You are totally right. Nusensei once was guest at a turkish horsebow archery school. There you start with one m distance and concentrate only on form and then you start to move away meter by meter. Very slowly, until there is enough confidence and when the groups are good enough. And it makes totally sense.
This is a skill which is absolutely critical to the successful hunter. Learning to hit the target not only at a longer distance, but also at varying distances and learning to judge distances. I like to start by playing "Guess that distance" I guess and then confirm the actual distance using a laser rangefinder....Each season begins with this game and you really get good at it over time. Shooting at random distances is important. I never met an Elk that stood still with an open shot at a perfect 30 yards. 😆 Great video as always, Armin!
Practice with a range finder does not require a bow...fun to compete with friends. This only allows you to learn to visually recognize distances in relation to your measurement system. You must then practice at different ranges. First like Armin shows...starting close before gradually moving back. Then using your range finder to confirm the actual distance, try shooting from random distances. Once you become proficient at this...try shooting from random distances and using your own distance judgment skills to hit the target. Then practice shooting from angles (quartering to...and quartering away shots) and shooting uphill and downhill at your target. It becomes more complicated but give you a better sense of real hunting in the field. You can practice shooting from behind or through cover too. Many times I've had the find a gap where I could "thread the needle" through a gap in some twigs of a thicket. Not something you'd want to try for the first time in the midst of an actual hunt. Some 3D ranges even have moving foam targets. The challenge is a blast and you always learn something new. Great question!🙂
When I started archery I started very close to my target, the length of my bow held by a siyah & my arm outstretched. I started so close, so my ego couldn't distract me & I could focus entirely on making sure my form was correct. After 500 arrows, I took one step back.
See, this is why we call you a world class teacher. I mean I see what your saying 💯 percent. This way of shooting is what we use to do with knife throwing, one step back at a time. This is probably the best way to train ever. This will make you an all around super instinctive archer. (Because you will train at every distance going all the way back) this is the best teaching I’ve seen yet on how to accumulate distance while being accurate. When I first started I doubled the distance and I had such an amazingly hard time. I was stuck at 20 meters for like 7 months straight. I gotta share this video so people won’t fall into the same trap I did.
when i started archery in 2019 by following your advice . 1 meter 3 meters 6 meters 9 meters beyond 9m when changeing distances i would walk backwards and shoot i managed out to 100m then the bow angle was to high as my anchor point was level with my heart so changed tactics ... 150-200m with good grouping thank you again Armin
We apply the same ideas at Braveheart Archery Range. We have an indoor Range with distances up to 25m. Shooting lines from 11m, 13m, 16m, 18m, 20m, 23m & 25m.
This is how I train also for longer shoots, increments of 3-5 steps back and so on, not for the impatient archer hehehe. But you presented it nicely as always in this video how to do it :)
I agree totally I shoot close and get my form perfect shooting and release feeling comfortable even before every competition or practice by shooting close groups at 3 yards Then 5 then 7 and so on I change the starting distance each time so that I feel good at all distance. Nice tutorial Armin thanks great help Mark Washtock
Confidence is key! It is really a mental game with your brain controlling everything. No matter how much we try to remove the emotion, fight or flight will always remain in your brain. Confidence I believe is connected to the fight response in your brain. Any kind of fear or anxiety or doubt in your shot will turn on the flight response in your brain and your focus is removed from the mechanics of executing a good shot. Any sense of doubt when I shoot makes me miss. Great video Armin!
I did the exact opposite in my archery training and I sometimes shoot with people that do the small increments techniques ( they go to an archery club). The results are quite interesting. So with the small steps increments, they do have better groups than me. But whenever we do the old game of picking a random target and trying to shoot it ( who can hit it the first), I’m way better than them. It might be because they aim and I don’t (I shoot instinctively), or maybe it’s because of the difference in training. I guess different training give you different skills.
Armin, I watched this video in 4K. And I have to say that I have never seen anyone with such penetrating blue-grey eyes. They remind me of the Greek goddess of Wisdom and Knowledge, Athena. So I would like to thank you on behalf of the archery community for all the wisdom and knowledge you have shared with us!
Thank you for using the Snake bow for this demonstration. It's low poundage/lower velocity makes the adjustments more dramatic. I have found that this technique is needed for each bow and arrow combination, as they each are unique. Once you have selected your favorite it becomes instinctive, with enough practice.
Totally agree Armin. I have used this method in fighting the dreaded target panic, no panic with a large target at 3m, gradual increase means no big change from shot to shot to trigger it.
