+Breja ToneWorks Hey Breja. I understand that Jimmy's #1 LP only had one push/pull on it that changes the pickups to "out of phase". From what I've seen in a video of Jimmy's actual guitar, it's the bridge tone that controls this. Do you know how to do this with 3x 500k pots and 1x 500k push/pull ? If you have the guitar on your lap in playing position, it's the bottom right switch -- I would presume that it's the bridge tone. That's all I need to do is switch the pickups out of phase.
+flashy5150 Hey - You might be right on the JP stuff. I personally don't have this mod on any of my guitars and when I have done it for people, it's as I've shown here. If all he did was create a P/P for Out of Phase, then all you'd need to do is search HB Phase Mod and apply that to the appropriate pot. It's a simple 'X' wiring and if you can't find one - email me at BrejaToneWorks@gmail.com and I can send one to ya. Don
Breja ToneWorks Thanks Don, I will look it up.Back in 1970 - '73, Jimmy never really used any kind of mod. I think he really did this because of so many solid state and high gain amps that were being released in the '80's, and to get that sharp tone, he needed to make the pickups do the work, since the amps couldn't. Also, push/pulls were never available until the '80's or maybe even the '90's. Jimmy really did this while playing with "The Firm" in the '80's. He did some really whacky stuff back then -- I didn't like it -- please, don't tell Jimmy lol. Jimmy even said, he barely uses that 21 tone mod, only in the studio, when he was looking for a certain tone. So "no Led Zeppelin was ever created with a push/pull switch". There is a video that only shows the interviewer pulling up that lower right push/pull switch and Jimmy did it too, and it was the same switch to change it "out of phase". "Out of Phase", as we all know, makes the two pickups fight each other, creating a very thin but compressed sound. This is the only sound I would need to play Led Zeppelin. The "Whole Lotta Love" solo is a prime example of why it was created. Back then, Jimmy had to use full humbuckers for the rhythm and change to his supro or something to get the thin tone. With the out of phase switch, he can just pull it and the bass will just drop out. Sorry I wrote so much Don, but there are things that need to be clarified. Cheers
Breja ToneWorks Hey Don. I've found a HB Phase Mod schematic. Since I am only changing one pot to do the phase reversal, can I use one of the tone pots, as opposed to a volume pot, or does it have to be a volume pot ? Jimmy's seems to be the farthest pot away from his bridge, which is the bridge tone. He probably did it this way to prevent knocking it with his picking hand by accident. Thanks
Hi, this scheme is different from the one that appears in www.amazon.com/920D-Custom-Shop-Harness-Switchcraft/dp/B00VMS2XIQ I install The circuit that appears in the schematic and now the guitar only makes annoying noises, what do you advise me?
Nice job! I would just like to warn people....if you are only looking at the full wiring diagram to wire it all up intsead of following the video step by step be sure to not ground the black wire from the neck pickup to the bridge volume pot. In the diagram it looks like it's grounded but it's actually just passing over top of a star ground point.
Hi Don, I just finished wiring up my guitar for JP 21 tones following your video. Everything works as should, first try. Your instructions were clear and easy to follow - I appreciate your time and work! Thank you!
I did it myself. pay attention to one wire at a time it's pretty simple. just identify your wire, find where it goes and solder it up then move on to the next wire. this is the greatest wiring scheme ever I love the phase shift with coil cut on the neck pickup the most. It allows you to choose which coil you want when your use the coil cut on the neck pickup. I used the serial-broadbucker option for the bridge volume switch that makes all four coils of both pickups serialized into one large pickup. The sound is huge and you can absolutely recognize jimi's tones when you do this on a les paul with good pickups. I love this wiring scheme so much I did the neck portion of it on my superstrat and left the bridge side in typical configuration. cherry pick this diagram for your favorite tones.
Followed your video step by step and the schematic works like a charm. You broke it down and made it really easy to follow and get it done. Thanks! My Epi LP is now a true tone machine!
Great video! To think back to Jimmy Pages time so many years ago... he was a genius. This is a very complex concept. Truly a pioneer and grand experimenter!
Steve Hoyland did this mod on Jimmy Pages seldom used #2 Les Paul in 1985. It isn't relevant to the Zeppelin years . His guitar was 'standard wired'in Led Zeppelin. JImmy Pages 'Right Hand Man' and tech ( Clive Coulson) was a good customer of my Guitar Shop in New Zealand.. I make and Demo Page pickups on my channel,if you're interested in this.
@@SD-nj1cy Follow the illustration, I think the narrator misspoke in that minute. If you look at the start of the video the whole circuit is displayed, that is the correct circuit. Hope it helps, any doubt give me a shout.
Hi! from UK. I've just found your Video on the Jimmy Page Wiring. Very informative. I was wondering if you could do this with CTS Push/Push Pots with Seymour Duncan Pickups. I realise that this is an old Video, but was hoping that you may have had this question before!
Hi Fantastic video, thanks for all your hard work: I just used it to upgrade my 'Vintage' LP Paradise that I bought second hand. I got the kit from Allparts which was good (apart from the 3 way switch being to short!)- but the wiring diagram was difficult to fathom. So I just spent the best part of the weekend methodically wiring up using your video. And now its all done: tested it out, and (after 5 mins general sadness as no noise was coming out - until I realised I had to turn the volume pots up), it sounds brilliant - literally. So thanks again for your efforts very much appreciated: You are a Dog amongst Nem or something like that.
as an update: Allparts have offered to send me out a long thread nut for the 3 way switch - which is nice! meanwhile the paradise is sounding and playing fabulous
I just have to say thank you so much for your videos. they really have helped mu understand the inner workings of my guitars and have now been able to fix two guitars which i couldn't afford to take into my music shop. saved me lots of money!!! Thank you
Hey Brogan... I appreciate it. I remember the feeling of not having the money to do what I wanted with guitars which is why I do these videos - to help people out. Best of luck.
How did you get this to work. I wired it exactly how he described it in the drawing and the bridge volume and split coil doesn't work. The neck volume works with no split coil. Did you attach the wires from the switch to the lugs on the volume switches or where he has them. I have them where he does and it doesn't work
@@seankelly6139 if you are new to this kind of stuff as I was when I tried it, any number of thing might be wrong. It took me a while to get it right and had such problems as well. Just double check everything and go slow is all I can say. Checking soldering points to see if they are connected is where I would start. Good luck mate.
I have been doing this for a few years now and I have everything attached properly exactly how he has it described. You have everything attached properly where he described it and it works great for you?
Could you possibly clarify for a number of us. What wiring color convention you are using? Gibson? Dimarzio? EMG? Seymour Duncan? Or any of a number of others. As it is, by stating at the beginning of the tutorial that the wiring is being done for a Les Paul, the assumption would be it's a Gibson wiring schema. Using four conductor Gibson pickups.Alll the different brand pickups seem to use different colors in respects to the termination of the wires on the pickups. For example Gibson Aftermarket pickups use: This wiring convention Red = North Start White = North Finish Green = South Finish Black = South Start Bare wire = Ground Dimarzio pickups use: This wiring convention Red = North Start Black = North Finish White = South Finish Green = South Start Bare wire = Ground Seymour Duncan pickups use: This wiring convention Black = North Start White = North Finish Red = South Finish Green = South Start Bare wire = Ground As you can see, all the big names use different wiring conventions on their pickups. I have a Gibson SG and paid to have the Gibson 1957 humbuckers rewired with four conductor wiring using the Gibson standard color scheme. Also because it's an SG the wiring cavity is pretty shallow, so much so, that I cannot put blobs of solder on the backs of my dpdt push/push switches. So I have to be clever in how my earth wiring is run. Everything that requires an earth has gotten an earth, just a little differnt than your presentation/tutorial. Anyway, so far, using the Gibson wiring color scheme it isn't working. So I am now going to try the Seymour Duncan color scheme. Wish me luck :-)
I don't get it, I have looked over my wiring 3 times, and it fits the video. I'm using Gibson 57 classics in both bridge and neck, I realise the video is based on Seymour Duncan and switched as follows: Seymour D black is hot (North start) , Gibson red is hot. Seymour D white is north finish, same for Gibson. Seymour D red is south finish, Gibson green is south finish. Seymour D green is south start, Gibson black is south start. Bare shield is the same for both. I get no sound, only noise when I touch the selector switch.
