Forgot to link the quoted videos: How to get Germans to speak German to you: ruclips.net/video/hi-MkFULqNU/видео.html Reverse culture shock: ruclips.net/video/vr7ycCDXDts/видео.html
I lived in Germany for a year and it was a living hell for me. Germany has cold weather and cold hearted people. Infact my freezer is warmer than Germans. Leaving Naziland was the best decision of my life. I have lived in the US as well however the racism in Germany is crazy.
As someone who was born and raised in Austria with immigrant parents, I know about the different ways of discrimination always present, at any age and stage in your life. The "good Ausländer" are also never fully accepted. There is always this subtle things that make you realise that they have a certain hierarchy that you can't climb no matter if you have a good job or german skills. There is mostly the divide into groups of Ausländer and natives, starting from childhood on.
Unfortunately this is the case in every society for immigrants. It's only tempered by time and exposure, as cultures assimilate and diverge. You can try to combat "racism" or whatever you like to call it (i prefer xenophobia), but this is just the nature of immigration: You are not one of them. You will never be one of them. Neither are you of your "own people" anymore. You are carrying the seeds of a new pseudo-culture that is like neither one or the other. Your grandchildren may not be seen as immigrants, but they will not be the same as a native. It's the same as with people with regional identities from areas that were culturally distinct before nationalist identities0 became popularized as concept, in the late 1700's. Some of these areas are still very distinct, such as Bavaria, Dalmatia, Wales, Brittany or Silesia. Immigration is similar. It's not right or wrong, it's just how human society organizes itself.
Thank! Finally someone who gets what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying you shouldn't adapt, I'm saying that you'll still be an alien forever, more or less. And that you need to accept that but still try to make friends, be a part of society etc. It's harder but not impossible. And nothing feels better than being integrated at the end of the day. To know that, even if it's not enough, people who want and support you here.
Bitte was? Hast du Lack gesoffen? Ich rede von meiner persönlichen Erfahrung. Entgegen deiner unqualifizierten Meinung bin ich absolut nicht woke aber ist halt scheiße, wenn man nicht bis drei zählen und auch nicht zuhören kann. Der dümmliche Username sagt auch alles.
@@LearnGermanorcrytrying Ich hätte dich auch nicht als woke betitelt, sondern eher als normie ich glaube das würde dich besser beschreiben. Was ist denn an meinem Username dümmlich?
Completely wrong in my opinion. My mother is a Ausländer, but i was born here, just for reference. You need to try to be a good "Ausländer". Put in effort to learn Deutsch. Don't carry around knives or get in fights. Actually work a job. You don't have to like the German culture but at least respect it. The bad ones (working age, violent and/or unwilling to work, muslim boys and men) getting so numerous is exactly why the resentment is growing. But if people notice you like their country want to integrate, are not violent, are trying to contribute to society and learn the German language you will quickly win most of them over. But policies that will most likely come in the next few years will include: Instant Abschiebung of anyone who was violent or otherwise criminal(theft etc.) or people with any ISIS or other similar proven affiliation with terror groups Freezing of any financial support at first if they are unwilling to work or pass German language threshold tests after a certain time period(B2 for example) And then after another time period for those that still don't manage to integrate into society (pass language thresholds and hold a job), will be sent home. Ticket paid for, first class. I don't think most immigrants would even oppose those policies.....
@@ineax7447 Way to strawman my comment. The out of the worst immigrants we have, most of them young muslim men It's a fact and everyone knows it. Even the head-in-sand people like you know it, they prefer to tippy-toe around it though. I (probably unlike you) have muslim friends and none of what I said any of them would disagree with.
@@Goriaas I feel like it's always the people who actually have secular muslim friends that realize what these puritan muslim immigrants bring to society (or have the courage to state it). It's funny hwo all the hard working secular muslim from the middle study or invest a lot into their careers to be able to come to europe, just to find the same people here as the ones they are trying to run away from in their hoem countries (bonus: the puritans are also jsut leaching off benefits here)
@@Goriaas my comment was not about your comment as a whole but about you generally equating bad with muslim. Adding muslim to the attributes you mentioned was unnecessary and "the bad ones" can have any religion or no religion at all. Even Ausländer hating on Ausländer is really sad to see.
