Fast forward a year later to July 2024. Over here in the USA at a Trek dealer near the city of Pittsburgh a brand new Trek Rail 7 Gen 2 can be had for $3800.00 USD. Original MSRP on it was $6649.99 USD. Bike is exact same as the one featured in your video. It should be coming in within one week from Trek warehouse to my local dealer. Wow, it definitely is a buyers market now. No matter what minor issues it may have, that is a whole lot of bang for the buck.
Me and a mate own Trek Rail 9. Top spec alloy version. Comes with a Zeb and really good component spec. In our view its one of the best value for money offerings out there, good performance, great reliability. The Bosch system is arguably the best system going, the emtb mode and power overrun and features i couldn't do without now. Ive done nearly 4000km on mine in 2.5yrs and had zero reliability issues. For the km im doing... i actually think my service intervals are lower than my steam bike was. Full phat ebike is where its at. Don't go trying to save a few kg. Reliability and performance all the way! 😊
Been riding a rail 9 since it first came out. It’s a great do everything bike. And agree about the Bosch, I ride mostly in the E setting and just let it do its thing. I have never ran out of battery. I have made two mods, a shorter stem (nock block compatible) and carbon fat boy bars. Ah anda bungee around the battery tube. Oh, and I have only broken one spoke. Assegai tyre on the front and minion on the rear. I have screwed in the controller, matching a screw for it from Bunnings. I am thinking about mulleting it. But would want the electronics to be updated so the motor doesn’t cut out too soon and all the electric programmes work properly. I think it would fit better in some of the tight radius turns my mates seem to like to ride.
Got both the Rail 7 and 9.7. Last year. The 7 suffers a bit from a slightly rattling Bosch engine. But no other / major issues so far. Had both the fork and damper on the 9.7 upgraded to the 9.8 level. Really great allround bikes.
@@bestdayevermtb2 that’s what I also understood, it’s not that bad. 9.7 is rattle free up until now, the carbon also rides a bit more damped than the alloy.
Had a rail 7 for almost a year now, up in Rotorua. Love the bike and the only issues i have had is a recall/warranty on the front chain-ring which kept popping the chain off (swapped for an FSR) and stem headbearings that were not greased at factory- replaced on warranty. Apart from that, this bike has been awesome. (change the tyres, i personally don't like the stock ones)
Yes, they seem to have been pretty good with warranty issues. I always think that is important when choosing a bike as the reality is they all have problems.
Great video Lance and a very nice bike. I never had a issue with my Trek Rail 5 apart from the 500 watts battery. Pain in the bum the battery goes down way too quickly. Apart from that I did like the bike. I might go and check out the place you hired your one from. I’m hanging out to see how my back goes because sadly decided to sell it have not been able to ride for 7 months. And been off work for 18 months on ACC. So looking forward to seeing you on the next episode take care mate
🎉😅 if they were a cheaper yes ... Trek Rail would be one of the best ! Everybody will agree with me that they are overpriced ...😅 I got an upgraded Raíl 5 ⚄ nx drive train kiox display and everything for sale 6,500 like new
After owning a few ebikes and now on a 22 rail 9 I can honestly say the rail is the best bike I've owned so far, love the 29 wheels, geometry and best of all the Bosche motor, it's been bulletproof. Only thing that lets it down are the Bontrager tyres, I swapped them out for a set of Conti's.
Just got my gen 4 rail 9.8. What a beast of a bike. I also have slash 9.8 xt 2022 model. Different bikes, but the bosch pedal assist is nuts. I have never had so much fun climbing as i did now. Only minus is the weight as it makes the bike less poppy than slash. But its incredibly fun to ride, just shredding trough everything.
Had rail 7 for over 3 years now got it just before lockdown was lucky! I’ve been mountain biking over 20 years ,had everything from a V10 Santa Cruz to 10kg Scott Xc bike ! Upgrade the tyres immediately! I blew both within a week also recommend upgrading bars and stem for something lighter! Stock weigh over 600g and look awful, but ye awesome bike best handling bike I’ve owned ever, although my new orbea rise is probably just as capable and is lighter.
@@bestdayevermtb2 both amazing bikes! The rise is more agile feels almost like a regular bike to handle and is powerful enough for me but I do like having the extra power and travel on tap of the rail ,would definitely recommend either 👌
I have a Rail 5 heavily modified almost nothing stock. But when I was using stock wheels really had no problems. The only thing I don’t like about my rail is the lack of shocks available for it. Also had a code pop up but got it fixed for 30 dollars. Overall very happy with it. 👍great video 😀
Glad you liked the video. I am sure many people have had little issues with their Trek given the large number of them. My friends all case jumps rather than clearing them so may explain all the broken spokes.😂
@@d28k83 Rock shox Zeb select + , spank vibrocore rims with industry 9 hubs , spank vibrocore handlebars, just got but haven’t put on yet DVO topaz gen 3 shock. Selle SMP trk seat, Magura brakes.
I have a 2020 rail 7 I watched your review of that same bike a few years ago. 3 years old now and I am getting ready to upgrade some things, suspension is first, tires were an immediate upgrade But I see no need to get a new bike anytime soon, just make mine new again. Love my rail 53 and grey from Oregon
Thank you so much. It is nice when people say my riding is good but what really makes me happy is when people like the camera work. It has taken me years to improve it. Watch old videos they were truly terrible.
