Wow! Wayne Rooney Takes Over as PLYMOUTH ARGYLE Boss! - Birmingham Fans Insights and Thoughts #70
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- The football world has been stunned after the surprise news of Wayne Rooney taking the helm at Plymouth Argyle! After unconvincing spells at the helm of Derby County, DC United and Birmingham City the former Manchester United, Everton & England superstar returns as head coach after only 5 months since being sacked by Birmingham City in a disastrous spell that contributed to the Championship club eventually being relegated to EFL League One.
In this podcast we give our reaction and thoughts as Birmingham City supporters about Rooney's appointment. We also provide our insights and let Plymouth Argyle fans know what to expect from their new Head Coach moving forward.
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Thanks for your level-headed words, Guys. I'm keeping an open mind and hope that Rooney will finally find some success. As an Argyle fan I'll get behind him and yes, survival (hopefully a place or two above this year without leaving it until the last day) would be acceptable as far as I'm concerned. Especially if that includes sone entertaining football along the way😊. Keep up your great podcasts, I'll be rooting for you next year and hope the experience of the third tier is not all negative
Thanks for commenting, greatly appreciated :)
I know a lot of the blues fans didn't want Rooney as manager because he was replacing a popular manager that had us already sitting in 6th but we did try our best for sure once the dust settled. It didn't work out for us but I am genuinely wishing you all the success next season, I really hope it works out for you and you don't have the misery we did as a fanbase.
Very best, KRO!
He will do well, the right set up the right people it sound like the way we play it just might work.
Thank you for your comment. It does appear that the set up at Plymouth will suit him better and I hope he does a good job for you. KRO
Living in Falmouth I was amazed how many Plymouth fans down here (and there is a lot of Cornish who go up to Home Park to support them) there were that I spoke to during our Rooney meltdown knew exactly what was going on and had similar thoughts to many Blues fans at the time and that was before we were into a direct relegation battle..who knew this would now happen? .they had a tough season losing Schumacher to Stoke which threw them..lot of time for Plymouth not least because they gave us our favourite son..Trevor.
Thanks for commenting Dougie!
Of course! thank you for reminding me of that. I forgot he was born in Plymouth. Brilliant :)
I can't believe this man keeps getting work after 3 huge failures. His stats are in black and white with his points per game and win ratio. What on earth is making him qualified for these jobs? It's all about the status, the name and the revenue these superstars will bring to the club but as someone else commented a little earlier. What's the point in this with the bigger picture if you just get relegated?
World-class players don't make world-class managers. We have seen it over and over.
Thanks again for commenting.
Very best, KRO!
*As long as Plymouth don't get relegated it will be considered*
*a success......... I'm ok with him then getting the villa job*
Thank you for your comment. I think Plymouth fans would settle for staying up again and as you point out that would be seen as a success. Now that he has left Blues I genuinely wish him well and hope he can do a good job at Plymouth. I’m just pleased that he is not part of our club anymore. KRO
@@BCFCRoyalBlue as you said Rooney has a low bar to reach at argille. I am curious to see if he has learnt any lessons from his time at blues, i suspect not because the likes of Rooney never feel the pinch in their pocket he fails upwards cash wise.
I suspect he will destroy the dressing room but we will watch and see.
I think wayne will be ok
I am an Argyle fan. I know that our club has a low budget. I am not sure about this appointment but will wait and see. I also have recent doubts about Dewsnip. But not getting relegated is important. If he keeps us in the championship he will be appreciated.
@@rachelpenny5165 hopefully he can do that for you. i suggest you keep an eye on what he does in public when you lose games as regards slating the players.
when a manager who was a top rated player questions other players ability openly it can have a devastating effect on confidence in the dressing room and they then resent the manager.
Hate to say it but as an Argyle fan..his style of football is in alignment with Argyle's..remebmer the game at Home Park 3-3..we play from the back!! Our gain if you don't have the quality of players to cope with it!
Thank you for your comment. A few Argyle fans have made this point and if you have players who are familiar with Rooney’s style of play then good luck to you. At Birmingham the players were used to playing a completely different system and he expected them to adapt immediately. It didn’t work at Birmingham but I hope it works out for you guys at Plymouth. KRO
This is a shame as I quite like Plymouth Argyle.
Thanks for commenting! :)
I respect Plymouth for sure. The same as Sunderland fans, I respect anyone who travels those amount of away distances. I hope this doesn't blow up in smoke like it did blues.
Very best, KRO!
A great balanced discussion Gary and Matt. I feel sorry for the Argyle fans and cannot see his appointment working out although I hope that I am wrong as their fans are loyal and passionate like us. Rooney won't help them progress. I know that some of our players contributed to our relegation but he distroyed their confidence and wouldn't take any responsibility. There are rumours about Frank Lampard managing Blues. A great player but I think he is not a good fit for us. You cannot rely on a big name for success. I hope that our owners will now take this into account.
Thank you for your comment Lisa. Very true he did destroy the players confidence and to be honest his time at our club was a complete disaster. Hopefully he will do a better job at Plymouth.
There are lots of names being banded around for our new manager and I’ve seen Lampard mentioned. It’s a tough one as he could do a decent job but he hasn’t got the best track record as a coach, but like you I think he is not right for us at this time. KRO
Good and interesting Vid again both on a surprising subject .... I also feel for the plymouth supporters on this one.
Possibly having the summer to work with the squad MIGHT be a difference .... but his mngr career/stats speaks for themselves as you pointed out!!
