5 Biggest Waste Of Money Bike Things We've Bought

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  • @onyong123
    @onyong123 Год назад +60

    Saddle bag for every bike… usually with a tube for the kind of bike I’m riding.. bigger tube for gravel bike. Getting all my kit together and bottles and airing up the tires is enough work already that getting a saddle bag swapped over is just one thing I’d like to not think about.

  • @christianb.1028
    @christianb.1028 Год назад +25

    It's so much fun to listen to you two and getting the confirmation that I'm not the only idiot out there who buys stupid shit for some perceived reason only to realize later that you didn't really need it in the first place...

  • @dperreno
    @dperreno Год назад +21

    I am also a member of the one-per-bike club. Lost my Arundel bag filled with goodies on my latest gravel ride. Ouch! Gotta replace them all now... Also for me, seats and shoes. I've gone through so many not-inexpensive seats! Still not completely satisfied. I've finally settled on Shimano shoes and I'm pretty happy with them. But I've suffered through years of discomfort with just about every other brand...

  • @AndrewCoakley
    @AndrewCoakley Год назад +5

    8:52 100% agreed on this one, Francis. Don't go all in on something you're not sure about, or are just testing - particularly when there are "good enough" quality versions available for a fraction of the price. Once you've decided you like the fit (or whatever), upgrade to the expensive version and keep the tester in your "just in case" stock - or donate it to a bike refurbishing business/charity

  • @saysthetedd
    @saysthetedd Год назад +14

    I bought a dropper post for my gravel bike and I think it's one of the best upgrades I've ever made. If you're riding tame terrain, sure, it's overkill. But for any serious descending, it's a game changer.

    • @stephenkohler3472
      @stephenkohler3472 Год назад +3

      I did the same thing and found myself using it the most when I'm in the drops for a long time. I'll just barely bleed off about 1/4" and It makes a huge difference in comfort.

    • @lupitlupitan
      @lupitlupitan Год назад +2

      Matej Mojoric won a monument because of dropper seatpost. And that’s road bike

    • @shorehelical
      @shorehelical Год назад +2

      Best upgrade on my gravel bike!

    • @ianwilliamrobertson
      @ianwilliamrobertson 2 месяца назад

      Ditto, especially the axs post that is a bit of suspension when slightly dropped.

  • @mickyturnbull236
    @mickyturnbull236 Год назад +8

    I have 2 saddle bags exactly the same, 1 on my road bike and 1 on my mtb with exactly the same tubeless repair kit, glueless patches, back up lights and multi tool. Also I have a camelback backpack, a bigger osprey backpack and a osprey hip pack. With the same tubeless repair kit in those aswell, my bags contents is literally juplicated so I know which ever bike or bag I have everything I need 😁

  • @mattfenn1373
    @mattfenn1373 Год назад +2

    You're absolutely spot on re pumps and saddle bags......I've managed to do away with the saddle bag - mostly due to them not working with a rear light

  • @goonzjav
    @goonzjav Год назад +1

    You want to try Bonts Jimmi if you're looking for heat mouldable and have wide or weird feet. Love mine.

  • @_vinceverano
    @_vinceverano Год назад +4

    Team no saddle bags here 🤣 I only bring a mini pump, patch kit, tire levers, and allen keys but just the ones i might need (because multitools are heavier 🤣). All of these are in my jersey's middle back pocket.

    • @frankzijnsofa
      @frankzijnsofa 3 месяца назад

      It's all fun and games until you fall really hard on your back.
      Never putting anything solid besides my flat phone in my pockets again.

  • @b145701s
    @b145701s Год назад +1

    But if i switch it will no longer match the bike? Stupid question, all my bikes (3 bikes + 1 commuter) are ready to go. Ive got several clip on tri bars cause i want matching bar tape..

  • @xXSgtJackXx
    @xXSgtJackXx Год назад +10

    Not even going to lie, im 100% guilty of buying new stuff on the bike just to get some motivation to ride it lol
    But ive never spent it on expensive components, just new grips, new jersey, new gloves

  • @GallardoFreak888
    @GallardoFreak888 Год назад

    I standardized my saddle bag I use Topeaks one that clips to the saddle and then wraps around the seat post. I switch it between my 4 Bikes. Also ATM, don’t need to worry about inner tube sizing since all my bikes atm can only handle up to 28c and that’s the size of the inner tube I carry.