Great advice, thank you! Another technique that I use sometimes is to throw arrows out at various distances and start shooting from wherever they land, either forwards or backwards.
Agree completely. I enjoy starting w/ Torba, typically @ 7’. Shoot a dozen in the Torba target. Then start “walk back. Go to 5 yds. Shoot at least three. If it’s a good group, step back two good steps. Repeat, as long as you are producing good groups. If your groups fall apart, stop at that distance until I can correct.
YES! I haven’t even watched this yet, and I know that I will love it! Many thanks for this learning focus, Armin! ... I did! Excellent advice and reassurance of a practical and effective learning approach.
Armin I want to thank you for all your videos, you have made my shooting bow experiences and knowledge of them so much more and shooting skills better due to your videos and knowledge you've handed down to us, I have become a Huge fan of the composite bow world because of your videos ..thank you..
Have you ever seen how Mihai does his attack and retreat attack and retreat ...firing as he steps back left foot retrieve arrow and nock ..right foot back draw and release?? It's very very gradual and so the idea is that you adapt very quickly....this is what I practice because of how quickly you adapt at further and further distance and because combatively it makes sense . So this is the very same idea just different movement which you may or may not be able to keep connected from one shot to the next, but for me I like the flow . Excellent video Armin....going back to basics is exactly what I needed ...thanks buddy
Great discussion I use fairly heavy arrows - 500 spine / 560 grain range on #45 and #55 bows and boy they drop a lot and when I go beyond 25 yards, probably a foot! Thanks for the lesson.
Been shooting recurves and longbows for 60 years now. I can hit balloons and beverage cans constantly at 25 to 50 yards. BUT can't get good groups constantly at these ranges. Never really tried shooting in increments as you've shown. Glad I watched this video, perhaps this is the "secret" to tightening groups. I'm a hunter, and never take shots a game beyond 20 yards.
the distances for the classic recurve in clubs are 10,12,15,18 meters (with 80cm target) for each distance, 6 training sessions 30, 50 meter outside (with 122 cm target) so, the properties of archery : patience and concentration... a good school before choosing your way
I've finally got good enough to try movement in my archery. I got my plastic 26# horse bow with my 34" arrows and made a leather thumb ring out of an old belt then proceeded to walk around my garden shooting lots of different targets/plastic bottles etc and loved it more than anything, shooting for accuracy is mostly disappointing in my case but just hitting the target while moving is more positive feedback . So different from a compound bow at an archery club. 🙏
Thanks tot the training tips. I Will try it the next time I'm at our range. Tour video confirms my gut feeling that the FITA distances 30/50/70/90 are big steps to take.
Hi Meister Armin !! Good lesson !! And when you increase the distance, the village ´s bells ring loud to applaud the result!!!! 😂 Richard "back to bow" Lionheart 👍😎🇫🇷🏹
Yes, patience and concentration i'm waiting for my (new) second bow (recurve Eburon red wing, 60"@30#) for tomorrow, i think 5,10,15,20 meters on my 40cm targets is a good variation for intuitive bow, different from the classic recurve but interesting to increase the coordination eye-hand-target !
I had the same problem with decent targets but bought some large woven plastic sand bags and stuffed them with old cloths, towels pillows etc and they are great, at longer distances and blunter tips the arrows quite often bounce off doing no damage to the bag, put a bamboo cane Infront and hang a milk carton on it, feels very rewarding to Pierce it. Archery doesn't need a lot of money, just a lot of practice and great guidance 🙏
@@johncuthbertson2565 I've actually just the other day got an 80cm straw target. I was wondering what people put in those bags. I'd like to know what Armin puts in his hessian sacks actually
I’m having archery withdrawals ☹️ we have moved to a house with a tiny backyard, and can’t shoot here. Need to get one of those foam targets and find somewhere to practice.
If we have a couple of bad days weather ( we live in UK 🤷🏻♂️) I go in my garage/wife cave and put lots of small circles on a large piece of foam, get a low powered long draw bow and pick a random circle, one arrow attempt so I don't robin hood arrows, try stuff out like opposite hand, different releases and thumb rings etc. I could spend days in there and practice is practice 🤷🏻♂️
Thanks Armin, i couldnt wait to get my bow and try this. I haven't shot an arrow for months with whats been happening in the world and suffering a bad shoulder and neck. I've lost the skill i learnt before. Would using mixed arrow weights have the same effect ? I have several sets of arrows at different grain and find it takes practice to conform to shooting one grain weight to another. Say, if shooting 3 different grain arrows in a set of 10 as an example, all mixed up, would one automatically adjust to the aim without thinking after much practice ?