KRO from Canada 💙
Thanks for commenting Tony :)
This is the interesting factor that as a club we never got to judge him on because he didn't get a transfer window. I think he will rely heavily on his footballing contacts with a particular eye on united. I do genuinely hope it works out for them as no one deserves the misery we went through as a fanbase!
Let's hope for a good season next year for the blue boys.
Thanks again, and I hope everything is okay in Canada, KRO!
He's wasting some of that time at the Euros though 😮
Your points regarding Rooney not fitting Birmingham City's style of play are absolutely valid. However, his approach aligns well with Plymouth Argyle's philosophy. Our team thrives on the very style of play that brought us success under Steven Schumacher. With a full preseason ahead, Rooney has the opportunity to mold the squad according to his vision, something he couldn't fully achieve at Birmingham.
The pressure to implement a bold, fearless style of football was immense, and rather than integrating his philosophies gradually, he felt compelled to make immediate changes. Transforming a team's playing style is a process that cannot be rushed, especially mid-season.
This role at Argyle represents Rooney's best opportunity to establish himself as a credible coach and manager. Should he fail to deliver a strong performance here, it could significantly jeopardize his future coaching career. A full preseason and the ability to bring in his own players will give him the best chance to demonstrate his capabilities and achieve success.
Thank you very much for your comments Tony. Greatly appreciated.
We discussed a lot of those points in our podcast however as you point out he will have a full pre-season and be able to bring in some of his own players at Plymouth, something that he was unable to do at our club.
A number of Plymouth fans have also commented that your players will be more aligned to Rooney’s style of play so that is another big advantage. At Birmingham the manner and timing of his appointment were all against him and we just didn’t have the players who were capable of completely changing their style of play.
We have finally moved on from Rooney now but I hope he can turn things around for himself and make a success at Plymouth and give your fans something to cheer about. KRO
What we have to remember is Rooney came in at a time when we was facing six tough fixtures, with a team he inherited, and no pre-season under him, after two weeks he knew the team was not good enough, and the only way to change that would have been in the January transfer window, which he never reached, maybe if that had of happened we might not be in league one, who knows, but this time with Plymouth he is going to get his own players in and a pre-season, and have a point to proof, and maybe get Plymouth to finish in the top half of the Championship. Don't get me wrong, I was against Rooney's appointment from the start, but he got the Job and I supported him because he was our Manager, but he got hounded out by some of our players and the fans at the Leeds game, and the Club had no choice but to sack him, not because they wanted too, but because of our fans, me, I think he should have had his January transfer window, it would have been better than the one we had.
Thank you for your comment. I think it got to that point where the club did not trust him any longer and did not want to trust him in the January transfer window. It was not an ideal situation when Rooney came in but he would have known some of the issues when he took the job and he should have done a much better job than he did. KRO
Hi guys enjoyed your podcast.
Yes feel sorry for Plymouth &their fans because at Birmingham tried force players play in a way totally uncomfortable with never worked one reason got Birmingham relegated .
I agree he doesent know how coach players&understand strengths&weaknesses hence fact system Rooney wanted Birmingham players play too never going to work.
Keeps saying he is on a project be successful not way he manages a football team never know may surprise everyone be successful doubt it very much.
Let’s hope owners at Birmingham get next appointment right so club can win promotion back to the championship.
Thank you for your comment Brian and we are pleased you enjoyed the podcast.
I think that what really failed was Rooney!s expectation that the players could suddenly adapt to a style of play that they were unfamiliar with and were clearly unable to do. The worst thing of all was that he persisted with it even though he knew it wasn’t working. It was painful to watch and I’m was so pleased when he was sacked. KRO
@@BCFCRoyalBlue I totally agree with everything you said 100%spot on with your analysis.
Probably try do same thing at Plymouth doubt work there.
Rooney doesn’t seem know how coach players get best of them without putting players under more pressure he should stick being a pundit.
Those stats on Rooney managerial record don’t make good reading main thing is Birmingham appoint right manager&everyone the club back into the championship throughly enjoyed your podcast👍
Not wearing Birmingham club logo suggested he didn’t care about the club I could see that in his interviews there get much money as quickly as possible I too glad he is gone.
Plus criticising his players in public not going players confidence any good going forward.
Manager should never criticise players in public in private yes not in public.
Plymouth fan here, - I am suprised about rooney, I hope it works out but I fear it will be another disaster. Feels like a desparate appointment to me, even though they say it was a long process...... One fact in mitigation is surely Rooney dosent need this job, so he must be "up "for it? I really hope so or 5 years of decent ground work by the boards and team can get destroyed just like that.
Thank you for your comment. There are rumours that Mike Phelan might be joining him as assistant which if true will give him some much needed experience around him. I really hope he can do a good job for Plymouth as your fans deserve a decent manager. KRO
Rooney will definitely take Plymouth back down to league one but the only thing that will save Plymouth is if they sack him before it’s too late.
Thank you for your comment. They have certainly taken a risk after what happened at Birmingham, but you never know in football. I believe that Mike Phelan will be his assistant so he will have some good experience around him. KRO
It will be interesting to see what players Rooney can bring (or entice) into the club - his tarnished reputation may have some bearing on that..... 💙💙💙
Thanks for commenting!
I think some players would be enticed by working with Rooney. Especially some younger attacking-minded players. Imagine being trained by arguably England's greatest striker? His name certainly does have some pulling power.
Having said that, as you rightly point out, who will really want to play for a coach without a proven record and poor win ratio/points average etc. It's a difficult one.
He will no doubt have some great connections in the footballing world as well so over the summer he will be pulling on these. I'm certainly thinking United as a stand-out relationship.
