As long as old character will stay able to clear the hardest content at E0S0 (which is still the case to this day) I don't have a problem with new characters being stronger or better than older ones , I myself am always prepared for my favourite characters to get powercrept eventually , that's just the nature of gacha games
Agreed. I feel like having a threshold in which to clear content (10 cycles in MoC for example) helps to balance this. You can still 36 star with 10 cycle clears while the more meta, highly invested characters clear in fewer cycles with the 0-cycle being anm ultimate goal that only exists for player satisfaction and is by no means necessary.
If you perfectly speed tune with somehow the perfect team for the enemies and reset a bunch of times maybe, but I'm not sure I believe your E0S0 Seele (let's assume its quantum weak) is doing enough to comfortably 5 cycle MoC12 sides even if you only farmed relics for her and her alone from day 1. Floor 12 has 1.2 to 1.850 million HP on both sides right now. PER WAVE. Side 2 has 2.8 million HP total. That's 550k-ish damage per cycle you have to do, minimum. You're gonna need the perfect setup for E0S0 Seele for that damage floor.
@@Internextion The Seele with bad relics because the owner of the account wasn't lucky enough to get good ones. Gacha games are incapable of having a skill issue because it is always a luck issue. People got lucky and create the fantasy in their head that everyone got as lucky as they did. People are naturally self centered and will generally believe their own lived experience is the default for everyone and everything. And whenever someone comes along that breaks through that fantasy world view you have manufactured in your head you will simply refuse to believe them or use your own lived experience to "refute" other people's lived experience.
@@Satyr42 nah, its the other way around. people who dont bother actually learning game systems and get one bad relic and say their luck is dogshit and create this ego fantasy where everything is at fault but themselves, and the moment anyone tries to argue against them they immediately try to fault their perspective with stuff like "you're just lucky, you wouldnt understand" completely undermining that persons experiences. ive met over thousands of people with good relics and accounts. "luck" can only go so far. admit you just dont know how to manage your account and actually try to fix it instead of spitting in the face of everyone who used to be like you but changed.
I've always believed this across tons of different gacha games, but powercreep only becomes an issue when the older characters that are "powercrept" are physically incapable of being used to clear the content. There's no question that certain characters are stronger than others, that's the natural progression of any team building game, you need progressively more powerful people to get better results, but the rewards for 0 cycling MOC and barely clearing it with 20 cycles remaining are the exact same. Unless you care exclusively about bragging rights for things like 0 cycling MOC, every old character is still completely useable and can clear content reliably if you put enough care into them. Yanqing can still hit crazy numbers, herta/himeko are top tier in PF after having been considered trash for a long time, even Arlan can do some crazy things and he's generally considered the worst character in the game AND has a 5* with his exact same gimmick that theoretically should be better than him in every single way and completely make Arlan impossible to use. Powercreep imo will only be a problem when content is fundamentally incapable of being beaten without the newest characters.
This is exactly my thoughts. As long as old characters can still get the rewards, then I don’t care about power creep. I got seele on release, she's been power crept, but she can still clear, as long as that's the case then power creep is fine.
been using JY for like a year now and honestly he's fine even till now. Took me about 3 cycles on average for his teams in MoC12, and 4 cycle at most. Robin gives him a faster clear angle but I don't really care that much to pull her
Jingyuan powercreeps other DPS with each new support. My Robin team with him was the faster of the two sides. Tho Acheron will probably become Even stronger when she finally gets a proper 5* support.
Yeah the fastest team clear wasn't even Acheron it was rat team then dot I think then dhil and jy so this powrcreep talk is all bull expect for Acheron technique that the best part of her and I love her so just play how you want cause all the moc clear are in the same cycle or a cycle apart except for whales and o cyclers that another talk all together
I generally like how this game is going because of the way that it's developing. Every 5* feels unique and distinct. Different playstyles are introduced occasionally, and new types of endgames where these playstyles can shine. But you dont need to use these playstyles to clear it too, so the game doesn't feel p2w. The only problem is that every 5* looks so good that i want every one of them.
I also appreciate that the p2w option exists in a range of being unnecessary. you can full clear MoC etc with well built 4 stars but still feel like you get value out of vertical investment by being able to clear much faster or even 0-cycle.
I don't think powercreep is a problem but feature creep kind of is. Namely newer characters don't necessarily have better numbers they just happen to do things a bit easier. Take Seele vs Ratio. Seele can hit the same numbers but only if she gets resets where as Ratio only needs debuffs which are abundant. This is going to be the trend of newer characters, they are going to be easier to use or have more effects on paper than older characters. The numbers will still be in the ballpark of eachother but easier to execute on newer characters.
Ratio also is easier to build because of the free 60 crit value from his A2 trace (100CV with E1). This seems to be an increasingly common feature moving forward, along with alternative scaling such as break effect translating into other stats like healing bonus on Gallagher, I think we'll be seeing a lot more of this kind of thing. Personally I am all for it, it takes some pressure off relic farming, but I can see why it's a form of creep to older characters who have the same damage potential but require better and more consistent substat rolls. This is offset by them being around longer and having more time to build but it only applies to older players, and perhaps will disincentivise pulling for reruns at least on DPS. Basically just falls under ease of execution.
