Another hint would be during the discussion between Ben and Kvoth parents. At first, they talk about Kvoth's hands and her mother says he has his father's, and I quote "perfect to seduce young noble girls". Then, a few lines later, they joke about who is Kvoth father and she says "Come to think of it. There was a night, a dozen years ago. A man came to me. He bound me with kisses... and stole me away." I think it's pretty clear at this point.
Also, after she hears Kvothe reciting the chant about Lady Lackless, his mother says he can make it up to her AND Lady Lackless by giving her a hug and kiss.
I enjoyed the video, keep it up :) Another theory I quite like is that Yillish knots are old magic, where whatever is written with the knots people believe to be true. For instance, when Kvothe calls the wind to save Denna, he reads the knot in her hair which says lovely (or beautiful). When she takes it out, he says that he likes it more when it is in. "That is the point" is what Denna says. It makes people view her as more beautiful even if they can't read it. Now the 'lockless' box has carvings that are very faded. I think a knot is carved into the box that says 'lock'. If 'less' is added to it, then it becomes 'lockless' and can be opened. There is quite a bit more to that theory, it would be good to see a video on it!
Wow good stuff. Not to mention that Denna asked Kvothe and his friends about a sort of magic where you write things down and they become true. Also that part about the box, nice theory!
I have a theory as to why Kvothe can no longer do sympathy: I believe that after the events of the king killer part, which we have to arrive to, Kvothe does what he tells the farmer boy he would "if he were Kvothe". He fakes his death, and CHANGES his name, but not Kvothe, but his ACTUAL NAME. Elodin looked bewildered when he misunderstood Kvothe talking about Denna's name changing and hinted at how dangerous that would be, as in messing the persons soul in essence. I believe thats what he did, and thats why he cant use sympathy anymore, because he isnt aligned, he is a mess on a essential level. But I believe he did this to save himself. Maybe after the king killer part, one of his enemies learns his NAME and to prevent them from harming him etc he went with this last resort thing, which is the only kind of plans he tends to follow through. Kvothe the more dangerous and crazy the plan the better.
Excellent idea, i thought this too. But I dont think he lost his Sympathy when he changed his name, I think hes lost all the Names hes learned. Also he might have only locked his name away or part of his name away, in the box that he has at the Waystone Inn.
I agree. I think that even Denna could be the one learning his name. There are some indications that she might end up on the "bad" side of things. And there is that lecture with Elodin where he explains naming by using Fela and Kvothe and "love" to show how difficult it is to learn a name. But i think Denna would know Kvothe well enough to learn his name, unfortunately, thus leading to the actions you described
I don't think he lost his ability to do sympathy at all. I think we find out later there was a showdown with one of the Chandrian and Kvothe learns they can find him when he does sympathy so he comes up with the clever ruse of pretending he cannot. Fooling even the reader to think he has lost sympathy.
What if the Lockless box is the box where the Moon's partial name was trapped by Jax? Felurian said that before the attempt to catch the moon, both worlds, mortal and far, were one and the same. Even the name "Iax" is close to Jax... The wise man Jax found could be the C'taeh...
Extreeme! Perfectly matches my belief that lockless door is the waystone passage to a fae realm!! Fact that Kvothe is partly fae is already mentioned!! Damn waystones and Jax box with name of the Moon! then again, when moon is full on the one side, fae can pass- right,trough an.. what, WELL LOCKLESS DOOR!!
And someone mentioned in another comment that Auri gave Kvothe a key that opens the moon (among other things related to the Lackless poem, a ring and a candle, as well as a coin he couldn't identify)
I think the same.. especially as he left them in his room in a chest in a box when he went on his trip to the Maer.. so they weren't lost in the shipwreck. A ring that keeps secrets.. a key to a door in the moon.. an unknown coin.. and a candle..
Perhaps Master Lorren knew that lady Lackless ran away with the Edema Ruh, and when he heard who Kvothe's father was he new that this would make Kvothe a Lackless heir.
