The big difference between the 13600k and the 12700k is the cache sizes. The 12700k P-cores have only 1.25MB of L2 and the e-cores have only 2MB L2 per quad set while the 13600k P-cores have 2MB of L2 and the e-cores have 4MB per quad. Nothing is going to matter more than the L2 cache sizes, even clock rates, in most things. The L2 caches make the cores more effective because they don't have wait on data coming from main memory as often. Less wasted CPU cycles means more effective work.
Production workloads cache size doesn't make much, or any difference. There is most certainly be a threshold below which it will have an effect, and I wouldn't know where it is, so eat a grain of salt. In most games the difference is noticeable, but this channel focuses on production tasks
@@netiturtle There are very few workloads that don't benefit from more cache: compiling, 3D scene (NOT games) rendering, CPU video transcoding, and databases. That's about it. Most people use GPUs for video transcoding anymore, so that won't matter much, and databases aren't usually done on PCs. So, that leaves compiling and 3D scene rendering.
I went for the 12700K for a DAW PC instead of the 13600K because of the 8+4 config, the L2 cache on the 13600K doesn't make up for the loss of P-cores on audio for me and the 13600K's 6+8 config would be a downgrade. I watched FL STUDIO exports basically taking the same amount of time (i7-12700H review on Hardware Unboxed) for the 8+0 i7-11800H vs the i7-12700H (6+8 just like the 13600K). The cache only helps on gaming, but the difference is so small vs giant IPC increases and the 12700K is already very efficent and efficient that these comparisons are irrelevant. Also, we are talking about cache on Intel Core Ring Bus, not on an AMD Ryzen CCD.
I'm building a new PC with a 4090. I bought the 12700KF because of a combo deal Newegg had last week. It was a 12700KF, Z690 ASUS TUF Mobo & 32G of DDR5 ram for 412 bux. That's way more bang for your buck than an I5 13600K! If you do 4k gaming, the difference is like 1%.
Same chip but the big difference is the 13th gen version has crash problems which makes the card death waiting to happen,which is why I bough the 12700
right now the i9-12900K is going for $356 on Amazon. Alder Lake prices have dropped precipitously, with DDR5 not far behind. I'm waiting for 14th gen so I can pick up an i9-13900K at rock-bottom prices. I paid way too much last year for my Alder Lake build...
I did my research and on Friday a week ago I bought an i7-12700k from Amazon for $252.73+tax, while the i5-13600k is 317.24+tax. I am very please with my purchase. I looked at the Micro Center combo deal and wanted a better motherboard. So, I bought the Aorus Elite AX D4 from MC and as I said the CPU from Amazon. I had enough gift card balance and CC Reward Points that it ended up costing $47.44 out of pocket. Still you did a great job on the analysis!
In the U.S. Newegg and Mircocenter are offering CPU + Motherboard 12700k combos where the motherboard is almost free to clear out 12700k. If your coming from 7th to 9th Gen i7 and need the best deal possible 12700k looks like a steal for a massive upgrade
I ended up finding a 12700K + ROG STRIX Z690 Itx board bundle for $325 back in June. An absolute steal if you ask me. Paired with an $80 32gb DDR5 kit, and $450 used 3080 12GB. This should last me a good while.
On Newegg this week I got a 12700kf with a MSI Pro Z690-A Wifi DDR4 and 16GB of OLOy DDR4-3200 for $344. Essentially making the motherboard $17 [down from $230]. Paired it up with the cheapest new RTX 3050 possible [MSI Ventus 2x xs 8GB] for an additional $219. Pretty damn sweet deal for building my boss a Photoshop rig.
Got my 12700k with a new MSI Z690 Force wifi for $260 during an insane newegg sale in early july. Moved up from a 3900X X570s build and have been super happy with it. I also got a 13500 with a b760 Tomahawk ddr4 for $300 and running 1440p while streaming I get much better performance on the i7
This is something confusing me. If an i5 can beat an i7 which is a newer depending on the generation, then why bother making i7, i9, i11 or i20 (if they plan to make), than focusing on maybe go making with the Core-i5,13th gen to 14th gen, to 15th gen and soon til they use all the numbers? It's confusing their normal consumers. Can anyone explain it to me?
13600k is $600NZ and the 13700k is $750NZ , $150 difference. It all adds up with all the bits, I got another take on it. like the Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite Ax is a good entry level Z board for the 13600k and the board is the same price as the 13600k. A good Z690 board is $100 cheaper ,and DDR4 Ram is another $100 savings. All so one other thing to note is M.2 PCie 4.0 storage 1TB is super cheap at the moment and only the high end Z790 boards support the M.2 PCie 5.0 and pricey. The 13600k would be a good match with a 240mm AIO so theres another saving. The 13700k really needs a 360mm AIO to get better temps. Here is another way to view it.
