Darth Marr is so awesome that I had to make another video! ruclips.net/video/VTM_ZWhvv4A/видео.html&t This legend of a Sith resisted death and the void, so he could stick around to see the death of Tenebrae through. Marr is THE legend.
Darth Marr is a sith lord the Empire did not deserve but needed. He would've been the greatest Sith Emperor. He is one of my favourites OR Sith Lords. "It is you who fears death 'Valkorion' not me ! I will not kneel !" True badass.
With Marr as Emperor, he might have actually made Sith just be and stay as equally powerful as the jedi/old republic....or at worst he would have wanted to conquer all, yet not destroy everything.
Darth Marr was a true Sith. Among the people he was a legend. I do truly believe he cared about the empire he served and it's people. One of the few Sith to have this attitude.
When he said to vitiate/valkorion "you fear death 'valkorion' i do not" darth marr basically stated the last sentence on the jedi code which means he is no longer can be considered a sith
@@jigolocana7492 Yes but also no. The sith also concerned themselves with detaching themselves from worldly concerns but saw them in a very different light to the jedi. They were chains to be broken but chains can also serve a purpose. Darth Marr had in a sense broken the chain that was his fear of death. His own and that of others. And refused the chain of servitude to Vitiate/Valkorion.
Marr in his later yeras was what the Sith don't want to be. When Sith become like Marr the cease to be true Sith. He contradicted fundamental Sith philosophy. He hated the selfishness, elitism, hunger for power and need for domination of the Sith, despite the fact that these attributes are the basis of what makes someone a Sith (besides force-sensitivity, obviously). That's why he adopted parts of the Jedi code into his personal philosophy ("There is no death, there is the force.") which made it possible for him to become one with the Force. Something, no true Sith could ever achieve, because to become one with the Force you have to accept that the Force is alive and has a will. Other than Sith who try to unnaturally bend the force according to their will, you have to see the force as an ally and act according to it's will. This makes him the only "Sith" for whom the phrase "The Force shall set me free." ever became reality. It's the ultimate fallacy of the Sith: They think that freedom and eternal life can only be achieved by following ones selfish ambitions, victory and breaking one's chains. But in reality, they never gain true freedom, as they are trapped within their selfish ambitions and never-ending hunger for more and more power that will inevitably lead to their downfall. No mater, how much power a Sith gains, they will never be truly free. They also lose the only chance of true eternal life (becoming one with the force). Marr was open-minded enough to avoid this road to perdition. Or in other words, you can only really break your chains by violating the Sith code, which is what Marr did. The Jedi code may not be perfect but the Sith code only leads to ruination.
@General Grievous the Usage of the Force merely depends on the Point of View, like Dark Side alchemy or Random Sith Knowledge and Be used for good if you know your way around them, or the Light Side Techniques can be used for evil
Marr is my favorite Dark Council member. He's the only one that always put the empire before himself. Other lords, like Thanaton and Baras actively undermined Imperial war efforts for their own gain, but to my knowledge Marr never did that and he will forever have my respect for that. Every time I go through the game I always pay him proper respect because he deserves it.
Thanton undermined the Empire because the Sith Tradition he follows ultimately damage the empire in the long run like the destruction of the Fuel for the naval force of the inquisitor while it may have been damaging to Thanaton in the long run it would have damaged the Imperial Navy even more. and Baras was egotistical maniac who hungered for power.
That's why the Sith Empire was destined to fail. Sith philosophy is not fit to be the basis of a society. Darth Bane was smart to reestablish the Sith as a secretive Order under the Rule of Two. Marr was one of the best hopes for the Empire because he contradicted the fundamental attributres of Sith philosphy. Relentless ambition, hunger for power and domination, and using everone and everything only to advance one's own interests is what the Sith do. It's the Sith way! Marr rejected this and thereby wasn't a true Sith.
@@seb0rn739 i dont know about Thanaton but Baras is pretty pathetic for a Sith. He had the right idea but his execution is weak ass. If that is a true sith then the empire is bound to fail no matter what. Why cnt they beat the pubs first before fight each other? Lol
@@seb0rn739 there's plenty of force ghosts who were undeniably darksiders though. exar kun, darth bane and ajunta pall fall into this category. even though pall was redeemed, he died and remained a darkside ghost until revan claimed his blade. the mechanics of ds force ghosts are unexplained so far, yet becoming an ls force ghost is the only way we know of through lore. it's very possible that the rules are different for darksiders. it's too early to presume that you have to be somewhat on the light in order to remain sentient within the cosmic force
tbh as much as people hate that Marr is dead i think he died at the right time, Id rather Marr died before he became an overplayed and worn out charecter like Revan. Better to miss a good charecter then be sick of an overplayed one.