Fantastic mod to get the most out of your guitar .Great video too! This mod was done for Jimmy circa 1985( 'The Firm' era) by Steve Hoyland on Jimmy's seldom used #2 Les Paul...It wasn't anything to do with Led Zeppelin . Those chasing that Les Paul sound,I demo those Pickups on my channel . My knowledge came from Clive Coulson( Jimmy's Right Hand Man) Clive was a customer of my Guitar Shop in New Zealand.
Great video Don! I did an easier version of this mod to my SG a couple of years ago, but I used Seymour Duncan's Triple Shot rings to ease the pickup selection, leaving only 2 push-pull switches for phase and series/parallel on volumes and standard tone knobs. Cheers, Andre
Thanks for the video, very helpful! Is there a reason for having 2 wires going to the ground lug of the 3 way switch? Unless I'm mistaken, they both go to ground on the bridge volume pot.
thx you for this video, i done it last week, it works and prefer it over the non 50 style jimmy page wiring which i found at SD, and wonder, it seem to be only one master volume ,wonder is it something i can have both 50 style and both volume control for the bridge and the neck ? thx so much
I'm dizzy, now how again will this get me out of trouble with the wife. I love your videos getting ready to wire up my SG now just reg vintage, I only watch this because I enjoy and had to see everything the J P wiring could do.Thanks
Worked great! Was a bit daunting for my first real soldering project, but this video really helped me be successful. Only way it would be better is if you showed the actual soldering!
Is it possible to use most of this wiring on a 1 volume, two tones with pull switches and a 3 way toggle switch? Basically the same but only 1 volume pot. Thanks.
Great vid, but there are a couple of problems. As well as the situation of the black wire from the neck pickup appearing to be ground on the B-vol - (it should just go to the B-vol switch) - from around 8.05 in the commentary you have the pickup names and controls mixed up. Also there seems to be two ground wires from the switch to B-vol (only one required). I hope this helps clarify any confusion.
thanks much for this video. I'm getting close to ripping the pcb wiring out of my 2013 Standard and either doing this or trying to do a 50's style + Peter Green mod. I think this uses regular 50's wiring but replacing the Neck tone with a push/pull to Put the neck and bridge pickups out of phase. I don;t know, however, if this would be series or parallel or how exactly to wire it up.....Have you ever done one of these? The JP is always what I've wanted for all the combos but I really can;t see myself using all these options...... Thanks again.. great info
Hi. I don't know if you'll see this, but can someone clarify a point for me?? If the pot is in it's "normal" position (pushed in, knob closest to the body), are A1/A2 and B1/B2 engaged or A2/A3 and B2/B3 engaged according to this wiring scheme? Thank You!
Did you use CTS or Bourns pots? I'm already trying to wire it up and think if there are any slight differences between them in respect to lugs order (a1,b1,l1, etc.)? I decided to use Bourns pots and the schematics in internet show different set of lugs are interconnected. I don't know if he mentioned pots of which company he uses in this wiring.
Wondering if I could have a little further clarification regarding the diagram- I am using Bourne's pots and I am wondering as far as the numbering, are the 6 vertical terminals numbered as if I am holding the pot with shaft facing down, or are they numbered as if the shaft is facing up? Same with the 3 horizontal lugs too I suppose, as which way the shaft is facing would affect that as well.
Pretty awesome diagram, thank you for making this, it really helped me out! I am having a bit of trouble as to my Bridge Tone isn't varying in tone and the Neck Volume just cuts the p/up altogether. Any suggestions Breja ToneWorks?
Efrumful email me directly at BrejaToneWorks@gmail.com and I can shoot you a copy of the instructions. My first suggestion is to go back over them step by step to make sure you're in good shape. After that - we'll have to take on other potential troubleshooting. Don
Hey there. I just noticed my seymour duncan '59 has only two wires (the other pickup is a JB with four wires). If i use a regular pot on the neck volume, will everything else work fine? (i think it'll work but im not sure about it). thanks!
I wired everything exactly how you showed it. Wiring the switch to those spots doesn't do anything but make the pickups sound the same as well as stopping the volume knobs from working. Do you know where I could have gone wrong in this
Hi. I'd like to ask if could it be possible to change this wiring a little bit? I have a 2-conductor vintage SD Dimarzio in bridge and I'd like to pair it with a 4-conductor humbucker in the neck position using this diagram. I wonder if it can work that way. I understand that it may trim down the 21 tone pallete but it doesn't matter as long as the whole modified wiring works fine.
Hi Don, do you have a wiring schematic like this where instead of a series switch, you have a blower switch where everything is bypassed and only the bridge pickup is on by itself straight out?
Hi there !! you have a good day. I have a question I have a guitar but my Esp Ltd dimarzio humbucker and I are interested in that connexion in my guitar I could instead of having the coil split on volume and tone potentiometers since I have 2 ... could use 4 dpdt switch to make sound changes on the guitar. Thanks sorry for my English translation is in Spanish only speak nice day :)
Hi! Thank you for this video! Could i ask you why at 4:30 you connect permanently the black and the green wire of the bridge pickup? The Black is the North coil start and the green is the south coil start, of you connect them the whole pickup will be shorted and silent. am I correct? Thank you! Mike
So this might be a dumb question, but when you solder the wires to the “top” of the pots, are you talking about the top of the A1,2,3 and b1,2,3 block? If that makes any sense.
I want to mod my HSH with a five way switch to include a neck and bridge together option, can these series/parallel and out of phase mods be applied to that moded HSH?
Nice tutorial...thanks, i've done this wiring and i have an issue, maybe? when i pull the neck tone up(all other pots down) with the bridge p.u. or the middle position selected, i get a kind of boost? the neck volume control controls both pickups, the bridge volume does not work at all. bridge tone does work, what is happening? i don't see a tone diagram for this from your 21 tone walk section of your video thanks for your time i am digging the tones i'm getting c
I have the same problem. The wiring harness is hooked up right except where the two wires from the switch don't work where he has them. I hooked them up to the volume pots and it still stop the volume from working. I tried hooking the wires up to the center lug and the split coil doesn't work. Did you find a fix for this. Please let me know if you have
G'day there mate. I am about to start building a DIY Guitars SG Kit guitar, and am thinking of using the Vintage tone wiring for one pickup (most likely the brighter neck pup), whilst wiring the other Modern. I play Thrashing, Grinding, Doomy, Blackened Death Metal and want deep, dark & ominous tone for the Death Metal sound, and grating, harsh highs for the black Metal sound. Possibly use the Russian paper & oil caps for the Modern Bridge pickup, and the little round ones for the Vintage Neck pickup. Is this a feeseable option? Will it work? And would it work well, with this Jimmy Page 50's wiring. I love the sound of 21 different pickup tone settings to choose from. And here I was initially thinking I would have only the Volume pots as push/pull switchables, but after viewing this vid, I've fast changed my mind on that! I may possibly add a small two-way toggle switch for each pickup also, a volume bypass switch, for "Strobe Effect" type cutting in & out by just flicking the switch on & off, like on my Yamaha RGX1212S. Thanks HEAPS for your wiring info, you're a huge help. Cheers!
***** Again - the caps will only come into play if you turn down your tone pots. If you leave them open, it won't matter what cap you're using. If you do want to really darken your tone via the tone pot, use a .047uF or even a .1uF cap (Whichever type is fine in this case). These will remove the most treble. It will get very 'boomy' but maybe that's what you're looking for. If not - move back up to the .022uF and see what she does for ya. You can use any cap you'd like with the JP wiring - again, they are not magic. They will remove the higher end of the signal. They impact your tone in a subtle way. Don't expect a massive tonal improvement by simple changing your caps. To be honest - changing pickups will have the most impact on your sound/tone. Best of luck. Don
Thank you so much for your superb tutorial. I am about to put Suhr Thornbuckers into a Epiphone LP Custom Pro. I think the Suhr has the same wiring code as Seymour Duncan's, ... I'll have to measure them anyway to confirm.
Wiring diagram is top shelf. You went above and beyond and people appreciate that. One question, is it safe for me to assume you used Gibson Pickups for your rewire? Reason I ask is each manufacturer uses a different color code system for their hookup wires (I'm sure that isn't breaking news to you) and I will need to convert the colors to suit my pickups. Thanks for your time and your awesome video.
Mike... Actually mine uses the Seymour Duncan HB pickup wire colors. I believe it goes like this with these two companies: SD Slug Poles: Black Start (Hot) / White (Finish) Screw Poles: Red Finish / Green Start Gibson Slug Poles: Red Start (Hot) / White Finish Screw Poles: Green Finish / Black Start I appreciate the comments and thanks for watching. Best of luck.
