Zmorph VX 3D Printer Review - A Full On, All-In-One Prototyping Machine
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- Опубликовано: 26 мар 2019
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Thank you very much for the review and kind words! Can't wait for the next projects.
Amazing machine! congrats, i want it so bad now
Zmorph prototyping machine, very intriguing.
Watching your videos, incredibly entertaining.
You're awesome.
I need this in my set of maker tools. Love the reviews and work that you are doing for this community! Keep them coming! That was an awesome project for the digital dice.
Very amazing machine, I'm happy that you'll get some projects done before is over. Thanks for the great review.
Wow - this looks like an excellent machine! Thanks Joe.
An excellent review. Also great that you learned new techniques too!
Well done with this in depth review! Cannot wait to see you at MRRF so we can chat about it!
Much YES brother!
I like the new video format. Looks great. Well done, Joe.
Thanks buddy
Another nice review, thank you i love printer reviews. I surely hope Zmorph will give you a decent discount when you buy one.
Excellent review!!!
That's one cool machine and an awesome review. I can see you had a lot of fun with it :)
oh yes, and more fun coming :)
Very impressive machine!
Impressive project
Thanks for sharing👍
Hey. Love your videos. We have had this same printer in our office in NY for almost a year now. We have been struggling with it a lot. The nozzles are non standard, and the company wants $40 for one replacement nozzle, which we feel is highway robbery. We have reached out to actual manufacturers because these nozzle cannot be found anywhere but Zmorph. Manufacturers wanted even more to make it because of the setup time. So huge runs would have to be made in order for it to be worth their time. Automatic bed mesh leveling is so damn sensitive that after we used it as a CNC on wood, it blew out the tilt sensor and now the bed cannot be leveled automatically. It has to be manually leveled. Next we have the fact that it doesn't store said manual leveling, so Every time you boot the machine up, you have to level it again. And last, ZMorph Voxelizer software is ok. Not great. So we have used Simplify3D. Zmorph never provided a profile for it so we tried using the SX 2.0 profile and everything came out terrible. Eventually they finally gave us an FFF profile for simplify3d, and the print quality went up dramatically. My boss was really pissed off at the fact that my cheap Ender 3 at home was out printing this $4k behemoth. Even now with the better print quality, we are still having massive issues with ABS and PETG. We reach out to ZMorph regularly with issues. They always answer, but not always in a timely manner, and understanding what they are saying is a whole other issue. It looks like they have a lot of video information available, but we can never find any of it on their website. We have to email them with an issue, and then they send us a link the video that explains how to fix/address our issue. Any way. It looks like you have had better luck than us. Good luck with that thing.
So you wouldn’t recommend?
Looks like quite alot of things need to be addressed for such a high price machine. I'd like a bigger area for the money too. Cant say I like the fact the nozzles aren't universal either that has really put me off.
I also don't like the look of those belts,too flimsy ,they need to be solid. I dont own a 3d printer but I really want to jump in however I'm finding so many have real bad points which in my mind SHOULD be obvious in the design stage of these machines.
@@nicholasparsons5254 completely agree. That’s what’s put me off getting one yet, I just keep holding out
They managed to fix the "master of none" problem of the previous iteration? That's impressive!
Nice review, i have been away and out of the 3d printing for a while.
Still love your vids.
Thanks for a great review Joe. As always, you deliver 100%
Although at that price I think Tech2C's hypercube is a comparable machine at a fraction of the cost. I'd love to see you do a build/review of that one.
nice review!
Thank you!
I am always sceptical when there are "all in one" machines for 3d printing, laser engraving and cnc milling, since all of these manufacturing processes have their own requirements to the machine. However this machine really looks like a decent solution to combine these into one machine (at least for light milling projects). There are lots of small and clever features included on this machine. Unfortunately I can not afford it either.
I'm very dubitative. The Zmorph manage to be more expensive than better capable separate machines. Lasers, 3d printers and mills have different needs. 3d printers needs to be light and fast, like lasers but lasers produce fumes and burnt residues which 3d printers don't like, as dust produced by milling. Milling needs stiffness and vibration dumping. So mills needs to be heavy and don't need speed or high acceleration at all. Different technologies and different purpose should lead to different structure and different components IMHO. On the Zmorph all is about compromises because it should be acceptable in any operation. But it can't be good in every application : heavy heads for 3d printing, not fast enough for laser applications, not really capable for serious milling operations... Last but not least, it does all one at a time, so this is not really good at production purpose. For half the price of the Zmorph, you can get a large volume and faster 3d printer (U20), a 500x500mm fast 15w laser (Elekmaker), and a stronger 800w ER11 CNC mill (2030), which can work at the same time. If you really like paste printing you still have money left for a delta and a paste extruder. For an electronic dice, the Zmorph would be perfect. But if you want to build serious, useful stuff, you want serious machines, not a Swiss army knife.