Marr has genuine badass authority to him. Every time I was with any of my Sith characters in front of whole Dark Council, there was no mistake - Marr was THE Council. Not just his visage, but also the way he talks. He's no spoiled "BUT I AM INVINCIBLE" brat, like most of Sith tend to be, he is actual master, who doesn't have hurt ego and has absolutely no need of prooving anything to anyone. Reminds me of GoT btw... "A king who has to remind others he's a king, is no king." - fits Marr greatly, he never had, and never will have, to remind anyone who he is with empty words.
Of all the sith lords I know of, Darth Marr, Darth Nox, and Darth Malgus are my favorites. Satele Shan is one of my favorite Jedi, after Obi wan and Mace Windu.
Marr did make one final appearance. When Tenebrae attempted to merge the minds of Satele and several of her students, the Alliance Commander, Kira Carsen, and Lord Scourge journey into Satele's mind to destroy Tenebrae once and for all. Darth Marr, Revan, and many others joined in this final confrontation against Tenebrae. After Tenebrae was finally killed, Marr finally found peace is now one with the Force.
UK Drill Fan he probably would’ve been, but this also assuming he’d survive the war with Zakuul which every Dark Council member with the exception of Acina died in.
Can we also appreciate that Marr is pretty much the only sith to be a force ghost? Not including Vader since when he died, he stopped being a Sith at that moment. Marr died AS a Sith
@@lablimpet Neither Marka Ragnos, nor Nihilus, Bane or any other Darksider became one with the force. Thereby they aren't force ghosts but Sith spirits. Only Jedi or other Lightsiders can become one with the Force (Yes, this means that Marr is a Lightsider or at least a grey Sith.). The Jedi are right, when they say that "There is no death, there is the Force". Upon becoming one with the Force, you keep your conscience but leave your physical boundaries. You become truly immortal and can manifest yourself (in any form of your choosing) in the physical world by becoming a force ghost anywhere you want and even interact with the physical world to some extend. Sith spirits are a totally different thing. Darksiders cannot become one with the force. Sith deny the truth that "There is no death, there is the Force" and instead think that death is the end (which is also one of their sources of fear, as Sith feed on negative emotions like fear). Some very powerful Sith refused death to be their final end. They really are dead but they still struggle against it. They “persist through sheer force of will” but unlike Force ghosts they are bound to a place (like a tomb), an object (like a holocron) or a person (like the Sith Inquisitor in the game). This means, that Sith spirits are merely ghostly remnants of once-powerful but now dead Sith, while force ghost are the immortal conscious minds of powerful Lightside entities. The Lore on this is pretty extensive but if you really want to get into this topic: comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/understanding-the-nature-of-force-ghosts-sith-spir-1675517/
Hello people! So, I do really like this "Explained" series, but personally it feels a lot more like a Story Time thing, should we change the name? Let me know what you think!
SWTOR Central Maybe you could make it The Central Archives and turn it into a little bit of a series like was done with the Timeline videos from the Old Republic. Maybe you could make it a bit of an In Character thing, where various narrators tell the lore from the perspective of a character that lives in the game. You could have guest narrators, other RUclipsrs, your followers willing to partake in it. I'd love to help with the lore and maybe record some lines for you ^_^
If we talking about Darth Marr as a "Sith", he is not "best" then. But That is why is he is better than most before, then and after his life. Ultimate Leader who carries more about The Empire as society and power in the galaxy. Too bad that Darth Malgus is "face of SWTOR", kinda. Because everytime you see Darth Malgus, it's like: "Okay bruh, you are cool. But what is your role here?...". In that time Darth Marr did some extremely important decides to The Empire, such as coalition with The Republic to confront Revan, searching for Emperor, tries to be the Leader of The Empire in time when every other Sith tried to grab the power at hands.
He was great at controlling the Sith Order to a degree that infighting was reduced to probably the least the Sith had ever had before. He started the change in the Empire that Acina and Vowrawn continued, and he learned the lesson of a united Empire from our good friend Malgus.
I'm torn between Marr and Malgus, I feel that Malgus might have handled the Eternal Empire better from a alt viewpoint.But I like them both and also Decimus
Draesx Malgus might have taken action and executed a very well thought out assault. It's hard to tell... That being said, Marr out classes Malgus, big time imo.