Excellent video - thank you. Question: I see you were using both sides of bow. Med. draw and thumb draw. Do you find at greater distance the Med. is more accurate?
good question. I always "think" so, as I stared way earlier with 3 finger draw and "think" I would be more accurate. But no :) its the same and just a matter of practice
Personally my idea was to learn archery in 2m increments also., My archery club only shoots at the standard distances and everyone at the same distance. Which annoys me a bit, but most are recurve or compound shooters. The bare bow shooters are mainly experienced (30+ years). Trying to setup something in my garden to shoot short distances. However, what would you say is a decent grouping? Like a 10 cm circle or does it change at different distances?
Personally I'm happy if I hit the area corresponding to the kill zone of a medium size animal (behind fore leg junction, heart and lungs location). Used to this from 3D targets, but if I get this kind of group on a 2D flat target I'm happy with it. . If the group is smaller then it's super cool, if not but still in the kill zone I am also very happy. I never measure the distance between arrows like them Olympics style shooters, I shoot only traditional bows. That's also something you have to keep in mind, a fine group is way more difficult to score with traditional equipment than it is for a modern bow with all the fancy stuff hanging from these. Plenty of guys capable of scoring super tight groups using modern bows on a set distance. And as soon as they don't know the exact range, or have to change a bit their stance, or switch to a traditional bow they can't shoot a damn thing at 10 yards.
@@KroM234 @Armin Hirmer Thanks for both your input. My idea now is to make it as follows: 0m to 5m: 7,5 cm 5m to 10m: 10 cm 10m to 15m: 12,5 cm 15m to 20m: 15 cm Since my garden isn’t any longer I’ll stop there. And it’s only for practice/training purpose anyway. Since I’ve never hunted or shot 3D targets, I don’t know what approximate size the “kill zone” would be. And since I’m making my own target I need something to start with.
@@Jonsoh811 Ok, well I used the distance increments to "re-learn" shooting after switching to thumb release. Worked great for me, I used 2m increments. If you do instinctive shooting, you'll have better groups on 3D targets than 2D flat ones. I struggle a lot to have groups under 12ish cm diameter on 2Ds while shooting same distance on a 3D will often result in crazy tight groups (sometimes arrows touching or nearly touching). 3D targets doesn't necessarly involve a fake animal or something. Just something with enough shape and 3D aspect that your eye can catch upon it better, and perceive the distance, and then aim towards something smaller upon it.
@@user-lv9it1nb4h Agree, but my point is that accuracy is relative to what bow you shoot and what type of target. You cannot expect the same groups depending on which setting and which bow you consider.
great videos. i just recently started archery. what is the best takedown bow out there in the market right now and what bow did you use for this video???
I want to try to build a bow for myself because i have a compound bow but i like traditional bows better but i can't afford it. That's pretty cool that you crafted your own bow even though it's not for you that must have been a neat experience.
Are you shooting with your thumb? Why do you shoot on the right side of the bow? Seems like being a right hand shooter you would have problems keeping the arrow on your hand.
Armin i have a question ? I see alot of Turkish bow shooters holding the bow straight up and down when shooting in posture but I hold my bow tip at about 1oclock , is here a reason some do it that way or am I shooting mine in a bad form or posture? I am also not shooting with thumb ring but with 3 finger glove using both 2 fingers and sometimes all 3 I switch it up sometimes.
Hi, as I heard is kind of the official style in Turkish archery to hold the bow fully upright BUT when shooting thumb release. with 3 fingers I would always tilt the bow (me even with thumb) :D
I've started outdoor season again, and when my arrows miss the target they tend to bury quite a bit more than my olympic style sports mates. Why might that be ?
@@johncuthbertson2565 doesn't seem likely, it does it with both aluminium and wooden arrows, and the wooden arrows I purchased from alibow for that bow. 30# long tatar. I'm wondering whether I may nock too high
@@dumboy886 easy to find out if that's the cause 👍, there's always something to figure out isn't there 🙄, my arrows arrive at the target just a little tilted to the left....still haven't managed to rectify that 🤷🏻♂️
Been shooting thumb release for a few weeks now and I'm almost as good if not better than with Mediterranean release but I feel I'm doing something wrong as my thumb knuckle is really rather tender is this normal and will it fade as I shoot more over time?