Yes! Lorren asked, "Arliden, the Court Bard?" My first thought was that Arliden's name must be out there in all the gossip about the Lackless daughter that ran off with a Ruh. But also maybe Lorren knows Arliden because they spoke? We know that Lorren travels to collect books, We can guess thats he probably a member of the Amyr, Maybe Lorren met Kvothe's father because Arliden talked to him while making his song about the Chandrian. Its a stretch but it couldve happened that way.
I think Master Lorren is one of the Amyr. If so, he would know about the slaughter. It also explains why he allows Puppet to have open flames, to warn in case the Chandrian try to get into the library... Puppet being the guard to the 4 plate door.
Your missing a part, when Kvothes mother is scorning him she tells him "it's different to say something about someone compared to saying it too someone."
Could Kvothe's mom be Netalia Lackless? Let me know what you think below! Also feel free to give me suggestions for future video topics, I'd love to hear em! If you make fan art and would like to see it in a video of mine, then send me a message. P.S. I just realised I accidentally left a voice clip at the end of this video that I meant to cut out XD Also yes I realise I pronounce Kvothe wrong, but after watching the pronunciation and listening to the audio books I still struggle pronouncing it so I'm fine with how I say it.
About your comment about the door holing back the flood. There's another part of the book that talks about iax (jax) which was the one who started the creation war, being locked behind the doors of stone. The lackless box is likely a key to the door of stone. The time that must be right is probably a reference to the moon phases. If the door is an entrance to the fae realm, it would possibly need to be opened on a new moon.
i thought the box would hold the moons name and the doors of stone that can never truly be locked in jax unfolding house (aka the fea) are the grey stones the 3 plate door in the university is one that is locked some seem to be broken but they mark "old roads"
Hey buddy . Since I like you and you are correct about this theory I will ....... I will let you in on another secret that not many people have figured out " the one eyed beggar in the story is never a one eyed beggar" This is the coolest, sneakiest, Rothfuss line in the whole book!!
@@kvfkvf6900 if you're talking about simmon's line in "the wise mans fear" after kvothe told them the sotry about the old man on his way to tenue. It was "old beggars in stories are never really old beggars" kvothe then said "but in real life old beggars are almost always old beggars."
I'm on the fourth re-read (10th anniversary edition). I'll tell you one thing I know for sure. 'Folly' - the sword that Kote hangs in the Waystone Inn - is actually Cinder's sword. Meaning that Kvothe has killed Cinder - and the name 'Folly' suggests this was a grave mistake. Meaning the Chandian/Cinder are not as 'evil' as they may seem. When we read the description of 'Folly' in the Waystone, it's uncannily like the way Kvothe sees Cinder's sword just after the Chandrian kill the Edema Ruh.
la verdad si se pierde muchisimo... yo los acabo de comprar en audible en ingles y en fisico y es completamente diferente... mucho mas profundo y mucho mejor para ser honesta.
I actually wish to read the book in all 3 languages accessible to me: English (done), Russian and Italian. I know that Pat has created a secret forum wherein he explains to the translators the things they must not lose, because they are critical to the story. And I hope that by comparing the translations, I can piece together better which of the clues are the most important :)
Fantastic videos! I read this series about 4-5 years ago, and there’s just so much content, that I can’t remember all of it. I remember coming up with theories and trying to find hints in the story. Thank you for breaking them down and helping me reassure things I thought and discover things I completely missed. Keep up the good work!
"A time that is right" has to do with the Moon. Probably the New Moon, while it is in the Fae. Hence the need for a candle, even one that doesn't shed (visible) light. All other Chandrian and fire say blue flame, not black. "Lackless likes her riddle raveling" is a direct reference to Natalia running off with Edema Ruh. Or perhaps another Lackless, which would make the Lackless/Ruh ties much older. Remember that "ravel" is not at all pleasant slang for the Ruh, as Kvothe explains in one of his University interviews. But I think this is about Kvothe's mother which is why she's initially so upset at hearing it. She's heard it before, either before Kvothe was born or when he was very, very young. Like a human with feelings her initial reaction is strong and angry, but like a good parent she takes a breathe and uses the incident as a teaching moment for her son.
