Always wondered why they added the awful character Elliott that Rue and Jules are made to fight each other over. The director probably just wanted to make the characters get "turned straight" by him. Just let the girls have their own relationship without throwing a man in there. Disgusting.
It’s really so funny and sad. I legit despise Sam Levinson, I think he’s a horrible writer, yet one thing I ALWAYS gave him credit for was the unique world and aesthetic he built for the show. But even THAT isn’t due to him.
I think Petra’s work on season 1 is brilliant, and it’s obvious that it wasn’t there when making season 2. Especially when the women are shown as truly toxic, violent, and dramatic. And don’t get me wrong, the relativity of the messiness of those characters is what makes the show special, but you can tell a man wrote all of those nasty fights and lengthy and sometimes violent sexual scenes.
THAT UNIQUE AESTHETIC IS STOLEN FROM PETRA WORK just look up any of petra photoshoots and you will see yourself y’all need to stop acting like he is a genius season 2 was shit he is a talentless nepo baby who is only good at stealing ideas from WOMEN and simultaneously exploiting their struggles at the same time he is disgusting.
Wait what?! The only redeeming quality of Sam Levinson was how aesthetically pleasing Euphoria is, and turns out it is not his work, he literally stole it from a woman. What exactly is his contribution then, sexualizing teenage girls on TV?!
This explains why season 1 of Euphoria was much better than season 2. And when The Idol came out I knew this man wasn't talented at all. He doesn't know how to tell a story without sexualizing people, especially girls.
I remember once when talking abt intelligence men v women, my dad said "Theres never been a female Mozart". I came to find out that there had been one, his freaking SISTER, and that she was a brilliant musician too. But since she was a woman, she was forced to stop playing & get married instead.
So, summarizing: the story was an adaptation and the aesthetics were stolen, so… what did Levinson ACTUALLY do, besides putting his name all over other people’s work?
Exactly, judging from The Idol, what is he actually capable of? Very little it seems, even the video essays that criticized the horrible writing of The Idol and Euphoria after season 1 acknowledged his supposed knack for aesthetics so now nothing is left that he deserves credit for.
He still did plenty. Wrote it for example. I think the adaptation isn't really like the Israeli version. Also check out his movie Assassination Nation. I just watched it because of a Vivian Stranger video. He should've fought to keep Petra though
He stole successfully, I'm not even joking, he put together a multitude of factors that he knew would work well, and managed to tie it all back to him. He should've been a producer but he wanted to be creatively regarded. He did all this because he can, his parents are wealthy and successful and he grew up knowing he could be whatever he wants to be, that's how it works in those circles. And he also had quite a lot of luck. Unfortunately that's the formula that works insanely well and a ton of "geniuses" did just that.
Can’t lie, the aesthetics & sound track of Euphoria was the only reason I stuck with it. And the fact that it was lockdown & I was desperate. If it was as grimy feeling as skins uk, it probably wouldn’t have been as popular- Skins only gets away with it cause the writing’s so good. Her work & the acting carried that whole show on its back imo.
I absolutely HATE when misogynists will say “men contribute more to society, science, politics, art, etc because women have less to offer” It take minimal critical thinking to realize that men only contributed more because women were seen as less and pushed down. If women are forbidden to read, write, learn, go out, then how were they expected to contribute? And then the women who did contribute had their works stolen. It’s so frustrating 💔
@@eugenekrabs3837 Coming from someone named Eugene, that should already be a dead giveaway. But allowed me to explain : first of all, not all women like you say we do because for example : women/people of color are still facing oppression and microagression every single day by our own families or co-workers, and majority of us with good minds are too poor to achieve our dreams due to strict families of color forcing us into "traditional" job fields like doctors or lawyers but when we DO achieve the same dreams like white people , specifically white men - these white men in the US industry would change our work and steal credit for all the hard work (hence, why so many women are becoming independent content creator as they should be because F Hollywood, lol!) . and that doesn't compare to what white women/white people goes through because they're already privileged to achieve their dreams and never have their work changed/stolen. But it still obvious white women will have their work stolen by cishet white men regardless because misogyny is still a thing.
Men take women place everytime they can. Look a Haunter Shaffer...he takes place where an actress could be. But everyone is on his side to avoid controversy. He and Sam Levinson are just the same.
@@cristalblackstar8177 jules was always meant to be a trans character tho? it makes sense to cast a trans woman for the role of trans girl, no? or do you want a cis woman to play a trans woman?
The field of STEM is absolutely rife with this. As a biology student you will learn again and again of monumental discoveries being stolen by the dudes that used the work of a woman. It’s almost comical how often it happened, just to an absurd degree
OMG!!! I remember learning about Rosalind Franklin who discovered DNA and Vera Rubin who proved Dark Matter exists. And they never got Nobel Prizes but men took the credit and got the prizes for THEIR findings! Absolutely maddening. 😒
I bet the only reason the first season of Euphoria was decent was because of the six months Petra Collins worked on it. The second season took a steep decline in quality and don't even get me started on the steaming garbage pile of The Idol.
"some historians dont believe a teenage girl could write something so magnificent and influential" and to those historians, i ask them to spend 5 minutes on ao3.
Yep. You can deceive people into thinking you're a genius when really you're just a nepo baby with a carefully constructed narrative and image - Bezos, Elon Musk, Elizabeth Holmes, etc.
This is why I will never bow down and apologize for being a feminist, despite the fact I get a lot of hate for this. Don't underestimate women scientists, musicians, artists, mathematicians, doctors etc. EVER! Greetings from Poland!
i’m new to this channel. what kind of feminists are we here? the kind who fight for and to protect women’s rights or the kind who fights for the ‘rights’ of men who can put on a dress and lipstick and claim women’s oppression as their own?
in a way it makes sense that the “euphoria aesthetic” was created by a woman. I think that type of indie sleaze vibe comes across as way less male-gazey and more authentic. it’s completely changed the way I see euphoria (season 1) ever since I found out about it it is such a slap in the face for hbo to brush off the allegation by saying “euphoria was inspired by an Israeli show”. literally the original euphoria has a completely different visual aesthetic and seemingly a lot of the characters are completely unrecognizable. the bizarre pr-bs explanation only draws more attention to the fact that SOMEONE had to have been the driving force behind such a major (feminine) change. I do not believe that leading force in the shift was sam levinson
Especially with the fact that visual was the main thing that made show go viral. Everyone was inspired by aesthetics of it not the plot. Sam really tried to push "realism" of teenage years siding his own experience, but ... he's a rich nepo baby how would he even known about average teenager? The wildest thing in the beginning a lot of people bought this version of 'realism', i remember that i did (mostly because i'm not from US and just believed that there thing could be like it but still)
I’ve also found that in most female led work, visuals and colors are used this way, more subversive and authentic, female artists tend to make bolder choices and express themselves more deeply than male artists tend to do, Sam Levinson seemed too good to be true and he was.
@@verakrotExcept that I distinctly remember that a good part of what made the story of season 1 so compelling and authentic was that Levinson took the teenage stories of the cast and wove them into the series (and perhaps these interviews have also disappeared?)
Let’s all act as if the greatest artist and directors aren’t men. Because “male gaze” is automatically WORSE than female gaze. But hey! Feminist want equality and not superiority but men are inferior in all aspects: artistically, psychologically, emotionally, morally etc.
@verakrot A lot of people bought that idea of realism because a lot of us lived it. Almost no writer has actually experienced even half the content they write about. They _research_ the topic, and it's a known fact that the cast members influenced some of the characters they played.
After reading "A Mad Women's Ball" and seeing this, it makes me realize how much humanity's disregard for Women emotions has shaped the phrase "Women are Crazy". It's absurd to me how the 1st thing men think of when they can't control a women into submission is try to send her off to a "mental institute" and negate any responsibility from themselves. It's so humiliating and dismissive of any emotions of anger or injustice women feel. What kills me is that these emotions are experienced exactly the same in men. But men are allowed to express and display those feelings of being wronged or rage and are expected to act on them. While Women with feelings were shipped off behind a wall and labeled insane.
@@suprememilkers413To be fair men suppressing their more vulnerable emotions is also a problem and the men calling that out aren't the same ones demonizing women for showing anger,in fact I feel like it's mostly women who point men suppressing more of those emotions than men do,since usually a guy suppressing his emotions will inevitably lead to toxic masculinity which unfortunately does affect us as women
Except for Mary Shelley the author of Frankenstein yeah a man directed The 1931 Frankenstein adaptation remember it was the 1930s and the store is not about a woman it's about a man scientist who is a man
@@mygaaraofthedesertI think the book isna bit different. In many ways, it's about men trying to do away with women and control this one little thing we can do that they can't. And I dont mean this in a TERF way, I mean rich men-men who need to control everything. And it goes poorly for them.
It infuriates me that anyone would still think that Frankenstein comes from a man. The creature is so obviously a stand-in for the way women were treated: A creature who is brilliant and curious and kind, but is hurt and rejected again and again because of its physical appearance, barred from the learning and respect it desperately craves. So it becomes a monster whose only option is to take a mate and breed. The way it kills Frankenstein's fiancée feels like the battle that might have gone on in Mary's soul between who she was and what society expected her to be. Hell, Percy Shelley became as famous as he did PURELY because of Mary's advocacy of his writing after he died.
I have grown to appreciate the character of Elizabeth. As a girl I thought she was whiney and useless, but as an adult it is quite clear that the poor girl was basically brought to be a wife for Victor. And then while he's off trying to create life-how dare a woman be involved in such a process?-she is at home trying desperately to keep things together. (Note, I don't mean that in a TERF way. Victor wants to be a man, just one who creates life. A transwoman wanting to have children as any other woman is heartbreaking.)
No one thinks Percy wrote Frankenstein. Furthermore, he was already famous before they met. But before she was known as Shelley's wife, she was already overshadowed by her proto feminist mother, Mary Wolstencraft. People remember Mary Shelley as the author of Frankenstein. So, technically the inventor of science fiction. Wheras Percy is remembered by poetry majors.
I just read Frankenstein for the first time and to me it’s obvious a woman wrote it (and one who was pregnant). It deeply reflects on the responsibility we have for bringing life into the world and on what caretaking means. The science aspect is important but forefronted in most adaptation over anything else. Loneliness, love, caretaking and responsibility are such major themes I wasn’t expecting reading the original work. Penny Dreadful I think gets the closest to this. I’d love to see a Greta Gerwig version of Frankenstein.
As a young woman studying a creative field, I have an idea of how these women must have felt. My idea was stolen by a professor, a much older man, and officially presented as his own at a school festival. I have to say, I was crushed. I felt naive and stupid for telling my idea that was so personal to me. That can happen to anyone. Stay strong. I love your work, thank you for creating. I deleted this comment before so here it is again.