  • @Demand68
    @Demand68 Год назад +4

    For stems and saddles a system of borrowing makes perfect sense. For stems I’m sure a decent LBS will be happy to help, imagine their collection of cheap used stems that were replaced over the years.

    • @petermyers4409
      @petermyers4409 Год назад +1

      I borrowed saddles from my LBS before buying one. They had dedicated saddles for that purpose 👍

  • @TimIrwin26
    @TimIrwin26 Год назад +2

    Currently only have road & mountain, so different bags & spares. Assuming multiple road bikes, I would still want different bags. I hate faffing about putting everything on before a ride and I'm likely to forget something anyway.

  • @SteezyG
    @SteezyG 2 месяца назад

    I have one bag that has transferrable essentials but i swap over a different inner tube. I did have mutlple sets in the past but i make the perfect bike bag that I dont want anything different

  • @cb6866
    @cb6866 Год назад

    Thanks Francis and Jimmi and Emily...I am very lucky to have 3 bikes , road , grvl and mtb . I have fully kitted seat bags on all but mtb , and I move a Silca pump between em . No V.G here ..

  • @cycling-john
    @cycling-john Год назад

    No saddle bag on my bike. I'm running Pirelli P-Zero TLR tires with Enve Foundation 45 wheels (tubless). The tires are so hard to put on, I can't do it without heating the tire up.

  • @peterobinson4389
    @peterobinson4389 Год назад

    Mine has been saddles and trying to find the perfect fit. I finally found one then outfitted each bike with the same saddle.

  • @thejeffinvade
    @thejeffinvade Год назад

    I have 3 bikes, one for commuting and two road bikes, a summer one and a winter one. My commuter bike is always ready to go. But I switches saddle bag, bottle cages, front light mount, cell phone mount, and bell between my road bikes. And during the shoulder season I will switch them multiple times depending on the weather.

  • @HanOfGod13
    @HanOfGod13 Год назад +2

    Gloves....spent a lot of money trying to find a pair of gloves that would keep my hands warm.

  • @iMadrid11
    @iMadrid11 Год назад +2

    If you have different tire size bikes. You have no choice but to get a separate saddle bag, spares, pump and tools for it.
    I have a 26er commuter and 700c road bike. The 26er has a pannier bag for spares, pump and tools. The 700c bike has its own saddle bag.
    I used to have just one hand pump. But I had to buy a second pump for the road bike. Because I would always forget to bring the hand pump left from the other bike. I also don’t like bringing a slightly bigger hand pump on the back of my jersey. So I bought a road compact hand pump with the bottle cage mount.
    If you have a saddle bag, pump, spares and tools for each bike. You could just ride and go on each bike with less worries. I also don’t obsess like Francis to have the same high quality matching tools for each bike. As long as it’s still functional. I only replace stuff when they break.

  • @saint_piran
    @saint_piran Год назад +3

    Definitely one set of spares per bike (plus extra mini pumps and multi tools!).

  • @kcvfr400
    @kcvfr400 2 месяца назад

    1 per bike for sadlee bag, with spares and tools. Especially quick links as I have different speed bikes. Pump is universal though for me.

  • @davelloyd8454
    @davelloyd8454 Год назад

    Great stuff guys. So so so true!
    Saddles for me.

  • @andyamos8594
    @andyamos8594 Год назад

    Mini pumps and worse , multi tools galore! Not just for the bike but the car, the tool box, the kitchen draw, the box of camping kit, beach kit, they are everywhere!

  • @colinfisher2463
    @colinfisher2463 Год назад

    One a saddle bag but lots of attachment points on each bike, cheaper and easy to transfer across. Just have to remember to change inner tubes depending on wheels/tyres.

  • @pxatzis
    @pxatzis Год назад

    AS I hear this video ......I have a tab searching for saddle bag for my winter/commuter bike the it's currently rocking the one from the carbon road bike that is unused for a month or so.

  • @K777John
    @K777John Год назад

    I swap my saddle bag between my road bike and gravel bike-but my mtb has its own because I use a tool bottle on that. I have thought of fitting a dropper post to my gravel bike as occasionally I ride it on trails where the downhill feels like I am going over the front. My hardtail mtb has a dropper which hardly ever gets used. The pump dilemma is overcome by the fact that I use a frame pump and swap it whichever bike I am riding. I have 3 pairs of shoes, Road, Cyclocross, and Mtb-all with spd cleats so I can wear any of my shoes on all of my bikes.