@@lilityler1340 yeah i saw. even worse is they changed the BE relic. LMAO there goes the NPC favoritism. not even black swan (WHOSE VERY RELEVANT TO THE LORE BTW) got this special treatment. it's always the ugly characters sighs but yeah ig it's a win since we dont have to re-farm relics and the fua set is so ass too. gotta save more resources for jiaoqiu
@@mike_ewul DW, generic NPC will eventually get powercreept by the next generic Waifu per usual. Personally, I pull for personality which generic bootleg version of captain America doesn't have.
The power creep makes sense ... Because it is centered on MOC and PF, the powercreep will mostly happen in those content. Even herta is somehow powerful is some of those content.
hunt characters do the most break damage tho, even if you ignore the ads, so long as you break the boss fast enough you'll get a huge debuff on the boss, after that it's a sustain dif
Powercreep in this game is weird because its moreso like comfy powercreep. I dont think that powercreep in this game is as serious is people make it out to be.
i don't care about power creep because i don't pull for power i pull because i like the character. i care about enemy powercreep that a real shit people shoud care about
As somebody who is still trying to beat the Gepard/Kafka set in under 10 turns, I don't think power creep is that big of a deal. It's still do-able, New characters might make it easier, but it's not impossible if you build it right. I'm sure someone has gotten it done with all 4 stars.
your dot team take same cycle clear as my f2p dot team (all is E0S0) but with Fu because i don't have luluca or huohuo. and i thinking same about 5* preservation > 5* abundance. i'm not a try hard player i just want a comfy. although houhou give more utility but Fu and Aven just no need to worry and thinking
Powercreep in this game feels okay. Im still able to clear. I feel like the only problem with powercreep is the situation of abundance (everyone except huo huo is falling off) Like listen, the only five star harmony I have is Bronya. I run Argenti in moc. If I can do good with such copium then I don't think powercreep is a big issue I mainly pull for enjoyment but I usually do vertically invest so Also I thought this was an actual discussion video lmao
12:36 ...if you have this team (proceeds to show the most unrelatable team in HSR history in terms of relic stat luck) ...bro that's why we need the eidolons, because we don't have those stats
So long as older characters can still clear MoC 12 3 stars at E0S0, powercreep is whatever imo That said, I will never recommend pulling for older traditional hypercarry DPS characters to newer players unless they are proven to still be powerful. Like for example, when Acheron gets a rerun, hell yeah I'll still recommend her. But a Blade rerun, a Jing Yuan rerun, a Seele rerun or an Argenti rerun? Unless you are a simp for those characters, steer clear. The only "DPS" characters I'll ever recommend pulling for in 1.x are Kafka and Topaz since they aren't traditional Hypercarries and enable/extremely benefit non-traditional Team Comps. You NEED Kafka if you wanna run DoT and Topaz is a big part of the premier Follow Up team.
Jing Yuan is fine so long as you have Sparkle. (he could also be built as a break DPS to run with HMC instead). Blade can be run as a sub-dps alongside Jingliu. Still both he and Jing Yuan are more "pull if you like them" kinds of characters. I agree with the rest of that. As long as they don't release another DOT detonator Kafka is more or less safe from getting crept. Topaz IS great but her teams are expensive if you started the game this patch (no more free Ratio).
Tbh, I wonder if 4 star only is still possible for this Moc. (I’m pretty sure it is, but I haven’t seen a vid on this moc yet.) Also my QQ even now is still able to keep up with current meta somehow, outdoing my Jingliu and Acheron in Quantum-weakness situations.
I'd say yes if you count HMC as a 4*. HMC can turn characters like Sushang or Xueyi into absolute monsters even without Ruan Mei. I think your only issue might be sustains.
@@SSABIRR-69 In name only. The main character has the stat pool total of a 4* and the same trace leveling cost as a 4*. That said, Harmony is the best path for the main character so far and it is the first time they 'feel' like a 5*.
I mean sure enemies are getting more hp or what not. But as time goes on we get new relic sets that are much stronger than before and just in general get bstter and better relics as we farm. If things didn't get more hp or harder mechanics it would just become trivial.
Boothill's badass broken state piss off creep waifu enjoyers so much that they pray for his downfall even before the chads release, such a pattern 🤣 🤣🤣
@@Steel12able So you say. And yet, you know what I see? I see Boothill mains going out of their way to throw insults even when it has nothing to do with Firefly. I see Boothill mains being toxic, mocking and insulting anyone that likes Firefly. "Oh you like her? LOL DUMB DELUSIONAL COPING". And I see Boothill mains calling literally anyone that disagrees with them a "Firefly simp". And yet people only blame Firefly mains? Is everything really so black and white? No one is looking at themselves thinking how shitty they're acting? There's no sense of understanding, appreciation or mutual respect. The leaks community sucks ass. It's all just a toxic cesspool. "Firefly mains, Boothill mains" I don't give a shit. All I see is toxicity left and right. Rant over.