I recently bought a 12700K system instead of the 13th/14th gen because of the 13th/14th gen CPU issues. Plus the 12700K was $250 and the 13600K is $350+ The 12700K system is an ASUS Z790-A ROG, 192GB, RTX-3080, WD SN850X, Lian Li Lancool III RGB White, Corsair 850W, etc. The 12700K system is to replace my i7-6950X 10-Core, X99, 64GB, RTX-2060 system so that I can upgrade to Windows 11. The 12700K is 2x the performance of the 6950X.
Same chip but the big difference is the 13th gen version has crash problems which makes the card death waiting to happen,which is why I bough the 12700 I just got a used one today for 200 amaz,13/14 probably never will be fixed
As of 28/12/23 both are 335€ in Greece. As a creator should I go with 12700/Aotus Elite Z690, 32GB DDR4 for €400 (used) or 14600k, Gaming X AX Z790, 64GB for 770€ (new) Thanks! (Currently still on a 3930k, but Adobe dropped 3rd gen support with latest update...)
Right now in india, 13600k is $60 cheaper than 12700K....but I'm sure the prices will drop in a couple months when people here realize that 13600k performs better. Untill last week, 12600k was $50 costlier than 13500 , but now that people are realizing that 13500 performs better or very close to 12600k..the prices have gone down. As usual, our market is very slow on the uptake.
Thanks for this comparison. I have a 12600k and was considering upgrading to a 12700k when I could get one at a good price. I have been checking gaming benchmarks and the 13600k is also better than the 12700k when gaming. I was pretty amazed when the 13600k released how badly it beat the 12600k in workloads. Probably wait till next gen and try and find a 1300k at a good price.
@@epeksergastis yes it is also a great option coming later this year. But arrow lake in 2024 will be great. Arrow lake is already got support in hwinfo.
Yeah of course. Anyone buying a new LGA1700 chip should be going 13th gen; the price differentials between 12th and 13th just aren't significant enough to justify going last-gen if you're buying new.
It's misleading. The gain is from the stock clock speeds being higher on the 13600K. Give them the same clock speed and you'll see that the single thread score is near identical.
@@JustinTimeCuber I bought the 12700K (it's a 2021 AVX512 batch) before 13th gen launch, also the i5 gets a little hotter than the 12700K because of those clockspeeds.
The 13600k overclocks well to, most will do 5.5GHz all P cores, fixed. (25k+ R23@77°C) while undervolted, got mine up to 5.8GHz all P cores, but for gaming there didn't seem to be much difference between 5.5GHz and 5.8GHz. Whilst a little power hungry this CPU is punching well above it's weight, it's incredibly capable, way more than you'd expect from an i5, a true all rounder. Should you already have a good Z690 and RAM ,a BIOS update and you're good to go. The midrange champ without a doubt.
The i5 is slightly better in productivity. The i7 is slightly better in gaming. Because Eff-cores are useless in gaming. The i7 is slightly more expensive (50$ more in my country). This i5-13600K should of been an i7. It has the performance and the price of an i7. But they branded it i5, so that people think they have to get it, because lots of people been buying i5-s for being "good enough" for whatever they do. Genius Marketing Hack on Intel Unless someone is doing serious productivity work, like the type you're doing (editing 4K video for a youtube channel, adding lots of effects/transitions/segments, etc ...); the 13400F should be plenty enough processing power for anyone regardless of what they're doing with it. CPU-processing power is not an issue anymore. At least for the regular users. It was a problem 10 years ago.
is the 13600able to be cooled with the Noctua coolers not water cooling for audio production without a graphics card? I wanna use the Z790 asus proart board.
Thank you very much for your video. In my country, the i5-13600k it's about 411 USD and the i7-12700K it's about 473 USD so here, is a no-brainer choice
I like the 12700K more. My 12700K (is a 2021 batch) reaches 1952 on singlecore Cinebench. Therefore the 13600K is 0.3% better. Multicore gap is 6%. Notice how the 13600K got 3 degrees hotter on your Cinebench R23 run at full load, with a minimum of 38 degrees and the 12700K gets 24 degrees. I watched in gaming that the 12700K stayed cooler as well than the 13600K, 1% lows are so similar.
In the US right now (2 hours after the video went up) The 12700k is $259 The 13600k is $299 And for gamers the 12700kf is only $235 And the 13600k is $295
It is well known that the 13th gen has massive performance gains over 12th gen. Now do the thermals and power consumption. Because the 13th gen uses 200% wattage and runs about 25c hotter under load and 12c hotter on idle. I'd conject 12th gen for longevity and 13th for raw performance.
🙂 the older i7 is $100 cheaper now at some stores plus most 690 790 motherboards support it out of the box with a bios update, so u have alot more motherboards to chose from
Just picked up a brand new 12700k for $214.99 while the 13600k was $280 still. Was a no brainer. I usually then the ecores off anyways gives more cache and overclock headroom for the pcores which would change this scenario even.
