's cast top has over .034 non flatness. The stamped extensions will not come even close to flat. Fence is a joke.
And so it sits there, just taking up space and making my blood boil. Laguna could not care less.
Just wanted to say the promo code seems to be working for the autojack range on the lumberjack website too. Nice :-)
Cool, thanks!