  • @frank215
    @frank215 Год назад

    I resonate greatly with tinkering as being part of the hobby. I enjoy spec'ing and building my bikes, while also resisting the N+1 curse.

  • @cvandonderen
    @cvandonderen Год назад +1

    The worst thing about the shoes is that you're not allowed to put cleats on them before returning. I'd had some which feel fine to put on, and about 30 seconds after clicking in I noticed they weren't going to work for me. Annoying.

  • @aidanmasterson50
    @aidanmasterson50 Год назад +2

    Tool bottle for the winter. Drink less in the winter so just swap the tool bottle from bike to bike. In the summer on summer bike. It’s back pocket.

  • @lazylonewolf
    @lazylonewolf 11 месяцев назад

    So glad to hear I wasn't the only one thinking of getting a separate saddle bag for separate bikes. In my defense though, they're in different tire sizes (20" and 27.5").

  • @sammcclanahan3291
    @sammcclanahan3291 3 месяца назад

    I “only” have 2 bikes but they both have saddle bags with tubes, tool, etc. I do move CO 2 cartridges from bike to bike.

  • @chnyuk
    @chnyuk Год назад

    i do have one bike only and i’m starting to build a decent finish kit to be able to swap frames, i was like wow have i cracked the code when that’d come to my mind

  • @mountainsofthemind
    @mountainsofthemind Год назад

    One per bike (5 - gravel, mtb, multiple road bikes). No faff switching between bikes (or forgetting to) before going out the door, plus different stuff for each bike. (Tubeless / tubes; if tubed then size & valve length correct for each bike).

  • @Silidons91
    @Silidons91 Год назад

    I have two main bikes that I ride - my gravel bike and my road bike. I have a separate saddlebag for each lol, with their own multitool etc in them. I only did that because I've forgotten to switch a few times...and found myself having anxiety if I got a flat far from home with no tools lol.

  • @rodolfocarrillo6166
    @rodolfocarrillo6166 Год назад

    I own several bikes and only have one "flat kit" but I do have spare inner tubes strapped to all my bikes.

  • @ninjabortion
    @ninjabortion Год назад

    Oneup pump with the tools built in, and a holder for it on every bike. I carry a small pouch in my pocket with axs battery, tape, bandages, weird little things. Every bike gets a fitting spare tube and levers attached full time.

  • @mathewrose2951
    @mathewrose2951 4 месяца назад

    One per bike is only as useful as your ability to keep up with everything. I need to change my chain, only to realize that all three of my chain breakers somehow are in the basement of my summer house in the US while my road bike and I are in South America.

  • @perrysimo1
    @perrysimo1 Год назад

    I have a mountain bike and a gravel bike and each has its own mini pump, lights, tool cannister, frame bags with spare tubes and cable ties, bell, bar mounts for Garmin computer and gps, have I forgotten something? I love buying new stuff and don’t get me started on clothing😂

  • @simonf2220
    @simonf2220 Год назад +2

    I have a set of spares, pump and tools etc, per bike. I only have two bikes though.

  • @jopa_ryds
    @jopa_ryds Год назад

    That's so funny about stems. My GF and I have only been into cycling for about 6 months, already we have a collection of stems! 2 unsused for me and 1 for her, so far!

  • @MegaSixpac
    @MegaSixpac 6 месяцев назад

    Now you mention the guitar we have not heard that for a long time Francis.

  • @kokonanana1
    @kokonanana1 Год назад

    I also have a stem collection. And a saddle collection!!!

  • @huddelracing
    @huddelracing 15 дней назад

    I have all my bikes ready with a set of tubes, pumps, tools. Switching confused me.

  • @GeekonaBike
    @GeekonaBike Год назад

    More bikes than I can count & I use a bum bag & only switch the tube to match the bike. I am considering two bum bags for MtB & a gravel/road bag.