Very best, KRO!
To be fair Rooneys style of football is similar to what we were doing with Steven S
Thanks for commenting :)
A few Argyle fans have commented this so you guys might and I hope will be able to make it work!
Good luck next season. Prepare for the circus if things don't go to plan but I genuinely hope they don't for you!
Very best, KRO!
The optimism id have as an argyle fan is that he’s coming in before the season. The fact he came in mid season after eustace had a whole pre season and transfer window never sat right with me
Thank you for your comment Eddie. That is very true, he will be able to get some players in an have a full pre-season which should be a real benefit for him. I really hope he gets things right for you Plymouth fans. KRO
@@BCFCRoyalBlue I definitely worded that first part wrong I’m a blues fan 😂 Thanks for the reply KRO 👍
@@eddiesalvador9780 sorry about that Eddie, I obviously read your response incorrectly. Up the Blues! KRO
Plymouth would’ve been better appointing a Rowett style manager to aim for a mid-table finish to improve on last seasons relegation battle. Suspect he will be sacked before the season finishes. Hope Plymouth do okay though.
Thanks for commenting!
This is a really valid point and I think someone like Rowett would genuinely really suit Plymouth. He can get those style of teams playing decent albeit defensive minded football. But that's what you sometimes need to stabilise yourself and establish yourself in that league. You can push on from there.
Either way, I can not see this working out in all honesty. Good luck to them :)
Very best, KRO!
Don’t care about Rooney
Don’t care about Plymouth
Get us a decent manager and let’s go
KRO
Thank you for your comment Charley, Totally understand what you are saying and we are just grateful that he is not at our club any longer and that horrible time with him in charge is now over. KRO
Poor Plymouth! It's a shame Rooney didn't take his bestie, Crook, with him!
Thanks for commenting Chris!
Poor Plymouth indeed. Really feel for that fanbase at the moment and no doubt that decision put us in a right mess.
All the best, KRO!
Rooney. Failure at Blues, Derby and in USA. Insanity is doing same things over and expecting a different outcome. Good luck Plymouth
Thanks for commenting Gary!
It's utter madness how he keeps getting these jobs. His shocking record speaks for itself. You can get the name, the revenue and the news but what's the point if you eventually get relegated.
Very best, KRO!
If he does well, how will that reflect on blues?
I don't think he will and I couldn't stand him when he was here. Even though I tried to persuade myself i did.
God help u Plymouth fans. For your sake, I hope he doesn't destroy you.
Thanks for commenting! :)
The only difference I can see is that he gets a transfer window whereas at Blues it was the worst appointment at the worst time and he had to play with what he had. That still doesn't change the fact he is an awful manager but just something that might give him half a chance.
I am just glad the nightmare of that is over for our club but as you say, I now really feel for the Argyle fans who are going through this fresh. The circus travels to Devon.
Very best, KRO!
We have remember and in you last pod casts that the players were the problem and he and rowett eluded to this.
So him going to Plymouth have in a full preseason which he didn’t have at blues
Thanks for commenting Kevin!
This is a really valid and key point . They weren't willing to do the "ugly side" of the game. It will be interesting to see how he does at Plymouth but I think he will be feeling the pressure. 3 failed jobs effectively and if he makes it a 4th then no one will surely touch him at this point...
Very best, KRO!
Rooney is not a football manager. If he believes he is, He seriously needs help.
Thank you for your comment Trevor. KRO
Least he not at Birmingham and he can do his thing at Plymouth and we see what mess he makes there
Thanks for commenting :)
Absolutely, the 15 games of damage have been done at our club and hopefully, we can move on to bigger and better things. Hopefully, he doesn't wreck another club. We all know so well what Plymouth fans are about to go through.
People need to stop giving him work.
Very best, KRO!
i feel sorry for plymouth fans
Thanks Anthony!
We feel sorry for them too. Great fans that don't deserve the circus incoming to Devon.
Very best, KRO!
Does this appointment mean that he's off our payroll !
Thanks for commenting Barry!
I wonder what ever happened with his final compensation. We all heard he was going to "leave with dignity" and not accept the money but then they were trying to work out a "fair package".
Thank god this nightmare is now behind us but I do really feel for Plymouth. Well the club have made the decision but I feel for the fans.
Thanks again, KRO!
Why bother with Rooney he never got us relegated , the players done nothing for mowbray, 1 point out of 18 under Venus , Rooney as much as said some of blues players were incapable of passing he was right , as far as I'm concerned move on , we currently have no manager , couldn't careless about Plymouth,
Fair points Harvey and thank you for commenting as always mate :)
Yeah, we argue that it wasn't Rooney directly but more a mixture of several things with the players bearing a lot of responsibility. I just can't believe this guy is landing job after job with failure after failure. It's mind boggling.
Thanks again, KRO!
Your description of tactics for Blues under Rooney sound very similar to that of Stephen Schumacher when he was Argyle manager. Argyle were one of the top scorers in the division (especially at home) before Stoke stole him from us. Defensively not so good and sometimes awful. We had really dangerous pacy forwards like Hardie, Whittaker and the amazing football brain of loan player Azaz, which meant the opposition had always to be wary. There were no player issues though and Schuey was really popular with both players and fans. It sounds as though Foster was our 'Rooney' for very different resons. His tactics were very negative and didn't suit our players.
Thank you for commenting David.
I didn't know a huge amount about Stephen S at Argyle so thanks for sharing this. Looks like we have had similar experiences but almost in reverse / for different reasons as you point out.