@@ArminHirmer I'll stick to my 25lb and stop having the odd play with my 40 and 50lbs for now then. I'm using a leather thumb tab but would a shallow hook ring be better for my knuckle long term? Thank you very much for your timely reply I've watched your channel for a few years now but have finally decided to have a real go at thumb release and am having fun with archery again.
@@ArminHirmer thank you very much I'll have a look for a good ring and stick to the 25 for now. Thoroughly enjoy your videos thank you very much for keeping me entertained and informed about all things Asiatic recurve related.
Shooting 2 or more bows of different lbs (instead of 1) is, to a certain degree, a precision killer when talking 30 m +. At least for me. Because I find it basically impossible to make 2 exactly identical set ups (bow - arrow) în terms of both fps and dynamic spine to bow with 2 bows with 16 lbs gap.
You are totally right. Nusensei once was guest at a turkish horsebow archery school. There you start with one m distance and concentrate only on form and then you start to move away meter by meter. Very slowly, until there is enough confidence and when the groups are good enough. And it makes totally sense.
I watched that video also with Ahmed Karat, I started to shoot un fletched at short distances also. Its really good at showing up a bad shot. :)
I watched that interview, and it seemed that Nu was kinda low key throwing shade at the teacher. Take it from Nu to be acting like an Ol dog. Lol.
Ahmed Karat however was very professional and classy. 🙏
D1
This is a skill which is absolutely critical to the successful hunter. Learning to hit the target not only at a longer distance, but also at varying distances and learning to judge distances. I like to start by playing "Guess that distance" I guess and then confirm the actual distance using a laser rangefinder....Each season begins with this game and you really get good at it over time. Shooting at random distances is important. I never met an Elk that stood still with an open shot at a perfect 30 yards. 😆
Great video as always, Armin!
Everything you write is true - but how do you aim? `Cause if you shoot "instinctive" you don`t need to know the distance to the target.
Practice with a range finder does not require a bow...fun to compete with friends. This only allows you to learn to visually recognize distances in relation to your measurement system. You must then practice at different ranges. First like Armin shows...starting close before gradually moving back. Then using your range finder to confirm the actual distance, try shooting from random distances. Once you become proficient at this...try shooting from random distances and using your own distance judgment skills to hit the target. Then practice shooting from angles (quartering to...and quartering away shots) and shooting uphill and downhill at your target. It becomes more complicated but give you a better sense of real hunting in the field. You can practice shooting from behind or through cover too. Many times I've had the find a gap where I could "thread the needle" through a gap in some twigs of a thicket. Not something you'd want to try for the first time in the midst of an actual hunt. Some 3D ranges even have moving foam targets. The challenge is a blast and you always learn something new. Great question!🙂
good idea Harlin thank for the tip
I practiced for three hours today using this technique. It made for a great afternoon.
When I started archery I started very close to my target, the length of my bow held by a siyah & my arm outstretched. I started so close, so my ego couldn't distract me & I could focus entirely on making sure my form was correct. After 500 arrows, I took one step back.
See, this is why we call you a world class teacher. I mean I see what your saying 💯 percent. This way of shooting is what we use to do with knife throwing, one step back at a time.
This is probably the best way to train ever. This will make you an all around super instinctive archer. (Because you will train at every distance going all the way back) this is the best teaching I’ve seen yet on how to accumulate distance while being accurate.
When I first started I doubled the distance and I had such an amazingly hard time. I was stuck at 20 meters for like 7 months straight. I gotta share this video so people won’t fall into the same trap I did.
I love your videos Armin. Easy, well spoken, not too much talking, good shooting and always a good sense of humor and a little bit of sarcasm.
when i started archery in 2019 by following your advice .
1 meter
3 meters
6 meters
9 meters
beyond 9m when changeing distances i would walk backwards and shoot i managed out to 100m
then the bow angle was to high as my anchor point was level with my heart so changed tactics ... 150-200m with good grouping
thank you again Armin
We apply the same ideas at Braveheart Archery Range. We have an indoor Range with distances up to 25m. Shooting lines from 11m, 13m, 16m, 18m, 20m, 23m & 25m.