Breja ToneWorks Did you have any switch positions were there was no sound or "dead spots"? Will the guitar run series mode only when in the neck position or will it function in the middle and neck positions in series as well?
Very Cool! You guys have the best DIY vids! I am considering this for a LP 12 string build, but using push push pots and adding a mini humbucker in the center, and would want in phase out of phase, bridge, neck, center....neck, center....bridge, center....and center/mini only options. Is this doable minus adding another switch or pot? TY
Hi Breja Toneworks. I have a guitar been build to me last year - a tribute guitar made after single cut specs. I have 3 humbuckers, a 5 way switch and a kill switch ( actually it is a 3 way being used as kill switch) I´d love to really make a "tonemashine" out of this guitar. It is my boyhood dream. Would the Jimmy Page wiring be applicable to 3 pups? I still only have 2 vol and 2 tone pots? the way the 5 way is connected now is: Bridge; bridge- middle; middle; middle - neck; neck.I hope you and maybe others might find my question interesting enough to grab the challange sort of speak.Regards
In the full wiring diagram there are two ground wires leaving the switch, one towards the bridge volume and the other to the bridge tone pot. However, it is not needed later in the steps towards the tone pot. What is the right one? Assuming it's not needed, only once to the bridge volume pot, also after checking the two pics, that wire doesn't go to bridge tone, but bridge volume, basically twice, as the bridge volume grounds the bridge tone with the same curve. Please confirm.
Seeing as manufacturers make their pickups all differently. Which brand of pickups is this specific to? Gibson, Seymour Duncan, DiMarzio? I'm just unsure about the north start/finish and south start/finish and if that would affect the wiring. Cheers in advance if you get a chance to answer 👍🏼😁
the 'tone master' is Tony Iommi listen to BLACK SABBATHs albums after Master of Reality ! I have never heard those tones done since ! Iommi is the tone master
Didn't work on my LP. I've played this video and checked and re-checked the wiring 7 times now. I even set it down and walked away for 3 hours and came back to it refreshed. Nothing! Not a sound. Perhaps if I sleep on it and attack it again in the morning? Very frustrated. I had bought a pre-wired Jimmy Page harness online last year. It didn't work out of the box. I looked over their diagram and noticed they missed 2 jumper wires. It sounded great after that, but I didn't like that it would cut out when I had it on the bridge pickup and pulled the tone knob. So I wanted to give this one a shot. Wish it would have worked.
Hi, love your video. Just bought 4 Push/pull pots SPST. Is it possible to achieve this wiring with them or should I get DPDT instead? Thank you. Such a useful video.
I take it you're looking for a Dual HB with single Vol and Single Tone - right? If so - email me at BrejaToneWorks@gmail.com I believe I have what you're looking for.
Hello thanks for your helpful video. I have the Jimmi Page wiring by Seymour Duncan site installed in my Les Paul. I love and use all the tones, but when I roll down the volume pot I notice a loss of treble. Does this also happen to you with your wiring? Should I try a treble bleed? Thanks a lot Mário
Hey Mario... A treble bleed is easy to try and see if it fixes what you're hearing. Unfortunately I don't have this mod in any of my guitars at this time (too many combos for me to remember) so I'll have to turn this over to the other viewers to comment if they notice any significant treble loss. Either way - a treble bleed is easy and cheap enough that it's not bad way to spend five minutes with your guitar. Best of luck... Don
Seymour Duncan had a JP diagram that was 21 tones BUT it was not '50s wiring so turning down the volume will lose lots of treble. Fortunately, switching it to 50s wiring is very easy (you just move one capacitor solder point to the vol pot middle lug, and that's it. Do this for bridge vol + tone and again for neck). At least, that's how it works for a Les Paul. I did it on a Tele too, but that's the limit of my experience.
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Great tutorial! Thank you!! Would you recommend adding treble bleeds to these as well? If so would they still go from the L1 to L2 positions? Where is your modern Jimmy Page wiring video, I can't find it. I'll be taking on this project within the next few weeks.
+ProBird79 Depends on your pickups but they're not the worst thing to add. Especially in this case as trying to add them AFTER all of this other wiring is done is going to be a challenge. What you could do is extend the leads on the treble bleeds so that if you don't like them (or wish to change to a different type), you can do it easier - and yes, they'd go on the same L1/L2 lugs. I don't have a modern version of this scheme.
Thanks for the reply Breja. I've read that the 50's wiring doesn't need a treble bleed due to how the circuitry is wired, and it's only necessary for the modern wiring? In the video you mention you have a modern version so I assume you are talking about how the capacitors are wired differently (9:28). Again, GREAT tutorial!!
I had my Bourns wired modern, decided I wanted to go 50s. Tried it last night, followed this exactly, and got no sound in the end. I've wired plenty of pickups and have a lot of experience doing so. But I'm not sure why I go too sound. My pickups have the same color scheme as Seymour Duncan. Is it safe to assume your colors are the same?
I am about to attempt this. I've ordered everything i need except, i don't know which capacitors i need.... Help! What are the right capacitors. Iv got SD humbuckers 2 A500k push pulls, 2B500k push pull. A 3 wat toggle, output...... Just need to know the right capacitor.
Hi, very thanks for your video.I used this wiring diagram for my Gibson SG. My guitar included Seymour Duncan SH 2 N and SH 4, 4x CTS push-pull 500K 2x Orange drop 022 caps Beautiful sound, especially out of phase. But I have a little problem with bridge volume and neck tone controls. bridge volume works on 50% and neck tone don't regulated absolutely. Please help me, dear Breja. Thank you!
Great video, just one question. I'm looking forward for a Jimmy Page 50's Mod but I want the tone controls to split the coil not the volume ones, is that possible? Many thanks.
It is possible - you'd just have to swap the switch wiring on the Push/Pulls. I don't have anything showing it - you'd just need to keep track of the wire swapping.
Thank you but I don't know how to do it. Is there any link or info I can get? (swapping the Push-Pulls). Maybe one day you can upload it. I find very comfortable using the tone control for coil split because they are on the right side of the guitar body. I have a Yamaha SA 2200 that has coil split only (tone Push Pull x2). Thank you again. Best wishes.
+luclucas135 ummm... I'd have to really think that through if that's all you'd need to do. I believe so but I'd have to test and don't have a guitar to test on right now. Sorry.
I think it runs them both in a series. I'm about to attempt this myself but the diagram that came with my kit is wired a little different. I'm really not to sure which I'm going to try.
12-11-18 - Between 8:12 and 9:14 in your video (wiring review section), there are some major errors in the narrative and the illustrations you are trying to use under the narrative. The narrative and the illustrations used during the narrative here do not match at all. Starting at 8:03 in the video (reviewing the pickup wirings), the narrative does not match the illustrations. - 8:03 - illustration changes to the bridge pickup wiring page - Narrative at 8:10: "...if we start with the neck pickup..." and starts explaining the neck pickup's wiring >> but uses the bridge pickup wiring illustration - 8:43 - illustration changes to the neck pickup wiring page - Narrative at 8:44 "...Same ting if we look at the neck pickup to ensure we have the right wiring..." - but the narrative starts to discuss the bridge pickup wiring... yet uses the neck pickup illustration in the video under this narrative... continues incorrect narrative/illustration until 9:14 - 9:15, "...and there you have it"... concludes the "review", illustration changes to the completed wiring diagram.
Hello there! I just finished wiring up following your video step by step for the second time in a row. My bridge pickup is giving me no sound, only the bridge position where the single coil works just fine on the volume. Can you please help me?
Did you checked the pickup cables before doing the circuit to see if they were all well connected? If so, there must be a short somewhere, check the solder in the pots to see if they are not too big as to interfere the signal. I recently finished the circuit and can testify it works. Cheers
This is the way I wanted to wire my guitar, but with only 2 pots, I can't do it. The phase swap is easy, but for the series/parallel, I think I am limited to series/parallel between the two pickups or series/parallel within one of them. Is there much difference between sounds if the two pickups are joined in series rather than parallel?
Old as hell video but on Bridge Volume and Neck Tone engaged, would you not have the south coil (screws) of the bridge? Also, on all four engaged, would you not have the north coil (studs) of the bridge engaged?
Hi I am going to be doing this mod next week when the rest of the parts arrive but I have a quick question. I will be using some NOS Vintage Jensen Caps but I noticed these caps have one end painted red (+)?and one black (-)?. So which ends would go to which lugs? Will I be able to use these caps? Thanks. Love your videos. I have learned so much from them.