I just don't understand what people are seeing, the win ratio's and points per game are there in black and white to see. It's about status and who you know which seems to be a shame.
No doubt that Rooney will bring some pulling power to your club but it will also bring the circus so be prepared to get a lot coverage and if he is failing it will of course put a very negative spotlight on your club. World class players don't necessarily make good managers.
I do however wish yourself and the club good luck next season and I hope you can all make it work for you.
Thanks for commenting, KRO!
I'm sure Wayne Rooney will be a success at Plymouth. I'm sure he will get better as a manager over time.
Thank you for your comment Matt. I hope he makes a success of things at Plymouth as well. KRO
Great podcast. It seems to me, before a ball is kicked, that Rooneys main corncern is Rooney, and his own brand. Seems like a bit of a know it all. Hope the players can warm to him and get behind him. Im concerned about this appointment after his spell at St.Andrews. Best of luck for next season. 👍
Thanks for commenting, we really appreciate it!
Rooney didn't work out for us at all. It was the wrong appointment at the wrong time. A few Argyle fans have commented saying the style we just described was similar to Schumacher before he went to Stoke so he might be a better fit for you.
Genuinely wishing you all the best and I hope it works out but be prepared for some seriously nervy and outrageous moments on the pitch. All the best next season and hopefully you can dodge or minimise the impact of the circus arriving in town.
Best, KRO!
Great podcast again gents. You are now my blues go to pod cast. You provide good content with level views and take the time to read and reply to comments. Well done and deserve success
Thank you so much for your comment Tony which is greatly appreciated. KRO
I'm a lifelong Blues supporter but I live in Plymouth. I could never actually support Argyle but when I heard the news of Rooney's appointment I was in turn shocked, dismayed and then annoyed that Rooney will be in all the local news down here just when I thought I had heard the last of him. The reaction among Argyle supporters down here is the same as before his appointment at Blues. Most are against it , some say give him a chance, but the general feeling is one of disbelief. The Argyle board have made the same mistake as Blues did. They have gone for a 'name' rather than a manager and if that name had not been Rooney I doubt if he would have got another job in management( at least in the Championship)
Thanks for commenting John!
Oh wow, so you're now going to get a FULL ON double whammy of Rooney. One with blues and now living down in Plymouth. I feel for you mate, it's like experiencing 2 circuses that are awful and you're forced to watch.
I remember being in disbelief as well. Especially being in 6th. We gave it a go as fans. Well, we certainly tried our best but the football was truly awful. It couldn't have continued you would have finished rock bottom with the momentum we were getting.
It's a real shame that teams seem to be going for names and not managers. I don't mind Argyle so I really hope he makes a success of it but I just can't see that at the moment.
Very best, KRO!
@@BCFCRoyalBlue no no w.r isn't p.argyle same mistake as me Birmingham City fc Rooney big mistake up the blues 💙 👌 😎 🙌 ♥️
Good video again. Neil Dewsnip is from Liverpool. So is Steven Schmacher, Ian Foster (the same area Dewsnip was born) and so is Rooney. It looks like he has a bias for Liverpool born managers.
Thanks, Stephen and interesting point!
Must love the "erms" they all provide in interviews 😂
Hope it works out for Aryle but I am worried for them! Very best, KRO!
Great podcast. Really nice of you to talk about the impact on Argyle and what it means for usfans.💚It's the Rooney effect! We had Peter Shilton, but this is on a different level. Best of luck to Blues for next season. I am sure (with your club's size and wealth behind it) you will comfortably come back up. Argyle fans all hope that we and Rooney will still be in the Chship by the time you arrive back.
Thank you very much for your comment which is appreciated. Wishing you all the best for next season too and really hope that Rooney can do a god job for you next season. KRO
Good balanced content as usual lads.
I was trying to think of positive things to say about Rooney for any Argyle fans looking in.
I think Rooney got the best out of Jordan James for us.
Also believe he’s not afraid to give academy players a chance as he did with Romelle Donovan.
Other than that it’s slim pickings I’m afraid. It’s vital that he gets an experienced assistant on board - I hear talk of Mike Phelan ? That could work.
Good luck anyway, who knows it might just click for him this time, stranger things have happened !
Keep Right On
Thank you for your comment Tommy. It really is difficult to find anything positive from Rooney’s time at Birmingham but like you I hope he can get make a good go of it at Plymouth and do a good job for them.
Looking at what the Plymouth fans are saying on social media is exactly the types of things we were saying when he was first appointed. Most are hoping for the best, as we were but like us I bet in their hearts they are not overly confident that he is the right man for them. KRO
The thing with Argyle is with an almost certain bottom 3 budget we have to think outside the box and gamble a bit. At one point we were linked with Liam Rosenior but he quickly ruled himself out. He was given a play-off budget at Hull and ultimately failed to make the play-offs, what was he gonna do with a relegation budget? The same could be said for many so-called experienced Championship managers. We need someone who is going to over-achieve. Whether Rooney is that person remains to be seen but I'm encouraged by his time at Derby when they were in administration, working with freebies and kids from the academy his team achieved 55 points, a tally all Argyle fans would accept this coming season. If he can bring in a knowledgeable assistant it might just be a gamble that pays off. Whatever happens he's not one to shirk a challenge, pretty much every job has been a baptism of fire with the expectations placed on him and as they say, you can learn more from your failures...
