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Canon R5C with 32-bit float audio? Mount the Zoom F3 to your rig.
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2023
- Mounting the Zoom F3 32-bit float field recorder to the Canon R5C to give it dual-XLR and super clean microphone pre-amp capabilities. The entire video is recorded using the Sennheiser MKE-600 on 48V phantom power on track 1, and DJI Mic wireless microphone on track 2. Both are combined in post. Only audio processing done is loudness matching to -23dB LUFS and compression using the "voiceover" preset in Adobe Audition. Of course the onboard scratch audio was synced up with the internal Zoom F3 recording and then deleted.
![[Eng Sub] Zoom F3 2-bit float two-channel field recorder](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jCVL4MByng8/mqdefault.jpg)
Thanks for the cold shoe slanted idea.
That's super useful. Thank you!
I just got a zoom F3 myself, but my A7III cage doesn't have a good shoe on the shoulder. So i bought cold shoe mints i can install on the cage instead
Glad it can work for you, although this idea has been done by some others before, just not exactly sure who.
@@chrishoesel yeah, I tried finding them but couldn't. I think it helps that your video addressed it directly even in the title, and it wasn't just "included" as part of a larger video
Great tip. Thanks!
Pretty cool🎉Thank You
if its synced up with camera its no longer recording 32 bit float right ?
Correct, the only reason to stream it to camera is to have the scratch audio available to sync up the internally-recorded tracks in post. Although the scratch audio is already very high quality and perfectly suitable for use as long as the levels are set right in camera.
what's scratch audio mean? @@shootloadrepeat
@@shootloadrepeat so with loss of 32 bit float when syncing zoom f3 with camera does the f3 still give a boost in audio quality with its built in pre amps ?
@@creativegreatsvisuals Scratch audio is usually sacrificial audio that is used to synchronize multiple cameras, or multiple audio sources with normally-higher quality audio that is internally-recorded, when one does not have or use better methods of synchronization, such as dedicated timecode or timecodes don't match.
Is it possible to use line out to record directly into camera & also record internally to still get the 32 bit float ?
Yes that is exactly how I use it. The line out to camera I use for scratch audio, and the internal record is synced up to it and used in the edit.
How does the line out to the camera handle the 2 channels from the f3? L and R are the 2 separated inputs? Thx
The camera has natively 4 channels of audio it can record on one track. Both F3 channels from the out will record to Ch3 and 4 respectively on the R5C. If you use the Tascam hotshoe audio interface I believe that one also has 2 additional XLR (minus the 32FP) as well but I could be wrong. I don't have the Tascam.
How easy is it to change the batteries? How long do the batteries last while using phantom power and sending the signal line in into the 3.5mm jack? Do you think this is a better solution that the Tascam hot shoe unit?
You can change the batteries fairly quickly, even with the monitor mount screwed in. Takes a few seconds although you do need to remove the whole thing. I get more than 2 hours on phantom power, two inputs (only 1 phantom), and output doesn't seem to affect time. I use Eneloop Pros. You can also power the recorder off of a spare USB C tap from your V-Mount if you have a multitap.
Excellent. I have the Zoom F3 also and was going to try this method on my Sony a1. How's it working for you thus far?
Thanks for watching. It's working out great so far. Still using this combo as well. I'm sure there are easier/less bulky ways to do it, but it's what I have and if I use the correct Mics, I can get excellent audio regardless of conditions.
So from my understanding does the Zoom recorder capture the DJI 24bit audio and converts it to 32bit float???
I believe it takes the audio in whatever format as an input, and records it in 32 bit float, yes.
Hello Chris, can You please write me what is with audio level in the R5C when I plugged F3 to MIC input in the camera should I set the audio level to manual and decrease the levels all down ? The second question is about output level in the F3 how so You set it ? Thank You very much
You can generate a tone from the F3 to set the recording (input) levels on the R5C. For example, the test-tone coming out of the F3 is at a set level (-20dB I think) and you will then manually set the channels 3 and 4 on the R5C so the continuous tone levels are at around -12dB peak. That will get you there. Then just make sure you are not clipping at the output of the F3, and that your F3 ch1 and ch2 waveforms are not "too high" or too large. something like x32 or x64 max.
So this now has 32 bit float on the wireless mics?
Not exactly, although you do get 32 float on the channel it's hooked up to, but you still have to set proper levels on the Tx and Rx pieces. If you record audio and it's not clipped/too low, then yes in Post you can raise and lower the levels losslesly. But if anything is clipped (as recorded by the DJI Mic) then it will also be clipped in super high quality 32bit float and it's ruined also :)
@shootloadrepeat man idk if I understand lol It says 32 bit 🤷🏻♂️
Does the zoom f3 has internal timecode to match its internal storage 32bit float recording with camera? Like as rode wireless pro?
No it does not have timecode generator capability. It can accept external timecode, however. Wish it did, it would be a perfect device. Maybe a future version? That would be cool.
Dude, clean the audio track of the sound of saliva! It is unpleasant to listen.
Not a clean setup....
some of us just care if it works