Rehoop STEEL wheels rims Change: Offset - Bolt Pattern - Width
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- Make easy work of rehooping steel rims
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there aren't too many english speaking videos that cover this, so to see you go over this is very helpful. thank you!
Well done Bud!! I bet those tolerances were closer than the factory!!☻
I'm sure they are.
I have the same idea for a sxs project of mine. Nicely done
Thanks.
i am older than you, but with all your vids, you are the dad i wish i had.
I remember back in the day my brother had a big red three wheeler with a bad tire. We found out that a 13" vw rabbit rim fit perfect. Ran it with that car tire for a few days before we got a new tire to fit the original rim. I only tell you that because the rim you got there looks real close. I know you had some vw rims. Might take a look and see if they fit. Also the 80s civics had tge same bolt pattern but slightly smaller center and tighter offset. You had to grind a smidge out of the center for them to fit.
May your brother RIP
@@AutismusPrime69 Thank you, but he's alive and well. He just no longer owns the three wheeler 😉👍
You're not afraid to tackle anything. Great job and once again, your dog steals the show.
I guess I figure you gotta try everything a few times. Thanks.
We use a home made spindle with different patterns and adjustable from the table to set our desired back spacing plus lets us check runout as we are going in with the center. Also heating the hoop with 2 heat guns will make the center going in where it almost falls in and a few actually did.
Get you a yard sell tennis racket for the pup, my neighbor has a Lab and meets me at the truck every evening when i get home with a ball of some sort. My dog and her will run after those things till they pass out but i can get about 50yds out on a good hit lol
A dedicated jig would be ideal.
I want to take a moment to thank you for the nice muting when you start grinding. It really sucks when a video commences with the loudness before you can hit the volume buttons. Thank you, very considerate.
Run-out spec. on a Harley is .060 in,, so .040 on an off roader is plenty close enough and better than I would expect... Good Job!!!
.060 is the runout tolerance for a HD rim?!? If that's true... then that's pathetic!!! You've got to be freakin' kidding me...
- Max Giganteum
@@MaxGiganteum It seemed high to me too,, but it's out of the factory service manual for spoked rims 2006... I was getting frustrated when I couldn't get the last .025 out of mine when I relaced them after powder coating.. So I looked it up.. Then I was happy that I did so good...
OK... question. Is the .060 spec for spoke type rims, solid disc or ALL rim types? I'm assuming that HD motorcycles only come w/spoke type but I'll admit that I'm not current with HD at all these days. With whatever it is... whoa momma! I'm really surprised by this. 60 thou is a LOT and to visualize it? Oh, it's blatantly obvious to the naked eye.
- Max Giganteum
@@MaxGiganteum Harley's come with solid or spoked rims depending on the model.. I was looking at the truing spec's and procedure for spoked rims.. those are adjustable.. the solid rims would require bending of some sort which may be another ballgame.. I used my own indicator because the truing stand I bought just comes with a solid rod (pointer) that is clamped in place.. I even made a couple phone calls looking for advice and was told that over a 19 in rim, .060 isn't very much I have floating rotors so the brakes remain true no matter what the rim is doing.. Even with solid rotors,, .060 at the rim might be only .015 at the brakes which is where you would notice it.. and no one uses an indicator.. That kinda surprised me.. I spent my entire career doing precision metal work so that's how I approached the project.. Apparently I was just over-thinking it..
You have to remember a rim is bolted to a brake rotor and .005 spec of dust will throw it out to .030"+. Then a steel rim isn't machined in the first place and is simply roll formed/stamped with a weld seam across it. Then you toss a lumpy chunk of rubber onto it with a flexible sidewall. Everything is out. The entire assemble only spins at around 600-900rpm at highway speeds so nothing needs to be that close.
Tolerances for car rims are around .045" factory new and anything under .100" is generally ok. These whack curbs all the time with 3000-6000lbs of force behind them and bend a little and still manage to carry us at 75mph without flinching.
Great work..plastic weld the frezbies
Thanks.
Man I love ginger! I’m getting a Blue heeler soon
Awesome
Better than a new one Remember the old rims that had rivets You could punch them out flip the center to make reverse rims and put in new rivets or weld them
Very true
You are inspiring with all your knowledge you share. We had a Blue Heeler that loved his frisbees too.We eventually got him the soft ones made from nylon and canvas, they lasted better.
Nice, REALLY nice! Thank you for another simple - but great video. Cheers!
Thank you! Cheers!
Thanks for the info, Moe. You remind me of an Iron Worker who corrected me by saying "Can't?"
When I see a new video from you i think " hmmm, What is he up to now?" This channel has some of the most thought provoking projects!