This is how I train also for longer shoots, increments of 3-5 steps back and so on, not for the impatient archer hehehe. But you presented it nicely as always in this video how to do it :)
I agree totally I shoot close and get my form perfect shooting and release feeling comfortable even before every competition or practice by shooting close groups at 3 yards Then 5 then 7 and so on I change the starting distance each time so that I feel good at all distance. Nice tutorial Armin thanks great help Mark Washtock
thank you my friend
Confidence is key! It is really a mental game with your brain controlling everything. No matter how much we try to remove the emotion, fight or flight will always remain in your brain. Confidence I believe is connected to the fight response in your brain. Any kind of fear or anxiety or doubt in your shot will turn on the flight response in your brain and your focus is removed from the mechanics of executing a good shot. Any sense of doubt when I shoot makes me miss. Great video Armin!
well said
Nice, this is a small part of how to train to shoot longer distances, I am anxious to see more 😃
Makes sense. If you do it gradually, the body adjusts automatically. Too big a change in distance, you have to get the mind involved.
The timing of this video is great! I was just having confidence issues with my shooting at longer distances
you still have the right way to teach us archery, thank you !
Great video master! Very basic but very important to learn distance shooting! 🙏
I did the exact opposite in my archery training and I sometimes shoot with people that do the small increments techniques ( they go to an archery club). The results are quite interesting. So with the small steps increments, they do have better groups than me. But whenever we do the old game of picking a random target and trying to shoot it ( who can hit it the first), I’m way better than them.
It might be because they aim and I don’t (I shoot instinctively), or maybe it’s because of the difference in training. I guess different training give you different skills.
when they aim, then you cannot compare it at all
Armin, I watched this video in 4K. And I have to say that I have never seen anyone with such penetrating blue-grey eyes. They remind me of the Greek goddess of Wisdom and Knowledge, Athena.
So I would like to thank you on behalf of the archery community for all the wisdom and knowledge you have shared with us!
Thank you
Thank you for using the Snake bow for this demonstration. It's low poundage/lower velocity makes the adjustments more dramatic. I have found that this technique is needed for each bow and arrow combination, as they each are unique. Once you have selected your favorite it becomes instinctive, with enough practice.
Totally agree Armin. I have used this method in fighting the dreaded target panic, no panic with a large target at 3m, gradual increase means no big change from shot to shot to trigger it.
Great lesson as always. Thx I'll work like you say and cose I don't have much distance where I could train myself ^^.
I really like your method of gradually improving at a small steps, but sure steps. :)
Great advice, thank you! Another technique that I use sometimes is to throw arrows out at various distances and start shooting from wherever they land, either forwards or backwards.
Agree completely.
I enjoy starting w/ Torba, typically @ 7’. Shoot a dozen in the Torba target. Then start “walk back. Go to 5 yds. Shoot at least three. If it’s a good group, step back two good steps. Repeat, as long as you are producing good groups.
If your groups fall apart, stop at that distance until I can correct.
YES! I haven’t even watched this yet, and I know that I will love it! Many thanks for this learning focus, Armin!
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I did! Excellent advice and reassurance of a practical and effective learning approach.
Armin I want to thank you for all your videos, you have made my shooting bow experiences and knowledge of them so much more and shooting skills better due to your videos and knowledge you've handed down to us, I have become a Huge fan of the composite bow world because of your videos ..thank you..
Thank you
Have you ever seen how Mihai does his attack and retreat attack and retreat ...firing as he steps back left foot retrieve arrow and nock ..right foot back draw and release?? It's very very gradual and so the idea is that you adapt very quickly....this is what I practice because of how quickly you adapt at further and further distance and because combatively it makes sense . So this is the very same idea just different movement which you may or may not be able to keep connected from one shot to the next, but for me I like the flow . Excellent video Armin....going back to basics is exactly what I needed ...thanks buddy
You help me make a difference. Thank you Armin.
Great discussion
I use fairly heavy arrows - 500 spine / 560 grain range on #45 and #55 bows and boy they drop a lot and when I go beyond 25 yards, probably a foot!
Thanks for the lesson.
Been shooting recurves and longbows for 60 years now.
I can hit balloons and beverage cans constantly at 25 to 50 yards. BUT can't get good groups constantly at these ranges.
Never really tried shooting in increments as you've shown. Glad I watched this video, perhaps this is the "secret" to tightening groups.
I'm a hunter, and never take shots a game beyond 20 yards.
Gradation is still the best like you said, getting in the flow does it best
the distances for the classic recurve in clubs are 10,12,15,18 meters (with 80cm target)
for each distance, 6 training sessions
30, 50 meter outside (with 122 cm target)
so, the properties of archery : patience and concentration...
a good school before choosing your way
Once again you instruction is clear, practical and enables me to work to a definite program, just as I found with your video on aiming. Thank you.