It's funny how when Euphoria first made waves, everyone was like, wow, the makeup is so amazing, the creator of the show is really interested in makeup *not like other guys*, so he let the makeup artists run free. And somehow it was all attributed to him, and then later on I read that the most iconic crystal looks is because Alexa Demie showed the makeup crew pics of Elizabeth Berkley from Showgirls and told them to do that.
One example that quickly sprang to mind for me was how Kabuki theatre was invented by a woman, Izumo no Okuni, only for women to be banned by male authorities from the artform altogether. I even use the term 'kabukification' to refer to when women are chased out of artforms they helped create
Let me get this straight not only did he rip off her work, but he also hired a bunch of the people that she had previously worked with or currently work with? Man the audacity that people have never ceases to amaze me. Bold very bold. What's sad as we live in a society now where if you make these claims, you have the people who will make the argument that "well everything is inspired by something else and what is creativity really ?"etc. etc.
@@kimberleywilliams7802 the problem is they let her do everything else including hire people she worked with (through her casting or not) but she wasn't "old enough" to direct them? In many corporate spaces that is a sly way of demoting if not trying to push someone out while attempting to void consequences. She was literally old enough to do everything including having the vision without getting the title when we now know she deserved and earned more credit than that.
Lesson: Don't share your ideas until it's out there for everyone to see all at once. When they see it, they'll know it's your work. Yes, you want to feel needed and heard but it can get women into situations like this. Have a mind always set on doing business or else you're a moving target, easy to manipulate. Men are envious of women. They feel women don't deserve it, that the world doesn't expect you to succeed... and that it's alright if you don't because you're JUST a woman. In their minds, the weight of the world is on their shoulders and therefore feel they have the right to take what's yours. It's disgusting and pathetic.
I remember I was in 8th grade English, doing an English assignment. I shared my poem to my friend, (boy) he was it was a wonderful poem and we were both excited. I come to find out I received a zero for my work, (I never turned it in?) I looked for it everywhere. later on the days, the teacher puts up the poems she best liked. I see my poem on the board, with a different name, my friends name that I shared my poem before turning it in. Long story short; I let my teacher know and they did not believe me. My “friend” took my credit and I vowed never to share my work with anyone unless they signed NDA’s or legal agreements/documentation records
OMG! I'm so sorry for that has happened to you. I hate when this happens, the teacher always use their bias decisions to see who's telling the truth. If I was the teacher, I would of told both students to make another poem and from the new created poems, i would see who actually was the one who created first the poem. The thing about liars and work stealers, they can't recreate the stolen work.
Marie Curie’s husband was told on at least one occasion that her work should be published under his name because the scientific community wouldn’t take their discoveries seriously if they knew a woman was the project lead.
By your other comments, you seem to think it’s ok for working class people to have their work stolen and go hungry, if they’re men. Because no man could possibly actually be creative. 🙄
@ Fantallana nice try, but it’s Sam Levinson they’re talking about. He’s rich and not struggling financially like the average working class citizen. And yes btw he deserves to have everything taken from him forever.
This was so good 😭 I was lowkey tearing up at the end just cuz this world really has been so cruel to women and just the feminine in general. This world would have no light no softness if it weren’t for women.
to exist as a woman in this world is to be sexualized and objectified without your consent. it is devastating to exist in a male run society because it's an unspoken rule to not listen or respect women.
"the feminine"?... don't bring feminine men into this. Talking about female oppression on its own is important. We matter. If an effeminate man wanted to hide he was gay to not get his work discredited, he simply could. Women could almost never hide the fact that they were female.
@@jazmin6973exactly, but feminine men don't have nearly as much issues being discredited, if anything they are the ones usually outright co opting women's art and ideas publicly and it's the norm. Women and women only can't have anything.. nothing to do with feminine.
Alice Guy-Blaché was a PIONEER of the French and American film industry in the early 1900’s. She’s was not only the first female director but generally acknowledged to be THE FIRST director to film a narrative story. Nobody knows her name.
tbh i don't feel like people in general would know much about the film industry history and its pioneers compared to say historical figures of war/politics or science due to school learning. Also, maybe written things like stories/plays since those artforms have been around a lot longer so have a greater cultural foundation, i suppose.
I will add to this list Bessie Mae Kelly, one of the earliest women known to have hand drawn animated cartoons, and who in the early 1920s invented a mouse couple named Milton and Mary. This is prior to Walt Disney’s supposed creation. He even cited the cartoons she worked on as a goal for the kind of thing he wanted his studio to do. Extra rich that Disney megacorp keeps getting the copyright extended on 'their' mice. Historian Mindy Johnson is currently working on a book and documentary about early women animators, including Bessie Mae Kelly.
I didn't know about her! :0 thanks for the info! Also, there's the fact that Snow White was NOT the first animated movie, that was The Adventures of Prince Achmed made by Lottie Reininger! And she did it in STOP MOTION.
And the fact that Ana Mendieta’s death may very well have been a result of her husband’s jealousy about her rising fame (in addition her looking to divorcee him). The podcast “Death of an Artist” went deep into the story of her life & the court trial of Carl Andre-it boils blood to learn of the injustice. Thank you for your work to counter/correct the terribly rotted paradigms of patriarchy.♥️
Oh my gosh yes!! Ugh I wish I would have remembered to include her. Thank you for bringing her up, her work is so incredible and what happened to her is tragic
@@FinalGirlStudios The list is so horrifically ongoing and your essay does a brilliant job encompassing a great many women. I recently learnt about Mars Argo being horribly abused by Corey Michael Mixter (Titanic Sinclair) who stole her art and wrecked her life. “Seduction and betrayal” by Elizabeth Hardwick is a book I’ve on a list to read on this very pattern of partner abuse. But the solace I find is in seeing the stories being told and awareness through education to articulate experiences & recognize it happening.
Ana Mendieta was my obsession in 9th grade. I did a project on her for my advanced art class and included a lot about how her husband clearly murdered her. This was 2005, so a huge chunk of the class thought I was a "crazy" weirdo.
I had the AUDACITY to comment that the statue “the Rape of Prosperina” is sad, although obviously a masterfully created worked of art. Like, it’s sad as in it’s sad to see something I’ve gone through that was horrific and killed a big part of me, so often used as a “tragic and beautiful” subject matter for artworks by male artists. There are SO many works that feature female trauma as the literal subject matter, executed in very passive, voyeuristic ways, where the woman is usually on display to be viewed in this act that is happening to her. And that’s sad. As a victim of assault, and I said it seems to point to a disconnect a lot of men have had to female trauma. To them it’s something they can disconnect from. I got 85 replies, all from men, who were either telling me my response was inappropriate, or telling me I deserved to be raped again.
Disgusting. Trying to raise a son in this culture has been so difficult as he is surrounded by exactly what you describe. Men as a whole haven’t changed. Many are furious women have succeeded to the degree they have and since they can’t institutionalize us or deny divorces, we have 4chan and Incels show up. My ex became abusive when I broke up - if I had to stay in that relationship I’d have gone crazy from depression as well. Keep on writing. You’re well spoken.
Those men suck and probably have some bizarre fetishes they to work through. Personally, I always thought there was something homoerotic about this sort of art. Are the men really focused on the female victim? Or are they placing themselves in the role of the abuser? And they're too big of cowards to admit it so instead they just rage and whine.
Symbolism. A flower crossed by a sword, can also mean rape. Is not always about “getting horny” about it. In fact is never about seen rape as something sexual. It has many symbolisms. We literally have as the symbol of our western identity, a bloody dude in a cross. We have Martirs in the Catholic Church seen as saints. Promethus, Sisiphus, Osiris, and many other mythological characters are either physically punished, or killed , burnt alive , tortured etc. Is not only women, in fact Id say it’s mostly mostly men who are depicted in those ways. All across different religions. Suffering and pain are universal and part of the human experience. Rapes are a real thing and art will represent what it’s deemed, the worst thing that can happen to a woman. And yea it can be artistic. Just like the torture and death of a jewish Palestinian man was used as artistic statement for 2k years.
@@kant.68 wow, did you read the comment to the end, or even understood a bit of what the comment was about? The question or thought she discribed or the reaction she was shocked about? Nice arranged words that show indeed a lack of empathy. Stunning
@@kant.68 The thing is, though, so often when a woman in fiction dies or is hurt, it is through sexual violence. Rape isn't the worst thing, that's part of the problem. Our society treats it as the worst thing when really I would rather be raped than lose my ability to walk or lose a limb. I would rather be raped than starved for weeks. And yet society tells us that a woman's worth is her virginity and moral character, so, thus, rape is worse than mutilation.
This video made me cry, I knew about a lot of the black female creators but didn't know the stories of many others especially artists. I was a fine arts major and we consistently ONLY learned about men. I was only taught about women painters and artists in High School by one teacher. It's disgusting how they've tried to erase these women. Thank You for making this, extremely informative. P.S. I've ALWAYS h8ted the Great Gatsby and now I have even more reason why. 😅
Q: Should we talk about ALL artists or the best artists? Because there’s just no time for that. Men have contributed the most to arts and you cant just be pissed off about that. Why are yall constantly compiting against us??? Who told you feminism is Men VS Women?!
I always were confused on why Frankenstein was made a brainless brute on movies but then you brought up the fact all the directors were men....... That unfortunately explains some things
Literally all they had to do was credit her. The visual style carries the show hardcore, they could've just put her name in the credits and a humble royalty.
As someone who's been a fan of Petra's work for more than a decade now, when I first watched Euphoria I immediately recognized her style. It was so obvious, yet I couldn't find her name in the credits or any statement about her involvement in the show at the time. This was the most surprising thing to me. So when this news broke out, I just went: "And there we have it." Like, I wasn't surprised at all that a woman has been taken advantage of by yet another man in the industry.
petra and i are around the same age and we are both photographers (obv she is way more successful). I have been so in love with her work since I found it and can relate so much to many of the things she said, especially about growing up in the early 2000s. i am so angry for her and for what we lost. i know euphoria would be a better show if petra was involved the entire length and given the respect her work is due. honestly levinson just seems like a wannabe boy genius misogynist that can’t stand that he isn’t talented enough to stand on his own two feet. so instead he steals the work of others, very often women and gets all the praise. fuck him forever. this video is exactly what i have been waiting for. i love this channel. def in my top three along with broey deschanel and be kind rewind. y’all are amazing, insightful, smart women who don’t hold any punches.
also, it’s funny you mention “frankenstein”. i was excited for “poor things” which was partly inspired by the story of frankenstein and how it would be if he were a woman. but it’s directed by a man so… we’ll see. 🙄
As a woman working in a creative field, this terrifies me. I feel so awful for those women, I wish they could see now that they are finally starting to be honoured and recognised
You must read Wifedom by Anna Funder! There’s also a great Conversations podcast episode with her talking about her research for the book - basically it’s about Orwell’s amazing wife, her key contributions to Orwell’s work (including 1984) and how she has been written out of history - until now
I hope Petra Collins sues Sam Levinson. And I'm confused. Why didn't the actresses point out that the show was her aesthetic when she was no longer involved. They worked with Petra before, why didn't they come to her defense when she got removed? Were they lied to by the network to keep them in the show and prevent them from walking out or something like that?