That is logical, no? Both have 20 threads, but on the i7 a greater part of those come from hyperthreading. And it makes sense that 2 threads from one core hyperthreading is slower than 2 real cores.
Not really it depends always on the cores and the specifics of the application. E cores look good in benchmarks which don't need much cache and don't do AVX2. Some benchmarks have the P cores with disabled E cores faster than the fully enabled CPU. If non HT cores stall on memory, there's no work it can do, while an HT enabled core can switch virtual thread. It's possible for E cores to slow processing down. The E cores tend to do well on the MT creator work loads.
@@RobBCactive I agree with that as well. The type of CPU workload matters. And it was shown quite well on the few outliers in this set of benchmarks as well. Still, good to see that it turns out 2 E cores > 1 P/HT core in most of those productivity benchmarks.
you cant compare different generation chips so easily for example the price consists more than the cpu. i got the super deal with 12700k and nzxt 690 mobo and 32 gig 3600 mhz ram for 500. also you need to count availability when looking at ddr5 prices
We need Best processor and gpu combo. Intel cpu + NV gpu Amd + Amd gpu Intel + Amd gpu Amd + Nv gpu To avoid bottleneck of cpu and gpu . Can you please provide a list which shows correct cpu for gpu combo .
I'd personally like to see more Adobe timeline scrubbing benchmarks with the AM5 platform. Like is it worth the price to buy 7900x vs 7700x or 7800x when that gets released
i7 12700k is £300 and the i5 13600k is around £250 - why and how is the never one cheaper these are the current uk prices give or take a few pennies here and there.
Hey Sam, not trying to be brash or rude but the ads audio is dramatically different than the rest of the video. Might make more sense to normalize them or re-record...I get it just means time that you may not have but thought I'd give you some feedback. :)
I slightly undervolted my 13600K (to 1.1V) and in Cinebench R23 SingleCore score I got an average of 2008 points. I also powerlimited the CPU to 90W and with this PL, in Cinebench R23 MultiCore I got a score of 19 326.
@@rsmith02 That's true but: 1)with PL 90W even in full load my PC is still relatively quiet (temp at 70 C, with CPU cooler SilentiumPC Fortis 5) and I like my PC quiet 2) currently I don't do any CPU intensive tasks 3) I figured somewhere around that area is the point of diminishing returns - I tested also with PL 125W (CPU UV to 1.1V), with MultiCore score of 22 178 but for now I settled on 90W. In the future, I might change the PL if needed.
Hi, i from Lima Peru Impacto i7 12700k = 449.90 Us dollars Sercoplus i5 13600k = 398.40 US dollars Compu & Vision i7 12700k = 453 US dollars I5 13600k = 390 US dollars
The max my 12400 can handle is 3080. Anything stronger than that gpu and drops and stuttering happens, I know, because I have a 4070ti and the CPU works way smoother with the 3080,4070ti is a less vram/cooler/better dlss version of 3090,which is why I bought this monster cpu 12700 couple days ago for 200 used I bought 12400 2 years ago
From my personal testing if i rank best value for money intel cpu for productive work: 1.14500 👑 (Almost similar score with less power than 13600K, 13500 is replaced by intel default smooth oc named 14500 ) 2.13600K (Could achive higher score but have to disable power limit, which also hurt cooler) 3.12700K
I think for someone upgrading from a 7770k range the i7 could be better. For a budget build also. Since I would still use ddr4 and 12gen mobo. The cooler alone to keep the i5 cold will set you back anything you made up on with the i5, not to mention any hassle that running the 13th gen on a 12gen brings. If money is no problem then definitely the i5 but costs do ramp up when you’re not just buying the cpu and I don’t know if that extra cost justifies a very small increase in performance with games
The 13600k is more efficient since it has 8E (8 Efficient cores) but still has a higher core counts than the 12700k. Maybe the 2 out of 8 performance cores of the 12700 is not performing well. maybe the lazy ones. 😆
@@eprpop This is inaccurate, if this were accurate there would be the same gaming performance or lower gaming performance, IPC and Clock Speeds are both a big factor in gaming, the 13600k has a higher IPC
@@eprpop 13600K has new Raptor Cove P cores, which have better IPC and improved effeciency(see 13700K vs 12900K) and more L2 cache (2MB per core vs 1,25 for 12th gen)
It makes sense that the i5 13600k is faster. You prob got caught up thinkin i7 was better because of the name over i5. But the i5 13600k is the i7 of what use to be. VERY powerful cpu for the price and they call it the best bang for the buck from the 13700k
@@DETERMINOLOGYi hv i7 12700 since launch bro more p cores means more performance. e cores are efficient cores means weak core. simple equation also i hv avx 512 enabled in my cpu which makes much faster than avg consumer i7s or i5s intel has given more e cores for benchmark charts rather real performance. if they were really interested in intrested they wud have given full P core Chip. anyway nver pressume abt ppl buying choices. 😊
great video as always. Sir when you will test new ram like 48GB kit with 7200mhz? I think faster ram with faster ssd will make huge difference in editing
The big difference between the 13600k and the 12700k is the cache sizes. The 12700k P-cores have only 1.25MB of L2 and the e-cores have only 2MB L2 per quad set while the 13600k P-cores have 2MB of L2 and the e-cores have 4MB per quad. Nothing is going to matter more than the L2 cache sizes, even clock rates, in most things. The L2 caches make the cores more effective because they don't have wait on data coming from main memory as often. Less wasted CPU cycles means more effective work.