On my radar for the next ebike. Will be a 9.8, 9.9 build with 750 wh smart system. I have two mates that own treks and both have buckled the bonty wheels. Not that great. The support from the LBS was good though. Also alot of loose bolts and bearing bolts, so watch out for that.
don't have an eeb yet, but at 56 years old, I'm definitely heading quickly there! My current faves/contenders are the Orbea Rise and/or the new Trek alloy version of the EXe. Such a good time to get into ebikes nowadays.
Good idea, then you can get weaker and lose muscle mass quicker. Might as well just start now. Frankly, I'm not sure how you're even riding a real bike at age 56.
I've had my Rail 7 for a couple of years now and it has been a great eMTB. I"ve no issues with the bike per se, rather with the new generation ergonomic setups/frame dimensions. The issues I do have are related to bike setup vs my height (6'3"/250lbs). However, being tall (especially in the legs), I've been struggling to get a good fit (really on any bike). By the time I got the seat height vs pedal setup right, I'm so far up above the handle bars that all my weight is resting on my hands, which becomes very very uncomfortable pretty quickly, particularly in rough terrain. I've been trying out different handlebar sweep/rise setups, compromising a bit on the seat height, and I feel like I'm getting fairly close to getting it dialed in. I'm considering another handle bar replacement with a bit more rise to get the geometry and ergonomics closer to what it would be for the 'target' 80% of the population physiology. I found the L frame to be more comfortable overall than an XL, having ridden a bike with XL frame and found the new geometries with the extended reach dimension just unworkable.
I am very lucky being 5 foot 10 that most bikes fit ok for me. Have just bought a bike for my 5 foot wife. That was a challenge as even an xtra small is technically too big.
Had a Rail 9 alloy, for 2 years and it’s the best bike I’ve ever had, (36 years on mtbs)). The Bontrager wheels are nonsense on a big bike like this. I practically swapped out most parts. One thing to remember is to get a knoclbloc adapter if you switch out stems etc so the warranty is still good. Class bit of kit.
@@bestdayevermtb2 That wouldn’t be difficult there ha, ha. I went down that on a Kona Coilair Supreme and it was like being on a bucking bronco. And I’m originally from there.
Turbo Levo vs Rail in my limited experience , the Levo seemed much smoother and quiet. The rail seemed more punchy and rattled quiet a bit. Both put a smile on my face.
Reckon you'll convert to the PINION version when it lands?...me thinks alot of Ebikers might be regretting dipping in too soon if such good tech is inbound.
I was waiting for that. Probably the latest Turbo Levo, the Santa Cruz Bulit and the Pivot shuttle LT. The Best bike is of course my KTM Prowler but a lot cheaper.
How did you find the stopping power on the brakes? As a pretty big rider (bit north of 100kg riding a large frame from most manufacturers) that's a key factor for me
No issues with the brakes at all. To be honest I find most new brakes pretty good. They can develop problems over time but most brakes are pretty good these days.
Great video. Im currently trying to decide bewteen a 23 levo comp alloy & a gen2 rail 9. Both are on sale but the Rail has better spec for less money but levo seams to win everything going + has way better intergration of the electrics. Any advice? Thanks
Personally, if I had to choose between a Levo and a Rail I would choose the Levo. I think the Trek as you say gives you more bang for your buck. I did do a review on a Levo Expert a while back and really loved that bike. I know the Brose motor had a lot of issues a few years back. I went through 2 motors in 18 months, but I think that has been resolved now. Best of luck with your decision but both bikes would be good.
Purion? I'm surprised - is this the generation before Smart System? I wish they would upgrade the Intuvia display. It had such a clean display that color wasnt needed.
I've had a 9.8 XT since 2021. It's handled everything I've thrown at it, though I did go through a motor under warranty. Until a few months back, I had no complaints and was full of praise for the bike. Then I got a ride on a friends Santa Cruz Bullit, which was like a faster, silent, magic carpet. Sure, the Trek was a bit lighter feeling, bit more poppy, but the Bullit was just FAST and stayed on line over rooty off-cambers with minimal effort. Meanwhile, the Trek would rattle around a bit and required more effort to stay going where I wanted. Some of it might have been the tyres, the Trek was on the Bontrager SE 5s (a bit pogo stick by comparison), while the Bullit was on DH casing Assegais, but it was a dry day. I think the Rail is a fantastic Trail bike, that'll handle some Enduro/Downhill trails but you're not going to set any PB's if it gets rough.
I mentioned in the video that the Trek Rail was not in my list of favourite e bikes reviewed. The Bullit however would make that list. I had a lot of fun on that bike.
Nice review! I had a doubt between the Rail and the Fuel. Going 100% for the Rail. I'm 174cm and have a innerleg size of 84cm. Would you recommed a M or L size? Thx
Tricky as you like me are at the cross over point. According to your height you should be a medium but your inseam you should be a large. Either would work but ideally test both if possible. It really comes down to personal preference. For me I would take the large but I am slightly taller.
@@bestdayevermtb2 Have had the opportunity to ride both size M and L yesterday. Size M clearly gives more feedback and control. So it will be an M for me.
Just bought a 2022 w Zeb fork, going to b interesting seeing how it goes w my more aggressive riding(bin lightly used) noting t issues w spokes + tires + loose bits! we’ll see…..
Ive got a rail 9 gen 3 and the seat post was terrible I also have problems with the pedals hitting the ground I think the rear shock is actually to small for the job and the pedals are low to the ground could be just how I ride but you cant pedal around mild corners without the pedals hitting the ground
It is hard to remember every bike I ride, but I don't remember pedal strike on the one I rode. It certainly has been an issue on a lot of bikes for me. It could be the shock is too soft making the bottom bracket too low. I have several friends who have mulletted their bikes and still don't have an issue. Hope you can sort it.