Yeah none of this is happening. In fact its boothill enjoyers that can't go a day without downplaying Firefly because he's supposedly "Far superior as a break effect unit"
If you're a day one whale who at least gets E0S1 (or get an eidolon instead) on all your main used characters, you shouldn't worry about powercreep. It doesn't matter as long as you 3 star everything. Unless you're an idiot who hard bricks their account, you should be clearing endgame content just fine. At this point, just pull and use whoever you like. It's a gacha game with predatory practices. Of course they're gonna have current endgame benefit the latest special banner characters. Don't give into FOMO.
boothill will never get powercrept due to how his kit work. element and kit he doing %HP dmg, the more boss hp and toughness bar have the more dmg he dose weekly boss can take like 1 shot a phase doing 200k, but MOC12 boss also got once in that phase but it doing like 700k 2 phase boss get 1 shot each phase = 2 time doing dmg. 1 phase boss take like half HP = 2 time doing dmg
You want to see scuffed targeting? Try playing Harmony only. It is hilarious how the auto-battle breaks. I've seen Bronya and Sparkle waste 4 skill points pulling each other up in the turn order. Also, both of them target Robin with their skills while Robin's ult is up. As for 'powercreep', it is not really an issue atm. Nor do I think it will be for a long time. It doesn't really matter how far up the ceiling gets pushed if the floor to clear the hardest content doesn't change that much. Hoyo has shown a clear willingness and intent to indirectly buff older units and diversify the end game content to make most units feel relevant. I don't think that is going to change anytime soon.
10:48 There is one. the 10:51 upcoming Xianzhou folk that lets his summon take all the 1 instance of damage your ally should receive. The rarity is yet to be known.
i dont mind powercreep as long as older character get buff to current meta at least catch up maybe this should happen after 3+ or 4+ years, like GBF, so older character has spot for meta even not as good as newer ones. with that Mihoyo can upgrade meta or end game more freely.
Boothill is like Ratio. People said Ratio is better DHIL, does 2 time more damage than DHIL. But in the end, single target dmg can't beat Blast/AoE in most situation. Although Boothill can apply physical weakness, but it on Ulti. In the PF or event, he can't apply weakness that fast. So, he mostly works on enemies that already has physical weakness. And when boss has 2~3 phase, if he can't get his ulti back up fast enough to apply weakness, he gonna do almost no damage. Also, some elites and bosses can hide their weakness. He may be the strongest single target DPS. But he won't work on every situation. So, if you plan to build him. You still have to build another team too, to cover the content he can't handle.
He has a free 1 skill implant technique tho and thats all he needs to ramp up. If you only seen the amount Boothill vids with or without LC too he's destroying bosses
powercreep in this game is kinda fake, jing yuan and seele are still able to clear everything no problem with their best teams. if the powercreep will just require newer supports then I'm absolutely fine with this
They're getting carried over the finish line by new overpowered Harmony units. Which... powercrept older, less powerful harmony units. Which is just powercreep.
I'm gonna copy paste my comments - Powercreep means that the old characters are surpassed by new characters and aren't able to clear out current content at all.. Jing Yuan has gotten a huge buff with Robin (~15%) over the Sparkle variant and at E0S1 , surpasses the best E0S1 Acheron teams in the game. IL teams , DoT teams , FuA teams at E0S1 surpasses Acheron teams at E0S1. It's not powercreep.. And I confident that I'll get comments from Acheron players saying "mid yuan main coping and stuff like that" because RUclips comments are dumb as hell..
New characters dealing more damage is not powercreep per se. It becomes powercreep if you are forced to pull new characters to clear content, which doesnt happen in good gacha games. Hence the phrase "pull for favorites, not fkr meta" (still nice if your fav is also meta).
make a lot of characters super flexible > no more character identity, everybody can do everything > need to make next character do a lot of DMG to justify pulling > increase enemy HP to match the new standard > old character becomes useless > repeat the process. That's the hoyoverse formula for their games.
I prefer characters powercreeping others rather than having a top tier for the rest of the game like Genshin, since it’s been released Genshin has had its 3 best units being Bennet Xiangling and xinqiu, so meta isn’t really developing in Genshin which sucks imo
i prefer the game to only cater to veterans because i am an entitled pos greasy ass gamer is what you really wanna say.. Just say it instead of beating around the bush.
@@SSABIRR-69 Yeah totally agree, i should have phrased my comment better, what i meant is that a vast mayority of the cast of characters is worse than some character sthat were released with the game, i personally would like that more characters were better than XG XQ and benny not only some exceptions like Furina or Neuvillette which were released years later after the games lauch. But then again thats just my personal opinion you are more than welcome to disagree!
well he is strong but he is not really as fun as those who have follow up atks. Be able to just throw out atk during enemies's turn or team mate's is more fun than just hit really hard for me
I was fine with the powercreep until I got multiple previews of FF and Apocalyptic Shadow. The people in-charge of balancing really just outright made a supposed relic set for our Cowboy, ripped it from him and gave it to the Mecha-Waifu. FF literally competes with BH even in single-target scenarios. I hate how Hoyo had to raise a money-making anime girl at the expense of another character. I do like to give them the benefit of the doubt but its hard to do so seeing as how blatant the favoritism is. Hunt units will still struggle in Apocalyptic Shadow since you need to get rid of the Boss' minions to actually enable your team to do damage to the Toughness Bar. AoE characters will shine yet again. Talk about powercreeping a yet unreleased character(BH). I am still angry and upset about it.