@@SWCentral how does Marr outclass Malgus in any way? Power feats Malgus by far outclasses Marr. Intelligence Feats it’s more of a debate, but Malgus still takes it. Malgus completely succeeded in creating a sith empire free of infighting and xenophobia. His sith followed him out of respect and loyalty, rather then fear, and manipulation. He was responsible for the capture of Coruscant, planning, and leading the assault. Which literally won the empire the war. But council members, including Marr chose to squander it to bargain for peace, that never lasted. Malgus was the first to see AND act on the failings of the empire. Marr saw them, but did next to nothing. He tried to change to empire slowly. To no avail. Marr is literally just a Malgus who failed to act. Hell Marr even opposed Malgus’ empire despite it literally being everything he thought the empire should be.
Darth Vowrawn was the only non human on the Council during the beginning of the SWTOR storyline, however he was well respected among the Council being one of the most influential.
@@SWCentral Basically Sith purebloods are humans too. Despite of what they are called, they aren't really pure-blooded, they just show a lot of the physical characteristics of the ancient Sith, before they cross-bred with humans. In the Sith Empire Sith "Purebloods" were regarded even higher than regular humans.
He didn't die, he became immortal by becoming one with the force. He is also the only "Sith" ever to achieve true immortality and freedom. All thanks to him rejecting Sith philosophy and adopting parts of Jedi philosophy instead.
Agreed 7:50. I mean he does have cool armor at first glance, but didn’t really mind him as character. Later I began to admire him. He is truly one of the greatest sith who has ever lived. I thought he might side with Darth Jadus, because of his plan for a better Empire, but in the end Marr won’t sacrifice his people💪🏻.
Too bad they listened to the whiners and gutted the trilogy leaving Marr and a bunch of other things in limbo. That's SWTORs biggest fault, they listen too much to the noisy few, instead of trying to find a balance, it puts the game development all over the place.
Well just from his name I will take the risk and say he had to of been a bloodline relative to Visas Marr, they have very similar traits and powers, and never seeing Darth Marr's face could leave the possibility he was at least part Miraluka.
Everyone says they dont know the past of Darth Marr in all the videos ive seen, But i feel like its pretty obvious he has something to do with Visas Marr from Kotor 2, It would make sense if she had some part in training him imo. She was a dark side jedi for years after all, being trained by Nihilus, until The Exile turned her to the light. But that doesnt mean in the future she couldnt have had a padawan to turn to the dark side, as im pretty sure in the lore she goes onto recreate the jedi council along with other people? Idk
It's up in the air. We've never had confirmation of relation between those two. I have asked before, with no concrete reply. Anyways, the thing is with most of the Sith we meet in SWTOR. Is that they all came to their position during the war (The one we saw in the cutscenes for the game before it launched). When we play the game, it starts after that war has "ended". So the Sith we meet, again, are all champions of the previous, drawn out war. I feel this was used a shroud explanation for a lot of the Sith to cover up their origins for future plot lines. Example, Darth Jadus returning? He could have an awesome back story connected to Marr when they were younger or anything. We don't know I suppose. But they do now have the creative freedom to play with it, if they choose to.
not really a marr fan, but he was the only reasonable authority figure. every other high ranking sith, save vowrawn, just seemed to play their villain card all the way.
He just doesn't believe in the backstabbing and infighting bullshit that all the sith do. He was still sith but like jadus, he didn't have a hurt ego and instead uses his brain
@@wrynightraven5255 This in fact, made him a grey Sith. Bachstabbing and infighting is what Sith inevitably do! True Sith could never dedicated themselves to anything but themselves. Marr was good for the Empire BECAUSE he was no true Sith. Not the backstabbing and infighting of the Sith is what is bad for the Empire; THE SITH are what is bad for the Empire.
Anyone else think that in the old republic era the empire where the good guys ? Look at the dark side vendor on the so called good guys space station , vandalised and attacked, look at the light side vendor on the so called bad guys space station , zero vandalism .
Dont care what anyone says biggest balls in the entire galaxy every fuckin council member either bent the knee or ran away but not this guy he had the fuckin stones to say fuck the emperor I'm against the fact you want to genocide the entire galaxy and he was the only fucker smart enough to ally himself with the republic because divided no chance together a small chance my favourite sith of all time now I know I may be biased but marr in my opinion deserves the most respect out of all sith in existence
How the hell did a dark side user become a force ghost? I know there were sith spirits bounded to a place or an object but Marr became a light side Jedi like force ghost. How is that possible!?