+Nyles Reynolds Hey Nyles... I'm not sure what caps exactly you have but guitar caps don't have polarity meaning it won't matter positive or negative. Email me a pic of you caps at: brejatoneworks@gmail.com and I'll try to help ya.
+Breja ToneWorks Usually, polarized capacitors would be used in DC applications while non-polarized in AC applications.There are advantages and disadvantages for both, like polarized capacitors have a higher leakage current and act as a short-circuit when connected the wrong way. Also have a lower frequency response, but they are smaller than non-polarized capacitors of the same capacitance. An old trick used in budget cross-overs is connecting 2 polarized capacitors back to back (- to - or + to +)
The outer or foil layer of the capacitor is negative and should be connected towards ground. Doesn’t always make a big difference but it is a difference and sometimes it is really noticeable.
I just finished this on my 2007 Epiphone Standard, and all the unique tones work. The problem is, the bridge pickup is only giving about half the output of the neck pickup. I'm pretty new to guitar electronics. Where should I start looking to find the issue? The pickups are the Duncan Whole Lotta Humbuckers, and they tested at appropriate resistances out of the box.
Okay so I followed the video step by step and when ive plugged the guitar in only the neck pickup works, if i pull the neck tone pot the neck can be heard in all three positions of the pickup selector but at a reduced volume. If i play through overdrive and switch to the bridge pickup there is an extremely faint signal come through but i can't make out if its the bridge or neck that I'm hearing. Any ideas as to what could be the issue ?
@@dustindinsmore5448 I took it to my local technician and he said the wiring was perfect, turned out I had been sent a faulty bridge pickup so I got a replacement and stuck that in and everything was fine
@@dustindinsmore5448 Mine were also brand new, I just received a dud so I messaged the seller and got a replacement sent out. Check the pickups with a multimeter if you can
+Chainsaw Productions Some people have done it but most will just get a new pickup. I've damaged pickups just by handling them at times - I certainly don't trust myself to try this.
Another Great video. Could you please do video on a les Paul bypass to bridge mod please? It's the only Gibson one U haven't done. It's the 4 th pull on new les Paul standards u pull it and it bypasses all tones and volumes and goes straight from bridge to output Jack. Thanks
Also have you tried this wiring scheme for Jimmy page? I know a few techs who followed Seymour Duncan Jimmy page wiring and it didn't work properly without tones bleeding from pickup sections not supposed to be on. Cheers
Hi breja. My tech wired my les Paul like this but for some reason the best sounding sound is bridge selected with neck and bridge tone both pulled out, it sounds awesome but that setting shouldn't do anything from your explanation here you don't mention that setting. Do you think it could be same as neck selected with bridge and neck tone pulled out which you say activates both pickups in series out of phase. Cheers pal
Sorry - but I don't have this mod going on any of my guitars anymore but if my memory serves me right, I thought there were several combinations of the Bridge in HB mode where the push/pulls didn't have an affect. Is the sound you're getting different than just the Bridge alone?
At end of this video you explain what all the selections do but there's no mention of that selection. Witch bridge selected and both tones pulled out the guitar gets a huge boost and sounds more treble and clear it's really powerful just one tone pulled out quite muddy.
I'll have to believe you. I don't have this wired up anywhere to test or verify what is happening. Next HH guitar I have an opportunity to put this wiring back in I'll give it a test.
Can someone please help?: If I'm trying to install a coil-cut resistor (a la PRS) to the neck pickup, where would it go? He's got it so that red and white are going to different switches, and it can't tell how the finish wires are being grounded. I was going to install a resistor between L3 and A2 on Bridge Volume, but can't figure out the Neck cut circuit. Thanks!
I have two les pauls , one has the push /pull on the volume the other has the push pull on the tone . Can you please help me out with that , I'm a little confused about this.
Hey Don, I wired this up the other day. my neck pickup has sound , but my bridge has nothing. I've thoroughly checked the all the points and they are good. There is a hum when the guitar is plugged in. Any suggestions?????
+ben bennett It's a complicated wiring schematic. Email directly and I can send you step by step instructions so you can dbl-check your work. brejatoneworks@gmail.com
I see in your complete wiring schema that you have two wires running from the ground lug of the switch--one as part of the ground wire harness to the bridge and another grounded to the bridge volume. Is that correct?
Hey. I just tried the 50's style jimmy page wiring and it didnt work properly at all.. can you tell me what the colours mean ie green = south finish, black = north start? im pretty confused trying to convert seymour duncan colours to gibson. acoording to seymour duncan colours you have the north start and the south finish connected together on the bridge volume? Please help and many thanks.. REPLY
i have a epi 1275 i would like to do this to. i have the diagram for this guitar for the basic set up. but when i try to add them together and do it i just get a mess. i woul dliek to do this think you can make it easer for me?
+joe burg I see what you're doing - you're just rubbing it in that you have a dbl-neck and I don't. :) Ok - I'm not 100% sure, but I believe on the 1275, the controls are Vol/Tone for one neck and Vol/Tone for the other neck (At least on Gibsons). To do this mod on this type of guitar, the DPDT switch has to come first instead of last as it most likely is now in your guitar. You'll need to complete redo all the wiring in the guitar and make the neck selector switch the first switch in the circuit.
I've wired my guitar up to a T according to this diagram Unfortunately my neck pick up sounds like it may already be split even though the neck volume switch is down and when I lift the NVswitch it does nothing? it sounds like the screw section of the neck pick-up Is NOT nearly as loud as the stud portion of the neck pick up when tapping with a screwdriver. I was wondering if you or anyone has any info that maybe this diagram is off? i'm using Seymour Duncan same color 4wire JBJ Humbuckers.. Identical push pull parts .22 capacitors. wired identical two diagram? Thanks in advance please help! lol
This video is 10 years old and yet still the best one on this topic. Thank you. 🙏
For those who asked - the pickup wire codes for this mod are based on the Seymour Duncan colors.
+Breja ToneWorks Hey Breja. I understand that Jimmy's #1 LP only had one push/pull on it that changes the pickups to "out of phase". From what I've seen in a video of Jimmy's actual guitar, it's the bridge tone that controls this. Do you know how to do this with 3x 500k pots and 1x 500k push/pull ? If you have the guitar on your lap in playing position, it's the bottom right switch -- I would presume that it's the bridge tone. That's all I need to do is switch the pickups out of phase.
+flashy5150 Hey - You might be right on the JP stuff. I personally don't have this mod on any of my guitars and when I have done it for people, it's as I've shown here. If all he did was create a P/P for Out of Phase, then all you'd need to do is search HB Phase Mod and apply that to the appropriate pot. It's a simple 'X' wiring and if you can't find one - email me at BrejaToneWorks@gmail.com and I can send one to ya. Don
Breja ToneWorks Thanks Don, I will look it up.Back in 1970 - '73, Jimmy never really used any kind of mod. I think he really did this because of so many solid state and high gain amps that were being released in the '80's, and to get that sharp tone, he needed to make the pickups do the work, since the amps couldn't. Also, push/pulls were never available until the '80's or maybe even the '90's. Jimmy really did this while playing with "The Firm" in the '80's. He did some really whacky stuff back then -- I didn't like it -- please, don't tell Jimmy lol. Jimmy even said, he barely uses that 21 tone mod, only in the studio, when he was looking for a certain tone. So "no Led Zeppelin was ever created with a push/pull switch". There is a video that only shows the interviewer pulling up that lower right push/pull switch and Jimmy did it too, and it was the same switch to change it "out of phase". "Out of Phase", as we all know, makes the two pickups fight each other, creating a very thin but compressed sound. This is the only sound I would need to play Led Zeppelin. The "Whole Lotta Love" solo is a prime example of why it was created. Back then, Jimmy had to use full humbuckers for the rhythm and change to his supro or something to get the thin tone. With the out of phase switch, he can just pull it and the bass will just drop out. Sorry I wrote so much Don, but there are things that need to be clarified. Cheers
Breja ToneWorks Hey Don. I've found a HB Phase Mod schematic. Since I am only changing one pot to do the phase reversal, can I use one of the tone pots, as opposed to a volume pot, or does it have to be a volume pot ? Jimmy's seems to be the farthest pot away from his bridge, which is the bridge tone. He probably did it this way to prevent knocking it with his picking hand by accident. Thanks
Hi, this scheme is different from the one that appears in www.amazon.com/920D-Custom-Shop-Harness-Switchcraft/dp/B00VMS2XIQ I install The circuit that appears in the schematic and now the guitar only makes annoying noises, what do you advise me?