  • @tobimaxx
    @tobimaxx Год назад

    Yes have a saddle bag and pump on every bike with all the gubbins inside. When one of the bags broke I kept forgetting to switch the bag and end up riding without any spares. Thus having an anxiety ride and not enjoying it🤦🏼‍♂️

  • @paulbateman
    @paulbateman Год назад

    I just put 11 gauge strings on my Strat. Feels pretty good in Eb aye............anyway back to bikes

  • @lomicwind
    @lomicwind Год назад

    One per bike as my 2 (yes only 2) bikes are too different for the saddle bag to contain the right stuff for each one (mainly the spare tube : old XC MTB 26// gravel 700c).

  • @chrisjones6699
    @chrisjones6699 Год назад

    What Patagonia jacket is that? That’s nice!

  • @owensnicholas
    @owensnicholas Год назад +2

    Yeah, see, I bought a pair of shoes that expensive, and I think they were one of the best purchases I’ve made. They unlocked longer distances for me and I’ve ridden them for thousands and thousands of miles.
    But, like you said, fit first. They were pricey, but I tried them on the bike in the shop and knew they were right.
    I added G8 insoles at James’s recommendation, and they’re amazing. But they made my shoes even more expensive. 😂

  • @livibam
    @livibam Год назад

    Moulding a shoe with the handle of a screwdriver is the trick, had 6 pairs of Bonts over the years. A custom insole is also critical.
    I also have one of everything sat here, chains etc. that’s what my C2W gets used for. Topping up on tires and that.

  • @balazs_korcsog
    @balazs_korcsog 3 месяца назад

    Same thing with the saddle bags. Bike has to be ready. If i have to faff with it before a ride might as well not go xd

  • @luigibrioschi970
    @luigibrioschi970 2 месяца назад

    I personally have one set of spares for each of my bikes, which in total comes at one set of spares 😁
    But when I had 4 road bikes and 2 old mtbs in my garage I used to have at least a bag with inner tubes, tire levers and patches/glue for each of them.

  • @saskhiker3935
    @saskhiker3935 Год назад

    I had a bike fit and they let me try out stems and return them if it wasn't right fit.

  • @Epiqe
    @Epiqe Год назад

    I have just one minipump, multitool, 1x spare tube, plugs for tubeless punctures, 60ml of TLE milk and patches for tube in saddle bag (0.8l from Zéfal)

  • @timolheiser7874
    @timolheiser7874 Год назад

    Buy once cry once? My vice is saddles for my Triathlon bike, and mountain bike to try to replace the saddle I found so comfortable, but is worn out. Oh, and bike locks. One for vehicle bike carrier, one for locking your bike downtown, one for locking bike at school.

  • @lesliereissner4711
    @lesliereissner4711 Год назад

    One of my saddle bags has a wonderful little attachment so you can just twist it on and off. When I was looking to get more of the attachments for my other bikes, they were so expensive it was cheaper to have one saddle bag per bike instead on the four bikes I ride regularly. They all have mini pumps on the frame. Of the seven other bikes I ride less often, I have one saddle bag that I switch between them. And I always forget to bring the damn minipump.

  • @jdmcdorce876
    @jdmcdorce876 Год назад

    Maybe my dedication and sense of pride is questionable, but I recently ditched my saddle bag. I always ride with my mobile phone in my jersey pocket and have someone who is willing to come get me and my bike if needed. Compressor wins over hand pump every time and lightened my bike by about a kg in the process.

  • @br5380
    @br5380 Год назад

    Each bike is ready to go, all with frame bags and their own tools, spares etc.
    Enduro FS, Trail FS, gravel & bikepacking HT.

  • @JacobSkriver
    @JacobSkriver Год назад

    One pump, one tubeless repair kit. Both go into the rear pocket no matter what bike I select

  • @markj.a351
    @markj.a351 Год назад

    I keep multiple spares of everything and in some cases the spares are higher spec.
    I started doing this when a spoke on my almost new wheels broke the day before my cycling trip.
    I don’t consider it a waste of money though.

  • @ryancraig2795
    @ryancraig2795 Год назад

    I've got 2 bikes, 2 saddle bags, 2 multi tools, 2 patch kits, 2 mini pumps. 2 much hassle to switch them every time

  • @stuartfreedman6854
    @stuartfreedman6854 Год назад +1

    How about $85 bottle cages (2) and a $50 Bell. Guilty.