Im an Auslander myself here ,but I really find this German self flagellation a bit weird to be honest. I can totally understand German anxiety about competition for resources (jobs/social services etc) , I dont agree with the causes or the outcomes ,but the one thing I really wont do is just blithely call people racist or right wing . Its not in any constructive, and I think a certain type of Germans just throw it around for clout. I honestly find the Germans who are hostile to my face more honest, and they can usually be brought around with a joke in broken B2 Deutsch anyway
The problem exists though. And I don't want to search one year longer for an apartment just because of my family name. It's stupid, and people who think less of someone bc of their heritage or name or skin color are just that, racist.
@@LearnGermanorcrytrying so if you had to choose between helping a family member and a random stranger o nthe street, you'd choose the random stranger?
Ich ne Polin eines Tages bei Stuttgart, wurde als ne Ossi(!) (jetze bin ich sogar😂) eingestuft und deswegen mein Rucksack sollte auch durchgesucht werden, bis heute habe ich keine Ahnung: a. Wie die nich gerafft hatten dass ich ne Polin bin b. Woher die Idee mit der Ossi🤔
Great Video. good points. One thing to consider is that europeans have colonised the world and never really tried to fit in very well, just transplanted their culture. So you can expect that the immigrants coming to Germany will bring their own culture and language. And this is sad for Germany because it was not a major colonial power. As a Bosnian I will also move to Germany if I ever run out of money, like half my family already has. Unlike my family I would milk the place and come back to my country because I dont hold out hope that I could ever be considered a German and fully fit in. And how can you ever fit into any European country? It would take 5 generations to properly be accepted as an ethnic German. If you're white. + you need to be called Herman or Gunter. And I would never do that to my kids. Maybe it would be easier to assimilate into a more similar culture. Like a Swede could become an ethnic German in 2 generations and a Bosnian could become an ethnic Slovenian in 2 generations. But it would take a Bosnian 5 generations to become an ethnic German. And a Nigerian would need like 15 generations to become an ethnic German. So good luck to anyone non-european migrating to europe. You will need it.
I once lived a time abroad, and I strictly followed two rules. 1. I never said something negative about the country I lived in front of natives, 2. I did not stay very long but I learned the basics of the national language. That's all what I expect from an immigrant.
I moved to Germany 2 years ago with zero knowlege of German. I would not say that it was essential to know it. It is still managable with knowing only English. But in order to properly integrate you absolutely have to know German. It becomes way way easier when you know it at least to B1 level. Also I noticed that you cannot learn it automatically just by living in Germany. I need to put a lot of work into it, there is really no easy way it seems.
27:55 ok, the ideal picture would be to come speaking German, but the timing in real life doesn't match. If you find a job from abroad (with no mandatory deutsch), everything is relatively "fast". Closing deals in your home country, leaving your home, saving money, a lots of errands, etc. I think its quite difficult to come speaking B2 unless your plan has been drawn up much, much earlier (1.5 to 2 years). I don't know if anyone plans their life like that, unless they're German ahaha
and I don't want to sound rude, but you moved within the same neighbourhood (EU). It is not fair to compare your situation with that of a family that comes from other continent 😊
Yes, basically you have to be superhuman. The thing is, you need some sort of good foundation, and you can get there in a few months. But you need to prep. I have met many students and coworkers who just came here with ZERO German knowledge. And that really is not a good choice. You can do *something* before you start working here etc. It's not like it's humanly impossible to learn a few basics. (I am not talking about refugees here)
*ex yugo joined the chat* we move to germany in such quantities german is the 2nd foreign language in many schools Authorities enabling the brain drain 🎉
But legit tho it helps a lot if you just get it to a2 at least. Goethe institutes exist around the world and prices are adapted to the standard of the country. Do the course and certification home and with a2 you legit get most of the day to day conversations covered and people are by default warmer because youre not starteling them with unexpected english right awqy
If you're an immigrant, yes. If you're a refugee... Depends. Personally, I get why you'd want to be in Germany rather than Italy, but if you come here over Italy, our law states you need to stay there. However, IRL this doesn't work and it's hurting the people who already immigrated and need our support too.