I actually think Petra didn’t want to “cause a fuss” about it! The original portion of the article I quoted where she talks about the theft is now gone, and I strongly believe it was removed at her request. In Hollywood it is very easy to get blacklisted… especially if you’re a woman. I imagine Petra was likely afraid that if she spoke up about this she would be barred from future directing opportunities. Which I hope doesn’t happen because I love her video work and have been eagerly looking forward to her directorial debut for years. The sad reality is that messy things like this happen in Hollywood everyday and most of the instances we will probably never hear about.
As soon as you mentioned women getting sent to mental institutes, I KNEW Camille Claudel would be talked about. Edit: i'm so glad I never took it upon myself to watch Euphoria, Sam Levinson's work seemed too icky for me and this is really confirming my suspicions of disingenuity in his work. 💀
Can you tell me please: HOW THE FUCK a girl getting her work stolen by a big company (capitalist greed 101) is in any shape, way or form related with women in mental institutions !!!?? At this point it just looks like yall wanna hate on men FOR AY REASON . Is not even THOSE MEN WHO DID IT! Is ALL men , even me. A 25 yo single random . Is truly difficult to be a feminist when all I hear is literal Misandry. Hate for the sake l hate and that’s it. Is always an excuse to shit on men
We had an exam at my uni about the sculpture through the years, and I was supposed to write about Rodin, but I completely shat on him and gave credit to Camille. I passed the exam, so I think my teacher was by my side
I went to the Rodin museum-it was nice but didn't really use its small space well-and all the biographical stuff made him out to be such an annoying sleeze.
As an art student who specializes in art history I am so glad with your research, these women have always been taken advantage of and written away as crazy. I had no idea this happened with something so mainstream as Euphoria, that we give so much credit for the artistic direction, I can’t say I’m surprised though
This kind of topic always twists my stomach, the audacity, contradictions, the cognitive dissonance, to steal from marginalized people, because they "have it to easy" everywhere else. Hedy Lamar was "too pretty"? Give me a break!
She WAS credited. The reason she wasn't praised was because her invention was too far ahead of its time for people outside the scientific community to understand. People in the 40s had no idea what kind of impact wi-fi would have in the future. However, she and her co-inventor did receive the patent in 1942. They didn't have the luxury of getting hung up on accolades when the war was raging. The allies were racking up heavy casualties at the hands of Nazi submarines. As a Jewish woman living in America, Heddy basically gave her invention to the US Navy for the sake of defeating Hitler. As cringey as it sounds today, she was told to go out and make appearances for the war effort because she was a well-known actress and considered one of the most beautiful, exotic women to ever step in front of a camera. She was one of many celebrities who were encouraged to do fundraising in WW2. Heddy Lamar became world famous for the scandal of appearing nude in the 1933 art house classic, Ecstasy. A few years later she would be used as the model for both Disney's Snow White and the Catwoman. Today, she's better remembered for her technical innovations than her acting career. And thankfully, she lived long enough to see herself recognized for her contributions.
So good. Thank you for making this video (and all your others). Can we fill the comments with the names of women who were denied credit? Just off the top of my head in music, Ellie Greenwich (Too many to mention), Lori Lieberman (Killing me Softly), Katherine Kennicott Davis (little Drummer Boy) Rita Coolidge (Layla)...SO many more.
As a former teenage angst girl, ONLY teenage girls can write a work like Frankenstein. Sure teens don’t have street smarts but their worlds are so open to creativity.
I say about the same thing in regards to manga. Unfortunately in male dominated industries it is like as soon as people know you’re a girl they go from” this is the best work ever” to “it is not that good”. And it is sad, because it discourages other girls to peruse the career because they believe it’s only man. 😭
Manga is one of the few popular art forms where women have not only been credited but have thrived. Unlike western comics, women have been responsible for many of the most successful manga titles ever published.
Ranma, Black Butler, Inuyasha, Sailor Moon, Full Metal Alchemist, Blue Exorcist, and Demon Slayer were all created by women. Though that last creator is non-binary, they still managed to break into the highly competitive industry as a biological female.
i think that the euphoria situation shows how people don’t realize that cinematography can really make or break a show or film. i doubt that euphoria would have kept going this long if it wasn’t so pretty. i’m not saying that the writing is bad i just think the cinematography makes it a lot mare palatable
i was just talking about this with my friends today and i just felt so happy seeing that you made a video about it. even though i am happy that so many people are acknowledging this fact and speaking up about it, i cant stop myself from getting emotional and frustrated when thinking about it all. i myself am a woman in stem who has been dreaming of doing research about schizophrenia since my early childhood. knowing that so many women till this day get ignored, used and ditched by the society so the spotlight can only be on men makes me so damn angry, yet so afraid. i just hope that we get our justice and will no longer be afraid that our work will be stolen from us. i really hope so.
I love Petra Collins and have loved her work since 2014, after watching euphoria the lighting reminds me of her work and after this happening i am so shocked and also not surprised but i wish petra directed it cos the impact would be more impactful
She especially is so easy to dismiss as crazy etc…, like when she said Russell Crow spat at her and RZA threw her under the bus only to later say it was true. Same for her live-tweeting from the Musk household, she was right, but always dismissed.
I don’t like some of the things she has said and done, but she does often speak the truth on things like what you mentioned She’s an amazing musical talent and doesn’t really have anyone else doing what she does in the level she does it. It’s frustrating that men like Kanye can be considered musical gods and placed on a cultural pedestal for so long while opening courting controversy, but Azaelia only got credit for one great song and then was shunted to the side. Nothing she has said or done has been as bad as Kanye or Bieber at his height of grossness, but if you’re a black woman with shitty takes you don’t get the same opportunities
And in that vein - Diplo always co-ops women’s success. He did it with MIA and azealia. He cannot let WOC experience success without him forcing himself onto every magazine shoot with them and saying he “discovered” or “mentored” them.
@@FrozenAfricaPrincess Because Russell Crow has a history of spitting on people and act batshit crazy. While Azalea is the most stable person . Many women are indeed psychotic , just like many men. And back in the day medice wasn’t as good so you was declared “sane” or “insane” and thats it. Men or women. In fact it was mostly men in those institutions
@@betteramulet50 Very vulgar . Her rapping skills are great and her singing is amazing. Talented but her lyrics suck ass and her attitude is awful. At least Cardi B is funny even tho her character is Ratchet Crazy Ass B*tch 101, but funny
Euphoria would've been massively more successful with it's own target audience if they had indeed hired a young female upstart to direct, particularly given that everything breathtaking about the show is all thanks to Petra in the first place.
Its so ironic. The first season was so well knowed. For the sitting and look. Yet now after season 2 that took a new art direction, and left only Levi’s on writing. And it was so terrible. It just show how much he s soo bad and how he got credited for other work.
i'm a woman in STEM, physics specifically, and yes. i can understand how these women must have felt. because it still happens. my opinion is less valued by some professors and peers, i'm always assumed to be "lacking". it's so frustrating. i HAVE to be perfect, my male colleagues can afford to make mistakes, but i can't.
For 2 years in college I went for biomedical engineering before switching to biochem. My intelligence was constantly doubted due to my gender, especially because I was a tattooed woman with bright hair and stretched ears. I still remember my male TA being completely stunned when I got the highest score on an orgo exam. It was grueling.
Levinson also gets the credit where his actors have shaped the characters. It's legitimately great that he gave Hunter Schafer and the others room to give feedback and suggestions, to push the characters into a more informed, realistic portrayal. Jules's character in season 1 is fantastic because of this - because she is Hunter's creation. But the actors don't get a writing credit or anything. Levinson is largely seen as the "auteur", the genius mind behind it all.
Sadly in the industry the credit rarely gets to the people that deserve it. In my opinion the end result is the most important and directors should listen to everyone's opinion on the show. But in reality you're told to mind your own business and later you see your work uncredited. In my op at the end there is your name behind the label of director, so why are they so protective of the free floating ideas idk. You could say in interviews and on social media- hey this person actually helped a lot with this, and your reputation won't be lost at all- the opposite. But I guess they have no self esteem and egos too big for that to happen.
Hearing about this makes so much sense . I remembered being enthralled by euphorias aesthetic but felt the story was lacking. This makes so much sense now.
As a female creative this has happened to me even on a small local scale. It’s so upsetting to see your work stolen and used as a creative direction for a whole company even locally, I can’t even imagine the weight of that on Petra on such a larger scale 😔 thank you for this video and speaking on this topic 🙏
Yayoi kusama who is a thousand times more original revolutionary and subversive than andy warhol could ever be was also plagarized by him. I also believe colette was encouraged by her husband to publish under his name which also meant that she had trouble accessing the earnings that were rightfully hers. A more recent example i can think of is titanic sinclair (😷) ripping off mars argo’s persona for his work with poppy.
thank you so much for this. there needed to be a longer form video discussing who petra collins is and why it was so fucked up what hbo did to her and the way that sam levinson has been taken the credit for single-handedly creating the “euphoria aesthetic” for years now.
I mean, the guy is a weirdo. He’s playing out his fantasy of high schoolers (actual minors) being extremely sexual. With each other. With much older adults. Like degrassi hinted at high schoolers having sex but it always ended up with an STD or pregnancy PSA lmao.
Perhaps I’m extra cynical but Petra’s facial characteristics are very similar to Syd Sweeney’s, and I wouldn’t put it past Levinson to project his own resentment of women via the twisted erotic depictions of their emotional suffering.
being able to adapt Frankenstein into film would be my absolute dream, even if that's so far-fetched, if given the chance, I'd snatch it up in a heartbeat and find other passionate women to help me.
I once saw a quote that said something to the effect of "behind every strong man there is an even stronger woman", that quote hits very differently these days
Important correction: Heddy Lamar's first name is pronounced "Heady" (short for Hedwig). Her life is incredibly interesting and very much worth checking out. (This is a fab video, btw - thanks for making it!)