Hoyoverse actually DOES buff their characters, at least in Honkai Impact 3rd. And since Star Rail seems to be trying to compete with other games of this genre, chances are they might introduce some mechanic to keep old characters relevant.
They kind of already do. New units often provide new synergies/buffs to older ones. New relic sets. New end game content. Take Jing Yuan for example. His best builds/teams now are significantly better than they were when he released. The trade off for balancing things this way is that it requires farming new gear and pulling new units to raise up those older units. Another good example is Harmony MC. They single handedly make half the 4* dps units relevant again.
I like how ppl cry about power creep but so far the only significant “power creep” has been to standard characters, which I don’t even consider power creep. of course sparkle is going to be better than bronya. DHIL became the strongest dps and since then he’s been the benchmark for a hypercarry and that hasn’t really changed. The power creep is like genshin, sure maybe there’s a little bit but people actually just don’t know what they’re saying and just cry every time a cc makes any comment or title with the word power creep in it
This why I avoid this community like the plague, especially talks about the meta... Meta this meta that WHO CARES?? People whine and complain about powercreep like Seele and Jing Yuan aren't viable in MOC/PF. They whine like it's the end of the world or something and for what?? An extra 720 Jades every 2 weeks??? All the dps with some investment can at least reach MOC 10, so what an extra 120 Jades if you try floor 11/12? that's not even a singular pull... All this complaining and for what?? There's more important issues in the world than your character getting "Slightly Powercreeped" Imagine if we used this energy for something actually important... This is a team building game use the characters you want, match the weakness type and you're good....
my biggest issue with the game at this point is power creep, it is insane that every dps that comes out these days ignores weakness type one way or another. weakness type is a huge part of the games identity and mechanical play. silver wolf was what I thought would be the few far between support character that can change elements, but just giving it to your dps so you can ignore is such a game breaking choice.
But a break dps should be able to apply weakness on their own, otherwise how the hell are they suppose to do dmg if they can't even break enemies when their entire kit revolves around it. Also implanting weakness or ignoring weakness to do toughness dmg does NOT reduce the enemies resistance, you just can do toughness dmg but their resistance will be the same so boothill implanting cocolia with physical weakness does not change the fact that she still has 40% physical resistance
Doubled Gepard health? Oh I actually checked, yeah, 2 months ago he had 500k, now he has a million. That's it. I'm done. Uninstalled. Never thought I'd quit Star Rail before Genshin, but the powercreep is dumb. Now I'm more worried that Genshin is following this trash game. The "Genshin could never" meme is a lie, this is the predatory one. Free Ratio doesn't matter when the game is balanced around E1S1, every character is powercreep and we're barely a year in, and they just DOUBLE A BOSSES HEALTH after a couple months. Thank you for the push I needed to quit. TED talk over.
As long as old character will stay able to clear the hardest content at E0S0 (which is still the case to this day) I don't have a problem with new characters being stronger or better than older ones , I myself am always prepared for my favourite characters to get powercrept eventually , that's just the nature of gacha games
Agreed. I feel like having a threshold in which to clear content (10 cycles in MoC for example) helps to balance this. You can still 36 star with 10 cycle clears while the more meta, highly invested characters clear in fewer cycles with the 0-cycle being anm ultimate goal that only exists for player satisfaction and is by no means necessary.
If you perfectly speed tune with somehow the perfect team for the enemies and reset a bunch of times maybe, but I'm not sure I believe your E0S0 Seele (let's assume its quantum weak) is doing enough to comfortably 5 cycle MoC12 sides even if you only farmed relics for her and her alone from day 1. Floor 12 has 1.2 to 1.850 million HP on both sides right now. PER WAVE. Side 2 has 2.8 million HP total. That's 550k-ish damage per cycle you have to do, minimum. You're gonna need the perfect setup for E0S0 Seele for that damage floor.
@@toospooky5929 id like to know what e0s0 seele isnt capable of clearing a quantum weak side in under 5 cycles
@@Internextion The Seele with bad relics because the owner of the account wasn't lucky enough to get good ones. Gacha games are incapable of having a skill issue because it is always a luck issue. People got lucky and create the fantasy in their head that everyone got as lucky as they did. People are naturally self centered and will generally believe their own lived experience is the default for everyone and everything. And whenever someone comes along that breaks through that fantasy world view you have manufactured in your head you will simply refuse to believe them or use your own lived experience to "refute" other people's lived experience.
@@Satyr42 nah, its the other way around. people who dont bother actually learning game systems and get one bad relic and say their luck is dogshit and create this ego fantasy where everything is at fault but themselves, and the moment anyone tries to argue against them they immediately try to fault their perspective with stuff like "you're just lucky, you wouldnt understand" completely undermining that persons experiences.
ive met over thousands of people with good relics and accounts. "luck" can only go so far. admit you just dont know how to manage your account and actually try to fix it instead of spitting in the face of everyone who used to be like you but changed.