Wait till the next zmorph project I am gonna post and then we can revisit this conversation ;)
@@3DMakerNoob Maybe you don't have much experience with Laser or CNC machining. But would you compare the 3d printing abilities to a U20 that cost 10% of the Zmorph price ? I've been a CNC enthusiast owner for near 20 years. There's physical reasons why the Zmorph won't reinvent the wheel. First: tool course which is very small compared to other inexpensive machines. This is important for any technology, and especially for CNC milling where tool height and clamping area matters. The Zmorph user is limited to small trinkets. Second: time ! Because of its conception (heavy laser/hotend end or light CNC guides/structure) you will never be able to make the Zmorph works as fast as specialized machines, definitely. Especially if you consider one by one operations. A 300w spindle limits the user to light materials AND small tools that increase a lot machining time. The structure is heavy compared to the needs of 3D prining or plotter applications, but it's still very light for a proper CNC mill. There's a huge difference between a CNC capable of 6mm clean passes in 7075 aluminium and a multifunction PCB mill that just allow you to scratch aluminium along micro-passes that still vibrates a lot.
Don't get me wrong. The Zmorph can of course do various operations. BUT not as well as specialized machines, and especially a proper CNC mill. Consider the price, buying a Zmorph sounds a very bad idea, unless you live in a van with a 600mm cube left for a single tool. The ratio price/abilities sounds very low in the market today.
I’ve built my own CNC mill about 7 years ago as I had done a custom motorcycle and wanted to fabricate the parts myself out of billet aluminum, so I have a bit of experience. But it’s beside the point of this machine, this is not made for fabrication on a large scale, this is a laboratory or a classroom prototyping machine. Not everyone (including me) has the space for all those machines. And yes, this by far better in terms of print quality than the U20 on all levels, it can very easily print at 60mm/s without breaking a sweat which is my go to speed. It’s all about versatility. I completely understand what you mean, but it’s all relative to the target market
@@3DMakerNoob I understand your point of view: that's a machine for low needs people which can own one single machine only. Or educational purpose of course. I'm none of these as you already understood. By the way, I print at 80mm.s with various machines including a U20 with perfect print quality. I mean as good as a FDM printer can do (Stratasys included). To my eyes, a smaller and much expensive machine won't challenge a lot. I would enjoy to see your DIY CNC mill during a shop tour video.
I'm jelly you have it :D
Very nice, i like when you do your own projects, instead of just redoing someone else´s project. Assuming you really did design the whole electronic dice
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Well that's a beast of a machine! 😎
aye aye
Another new filiming style with a new intro. Mixing it up again I see. Very nice.
Are you planning a video on how you did the PCB ? i am seriously considering selling some of my stuff to get this machine to save some space.
That's a cool machine, Joe. I want one too! :) Even though you have to send it back, you don't have to stop building electronics! Since you now know how to make PCBs, you can send the gerber files off to places like JLCPCB and get a bunch of them real cheap (with plated through holes and silkscreen and all that fancy stuff). Please don't give up on making your own electronics projects!!
Impressive machine! I enjoyed your full process of making PCB, soldering and printing. Too bad you can't keep the machine, you really deserve it. One question though, can the machine be left alone while milling, or do you have to constantly vacuum up most of the dust and particles during? Is it a risk of debris getting lodged into the belts?
Hey, I’ve left it milling alone a couple of times, only reason I vacuumed was for recording purposes. There are chances you’d get small particles everywhere, but very easy to clean or wipe down
You should make one yourself. That way you could increase the print volume, add power resume and filament detection. Also have a bunch of videos that we would all watch.
Just an idea it would probably be cheaper and you would know every inch of the machine.
Great video. Keep up the good work.
A hell of a Machine
Wish I had this printer
Very good review. Oh come on guys why do no 3D printers have such a basic thing as a filament detector! ARGHHH
Hi mate, can zmorph machine be used for generating income as in a small business ??
Thanks in advance.
Ask them for a good price for a “used” one you have now, lol. So you can keep it.
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we here at the digital innovation centre have 3 of the 2.0 SX machines initially it was interesting as there was some problems with the software voxelizer which we think is the biggest weakness of the machine. That being said however the quality of the build and some of the little innovations they have on the machine (magnetic hinges) are on a different level in the 3D printing world. We are glad to see that they made some changes to the design of the machine notably the table used in lasering and milling, the original wood tables are a let down
We've gathered all of the feedback and applied some improvements. We are happy to see that you have spotted a few of those differences.⚡
Nice machine and execution of a all-in-one for sure. But a Nomad CNC or Carvey CNC would be a cheaper option (and I’m betting more capable). You could likely add a laser to each of the mentioned desktop CNCs or buy a laser kit. You would still have money left over for a solid 3d printer of your choice. So unless workspace is at a premium or you just really want a all-in-one solution I’d much rather have 3 separate machines that could all be working simultaneously.
Excellent review as always though Joe! 👍🏻
Herein lies the rub... it definitely looks like a very drool-worthy machine... very solid, well engineered, and multi-purpose capable... however... The price is a definite sticking point... not that I am unwilling to pay for quality, but it is out of the range of even a semi-casual purchase... this would be something to save up for over the course of a year or maybe more... which brings me to the second point, one machine doing all three jobs equals a severe bottleneck for your projects... ok for a sporadic DIY hobbyist, or someone with extremely limited space, but increasingly difficult to deal with as your desire to do things grows... not to mention the inevitable compromises as you go from essentially a free floating head for 3D printing and laser, to the much higher lateral forces required from CNC milling... then there is one more caveat... by placing all your eggs in this one basket, when it fails (as most will) then you lose all functionality across the board... as opposed to three separate machines...