24:22 I CANT help but think of Artemisia Gentileschi I’m terrible with names so I don’t always remember it but her work is so striking She’s my fav renaissance painter Her father painted over a lot of her works to make it more palatable
Season 3 is in the works and I suspect it will be a continuation in the decline of quality in the characters, world building, and overall vibe of the show. As time goes on and they move further away from Petra’s framework of the show (which was apparently the only thing holding it together. Petra’s aesthetics are the main reason it’s so famous), the show will get worse and worse and obviously eventually people will stop tuning in. We all saw how the Idol turned out. It seems like Sam isn’t able to create a good or even coherent tv show from his own creativity. It’s a shame that soon Sam will be responsible for running 2 shows into the ground lmao.
@@carlycrays2831 That’s what I was wondering. The only “loose thread” was what happened with that woman who gave all of those drugs to Rue? And tbh I’m not willing to sit through a whole other season to find out
I never watched Euphoria, and I don't think I want to. But this story... it rings so true. No matter whether I or anyone else likes a production, it must be ethical. And this stealing - why should I even say it - is unethical. It should have been hers.
This makes me so mad. Also the production company for Euphoria and The Idol, A24, should be called out too. They have this legacy of being a supporter of indie filmmakers, but then did nothing to advocate for the women they likely helped hire to work on these projects. I think if nothing else, A24 is big yet small enough that some public pressure could convince them to change internally vs the network which often gets 100 percent of the blame when it’s more often 60-40.
Bro, I can't believe that this is the actual reason why the season 2 was so different from season 1. It when from a "teen" show that touched real and hard problematics inside of a fantastic world to a more edgy and generic "teen" show. Even the visual aesthetics changed a lot, now it looks like it wants to replicate 70s indie movie style or maybe the 90s neo modern. At first I though it was bc Sam Levison realized that after the first season he gained a lot of respect from the academy and the audiencie, so he though he didn't have to write a coherent history anymore or doing a deep dive into the the problematics that wanted to show at first and he could do whatever he wanted bc people would still watch Euphoria. But now I know the thruth, and it's even more disapointing.
Great video with many examples, thank you!! It's so unfair what has been happening. One thing I hate about it, is that because women have been so overlooked and men represented as THE artists and inventors, there is also a kind of internalized misogyny where I find myself deep down being surprised a woman could have done something. I hate it so so much. It impacts the choices women make right now and their confidence, especially if you do not have female role models around you. Kids should get into contact (probably via school) with women who work in these kinds of fields to eliminate any doubts about womens' abilities created by this elimination of women.
Honestly all of this is making me look at Assassination Nation differently which is one of my favorite movies. But between Euphoria & The Idol, he’s stolen the creative vision of women twice so who’s to say he doesn’t have more under his belt. Even worse, the main constant for him is this voyeuristic gaze of young women and girls being sexually abused. Because Assassination Nation has a rlly good theme of how social media can turn people into savages in some way but is that message even from him?
This amazing video and overall history of women arts being taken away from them reminds me a lot of Lauryn hill time in the fugees as a hip hop fan. When the group dropped their first album it flopped bc according pras Michael (1/3 members) said the label gave pras and wycelf Jean only creative control where they were trying to emulate the gangsta rap of the time in the early 90s, the album flopped so bad they were close to getting dropped but their A&R saved them under the condition of Lauryn given more creative control for their second album. She was the mastermind behind the score from taking inspiration from 1930s-1940s radio shows for cinematic dialogue interludes to combining Caribbean music and hip hop music to adding in her singing more to the different samples and interpretations, not only did it help the score become a huge success but it changed the sound of hip hop forever, but Lauryn barely gets her credit which is insane bc you can hear that on her own solo albums miseducation of Lauryn hill and mtv unplugged 2.0
I love that you mentioned Katherine Johnson, I go to the university she got her undergrad from and she was such an interesting person!! Our school library has an entire section filled with information and pictures of her and about her life.
Literally the best thing about Euphoria, the one thing that makes all the unnecessary exploitative ick remotely palatable, is the aesthetic. Whatever story they lifted from the original Israeli show, it cannot have ever had the impact of Euphoria without Petra's painterly vision... I keep giving Sam Levinson a pass because Euphoria is so beautiful on a purely aesthetic level. Holy crow, this makes SO MUCH sense. NO MORE PASSES FOR SAM!
Wow, I just read up on her and I had no idea! Thank you for referring me, I wish I had known about her to contributions beforehand to include her in this video
it's so amazing that you're talking about this because i would have NEVER known about this. this is insane. i'm going to follow her and support her everywhere now.
I still havent watched euphoria because coincidentally this was also my well known aesthetic that id built for years and soon as rhe show came out i couldnt escape people tellinf me i was copying euphoria and it got really annoying especially because at first id never even heard of it
@@eugenekrabs3837 yes he was being very rude and passive aggressive he was like this throughout the entire time we had to work together, film photography is something that is taught in a-levels (idk what you call this in America but it’s basically when your 16-18 and still in education) we ALL had to pass A-levels or diplomas to be able to enter the particular university we attend he also had a huge ego about his “skills” as a photographer im just saying if your gunna suck your dick about something at least have a broad range of skills
@@talalh7247 correct, he is delusional, unfortunately he has gone on to do a placement year giving him greater opportunities (basically his parents are paying for him to get a head start into the industry) I do not have this privilege of rich parents therefore I must teach myself new skills in order to surpass all these nepo ass adult toddlers
Your essay is to me a cherry on top of what i've been investigating lately.. It is incredible what our society could look like in the eyes of young girls if they were not deprived of so many great role models. To be honest, i work within several fields of art for many years now, however, I always remain hidden behind male pseudonyms precisely to prevent my work from being associated with what i -- in my skewed perception -- perceived as "made by a woman":/ As if "made by a man" [subconsciously] ennobled the work to the position of human art, gender neutral, deeply philosophical, devoid of these stereotypical "female perspectives". Because, you know, man equals human, bs.
Hi, loved this deep dive into the history of womens work, and would like to expand a bit into Sofonisba's story. Alonso Sánchez Coello wasn't a front to hide Sofonisba Anguissola's work. He himself was one of the court painters, and they collaborated often. In fact, the way we redescovered her work was by realizing that Alonso's paintings were oddly inconsistent in style (a.k.a. in reality half of them weren't actually done by him, but by Sofonisba). Most of their paintings aren't signed because no one really signed their work back then. In life she was extremely apppreciated and well regarded, but after her death she was forgotten and her artwork began to be misattributed, since she wasn't the official court painter. It's been wonderful to see her back in the history books where she belongs.
I’m outraged as a fellow creative. This is one of my worst fears when sharing my work with “higher ups.” I will not be watching any more Euphoria going forward.
This fully contextualizes why season one of Euphoria was so much better than season two.
Exactly.
He couldn’t even siphon from her anymore. Stealing from her creativity.
he was lost without someone to directly rip off from
Lmfao the idol literally being the epitome of that man's mind and terrible storytelling 💀
Always wondered why they added the awful character Elliott that Rue and Jules are made to fight each other over. The director probably just wanted to make the characters get "turned straight" by him. Just let the girls have their own relationship without throwing a man in there. Disgusting.
It’s really so funny and sad. I legit despise Sam Levinson, I think he’s a horrible writer, yet one thing I ALWAYS gave him credit for was the unique world and aesthetic he built for the show.
But even THAT isn’t due to him.
SAME! I always said exactly that as well.
@@FinalGirlStudios omg hi! I love your videos
I think Petra’s work on season 1 is brilliant, and it’s obvious that it wasn’t there when making season 2. Especially when the women are shown as truly toxic, violent, and dramatic. And don’t get me wrong, the relativity of the messiness of those characters is what makes the show special, but you can tell a man wrote all of those nasty fights and lengthy and sometimes violent sexual scenes.
Don't forget casting! Petra chose the cast well, the writing might be shite but the quality of the acting in season 1 elevates it ✨
THAT UNIQUE AESTHETIC IS STOLEN FROM PETRA WORK just look up any of petra photoshoots and you will see yourself y’all need to stop acting like he is a genius season 2 was shit he is a talentless nepo baby who is only good at stealing ideas from WOMEN and simultaneously exploiting their struggles at the same time he is disgusting.
Wait what?! The only redeeming quality of Sam Levinson was how aesthetically pleasing Euphoria is, and turns out it is not his work, he literally stole it from a woman. What exactly is his contribution then, sexualizing teenage girls on TV?!
This explains why season 1 of Euphoria was much better than season 2. And when The Idol came out I knew this man wasn't talented at all. He doesn't know how to tell a story without sexualizing people, especially girls.
@@lisaadams7339I would say that the guy creates great porn but we have been proven wrong there. Even the sex in his shows is dull
Come on, sexualizing teenage girls on TV existed long before Levinson.
I mean, have u seen the idol? That's all he does 🤡
@@SchulzEricTwell yeah but if that is literally the only thing u can do without addinf anythin else to it its kind of whack no? 💀
I remember once when talking abt intelligence men v women, my dad said "Theres never been a female Mozart". I came to find out that there had been one, his freaking SISTER, and that she was a brilliant musician too. But since she was a woman, she was forced to stop playing & get married instead.
Yeah and we should drop a mention of Anna Magdalena Bach, Clara Schumann, Fanny Mendelssohn Hensel, and Alma Mahler while we’re at it
Supposedly she was even better than her brother.
Apparently Mozart might have stolen some of her work too.
@@lanaharper9798and Hildegard von Bingen (1098-1179), good thing that she become a nun so she could keep composing music that still is loved today
Your dad sounds awful I’m so sorry
So, summarizing: the story was an adaptation and the aesthetics were stolen, so… what did Levinson ACTUALLY do, besides putting his name all over other people’s work?
Exactly, judging from The Idol, what is he actually capable of? Very little it seems, even the video essays that criticized the horrible writing of The Idol and Euphoria after season 1 acknowledged his supposed knack for aesthetics so now nothing is left that he deserves credit for.
Being a rich straight white male
He still did plenty. Wrote it for example. I think the adaptation isn't really like the Israeli version. Also check out his movie Assassination Nation. I just watched it because of a Vivian Stranger video.
He should've fought to keep Petra though
He stole successfully, I'm not even joking, he put together a multitude of factors that he knew would work well, and managed to tie it all back to him. He should've been a producer but he wanted to be creatively regarded. He did all this because he can, his parents are wealthy and successful and he grew up knowing he could be whatever he wants to be, that's how it works in those circles. And he also had quite a lot of luck. Unfortunately that's the formula that works insanely well and a ton of "geniuses" did just that.