Have had my rail 7 gen 2 for 15 months and have had zero problems nothing broken or stopped working , to me it doesn't ride like a 24 kg bike no smart system maybe simple can be better sometimes, best thing i did was put dhr2 and dhf maxxis on it
I wish I had your luck. I have never owned a bike yet that I haven't broken something on it. I just accept that as part of riding bikes. Just fixed my current bike with a broken pivot bolt. Maybe my riding needs to improve.
My rail 9 sits in the shed these days, gen 3 levo is just better in every aspect. I loved my time on the rail but it feels like a rental bike now. Bolts always come loose on the hardware, and kiosk errors every time you hit big jumps. Hate the knock block and the kiosk falls of if you don't put a grub screw in it. Good luck fitting a water bottle in there too lol
I am sure there are thousands of Rail owners who have never had any issues. All brands have faults, but Treks are more well known due to the popularity of the bike. Talking of faults though. I know three people who have had new motors after the motor mounting bolts broke. The good news is all three got new motors despite being out of warranty. Next time you get the bike serviced ask the bike shop to check these bolts.
@@bestdayevermtb2 out of the 10 rails that I ride with none have had any motor issues touch wood. Definitely loose motor mounts though, they're spline drive not star but cheap enough to buy the one size you need to re tourqe. The bontrager wheels are made of cheese and the spokes snap every ride. Still a great bike though, probably the best "do it all" on the market
@@bestdayevermtb2 I'm sure they took the bait too.This vid shows what a lower spec bike is capable of.If you can afford it then a high spec bike would be great.I'm sure all of us are guilty of staring at our bikes or someone elses with admiration more than once.They are like a piece of art.I think even a few of us would chose our bike over our least favourite child 😆
IMO the Trek rail is kinda like a toyota, super common, super reliable and sets the standard for an ebike, bikes like the Levo/reign etc remind me of a ford/GM product, close & maybe better performance but theres always something to keep in your mind with them.
For all the marketing blurb have ebikes really got that much better in the last 5 years? They are all built around the same few motor/battery combos and the frames are much as a muchness. I'm not anti ebikes I love mine, I have a top end ebike and the same entry level none MTB bike of the same bike. wireless shifters vs £25 derailleur with a cable zero difference, even the 4 pot brakes vs the entry level there's very little difference. The Ebike like all Ebikes are a dream on the trails with the heavier unsprung mass and they just absorb the terrain way way better than any other none ebike.
Generally speaking the higher the number the better. It depends how high end the components you want are. If you simply want to ride around gravel cycle paths then a 5 is all you need. If you want to jump and ride tech and want higher performance then go for a 9. Even a Levo comes in a range of spec and frame options.
Bike o frame? Trek wheels with 28 spokes are not for enduro riding you need 32 spokes. The fork you get fron a trek rail 7 is wortlees a zeb or a fox 38 or ohlins 38. Etc etc etc. but the actual frame is as good as it gets. Playfull fast agile fun easy to ride what else can you ask from an ebike reliable too
I have reviewed lots of bikes now and it is often difficult to compare one bike to another. Some I get to review are very high spec and some low spec. The bikes with high end suspension and brakes are always going to feel better. The Rail is a great bike and lots of fun. Not sure I would classify as highly reliable. Again, hard to compare as I know so many people with Rails I therefore have heard about lots of issues with the bike. Saying that most bikes have some issues.
Had a 22 Rail 9.9 XTR for a short time. Solid bike, but I found it uninspiring. It wanted to be an Enduro bike but doesn't have the rear travel. Too much of a plow to be a good trail bike. Very noisy clatter from the Bosch motor. I have a '23 Levo now and it's the best bike I've owned. YMMV.
I bet the new Wild coming will shred the Rail. I have owned the older alloy Wild FS and the newer Rail. I preferred the Wild to be honest, it's a lot shorter and more nimble feeling. The suspension on the Wild is amazing and is a great bike for max speed runs. Doesn't like to get off the ground and is the opposite of poppy, soaks everything up. I bet the new Wild will be amazing, but for my trails the Levo is better suited. The Wild would come into it's own somewhere gnarlier.
I don't have a trek rail...instead a Focus sam² 6.9 i think one of your crew has one...never had issue with it ever...already had a trek remedy steambike before so wanted to try something different from trek...don't like bogenger rims...they crap.
I test bikes that are available to me. I would love to be able to review anything I want but don't have that option. As the channel has grown more bikes are being offered to me and hopefully that will get even better in the future.
Haha, another rail 9 owner, brilliant spec vs cost, yes the rear wheels are a bit rubbish but come on. Ive got 2600k on a stock 9 with zero other issues, which cost less than half of an equivalent levo at the time. A wheel set is what 1500 for a top spec alloy rim set?, you're still way better off if you are going to ride hard and put it away wet😂
The reality is we know about Trek Rail faults but that is because so many people have that bike. The reality is all brands have issues. I had a Levo for a while and had to have two motors replaced.
Not even close to the greatest EMTB, try again look at Optibike R22 Everest (3260Wh Removable Dual Battery, 1700 Watts Continuous Power, 2500 Peak) Compare the TREK RAIL to Frey Voyager EX - BEAST (Custom 60V 24.5ah, Bafang M620, 1800W)
The thing regarding what is best is a matter of opinion. My opinion is the Trek Rail is not the best bike. I checked out the Optibike R22 and would have no interest in owning one of them. I can see some people might think that is good, but I wouldn't be one of them.