  • @rolandcolavizza5368
    @rolandcolavizza5368 Год назад +1

    my biggest waste of money was buying a full suspension mountain bike if all you gonna do is ride off road , you will be better off with a hard tail , or a gravel bike and it will be faster aswell , unless you doing world cup single track

  • @charlesblithfield6182
    @charlesblithfield6182 Год назад

    Jimmy is really into something. If retailers allowed borrowing of parts like stems and seats and handlebars of various shapes, once the decision was made maybe retailer margins could be higher and consumers have a better result. I bought a cheaper SMP saddle cause it’s a radical shape change and now know I can get a premium one in that shape, but wish I don’t have to make two purchases (althought the cheap one is on my town bike it’s still good). I had a bad experience getting a Brooks Cambium - Everyone raves about their comfort but it didn’t suit me even though I got it deeply discounted at ChainReaction it was still expensive, so now I have a brand new Brooks saddle I don’t want.

  • @darrelduke
    @darrelduke Год назад

    every bike is fully kitted. the only things i move are lights (i don't use these much), the wahoo and a mini pump.

  • @nickireed796
    @nickireed796 Год назад

    Yes. Absolutely have saddle bags mini pumps mini tools and spare tubes coming out of my arse. In fact, just tried my latest mini pump and have decided it’s rubbish. Will I go back to a previous one? Hell, no, because I have the sickness! Take my money!!!!

  • @Bazza1968
    @Bazza1968 Год назад +1

    Wahoo "Steer" for RGT.....feckin useless now eh and they won't take it back!!

  • @MtKrybnik13
    @MtKrybnik13 Год назад

    I hava one, small, kind of aero, 2l backpack. Works great on road and on XC. I can put there my phone, keys, some money, small CrankBros pump, multitool, road 25mm tube(fits also with 28mm tires) and 2 CO2 tanks, and if I'm going to cross the border, cause I live in Poland, close to Czech border, a small walet with ID card. And it has two external pockets, so I can put there food for longer rides. I've get rid off any saddle bags, cause they look terrible, especially on my two top spec Canyon's Ultimate CFR eTap and Lux WC CFR LTD.

  • @guymichaelwoolcott54
    @guymichaelwoolcott54 Год назад

    3 bikes with a full saddle bag on each one, along with the Garmin mount and quad lock. It's a disease, but fun. I agree with Jimmy I just want to grab a bike and ride it.

  • @geetee4037
    @geetee4037 Год назад

    Do you guys not sell stuff?

  • @Servicevelo
    @Servicevelo Год назад +1

    One tiny bag under the saddle of each bike. All with….
    Tube to match rim x 1
    Co2 and applicator x 1
    Split link x 1
    Tyre lever x1
    Tiny multi tool x 1
    £5.00 note x 1
    All good.

    • @enigma1000
      @enigma1000 Год назад

      You forgot the tyre boot. Or just use the £5 plastic note….
      What if you get two punctures? My record, in very wet weather, is six.

  • @genacca7169
    @genacca7169 Год назад

    Don't want to have to reattach the saddlebag every time I change my bike. It's annoying and they also get dirty while riding and then the zipper doesn't work anymore and the thing breaks and everything falls out.. -_-
    I've been using tool bottles for a while now and I'm very happy with them. Ok, they take up a bottle cage, but you can easily change them and they don't get so dirty and they don't break. I combine them with an oversized water bottle (1 liter) and have done really well with it so far.

  • @ggcadc
    @ggcadc Год назад

    Several spares across my bikes. Oneup EDC pump and tools on anything that touches dirt.

  • @mrrodriguezHLP
    @mrrodriguezHLP Год назад

    I only buy Campagnolo. I am a man of culture who appreciates a certain 'tu-tunk' in his shifting. I pay for groupsets that cost hundreds more than their Shimano/SRAM equivalent.

  • @donovanrice2671
    @donovanrice2671 Год назад

    I have a fix kit/spares for every bike… ready to go

  • @terniq7629
    @terniq7629 Год назад

    I have a set of spares per bike- otherwise I'll likely forget something important on my way out and worry about not being able to fix a flat for the rest of my ride

  • @quadraproptic
    @quadraproptic Год назад +1

    3 bikes, 3 sets of spares/repair kits.

  • @richdyer2000
    @richdyer2000 Год назад

    Thing is, with tubeless and the improved reliability of 1x transmissions, just taking a 50€/£ note in case you need a taxi is probably the META for anything but the longest rides.