Some sith lords are said to remain in this world long after they are dead. They roam their tombs in silence for hundreds or even thousands of years. Darth Marr became a ghost because his will was not yet complete. His ghost came across Satele Shan and they argued about philosophy until they eventually found a mutual ground. One of Marr's quotes for you. "In life I dismissed the Jedi code. I was wrong. There is no death, there is only the force and it, has a plan." - Darth Marr
Honestly if he was still alive I think he would’ve made peace with the Jedi because as I see it in the Star Wars universe I think the Sith to be a warrior striking down the enemy by any means necessary but also have a code of honor like Marr and the Jedi be the shields who defend the people who cannot defend themselves because let’s be honest the jedi were never meant to be warriors guardians and sentinels possibly
I've seen Marr's face. He's a balding black man in his 50s or 60s. I kept his lightsaber with me after he died too. Like I did with Acina and Dramath. Unfortunately I can't use any of them, but it is turning into quite the collection.
No, that's not what he meant. Marr never had a char model for his own face, they used a placeholder, they used Mandalore the Vindicated's face --- literally.
Oh I knew what he meant, but I was kindly disagreeing. At this moment it is literally the only face he has, and no one can say he doesn't have it. For instance, if they never give Marr his own face, I will find it quite interesting if people continue to refer to the face he does have as, "a placeholder." The character is dead in in the story, the Marr apparition appears in mask only, it's been several years since he died. That "placeholder" is very likely permanent.
Very true - but I think it can also be said that his face was never meant to be seen so they never gave him his own face and never will so we will never know, and that the ph was just that, a ph lazy way for them to not give him his own model and therefore not his face as I dont think they intended any one to strip his mask off when they made him a temp comp.
@@Mediados I have sleepless nights... More than a year has passed since my first reply, yet there has been no answer to my ponderous question. Returning today, I see it is still not yet time, maybe it will never be...
Darth Marr is so awesome that I had to make another video! ruclips.net/video/VTM_ZWhvv4A/видео.html&t
This legend of a Sith resisted death and the void, so he could stick around to see the death of Tenebrae through. Marr is THE legend.
Darth Marr is a sith lord the Empire did not deserve but needed. He would've been the greatest Sith Emperor. He is one of my favourites OR Sith Lords. "It is you who fears death 'Valkorion' not me ! I will not kneel !" True badass.
With Marr as Emperor, he might have actually made Sith just be and stay as equally powerful as the jedi/old republic....or at worst he would have wanted to conquer all, yet not destroy everything.
@@13thmistral Darth Marr is a true badass. He had more integrity than any other sith presented. Also, has a sexy voice.
Bro was a legendary sith that bordered more on grey Jedi lol.
did anyone know that marr's vocabulary wasn't his greatest weapon?
yea, his vocabulary wasn't his greatest weapon, his reputation was.
LMFAOO y’all got me dying 😭
Darth Marr was a true Sith. Among the people he was a legend. I do truly believe he cared about the empire he served and it's people. One of the few Sith to have this attitude.
Agent Krypton thank You
no, he was a new breed of sith. the true sith are the other fools.
When he said to vitiate/valkorion "you fear death 'valkorion' i do not" darth marr basically stated the last sentence on the jedi code which means he is no longer can be considered a sith
@@jigolocana7492 Yes but also no.
The sith also concerned themselves with detaching themselves from worldly concerns but saw them in a very different light to the jedi.
They were chains to be broken but chains can also serve a purpose.
Darth Marr had in a sense broken the chain that was his fear of death. His own and that of others. And refused the chain of servitude to Vitiate/Valkorion.
Marr in his later yeras was what the Sith don't want to be. When Sith become like Marr the cease to be true Sith.
He contradicted fundamental Sith philosophy. He hated the selfishness, elitism, hunger for power and need for domination of the Sith, despite the fact that these attributes are the basis of what makes someone a Sith (besides force-sensitivity, obviously). That's why he adopted parts of the Jedi code into his personal philosophy ("There is no death, there is the force.") which made it possible for him to become one with the Force. Something, no true Sith could ever achieve, because to become one with the Force you have to accept that the Force is alive and has a will. Other than Sith who try to unnaturally bend the force according to their will, you have to see the force as an ally and act according to it's will. This makes him the only "Sith" for whom the phrase "The Force shall set me free." ever became reality.
It's the ultimate fallacy of the Sith: They think that freedom and eternal life can only be achieved by following ones selfish ambitions, victory and breaking one's chains. But in reality, they never gain true freedom, as they are trapped within their selfish ambitions and never-ending hunger for more and more power that will inevitably lead to their downfall. No mater, how much power a Sith gains, they will never be truly free. They also lose the only chance of true eternal life (becoming one with the force). Marr was open-minded enough to avoid this road to perdition.
Or in other words, you can only really break your chains by violating the Sith code, which is what Marr did. The Jedi code may not be perfect but the Sith code only leads to ruination.
Marr may have been a Sith, but if you ask me, he was a hero at the end. And even though Valkorion killed him, Marr had the last laugh.