@@LearnGermanorcrytrying Ok. Half of the things you said, did not make any sense. Is there a way you could rephase the statement(s) ? Just in case it is not clear, this applies to the immigrants/refugees all over the globe, including Italy and Germany. An immigrant should intregrate with the local population and not the other way around and that is under any circumstances.
@@LearnGermanorcrytrying I read my comment over again, and it really sounds rude. I am sorry. Please accept my apologies. And belive me, when I wrote it, it did not sound anywhere near as bad. My point remains the same, but sorry for the awful tonal usage.
Nu-s de acord cu nimic din ce spune fata asta. Salutari din Ausland-ul cu energie nucleara si strazi sigure noaptea. Cred ca o sa raman pe aici. Noroc nemtilor, o sa aveti nevoie.
someone comes to another country, dont want to learn the language und try to push their culture above the local one and complain. why should locals accept it? i regret all resourses which were spent for this useless topic, fake facts and poor argumentation.
What's fake is your comment, because nowhere in the video do I suggest any of your utterly stupid assumptions which you made, of course, without asking even once.
More like did you see what my fellow distant community were bullshiting on the media stage the other day back in the Middle East? I'm not like those losers 😂
Forgot to link the quoted videos:
How to get Germans to speak German to you: ruclips.net/video/hi-MkFULqNU/видео.html
Reverse culture shock: ruclips.net/video/vr7ycCDXDts/видео.html
I lived in Germany for a year and it was a living hell for me.
Germany has cold weather and cold hearted people.
Infact my freezer is warmer than Germans.
Leaving Naziland was the best decision of my life.
I have lived in the US as well however the racism in Germany is crazy.
If you don’t mind my asking, Where are you from originally?
@@ChiquitaMia-ci2vg Australia
As someone who was born and raised in Austria with immigrant parents, I know about the different ways of discrimination always present, at any age and stage in your life. The "good Ausländer" are also never fully accepted. There is always this subtle things that make you realise that they have a certain hierarchy that you can't climb no matter if you have a good job or german skills. There is mostly the divide into groups of Ausländer and natives, starting from childhood on.
Unfortunately this is the case in every society for immigrants. It's only tempered by time and exposure, as cultures assimilate and diverge.
You can try to combat "racism" or whatever you like to call it (i prefer xenophobia), but this is just the nature of immigration: You are not one of them. You will never be one of them. Neither are you of your "own people" anymore. You are carrying the seeds of a new pseudo-culture that is like neither one or the other. Your grandchildren may not be seen as immigrants, but they will not be the same as a native.
It's the same as with people with regional identities from areas that were culturally distinct before nationalist identities0 became popularized as concept, in the late 1700's. Some of these areas are still very distinct, such as Bavaria, Dalmatia, Wales, Brittany or Silesia. Immigration is similar. It's not right or wrong, it's just how human society organizes itself.
Thank! Finally someone who gets what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying you shouldn't adapt, I'm saying that you'll still be an alien forever, more or less. And that you need to accept that but still try to make friends, be a part of society etc. It's harder but not impossible. And nothing feels better than being integrated at the end of the day. To know that, even if it's not enough, people who want and support you here.
So this is what it looks like when a person watches too much public service broadcasting and forms a political opinion from it. It hurts.
Bitte was? Hast du Lack gesoffen? Ich rede von meiner persönlichen Erfahrung. Entgegen deiner unqualifizierten Meinung bin ich absolut nicht woke aber ist halt scheiße, wenn man nicht bis drei zählen und auch nicht zuhören kann. Der dümmliche Username sagt auch alles.
@@LearnGermanorcrytrying Ich hätte dich auch nicht als woke betitelt, sondern eher als normie ich glaube das würde dich besser beschreiben.
Was ist denn an meinem Username dümmlich?