Hey thanks
Thanks from Texas Moe
You got the same commercial eh
Hey Thanks.
Nice video, Moe. And you wore PPE. Everybody is a badass until metal goes into eyeballs.
Hey Thanks. Did you changed your username?
@@sixtyfiveford Yes, I was 999thenewman with the silly wrench screwdriver avatar.
Haven't tried this--yet. Great job.
Stay safe, Joe Z
You sure are skilled. Ginger has good skills too.
Hey Thanks
Great video and tips, thank you!
P.S. I still love that dog! We now have three female Cocker Spaniels (love bunnies), a female Pit Bulldog (the guard dog), and a mini male Dachshund (the instigator irritator Lol!). I sure do miss my Blue & Red Heelers though. No other breed can replace them for me.
Thanks. They're all great companions.
Didn't even know rehooping was a thing you could do. That's cool
Hey thanks
Nice work dude!!
Thanks!
As always, outstanding content! This is some next level McGyver stuff....🤣
I have a Bennche (Rhino clone, steel factory wheels) & a Yamaha Rhino (aluminum aftermarket ITP wheels + spacers [which can't be removed, bc the front rims hit]) which I purchased about a year ago. I actually prefer the factory steel wheels, as they aren't offset as much; i.e. don't sling as much mud, & are easier driving through timber (I'm a Land Surveyor). While I have lathe/mill/ and TIG aluminum frequently.....not sure I'm brave enough to cut them up. 😑
Thanks again!
I was actually looking to make a full set with as far inset wheels as possible. We have trails here that are limited to 50" wide off highway vehicles and the Rhino is right at 54". I have the spacers(1.5" or 2" don't recall) in the back but nothing up front.
I am not a dog person AT ALL but Ginger is an awesome dog. Smart as heck
Hey Thanks.
@@sixtyfiveford Im not home enough to spend time with an animal and just never been into any pets. It takes so much time to train them and they need more quality time then i have to offer. Your dog is very well behaved and trained, we can tell that you have spent a ton of time with her.
Thanks for your time and this modification.
That's a nice piece of brass.
Good stuff 👍
Thanks 👍
Doggie in the diesel and as long as Ginger can ride on the new rims and not get bounced much. GBWYall!
I'm guessing that's why we have wheel weights ! Square enough ! 👍
It's better than spec for a new car tire rim.
Great content!
You're awesome.
U da man ☺️ always great to see a video from one of my favorite people because I know I'm about to learn another new trick that saves me money 💰 thanks again for sharing
Awesome! Thank you!
Yep as usual, click like first then watch the video. Never let down.
You're awesome.
Awesome, waiting for the sidewall repair
Thanks
Interesting. Was wondering about for trailers and car dollys about increasing slightly the center bore on steel rims. Thinking a flap wheel will be what I'll try. Surprisingly nothing online regarding other than one video I found for Mark 2 VW steel rims to remove a couple MM from a Voxel Corsair ??? rim center. Anyways, looks like Blaines Farm and Fleet has so I'll try.
I've seen a few videos on people enlarging the center bore of rims. Some car manufacturers rely on the hub (Hubcentric) to actually hold the entire weight of the car. The lug nuts do nothing but locate the rim and hold it against.
11:00 plastic-weld the frisbee for ginger ;) oh he thought of that 11:26 lol
we all knew you would plastic weld that Frisbee
Absolutely.
I real love the task
Great job, Moe!
Thanks!
Huffing billy in the passenger seat 🤣
Great info. Thanks for this!
That was pretty cool.
Thanks.
Pretty cool stuff man.
Nice work!
Hey thanks
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Should it could it work for car rims?
Absolutely. People do it all the time and there's actually shops that specialize in just widening, changing the offset of steel rims for race cars and streetcars.
True... but I'll say this. If you modify your automotive rims, you'd damn good and well better be able to weld! I've seen failures at just highway speed of 60 MPH and believe me when I say it was a disaster. Multiple totaled cars and some minor injuries (fortunately!). There's a huge difference between the likes of a quad off-road as opposed to a car amongst others. I'm not attempting to instill fear but think of the liability. How would you like to be charged with negligence because you modified your rims, one failed, there was an accident then the investigators discovered that you weren't certified as a welder... and that's why the welds failed? Bottom line here? Don't take this task lightly as there's no room for error. Best wishes!