@General Grievous the Usage of the Force merely depends on the Point of View, like Dark Side alchemy or Random Sith Knowledge and Be used for good if you know your way around them, or the Light Side Techniques can be used for evil
Exactly who achived true immortality? Valkorion or Marr?
@@olle12 I'd say marr since he became one with the force
@@olle12 I mean Valkorion was pretty immortal ngl
@@marseldagistani1989 Sith can never be good! Ever! It's incompatible with their philosophy. Marr just wasn't a true Sith.
Marr is my favorite Dark Council member. He's the only one that always put the empire before himself. Other lords, like Thanaton and Baras actively undermined Imperial war efforts for their own gain, but to my knowledge Marr never did that and he will forever have my respect for that. Every time I go through the game I always pay him proper respect because he deserves it.
Thanton undermined the Empire because the Sith Tradition he follows ultimately damage the empire in the long run like the destruction of the Fuel for the naval force of the inquisitor while it may have been damaging to Thanaton in the long run it would have damaged the Imperial Navy even more. and Baras was egotistical maniac who hungered for power.
That's why the Sith Empire was destined to fail. Sith philosophy is not fit to be the basis of a society. Darth Bane was smart to reestablish the Sith as a secretive Order under the Rule of Two.
Marr was one of the best hopes for the Empire because he contradicted the fundamental attributres of Sith philosphy. Relentless ambition, hunger for power and domination, and using everone and everything only to advance one's own interests is what the Sith do. It's the Sith way! Marr rejected this and thereby wasn't a true Sith.
@@marseldagistani1989 Thanaton and Baras both were true Sith. Marr wasn't, that's why he was so good for the Empire.
@@seb0rn739 i dont know about Thanaton but Baras is pretty pathetic for a Sith. He had the right idea but his execution is weak ass. If that is a true sith then the empire is bound to fail no matter what. Why cnt they beat the pubs first before fight each other? Lol
@@kingcobra2858 Baras failed because all true Sith fail eventually.
He sounds to me like Dark Side Qui-Gon Jinn, especially with how he became a force ghost.
That's a great way of describing him.
Except that wasn't a true Darksider. Otherwise he wouldn't have become one with the force.
@@seb0rn739 there's plenty of force ghosts who were undeniably darksiders though. exar kun, darth bane and ajunta pall fall into this category. even though pall was redeemed, he died and remained a darkside ghost until revan claimed his blade. the mechanics of ds force ghosts are unexplained so far, yet becoming an ls force ghost is the only way we know of through lore. it's very possible that the rules are different for darksiders. it's too early to presume that you have to be somewhat on the light in order to remain sentient within the cosmic force
@@djacksonart yeah but his type of force ghost is light side. Same with Anakin and other Jedi. I believe it was because he was truly light at heart.
tbh as much as people hate that Marr is dead i think he died at the right time, Id rather Marr died before he became an overplayed and worn out charecter like Revan. Better to miss a good charecter then be sick of an overplayed one.
There's some truth in that!
I gotta admit that's true
Yes but they could put him in another teaching role as a ghost
1:20 Sam’s greatest skill wasn’t editing, his repetition was because Sam’s greatest skill wasn’t editing, his repetition was.
Marr has genuine badass authority to him. Every time I was with any of my Sith characters in front of whole Dark Council, there was no mistake - Marr was THE Council. Not just his visage, but also the way he talks. He's no spoiled "BUT I AM INVINCIBLE" brat, like most of Sith tend to be, he is actual master, who doesn't have hurt ego and has absolutely no need of prooving anything to anyone. Reminds me of GoT btw... "A king who has to remind others he's a king, is no king." - fits Marr greatly, he never had, and never will have, to remind anyone who he is with empty words.
Yes yes at 1:17 sam suffers a severe case of "Obviously didn't catch that in editing". Darth Marr's influence has caused a great disturbance.
yup that was easy to catch I wouldn't have caught it if I didn't rewind a few times thou XD GG
Of all the sith lords I know of, Darth Marr, Darth Nox, and Darth Malgus are my favorites. Satele Shan is one of my favorite Jedi, after Obi wan and Mace Windu.
Marr did make one final appearance. When Tenebrae attempted to merge the minds of Satele and several of her students, the Alliance Commander, Kira Carsen, and Lord Scourge journey into Satele's mind to destroy Tenebrae once and for all. Darth Marr, Revan, and many others joined in this final confrontation against Tenebrae. After Tenebrae was finally killed, Marr finally found peace is now one with the Force.