The combination of the price, bottleneck, compromises, and potential downtime make it quite a bit less than ideal for the price point. Either way, I will still be keeping my eye on it!
Would love to own a machine like that.
sounds like you have a cold joe?and on another note i do think that machine is absolutely awesome
now compare that to the new lulzbot for 5 grand and this price seems pretty good.
I want one
9:52 looks like Tyson fury lol
Wow. How long until a "prosumer" grade version of this is available < $1k ?
this is still a hobbyist level machine...prosumer would be something that could mill much stronger materials and require a more powerful spindle and probably increased rigidity
@@tykempster the printing quality is on the same lvl as the ultimaker, and a better than lulzbot which are still much more expensive than VX. It's not a machine for makers, it's a platform that works 24/7.
nice vdo
That price point? Under whose economy?
Compared to the e3d tool changer complete price (around 3100 euros) it is not that expensive with all tool heads and different manufacturing options. Still above my budget
I guess now you need to build yourself an mpcnc to replace the possibilities you lose when you have to send the machine back. :-)
I experienced a MPCNC is not stiff enough to be used as a proper CNC mill. You build a good price, not a good machine.
be careful with a UPS connected to a 3d printer, make sure the UPS can handle the full load of the 3d printer at max draw.. it will heat up like a son of a gun even if it can handle the load :)
snapmaker is a lot cheaper what are the benefits of the zmorph?
It is similar only by a first look. Please look closely at the specification. Compare the power of the laser, for instance, or the materials that are available for 3D printing.⚡
@@ZMorphHybrid3DPrinters ok but is this justifing the 400 percent higher price? i also think materials are the same for 3d printing ... also there a ton of mods for the snapmaker... im not a big fan of these 3in one anyways, i prefer one REAL machine for each :D
@@teabagNBG, It is an interesting topic, but it is hard to answer your question because those products are very different, and there is a lot to say. I will try to show you another few examples below so that you can judge by yourself. :D
I will also drop a link to the article on how we managed to provide 3D printing and CNC machining from a single device. Have a glance also at our ZMorph Materials Library.
Our machine, and it's sturdy construction, were designed to work 24/7, without any loss on quality so that you can count on its reliability. It is very important when it comes to CNC machining that our construction is much more stable, so it can provide more precision during the milling.
When it comes to 3D printing materials, thanks to a closed environment and heated table, you can easily work with materials that have to be printed in a specific temperature like ABS, for instance.
ZMorph Materials Library:
bit.ly/ZMorph_Materials_Library
CNC & 3D printing with the usage of a single machine: bit.ly/ZMorph_3D_CNC
Too expensive! At least it has _some_ feedback though. Now we can just wonder about sensors and motors with a feedback installed on usual non-expensive 3d-printers.
:drool:
That's the problem, jack of all trades master of none. The other is -- volume is far from what it should be at this price point. It needs to be bigger. For the money, you can get an enclosed CNC (carbide 3d nomad), an mk3 with the MMU upgrade, or similar, and a small laser engraver and still come out ahead, and you have a small CNC capable of a lot more than this machine. I understand 1 machine is sexy, but to borrow your favorite turn of phrase, to be completely honest, I own a nomad, there have been multiple occasions when I had the nomad running machining aluminum and a 3D printer running printing a part which would attach to the finished aluminum piece. A CNC which can't machine metal, is NOT a CNC.
Who said it can’t machine metal? :) stick around, next project on this will be a bit more thorough ;)
Aside from that, keep in mind that not everyone has the space to have multiple machines, more so having the ease of use that this one has. This fits perfectly well in a classroom or a small lab or office. There are specific market segments for each machine, this isn’t pointed at all of them and I understand that hence why I mention it.
Have a full blown CNC is always a plus of course and bigger volumes help, but having a single prototyping machine that can do all, and do it extremely well is gonna be target a lot of potential buyers
this thing is so cool, but it does cost too much nah thanks
Too much money for me !
I believed this was an ultimate machine that I need. I turned out it is defective - the encoders were not working properly and the CNC head was destroying the case. The support was clamming twice this was somehow my fault. I asked for a log file but there is no log. I managed to schedule a skype call where they realised that it is defective so I sent it back. After 2 weeks without a feedback I've asked for a refund. They told me that they've sent it back to me already but they couldn't give me a tracking number until tomorrow. I'm still waiting for a refund... So, the support is highly unprofessional, the online academy is written very inconsistently and hasn't been updated after the package is reduced and the firmware and software have been updated. Once you buy it you're on your own to figure it out and the online community won't be very helpful. Think twice before making such an investment!
As we discovered, our support department resolved your case already a while ago, but if you have any questions, please contact us via media@zmorph3d.com. We will respond immediately.