Completely wrong in my opinion. My mother is a Ausländer, but i was born here, just for reference.
You need to try to be a good "Ausländer". Put in effort to learn Deutsch. Don't carry around knives or get in fights. Actually work a job. You don't have to like the German culture but at least respect it.
The bad ones (working age, violent and/or unwilling to work, muslim boys and men) getting so numerous is exactly why the resentment is growing.
But if people notice you like their country want to integrate, are not violent, are trying to contribute to society and learn the German language you will quickly win most of them over.
But policies that will most likely come in the next few years will include:
Instant Abschiebung of anyone who was violent or otherwise criminal(theft etc.) or people with any ISIS or other similar proven affiliation with terror groups
Freezing of any financial support at first if they are unwilling to work or pass German language threshold tests after a certain time period(B2 for example)
And then after another time period for those that still don't manage to integrate into society (pass language thresholds and hold a job), will be sent home.
Ticket paid for, first class.
I don't think most immigrants would even oppose those policies.....
@@Goriaas it is concerning that you equate bad with being muslim.
@@ineax7447 Way to strawman my comment.
The out of the worst immigrants we have, most of them young muslim men
It's a fact and everyone knows it. Even the head-in-sand people like you know it, they prefer to tippy-toe around it though.
I (probably unlike you) have muslim friends and none of what I said any of them would disagree with.
@@ineax7447 it's human nature to form self protecting biases, and the statistics support it sadly
@@Goriaas I feel like it's always the people who actually have secular muslim friends that realize what these puritan muslim immigrants bring to society (or have the courage to state it). It's funny hwo all the hard working secular muslim from the middle study or invest a lot into their careers to be able to come to europe, just to find the same people here as the ones they are trying to run away from in their hoem countries (bonus: the puritans are also jsut leaching off benefits here)
@@Goriaas my comment was not about your comment as a whole but about you generally equating bad with muslim. Adding muslim to the attributes you mentioned was unnecessary and "the bad ones" can have any religion or no religion at all. Even Ausländer hating on Ausländer is really sad to see.
Im an Auslander myself here ,but I really find this German self flagellation a bit weird to be honest. I can totally understand German anxiety about competition for resources (jobs/social services etc) , I dont agree with the causes or the outcomes ,but the one thing I really wont do is just blithely call people racist or right wing . Its not in any constructive, and I think a certain type of Germans just throw it around for clout. I honestly find the Germans who are hostile to my face more honest, and they can usually be brought around with a joke in broken B2 Deutsch anyway
The problem exists though. And I don't want to search one year longer for an apartment just because of my family name. It's stupid, and people who think less of someone bc of their heritage or name or skin color are just that, racist.
@@LearnGermanorcrytrying so if you had to choose between helping a family member and a random stranger o nthe street, you'd choose the random stranger?
Ich ne Polin eines Tages bei Stuttgart, wurde als ne Ossi(!) (jetze bin ich sogar😂) eingestuft und deswegen mein Rucksack sollte auch durchgesucht werden, bis heute habe ich keine Ahnung: a. Wie die nich gerafft hatten dass ich ne Polin bin
b. Woher die Idee mit der Ossi🤔
Great Video. good points. One thing to consider is that europeans have colonised the world and never really tried to fit in very well, just transplanted their culture. So you can expect that the immigrants coming to Germany will bring their own culture and language. And this is sad for Germany because it was not a major colonial power. As a Bosnian I will also move to Germany if I ever run out of money, like half my family already has. Unlike my family I would milk the place and come back to my country because I dont hold out hope that I could ever be considered a German and fully fit in. And how can you ever fit into any European country? It would take 5 generations to properly be accepted as an ethnic German. If you're white. + you need to be called Herman or Gunter. And I would never do that to my kids. Maybe it would be easier to assimilate into a more similar culture. Like a Swede could become an ethnic German in 2 generations and a Bosnian could become an ethnic Slovenian in 2 generations. But it would take a Bosnian 5 generations to become an ethnic German. And a Nigerian would need like 15 generations to become an ethnic German. So good luck to anyone non-european migrating to europe. You will need it.