If Darth Marr survived I think he would be the best leader for the Sith Empire
UK Drill Fan he probably would’ve been, but this also assuming he’d survive the war with Zakuul which every Dark Council member with the exception of Acina died in.
@@brendan9868 and Darth Nox and Vowrawn
1:17 I guess editing isn't Sam's greatest weapon ;)
LMAO... I never picked that up, good catch!
Dave DO lol
Can we also appreciate that Marr is pretty much the only sith to be a force ghost? Not including Vader since when he died, he stopped being a Sith at that moment. Marr died AS a Sith
Bane and nihilus became ghosts as well
What about Marka Ragnos
@@lablimpet Neither Marka Ragnos, nor Nihilus, Bane or any other Darksider became one with the force. Thereby they aren't force ghosts but Sith spirits. Only Jedi or other Lightsiders can become one with the Force (Yes, this means that Marr is a Lightsider or at least a grey Sith.). The Jedi are right, when they say that "There is no death, there is the Force". Upon becoming one with the Force, you keep your conscience but leave your physical boundaries. You become truly immortal and can manifest yourself (in any form of your choosing) in the physical world by becoming a force ghost anywhere you want and even interact with the physical world to some extend.
Sith spirits are a totally different thing. Darksiders cannot become one with the force. Sith deny the truth that "There is no death, there is the Force" and instead think that death is the end (which is also one of their sources of fear, as Sith feed on negative emotions like fear). Some very powerful Sith refused death to be their final end. They really are dead but they still struggle against it. They “persist through sheer force of will” but unlike Force ghosts they are bound to a place (like a tomb), an object (like a holocron) or a person (like the Sith Inquisitor in the game).
This means, that Sith spirits are merely ghostly remnants of once-powerful but now dead Sith, while force ghost are the immortal conscious minds of powerful Lightside entities.
The Lore on this is pretty extensive but if you really want to get into this topic:
comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/understanding-the-nature-of-force-ghosts-sith-spir-1675517/
I respect and admire Sith like Darth Marr, Revan and Bane.
Revan isn't a Sith, he once Sith as he was a Jedi but in the end he was just Revan.
Marr isn't a true Sith as well, since he rejected Sith philosophy.
Hello people! So, I do really like this "Explained" series, but personally it feels a lot more like a Story Time thing, should we change the name? Let me know what you think!
SWTOR Central Maybe you could make it The Central Archives and turn it into a little bit of a series like was done with the Timeline videos from the Old Republic. Maybe you could make it a bit of an In Character thing, where various narrators tell the lore from the perspective of a character that lives in the game. You could have guest narrators, other RUclipsrs, your followers willing to partake in it. I'd love to help with the lore and maybe record some lines for you ^_^
That's actually a pretty sweet idea... Imma think about this a lot for when the next character comes around!
Bump ^^ Having guests such as swtorista would be very welcome :D
also what marr said about the force having a plan was a reference to kreia in kotor 2
7:22 When Marr said this iv got goosebumps. It felt like a big bro or a father figure giving wise advice. Id cry if i wasnt a Sith.
If we talking about Darth Marr as a "Sith", he is not "best" then. But That is why is he is better than most before, then and after his life. Ultimate Leader who carries more about The Empire as society and power in the galaxy.
Too bad that Darth Malgus is "face of SWTOR", kinda. Because everytime you see Darth Malgus, it's like: "Okay bruh, you are cool. But what is your role here?...".
In that time Darth Marr did some extremely important decides to The Empire, such as coalition with The Republic to confront Revan, searching for Emperor, tries to be the Leader of The Empire in time when every other Sith tried to grab the power at hands.
He was great at controlling the Sith Order to a degree that infighting was reduced to probably the least the Sith had ever had before. He started the change in the Empire that Acina and Vowrawn continued, and he learned the lesson of a united Empire from our good friend Malgus.
I'm torn between Marr and Malgus, I feel that Malgus might have handled the Eternal Empire better from a alt viewpoint.But I like them both and also Decimus
Draesx Malgus might have taken action and executed a very well thought out assault. It's hard to tell... That being said, Marr out classes Malgus, big time imo.
Strategic thinking Sith and Imperials are my favs, Reactionaries seem to always fail fast.
@@SWCentral how does Marr outclass Malgus in any way? Power feats Malgus by far outclasses Marr. Intelligence Feats it’s more of a debate, but Malgus still takes it. Malgus completely succeeded in creating a sith empire free of infighting and xenophobia. His sith followed him out of respect and loyalty, rather then fear, and manipulation. He was responsible for the capture of Coruscant, planning, and leading the assault. Which literally won the empire the war. But council members, including Marr chose to squander it to bargain for peace, that never lasted. Malgus was the first to see AND act on the failings of the empire. Marr saw them, but did next to nothing. He tried to change to empire slowly. To no avail. Marr is literally just a Malgus who failed to act. Hell Marr even opposed Malgus’ empire despite it literally being everything he thought the empire should be.