- Max Giganteum
Thanks! Good advice!!!! That’s the answer I was looking for 👍🏻
@@MaxGiganteum You're not trying to instill fear but your fear-mongering with your statements. I have never seen a steel wheel fail and I frequent a lot of wrecking yards and know guys in racing and towing that would back this up. Tires on the other hand absolutely fail all the time. The entire automotive service industry is run with fear mongering where people won't even change a wiper blade these days because it could void their warranty or worse fly off at high speed and kill a motorcyclist behind them.
Not fear mongering... just giving fair warning. I have coming up on 54 years of experience and I've seen the good and the bad. Then I've seen some total disaster and death. Have you? In my day, I've had three people I worked right next to die. Well, two of them survived until the next day. How? It all began and ended with poor judgement and they paid the ultimate price. I spoke out about the rims because they are a critical item. They cannot fail. Most of the other parts of a motorized vehicle can and the worst result is that you coast to a stop at the side of the road. A total failure of a rim and there may be no recovery at all. So again I say... unless you really know what you're doing and have talent, rethink welding critical parts like a rim. The life you save may be your own. Peace & good vibes!
- Max Giganteum
It's possible to decrease ET (offset) of steel whell without making it wider?
Great. Is there any chance of deformation during arc welding?
There's no concern with deforming the wheel or out of round or anything like that. As long as you evenly spaced your welds around the entire center section.
Nice work bro. You did weld up the hole in the rim right? heh 😀
Yes 😁
Another good tip. Not to put it into practice on one of my projects.
It's fun just to use the welder and cut stuff up.
Seems easier to just redo the bolt holes on the other rims? weld the holes and drill new ones
I don't get why you painted it right after cutting it off... was that not the area that you needed to weld?
Weld thru primer probably
access to the edges he wont be able to get in later .plus preventing flash rust i would guess.
@@soren8085 I thought that at first but it looks the same as the flat black he ends up with.
Those edges are impossible to paint once assembled. The surface tension of paint will allow it to flow into those cracks. Yes some of the areas were burn off when I weld it but there's nothing you can do about that.
Yes it was just regular flat black paint as it works the exact same as weld through primer if you've ever used that.
Moe, how much time and effort did you put into dialing that rim into true? With that dial indicator, I would think you could have gotten it to .005 or less in a minute or two. Barring runout at the wheel bearings or rim warpage. Just curious...
- Max Giganteum
If I recall car rims have a tolerance of .045" new radial runout and I bet ATV rims aren't measured at all, just set in a jig and welded. Steel rims have a weld seam running across them that is harder than the rest of the mild steel hoop. So it is never perfectly uniform when it is roll stamped out.
.005 ??? There isnt a car rim manufactured anywhere with that tight of runout specs!!
is that the same bolt pattern as honda and vw ? and as always the heeler content is awesome :D
These are 4-110. VW and Honda cars use the 4-100.
Any ideas on non-electric alternatives to gasoline fuel? I already know about wood smoke.
Natural gas is the easiest and cheapest solution to convert a gasoline engine. As you know the wood smoke is just too cumbersome and time consuming. I will say years ago when gas prices were higher than now I was commuting 125miles a day and looking pretty heavily into all of these. It came down to the easiest solution is Hyper-Mileing. I took over my wife's 96 Ford Escort that was averaging 30-32mpg and with simple driving habits change could push it to a max of 48mpg(more realistically 40mpg plus). I would challenge myself daily and saved a ton of gas money. A few key components are: every time you brake you waste that gasoline, so coast to a stop and every mph over 55-60 you are burning excessive fuel.
Sixtyfive, ever since (almost 4 years ago) I watched your video on using Shoe Goo to fix leaks in inflatables I have been using it to fix EVERYTHING! (broken flower pots, split wood, broken wood, damaged decorative pieces, etc etc)...so thanks again, but I was wondering if you know of any similar cheaper (industrial?) alternative that can be bought in a bigger quantity? I know E6000 is the same or similar, but is just slightly more expensive (and a slightly smaller tube, 3oz vs 3.7oz) than Shoe Goo.
Any of the Goop products (marine Goop, plumbing Goop, automotive Goop) are the same. I generally just but whatever is the cheapest and generally that's the Shoe Goo. I've never found anything that works anything like these do.
@@sixtyfiveford Awesome....Goop....thanks!
I can do a lot of different things but I do believe you might have me beat. You can figure some things out
Hey Thanks.
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Pay retail for a new wheel...I think not. Makes you wonder how cheap you bought the side by side.
Handiest sob ever
Just get a rim from a honda or something.
Nobody was selling one locally. Looked daily for the past month plus on and off months before that. It's just an odd thing unless someone is upgrading to bigger tires/new rims. That relegated to brand new stuff generally. I could find them on Ebay for almost $100 a whack shipped and be done with it, but what fun is that....