I've always believed this across tons of different gacha games, but powercreep only becomes an issue when the older characters that are "powercrept" are physically incapable of being used to clear the content. There's no question that certain characters are stronger than others, that's the natural progression of any team building game, you need progressively more powerful people to get better results, but the rewards for 0 cycling MOC and barely clearing it with 20 cycles remaining are the exact same. Unless you care exclusively about bragging rights for things like 0 cycling MOC, every old character is still completely useable and can clear content reliably if you put enough care into them. Yanqing can still hit crazy numbers, herta/himeko are top tier in PF after having been considered trash for a long time, even Arlan can do some crazy things and he's generally considered the worst character in the game AND has a 5* with his exact same gimmick that theoretically should be better than him in every single way and completely make Arlan impossible to use. Powercreep imo will only be a problem when content is fundamentally incapable of being beaten without the newest characters.
This is exactly my thoughts. As long as old characters can still get the rewards, then I don’t care about power creep. I got seele on release, she's been power crept, but she can still clear, as long as that's the case then power creep is fine.
Powercreep doesn't exist in game without pvp, it's just kids way to argue what characters they like more
I mean... the powercreep in this game is not that huge. I still clear MoC with 3* with jingyuan
been using JY for like a year now and honestly he's fine even till now. Took me about 3 cycles on average for his teams in MoC12, and 4 cycle at most. Robin gives him a faster clear angle but I don't really care that much to pull her
Jingyuan powercreeps other DPS with each new support. My Robin team with him was the faster of the two sides.
Tho Acheron will probably become Even stronger when she finally gets a proper 5* support.
Yeah the fastest team clear wasn't even Acheron it was rat team then dot I think then dhil and jy so this powrcreep talk is all bull expect for Acheron technique that the best part of her and I love her so just play how you want cause all the moc clear are in the same cycle or a cycle apart except for whales and o cyclers that another talk all together
I agree, I beat this MOC using serval and harmony MC lol.
@@catsarefancy9053 yeah HMC is busted he make break the now meta and will be even more when bth and FF come out
I generally like how this game is going because of the way that it's developing. Every 5* feels unique and distinct. Different playstyles are introduced occasionally, and new types of endgames where these playstyles can shine. But you dont need to use these playstyles to clear it too, so the game doesn't feel p2w. The only problem is that every 5* looks so good that i want every one of them.
I also appreciate that the p2w option exists in a range of being unnecessary. you can full clear MoC etc with well built 4 stars but still feel like you get value out of vertical investment by being able to clear much faster or even 0-cycle.
I don't think powercreep is a problem but feature creep kind of is. Namely newer characters don't necessarily have better numbers they just happen to do things a bit easier. Take Seele vs Ratio. Seele can hit the same numbers but only if she gets resets where as Ratio only needs debuffs which are abundant. This is going to be the trend of newer characters, they are going to be easier to use or have more effects on paper than older characters. The numbers will still be in the ballpark of eachother but easier to execute on newer characters.
Ratio also is easier to build because of the free 60 crit value from his A2 trace (100CV with E1). This seems to be an increasingly common feature moving forward, along with alternative scaling such as break effect translating into other stats like healing bonus on Gallagher, I think we'll be seeing a lot more of this kind of thing. Personally I am all for it, it takes some pressure off relic farming, but I can see why it's a form of creep to older characters who have the same damage potential but require better and more consistent substat rolls. This is offset by them being around longer and having more time to build but it only applies to older players, and perhaps will disincentivise pulling for reruns at least on DPS. Basically just falls under ease of execution.
Seele needs work to compete with ratio, but when played at their best scenarios, seele outperforms him
Try to not hate male characters before their banners challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
Genuinely the husbandos always get hate
they hated boothill bcs hes better than ff
@@mike_ewulUnfortunately like I guessed, they buffed generic NPC. This game is Honkai Star Waifu at this point.
@@lilityler1340 yeah i saw. even worse is they changed the BE relic. LMAO there goes the NPC favoritism. not even black swan (WHOSE VERY RELEVANT TO THE LORE BTW) got this special treatment. it's always the ugly characters sighs
but yeah ig it's a win since we dont have to re-farm relics and the fua set is so ass too. gotta save more resources for jiaoqiu
@@mike_ewul DW, generic NPC will eventually get powercreept by the next generic Waifu per usual.
Personally, I pull for personality which generic bootleg version of captain America doesn't have.
Mr. Code sees Effect RES trace... Combust
The power creep makes sense ... Because it is centered on MOC and PF, the powercreep will mostly happen in those content.
Even herta is somehow powerful is some of those content.
Herta quite literally is the queen of PF
they can give a abundance character damage mitigation like Bailu have but higher number, so Abundance can compete with preservation characters
Max Hp buffing is also a good option. It would also be an indirect buff to Blade (objectively the lowest output limited 5* Destruction atm).
If the dreams are true, when people found out that the awaited ST dmg content isn't actually that favorable to ST people is gonna get upset lol
Yep it's about how quickly you can break the boss shield so by extension, it's yet another Ruan Mei check
hunt characters do the most break damage tho, even if you ignore the ads, so long as you break the boss fast enough you'll get a huge debuff on the boss, after that it's a sustain dif
Powercreep in this game is weird because its moreso like comfy powercreep. I dont think that powercreep in this game is as serious is people make it out to be.