It's hard to beat Canyon's prices. I have a Canyon Pathlite:On for that very reason. If the Canyon Spectral:On used the Bosch Smart system, it'd be my eMTB. I'm sold on the Bosch in my Pathlite, and I want to stick with it for my eMTB.
Hab mir ein Trek Rail 9.5 zugelegt, hab noch nie so ein Schrott gesehen. Das Fahrrad ist nach 4000 km auseinander gefallen. Bis auf den Motor war alles am Fahrrad kaputt. Der Kundenservice ist das Allerletzte. Nie nie nie mehr ein Trek Fahrrad !!!!
Sounds like you got a lemon and worse a lemon with poor support. Many people have had no issues with their Rail but many of my friends have had lots of issues like you. Hope you get it sorted.
😂🎉😅 if they were a cheaper yes ... Trek Rail would be one of the best ! Everybody will agree with me that they are overpriced ...😅 I got an upgraded Raíl 5 ⚄ nx drive train kiox display and everything for sale 6,500 like new..
Most people agree that e bikes are overpriced if you compare them to motor bikes and the like. But in terms of value for money, the Rail beats most of its competitors. Certainly in NZ anyway. That is why they are so popular here.
I own a Trek Rail 5 now for a year and I love it. I have tried a lot of other e-MTB's but compared to my hardtail Trek Superfly MTB this one is a real toy to ride
Fast forward a year later to July 2024. Over here in the USA at a Trek dealer near the city of Pittsburgh a brand new Trek Rail 7 Gen 2 can be had for $3800.00 USD. Original MSRP on it was $6649.99 USD. Bike is exact same as the one featured in your video. It should be coming in within one week from Trek warehouse to my local dealer. Wow, it definitely is a buyers market now. No matter what minor issues it may have, that is a whole lot of bang for the buck.
You are not wrong. You would almost be wreckless not to buy one.
Man what a gem of a channel to find, you are awesome
Thanks, I really appreciate that.😀
I just bought a 9.7, got a hell of a good deal on it, and absolutely LOVE It. Great bike, and the guys at my local Trek are super helpful and nice.
Certainly some good deals to be had at the moment. Enjoy the bike.
Me and a mate own Trek Rail 9. Top spec alloy version. Comes with a Zeb and really good component spec. In our view its one of the best value for money offerings out there, good performance, great reliability. The Bosch system is arguably the best system going, the emtb mode and power overrun and features i couldn't do without now. Ive done nearly 4000km on mine in 2.5yrs and had zero reliability issues. For the km im doing... i actually think my service intervals are lower than my steam bike was. Full phat ebike is where its at. Don't go trying to save a few kg. Reliability and performance all the way! 😊
I am a fan of the Bosch motor and like you like my full phat bike.
Been riding a rail 9 since it first came out. It’s a great do everything bike. And agree about the Bosch, I ride mostly in the E setting and just let it do its thing. I have never ran out of battery. I have made two mods, a shorter stem (nock block compatible) and carbon fat boy bars. Ah anda bungee around the battery tube. Oh, and I have only broken one spoke. Assegai tyre on the front and minion on the rear. I have screwed in the controller, matching a screw for it from Bunnings.
I am thinking about mulleting it. But would want the electronics to be updated so the motor doesn’t cut out too soon and all the electric programmes work properly. I think it would fit better in some of the tight radius turns my mates seem to like to ride.
You do get good bang for your buck with the Trek Rail. Nice review Lance.
You don't even need an e bike being an international xc racer😁
@@bestdayevermtb2 Ha ha, still looking for my perfect ebike.
Got both the Rail 7 and 9.7. Last year. The 7 suffers a bit from a slightly rattling Bosch engine. But no other / major issues so far. Had both the fork and damper on the 9.7 upgraded to the 9.8 level. Really great allround bikes.
The Bosch motors often have that classic rattle.
@@bestdayevermtb2 that’s what I also understood, it’s not that bad. 9.7 is rattle free up until now, the carbon also rides a bit more damped than the alloy.
Had a rail 7 for almost a year now, up in Rotorua. Love the bike and the only issues i have had is a recall/warranty on the front chain-ring which kept popping the chain off (swapped for an FSR) and stem headbearings that were not greased at factory- replaced on warranty. Apart from that, this bike has been awesome. (change the tyres, i personally don't like the stock ones)
Your comment about the tyres is a very common one. Most people change them out immediately. Might see you out on the trails in Rotorua.
Good sharing, Lance!
Love my Rail , have had problem with rear hub but Trek replaced and upgraded with no drama .
Trek are really good for warranty that is worth a mention
Yes, they seem to have been pretty good with warranty issues. I always think that is important when choosing a bike as the reality is they all have problems.
Great video Lance and a very nice bike. I never had a issue with my Trek Rail 5 apart from the 500 watts battery. Pain in the bum the battery goes down way too quickly. Apart from that I did like the bike. I might go and check out the place you hired your one from. I’m hanging out to see how my back goes because sadly decided to sell it have not been able to ride for 7 months. And been off work for 18 months on ACC. So looking forward to seeing you on the next episode take care mate
They have a range of models to hire so worth trying a few rides to see how the back copes before buying another bike. You will get there.🙂
🎉😅 if they were a cheaper yes ... Trek Rail would be one of the best ! Everybody will agree with me that they are overpriced ...😅 I got an upgraded Raíl 5 ⚄ nx drive train kiox display and everything for sale 6,500 like new
After owning a few ebikes and now on a 22 rail 9 I can honestly say the rail is the best bike I've owned so far, love the 29 wheels, geometry and best of all the Bosche motor, it's been bulletproof. Only thing that lets it down are the Bontrager tyres, I swapped them out for a set of Conti's.