Can’t lie, the aesthetics & sound track of Euphoria was the only reason I stuck with it. And the fact that it was lockdown & I was desperate. If it was as grimy feeling as skins uk, it probably wouldn’t have been as popular- Skins only gets away with it cause the writing’s so good. Her work & the acting carried that whole show on its back imo.
I want this to be a college course required. Not just women’s history but stolen women’s history.
That’s brilliant
preach
Absolutely. People need to see women were NEVER the 'weaker gender', especially in terms of genius
YES PLEASE!!!
If a male 'artist' is obviously a pervert, then their work is 99% a collage of the people they expoilted or harrased
The world, it's a sad place isn't it?
Their minuscule contribution you mean
@@JasonAtlasit’s not the world it’s the men
Not…really? More elaboration? The sentence as written is unclear.
I absolutely HATE when misogynists will say “men contribute more to society, science, politics, art, etc because women have less to offer”
It take minimal critical thinking to realize that men only contributed more because women were seen as less and pushed down. If women are forbidden to read, write, learn, go out, then how were they expected to contribute?
And then the women who did contribute had their works stolen. It’s so frustrating 💔
@@eugenekrabs3837"Women have all the freedoms men have today" Umm, no we don't. That sounds like a privilege take.
@@eugenekrabs3837 Coming from someone named Eugene, that should already be a dead giveaway.
But allowed me to explain : first of all, not all women like you say we do because for example : women/people of color are still facing oppression and microagression every single day by our own families or co-workers, and majority of us with good minds are too poor to achieve our dreams due to strict families of color forcing us into "traditional" job fields like doctors or lawyers but when we DO achieve the same dreams like white people , specifically white men - these white men in the US industry would change our work and steal credit for all the hard work (hence, why so many women are becoming independent content creator as they should be because F Hollywood, lol!) . and that doesn't compare to what white women/white people goes through because they're already privileged to achieve their dreams and never have their work changed/stolen. But it still obvious white women will have their work stolen by cishet white men regardless because misogyny is still a thing.
Men take women place everytime they can. Look a Haunter Shaffer...he takes place where an actress could be. But everyone is on his side to avoid controversy. He and Sam Levinson are just the same.
@@cristalblackstar8177 Begone terf
@@cristalblackstar8177 jules was always meant to be a trans character tho? it makes sense to cast a trans woman for the role of trans girl, no? or do you want a cis woman to play a trans woman?
The field of STEM is absolutely rife with this. As a biology student you will learn again and again of monumental discoveries being stolen by the dudes that used the work of a woman. It’s almost comical how often it happened, just to an absurd degree
But I thought patriarchy kept all of you out of the this fields? I thought evil white men didn’t allow to even be around
Men really do hate us when they can't use us
So true!
OMG!!! I remember learning about Rosalind Franklin who discovered DNA and Vera Rubin who proved Dark Matter exists. And they never got Nobel Prizes but men took the credit and got the prizes for THEIR findings! Absolutely maddening. 😒
Well said. I am fed up, so I am fighting. This is happening systematically.
I bet the only reason the first season of Euphoria was decent was because of the six months Petra Collins worked on it. The second season took a steep decline in quality and don't even get me started on the steaming garbage pile of The Idol.
Now that I think about it, this reveals explains a _lot_ . He only understood the basics and couldn't follow up without the source. Good for him.
This this this!!! No wonder why there was no substance in the second season!
Yeah i wonder why the show look so different from the first season
"some historians dont believe a teenage girl could write something so magnificent and influential" and to those historians, i ask them to spend 5 minutes on ao3.
So basically Sam is mediocre at everything and making use of his nepo baby status?
Exactly!!! People need to stop acting like he is some genius he is only good at being pretentious and stealing ideas
Yep. You can deceive people into thinking you're a genius when really you're just a nepo baby with a carefully constructed narrative and image - Bezos, Elon Musk, Elizabeth Holmes, etc.
Yep, her ripped off both an Israeli tv show and Petra Collins.
glad you took a look at the long history of men taking credit for the hardwork and nuance brought forth by women
Troons and trantifa doing it still, misogynist women haters in every direction
@@gypsylee333As we historically know, any group nazis try to kill off are the actual oppressors.
who?@@gypsylee333
This is why I will never bow down and apologize for being a feminist, despite the fact I get a lot of hate for this.
Don't underestimate women scientists, musicians, artists, mathematicians, doctors etc. EVER!
Greetings from Poland!
i’m new to this channel. what kind of feminists are we here? the kind who fight for and to protect women’s rights or the kind who fights for the ‘rights’ of men who can put on a dress and lipstick and claim women’s oppression as their own?
@chelseag1190 Yikes. A transphobe. Your kind just pop up everywhere for no reason. No one asked.
Peach it, sister. Power and peace to all women. Including trans women.
@@Fantallanayes! ❤ Trans rights are human rights. Transphobia and misogyny are two sides of the same coin.
@@gaj30stop.
in a way it makes sense that the “euphoria aesthetic” was created by a woman. I think that type of indie sleaze vibe comes across as way less male-gazey and more authentic. it’s completely changed the way I see euphoria (season 1) ever since I found out about it
it is such a slap in the face for hbo to brush off the allegation by saying “euphoria was inspired by an Israeli show”. literally the original euphoria has a completely different visual aesthetic and seemingly a lot of the characters are completely unrecognizable. the bizarre pr-bs explanation only draws more attention to the fact that SOMEONE had to have been the driving force behind such a major (feminine) change. I do not believe that leading force in the shift was sam levinson
Especially with the fact that visual was the main thing that made show go viral. Everyone was inspired by aesthetics of it not the plot. Sam really tried to push "realism" of teenage years siding his own experience, but ... he's a rich nepo baby how would he even known about average teenager? The wildest thing in the beginning a lot of people bought this version of 'realism', i remember that i did (mostly because i'm not from US and just believed that there thing could be like it but still)
I’ve also found that in most female led work, visuals and colors are used this way, more subversive and authentic, female artists tend to make bolder choices and express themselves more deeply than male artists tend to do, Sam Levinson seemed too good to be true and he was.
@@verakrotExcept that I distinctly remember that a good part of what made the story of season 1 so compelling and authentic was that Levinson took the teenage stories of the cast and wove them into the series (and perhaps these interviews have also disappeared?)
Let’s all act as if the greatest artist and directors aren’t men. Because “male gaze” is automatically WORSE than female gaze. But hey! Feminist want equality and not superiority but men are inferior in all aspects: artistically, psychologically, emotionally, morally etc.
@verakrot A lot of people bought that idea of realism because a lot of us lived it. Almost no writer has actually experienced even half the content they write about. They _research_ the topic, and it's a known fact that the cast members influenced some of the characters they played.
After reading "A Mad Women's Ball" and seeing this, it makes me realize how much humanity's disregard for Women emotions has shaped the phrase "Women are Crazy". It's absurd to me how the 1st thing men think of when they can't control a women into submission is try to send her off to a "mental institute" and negate any responsibility from themselves.
It's so humiliating and dismissive of any emotions of anger or injustice women feel. What kills me is that these emotions are experienced exactly the same in men. But men are allowed to express and display those feelings of being wronged or rage and are expected to act on them. While Women with feelings were shipped off behind a wall and labeled insane.
Or lobotomized.
Yep, then men want to turn around and complain that society has taught them to suppress their more vulnerable emotions. Lmao
@@suprememilkers413To be fair men suppressing their more vulnerable emotions is also a problem and the men calling that out aren't the same ones demonizing women for showing anger,in fact I feel like it's mostly women who point men suppressing more of those emotions than men do,since usually a guy suppressing his emotions will inevitably lead to toxic masculinity which unfortunately does affect us as women
Except for Mary Shelley the author of Frankenstein yeah a man directed The 1931 Frankenstein adaptation remember it was the 1930s and the store is not about a woman it's about a man scientist who is a man
@@mygaaraofthedesertI think the book isna bit different. In many ways, it's about men trying to do away with women and control this one little thing we can do that they can't. And I dont mean this in a TERF way, I mean rich men-men who need to control everything. And it goes poorly for them.
The quote about how she worked so hard for her aesthetic but now has to change it is absolutely heartbreaking
It infuriates me that anyone would still think that Frankenstein comes from a man. The creature is so obviously a stand-in for the way women were treated: A creature who is brilliant and curious and kind, but is hurt and rejected again and again because of its physical appearance, barred from the learning and respect it desperately craves. So it becomes a monster whose only option is to take a mate and breed. The way it kills Frankenstein's fiancée feels like the battle that might have gone on in Mary's soul between who she was and what society expected her to be. Hell, Percy Shelley became as famous as he did PURELY because of Mary's advocacy of his writing after he died.
I have grown to appreciate the character of Elizabeth. As a girl I thought she was whiney and useless, but as an adult it is quite clear that the poor girl was basically brought to be a wife for Victor. And then while he's off trying to create life-how dare a woman be involved in such a process?-she is at home trying desperately to keep things together. (Note, I don't mean that in a TERF way. Victor wants to be a man, just one who creates life. A transwoman wanting to have children as any other woman is heartbreaking.)
😂😂😂 you reading too much.
No one thinks Percy wrote Frankenstein. Furthermore, he was already famous before they met. But before she was known as Shelley's wife, she was already overshadowed by her proto feminist mother, Mary Wolstencraft.
People remember Mary Shelley as the author of Frankenstein. So, technically the inventor of science fiction. Wheras Percy is remembered by poetry majors.
I just read Frankenstein for the first time and to me it’s obvious a woman wrote it (and one who was pregnant). It deeply reflects on the responsibility we have for bringing life into the world and on what caretaking means. The science aspect is important but forefronted in most adaptation over anything else. Loneliness, love, caretaking and responsibility are such major themes I wasn’t expecting reading the original work. Penny Dreadful I think gets the closest to this. I’d love to see a Greta Gerwig version of Frankenstein.
Frankenstein is one of my all time favourites, couldn’t agree with you more 🫶
"I’d love to see a Greta Gerwig version of Frankenstein." Such a great idea!
As a young woman studying a creative field, I have an idea of how these women must have felt. My idea was stolen by a professor, a much older man, and officially presented as his own at a school festival. I have to say, I was crushed. I felt naive and stupid for telling my idea that was so personal to me. That can happen to anyone. Stay strong.
I love your work, thank you for creating.
I deleted this comment before so here it is again.
It's funny how when Euphoria first made waves, everyone was like, wow, the makeup is so amazing, the creator of the show is really interested in makeup *not like other guys*, so he let the makeup artists run free. And somehow it was all attributed to him, and then later on I read that the most iconic crystal looks is because Alexa Demie showed the makeup crew pics of Elizabeth Berkley from Showgirls and told them to do that.