Nice job! I would just like to warn people....if you are only looking at the full wiring diagram to wire it all up intsead of following the video step by step be sure to not ground the black wire from the neck pickup to the bridge volume pot. In the diagram it looks like it's grounded but it's actually just passing over top of a star ground point.
great job!!!!! your wiring works fantastic! grazie 1000!!!
Hi Don, I just finished wiring up my guitar for JP 21 tones following your video. Everything works as should, first try. Your instructions were clear and easy to follow - I appreciate your time and work! Thank you!
Thank you. This is the third Jimmy Page wiring instructional I have tried and the first to work!
Lol, yeah man, this channel is a gold mine of knowledge.
I did it myself. pay attention to one wire at a time it's pretty simple. just identify your wire, find where it goes and solder it up then move on to the next wire. this is the greatest wiring scheme ever I love the phase shift with coil cut on the neck pickup the most. It allows you to choose which coil you want when your use the coil cut on the neck pickup. I used the serial-broadbucker option for the bridge volume switch that makes all four coils of both pickups serialized into one large pickup. The sound is huge and you can absolutely recognize jimi's tones when you do this on a les paul with good pickups. I love this wiring scheme so much I did the neck portion of it on my superstrat and left the bridge side in typical configuration. cherry pick this diagram for your favorite tones.
Followed your video step by step and the schematic works like a charm. You broke it down and made it really easy to follow and get it done. Thanks! My Epi LP is now a true tone machine!
Great video! To think back to Jimmy Pages time so many years ago... he was a genius. This is a very complex concept. Truly a pioneer and grand experimenter!
Steve Hoyland did this mod on Jimmy Pages seldom used #2 Les Paul in 1985. It isn't relevant to the Zeppelin years . His guitar was 'standard wired'in Led Zeppelin.
JImmy Pages 'Right Hand Man' and tech ( Clive Coulson) was a good customer of my Guitar Shop in New Zealand..
I make and Demo Page pickups on my channel,if you're interested in this.
@@bryanwilliams3665 👀
Just finished the circuit! works to perfection, I just wanted to thank you for putting the time and providing this information.
did you follow the illustration or narrative? They dont match starting at 8:43
@@SD-nj1cy Follow the illustration, I think the narrator misspoke in that minute. If you look at the start of the video the whole circuit is displayed, that is the correct circuit. Hope it helps, any doubt give me a shout.
@@TANKE777 THANKS!!!!
I followed the directions exactly and it totally worked!!!! I’ll post a video of what it sounds like 👍 with Filtertrons and my Epiphone Wildkat.
Followed everything and works really good, Thank you!
Hi! from UK. I've just found your Video on the Jimmy Page Wiring. Very informative. I was wondering if you could do this with CTS Push/Push Pots with Seymour Duncan Pickups. I realise that this is an old Video, but was hoping that you may have had this question before!
Hi Fantastic video, thanks for all your hard work: I just used it to upgrade my 'Vintage' LP Paradise that I bought second hand. I got the kit from Allparts which was good (apart from the 3 way switch being to short!)- but the wiring diagram was difficult to fathom. So I just spent the best part of the weekend methodically wiring up using your video. And now its all done: tested it out, and (after 5 mins general sadness as no noise was coming out - until I realised I had to turn the volume pots up), it sounds brilliant - literally. So thanks again for your efforts very much appreciated: You are a Dog amongst Nem or something like that.
as an update: Allparts have offered to send me out a long thread nut for the 3 way switch - which is nice! meanwhile the paradise is sounding and playing fabulous
I wouldn't have done it without this video. Many thanks!
I just have to say thank you so much for your videos. they really have helped mu understand the inner workings of my guitars and have now been able to fix two guitars which i couldn't afford to take into my music shop. saved me lots of money!!! Thank you
Hey Brogan... I appreciate it. I remember the feeling of not having the money to do what I wanted with guitars which is why I do these videos - to help people out. Best of luck.
Thank You! It worked great. This was my first time wiring a guitar. It took Quite a bit of time, but so worth it!
Thanks for a great scheme and a superb video. I have built it into my SG Special, with Bourns push pull pots.
Perfect walkthrough, thanks a lot, works well!
How did you get this to work. I wired it exactly how he described it in the drawing and the bridge volume and split coil doesn't work. The neck volume works with no split coil. Did you attach the wires from the switch to the lugs on the volume switches or where he has them. I have them where he does and it doesn't work
@@seankelly6139 if you are new to this kind of stuff as I was when I tried it, any number of thing might be wrong. It took me a while to get it right and had such problems as well. Just double check everything and go slow is all I can say. Checking soldering points to see if they are connected is where I would start. Good luck mate.
I have been doing this for a few years now and I have everything attached properly exactly how he has it described. You have everything attached properly where he described it and it works great for you?
@@seankelly6139 yep
Could you possibly clarify for a number of us. What wiring color convention you are using? Gibson? Dimarzio? EMG? Seymour Duncan? Or any of a number of others. As it is, by stating at the beginning of the tutorial that the wiring is being done for a Les Paul, the assumption would be it's a Gibson wiring schema. Using four conductor Gibson pickups.Alll the different brand pickups seem to use different colors in respects to the termination of the wires on the pickups. For example
Gibson Aftermarket pickups use: This wiring convention
Red = North Start
White = North Finish
Green = South Finish
Black = South Start
Bare wire = Ground
Dimarzio pickups use: This wiring convention
Red = North Start
Black = North Finish
White = South Finish
Green = South Start
Bare wire = Ground
Seymour Duncan pickups use: This wiring convention
Black = North Start
White = North Finish
Red = South Finish
Green = South Start
Bare wire = Ground
As you can see, all the big names use different wiring conventions on their pickups.
I have a Gibson SG and paid to have the Gibson 1957 humbuckers rewired with four conductor wiring using the Gibson standard color scheme. Also because it's an SG the wiring cavity is pretty shallow, so much so, that I cannot put blobs of solder on the backs of my dpdt push/push switches. So I have to be clever in how my earth wiring is run. Everything that requires an earth has gotten an earth, just a little differnt than your presentation/tutorial.
Anyway, so far, using the Gibson wiring color scheme it isn't working. So I am now going to try the Seymour Duncan color scheme.
Wish me luck :-)
This wiring diagram... it’s really works!!!!!!!!!
Thank you so much!!!!! 🙏
I don't get it, I have looked over my wiring 3 times, and it fits the video. I'm using Gibson 57 classics in both bridge and neck, I realise the video is based on Seymour Duncan and switched as follows:
Seymour D black is hot (North start) , Gibson red is hot.
Seymour D white is north finish, same for Gibson.
Seymour D red is south finish, Gibson green is south finish.
Seymour D green is south start, Gibson black is south start.
Bare shield is the same for both.
I get no sound, only noise when I touch the selector switch.
@@mC_DiDiDiDiDi that sounds like a bad ground somewhere. Did you figure this out?
Fantastic mod to get the most out of your guitar .Great video too!
This mod was done for Jimmy circa 1985( 'The Firm' era) by Steve Hoyland on Jimmy's seldom used #2 Les Paul...It wasn't anything to do with Led Zeppelin . Those chasing that Les Paul sound,I demo those Pickups on my channel .
My knowledge came from Clive Coulson( Jimmy's Right Hand Man)
Clive was a customer of my Guitar Shop in New Zealand.
Hello Don
Thanks a lot for your fast answer and advice.
I will try the treble bleed.
Thanks
Mário
Great video Don! I did an easier version of this mod to my SG a couple of years ago, but I used Seymour Duncan's Triple Shot rings to ease the pickup selection, leaving only 2 push-pull switches for phase and series/parallel on volumes and standard tone knobs. Cheers, Andre
Thanks for the video, very helpful!
Is there a reason for having 2 wires going to the ground lug of the 3 way switch? Unless I'm mistaken, they both go to ground on the bridge volume pot.
thx you for this video, i done it last week, it works and prefer it over the non 50 style jimmy page wiring which i found at SD, and wonder, it seem to be only one master volume ,wonder is it something i can have both 50 style and both volume control for the bridge and the neck ?
thx so much
Can you do a video on the Jimmy Page No. 2 Les Paul? It has the same wiring plus two more DPDT switches hidden under the pickguard.
Hey Sean... Let me look it up and see what I can do.
Don
@@BrejaToneWorks yes please !!!
Hey awesome video. Like a few others having a few problems getting it to work. Any chance of getting the PDF of the instructions?
I'm dizzy, now how again will this get me out of trouble with the wife.