he doesnt know about PC these videos are to confuse people
Production workloads cache size doesn't make much, or any difference. There is most certainly be a threshold below which it will have an effect, and I wouldn't know where it is, so eat a grain of salt. In most games the difference is noticeable, but this channel focuses on production tasks
@@netiturtle There are very few workloads that don't benefit from more cache: compiling, 3D scene (NOT games) rendering, CPU video transcoding, and databases. That's about it. Most people use GPUs for video transcoding anymore, so that won't matter much, and databases aren't usually done on PCs. So, that leaves compiling and 3D scene rendering.
Bigger cache plus 400 MHz higher frequency is the reason why 13600k is so strong.
I went for the 12700K for a DAW PC instead of the 13600K because of the 8+4 config, the L2 cache on the 13600K doesn't make up for the loss of P-cores on audio for me and the 13600K's 6+8 config would be a downgrade.
I watched FL STUDIO exports basically taking the same amount of time (i7-12700H review on Hardware Unboxed) for the 8+0 i7-11800H vs the i7-12700H (6+8 just like the 13600K).
The cache only helps on gaming, but the difference is so small vs giant IPC increases and the 12700K is already very efficent and efficient that these comparisons are irrelevant.
Also, we are talking about cache on Intel Core Ring Bus, not on an AMD Ryzen CCD.
The 12700k regularly goes on sale for $250. At that price, it's an amazing deal.
I bought mine like a year ago for 320 and it has AVX512 instructions (2021 batch).
MC 2 weeks ago had the 13600k at 249 :)
3 days after I bought my i7-27000K for $279 (Amazon), the i5-13600K went on sale (Amazon) for $249. And that was just a few weeks ago. I was pissed.
@@BDTennessee That same sale also happened on Amazon. 3 days after I had JUST bought the 17-2700K. I hadn't even gotten it in the mail yet. lol
i would buy the 12700 over the 13600 cause 8 p cores are more future proof for gaming :=)
I'm building a new PC with a 4090. I bought the 12700KF because of a combo deal Newegg had last week. It was a 12700KF, Z690 ASUS TUF Mobo & 32G of DDR5 ram for 412 bux. That's way more bang for your buck than an I5 13600K! If you do 4k gaming, the difference is like 1%.
Same chip but the big difference is the 13th gen version has crash problems which makes the card death waiting to happen,which is why I bough the 12700
And you choose right 💯
right now the i9-12900K is going for $356 on Amazon. Alder Lake prices have dropped precipitously, with DDR5 not far behind. I'm waiting for 14th gen so I can pick up an i9-13900K at rock-bottom prices. I paid way too much last year for my Alder Lake build...
I did my research and on Friday a week ago I bought an i7-12700k from Amazon for $252.73+tax, while the i5-13600k is 317.24+tax. I am very please with my purchase. I looked at the Micro Center combo deal and wanted a better motherboard. So, I bought the Aorus Elite AX D4 from MC and as I said the CPU from Amazon. I had enough gift card balance and CC Reward Points that it ended up costing $47.44 out of pocket. Still you did a great job on the analysis!
In the U.S. Newegg and Mircocenter are offering CPU + Motherboard 12700k combos where the motherboard is almost free to clear out 12700k. If your coming from 7th to 9th Gen i7 and need the best deal possible 12700k looks like a steal for a massive upgrade
I ended up finding a 12700K + ROG STRIX Z690 Itx board bundle for $325 back in June. An absolute steal if you ask me. Paired with an $80 32gb DDR5 kit, and $450 used 3080 12GB. This should last me a good while.
On Newegg this week I got a 12700kf with a MSI Pro Z690-A Wifi DDR4 and 16GB of OLOy DDR4-3200 for $344. Essentially making the motherboard $17 [down from $230]. Paired it up with the cheapest new RTX 3050 possible [MSI Ventus 2x xs 8GB] for an additional $219. Pretty damn sweet deal for building my boss a Photoshop rig.
I just upgraded from an i5-9400f to an i7-12700kf.
