Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 3:02 Dopamine and Addiction 13:48 Tech, Investing, and Addiction 27:35 Managing an Addiction 32:35 Long-term Decision Making and Dopamine 36:22 Pain vs Pleasure in the Brain 44:17 Retirement & Addiction 50:27 Honesty, Shame, and Unwanted Behaviours
Folks I believe I developed an addiction... I'm totally addicted to the Rational Reminder podcast. Cameron, Ben... Keep it up. Can't wait for the next video :)
What an excellent conversation 🎉.much gratitude to both the organizer and speaker So wonderful to see the ethics of financial investing be so clearly brought forth .. BRAVO !
The teeter-totter analogy is a great way to describe the pleasure-pain balance in terms of one goes up the other goes down. An alternative analogy is the yin and yang with yin being pleasure and yang being pain, they are interwoven: the pleasure includes in itself pain and the pain includes in itself pleasure. Our emotional life is continuous movements between pleasure (yin) and pain (yang). Nirvana is entered when these movements cease. Her talk has striking parallel with Buddhism e.g. radical honesty being one of Buddhist precepts/silas (wrong speech, lying), which is foundational for developing concentration/samadhi which then can lead to wisdom/paññā (probably located in the prefrontal cortex).
The move to label everything that releases dopamine an addiction is ridiculous. If you can think of a thing, there's probably someone out there with a serious problem with it. That shouldn't necessarily tell us much about the thing, but instead the person. There are some things that are inherently addictive. But the idea that food and shopping are addictive like heroin is absurd. Yes, everyone is vulnerable to excessive use of a thing or activity. But let's not cheapen addiction by overusing it as a label.
Such a great woman, just went and screwed up any real pain patients lives. This life is all about protecting people...you deserve a Medela for screwing up lives. You should go look in the mirror. What you do affect others. I'm lucky I got surgery. Others ... Suffer.. because .hey you knew all about their lives
It seems silly to dismiss everything "pleasurable" to be an "addiction". She basically is categorizing things as "these things are good happiness, these other things are bad happiness". What makes spending time with other people better than spending time on pleasure? Nothing. Literally just preference. Just let people do what makes them happy and stop criticizing the things they like doing. Drugs, Cigarettes, Internet, TV, Porn, Fast food are perfectly legitimate sources of pleasure and in no way less legitimate than "oh spending time with family and friends" or "improving oneself" or whatever canonical way of "converting time to happiness" you're thinking of. If the takeaway here is "excess is bad" then sure. But there seems to be a lot of labelling activities into "these are acceptable to spend as much time as possible on" and "these are bad" categories. These labelling exercises are not something anyone should be doing for anyone else.
I didn't get that from the interview at all. Early on in the interview, Dr Lembke clearly lists out the four factors that characterise a medical diagnosis of addiction (the "4 C's"). If the things you listed give you pleasure, then keep on doing them. It only becomes a problem if you're doing them to such an extent that you're experiencing negative consequences in your life.
Anything can be addictive if it raises the biochemistry. Addictions are different for everyone. This is for people who recognise that a substance or behaviour is adversely affecting their iife and who want to do something about it.
yea you shouldnt label for others . .. ... ....unless ofcoarse youre Standfords dual diagnosis addiction clinician who's job is to illuminate psychological and neurological pathology and aid in recovery it might not feel good to learn that one of our own behaviours is from the "bad category" but to turn a blind eye seems less good to me
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
3:02 Dopamine and Addiction
13:48 Tech, Investing, and Addiction
27:35 Managing an Addiction
32:35 Long-term Decision Making and Dopamine
36:22 Pain vs Pleasure in the Brain
44:17 Retirement & Addiction
50:27 Honesty, Shame, and Unwanted Behaviours
The bit about non-self / self-forgetting is super interesting.
She is an amazing human being.
Folks I believe I developed an addiction...
I'm totally addicted to the Rational Reminder podcast. Cameron, Ben... Keep it up. Can't wait for the next video :)
What an excellent conversation 🎉.much gratitude to both the organizer and speaker
So wonderful to see the ethics of financial investing be so clearly brought forth ..
BRAVO !
Angelic Words....God bless you. Universe needs You.
The teeter-totter analogy is a great way to describe the pleasure-pain balance in terms of one goes up the other goes down. An alternative analogy is the yin and yang with yin being pleasure and yang being pain, they are interwoven: the pleasure includes in itself pain and the pain includes in itself pleasure. Our emotional life is continuous movements between pleasure (yin) and pain (yang). Nirvana is entered when these movements cease.
Her talk has striking parallel with Buddhism e.g. radical honesty being one of Buddhist precepts/silas (wrong speech, lying), which is foundational for developing concentration/samadhi which then can lead to wisdom/paññā (probably located in the prefrontal cortex).
interwoven is such an insightful word to use here!
Ben and Cameron ..much gratitude for a wonderful session .Bravo on bringing up this conversation into a financial context 🎉🎉
I'm pretty sure I'm addicted to finance videos on RUclips. RR included ofcourse
Great conversation. Many thanks.
Life itself is pretty addictive
Great 😊
thank you!
Just received my RR mug and socks today!
Is it strange that they keep attacking Facebook and tik tok, but not RUclips.. since they're on that platform at the moment?
Healthy foods not addictive .. right ??..
I think something is good + bad is addictive..
46:25 brain is a whaaaa?
Fighting an addiction is like trying to outrun a tsunami
The move to label everything that releases dopamine an addiction is ridiculous. If you can think of a thing, there's probably someone out there with a serious problem with it. That shouldn't necessarily tell us much about the thing, but instead the person. There are some things that are inherently addictive. But the idea that food and shopping are addictive like heroin is absurd. Yes, everyone is vulnerable to excessive use of a thing or activity. But let's not cheapen addiction by overusing it as a label.
Such a great woman, just went and screwed up any real pain patients lives. This life is all about protecting people...you deserve a Medela for screwing up lives. You should go look in the mirror. What you do affect others. I'm lucky I got surgery. Others ... Suffer.. because .hey you knew all about their lives
It seems silly to dismiss everything "pleasurable" to be an "addiction". She basically is categorizing things as "these things are good happiness, these other things are bad happiness". What makes spending time with other people better than spending time on pleasure? Nothing. Literally just preference. Just let people do what makes them happy and stop criticizing the things they like doing. Drugs, Cigarettes, Internet, TV, Porn, Fast food are perfectly legitimate sources of pleasure and in no way less legitimate than "oh spending time with family and friends" or "improving oneself" or whatever canonical way of "converting time to happiness" you're thinking of.
If the takeaway here is "excess is bad" then sure. But there seems to be a lot of labelling activities into "these are acceptable to spend as much time as possible on" and "these are bad" categories. These labelling exercises are not something anyone should be doing for anyone else.
I didn't get that from the interview at all. Early on in the interview, Dr Lembke clearly lists out the four factors that characterise a medical diagnosis of addiction (the "4 C's"). If the things you listed give you pleasure, then keep on doing them. It only becomes a problem if you're doing them to such an extent that you're experiencing negative consequences in your life.
Anything can be addictive if it raises the biochemistry. Addictions are different for everyone. This is for people who recognise that a substance or behaviour is adversely affecting their iife and who want to do something about it.
yea you shouldnt label for others
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....unless ofcoarse youre Standfords dual diagnosis addiction clinician who's job is to illuminate psychological and neurological pathology and aid in recovery
it might not feel good to learn that one of our own behaviours is from the "bad category" but to turn a blind eye seems less good to me