Hi Mr Amir im Anna i use the bow is traditional i ise the tumb to shoot but i just can do 18mitter only, so proud to see you do it that.
I was just researching this today! Excellent video : )
I've finally got good enough to try movement in my archery. I got my plastic 26# horse bow with my 34" arrows and made a leather thumb ring out of an old belt then proceeded to walk around my garden shooting lots of different targets/plastic bottles etc and loved it more than anything, shooting for accuracy is mostly disappointing in my case but just hitting the target while moving is more positive feedback . So different from a compound bow at an archery club. 🙏
agree, yet I would still see to get accurate :)
@@ArminHirmer ohh I haven't given up just variety is the spice of life 😃🙏
Excellent advice as always, Armin! Thank you so much for all your lessons on archery and material!
Excelente video explicando la progresión de distancias de práctica. Gracias.
I'm going get my very first recurve bow tomorrow and I'm excited
Thank you for this video. I will use this technique.
Thanks for the tutor..very improve archers skill..this 5 stars tips..
Thank you... this makes total sense...
Moving closer is also difficult sometimes, as you say. I tried shooting at a candle flame and realised, I can hit it easier at 10m than at 1m 😂
Thanks tot the training tips. I Will try it the next time I'm at our range. Tour video confirms my gut feeling that the FITA distances 30/50/70/90 are big steps to take.
I am referring to instinctive shooting. FITA is using aiming methods and the gap shooting, which makes it easy for this distances
@@ArminHirmer Yes, i am shooting instinctive. Our club has a FITA range and a 3d range. I was merely refering to the distances:)
Hi Meister Armin !!
Good lesson !! And when you increase the distance, the village ´s bells ring loud to applaud the result!!!! 😂
Richard "back to bow" Lionheart 👍😎🇫🇷🏹
hehe yeah I always see to get a nice synchronisation :D
Too modest Senseï Armin !! 🙏🙂🙏
Great video ....gonna make that my new routine
Yes, patience and concentration
i'm waiting for my (new) second bow (recurve Eburon red wing, 60"@30#) for tomorrow,
i think 5,10,15,20 meters on my 40cm targets is a good variation for intuitive bow, different from the classic recurve but interesting to increase the coordination eye-hand-target !
Thank you senseï
Totally agree! Excellent presentation!
Great Advice! ❤
Sage advice Amin, thankyou.
Thank You 🙏
Great video, Thanks.
Once again Great teaching
Thank you ❤
Thank you for your guidance.
Thank you for your great video, this one is intresting
Thank you for this great tip, 🙂
Nice video..... Just what i need
Good bow sir"👍👍 i m from Indonesian
I have a Normal Archery Bow Ambidextrous bow hunting bow and a longbow
We neat a to get Native American Short Bow Maybe the Turkish too
Great video, thanks, and range cats!
Thank you 🙏
Or a good demonstration what’s the Turkish bow
I'm loving my 25lb snake bow, I need proper targets as I'm destroying the arrows I have but I will be doing this exercise
I had the same problem with decent targets but bought some large woven plastic sand bags and stuffed them with old cloths, towels pillows etc and they are great, at longer distances and blunter tips the arrows quite often bounce off doing no damage to the bag, put a bamboo cane Infront and hang a milk carton on it, feels very rewarding to Pierce it. Archery doesn't need a lot of money, just a lot of practice and great guidance 🙏
@@johncuthbertson2565 I've actually just the other day got an 80cm straw target. I was wondering what people put in those bags. I'd like to know what Armin puts in his hessian sacks actually
@@dermotshaw5722 🤔 cats! I reckon 😂
@@johncuthbertson2565 hahaha 😆
I’m having archery withdrawals ☹️ we have moved to a house with a tiny backyard, and can’t shoot here. Need to get one of those foam targets and find somewhere to practice.