Thank you for your comment. I truly wish him well at Plymouth. It did not work out for him at Birmingham for various reason but this time he had a pre-season, a transfer window and a set of players that are more familiar with his style of play so who knows. KRO
I am bewildered as to why a club in championship would employ Rooney. Even though he is a name which could increase sponsorship deals and be more likely to be put live on sky, if you go down at the end of the season then is it even worth it?
Thanks for commenting!
Couldn't agree more or have said it better myself.
Thanks again, KRO.
I'm a lapsed Blues fan living in London. Love the background photograph of Trevor Francis, Super Boy, as we called him, when I was a supporter on the terraces at St Andrews and he started to play for the Blues.
He was class, and so is your podcast.
Thank you for your comment. Trevor is a real hero and my first memories of watching the Blues had Trevor in the team when I was a young boy. Fantastic player and a real club legend.
Thank you for your kind comments about our podcast as well which are greatly appreciated. KRO
You guys nailed it on the head with many valid points. Superstar players rarely make good managers because they cant relate to the average player. Things come easy for them and they have large egos. They don't understand that bench player or the struggling player or the marginal league player or how to motivate or speak with these players. Managing is many things besides tactics and Rooney doesn't own them. I like the point also you made about him not wearing the badge etc. He also lived away and commuted in for games and odd training sessions giving his assistants info to run training sessions when he was not there. Long distance managing does not work and sends wrong message to players that your are not invested in the club. Wonder if he will try this at Plymouth since they are so far away.... disaster incoming
Thanks for commenting, really appreciated! :)
Yeah, all valid points and we totally agree. The training attitude, the no badge etc as a fan base we historically love managers and players who are proud of this club and give everything to make it the best it can be.
I really hope it works out for Argyle, I really mean that, I have a lot of respect for the fan base and I don't think they deserve what is coming. We thankfully have moved on from the nightmare 😂
Very best, KRO!
I've heard at Derby Rosenior was doing the coaching i am shocked we got him i think we've made the same mistake Birmingham it's for the money, the only advantage we've got is mike cooper is brilliant at playing out from the back .
Thank you for your comment Marcus. It does seem like history is repeating itself however I genuinely hope that Rooney can do a better job for Plymouth. KRO
Why are Birmingham fans so concerned about Plymouth and Rooney still 😂😂 you should watch the Plymouth owners interview and see what he has to say about Birmingham and Rooney
Thank you for your comment James. It is not about Birmingham fans being concerned, it is more relief that Wayne is no longer our manager. No matter what you may hear from others it was the Birmingham fans who actually experienced what it was like under Wayne Rooney and it was not easy. We really are relieved. I hope that he can do a good job for Plymouth as there are good supporters down there. KRO
to be fair I think it wouldn't matter who was the new Plymouth manager, I think they will struggle again in the championship, saying that i think Rooney is an odd appointment like you said given his poor points per game ratio
Thank you for your comment. The Championship is a really tough league and as you point out Plymouth were likely to be down the lower end of the table before Rooney arrived. Based on his track record he does not seem to be the type of manager/head coach that you would need or indeed want in that situation.
I hope for the sake of the Plymouth fans that he can prove everyone wrong, but that’s exactly what we were saying just after he had been appointed at Birmingham and we know that that did not end well. KRO
After what he did to Birmingham why would plymouth hire Rooney,,,must be desperate cos there not going to do well with him
Thank you for your comment. It was a real surprise appointment that is for sure! Time will tell whether he can be any better and I really hope so for the sake of the Plymouth fans. KRO
❤ wan ❤❤ up the blues 💙 👌 no no no Rooney at py inman management up the blues 💙 👌 😎 🙌 ♥️ blues yes 💙 ❤ yes 💙
Thanks Paul!
Up the blues, KRO! :)
Oxford fan here, that’s one relegation spot gone
Thanks for commenting and congratulations on achieving promotion!
With him in charge, I am sure it will slice the odds significantly for relegation. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. It really was a miserable time.
Very best, KRO!
Hi both great interesting podcast you're both so good keep em coming KRO
Thank you very much for your kind comment Robert which is really appreciated. KRO
Wish he had gone to stoke city,love to see them relegated🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for your comment Edwin. KRO
Some interesting points chaps. As an Argyle fan looking on at the time, I could see him trying to use Ruddy like a sweeper & it just didn't suit your players.
I'm hoping it works for him here, we already have that similar style from our time with Schumacher at the helm.
He wouldn't have been my choice but we've got to get behind him.
Thanks Martin!
Yeah, I have responded to a few Argyl fans who say the same. He might be a lot closer aligned with Schumacher which could work really well for you, especially if he gets some players in. Only time will tell. I just didn't work for blues style and the players we had here.
I hope for your sake and the clubs sake it works. Best of luck.
Very best, KRO!
When i saw him on the BBC i switched over quickly to ITV. Looking at him still gives me nightmares. Plymouth fans I feel for you and really eish you all the best. Great club ! KRO
Thanks for commenting :)
I was in 2 minds whether to turn over but there was something in the back of my mind that he might mention blues again or say something about the club. I was shocked when he said he was the best man for the Plymouth job. I thought, well who else did they interview?
Really feel for Argyle fans as well.
Very best, KRO!
Really enjoyed and as a Boro fan fear for Plymouth
Thank you for your comment David and we are really pleased you enjoyed the podcast. Good luck to the Boro next season, great fans which we always have good banter with. KRO
I wonder if he bought the job . Fairly common in the 80/90's where a retired name wanting to get into management bought the Managers job . Plymouth had a history of this as Peter Shilton bought the managers job in the 1990's
Interesting point!
Apparently, Rooney has a really good relationship with people on the board of Plymouth so I have no doubt that had a lot to do with it.