Got my 12700k with a new MSI Z690 Force wifi for $260 during an insane newegg sale in early july. Moved up from a 3900X X570s build and have been super happy with it. I also got a 13500 with a b760 Tomahawk ddr4 for $300 and running 1440p while streaming I get much better performance on the i7
I got the i7-12700k for $250. I haven't seen the i5-13600k for under $290 yet.
13600k was 250 recently but I bought a 12700k for 200 instead.
This is something confusing me. If an i5 can beat an i7 which is a newer depending on the generation, then why bother making i7, i9, i11 or i20 (if they plan to make), than focusing on maybe go making with the Core-i5,13th gen to 14th gen, to 15th gen and soon til they use all the numbers? It's confusing their normal consumers. Can anyone explain it to me?
i7's last longer and have more resale value, that combination is hard to beat.
@@mikem9536what do you mean by last longer most people have i5 from older gens that still work
In my country i5 13600k costs around 370 usd and 12700k casts around 430 usd
Both are too expensive 😢
in my country i5 13600k costs around 450usd and 12700k costs 435 usd
same price In my country the i7 230$ and the i5 229$
So wich choose for video editing pls??
Right now the 12700kf is on sale for $230 USD, an absolute steal
13600k is $600NZ and the 13700k is $750NZ , $150 difference.
It all adds up with all the bits, I got another take on it.
like the Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite Ax is a good entry level Z board for the 13600k
and the board is the same price as the 13600k.
A good Z690 board is $100 cheaper
,and DDR4 Ram is another $100 savings. All so one other thing to note is M.2 PCie 4.0 storage 1TB is super cheap at the moment and only the high end Z790 boards support the M.2 PCie 5.0 and pricey.
The 13600k would be a good match with a 240mm AIO so theres another saving.
The 13700k really needs a 360mm AIO to get better temps.
Here is another way to view it.
Black Friday 2023 prices. i7 12700k at $211 vs I-5 13600k at $270. I-5 12600k at $153 and I-5 12600kf at $140 really good for a budget gaming build.
I recently bought a 12700K system instead of the 13th/14th gen because of the 13th/14th gen CPU issues. Plus the 12700K was $250 and the 13600K is $350+
The 12700K system is an ASUS Z790-A ROG, 192GB, RTX-3080, WD SN850X, Lian Li Lancool III RGB White, Corsair 850W, etc.
The 12700K system is to replace my i7-6950X 10-Core, X99, 64GB, RTX-2060 system so that I can upgrade to Windows 11. The 12700K is 2x the performance of the 6950X.
Same chip but the big difference is the 13th gen version has crash problems which makes the card death waiting to happen,which is why I bough the 12700
I just got a used one today for 200 amaz,13/14 probably never will be fixed
As of 28/12/23 both are 335€ in Greece.
As a creator should I go with 12700/Aotus Elite Z690, 32GB DDR4 for €400 (used)
or
14600k, Gaming X AX Z790, 64GB for 770€ (new)
Thanks! (Currently still on a 3930k, but Adobe dropped 3rd gen support with latest update...)
i7 is now 234$ in Amazon and i5 is 296 (KF VERsion for both), which is the best pick now?
If you're interested in video editing none of both. Keep the non-f version with graphics.
skip the F version and go for 13500/13600K.
Bro Tech Notice kill you for mentioning the "KF" version 💀💀
In the Philippines, the 13600k cost about $381 and the 12700k for $454 same price as the 13700k
Useful information brother 👍
To use terms like "In human history" is so ridiculous, in the constantly evolving tech industry.
It’s not worth buying any 13/14 they have a permanent crash problem
Right now in india, 13600k is $60 cheaper than 12700K....but I'm sure the prices will drop in a couple months when people here realize that 13600k performs better.
Untill last week, 12600k was $50 costlier than 13500 , but now that people are realizing that 13500 performs better or very close to 12600k..the prices have gone down.
As usual, our market is very slow on the uptake.
Thanks for this comparison. I have a 12600k and was considering upgrading to a 12700k when I could get one at a good price. I have been checking gaming benchmarks and the 13600k is also better than the 12700k when gaming. I was pretty amazed when the 13600k released how badly it beat the 12600k in workloads. Probably wait till next gen and try and find a 1300k at a good price.
Wait for arrow lake desktop cpu, coming in early 2024
get the refreshed 14700k when it comes out
@@epeksergastis yes it is also a great option coming later this year. But arrow lake in 2024 will be great.
Arrow lake is already got support in hwinfo.
@@epeksergastis Maybe but I would rather wait a bit longer for an entire platform upgrade.
@@HDRPC requires a new mobo and ddr5
Right now at Amazon the 12700k is $264.17.
And for a more complete bang-for-buck story, let's see comparative benchmarks for that 12700k on a DDR4 platform.
12900k for 350
What are the clockspeeds of the 12700k? In the powerdraw section we saw it was shown for the 13600K to be 5.1/3.9 but was hidden for the 12700K.