One example that quickly sprang to mind for me was how Kabuki theatre was invented by a woman, Izumo no Okuni, only for women to be banned by male authorities from the artform altogether. I even use the term 'kabukification' to refer to when women are chased out of artforms they helped create
Damn. I knew women were banned, but I didn't know the creator was a woman. That's awful.
Let me get this straight not only did he rip off her work, but he also hired a bunch of the people that she had previously worked with or currently work with? Man the audacity that people have never ceases to amaze me. Bold very bold. What's sad as we live in a society now where if you make these claims, you have the people who will make the argument that "well everything is inspired by something else and what is creativity really ?"etc. etc.
No, she handled casting, it says it right there in the video.
@@kimberleywilliams7802 the problem is they let her do everything else including hire people she worked with (through her casting or not) but she wasn't "old enough" to direct them? In many corporate spaces that is a sly way of demoting if not trying to push someone out while attempting to void consequences. She was literally old enough to do everything including having the vision without getting the title when we now know she deserved and earned more credit than that.
@@angelr5694 I think they should just admit they wanted the free labour of someone who understood their project more than they did.
people? this video is about men specifically. men do this because they cannot handle women possibly being as talented than them or even more
Lesson: Don't share your ideas until it's out there for everyone to see all at once. When they see it, they'll know it's your work. Yes, you want to feel needed and heard but it can get women into situations like this. Have a mind always set on doing business or else you're a moving target, easy to manipulate.
Men are envious of women. They feel women don't deserve it, that the world doesn't expect you to succeed... and that it's alright if you don't because you're JUST a woman. In their minds, the weight of the world is on their shoulders and therefore feel they have the right to take what's yours. It's disgusting and pathetic.
Or get a lawyer especially if youre talking to big powers like HBO
I remember I was in 8th grade English, doing an English assignment. I shared my poem to my friend, (boy) he was it was a wonderful poem and we were both excited. I come to find out I received a zero for my work, (I never turned it in?) I looked for it everywhere.
later on the days, the teacher puts up the poems she best liked. I see my poem on the board, with a different name, my friends name that I shared my poem before turning it in.
Long story short; I let my teacher know and they did not believe me. My “friend” took my credit and I vowed never to share my work with anyone unless they signed NDA’s or legal agreements/documentation records
OMG! I'm so sorry for that has happened to you. I hate when this happens, the teacher always use their bias decisions to see who's telling the truth. If I was the teacher, I would of told both students to make another poem and from the new created poems, i would see who actually was the one who created first the poem. The thing about liars and work stealers, they can't recreate the stolen work.
Marie Curie’s husband was told on at least one occasion that her work should be published under his name because the scientific community wouldn’t take their discoveries seriously if they knew a woman was the project lead.
True. That was uncommon. But I bet you no feminist would buy a feminist book written by a man for example. Context matters
@@kant.68 I’m a feminist and own many, many books written by men. Including some feminist ones.
@@kant.68 we already do💀
Please sue the shit out of them and blast them on social media. In a country where you need money to survive no work should go unpaid or uncredited.
By your other comments, you seem to think it’s ok for working class people to have their work stolen and go hungry, if they’re men. Because no man could possibly actually be creative. 🙄
@@Fantallanasam levinson is by no means working class or creative.
@ Fantallana nice try, but it’s Sam Levinson they’re talking about. He’s rich and not struggling financially like the average working class citizen. And yes btw he deserves to have everything taken from him forever.
This was so good 😭 I was lowkey tearing up at the end just cuz this world really has been so cruel to women and just the feminine in general. This world would have no light no softness if it weren’t for women.
Yes I agree
You and me both.
to exist as a woman in this world is to be sexualized and objectified without your consent. it is devastating to exist in a male run society because it's an unspoken rule to not listen or respect women.
"the feminine"?... don't bring feminine men into this. Talking about female oppression on its own is important. We matter. If an effeminate man wanted to hide he was gay to not get his work discredited, he simply could. Women could almost never hide the fact that they were female.
@@jazmin6973exactly, but feminine men don't have nearly as much issues being discredited, if anything they are the ones usually outright co opting women's art and ideas publicly and it's the norm. Women and women only can't have anything.. nothing to do with feminine.
Alice Guy-Blaché was a PIONEER of the French and American film industry in the early 1900’s. She’s was not only the first female director but generally acknowledged to be THE FIRST director to film a narrative story.
Nobody knows her name.
tbh i don't feel like people in general would know much about the film industry history and its pioneers compared to say historical figures of war/politics or science due to school learning. Also, maybe written things like stories/plays since those artforms have been around a lot longer so have a greater cultural foundation, i suppose.
whenever someone mentions who made the first narrative film, it's always dw griffith and never her.
I will add to this list Bessie Mae Kelly, one of the earliest women known to have hand drawn animated cartoons, and who in the early 1920s invented a mouse couple named Milton and Mary.
This is prior to Walt Disney’s supposed creation. He even cited the cartoons she worked on as a goal for the kind of thing he wanted his studio to do. Extra rich that Disney megacorp keeps getting the copyright extended on 'their' mice.
Historian Mindy Johnson is currently working on a book and documentary about early women animators, including Bessie Mae Kelly.
I didn't know about her! :0 thanks for the info! Also, there's the fact that Snow White was NOT the first animated movie, that was The Adventures of Prince Achmed made by Lottie Reininger! And she did it in STOP MOTION.
And the fact that Ana Mendieta’s death may very well have been a result of her husband’s jealousy about her rising fame (in addition her looking to divorcee him). The podcast “Death of an Artist” went deep into the story of her life & the court trial of Carl Andre-it boils blood to learn of the injustice.
Thank you for your work to counter/correct the terribly rotted paradigms of patriarchy.♥️
Oh my gosh yes!! Ugh I wish I would have remembered to include her. Thank you for bringing her up, her work is so incredible and what happened to her is tragic
@@FinalGirlStudios The list is so horrifically ongoing and your essay does a brilliant job encompassing a great many women. I recently learnt about Mars Argo being horribly abused by Corey Michael Mixter (Titanic Sinclair) who stole her art and wrecked her life.
“Seduction and betrayal” by Elizabeth Hardwick is a book I’ve on a list to read on this very pattern of partner abuse.
But the solace I find is in seeing the stories being told and awareness through education to articulate experiences & recognize it happening.
Ana Mendieta was my obsession in 9th grade. I did a project on her for my advanced art class and included a lot about how her husband clearly murdered her. This was 2005, so a huge chunk of the class thought I was a "crazy" weirdo.
In my op society is very brainwashed and if most people think you're a weirdo you're doing something right
I had the AUDACITY to comment that the statue “the Rape of Prosperina” is sad, although obviously a masterfully created worked of art. Like, it’s sad as in it’s sad to see something I’ve gone through that was horrific and killed a big part of me, so often used as a “tragic and beautiful” subject matter for artworks by male artists. There are SO many works that feature female trauma as the literal subject matter, executed in very passive, voyeuristic ways, where the woman is usually on display to be viewed in this act that is happening to her. And that’s sad. As a victim of assault, and I said it seems to point to a disconnect a lot of men have had to female trauma. To them it’s something they can disconnect from.
I got 85 replies, all from men, who were either telling me my response was inappropriate, or telling me I deserved to be raped again.
Disgusting. Trying to raise a son in this culture has been so difficult as he is surrounded by exactly what you describe. Men as a whole haven’t changed. Many are furious women have succeeded to the degree they have and since they can’t institutionalize us or deny divorces, we have 4chan and Incels show up.
My ex became abusive when I broke up - if I had to stay in that relationship I’d have gone crazy from depression as well.
Keep on writing. You’re well spoken.
Those men suck and probably have some bizarre fetishes they to work through. Personally, I always thought there was something homoerotic about this sort of art. Are the men really focused on the female victim? Or are they placing themselves in the role of the abuser? And they're too big of cowards to admit it so instead they just rage and whine.
Symbolism. A flower crossed by a sword, can also mean rape.
Is not always about “getting horny” about it. In fact is never about seen rape as something sexual. It has many symbolisms.
We literally have as the symbol of our western identity, a bloody dude in a cross. We have Martirs in the Catholic Church seen as saints.
Promethus, Sisiphus, Osiris, and many other mythological characters are either physically punished, or killed , burnt alive , tortured etc. Is not only women, in fact Id say it’s mostly mostly men who are depicted in those ways. All across different religions. Suffering and pain are universal and part of the human experience. Rapes are a real thing and art will represent what it’s deemed, the worst thing that can happen to a woman. And yea it can be artistic. Just like the torture and death of a jewish Palestinian man was used as artistic statement for 2k years.
@@kant.68 wow, did you read the comment to the end, or even understood a bit of what the comment was about? The question or thought she discribed or the reaction she was shocked about? Nice arranged words that show indeed a lack of empathy. Stunning
@@kant.68 The thing is, though, so often when a woman in fiction dies or is hurt, it is through sexual violence. Rape isn't the worst thing, that's part of the problem. Our society treats it as the worst thing when really I would rather be raped than lose my ability to walk or lose a limb. I would rather be raped than starved for weeks. And yet society tells us that a woman's worth is her virginity and moral character, so, thus, rape is worse than mutilation.
This video made me cry, I knew about a lot of the black female creators but didn't know the stories of many others especially artists. I was a fine arts major and we consistently ONLY learned about men. I was only taught about women painters and artists in High School by one teacher. It's disgusting how they've tried to erase these women. Thank You for making this, extremely informative. P.S. I've ALWAYS h8ted the Great Gatsby and now I have even more reason why. 😅
omg i also hated the Great Gatsby and i feel so validated now for never liking it 💀
Same fr! As a graphic design major, I’ve always hated learning about white old men. Like no way in hell was it just men 🤢
@@Suited_Nat Yes!!! So annoying and boring 😴
@@peachybun Forreal lmaooo
Q: Should we talk about ALL artists or the best artists? Because there’s just no time for that. Men have contributed the most to arts and you cant just be pissed off about that. Why are yall constantly compiting against us???
Who told you feminism is Men VS Women?!
I always were confused on why Frankenstein was made a brainless brute on movies but then you brought up the fact all the directors were men....... That unfortunately explains some things
I knoowwww it’s infuriating, he’s never depicted correctly! 😭
Literally all they had to do was credit her. The visual style carries the show hardcore, they could've just put her name in the credits and a humble royalty.