Good man. Conti's are a much better choice.🙂
I did same. Argotal front and kryptotal rear w/ enduro casing!
Just got my gen 4 rail 9.8. What a beast of a bike. I also have slash 9.8 xt 2022 model. Different bikes, but the bosch pedal assist is nuts. I have never had so much fun climbing as i did now.
Only minus is the weight as it makes the bike less poppy than slash. But its incredibly fun to ride, just shredding trough everything.
Yes, who would have thought we would ever say we find climbing fun.
Had rail 7 for over 3 years now got it just before lockdown was lucky! I’ve been mountain biking over 20 years ,had everything from a V10 Santa Cruz to 10kg Scott Xc bike ! Upgrade the tyres immediately! I blew both within a week also recommend upgrading bars and stem for something lighter! Stock weigh over 600g and look awful, but ye awesome bike best handling bike I’ve owned ever, although my new orbea rise is probably just as capable and is lighter.
How do you find the Orbea Rise after being on the full fat bike for the last three years?
@@bestdayevermtb2 both amazing bikes! The rise is more agile feels almost like a regular bike to handle and is powerful enough for me but I do like having the extra power and travel on tap of the rail ,would definitely recommend either 👌
The Rail 9.8 is the best Bike around. I am trying the 9.9 this year if it ever gets delivered!
I got a 2021 rial 7,2500kms and no problems at all. great bike.
I am super impressed or is that one too many zeros? I don't do that much milage in my car.😂
I have a Rail 5 heavily modified almost nothing stock. But when I was using stock wheels really had no problems. The only thing I don’t like about my rail is the lack of shocks available for it. Also had a code pop up but got it fixed for 30 dollars. Overall very happy with it. 👍great video 😀
Glad you liked the video. I am sure many people have had little issues with their Trek given the large number of them. My friends all case jumps rather than clearing them so may explain all the broken spokes.😂
What upgrades did you add?
@@d28k83 Rock shox Zeb select + , spank vibrocore rims with industry 9 hubs , spank vibrocore handlebars, just got but haven’t put on yet DVO topaz gen 3 shock. Selle SMP trk seat, Magura brakes.
I have a 2020 rail 7
I watched your review of that same bike a few years ago. 3 years old now and I am getting ready to upgrade some things, suspension is first, tires were an immediate upgrade
But I see no need to get a new bike anytime soon, just make mine new again.
Love my rail
53 and grey from Oregon
Glad you are still putting up with my videos. Don't worry being mid 50s grey and riding and E bike is really cool these days.😂
Your camera footage is literally unreal. It’s like you’re in some computer generated movie set. Lol. It’s awesome
Thank you so much. It is nice when people say my riding is good but what really makes me happy is when people like the camera work. It has taken me years to improve it. Watch old videos they were truly terrible.
On my radar for the next ebike. Will be a 9.8, 9.9 build with 750 wh smart system. I have two mates that own treks and both have buckled the bonty wheels. Not that great. The support from the LBS was good though. Also alot of loose bolts and bearing bolts, so watch out for that.
If I was to buy one, I would go with the 750Wh and the higher spec also.
Rode Rotorua yesterday on acoustic bike was a lot of trek rail e-bikes for sure
They are amazingly common. I would never say never but personally I like something that everyone is not riding.
don't have an eeb yet, but at 56 years old, I'm definitely heading quickly there! My current faves/contenders are the Orbea Rise and/or the new Trek alloy version of the EXe. Such a good time to get into ebikes nowadays.
Just do it. You will love it. Planning on reviewing the EXe soon.
@@bestdayevermtb2 Have you got one lined up to test? I am loving mine. It's so quiet, particularly downhill.... not a single rattle or clunk.
@@bshallard yes I have one lined up.
Good idea, then you can get weaker and lose muscle mass quicker. Might as well just start now. Frankly, I'm not sure how you're even riding a real bike at age 56.
I've had my Rail 7 for a couple of years now and it has been a great eMTB. I"ve no issues with the bike per se, rather with the new generation ergonomic setups/frame dimensions. The issues I do have are related to bike setup vs my height (6'3"/250lbs). However, being tall (especially in the legs), I've been struggling to get a good fit (really on any bike). By the time I got the seat height vs pedal setup right, I'm so far up above the handle bars that all my weight is resting on my hands, which becomes very very uncomfortable pretty quickly, particularly in rough terrain. I've been trying out different handlebar sweep/rise setups, compromising a bit on the seat height, and I feel like I'm getting fairly close to getting it dialed in. I'm considering another handle bar replacement with a bit more rise to get the geometry and ergonomics closer to what it would be for the 'target' 80% of the population physiology. I found the L frame to be more comfortable overall than an XL, having ridden a bike with XL frame and found the new geometries with the extended reach dimension just unworkable.
I am very lucky being 5 foot 10 that most bikes fit ok for me. Have just bought a bike for my 5 foot wife. That was a challenge as even an xtra small is technically too big.