    • @paddyotoole2058
      @paddyotoole2058 Год назад +1

      There’s something about this comment that irritates me. I think it is the fact that you are simply taking the easy way / bail out option, rather than being self sufficient. Any numpty can do what you are suggesting. But being able to encounter a mechanical problem on the road and fix that on the fly to get yourself home without any third party help, well there’s a certain amount of pride and respect as a cyclist in being able to do that.

  • @paulcollier5909
    @paulcollier5909 Год назад

    I have multiple bikes and every bike have its own pump and spares pouch complete with matching tools on each bike. As like you guys I just want to grab the bike i want to ride that day and not faf around swapping bits between bikes.

  • @vladimirkirillovskiy8056
    @vladimirkirillovskiy8056 5 месяцев назад

    "Subscription model" - now I can explain my life and hobbies :)

  • @HoBeauATL
    @HoBeauATL 5 месяцев назад

    Eight bikes & eight complete kits! Grab and go…. I only have one computer and it moves bike to bike. Found great comfort in knowing there are other obsessive compulsive riders in this world.

  • @enigma1000
    @enigma1000 Год назад

    Saddles. Countless saddles. I spent lockdown selling them on eBay. But the number is creeping up again. And bikes. I got it down to five but now back up to eight.

  • @Mickthemove_
    @Mickthemove_ Год назад +1

    Did Jimmy used to Race.......he never mentions it

  • @br5380
    @br5380 Год назад

    Wearing stuff out. Roadie colleagues at work manage years before they need to replace drivetrain components, and they’re cheap when they need to do it. Now compare that to 12 speed enduro riding.
    And Scotland, so odds on it’s wet, rocky, muddy.

  • @simonooink940
    @simonooink940 Год назад

    Id be able to build up the finest bike for the price of that dropper post how do yall not run second hand stuff

  • @shepshape2585
    @shepshape2585 Год назад

    I haven't spent money on most of the things you mentioned, but I do like a good pair of shoes. Currently I'm rocking the Giro Empire SLX in carbon black. Interestingly though, I didn't pay for them directly. I had an older pair of lace up Giro shoes that were $350 retail and I found them on sale for $200. Wore those for about three years and the boa broke so badly that it couldn't be fixed. Called Giro, told them how long I'd had the shoes and what happened, and without hesitation he offered me the Empire SLX shoes for free as a replacement. They retail for $375! I was shocked. They weren't under warranty, but Giro is like that I guess. Anyone else have experience with this company? Made me a customer for sure. By the way, super nice shoes. Very comfortable, very stiff, and they look amazing in my opinion.

  • @donavinnezar
    @donavinnezar Год назад

    I only have 1 bike lmao. But i would be taking my tools from bike to bike coz i tend to ride with a hydration pack and that usually contains my tools

  • @PauloSerra
    @PauloSerra Год назад

    I do the 1 per bike thing as well 😆

  • @AndysAverageAdventures
    @AndysAverageAdventures Год назад

    Each bike has its own saddlebag I got on a discount sale. Never pay full price

  • @MazingerZX
    @MazingerZX Год назад

    Got 4 saddle bags all fully packed for each specific type of bike. We are a lazy lot.

  • @neilwallace8989
    @neilwallace8989 Год назад

    4 road bikes and 4 identical saddle bags with identical spares/tool kits. You are far from alone 😂

  • @steve101968
    @steve101968 Год назад

    I throw my road saddle into my mountain bike backpack. Mountain bike back pack has other stuff in it.

  • @mrjames7246
    @mrjames7246 Год назад

    1 bag for winter rim brake bike and 1 saddle bag for tubeless.

  • @UTemHorns
    @UTemHorns Год назад

    I have a set of spares, pump and tools etc, per bike. I only have 7 bikes though.

  • @brettrobertson2744
    @brettrobertson2744 Год назад

    No one’s got time to change saddle bags

  • @donwinston
    @donwinston Год назад

    I'm semi normal. I have new bike for riding outside and one old bike for my inside smart trainer. I live in an urban area, no off-road cycling available.

  • @jacobmaldonado3951
    @jacobmaldonado3951 4 месяца назад

    Saddle bag ready to go for all three bikes

  • @thejonesy01
    @thejonesy01 Год назад

    Glad its not just me!