As someone who's been a fan of Petra's work for more than a decade now, when I first watched Euphoria I immediately recognized her style. It was so obvious, yet I couldn't find her name in the credits or any statement about her involvement in the show at the time. This was the most surprising thing to me. So when this news broke out, I just went: "And there we have it." Like, I wasn't surprised at all that a woman has been taken advantage of by yet another man in the industry.
petra and i are around the same age and we are both photographers (obv she is way more successful). I have been so in love with her work since I found it and can relate so much to many of the things she said, especially about growing up in the early 2000s. i am so angry for her and for what we lost. i know euphoria would be a better show if petra was involved the entire length and given the respect her work is due. honestly levinson just seems like a wannabe boy genius misogynist that can’t stand that he isn’t talented enough to stand on his own two feet. so instead he steals the work of others, very often women and gets all the praise. fuck him forever.
this video is exactly what i have been waiting for. i love this channel. def in my top three along with broey deschanel and be kind rewind. y’all are amazing, insightful, smart women who don’t hold any punches.
also, it’s funny you mention “frankenstein”. i was excited for “poor things” which was partly inspired by the story of frankenstein and how it would be if he were a woman. but it’s directed by a man so… we’ll see. 🙄
As a woman working in a creative field, this terrifies me. I feel so awful for those women, I wish they could see now that they are finally starting to be honoured and recognised
You must read Wifedom by Anna Funder! There’s also a great Conversations podcast episode with her talking about her research for the book - basically it’s about Orwell’s amazing wife, her key contributions to Orwell’s work (including 1984) and how she has been written out of history - until now
Wooow omg!! I had no idea! Thank so much for the recommendation ☺️
I hope Petra Collins sues Sam Levinson.
And I'm confused. Why didn't the actresses point out that the show was her aesthetic when she was no longer involved. They worked with Petra before, why didn't they come to her defense when she got removed? Were they lied to by the network to keep them in the show and prevent them from walking out or something like that?
They knew all along. they just prioritized the paychecks.
I actually think Petra didn’t want to “cause a fuss” about it! The original portion of the article I quoted where she talks about the theft is now gone, and I strongly believe it was removed at her request.
In Hollywood it is very easy to get blacklisted… especially if you’re a woman. I imagine Petra was likely afraid that if she spoke up about this she would be barred from future directing opportunities. Which I hope doesn’t happen because I love her video work and have been eagerly looking forward to her directorial debut for years. The sad reality is that messy things like this happen in Hollywood everyday and most of the instances we will probably never hear about.
@@FinalGirlStudios Oh man, so the chances of her suing Levinson and the network are very unlikely then? No justice to be done at all?
@@misabelrodriguez1163 i don't think you can actually sue someone from stealing an aesthetic -- thank god. Although maybe uncredited work
@@atom6799 but stealing someone's art work is called art plagiarism, doesn't this fall under that category or is it something different?
As soon as you mentioned women getting sent to mental institutes, I KNEW Camille Claudel would be talked about.
Edit: i'm so glad I never took it upon myself to watch Euphoria, Sam Levinson's work seemed too icky for me and this is really confirming my suspicions of disingenuity in his work. 💀
Can you tell me please: HOW THE FUCK a girl getting her work stolen by a big company (capitalist greed 101) is in any shape, way or form related with women in mental institutions !!!?? At this point it just looks like yall wanna hate on men FOR AY REASON . Is not even THOSE MEN WHO DID IT! Is ALL men , even me. A 25 yo single random .
Is truly difficult to be a feminist when all I hear is literal Misandry. Hate for the sake l hate and that’s it. Is always an excuse to shit on men
We had an exam at my uni about the sculpture through the years, and I was supposed to write about Rodin, but I completely shat on him and gave credit to Camille. I passed the exam, so I think my teacher was by my side
I went to the Rodin museum-it was nice but didn't really use its small space well-and all the biographical stuff made him out to be such an annoying sleeze.
this filled me with a rage i didn't anticipate
The rage is so real.
I’m an artist and musician. I feel so ignorant on how to protect my work and creations…
Same.
Yeah
As an art student who specializes in art history I am so glad with your research, these women have always been taken advantage of and written away as crazy. I had no idea this happened with something so mainstream as Euphoria, that we give so much credit for the artistic direction, I can’t say I’m surprised though
This kind of topic always twists my stomach, the audacity, contradictions, the cognitive dissonance, to steal from marginalized people, because they "have it to easy" everywhere else. Hedy Lamar was "too pretty"? Give me a break!
She WAS credited. The reason she wasn't praised was because her invention was too far ahead of its time for people outside the scientific community to understand. People in the 40s had no idea what kind of impact wi-fi would have in the future. However, she and her co-inventor did receive the patent in 1942. They didn't have the luxury of getting hung up on accolades when the war was raging. The allies were racking up heavy casualties at the hands of Nazi submarines. As a Jewish woman living in America, Heddy basically gave her invention to the US Navy for the sake of defeating Hitler.
As cringey as it sounds today, she was told to go out and make appearances for the war effort because she was a well-known actress and considered one of the most beautiful, exotic women to ever step in front of a camera. She was one of many celebrities who were encouraged to do fundraising in WW2.
Heddy Lamar became world famous for the scandal of appearing nude in the 1933 art house classic, Ecstasy. A few years later she would be used as the model for both Disney's Snow White and the Catwoman. Today, she's better remembered for her technical innovations than her acting career. And thankfully, she lived long enough to see herself recognized for her contributions.
No one-including likely you-takes beautiful women seriously irl.
So good. Thank you for making this video (and all your others). Can we fill the comments with the names of women who were denied credit? Just off the top of my head in music, Ellie Greenwich (Too many to mention), Lori Lieberman (Killing me Softly), Katherine Kennicott Davis (little Drummer Boy) Rita Coolidge (Layla)...SO many more.
What a great idea!
Yes
As a former teenage angst girl, ONLY teenage girls can write a work like Frankenstein. Sure teens don’t have street smarts but their worlds are so open to creativity.
You forgot to add in Mileva Maric, Einstein's wife, who contributed to his work but was largely forgotten.
I say about the same thing in regards to manga. Unfortunately in male dominated industries it is like as soon as people know you’re a girl they go from” this is the best work ever” to “it is not that good”. And it is sad, because it discourages other girls to peruse the career because they believe it’s only man. 😭
Manga is one of the few popular art forms where women have not only been credited but have thrived. Unlike western comics, women have been responsible for many of the most successful manga titles ever published.
Ranma, Black Butler, Inuyasha, Sailor Moon, Full Metal Alchemist, Blue Exorcist, and Demon Slayer were all created by women. Though that last creator is non-binary, they still managed to break into the highly competitive industry as a biological female.
This is so wild. I cannot believe this. It's so blatant
i think that the euphoria situation shows how people don’t realize that cinematography can really make or break a show or film. i doubt that euphoria would have kept going this long if it wasn’t so pretty. i’m not saying that the writing is bad i just think the cinematography makes it a lot mare palatable
A24 also needs to answer for this. They keep working with Levinson despite his theft and his bad behavior toward the women he works with.
i was just talking about this with my friends today and i just felt so happy seeing that you made a video about it. even though i am happy that so many people are acknowledging this fact and speaking up about it, i cant stop myself from getting emotional and frustrated when thinking about it all. i myself am a woman in stem who has been dreaming of doing research about schizophrenia since my early childhood. knowing that so many women till this day get ignored, used and ditched by the society so the spotlight can only be on men makes me so damn angry, yet so afraid. i just hope that we get our justice and will no longer be afraid that our work will be stolen from us. i really hope so.
Good luck to you! I love how despite everyone calling women "crazy" we so often do not get the medical care we need
I love Petra Collins and have loved her work since 2014, after watching euphoria the lighting reminds me of her work and after this happening i am so shocked and also not surprised but i wish petra directed it cos the impact would be more impactful
Honestly, I think Azalea Banks has been stolen from in the music industry for years
She especially is so easy to dismiss as crazy etc…, like when she said Russell Crow spat at her and RZA threw her under the bus only to later say it was true. Same for her live-tweeting from the Musk household, she was right, but always dismissed.
I don’t like some of the things she has said and done, but she does often speak the truth on things like what you mentioned
She’s an amazing musical talent and doesn’t really have anyone else doing what she does in the level she does it. It’s frustrating that men like Kanye can be considered musical gods and placed on a cultural pedestal for so long while opening courting controversy, but Azaelia only got credit for one great song and then was shunted to the side. Nothing she has said or done has been as bad as Kanye or Bieber at his height of grossness, but if you’re a black woman with shitty takes you don’t get the same opportunities
And in that vein - Diplo always co-ops women’s success. He did it with MIA and azealia. He cannot let WOC experience success without him forcing himself onto every magazine shoot with them and saying he “discovered” or “mentored” them.
@@FrozenAfricaPrincess
Because Russell Crow has a history of spitting on people and act batshit crazy. While Azalea is the most stable person .
Many women are indeed psychotic , just like many men. And back in the day medice wasn’t as good so you was declared “sane” or “insane” and thats it. Men or women. In fact it was mostly men in those institutions
@@betteramulet50
Very vulgar . Her rapping skills are great and her singing is amazing. Talented but her lyrics suck ass and her attitude is awful. At least Cardi B is funny even tho her character is Ratchet Crazy Ass B*tch 101, but funny
sam levinson is like the British Museum of directors, only successful in stealing
Euphoria would've been massively more successful with it's own target audience if they had indeed hired a young female upstart to direct, particularly given that everything breathtaking about the show is all thanks to Petra in the first place.
Its so ironic. The first season was so well knowed. For the sitting and look. Yet now after season 2 that took a new art direction, and left only Levi’s on writing. And it was so terrible. It just show how much he s soo bad and how he got credited for other work.
i'm a woman in STEM, physics specifically, and yes. i can understand how these women must have felt. because it still happens. my opinion is less valued by some professors and peers, i'm always assumed to be "lacking". it's so frustrating. i HAVE to be perfect, my male colleagues can afford to make mistakes, but i can't.
For 2 years in college I went for biomedical engineering before switching to biochem. My intelligence was constantly doubted due to my gender, especially because I was a tattooed woman with bright hair and stretched ears. I still remember my male TA being completely stunned when I got the highest score on an orgo exam. It was grueling.
This video is a great reminder of why no fault divorce is so important...
Levinson also gets the credit where his actors have shaped the characters.
It's legitimately great that he gave Hunter Schafer and the others room to give feedback and suggestions, to push the characters into a more informed, realistic portrayal. Jules's character in season 1 is fantastic because of this - because she is Hunter's creation. But the actors don't get a writing credit or anything. Levinson is largely seen as the "auteur", the genius mind behind it all.
Dont forget Haunter is a men too. Taking place where a real women could be.