I love your videos getting ready to wire up my SG now just reg vintage, I only watch this because I enjoy and had to see everything the J P wiring could do.Thanks
Thanks for the mod, i will try something similar on a strat
Worked great! Was a bit daunting for my first real soldering project, but this video really helped me be successful. Only way it would be better is if you showed the actual soldering!
Is it possible to use most of this wiring on a 1 volume, two tones with pull switches and a 3 way toggle switch? Basically the same but only 1 volume pot.
Thanks.
Great vid, but there are a couple of problems. As well as the situation of the black wire from the neck pickup appearing to be ground on the B-vol - (it should just go to the B-vol switch) - from around 8.05 in the commentary you have the pickup names and controls mixed up. Also there seems to be two ground wires from the switch to B-vol (only one required). I hope this helps clarify any confusion.
thanks much for this video. I'm getting close to ripping the pcb wiring out of my 2013 Standard and either doing this or trying to do a 50's style + Peter Green mod. I think this uses regular 50's wiring but replacing the Neck tone with a push/pull to Put the neck and bridge pickups out of phase. I don;t know, however, if this would be series or parallel or how exactly to wire it up.....Have you ever done one of these? The JP is always what I've wanted for all the combos but I really can;t see myself using all these options...... Thanks again.. great info
Hi. I don't know if you'll see this, but can someone clarify a point for me?? If the pot is in it's "normal" position (pushed in, knob closest to the body), are A1/A2 and B1/B2 engaged or A2/A3 and B2/B3 engaged according to this wiring scheme?
Thank You!
What a great video. I have a question, im using Bourns pots, are the A1 and B1 lugs at the base of the pot or the shaft end of the pot?
Followed instructions and diagram,, and it works 100% thank you for this brilliant video.. a happy Les Paul owner I am :)
Did you use CTS or Bourns pots? I'm already trying to wire it up and think if there are any slight differences between them in respect to lugs order (a1,b1,l1, etc.)? I decided to use Bourns pots and the schematics in internet show different set of lugs are interconnected. I don't know if he mentioned pots of which company he uses in this wiring.
Wondering if I could have a little further clarification regarding the diagram- I am using Bourne's pots and I am wondering as far as the numbering, are the 6 vertical terminals numbered as if I am holding the pot with shaft facing down, or are they numbered as if the shaft is facing up? Same with the 3 horizontal lugs too I suppose, as which way the shaft is facing would affect that as well.
Pretty awesome diagram, thank you for making this, it really helped me out! I am having a bit of trouble as to my Bridge Tone isn't varying in tone and the Neck Volume just cuts the p/up altogether. Any suggestions Breja ToneWorks?
Efrumful email me directly at BrejaToneWorks@gmail.com and I can shoot you a copy of the instructions. My first suggestion is to go back over them step by step to make sure you're in good shape. After that - we'll have to take on other potential troubleshooting. Don
Hey there. I just noticed my seymour duncan '59 has only two wires (the other pickup is a JB with four wires). If i use a regular pot on the neck volume, will everything else work fine? (i think it'll work but im not sure about it). thanks!
I wired everything exactly how you showed it. Wiring the switch to those spots doesn't do anything but make the pickups sound the same as well as stopping the volume knobs from working. Do you know where I could have gone wrong in this
Hi. I'd like to ask if could it be possible to change this wiring a little bit? I have a 2-conductor vintage SD Dimarzio in bridge and I'd like to pair it with a 4-conductor humbucker in the neck position using this diagram. I wonder if it can work that way. I understand that it may trim down the 21 tone pallete but it doesn't matter as long as the whole modified wiring works fine.
Hi Don, do you have a wiring schematic like this where instead of a series switch, you have a blower switch where everything is bypassed and only the bridge pickup is on by itself straight out?
Hi there !! you have a good day. I have a question I have a guitar but my Esp Ltd dimarzio humbucker and I are interested in that connexion in my guitar I could instead of having the coil split on volume and tone potentiometers since I have 2 ... could use 4 dpdt switch to make sound changes on the guitar. Thanks sorry for my English translation is in Spanish only speak nice day :)
Hi! Thank you for this video! Could i ask you why at 4:30 you connect permanently the black and the green wire of the bridge pickup? The Black is the North coil start and the green is the south coil start, of you connect them the whole pickup will be shorted and silent. am I correct? Thank you!
Mike
I understood, it is reversed with respect to the neck.
So this might be a dumb question, but when you solder the wires to the “top” of the pots, are you talking about the top of the A1,2,3 and b1,2,3 block? If that makes any sense.
I want to mod my HSH with a five way switch to include a neck and bridge together option, can these series/parallel and out of phase mods be applied to that moded HSH?
Nice tutorial...thanks, i've done this wiring and i have an issue, maybe? when i pull the neck tone up(all other pots down) with the bridge p.u. or the middle position selected, i get a kind of boost? the neck volume control controls both pickups, the bridge volume does not work at all. bridge tone does work, what is happening? i don't see a tone diagram for this from your 21 tone walk section of your video
thanks for your time
i am digging the tones i'm getting
c
I have the same problem. The wiring harness is hooked up right except where the two wires from the switch don't work where he has them. I hooked them up to the volume pots and it still stop the volume from working. I tried hooking the wires up to the center lug and the split coil doesn't work. Did you find a fix for this. Please let me know if you have
G'day there mate. I am about to start building a DIY Guitars SG Kit guitar, and am thinking of using the Vintage tone wiring for one pickup (most likely the brighter neck pup), whilst wiring the other Modern. I play Thrashing, Grinding, Doomy, Blackened Death Metal and want deep, dark & ominous tone for the Death Metal sound, and grating, harsh highs for the black Metal sound.
Possibly use the Russian paper & oil caps for the Modern Bridge pickup, and the little round ones for the Vintage Neck pickup.
Is this a feeseable option? Will it work?
And would it work well, with this Jimmy Page 50's wiring.
I love the sound of 21 different pickup tone settings to choose from.
And here I was initially thinking I would have only the Volume pots as push/pull switchables, but after viewing this vid, I've fast changed my mind on that!
I may possibly add a small two-way toggle switch for each pickup also, a volume bypass switch, for "Strobe Effect" type cutting in & out by just flicking the switch on & off, like on my Yamaha RGX1212S.
Thanks HEAPS for your wiring info, you're a huge help.
Cheers!
***** Again - the caps will only come into play if you turn down your tone pots. If you leave them open, it won't matter what cap you're using. If you do want to really darken your tone via the tone pot, use a .047uF or even a .1uF cap (Whichever type is fine in this case). These will remove the most treble. It will get very 'boomy' but maybe that's what you're looking for. If not - move back up to the .022uF and see what she does for ya. You can use any cap you'd like with the JP wiring - again, they are not magic. They will remove the higher end of the signal. They impact your tone in a subtle way. Don't expect a massive tonal improvement by simple changing your caps. To be honest - changing pickups will have the most impact on your sound/tone. Best of luck. Don
Thank you so much for your superb tutorial. I am about to put Suhr Thornbuckers into a Epiphone LP Custom Pro. I think the Suhr has the same wiring code as Seymour Duncan's, ... I'll have to measure them anyway to confirm.
Wiring diagram is top shelf. You went above and beyond and people appreciate that. One question, is it safe for me to assume you used Gibson Pickups for your rewire? Reason I ask is each manufacturer uses a different color code system for their hookup wires (I'm sure that isn't breaking news to you) and I will need to convert the colors to suit my pickups. Thanks for your time and your awesome video.
Mike... Actually mine uses the Seymour Duncan HB pickup wire colors. I believe it goes like this with these two companies:
SD
Slug Poles: Black Start (Hot) / White (Finish)
Screw Poles: Red Finish / Green Start
Gibson
Slug Poles: Red Start (Hot) / White Finish
Screw Poles: Green Finish / Black Start
I appreciate the comments and thanks for watching. Best of luck.
Breja ToneWorks
Did you have any switch positions were there was no sound or "dead spots"? Will the guitar run series mode only when in the neck position or will it function in the middle and neck positions in series as well?
Very Cool! You guys have the best DIY vids!