Try playing blade in the newest moc against wind weak enemy, and you will see just how horrible the powercreep is
Powercreep: it's about old characters.
Boothill: Am I a joke too you?
i don't care about power creep because i don't pull for power i pull because i like the character.
i care about enemy powercreep that a real shit people shoud care about
As somebody who is still trying to beat the Gepard/Kafka set in under 10 turns, I don't think power creep is that big of a deal. It's still do-able, New characters might make it easier, but it's not impossible if you build it right. I'm sure someone has gotten it done with all 4 stars.
Moon did a true 0-cycle with a Xueyi main dps
your dot team take same cycle clear as my f2p dot team (all is E0S0) but with Fu because i don't have luluca or huohuo. and i thinking same about 5* preservation > 5* abundance. i'm not a try hard player i just want a comfy. although houhou give more utility but Fu and Aven just no need to worry and thinking
who is luluca, i know only luluca from e7🤔
2:45 surely you did hidden side quest that tells u about Robin and Sunday fate awaree
Powercreep in this game feels okay. Im still able to clear. I feel like the only problem with powercreep is the situation of abundance (everyone except huo huo is falling off)
Like listen, the only five star harmony I have is Bronya. I run Argenti in moc. If I can do good with such copium then I don't think powercreep is a big issue
I mainly pull for enjoyment but I usually do vertically invest so
Also I thought this was an actual discussion video lmao
0:15 PEDRO PEDRO PEDRO
You can balance the idea of a "skill/atack nulifier" by just making the unit that gives this buff takeling a % of the damage...
12:36 ...if you have this team (proceeds to show the most unrelatable team in HSR history in terms of relic stat luck)
...bro that's why we need the eidolons, because we don't have those stats
My problem is that I have to play the latest pick they set up the game around and I feel like I cannot play my favorite characters most of the time
All i hear is Inmunity buff or unkiable kinda buff and there is one where you can't take any kind of damage but still decent
The only things I need in the standard banner is Bronya, Gepard and also their lightcone.
So long as older characters can still clear MoC 12 3 stars at E0S0, powercreep is whatever imo
That said, I will never recommend pulling for older traditional hypercarry DPS characters to newer players unless they are proven to still be powerful. Like for example, when Acheron gets a rerun, hell yeah I'll still recommend her. But a Blade rerun, a Jing Yuan rerun, a Seele rerun or an Argenti rerun? Unless you are a simp for those characters, steer clear. The only "DPS" characters I'll ever recommend pulling for in 1.x are Kafka and Topaz since they aren't traditional Hypercarries and enable/extremely benefit non-traditional Team Comps.
You NEED Kafka if you wanna run DoT and Topaz is a big part of the premier Follow Up team.
Jing Yuan is fine so long as you have Sparkle. (he could also be built as a break DPS to run with HMC instead). Blade can be run as a sub-dps alongside Jingliu. Still both he and Jing Yuan are more "pull if you like them" kinds of characters. I agree with the rest of that. As long as they don't release another DOT detonator Kafka is more or less safe from getting crept. Topaz IS great but her teams are expensive if you started the game this patch (no more free Ratio).
The last moc was so hard took me 10 full cycles to clear but a clear is a clear especially as an f2p
Tbh, I wonder if 4 star only is still possible for this Moc.
(I’m pretty sure it is, but I haven’t seen a vid on this moc yet.)
Also my QQ even now is still able to keep up with current meta somehow, outdoing my Jingliu and Acheron in Quantum-weakness situations.
I'd say yes if you count HMC as a 4*. HMC can turn characters like Sushang or Xueyi into absolute monsters even without Ruan Mei. I think your only issue might be sustains.
HMC is a 5 star character
Ruri Goko, WeiForever, MVI Lab, Mocchi (and maybe some others) already cleared this MoC with 4* only chars, all thanks to Harmony MC.
@@SSABIRR-69 In name only. The main character has the stat pool total of a 4* and the same trace leveling cost as a 4*. That said, Harmony is the best path for the main character so far and it is the first time they 'feel' like a 5*.
I mean sure enemies are getting more hp or what not. But as time goes on we get new relic sets that are much stronger than before and just in general get bstter and better relics as we farm. If things didn't get more hp or harder mechanics it would just become trivial.
Dedicated HMC guide video when?
Boothill's badass broken state piss off creep waifu enjoyers so much that they pray for his downfall even before the chads release, such a pattern 🤣 🤣🤣
I've... Seen no such thing
@@protagkun8859 oh theres alot , they are getting pressed by just Boothill existing.
@@Steel12able So you say. And yet, you know what I see?
I see Boothill mains going out of their way to throw insults even when it has nothing to do with Firefly.
I see Boothill mains being toxic, mocking and insulting anyone that likes Firefly. "Oh you like her? LOL DUMB DELUSIONAL COPING".
And I see Boothill mains calling literally anyone that disagrees with them a "Firefly simp".
And yet people only blame Firefly mains? Is everything really so black and white? No one is looking at themselves thinking how shitty they're acting?
There's no sense of understanding, appreciation or mutual respect. The leaks community sucks ass. It's all just a toxic cesspool. "Firefly mains, Boothill mains" I don't give a shit. All I see is toxicity left and right.
Rant over.
Yeah none of this is happening.