Sadly in the industry the credit rarely gets to the people that deserve it. In my opinion the end result is the most important and directors should listen to everyone's opinion on the show. But in reality you're told to mind your own business and later you see your work uncredited. In my op at the end there is your name behind the label of director, so why are they so protective of the free floating ideas idk. You could say in interviews and on social media- hey this person actually helped a lot with this, and your reputation won't be lost at all- the opposite. But I guess they have no self esteem and egos too big for that to happen.
It’s always insane to me when men deny that men just can’t stand it when women are successful
I will never forgive Sam Levinson or Abel for the wreck that the idol turned into:(
Patriarchy is such an amazing invention, it can ruin so many lifes in such diverse ways...
Hearing about this makes so much sense . I remembered being enthralled by euphorias aesthetic but felt the story was lacking. This makes so much sense now.
As a female creative this has happened to me even on a small local scale. It’s so upsetting to see your work stolen and used as a creative direction for a whole company even locally, I can’t even imagine the weight of that on Petra on such a larger scale 😔 thank you for this video and speaking on this topic 🙏
Yayoi kusama who is a thousand times more original revolutionary and subversive than andy warhol could ever be was also plagarized by him. I also believe colette was encouraged by her husband to publish under his name which also meant that she had trouble accessing the earnings that were rightfully hers. A more recent example i can think of is titanic sinclair (😷) ripping off mars argo’s persona for his work with poppy.
thank you so much for this. there needed to be a longer form video discussing who petra collins is and why it was so fucked up what hbo did to her and the way that sam levinson has been taken the credit for single-handedly creating the “euphoria aesthetic” for years now.
If Sam Levinson wasn't a nepo baby maybe he could have become an average adult film director. Poor boy! 😢
I mean, the guy is a weirdo. He’s playing out his fantasy of high schoolers (actual minors) being extremely sexual. With each other. With much older adults. Like degrassi hinted at high schoolers having sex but it always ended up with an STD or pregnancy PSA lmao.
i don't wanna live in a man's world anymore
i must say i never felt (consciously) limited as a woman but this video made me feel i could be capable of greatness in a way i’d never thought before
💯
this is a beautifully made video, but horribly sad content:( I am just so grateful to be a woman
Perhaps I’m extra cynical but Petra’s facial characteristics are very similar to Syd Sweeney’s, and I wouldn’t put it past Levinson to project his own resentment of women via the twisted erotic depictions of their emotional suffering.
being able to adapt Frankenstein into film would be my absolute dream, even if that's so far-fetched, if given the chance, I'd snatch it up in a heartbeat and find other passionate women to help me.
One of my favourite books! I can help you by playing the creature lol XD
The newest Frankenstein tale I saw was the recent movie Birth/Rebirth, a woman-directed and lead story, it's absolutely insane but so great
I once saw a quote that said something to the effect of "behind every strong man there is an even stronger woman", that quote hits very differently these days
Important correction: Heddy Lamar's first name is pronounced "Heady" (short for Hedwig). Her life is incredibly interesting and very much worth checking out. (This is a fab video, btw - thanks for making it!)
It's benumbing that every door ever opened to women is only to be shut in our faces the moment our shit starts going somewhere.
24:22 I CANT help but think of Artemisia Gentileschi
I’m terrible with names so I don’t always remember it but her work is so striking
She’s my fav renaissance painter
Her father painted over a lot of her works to make it more palatable
Season 3 is in the works and I suspect it will be a continuation in the decline of quality in the characters, world building, and overall vibe of the show. As time goes on and they move further away from Petra’s framework of the show (which was apparently the only thing holding it together. Petra’s aesthetics are the main reason it’s so famous), the show will get worse and worse and obviously eventually people will stop tuning in. We all saw how the Idol turned out. It seems like Sam isn’t able to create a good or even coherent tv show from his own creativity. It’s a shame that soon Sam will be responsible for running 2 shows into the ground lmao.
What do you even do with it? S2 is trash but it ends quite neatly.
@@carlycrays2831 That’s what I was wondering. The only “loose thread” was what happened with that woman who gave all of those drugs to Rue? And tbh I’m not willing to sit through a whole other season to find out
I never watched Euphoria, and I don't think I want to. But this story... it rings so true. No matter whether I or anyone else likes a production, it must be ethical. And this stealing - why should I even say it - is unethical. It should have been hers.
This makes me so mad. Also the production company for Euphoria and The Idol, A24, should be called out too. They have this legacy of being a supporter of indie filmmakers, but then did nothing to advocate for the women they likely helped hire to work on these projects. I think if nothing else, A24 is big yet small enough that some public pressure could convince them to change internally vs the network which often gets 100 percent of the blame when it’s more often 60-40.
To be honest, A24 has some great movies, but many of them are such torture porn
Bro, I can't believe that this is the actual reason why the season 2 was so different from season 1. It when from a "teen" show that touched real and hard problematics inside of a fantastic world to a more edgy and generic "teen" show. Even the visual aesthetics changed a lot, now it looks like it wants to replicate 70s indie movie style or maybe the 90s neo modern.
At first I though it was bc Sam Levison realized that after the first season he gained a lot of respect from the academy and the audiencie, so he though he didn't have to write a coherent history anymore or doing a deep dive into the the problematics that wanted to show at first and he could do whatever he wanted bc people would still watch Euphoria. But now I know the thruth, and it's even more disapointing.
Great video with many examples, thank you!! It's so unfair what has been happening. One thing I hate about it, is that because women have been so overlooked and men represented as THE artists and inventors, there is also a kind of internalized misogyny where I find myself deep down being surprised a woman could have done something. I hate it so so much. It impacts the choices women make right now and their confidence, especially if you do not have female role models around you. Kids should get into contact (probably via school) with women who work in these kinds of fields to eliminate any doubts about womens' abilities created by this elimination of women.
Honestly all of this is making me look at Assassination Nation differently which is one of my favorite movies. But between Euphoria & The Idol, he’s stolen the creative vision of women twice so who’s to say he doesn’t have more under his belt. Even worse, the main constant for him is this voyeuristic gaze of young women and girls being sexually abused.
Because Assassination Nation has a rlly good theme of how social media can turn people into savages in some way but is that message even from him?
This amazing video and overall history of women arts being taken away from them reminds me a lot of Lauryn hill time in the fugees as a hip hop fan. When the group dropped their first album it flopped bc according pras Michael (1/3 members) said the label gave pras and wycelf Jean only creative control where they were trying to emulate the gangsta rap of the time in the early 90s, the album flopped so bad they were close to getting dropped but their A&R saved them under the condition of Lauryn given more creative control for their second album. She was the mastermind behind the score from taking inspiration from 1930s-1940s radio shows for cinematic dialogue interludes to combining Caribbean music and hip hop music to adding in her singing more to the different samples and interpretations, not only did it help the score become a huge success but it changed the sound of hip hop forever, but Lauryn barely gets her credit which is insane bc you can hear that on her own solo albums miseducation of Lauryn hill and mtv unplugged 2.0
Artemisia Gentileschi definitely had some of her art credited to others.
Wonderful video! Thank you
I love that you mentioned Katherine Johnson, I go to the university she got her undergrad from and she was such an interesting person!! Our school library has an entire section filled with information and pictures of her and about her life.
Sam Levinson is really the Dr. Luke of tv...
Sam Luke is the best ship of 2023 😂
Literally the best thing about Euphoria, the one thing that makes all the unnecessary exploitative ick remotely palatable, is the aesthetic. Whatever story they lifted from the original Israeli show, it cannot have ever had the impact of Euphoria without Petra's painterly vision... I keep giving Sam Levinson a pass because Euphoria is so beautiful on a purely aesthetic level. Holy crow, this makes SO MUCH sense. NO MORE PASSES FOR SAM!
And the acting, music, sets, cinematography - and Sam was responsible for none of those. He just coasted off the genius of others and credited.
@@lordfreerealestate8302 True! All of those were impeccable.
they just can't let a girl win
Look into Mileva Marić too, she co-authored all of her husband Albert Einstein’s greatest, most influential works.
Wow, I just read up on her and I had no idea! Thank you for referring me, I wish I had known about her to contributions beforehand to include her in this video
it's so amazing that you're talking about this because i would have NEVER known about this. this is insane. i'm going to follow her and support her everywhere now.
Reminds me of how Mars Argo’s persona and creative ideas were stolen and reused by Titanic Sinclair
I still havent watched euphoria because coincidentally this was also my well known aesthetic that id built for years and soon as rhe show came out i couldnt escape people tellinf me i was copying euphoria and it got really annoying especially because at first id never even heard of it
some guy at my uni tried to mansplain photography to me and then I found out he couldn't even develop his own film...lmao embarrassing
So... being egoistic about the knowledge that he thought he had but doesn't.
@@eugenekrabs3837 yes he was being very rude and passive aggressive he was like this throughout the entire time we had to work together, film photography is something that is taught in a-levels (idk what you call this in America but it’s basically when your 16-18 and still in education) we ALL had to pass A-levels or diplomas to be able to enter the particular university we attend he also had a huge ego about his “skills” as a photographer im just saying if your gunna suck your dick about something at least have a broad range of skills
@@talalh7247 correct, he is delusional, unfortunately he has gone on to do a placement year giving him greater opportunities (basically his parents are paying for him to get a head start into the industry) I do not have this privilege of rich parents therefore I must teach myself new skills in order to surpass all these nepo ass adult toddlers
Your essay is to me a cherry on top of what i've been investigating lately.. It is incredible what our society could look like in the eyes of young girls if they were not deprived of so many great role models. To be honest, i work within several fields of art for many years now, however, I always remain hidden behind male pseudonyms precisely to prevent my work from being associated with what i -- in my skewed perception -- perceived as "made by a woman":/ As if "made by a man" [subconsciously] ennobled the work to the position of human art, gender neutral, deeply philosophical, devoid of these stereotypical "female perspectives". Because, you know, man equals human, bs.
Thank you so much for this video
Thank you for watching 🥰
Hi, loved this deep dive into the history of womens work, and would like to expand a bit into Sofonisba's story.
Alonso Sánchez Coello wasn't a front to hide Sofonisba Anguissola's work. He himself was one of the court painters, and they collaborated often. In fact, the way we redescovered her work was by realizing that Alonso's paintings were oddly inconsistent in style (a.k.a. in reality half of them weren't actually done by him, but by Sofonisba). Most of their paintings aren't signed because no one really signed their work back then. In life she was extremely apppreciated and well regarded, but after her death she was forgotten and her artwork began to be misattributed, since she wasn't the official court painter. It's been wonderful to see her back in the history books where she belongs.
I’m outraged as a fellow creative. This is one of my worst fears when sharing my work with “higher ups.” I will not be watching any more Euphoria going forward.