I once lived a time abroad, and I strictly followed two rules. 1. I never said something negative about the country I lived in front of natives, 2. I did not stay very long but I learned the basics of the national language. That's all what I expect from an immigrant.
I moved to Germany 2 years ago with zero knowlege of German. I would not say that it was essential to know it. It is still managable with knowing only English. But in order to properly integrate you absolutely have to know German. It becomes way way easier when you know it at least to B1 level. Also I noticed that you cannot learn it automatically just by living in Germany. I need to put a lot of work into it, there is really no easy way it seems.
Very true! It's just easier to make friends that way. People will open up more if you speak the language 🤍
27:55 ok, the ideal picture would be to come speaking German, but the timing in real life doesn't match. If you find a job from abroad (with no mandatory deutsch), everything is relatively "fast". Closing deals in your home country, leaving your home, saving money, a lots of errands, etc. I think its quite difficult to come speaking B2 unless your plan has been drawn up much, much earlier (1.5 to 2 years). I don't know if anyone plans their life like that, unless they're German ahaha
and I don't want to sound rude, but you moved within the same neighbourhood (EU). It is not fair to compare your situation with that of a family that comes from other continent 😊
Yes, basically you have to be superhuman. The thing is, you need some sort of good foundation, and you can get there in a few months. But you need to prep. I have met many students and coworkers who just came here with ZERO German knowledge. And that really is not a good choice. You can do *something* before you start working here etc. It's not like it's humanly impossible to learn a few basics. (I am not talking about refugees here)
*ex yugo joined the chat* we move to germany in such quantities german is the 2nd foreign language in many schools
Authorities enabling the brain drain 🎉
But legit tho it helps a lot if you just get it to a2 at least. Goethe institutes exist around the world and prices are adapted to the standard of the country. Do the course and certification home and with a2 you legit get most of the day to day conversations covered and people are by default warmer because youre not starteling them with unexpected english right awqy
@@neferuaten3954 of course it helps, but sometimes these tips are a bit narrow minded
I feel like if your trying to move to deutschland you have to be 100% and just forget English
Maybe, a little bit 🙈
As an Ausslander in Germany, if you are not wanted somewhere, don't go there.
Problem solved.
If you're an immigrant, yes. If you're a refugee... Depends. Personally, I get why you'd want to be in Germany rather than Italy, but if you come here over Italy, our law states you need to stay there. However, IRL this doesn't work and it's hurting the people who already immigrated and need our support too.
@@LearnGermanorcrytrying Ok. Half of the things you said, did not make any sense. Is there a way you could rephase the statement(s) ?
Just in case it is not clear, this applies to the immigrants/refugees all over the globe, including Italy and Germany.
An immigrant should intregrate with the local population and not the other way around and that is under any circumstances.
@@LearnGermanorcrytrying I read my comment over again, and it really sounds rude. I am sorry.
Please accept my apologies. And belive me, when I wrote it, it did not sound anywhere near as bad.
My point remains the same, but sorry for the awful tonal usage.
Nu-s de acord cu nimic din ce spune fata asta.
Salutari din Ausland-ul cu energie nucleara si strazi sigure noaptea. Cred ca o sa raman pe aici. Noroc nemtilor, o sa aveti nevoie.
nemtii multi parca au fost indoctrinati rau dupa al doilea raboi mondial, le e si frica sa gandeasca ca unele grupuri de oameni chair nu sutn de dorit
someone comes to another country, dont want to learn the language und try to push their culture above the local one and complain. why should locals accept it? i regret all resourses which were spent for this useless topic, fake facts and poor argumentation.
What's fake is your comment, because nowhere in the video do I suggest any of your utterly stupid assumptions which you made, of course, without asking even once.
What's good auslander?
More like did you see what my fellow distant community were bullshiting on the media stage the other day back in the Middle East? I'm not like those losers 😂
Undine is back ;=)
No, I just had an idea and needed to get rid of it 🙈
@@LearnGermanorcrytrying
Great upload!
Great video.