Had a Rail 9 alloy, for 2 years and it’s the best bike I’ve ever had, (36 years on mtbs)). The Bontrager wheels are nonsense on a big bike like this. I practically swapped out most parts. One thing to remember is to get a knoclbloc adapter if you switch out stems etc so the warranty is still good. Class bit of kit.
Yes, not a big fan of Bontrager wheels or tires. I destroyed a wheel at Fort William once on a Trek slash.
@@bestdayevermtb2 That wouldn’t be difficult there ha, ha. I went down that on a Kona Coilair Supreme and it was like being on a bucking bronco. And I’m originally from there.
Nice review. Same model as mine, really enjoy riding it! How did you find the Domain fork?
I actually was pleasantly surprised. It was not bad.
Turbo Levo vs Rail in my limited experience , the Levo seemed much smoother and quiet. The rail seemed more punchy and rattled quiet a bit. Both put a smile on my face.
I agree the Levo is quieter downhill. I did do a climbing challenge a few years back with the Rail and Levo and they both performed very similar.
So does a KTM EXC300! Both are motorcycles.
@@bestdayevermtb2 Of course, they're both motorcycles.
You're confused, these are pedal assistance machines.@@twosencefromcleveland6084
Reckon you'll convert to the PINION version when it lands?...me thinks alot of Ebikers might be regretting dipping in too soon if such good tech is inbound.
That would be my dream bike.
So Lance, what are the three best EMB’s you have ridden, the $20k+ models you mentioned? Cheers
I was waiting for that. Probably the latest Turbo Levo, the Santa Cruz Bulit and the Pivot shuttle LT. The Best bike is of course my KTM Prowler but a lot cheaper.
How did you find the stopping power on the brakes? As a pretty big rider (bit north of 100kg riding a large frame from most manufacturers) that's a key factor for me
No issues with the brakes at all. To be honest I find most new brakes pretty good. They can develop problems over time but most brakes are pretty good these days.
Great video. Im currently trying to decide bewteen a 23 levo comp alloy & a gen2 rail 9. Both are on sale but the Rail has better spec for less money but levo seams to win everything going + has way better intergration of the electrics. Any advice? Thanks
Personally, if I had to choose between a Levo and a Rail I would choose the Levo. I think the Trek as you say gives you more bang for your buck. I did do a review on a Levo Expert a while back and really loved that bike. I know the Brose motor had a lot of issues a few years back. I went through 2 motors in 18 months, but I think that has been resolved now. Best of luck with your decision but both bikes would be good.
@@bestdayevermtb2 appreciate the reply. Thanks
Purion? I'm surprised - is this the generation before Smart System? I wish they would upgrade the Intuvia display. It had such a clean display that color wasnt needed.
Yes, this is the older model. I agree that Bosch displays and controls are not the best looking.
I've had a 9.8 XT since 2021. It's handled everything I've thrown at it, though I did go through a motor under warranty.
Until a few months back, I had no complaints and was full of praise for the bike. Then I got a ride on a friends Santa Cruz Bullit, which was like a faster, silent, magic carpet. Sure, the Trek was a bit lighter feeling, bit more poppy, but the Bullit was just FAST and stayed on line over rooty off-cambers with minimal effort. Meanwhile, the Trek would rattle around a bit and required more effort to stay going where I wanted. Some of it might have been the tyres, the Trek was on the Bontrager SE 5s (a bit pogo stick by comparison), while the Bullit was on DH casing Assegais, but it was a dry day.
I think the Rail is a fantastic Trail bike, that'll handle some Enduro/Downhill trails but you're not going to set any PB's if it gets rough.
I mentioned in the video that the Trek Rail was not in my list of favourite e bikes reviewed. The Bullit however would make that list. I had a lot of fun on that bike.
Nice review! I had a doubt between the Rail and the Fuel.
Going 100% for the Rail.
I'm 174cm and have a innerleg size of 84cm. Would you recommed a M or L size?
Thx
Tricky as you like me are at the cross over point. According to your height you should be a medium but your inseam you should be a large. Either would work but ideally test both if possible. It really comes down to personal preference. For me I would take the large but I am slightly taller.
@@bestdayevermtb2 Have had the opportunity to ride both size M and L yesterday.
Size M clearly gives more feedback and control.
So it will be an M for me.
Just bought a 2022 w Zeb fork, going to b interesting seeing how it goes w my more aggressive riding(bin lightly used) noting t issues w spokes + tires + loose bits! we’ll see…..
I am sure you will have a lot of fun with it.
First ebike I rode was a Rail, it was good but then I got a Levo. There is a reason the Levo is king :)
I do like the Levo. Have had one and reviewed the latest model.
in your opinion the rail 7 vs the levo comp alloy ?
both don’t have great spec but roughly the same price right now …which would you buy ?
Always a personal decision but I would probably go with the Levo.
Ive got a rail 9 gen 3 and the seat post was terrible I also have problems with the pedals hitting the ground I think the rear shock is actually to small for the job and the pedals are low to the ground could be just how I ride but you cant pedal around mild corners without the pedals hitting the ground
It is hard to remember every bike I ride, but I don't remember pedal strike on the one I rode. It certainly has been an issue on a lot of bikes for me. It could be the shock is too soft making the bottom bracket too low. I have several friends who have mulletted their bikes and still don't have an issue. Hope you can sort it.