If we have a couple of bad days weather ( we live in UK 🤷🏻♂️) I go in my garage/wife cave and put lots of small circles on a large piece of foam, get a low powered long draw bow and pick a random circle, one arrow attempt so I don't robin hood arrows, try stuff out like opposite hand, different releases and thumb rings etc. I could spend days in there and practice is practice 🤷🏻♂️
Random note - 200th like ^^
Is Armin on holiday or something, he hasn't posted video for two weeks, most unusual 😎🏹🙏
Hot here and I am lazy :) tomorrow a new review
@@ArminHirmer we all deserve a break from time-to-time, can't blame you, especially if it's Mediterranean hot😎🏹🙏
i tend to draw longer whenever faced with a further target. this is incorrect right ? and off course resulted in no grouping at all :P
How long does a bow like this last with so many shots? What material is your sports bow made of? Thank you.
notice which side of the bow he places the arrow on. probably the opposite of you if you shoot compound or any modern still version.
that does not matter, I just shoot thumb release, nothing special and way older than 3 finger or compound :)
Single arrow step back & walk forward another excellent warmup exercise for field archery distances practice. &Timely- ¿How did you know?
:D
My First field archery competition is coming up soon. I’ve long been intrigued by how Traditional bows can accurately hit small targets far away.
Thanks Armin, i couldnt wait to get my bow and try this.
I haven't shot an arrow for months with whats been happening in the world and suffering a bad shoulder and neck.
I've lost the skill i learnt before.
Would using mixed arrow weights have the same effect ?
I have several sets of arrows at different grain and find it takes practice to conform to shooting one grain weight to another.
Say, if shooting 3 different grain arrows in a set of 10 as an example, all mixed up, would one automatically adjust to the aim without thinking after much practice ?
one never looses all the skills, they come back quickly. Thats another practice and can be helpful too
I just want to know what draw weight of the bow he is using in this video
Super Danke! Eine Frage: welcher Spine ist für den Rolan Bogen am Besten geeignet?
3 finger 800, Daumen 600
Excellent video - thank you. Question: I see you were using both sides of bow. Med. draw and thumb draw. Do you find at greater distance the Med. is more accurate?
good question. I always "think" so, as I stared way earlier with 3 finger draw and "think" I would be more accurate. But no :) its the same and just a matter of practice
Love your content. Thank you for the help. Quelle est la force de cette arc en particulier que vous utilisez dans la vidéo? 18-22-26? Merci
26#
that's it
I'm new to archery and really enjoy your videos. Out of curiosity is there a recurve bow that doesn't have a centercut shelf?
I am sure there are
Thank you for the reply, I found my answer in your video titled:
Speed and Penetration Comparison: Longbow vs. different Reflexbows
Personally my idea was to learn archery in 2m increments also., My archery club only shoots at the standard distances and everyone at the same distance. Which annoys me a bit, but most are recurve or compound shooters. The bare bow shooters are mainly experienced (30+ years).
Trying to setup something in my garden to shoot short distances. However, what would you say is a decent grouping? Like a 10 cm circle or does it change at different distances?
with distance the group can get a little bigger :) but 10cm for 10m sounds fine
Personally I'm happy if I hit the area corresponding to the kill zone of a medium size animal (behind fore leg junction, heart and lungs location). Used to this from 3D targets, but if I get this kind of group on a 2D flat target I'm happy with it. . If the group is smaller then it's super cool, if not but still in the kill zone I am also very happy. I never measure the distance between arrows like them Olympics style shooters, I shoot only traditional bows. That's also something you have to keep in mind, a fine group is way more difficult to score with traditional equipment than it is for a modern bow with all the fancy stuff hanging from these. Plenty of guys capable of scoring super tight groups using modern bows on a set distance. And as soon as they don't know the exact range, or have to change a bit their stance, or switch to a traditional bow they can't shoot a damn thing at 10 yards.
@@KroM234 @Armin Hirmer
Thanks for both your input.
My idea now is to make it as follows:
0m to 5m: 7,5 cm
5m to 10m: 10 cm
10m to 15m: 12,5 cm
15m to 20m: 15 cm
Since my garden isn’t any longer I’ll stop there. And it’s only for practice/training purpose anyway.
Since I’ve never hunted or shot 3D targets, I don’t know what approximate size the “kill zone” would be.
And since I’m making my own target I need something to start with.
@@Jonsoh811 Ok, well I used the distance increments to "re-learn" shooting after switching to thumb release. Worked great for me, I used 2m increments. If you do instinctive shooting, you'll have better groups on 3D targets than 2D flat ones. I struggle a lot to have groups under 12ish cm diameter on 2Ds while shooting same distance on a 3D will often result in crazy tight groups (sometimes arrows touching or nearly touching). 3D targets doesn't necessarly involve a fake animal or something. Just something with enough shape and 3D aspect that your eye can catch upon it better, and perceive the distance, and then aim towards something smaller upon it.