In fact its boothill enjoyers that can't go a day without downplaying Firefly because he's supposedly "Far superior as a break effect unit"
@@arcadius3257so true 😂
How in the world is his topaz doing so much damage?
Sig Lc robin and e1
Off topic but is there a game that not too powercrept? Old characters are still relevant
I mean…genshin
thats a tough question ngl
Genshin impact lmao, xiangling xq bennet sucrose still busted
ig a lot of old league champs are still good but well its not a good example
every game gets to that point eventually
If you're a day one whale who at least gets E0S1 (or get an eidolon instead) on all your main used characters, you shouldn't worry about powercreep. It doesn't matter as long as you 3 star everything. Unless you're an idiot who hard bricks their account, you should be clearing endgame content just fine. At this point, just pull and use whoever you like.
It's a gacha game with predatory practices. Of course they're gonna have current endgame benefit the latest special banner characters. Don't give into FOMO.
You acting like they don't get nerfed after the next big update, still just as usable they just go from 400k damage yo 300k, MORE than enough
boothill will never get powercrept due to how his kit work.
element and kit he doing %HP dmg, the more boss hp and toughness bar have the more dmg he dose
weekly boss can take like 1 shot a phase doing 200k, but MOC12 boss also got once in that phase but it doing like 700k
2 phase boss get 1 shot each phase = 2 time doing dmg. 1 phase boss take like half HP = 2 time doing dmg
180 speed aventurine??????
You want to see scuffed targeting? Try playing Harmony only. It is hilarious how the auto-battle breaks. I've seen Bronya and Sparkle waste 4 skill points pulling each other up in the turn order. Also, both of them target Robin with their skills while Robin's ult is up.
As for 'powercreep', it is not really an issue atm. Nor do I think it will be for a long time. It doesn't really matter how far up the ceiling gets pushed if the floor to clear the hardest content doesn't change that much. Hoyo has shown a clear willingness and intent to indirectly buff older units and diversify the end game content to make most units feel relevant. I don't think that is going to change anytime soon.
powercreep will still exist but it will never matter in any way shape or form
10:48 There is one. the 10:51 upcoming Xianzhou folk that lets his summon take all the 1 instance of damage your ally should receive. The rarity is yet to be known.
i dont mind powercreep as long as older character get buff to current meta at least catch up maybe this should happen after 3+ or 4+ years, like GBF, so older character has spot for meta even not as good as newer ones. with that Mihoyo can upgrade meta or end game more freely.
Powercreep will never stop. It's all about making money after all. It's business. It's money. Greed is good.
he is more of a bosskiller type of character
Aren't all characters who follows the path of the Hunt bosskillers though?
@@kgpadji2890 not really. His single target dmg is way higher than anything else in the game
I hate that witch music from re:zero, instant Despairge.
Boothill is like Ratio. People said Ratio is better DHIL, does 2 time more damage than DHIL. But in the end, single target dmg can't beat Blast/AoE in most situation.
Although Boothill can apply physical weakness, but it on Ulti. In the PF or event, he can't apply weakness that fast. So, he mostly works on enemies that already has physical weakness. And when boss has 2~3 phase, if he can't get his ulti back up fast enough to apply weakness, he gonna do almost no damage. Also, some elites and bosses can hide their weakness.
He may be the strongest single target DPS. But he won't work on every situation. So, if you plan to build him. You still have to build another team too, to cover the content he can't handle.
In before a Destruction unit with weakness implant that scales with Break Effect comes xdd
@@Grayewick why not fire too :)
@@GrayewickBoy you're gonna be in for a surprise. Why not give them turn advance too, that would be pretty cool no?
He has a free 1 skill implant technique tho and thats all he needs to ramp up. If you only seen the amount Boothill vids with or without LC too he's destroying bosses
@@bananamonkey1704 oh and it also has great Super Break synergy, smile :)
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powercreep in this game is kinda fake, jing yuan and seele are still able to clear everything no problem with their best teams. if the powercreep will just require newer supports then I'm absolutely fine with this
They're getting carried over the finish line by new overpowered Harmony units. Which... powercrept older, less powerful harmony units. Which is just powercreep.
I'm gonna copy paste my comments -
Powercreep means that the old characters are surpassed by new characters and aren't able to clear out current content at all..
Jing Yuan has gotten a huge buff with Robin (~15%) over the Sparkle variant and at E0S1 , surpasses the best E0S1 Acheron teams in the game.
IL teams , DoT teams , FuA teams at E0S1 surpasses Acheron teams at E0S1. It's not powercreep..
And I confident that I'll get comments from Acheron players saying "mid yuan main coping and stuff like that" because RUclips comments are dumb as hell..
New characters dealing more damage is not powercreep per se. It becomes powercreep if you are forced to pull new characters to clear content, which doesnt happen in good gacha games. Hence the phrase "pull for favorites, not fkr meta" (still nice if your fav is also meta).
make a lot of characters super flexible > no more character identity, everybody can do everything > need to make next character do a lot of DMG to justify pulling > increase enemy HP to match the new standard > old character becomes useless > repeat the process. That's the hoyoverse formula for their games.