Cant quite get my head around that big trapdoor in the side of the frame for the battery
I agree with you on that one. Especially when it falls out.😳
Have had my rail 7 gen 2 for 15 months and have had zero problems nothing broken or stopped working , to me it doesn't ride like a 24 kg bike no smart system maybe simple can be better sometimes, best thing i did was put dhr2 and dhf maxxis on it
I wish I had your luck. I have never owned a bike yet that I haven't broken something on it. I just accept that as part of riding bikes. Just fixed my current bike with a broken pivot bolt. Maybe my riding needs to improve.
@@bestdayevermtb2 I think it's because I ride mainly grade 3 trails and don't really (can't 🤣)do big jumps
My rail7 has made me better than everyone in the world.
Especially the onces riding bicycles
The spoke thing is real, two spokes have popped in the last two months, ive just covered 2500 miles and 2 1/2 years.
It is a very common problem. Luckily not too hard to fix.
My rail 9 sits in the shed these days, gen 3 levo is just better in every aspect. I loved my time on the rail but it feels like a rental bike now. Bolts always come loose on the hardware, and kiosk errors every time you hit big jumps. Hate the knock block and the kiosk falls of if you don't put a grub screw in it. Good luck fitting a water bottle in there too lol
I really did enjoy the gen 3 Levo. Fun bike to ride and I did like the display and controls.
I’ve had the 9.7 rail for two years and 3,000 miles and I’ve literally never had any of those things happen. 🤷🏻♂️
@@edhcb9359 how hard do you ride it though? I only ride in turbo and either bike park jumps or steep black tech
I am sure there are thousands of Rail owners who have never had any issues. All brands have faults, but Treks are more well known due to the popularity of the bike. Talking of faults though. I know three people who have had new motors after the motor mounting bolts broke. The good news is all three got new motors despite being out of warranty. Next time you get the bike serviced ask the bike shop to check these bolts.
@@bestdayevermtb2 out of the 10 rails that I ride with none have had any motor issues touch wood. Definitely loose motor mounts though, they're spline drive not star but cheap enough to buy the one size you need to re tourqe. The bontrager wheels are made of cheese and the spokes snap every ride. Still a great bike though, probably the best "do it all" on the market
The discussion should be is the Trek Rail 7 the best value for money.
I think you are correct, but I do love winding up my Rail loving friends.🙂
@@bestdayevermtb2 I'm sure they took the bait too.This vid shows what a lower spec bike is capable of.If you can afford it then a high spec bike would be great.I'm sure all of us are guilty of staring at our bikes or someone elses with admiration more than once.They are like a piece of art.I think even a few of us would chose our bike over our least favourite child 😆
what is the light in your night ride clip @ 13.05?
I think I was testing the Magicshine monteer 12000. Very powerful light.
Did I see some steez on those last 4 jumps at 11:30? I think I did, I’m sure I did.
You must have been mistaken.😀
Giant has same specs for less and not a rattle so I did not get one, but it was my second choice
Giant is another good choice but for some reason we don't see huge numbers of them in Auckland. Have ridden a few and enjoyed the ride.
Lance, what lights are you using?
I use magic shine lights.
Thanks Lance! Also big fan of your channel.
IMO the Trek rail is kinda like a toyota, super common, super reliable and sets the standard for an ebike, bikes like the Levo/reign etc remind me of a ford/GM product, close & maybe better performance but theres always something to keep in your mind with them.
I like you analogy with the cars. Was trying to do the same thing.
Rail or the Bullit ? Which one would you choose?
Tricky. The Bullit with the Bosch motor would be the best choice. I know a guy selling his Bullit to by a rail just to get the Bosch motor.
@@bestdayevermtb2 Thank you !
For all the marketing blurb have ebikes really got that much better in the last 5 years? They are all built around the same few motor/battery combos and the frames are much as a muchness. I'm not anti ebikes I love mine, I have a top end ebike and the same entry level none MTB bike of the same bike. wireless shifters vs £25 derailleur with a cable zero difference, even the 4 pot brakes vs the entry level there's very little difference.
The Ebike like all Ebikes are a dream on the trails with the heavier unsprung mass and they just absorb the terrain way way better than any other none ebike.
I think e bikes are evolving but it is not as fast as some people assumed. Excited about pinion gear box motor though.
Which rail ? The 5, 7, 8 , 9 , or any of the .5, .7, .o, .9.9 ???. So many iterations, I know someone who gave up and bought a Levo !
Generally speaking the higher the number the better. It depends how high end the components you want are. If you simply want to ride around gravel cycle paths then a 5 is all you need. If you want to jump and ride tech and want higher performance then go for a 9. Even a Levo comes in a range of spec and frame options.
Your right, there is allot of those out there 😂
Bike o frame? Trek wheels with 28 spokes are not for enduro riding you need 32 spokes.
The fork you get fron a trek rail 7 is wortlees a zeb or a fox 38 or ohlins 38. Etc etc etc. but the actual frame is as good as it gets. Playfull fast agile fun easy to ride what else can you ask from an ebike reliable too
I have reviewed lots of bikes now and it is often difficult to compare one bike to another. Some I get to review are very high spec and some low spec. The bikes with high end suspension and brakes are always going to feel better. The Rail is a great bike and lots of fun. Not sure I would classify as highly reliable. Again, hard to compare as I know so many people with Rails I therefore have heard about lots of issues with the bike. Saying that most bikes have some issues.
Had a 22 Rail 9.9 XTR for a short time. Solid bike, but I found it uninspiring. It wanted to be an Enduro bike but doesn't have the rear travel. Too much of a plow to be a good trail bike. Very noisy clatter from the Bosch motor.