I am considering this for a LP 12 string build, but using push push pots and adding a mini humbucker in the center, and would want in phase out of phase, bridge, neck, center....neck, center....bridge, center....and center/mini only options. Is this doable minus adding another switch or pot? TY
+Something from NoThing email me directly at BrejaToneWorks@gmail.com
Hi Breja Toneworks. I have a guitar been build to me last year - a tribute guitar made after single cut specs. I have 3 humbuckers, a 5 way switch and a kill switch ( actually it is a 3 way being used as kill switch) I´d love to really make a "tonemashine" out of this guitar. It is my boyhood dream. Would the Jimmy Page wiring be applicable to 3 pups? I still only have 2 vol and 2 tone pots? the way the 5 way is connected now is: Bridge; bridge- middle; middle; middle - neck; neck.I hope you and maybe others might find my question interesting enough to grab the challange sort of speak.Regards
In the full wiring diagram there are two ground wires leaving the switch, one towards the bridge volume and the other to the bridge tone pot. However, it is not needed later in the steps towards the tone pot. What is the right one? Assuming it's not needed, only once to the bridge volume pot, also after checking the two pics, that wire doesn't go to bridge tone, but bridge volume, basically twice, as the bridge volume grounds the bridge tone with the same curve. Please confirm.
Seeing as manufacturers make their pickups all differently. Which brand of pickups is this specific to? Gibson, Seymour Duncan, DiMarzio?
I'm just unsure about the north start/finish and south start/finish and if that would affect the wiring. Cheers in advance if you get a chance to answer 👍🏼😁
the 'tone master' is Tony Iommi
listen to BLACK SABBATHs albums after Master of Reality !
I have never heard those tones done since !
Iommi is the tone master
Didn't work on my LP. I've played this video and checked and re-checked the wiring 7 times now. I even set it down and walked away for 3 hours and came back to it refreshed. Nothing! Not a sound. Perhaps if I sleep on it and attack it again in the morning? Very frustrated.
I had bought a pre-wired Jimmy Page harness online last year. It didn't work out of the box. I looked over their diagram and noticed they missed 2 jumper wires. It sounded great after that, but I didn't like that it would cut out when I had it on the bridge pickup and pulled the tone knob. So I wanted to give this one a shot. Wish it would have worked.
Hi, love your video. Just bought 4 Push/pull pots SPST. Is it possible to achieve this wiring with them or should I get DPDT instead? Thank you. Such a useful video.
This circuit needs DPDT switches.
Hi there
I. Was wondering if you've done a vid of two humbuckers that are single conductor, with a three way switch and two pots
I take it you're looking for a Dual HB with single Vol and Single Tone - right? If so - email me at BrejaToneWorks@gmail.com I believe I have what you're looking for.
Great presentation,
What is Mr.page's
favorite tuning
Not sure.
Hello thanks for your helpful video.
I have the Jimmi Page wiring by Seymour Duncan site installed in my Les Paul.
I love and use all the tones, but when I roll down the volume pot I notice a loss of treble.
Does this also happen to you with your wiring?
Should I try a treble bleed?
Thanks a lot
Mário
Hey Mario... A treble bleed is easy to try and see if it fixes what you're hearing. Unfortunately I don't have this mod in any of my guitars at this time (too many combos for me to remember) so I'll have to turn this over to the other viewers to comment if they notice any significant treble loss. Either way - a treble bleed is easy and cheap enough that it's not bad way to spend five minutes with your guitar. Best of luck... Don
were you able to fix this issue?
Seymour Duncan had a JP diagram that was 21 tones BUT it was not '50s wiring so turning down the volume will lose lots of treble. Fortunately, switching it to 50s wiring is very easy (you just move one capacitor solder point to the vol pot middle lug, and that's it. Do this for bridge vol + tone and again for neck). At least, that's how it works for a Les Paul. I did it on a Tele too, but that's the limit of my experience.
@@davidrees1840 I did the treble bleed mod and now it works perfectly. But thank you very much for this suggestion
@@mariobarrela Glad it worked out for you :)
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Great video, but what brand of pickups (and wiring colours) and DPDT switch (CTS?) is this based on?
Duncan wire colors. No specific DPDT switch. They're all the same.
Great tutorial! Thank you!! Would you recommend adding treble bleeds to these as well? If so would they still go from the L1 to L2 positions? Where is your modern Jimmy Page wiring video, I can't find it. I'll be taking on this project within the next few weeks.
+ProBird79 Depends on your pickups but they're not the worst thing to add. Especially in this case as trying to add them AFTER all of this other wiring is done is going to be a challenge. What you could do is extend the leads on the treble bleeds so that if you don't like them (or wish to change to a different type), you can do it easier - and yes, they'd go on the same L1/L2 lugs. I don't have a modern version of this scheme.
Thanks for the reply Breja. I've read that the 50's wiring doesn't need a treble bleed due to how the circuitry is wired, and it's only necessary for the modern wiring? In the video you mention you have a modern version so I assume you are talking about how the capacitors are wired differently (9:28). Again, GREAT tutorial!!
+ProBird79 Personal preference but Yes, in a normal situation you don't need the treble bleed with the vintage wiring.
I had my Bourns wired modern, decided I wanted to go 50s. Tried it last night, followed this exactly, and got no sound in the end. I've wired plenty of pickups and have a lot of experience doing so. But I'm not sure why I go too sound. My pickups have the same color scheme as Seymour Duncan. Is it safe to assume your colors are the same?
A500k audio taper push/pulls for all? B500k linear taper? Or combination? Any opinions?
Do you have a wiring diagram for this but 3 volume and 1 tone for a 1958 Les Paul black beauty. Or if anyone has something on one. Thanks.
Excellent video tutorial
I am about to attempt this. I've ordered everything i need except, i don't know which capacitors i need.... Help! What are the right capacitors. Iv got SD humbuckers 2 A500k push pulls, 2B500k push pull. A 3 wat toggle, output...... Just need to know the right capacitor.
@@JYZProductions Great info thank you Dash what's a heat sink look like where can you get one? Thanks again
Hi, very thanks for your video.I used this wiring diagram for my Gibson SG. My guitar included Seymour Duncan SH 2 N and SH 4, 4x CTS push-pull 500K 2x Orange drop 022 caps Beautiful sound, especially out of phase. But I have a little problem with bridge volume and neck tone controls. bridge volume works on 50% and neck tone don't regulated absolutely. Please help me, dear Breja. Thank you!
Great video, just one question. I'm looking forward for a Jimmy Page 50's Mod but I want the tone controls to split the coil not the volume ones, is that possible? Many thanks.
It is possible - you'd just have to swap the switch wiring on the Push/Pulls. I don't have anything showing it - you'd just need to keep track of the wire swapping.
Thank you but I don't know how to do it. Is there any link or info I can get? (swapping the Push-Pulls). Maybe one day you can upload it. I find very comfortable using the tone control for coil split because they are on the right side of the guitar body. I have a Yamaha SA 2200 that has coil split only (tone Push Pull x2). Thank you again. Best wishes.
Great stuff ! If i dont want the out of phase option can i just forget the X on the B tone pot ?
+luclucas135 ummm... I'd have to really think that through if that's all you'd need to do. I believe so but I'd have to test and don't have a guitar to test on right now. Sorry.
Ok thanks anyway, your diagrams are crystal clear & very user friendly, great job !
Are the combinations @11:42 and beyond correct ? Why would both pickups be on if the selector switch is set to the Neck position ?
I think it runs them both in a series. I'm about to attempt this myself but the diagram that came with my kit is wired a little different. I'm really not to sure which I'm going to try.
12-11-18 - Between 8:12 and 9:14 in your video (wiring review section), there are some major errors in the narrative and the illustrations you are trying to use under the narrative. The narrative and the illustrations used during the narrative here do not match at all.
Starting at 8:03 in the video (reviewing the pickup wirings), the narrative does not match the illustrations.
- 8:03 - illustration changes to the bridge pickup wiring page
- Narrative at 8:10: "...if we start with the neck pickup..." and starts explaining the neck pickup's wiring >> but uses the bridge pickup wiring illustration
- 8:43 - illustration changes to the neck pickup wiring page
- Narrative at 8:44 "...Same ting if we look at the neck pickup to ensure we have the right wiring..." - but the narrative starts to discuss the bridge pickup wiring... yet uses the neck pickup illustration in the video under this narrative... continues incorrect narrative/illustration until 9:14
- 9:15, "...and there you have it"... concludes the "review", illustration changes to the completed wiring diagram.
Hello there!
I just finished wiring up following your video step by step for the second time in a row.
My bridge pickup is giving me no sound, only the bridge position where the single coil works just fine on the volume.
Can you please help me?
Did you checked the pickup cables before doing the circuit to see if they were all well connected?
If so, there must be a short somewhere, check the solder in the pots to see if they are not too big as to interfere the signal.