Woah
I prefer characters powercreeping others rather than having a top tier for the rest of the game like Genshin, since it’s been released Genshin has had its 3 best units being Bennet Xiangling and xinqiu, so meta isn’t really developing in Genshin which sucks imo
None of the characters you mentioned is better than Furina
That is probably the most painful way a meta-slave could think..... I bet you have either dropped GI or you are bored out of your mind when playing
i prefer the game to only cater to veterans because i am an entitled pos greasy ass gamer is what you really wanna say.. Just say it instead of beating around the bush.
well tbh im not surprised being none of those characters are main dps's so usually supports debuffers etc usually remain at the top most of the time
@@SSABIRR-69 Yeah totally agree, i should have phrased my comment better, what i meant is that a vast mayority of the cast of characters is worse than some character sthat were released with the game, i personally would like that more characters were better than XG XQ and benny not only some exceptions like Furina or Neuvillette which were released years later after the games lauch. But then again thats just my personal opinion you are more than welcome to disagree!
Powercreep is not that bad i used seele to clear the previous MoC
well he is strong but he is not really as fun as those who have follow up atks. Be able to just throw out atk during enemies's turn or team mate's is more fun than just hit really hard for me
I was fine with the powercreep until I got multiple previews of FF and Apocalyptic Shadow. The people in-charge of balancing really just outright made a supposed relic set for our Cowboy, ripped it from him and gave it to the Mecha-Waifu. FF literally competes with BH even in single-target scenarios. I hate how Hoyo had to raise a money-making anime girl at the expense of another character. I do like to give them the benefit of the doubt but its hard to do so seeing as how blatant the favoritism is. Hunt units will still struggle in Apocalyptic Shadow since you need to get rid of the Boss' minions to actually enable your team to do damage to the Toughness Bar. AoE characters will shine yet again. Talk about powercreeping a yet unreleased character(BH). I am still angry and upset about it.
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Until the content becomes too hard for 1.x characters then the power creep is irrelevant for now
Hoyoverse actually DOES buff their characters, at least in Honkai Impact 3rd. And since Star Rail seems to be trying to compete with other games of this genre, chances are they might introduce some mechanic to keep old characters relevant.
They kind of already do. New units often provide new synergies/buffs to older ones. New relic sets. New end game content. Take Jing Yuan for example. His best builds/teams now are significantly better than they were when he released. The trade off for balancing things this way is that it requires farming new gear and pulling new units to raise up those older units.
Another good example is Harmony MC. They single handedly make half the 4* dps units relevant again.
yeah, for example Sparkle helped a lot DHIL so i believe that aswell
I like how ppl cry about power creep but so far the only significant “power creep” has been to standard characters, which I don’t even consider power creep. of course sparkle is going to be better than bronya. DHIL became the strongest dps and since then he’s been the benchmark for a hypercarry and that hasn’t really changed. The power creep is like genshin, sure maybe there’s a little bit but people actually just don’t know what they’re saying and just cry every time a cc makes any comment or title with the word power creep in it
This why I avoid this community like the plague, especially talks about the meta... Meta this meta that WHO CARES?? People whine and complain about powercreep like Seele and Jing Yuan aren't viable in MOC/PF. They whine like it's the end of the world or something and for what?? An extra 720 Jades every 2 weeks??? All the dps with some investment can at least reach MOC 10, so what an extra 120 Jades if you try floor 11/12? that's not even a singular pull... All this complaining and for what?? There's more important issues in the world than your character getting "Slightly Powercreeped" Imagine if we used this energy for something actually important... This is a team building game use the characters you want, match the weakness type and you're good....
Lol
No way. League of Legends streamer makes HSR RUclips content?
Don't worry, because Firefly's gonna powercrept Boothill that fast 😅
my biggest issue with the game at this point is power creep, it is insane that every dps that comes out these days ignores weakness type one way or another. weakness type is a huge part of the games identity and mechanical play.
silver wolf was what I thought would be the few far between support character that can change elements, but just giving it to your dps so you can ignore is such a game breaking choice.
But a break dps should be able to apply weakness on their own, otherwise how the hell are they suppose to do dmg if they can't even break enemies when their entire kit revolves around it. Also implanting weakness or ignoring weakness to do toughness dmg does NOT reduce the enemies resistance, you just can do toughness dmg but their resistance will be the same so boothill implanting cocolia with physical weakness does not change the fact that she still has 40% physical resistance
Doubled Gepard health? Oh I actually checked, yeah, 2 months ago he had 500k, now he has a million. That's it. I'm done. Uninstalled. Never thought I'd quit Star Rail before Genshin, but the powercreep is dumb. Now I'm more worried that Genshin is following this trash game. The "Genshin could never" meme is a lie, this is the predatory one. Free Ratio doesn't matter when the game is balanced around E1S1, every character is powercreep and we're barely a year in, and they just DOUBLE A BOSSES HEALTH after a couple months. Thank you for the push I needed to quit. TED talk over.
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@@guoba944 cry about it
@@guoba944agreed it's so annoying
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the fact that Firefly clears same cycle as Acheron
And boothill clears 1-2 Cycle faster than Firefly...
What are you talking about lol, Acheron zero cycles with ease so is Boothill meant to be beating the fights before you even load into MOC😂