12700k 3.8/5.0
My local Micro Center has the 12700K for 262.98 and the 13600K for $308.98.
Yeah of course. Anyone buying a new LGA1700 chip should be going 13th gen; the price differentials between 12th and 13th just aren't significant enough to justify going last-gen if you're buying new.
This comment aged like milk.
In Canada the Intel Core i5-13600K is $419 - $425. The I12700k goes between $317 - $661! For the $317 the I7 wins out on price, Supervised me.
Almost went with the 12700k, but I decided to go with the 13600k because it has more raw cores. Plus the P cores are stronger in the 13600k
@@samuelworkman2183lol, $350? I just bought one too
It's misleading. The gain is from the stock clock speeds being higher on the 13600K. Give them the same clock speed and you'll see that the single thread score is near identical.
@@Gamevet raptor cove had a small ipc gain as well
@@JustinTimeCuber Nah, same IPC, any gains are either from clockspeed or cache.
@@JustinTimeCuber I bought the 12700K (it's a 2021 AVX512 batch) before 13th gen launch, also the i5 gets a little hotter than the 12700K because of those clockspeeds.
The 13600k overclocks well to, most will do 5.5GHz all P cores, fixed. (25k+ R23@77°C) while undervolted, got mine up to 5.8GHz all P cores, but for gaming there didn't seem to be much difference between 5.5GHz and 5.8GHz. Whilst a little power hungry this CPU is punching well above it's weight, it's incredibly capable, way more than you'd expect from an i5, a true all rounder. Should you already have a good Z690 and RAM ,a BIOS update and you're good to go. The midrange champ without a doubt.
The i5 is slightly better in productivity.
The i7 is slightly better in gaming. Because Eff-cores are useless in gaming.
The i7 is slightly more expensive (50$ more in my country).
This i5-13600K should of been an i7. It has the performance and the price of an i7. But they branded it i5, so that people think they have to get it, because lots of people been buying i5-s for being "good enough" for whatever they do.
Genius Marketing Hack on Intel
Unless someone is doing serious productivity work, like the type you're doing (editing 4K video for a youtube channel, adding lots of effects/transitions/segments, etc ...); the 13400F should be plenty enough processing power for anyone regardless of what they're doing with it.
CPU-processing power is not an issue anymore. At least for the regular users. It was a problem 10 years ago.
is the 13600able to be cooled with the Noctua coolers not water cooling for audio production without a graphics card? I wanna use the Z790 asus proart board.
Thank you very much for your video. In my country, the i5-13600k it's about 411 USD and the i7-12700K it's about 473 USD so here, is a no-brainer choice
In Canada the i5-13600k is about 25% more than an i7-12700k.
i5-13600k is also 25% more expensive for about 5% improvement.
Im split in two😭 for adobe premier, photoshop and LR classic should i go i5 13th gen or i9 12th gen?
prob i9 12900k
14700k
Watching this on a 13700k pulling 280 watts😢
I like the 12700K more. My 12700K (is a 2021 batch) reaches 1952 on singlecore Cinebench. Therefore the 13600K is 0.3% better. Multicore gap is 6%.
Notice how the 13600K got 3 degrees hotter on your Cinebench R23 run at full load, with a minimum of 38 degrees and the 12700K gets 24 degrees.
I watched in gaming that the 12700K stayed cooler as well than the 13600K, 1% lows are so similar.
In the US right now (2 hours after the video went up)
The 12700k is $259
The 13600k is $299
And for gamers
the 12700kf is only $235
And the 13600k is $295
makes perfect sense coz its not same gen. try i7 13700k and i5 13600k which is same gen
Thats the comparison i thought it was when i first saw it of course new gen would be better than old gen now a days
Thats like saying go with a 9900k over a 13900k because the price is about the same
It is well known that the 13th gen has massive performance gains over 12th gen. Now do the thermals and power consumption. Because the 13th gen uses 200% wattage and runs about 25c hotter under load and 12c hotter on idle. I'd conject 12th gen for longevity and 13th for raw performance.
65$ is roughly the price difference here in Czech Republic, Central Europe,
thanks for proper coverage of the topic! cheers
🙂 the older i7 is $100 cheaper now at some stores plus most 690 790 motherboards support it out of the box with a bios update, so u have alot more motherboards to chose from
Just picked up a brand new 12700k for $214.99 while the 13600k was $280 still. Was a no brainer. I usually then the ecores off anyways gives more cache and overclock headroom for the pcores which would change this scenario even.
In Saudi Arabia the 13600k price is 374.USD and the 12700k 373.USD
8 pcores vs 6 pcores, i7 will be better in the future
Intel® Core™ i5 processor 14500 vs Intel® Core™ i7-12700K Processor which will be better?
Hey I'm so confused should i get 3060 12 gb or 8 gb ti version for premier pro, does more vram makes any difference in playback?