Even with there was money or favours given or whatever the theory may be, I would like to think the board would have looked at his win ratio and what he had done in management since starting. A world-class player does not translate to a world-class manager.
He didn't deserve a meeting with Plymouth let alone the actual job itself 😂
Very best, KRO!
Rooney can't even put a sentence together - how on earth is he going to do it with a team
@@nlb52 I guess time will tell, although there will be little confidence that he can do a decent job. KRO
Thanks for the info lads👍 Your research and warnings highlight the fact you know nothing of Argyle and their recent history.
We have played out from the back with defenders who struggled to keep the ball at times. We have been on the biggest rollercoaster from administration to relegation x2 and just saving league status to two promotions one as champions with 101 points
We have enjoyed the “We’re going to score one more than you” we have “front foot players” the club has been set up to entertain I reckon Wayne is going to fit right in👍
He will also benefit from the fact that Plymouth is geographically so far from the footballing world, very little press intrusion, it is too far out of the way for them to bother. Genuinely believe he will get his head down, work hard and improve Argyle and when the success comes he will be off to manage at top level🤔Everton the obvious fit
Short term🤔the bloke can enjoy for the first time in his managerial career🤔actually contributing to signing a player😳and running a squad through pre season. Both he has only done in very limited circumstances
I am going to watch your video again to find out what your “warnings” actually are 💚👍😎
Thank you for your comment which is greatly appreciated. We have not provided any ‘warnings’ as you mention, just the reality of what happened at Birmingham City. It is clear that Plymouth play a style more familiar to what Rooney wants and he will clearly have a pre-season and a transfer window so he should have a better opportunity. If he gets Mike Phelan to join him that will give him the back up of some great experience as well.
I wish him well at Plymouth and hope he can do well but it really did not work for us at Birmingham. KRO
😄Just watched it back and I ‘m commenting on the wrong video😂. Hope you bounce straight back. Fingers crossed your loss is our gain, genuinely believe he can do a great job for us with a decent strong background👍
@@63sGREENMACHINE All the best for next season. KRO
Hi Chaps .. Cheers for the Vid... I have been watching a few Plymouth Vlogs and Vids and the Fans are Screwing .. Some said He was C..p at Blues and Now We end Up with Rooney ... Cheers fo the Vid lads KRO
Thank you for your comment. It’s a shock when he is first appointed, we felt exactly the same. All you can do now is get behind him and hopefully he can do a decent job for you.
He has a full pre-season, a transfer window and a squad that is more familiar with his style of play than at Birmingham so he has every opportunity to do a better job at Plymouth which I hope for the fans he is able to do. KRO
@@BCFCRoyalBlue I’m a Bluenose I have no dog in the Race . I was just interested in the pilgrims reaction .. KRO
@@sleepwalker6825 thank you for the clarification which is appreciated. Up the Blues! KRO
Correction: Birmingham had the biggest RISE in revenue of clubs outside parachute payments. Not the most amount of revenue.
Thank you for the correction Matt. KRO
@@BCFCRoyalBlue no worries, great episode guys
@@brumiematt8808 KRO
I agree with everything you have said, he as really bad people skills, he has no passion on the touch line, and he’s after match interviews were really bad, I really think he is not management material.
He would be better at coaching young players I think, best of luck to him.
Thank you for your comment. He has a really poor record as a head coach/manager so far and I think this job will be the make or break of him. If he fails at Plymouth I can’t see where he would have a future as a manager. KRO
@@BCFCRoyalBlue I thought if Rooney didn’t succeed at blues it would be he’s last job as a manager, how wrong was I.
@@peterreynolds4755 I think it’s his name/profile that clubs are attracted to. Let’s face it and can’t be his managing/coaching record. KRO
I don't care about any other club the only club I care about is Birmingham city. PLYMOUTH have made a massive mistake getting Rooney in but more fool them.
Thanks for commenting!
Fair point, KRO!
When I heard this I put a £50 bet on Plymouth to get relegated. Cheers Wayne.
Thank you for your comment. I think a lot of people think that. The Championship is a tough league anyway so he really has got his work cut out. KRO
As an Argyle fan, you should have put £100 on it!
Enjoy your 50p profit 🤣
They will win the league 😂
Give me the job
Thank you for your comment Paul. I’m sure you would have had a chance! KRO
Nixon tweeted that heckingbottom and 2 others he couldnt name, as they were already employed, as the others interviewed for the job. Rooney was last in and got it. Imagine if somebody named "fred bloggs" turned up with rooneys managerial cv instead. I wonder if he would have got the job? I also watched a lot of DC uniteds highlights on you tube during the 15 months he was there. Along with his mate phil nevilles inter miami. They were both awful. DC also signed 15 players and spent a lot of money expecting him to reach the play offs. Thats why they got rid. He also signed 11 players at derby, 5 free agents and 6 loanees. Jagielka was one of them. So that helped in his second season. Plus as you say he had rosenior there as well. So im deffo in the worried camp. The only hope is another rosenior type assistant coming in or maybe dewsnip mentoring and helping him. I am also concerned at his brum post match interviews naming and blaming players. Thats the sort of thing that upsets dressing rooms.
Noticed a young plymouth born trev francis behind you there. Was about the same age as trev. He lived just down the road from me in chaucer way plymouth. I can remember his goals propelling plymouth schools team to the national final just before he signed pro as a 16yo with your team. RIP trev.