@@hazardous8301 But Malgus also _died._ Malgus should have gotten himself on the Dark Council seat tbh.
@@CHRF-55457 Malgus isn’t dead though………
i love these swtor-focused lore videos dude
Darth Vowrawn was the only non human on the Council during the beginning of the SWTOR storyline, however he was well respected among the Council being one of the most influential.
Fo sho. Purebloods and Humans are probably the 2 species this Sith era loved.
@@SWCentral Basically Sith purebloods are humans too. Despite of what they are called, they aren't really pure-blooded, they just show a lot of the physical characteristics of the ancient Sith, before they cross-bred with humans.
In the Sith Empire Sith "Purebloods" were regarded even higher than regular humans.
1:20 a glitch in the Matrix
Gobullsredbull Gaming It was such an amazing fact, it needed to be said twice ;)
he like a sith version of Optimus prime
and he must have been train by the spirit of Revan.
I wish he hadn't died but at least he went out like a champ! Defiant as ever. One of my favorite characters of all time.
He didn't die, he became immortal by becoming one with the force. He is also the only "Sith" ever to achieve true immortality and freedom. All thanks to him rejecting Sith philosophy and adopting parts of Jedi philosophy instead.
Marr's my favourite
Agreed 7:50. I mean he does have cool armor at first glance, but didn’t really mind him as character. Later I began to admire him. He is truly one of the greatest sith who has ever lived. I thought he might side with Darth Jadus, because of his plan for a better Empire, but in the end Marr won’t sacrifice his people💪🏻.
Am I the only one that really likes how Darth Marr outfit looks bio-mechanical
I've noticed that, It's the same with Vader's outfit.
Too bad they listened to the whiners and gutted the trilogy leaving Marr and a bunch of other things in limbo. That's SWTORs biggest fault, they listen too much to the noisy few, instead of trying to find a balance, it puts the game development all over the place.
Fantastic video bro
Well just from his name I will take the risk and say he had to of been a bloodline relative to Visas Marr, they have very similar traits and powers, and never seeing Darth Marr's face could leave the possibility he was at least part Miraluka.
you can see his face if you leave with him in the kotfe storyline with him as a companion btw hes a black guy
It's just a placeholder, an actual model for his character was never made.
SWTOR Central oh didnt know that well at least one deep voiced sith lord badass is black
yeah that model is actually mandalore the vindicates model but there is no reason why we couldnt consider that his real face.
Mlg Sty The real reason is that it's not his face :p pleb
@@gwenblagdon8199 well just make take it as "canon" a black human sith lord
i wish i could've sparred with him. but yes, he would've been valuable in my empire-as would satele
Well here we are in 2021. Really enjoyed that thanks :)
Darth Marr is daddy af
Everyone says they dont know the past of Darth Marr in all the videos ive seen, But i feel like its pretty obvious he has something to do with Visas Marr from Kotor 2, It would make sense if she had some part in training him imo. She was a dark side jedi for years after all, being trained by Nihilus, until The Exile turned her to the light. But that doesnt mean in the future she couldnt have had a padawan to turn to the dark side, as im pretty sure in the lore she goes onto recreate the jedi council along with other people? Idk
It's up in the air. We've never had confirmation of relation between those two. I have asked before, with no concrete reply.
Anyways, the thing is with most of the Sith we meet in SWTOR. Is that they all came to their position during the war (The one we saw in the cutscenes for the game before it launched). When we play the game, it starts after that war has "ended". So the Sith we meet, again, are all champions of the previous, drawn out war. I feel this was used a shroud explanation for a lot of the Sith to cover up their origins for future plot lines.
Example, Darth Jadus returning? He could have an awesome back story connected to Marr when they were younger or anything. We don't know I suppose. But they do now have the creative freedom to play with it, if they choose to.
Awesome Sam, really great info!
I like him as a leader and a friend of a republic faction
Darth Marr=🐐
Darth Marr's voice butters my pancakes
dahth maah
Sam stories on Satele Shan and Darth Malgus would be great!
gk66 I very much agree :)
So...you are going to get on those..right LOL?
;)
Our Emperor is out there somewhere
The Bounty Hunter delivered Chancellor Janarus to Darth Tormen, not Darth Marr.
Can you do Darth Jadus next!!!!?
Jack of all Blades Jadus Explained? I'm on it.