Neither... 3070 Ti Super
The 12700k is actually a very powerful cpu.
I worked with 3ds max architecture renderings, which one should i buy pls recommend anyone??
That is logical, no? Both have 20 threads, but on the i7 a greater part of those come from hyperthreading. And it makes sense that 2 threads from one core hyperthreading is slower than 2 real cores.
Not really it depends always on the cores and the specifics of the application. E cores look good in benchmarks which don't need much cache and don't do AVX2.
Some benchmarks have the P cores with disabled E cores faster than the fully enabled CPU. If non HT cores stall on memory, there's no work it can do, while an HT enabled core can switch virtual thread. It's possible for E cores to slow processing down.
The E cores tend to do well on the MT creator work loads.
@@RobBCactive I agree. I would not make the same argument for PC games, for example. In fact, I think for gaming, maybe next gen will need 4 P cores.
@@konstantinlozev2272 the real point is core count is too simplistic, what the cores deliver matters as well.
@@RobBCactive I agree with that as well. The type of CPU workload matters. And it was shown quite well on the few outliers in this set of benchmarks as well.
Still, good to see that it turns out 2 E cores > 1 P/HT core in most of those productivity benchmarks.
you cant compare different generation chips so easily for example the price consists more than the cpu. i got the super deal with 12700k and nzxt 690 mobo and 32 gig 3600 mhz ram for 500. also you need to count availability when looking at ddr5 prices
Which one of these is better for escape from tarkov
Both are better than a 5800X3D.
Why not just drop the e codes altogether and just make a 8-10 performance core CPU? Intel's efficiency is just horrendous.
That's why the i7-12700k is the better choice unless the i5-13600k is cheaper.
We need
Best processor and gpu combo.
Intel cpu + NV gpu
Amd + Amd gpu
Intel + Amd gpu
Amd + Nv gpu
To avoid bottleneck of cpu and gpu . Can you please provide a list which shows correct cpu for gpu combo .
I'd personally like to see more Adobe timeline scrubbing benchmarks with the AM5 platform. Like is it worth the price to buy 7900x vs 7700x or 7800x when that gets released
13th gen can push faster memory as well if you're into that sort of thing
Yes!
I bought my son the i7-12700KF the week it came out and he’s still got it now. Runs a 4070 TUF GAMING OC with it and it’s mint. 👌🏻
i7 12700k is £300 and the i5 13600k is around £250 - why and how is the never one cheaper
these are the current uk prices give or take a few pennies here and there.
Hey Sam, not trying to be brash or rude but the ads audio is dramatically different than the rest of the video. Might make more sense to normalize them or re-record...I get it just means time that you may not have but thought I'd give you some feedback. :)
The 'E' cores are the actual performance cores
13900K, only e-cores, gets the score of a Ryzen 9 3950x
Yeah, try gaming on e cores only😂
@@jwk900it does well if you don't consider the 1percent lows
The more p cores the more smoother your fps frametime is going to be
Do you have arc pc build???
That's why the 13600K is my favorite processor for the time being, as in a CPU that's an all-rounder.
You're comparing two different generations. I got the 12700KF for $219
I slightly undervolted my 13600K (to 1.1V) and in Cinebench R23 SingleCore score I got an average of 2008 points.
I also powerlimited the CPU to 90W and with this PL, in Cinebench R23 MultiCore I got a score of 19 326.
Why such a low power limit? An air cooler should easily handle up to 150W. Mine goes up to 200W without issue.
@@rsmith02 That's true but: 1)with PL 90W even in full load my PC is still relatively quiet (temp at 70 C, with CPU cooler SilentiumPC Fortis 5) and I like my PC quiet 2) currently I don't do any CPU intensive tasks 3) I figured somewhere around that area is the point of diminishing returns - I tested also with PL 125W (CPU UV to 1.1V), with MultiCore score of 22 178 but for now I settled on 90W. In the future, I might change the PL if needed.
13600k - 383$
12700k - 413$
Just looking for sympathy from a developing country)
Hi, i from Lima Peru
Impacto
i7 12700k = 449.90 Us dollars
Sercoplus
i5 13600k = 398.40 US dollars
Compu & Vision
i7 12700k = 453 US dollars
I5 13600k = 390 US dollars
The i9 12th gen special edition, costing less than the 13th gen i5 13600k
🗿💪💪 (Price in italy)
NZD retail price at the mo: $589.00 for 13600K, $647.00 for 12700K
i7 12700k is 215 right now
Yup got mine on Amazon for 215. Slaps price to performance:
@@Tanzu15It's insane the absurd perfomance that it has, it destroys the Ryzen 7 lineup overall.