I recently finished the circuit and can testify it works. Cheers
This is the way I wanted to wire my guitar, but with only 2 pots, I can't do it. The phase swap is easy, but for the series/parallel, I think I am limited to series/parallel between the two pickups or series/parallel within one of them. Is there much difference between sounds if the two pickups are joined in series rather than parallel?
Series connected coils sound much like humbuckers, while parallel connected coils sound more like a single-coil.
hello thanks for video, whats code is for potensio are A 500 or B 500?
So, wait... What happens with the pup selector in the bridge position and only the bridge tone push-pull engaged?
Old as hell video but on Bridge Volume and Neck Tone engaged, would you not have the south coil (screws) of the bridge? Also, on all four engaged, would you not have the north coil (studs) of the bridge engaged?
Hi I am going to be doing this mod next week when the rest of the parts arrive but I have a quick question. I will be using some NOS Vintage Jensen Caps but I noticed these caps have one end painted red (+)?and one black (-)?. So which ends would go to which lugs? Will I be able to use these caps? Thanks. Love your videos. I have learned so much from them.
+Nyles Reynolds Hey Nyles... I'm not sure what caps exactly you have but guitar caps don't have polarity meaning it won't matter positive or negative. Email me a pic of you caps at: brejatoneworks@gmail.com and I'll try to help ya.
+Breja ToneWorks Usually, polarized capacitors would be used in DC applications while non-polarized in AC applications.There are advantages and disadvantages for both, like polarized capacitors have a higher leakage current and act as a short-circuit when connected the wrong way. Also have a lower frequency response, but they are smaller than non-polarized capacitors of the same capacitance. An old trick used in budget cross-overs is connecting 2 polarized capacitors back to back (- to - or + to +)
Finished this the other night. Worked perfectly. Sounds amazing
The outer or foil layer of the capacitor is negative and should be connected towards ground. Doesn’t always make a big difference but it is a difference and sometimes it is really noticeable.
I just finished this on my 2007 Epiphone Standard, and all the unique tones work. The problem is, the bridge pickup is only giving about half the output of the neck pickup.
I'm pretty new to guitar electronics. Where should I start looking to find the issue? The pickups are the Duncan Whole Lotta Humbuckers, and they tested at appropriate resistances out of the box.
I am exactly the same - did you ever fix it? Everything looks 100% but the bridge is so weak
It was a switching issue in the three way switch
There are 2 wires from the selector switch to the bridge ground, @2:07 and @3:37, are both needed?
hey friend!!! Did you take the two connections to ground or only one ???
Okay so I followed the video step by step and when ive plugged the guitar in only the neck pickup works, if i pull the neck tone pot the neck can be heard in all three positions of the pickup selector but at a reduced volume. If i play through overdrive and switch to the bridge pickup there is an extremely faint signal come through but i can't make out if its the bridge or neck that I'm hearing.
Any ideas as to what could be the issue ?
Ever figure it out?
I just did the mod and I'm having the same problem.
@@dustindinsmore5448 I took it to my local technician and he said the wiring was perfect, turned out I had been sent a faulty bridge pickup so I got a replacement and stuck that in and everything was fine
I'm glad that worked out for you but I just got brand new pickups and they should be working just fine. 😭
@@dustindinsmore5448 Mine were also brand new, I just received a dud so I messaged the seller and got a replacement sent out. Check the pickups with a multimeter if you can
I will when I can. 😰
I'm just wondering. When the pot is pushed down (normal), is A2/B2 connected to A1/B1 or A3/B3.
Don... A question please :D
Can you show us the process of turning a 2 conductor pickup into a four conductor one?
Is this even recommended?
+Chainsaw Productions Some people have done it but most will just get a new pickup. I've damaged pickups just by handling them at times - I certainly don't trust myself to try this.
Another Great video. Could you please do video on a les Paul bypass to bridge mod please? It's the only Gibson one U haven't done. It's the 4 th pull on new les Paul standards u pull it and it bypasses all tones and volumes and goes straight from bridge to output Jack. Thanks
+dazscrivo Let me see what I can come up with... :)
Also have you tried this wiring scheme for Jimmy page? I know a few techs who followed Seymour Duncan Jimmy page wiring and it didn't work properly without tones bleeding from pickup sections not supposed to be on. Cheers
Great Job... Thanks so much, I'd be very interested in you new wiring concept... btw I sub'ed
Hi breja. My tech wired my les Paul like this but for some reason the best sounding sound is bridge selected with neck and bridge tone both pulled out, it sounds awesome but that setting shouldn't do anything from your explanation here you don't mention that setting. Do you think it could be same as neck selected with bridge and neck tone pulled out which you say activates both pickups in series out of phase. Cheers pal
Sorry - but I don't have this mod going on any of my guitars anymore but if my memory serves me right, I thought there were several combinations of the Bridge in HB mode where the push/pulls didn't have an affect. Is the sound you're getting different than just the Bridge alone?
At end of this video you explain what all the selections do but there's no mention of that selection. Witch bridge selected and both tones pulled out the guitar gets a huge boost and sounds more treble and clear it's really powerful just one tone pulled out quite muddy.
With not witch typo
I'll have to believe you. I don't have this wired up anywhere to test or verify what is happening. Next HH guitar I have an opportunity to put this wiring back in I'll give it a test.
Friend, what pickups you recommend for that connection? Thank you
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Can someone please help?: If I'm trying to install a coil-cut resistor (a la PRS) to the neck pickup, where would it go? He's got it so that red and white are going to different switches, and it can't tell how the finish wires are being grounded. I was going to install a resistor between L3 and A2 on Bridge Volume, but can't figure out the Neck cut circuit. Thanks!
I have two les pauls , one has the push /pull on the volume the other has the push pull on the tone .
Can you please help me out with that , I'm a little confused about this.
Hey Don, I wired this up the other day. my neck pickup has sound , but my bridge has nothing. I've thoroughly checked the all the points and they are good. There is a hum when the guitar is plugged in. Any suggestions?????
+ben bennett It's a complicated wiring schematic. Email directly and I can send you step by step instructions so you can dbl-check your work. brejatoneworks@gmail.com
Breja ToneWorks could I get a step by step diagram rlewisfondis@gmail.com (Jimmy page 50's style) duncan pickups
I see in your complete wiring schema that you have two wires running from the ground lug of the switch--one as part of the ground wire harness to the bridge and another grounded to the bridge volume. Is that correct?
+Stewart Hockenberry No - I missed that extra one. You don't need it. My mistake. Sorry.
+Breja ToneWorks -Got it to work--thanks for your excellent walk through of this complicated schematic.
This diagram doesn’t match up to the one on Seymour Duncan website for the Jimmy Page wiring. Which is correct?
It is better to follow Breja’s words or simply the images? I read in some comments that at a certain point it becomes quite confusing..🥲
Hey. I just tried the 50's style jimmy page wiring and it didnt work properly at all.. can you tell me what the colours mean ie green = south finish, black = north start? im pretty confused trying to convert seymour duncan colours to gibson. acoording to seymour duncan colours you have the north start and the south finish connected together on the bridge volume? Please help and many thanks..
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I got there in the end! Cheers for the awesome vid!!
I got there in the end! Cheers for the awesome vid!!
i have a epi 1275 i would like to do this to. i have the diagram for this guitar for the basic set up. but when i try to add them together and do it i just get a mess. i woul dliek to do this think you can make it easer for me?
+joe burg I see what you're doing - you're just rubbing it in that you have a dbl-neck and I don't. :) Ok - I'm not 100% sure, but I believe on the 1275, the controls are Vol/Tone for one neck and Vol/Tone for the other neck (At least on Gibsons). To do this mod on this type of guitar, the DPDT switch has to come first instead of last as it most likely is now in your guitar. You'll need to complete redo all the wiring in the guitar and make the neck selector switch the first switch in the circuit.
you said you need 4 wire humbuckers but how come the one you use in the example have 5 wires? where does the 5th wire come from? Thank you
The "5th" wire is actually the braided ground wire of the pickup.
Awesome. Thanks so much.
I've wired my guitar up to a T according to this diagram
Unfortunately my neck pick up sounds like it may already be split even though the neck volume switch is down
and when I lift the NVswitch it does nothing?
it sounds like the screw section of the neck pick-up Is NOT nearly as loud as the stud portion of the neck pick up when tapping with a screwdriver.
I was wondering if you or anyone has any info that maybe this diagram is off?
i'm using Seymour Duncan same color 4wire JBJ Humbuckers..
Identical push pull parts .22 capacitors.
wired identical two diagram?
Thanks in advance
please help! lol