I have a '23 Levo now and it's the best bike I've owned. YMMV.
The new Levo is definitely quieter to ride and a fun bike.
What bike park is it at 10:55 ?
Woodhill Bike park in Auckland.
Love my rail 7, not the best bike ever…. But a great bike for the money.
Same conclusion as me.😁
Ooooooof!!! Can't be having my butt pounded by that seat!
This vs Orbea wild?
Been awhile since I have reviewed a orbea wild but definitely a nice bike.
I bet the new Wild coming will shred the Rail. I have owned the older alloy Wild FS and the newer Rail. I preferred the Wild to be honest, it's a lot shorter and more nimble feeling. The suspension on the Wild is amazing and is a great bike for max speed runs. Doesn't like to get off the ground and is the opposite of poppy, soaks everything up. I bet the new Wild will be amazing, but for my trails the Levo is better suited. The Wild would come into it's own somewhere gnarlier.
My 2020 9.7 will climb ANYTHING
Trek rail is the best Ebike ever made 😂 yep we have one ☝️
go the rail 7 ! maybe not the best e bike ever, but probably the best value....(trek did not pay me to say that ,) not yet anyway.....
I think that is why they have been so popular. The guys were all Santa cruz fans but couldn't afford them so went Trek instead.
@@bestdayevermtb2 yes, i think most of us would agree that E bikes are way over priced, and probably mountain bikes generally......
Best bike available
I don't have a trek rail...instead a Focus sam² 6.9 i think one of your crew has one...never had issue with it ever...already had a trek remedy steambike before so wanted to try something different from trek...don't like bogenger rims...they crap.
Nobody ever has anything nice to say about the wheels. Yes, Shaun has a Focus. He loves it.
@bestdayevermtb2 it's like a German tank lol.
@bestdayevermtb2 best wheels I had was those industry nine wheels with pull thru spokes orange... no broke da spokes on those rims.
Why not test a rail 9 or 9.8 the specs are much much better.
I test bikes that are available to me. I would love to be able to review anything I want but don't have that option. As the channel has grown more bikes are being offered to me and hopefully that will get even better in the future.
Haha, another rail 9 owner, brilliant spec vs cost, yes the rear wheels are a bit rubbish but come on. Ive got 2600k on a stock 9 with zero other issues, which cost less than half of an equivalent levo at the time. A wheel set is what 1500 for a top spec alloy rim set?, you're still way better off if you are going to ride hard and put it away wet😂
The reality is we know about Trek Rail faults but that is because so many people have that bike. The reality is all brands have issues. I had a Levo for a while and had to have two motors replaced.
Not even close to the greatest EMTB, try again look at Optibike R22 Everest (3260Wh Removable Dual Battery, 1700 Watts Continuous Power, 2500 Peak)
Compare the TREK RAIL to Frey Voyager EX - BEAST (Custom 60V 24.5ah, Bafang M620, 1800W)
The thing regarding what is best is a matter of opinion. My opinion is the Trek Rail is not the best bike. I checked out the Optibike R22 and would have no interest in owning one of them. I can see some people might think that is good, but I wouldn't be one of them.
Short answer = no...
Canyon make the best e-mtb's 🤘
Not had a chance to review a Canyon yet but would be very keen to do so.
@@bestdayevermtb2 not sure they've released any in NZ 😭
Keen to see a Canyon Strive On in action if they come
It's hard to beat Canyon's prices. I have a Canyon Pathlite:On for that very reason. If the Canyon Spectral:On used the Bosch Smart system, it'd be my eMTB. I'm sold on the Bosch in my Pathlite, and I want to stick with it for my eMTB.
hell no!.. Best emtb ever Mondraker if you know you know.. Crafty / Level 🤫
Have ridden one a few years back but never had a chance to review one properly.
rail as in railgun, because it's electric... 🤔
Yeah so its a good bike BUT its not orange KTM is it. (LOL)
Well clearly the KTM is the best ever that goes without saying 😂
no
Hab mir ein Trek Rail 9.5 zugelegt, hab noch nie so ein Schrott gesehen. Das Fahrrad ist nach 4000 km auseinander gefallen. Bis auf den Motor war alles am Fahrrad kaputt. Der Kundenservice ist das Allerletzte. Nie nie nie mehr ein Trek Fahrrad !!!!
Sounds like you got a lemon and worse a lemon with poor support. Many people have had no issues with their Rail but many of my friends have had lots of issues like you. Hope you get it sorted.
😂🎉😅 if they were a cheaper yes ... Trek Rail would be one of the best ! Everybody will agree with me that they are overpriced ...😅 I got an upgraded Raíl 5 ⚄ nx drive train kiox display and everything for sale 6,500 like new..
Most people agree that e bikes are overpriced if you compare them to motor bikes and the like. But in terms of value for money, the Rail beats most of its competitors. Certainly in NZ anyway. That is why they are so popular here.
@@bestdayevermtb2 do you know who wants to buy my bike .. jajajajajaja
@eduardodinzey2714 sorry can't think of anyone. Harder to sell now.
MOTORCYCLES are the other magazines...
Troll
No
The correct answer is NO
Same conclusion as me then.😀
Aren't those bloody yank bikes?
NO SPECIALIZED IS
I own a Trek Rail 5 now for a year and I love it. I have tried a lot of other e-MTB's but compared to my hardtail Trek Superfly MTB this one is a real toy to ride
Me too what colore is yours ?
Do you have any big scratches😢
@@eduardodinzey2714 it is dark green and very scratched…