@@user-lv9it1nb4h Agree, but my point is that accuracy is relative to what bow you shoot and what type of target. You cannot expect the same groups depending on which setting and which bow you consider.
great videos. i just recently started archery. what is the best takedown bow out there in the market right now and what bow did you use for this video???
I used the snake recurve. Best take down asiatic or modern recurve?
@@ArminHirmer modern recurve. i bought s toparchery takedown recurve but its too stiff
Just out of curiosity armin hirmer your a very good archer have you ever made your own bow?
A while ago I made some, nothing fancy. Bowbuilding is not for me :D
I want to try to build a bow for myself because i have a compound bow but i like traditional bows better but i can't afford it. That's pretty cool that you crafted your own bow even though it's not for you that must have been a neat experience.
Thank you for the video. What is the drawback on your bow?? My son and I were guessing 40-45 lbs
the one is this video is the snake recurve which we use for beginners, has 26#@28"
Hi, are those carbon arrows?
Are you shooting with your thumb? Why do you shoot on the right side of the bow? Seems like being a right hand shooter you would have problems keeping the arrow on your hand.
yes thumb, but that does not matter :)
@@ArminHirmer Thank you great shooting!
Exactly what kind of bow are you using in this demonstration?
Snake Recurve by ArcRolan
Armin i have a question ? I see alot of Turkish bow shooters holding the bow straight up and down when shooting in posture but I hold my bow tip at about 1oclock , is here a reason some do it that way or am I shooting mine in a bad form or posture? I am also not shooting with thumb ring but with 3 finger glove using both 2 fingers and sometimes all 3 I switch it up sometimes.
Hi, as I heard is kind of the official style in Turkish archery to hold the bow fully upright BUT when shooting thumb release. with 3 fingers I would always tilt the bow (me even with thumb) :D
@@ArminHirmer Excellent thank you..
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I have a Q on self-learning khatra - is my assertion correct that if I hear the arrow slap the bow it means I did not do it well?
mostly yes, but check the spine of your arrows too
I've started outdoor season again, and when my arrows miss the target they tend to bury quite a bit more than my olympic style sports mates.
Why might that be ?
Could you be using a higher weight bow with heavier arrows?
@@johncuthbertson2565 doesn't seem likely, it does it with both aluminium and wooden arrows, and the wooden arrows I purchased from alibow for that bow.
30# long tatar. I'm wondering whether I may nock too high
@@dumboy886 easy to find out if that's the cause 👍, there's always something to figure out isn't there 🙄, my arrows arrive at the target just a little tilted to the left....still haven't managed to rectify that 🤷🏻♂️
Yay kaç libre ?
Where can i find that black ambidextrous bow. Thank you
its the snake recurve by arc rolan,many online hops have it. if not you can ask info@malta-archery.com
I usually jump 5 meters. And I can always step forward/ back or two.
thats fine
Been shooting thumb release for a few weeks now and I'm almost as good if not better than with Mediterranean release but I feel I'm doing something wrong as my thumb knuckle is really rather tender is this normal and will it fade as I shoot more over time?
take it slow with low poundage bow, your thumb needs to get used to it :)
@@ArminHirmer I'll stick to my 25lb and stop having the odd play with my 40 and 50lbs for now then. I'm using a leather thumb tab but would a shallow hook ring be better for my knuckle long term? Thank you very much for your timely reply I've watched your channel for a few years now but have finally decided to have a real go at thumb release and am having fun with archery again.
@@snotgobblerific shallow hook is great, but needs a lot of practice. Your knuckle will be fine either way. 25# is fine, relax and dont overdo it :)
@@ArminHirmer thank you very much I'll have a look for a good ring and stick to the 25 for now. Thoroughly enjoy your videos thank you very much for keeping me entertained and informed about all things Asiatic recurve related.
Which bow do you use and which spine of arrows?
Snake recurve, I think 600 spine
@@ArminHirmer lbs and inches from the bow?
Shooting 2 or more bows of different lbs (instead of 1) is, to a certain degree, a precision killer when talking 30 m +. At least for me. Because I find it basically impossible to make 2 exactly identical set ups (bow - arrow) în terms of both fps and dynamic spine to bow with 2 bows with 16 lbs gap.
yes, one should stick to one setup for a while
why are your shooting targets so low??
Because it does not make a difference and I like to move my target around
way of simplycity
Someone told me a long time ago: if you wanna go fast then go slow
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