In New Zealand the 12700k is $647 and the 13600k is $589 NZ dollars
The max my 12400 can handle is 3080. Anything stronger than that gpu and drops and stuttering happens, I know, because I have a 4070ti and the CPU works way smoother with the 3080,4070ti is a less vram/cooler/better dlss version of 3090,which is why I bought this monster cpu 12700 couple days ago for 200 used
I bought 12400 2 years ago
From my personal testing if i rank best value for money intel cpu for productive work:
1.14500 👑
(Almost similar score with less power than 13600K, 13500 is replaced by intel default smooth oc named 14500 )
2.13600K
(Could achive higher score but have to disable power limit, which also hurt cooler)
3.12700K
it's way too high in KSA it's 505 USD for the 13600k and 373 USD for the 12700k
Wow
13600k nearly INR 29K and 12700k is INR 33k
Sir it is desktop
Please,make in laptop
Cpu
But laptop has different processor.
12700h vs 13600h vs 12650h
Got mine for 215 on Amazon just this week. Shits all over 13th gen price to performance.
Sounds like u couldnt dish out few more bucks
yes yes i got 5 frames more in my games plz dont buy the i7 12700k 🤪
or go for a 12600k right now for 190 us dollars.
Canada March 26 2023
Intel Core i7-12700K $387.50 CAD
Intel Core i5-13600K $409.99 CAD
$22.49 CAD in the difference
not much. stay with my 12700k
How abt 13500 for 230$ ?
What about Monitors for Creators ?…..What’s the Best bang-4-buck monitor for creators ?…..is it less expensive to get a 24-inch iMac ?
In brazil they are exact same price, $464,27 the medium price
I think for someone upgrading from a 7770k range the i7 could be better. For a budget build also. Since I would still use ddr4 and 12gen mobo. The cooler alone to keep the i5 cold will set you back anything you made up on with the i5, not to mention any hassle that running the 13th gen on a 12gen brings. If money is no problem then definitely the i5 but costs do ramp up when you’re not just buying the cpu and I don’t know if that extra cost justifies a very small increase in performance with games
What if you edit 4K 😂
So Intel going with 6 p cores for 14th gen won’t be that bad
No that generation was canceled on the desktop it will only be available for the laptops. We will be getting a Raptor lake refresh however.
@@ZackSNetwork what will be the improvement?
OF COURSE the i5-13600 is somewhat better than the i7-12700k! Intel would be embarrassed if that weren't the case!
The 13600k is more efficient since it has 8E (8 Efficient cores) but still has a higher core counts than the 12700k. Maybe the 2 out of 8 performance cores of the 12700 is not performing well. maybe the lazy ones. 😆
You want the one with the lower temps
I paid $269 for my 13600k at microcenter.
Is about IPC
They both have same IPC at the same clock speed.
@@eprpop Nope, every generation have improve IPC, both AMD and INTEL make this for YEARS!!
@@eprpop Hi! No, not the same nothing... IPC is a little bit better, and 5100mhz(13700K has, at all cores) vs 4700(I7 all cores)...
@@eprpop This is inaccurate, if this were accurate there would be the same gaming performance or lower gaming performance, IPC and Clock Speeds are both a big factor in gaming, the 13600k has a higher IPC
@@eprpop 13600K has new Raptor Cove P cores, which have better IPC and improved effeciency(see 13700K vs 12900K) and more L2 cache (2MB per core vs 1,25 for 12th gen)
371€ for both, same price, Slovenia
what??? are you serious brother😮
i hav i7 12700 non k ,asus z690 tuf plus wifi d4,rtx 3070 FE , 32gb vengeance combo
It makes sense that the i5 13600k is faster. You prob got caught up thinkin i7 was better because of the name over i5. But the i5 13600k is the i7 of what use to be. VERY powerful cpu for the price and they call it the best bang for the buck from the 13700k
@@DETERMINOLOGYi hv i7 12700 since launch bro
more p cores means more performance.
e cores are efficient cores means weak core.
simple equation
also i hv avx 512 enabled in my cpu which makes much faster than avg consumer i7s or i5s
intel has given more e cores for benchmark charts rather real performance.
if they were really interested in intrested they wud have given full P core Chip.
anyway nver pressume abt ppl buying choices.
😊
@@CaptainScorpio24 which is why still the 13600 k beats it. If your word was valid we all would be buying 12700k but that’s not the case. Next
@@DETERMINOLOGYIt is beaten in avx 512? How?
i5 13600 is a mistake . just like 3060 was . no reason to upgrade to next gen .
great video as always. Sir when you will test new ram like 48GB kit with 7200mhz? I think faster ram with faster ssd will make huge difference in editing
Looks like the 12700K is closer to a 13500, which is lower cost
Nah, 12700K is a 13600K alternative.
13500 is basically a locked 12600 with 4 four more e-cores. (good for production cpu)
It's so funny in my country 13600k is way cheaper than 12700k, the the difference is about $30 😂😂
371,20 $ i7-12700k poland
Please make 12600k vs 13500
12700k 299£ vs 13600k 266£ in uk