Thank you very much for your comment. I think the worrying thing when he was appointed at Blues and now for you at Plymouth is that he has got a poor record as a manager/coach. On the podcast you will note that I read out his points per game average at each team he managed, none of which are good.
I hope he gets things right at Plymouth and he has the advantage of a full pre-season and a transfer window before the season starts so this time he will really have no excuses.
Thank you for your comments about Trevor. A real hero at our club! KRO
As someone has already pointed out we (Argyle) finished bottom really if you disregard the relegated clubs, so if Rooney gets Argyle higher than 21st position he will consider it job done!
Personally I reckon you bluenoses clubbed together to get him to come here last season so you finished above us but Wazza got his timing wrong!!!😂
Thanks for commenting :)
Haha! it wouldn't surprise me if he missed a memo or 2! I don't know how true these rumours are but some people said he used to turn up late for training and leave early etc. It seemed like an all round circus when he was here and just a real moment to forget for blues fans and our club.
Good luck next season! I really respect Plymouth, you have a great fanbase and deserve better than what I think is coming.
Very best, KRO!
I was gobsmacked when I heard that Plymouth had taken on Rooney - after his dismal stint at Blues, I really thought that would be the end of his managerial career. He’s a world class player, but an absolutely awful manager. Strap yourselves in Plymouth fans!
Thanks, Dusty and you've hit the nail on the head.
We should have put that in the thumbnail; "World-class player, absolutely awful manager"
Strap yourselves indeed. I still can't believe we had that stint with him. Feels like a nightmare!
Very best, KRO!
Be interesting to see how well he does with a pre season and his own players, probably his last chance now, let's see if he can learn from his mistakes
Thank you for your comment. I hope he can do well at Plymouth but after this he will have no excuses. It’s true that things were not perfect for him at Blues but that is still not a good reason why he should not have done much better. KRO
Great video. Have to say if Rooney was the best man for the job it doesn’t say a lot for the other people that were in the picture. Sadly I can’t see this ending well.
100% Charles.
When I was watching the BBC coverage for the FA Cup yesterday and he said that, I thought, well, who on earth were the other candidates? I genuinely would love to know who else was in the running.
Strap in Plymouth fans!
Very best, KRO!
It makes sense that Plymouth have taken on Rooney, after all he saved then from relegation last season.
Thank you for your comment. I suppose if we had a different manager we would probably have ended up above Plymouth, so you are right. At the end of the day we went down, they stayed up and good luck to them under Rooney. KRO
It sounds like the style he plays is what Argyle have been used to for the last few years.
Thank you for your comment Paul. A few other Argyle fans have mentioned this in which case the players may be a better fit for Rooney. At Birmingham the players were used to playing out of possession and on the counter attack.
I hope he can do a good job at Plymouth however based on what happened at our club I would be concerned if I were a Plymouth fan. KRO
Oh we realise EXACTLY what we are now in for and that is called league one 😭😭😭
Thanks for commenting, really appreciated! :)
I mean, it certainly didn't work out for us but who knows Rooney might actually find his rhythm down in Devon. Some Argyle fans have been commenting saying his style might be similarly aligned with Schumacher so he might do okay with a transfer window under his belt.
All the best for next season, good luck!
Mike phelan coming in as rooneys assistant could make a big difference tbh
Thank you for your comment. If that happens that will make a big difference as he will have a lot of experience around him. KRO
I think the WOW ! at the start of your title sums it up , but , you just watch he'll do well there and shut us noses up 😂
Thanks for commenting Paul :)
It would be very typical wouldn't it. I mean with a transfer window it really could change things as will give him 2-3 months to properly work with the team and build something. that still doesn't change the fact he is a terrible manager and way he carries himself IMO is very unprofessional.
Very best, KRO!
Did you know, after Foster was sacked, Argyle (my team) bagged more points in the final six games of the season that any of the top seven teams? It's a fact. I have been advocating that we give the job to the first team coach (Nancekivell, ex-Argyle player), because we were mid-table before Schuey left. Really, we just had to avoid appointing another Foster, and sadly it looks like we've done that with Rooney, clearly a low IQ low standard guy and a poor coach too. It's incredible our board have made this decision, they must be deluded, star-struck maybe. Apparently both Foster and Rooney interviewed well, but anyone can say the right thing. So depressing.
Thanks for commenting, greatly appreciated :)
I didn't know those stats. That incredible!
Yeah, of course as you know from the video we didn't rate Rooney at all however the board of our club and yours should know better. He has NO proven record and his average points per game / win ratio screams nothing but failure.
I would like to think he will turn it around at some point and who knows that could be with you guys.
Good luck next season and I hope you can keep the circus out of Plymouth.
Very best, KRO!
@@BCFCRoyalBlue Thanks, you too.
We didn't want him and we said it before we got him. Looking at the results after he left the players were terrible anyways but who knows if we would have been worse if he had stayed and was able to get his own players in, in Jan
Thanks for commenting as always mate :)
Yeah, well I heard some outrageous names being linked with the club in the last few weeks on December when he was still in charge. I think it was all smoke and mirrors as we all knew we couldn't bring in many players during this time due to FFP etc. Hence why Mowbray only brought in 3.
So glad this nightmare is now behind us. Are you going to plan on coming over for any of the early games this season? :)
Very best, KRO!
@SmallHeathAllianceFC we should do. Bolton Charlton Wrexham hopefully weekend matches next season
Argyle were in financial difficulty in 2010 and Exeter City supporters trust (the owners) offered to help
Thanks for commenting, greatly appreciated :)
I had no idea this was case so thank you for sharing and really interesting that it was rivals helping each other!