You the man! Mate
He is another one i really like. I sided with him on my agent.
not really a marr fan, but he was the only reasonable authority figure. every other high ranking sith, save vowrawn, just seemed to play their villain card all the way.
Jadus was almost the same as Marr
Love all these starwars channels long time., today I googled "what the ef is BBY"..
before the battle of yavin4
Sweet 👍
Marr is my favourite Sith.
I'm curious, is Darth Marr a Grey Sith?
He just doesn't believe in the backstabbing and infighting bullshit that all the sith do. He was still sith but like jadus, he didn't have a hurt ego and instead uses his brain
@@wrynightraven5255 This in fact, made him a grey Sith. Bachstabbing and infighting is what Sith inevitably do! True Sith could never dedicated themselves to anything but themselves. Marr was good for the Empire BECAUSE he was no true Sith. Not the backstabbing and infighting of the Sith is what is bad for the Empire; THE SITH are what is bad for the Empire.
Hector Barbossa is Death Marr in star wars
Marr and Malgus the best sith boys always start with M
Anyone else think that in the old republic era the empire where the good guys ? Look at the dark side vendor on the so called good guys space station , vandalised and attacked, look at the light side vendor on the so called bad guys space station , zero vandalism .
The sad truth :(
Notification squad boiz
On point fam
Dont care what anyone says biggest balls in the entire galaxy every fuckin council member either bent the knee or ran away but not this guy he had the fuckin stones to say fuck the emperor I'm against the fact you want to genocide the entire galaxy and he was the only fucker smart enough to ally himself with the republic because divided no chance together a small chance my favourite sith of all time now I know I may be biased but marr in my opinion deserves the most respect out of all sith in existence
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How the hell did a dark side user become a force ghost? I know there were sith spirits bounded to a place or an object but Marr became a light side Jedi like force ghost. How is that possible!?
Some sith lords are said to remain in this world long after they are dead. They roam their tombs in silence for hundreds or even thousands of years. Darth Marr became a ghost because his will was not yet complete. His ghost came across Satele Shan and they argued about philosophy until they eventually found a mutual ground. One of Marr's quotes for you.
"In life I dismissed the Jedi code. I was wrong. There is no death, there is only the force and it, has a plan." - Darth Marr
he looks cheesy with those spikes on his shoulder
#DadMarr
they should of made marr emperor of the sith
Trying to justify what you said in a previous vid about renaming the server?
Alex Swampy I mean, maybe xD hehe
Hi swtor central do you think darth Marr might be an nonhuman and this is why he started hiding his body and face?
Thomas Geltzer It's a good theory, but it's fact that he is a male human :)
SWTOR Central i didn't know that. Thanks for responding. Hop you have a great day or night depending on what it is where you are:)
No problem man!
Honestly if he was still alive I think he would’ve made peace with the Jedi because as I see it in the Star Wars universe I think the Sith to be a warrior striking down the enemy by any means necessary but also have a code of honor like Marr and the Jedi be the shields who defend the people who cannot defend themselves because let’s be honest the jedi were never meant to be warriors guardians and sentinels possibly
Darth Marr is black guys.
Jason Hill no, Marr never had a face model. They used a place holder just to fill in the gap.
I've seen Marr's face. He's a balding black man in his 50s or 60s. I kept his lightsaber with me after he died too. Like I did with Acina and Dramath. Unfortunately I can't use any of them, but it is turning into quite the collection.
That's Mandalore the Vindicated's face.
Yes. I've noticed a lot of characters in SWTOR share faces. Even some with large roles.
No, that's not what he meant. Marr never had a char model for his own face, they used a placeholder, they used Mandalore the Vindicated's face --- literally.
Oh I knew what he meant, but I was kindly disagreeing. At this moment it is literally the only face he has, and no one can say he doesn't have it.
For instance, if they never give Marr his own face, I will find it quite interesting if people continue to refer to the face he does have as, "a placeholder." The character is dead in in the story, the Marr apparition appears in mask only, it's been several years since he died. That "placeholder" is very likely permanent.
Very true - but I think it can also be said that his face was never meant to be seen so they never gave him his own face and never will so we will never know, and that the ph was just that, a ph lazy way for them to not give him his own model and therefore not his face as I dont think they intended any one to strip his mask off when they made him a temp comp.
Thanks for nothing .......
What's wrong?
Legend states that we will never know what this guy wants
@@EldenJohnathan
This guy: - Comes
- expresses his disappointment
- refuses to elaborate
- leaves
@@Mediados I have sleepless nights... More than a year has passed since my first reply, yet there has been no answer to my ponderous question. Returning today, I see it is still not yet time, maybe it will never be...