We did an FFP / finance themed video a few months back and Plymouth were rated at a decent level for financial stability which shocked me and I thought it was really interesting. I think its because they don't spend an awful lot in transfer windows and they have the lowest wage bill on the books in the championship so maybe it looks better than it actually is.
Very best, KRO!
@@BCFCRoyalBlue as an Exeter City fan I take pleasure in Argyle's misfortunes but would never want to see a team completely vanish. A few years before that Exeter had their difficulties which led to the formation of the Trust.
Having followed Birmingham's progress this season, for Stansfield, I jokingly wished Rooney to go to Argyle. Never thought it would happen.
Although League 2 won't be pretty football like you've been used to, you'll be back up the year after so enjoy that trip down to Exeter.
As an Argyle supporter in the USA, I was shocked to hear this. To manage Argyle, you actually have to coach. You will not have the budget to buy the players you want. You will have to work with loan players and find value players. You have to use motIvation, tactics, teaching, and player evaluation to get your players to overachieve. I have never seen any evidence that Rooney can do any of this. In fact, his track record indicates he is poor at these things.
Thank you for your comment John. That is the worrying part, there is nothing in his managing/coaching record so far that gives any confidence that he will be able to do a good job. As we pointed out in the podcast his average points per game at every club he had been at is very poor.
I honestly hope he can prove everyone wrong and do a good job at Plymouth because the Plymouth fans, in fact no fans deserve what happened at our club. All the best and KRO
I think his time at Derby when they were in administration might prove otherwise. Working with freebies and kids from the academy, granted he couldn't work a miracle, but his team did win 55 points which was decent all things considered. Argyle are in much better shape than Derby were, if he can bring in a knowledgeable assistant it might just work out, all he needs to do is avoid relegation.
@@mickymouze1224 thank you for your comment. I hope he does a decent job for you at Argyle. He would definitely benefit from an experienced assistant. KRO
Terrified of Frank Lampard getting us relegated twice!
Thanks for commenting!
I heard he has been linked. People are also discussing Ashley Cole etc. I feel these are too similar to the Rooney scenario. Same as Gerrard etc. Stay away in my opinion.
Very best, KRO!
@@BCFCRoyalBlue
On Rooney, he should do better at Plymouth as he'll have 3 months to drill them. We will see. Should probably have said that first time!
Yes, high profile ex-players are just going to misunderstand the league, the club and the job required. Feel that they want to stamp their name on the club, or, as you guys said, fail to understand the level of talent available.
I think we should be looking at experienced assistant managers looking to break through into management. Ideally younger, or well experienced with youth development. We will have to lean heavily on our youth teams this year and next, and we need someone who would prefer this over spending money on new arrivals.
Peace to all!
Good afternoon Gents. As you know out of context I commented about this very subject on your last video when I heard the news drop.
I turned over to ITV as soon as I saw Rooney and he answered the question about the Plymouth appointment.
Rooney arrived under a dark cloud (not his fault) but he did absolutely nothing to lift the club or the cloud to Wark himself to the fans. The man has no class, self awareness or man management abilities or indeed coaching. He was nothing short of a total disaster and left under a huge storm cloud. He just left utter mess and ruin that we never recovered from.
I never liked him as a player. Talent wise, he was amazing but didn't make the most of that. He could've achieved so much more had he looked after himself properly. I just like the way he came across.
I'm absolutely amazed he's got a job, let alone in the Championship. I really feel for the Plymouth fans.
His job is to make players better and be the face and voice of the club and without the exception of having a positive impact on JJ's career he did neither.
He ruined what Eustace had built. The players played for Eustace and he brought the fans together and Rooney destroyed all of that.
I really hoped we would've stayed up last season as that gives Rooney validation that he was right about the players not being good enough. He made them worse. Scared and destroyed confidence wise. What he did was like the damage an earthquake causes and we never recovered from his awful tenure.
Best man for the Plymouth job???? I would love to see that shortlist!!
I have no real affection for Plymouth but I feel sorry for the fans. His managerial record speaks for itself. He's not a manager!!
All the best Plymouth fans. Enjoy your summer and brace yourself for the worst time.
KRO 💙
Thank you very much for your comment Richard which is always appreciated.
Yes, we saw your comment in yesterdays video about the Rooney appointment and along with your comments here you sum up many of the points we covered in the podcast and the general feeling of the Blues fans about Wayne Rooney.
We know how the Plymouth fans are feeling right now just after his appointment. Many of them will be disappointed and concerned with the appointment and many will be asking other fans to get behind him because he has been appointed and that is not going to change for the start of the season. It’s frustrating as a fan as there is no control in who the club appoint as manager or head coach and you have to trust them to make the right decision. I hope for Wayne’s sake he makes a success of this however he has done nothing in his coaching career to give any confidence that he will succeed. KRO
It's not very often at all that I don't fully agree with what you both have to say, and this is yet another example of me being in total agreement with you both.
The man doesn't need to take the job so I can only assume he loves football or his wife just wants him out of the house and as far away as possible!
I don't know and seriously doubt if he learnt anything from his time ruining our club. He obviously has a point to prove. I can't be bitter anymore as it's no good to hold onto that so this has got to be closure for me when I say I hope he has looked at himself in the mirror and reflected on where it all went wrong and what he needs to be a manager of any significant note.
KRO 💙
I like Plymouth, potential very good, great fans
Thanks Nick!
So do we. I really respect their fanbase and this is who I feel sorry for and why we did this video in the first place. Just to give the fans what they might expect.
Very best, KRO!