The fact that the third book will end with a broken Kvothe and the fact that we shall wait for another eternity for the sequels where Kvothe will hopefully become more of his previous himself pains me more than Denna and Ambrosse
@@yxtsama i think even rothfuss is in a block, and his main problem is that he is a perfectionist to the point he has rewritten entire arcs because he isnt convinced
I've been slowly watching all your videos from the start of your channel. This feels like the turning point where the quality takes a massive step up in production values. Well done.
Great video! Would love to hear your theories pertaining to Bast’s parentage. Does “Reshi” mean father? Not many men have slept with Felurian (multiple times, no less) and lived to tell the tale.
Nice job! Just making my way through my second read of the books and I found this fascinating, I’m going to enjoy paying close attention to those riddles and details!
Thanks! There's _so_ much detail in these books, with backstory seeming to mirror other parts of the story and history seeming to repeat itself in ways. I find that so much is gained in re-reading these books, as you don't always clue into all the details the first time around
I must say, not only do you have such a good voice that suit such videos. You have a great way of making videos,Shame you dont have more subscribers. You have convinced me to subscribe. All the way from the middle east.
Thanks for subscribing! I really appreciate it :) I think the main reason is because I don't upload frequently, but I'll be working on that. Plenty more videos like this to come!
Captured in Words it was quite a forgettable little detail, I only noticed it because I did a third reread through where I paid special attention to auri's and kvothe's interactions.
It makes sense, since the second version of the rhymes looks like a list of things needed to open the box, and the son who brings the blood leads to believe that only a Lockless man can unlock it. It makes me wonder if everything in the list is related to their family. It is a lot like Pat to write to different rhymes that say the same thing but also different things that complete each other, as the first describes the box and its content and the second says exactly what you need to open it
Ring unworn - Thinking back, Elodin also asks Kvothe if he made a ring with the wind, and he jokes that maybe he's wearing one. Maybe Kvoth will need to create a ring of wind to open the door.
Great discussion! I think it's pretty obvious that he's a Lackless, but you introduced me to some new ideas that support it with the songs. Really insightful. Have you thought about what it is that finally leads Kvothe to lose his mojo? I think he accidentally kills Sim or another friend like Auri at the university. The way Kvothe talks about Sim is kind of sad and bittersweet. I think I saw something about this on the kingkiller reddit too.
The time has to do with the moon. When the moon is full it leads to one part of Fae. When the moon is new it goes another way. Felurian mentions that, phases of the moon are on the mauthan pot, and the Yllish lunar calendar keeps being mentioned. Also "the enemy" was locked behind the doors of stone in Lanre's tale at the black of drossen tor. It may not be Fae but it is shaper related.
Videos like this prove how reckless reader I am... I just enjoy the story, missing a lot of details... I wish I was so focused to notice little things like this.
@@CapturedInWords Also they are relatives of Iax, the Luckless, the man who stole the name of the moon, so maybe in that box is part of that name. Futhermore, some people say that behind the doors of stone is where Iax has been imprisioned. Sorry if it's not good written.
Aurie has given Kvothe several gifts including a key, ring, and candle. I think Aurie has a lot to do with this. I think the third book will reveal that something happened to Aurie and Denna.
The ring is made of wood and it keeps secrets, but it's definitely a ring for wearing. Another clue that Auri is related to the mystery is all of this stuff with the moon. Auri hides from the moon
you just blew my mind. I read the books in spanish so i couldnt make all those relations based on how words sound (kvothe being a Lackless is still very obvious) but the Lyra thing is something i couldnt think of ever
What if the two rhymes are not two different versions of a story, but what if they are two sides of the same key? It's been a while since I read the books, but I do recall wondering if the two little poems were not two halves of a manual for opening or unlocking some hidden secret, deliberately split into two to hide it in plain sight. Individually they are nothing more than poems, but when put together, they reveal the undeniable truth, the secret someone like Kvothe is looking for. By the way, Kvothe is an interesting name in and of itself. Remember that in early modern English, the third person singular of a verb ended in -th. This reminded me of "thus quoth the Raven", from an Alan Parsons song that was inspired by the similarly named story by Edgar Allan Poe. This ties into a theory I have had for a while. Kvothe is almost certianly not his true name, but Kvothe could indicate his occupation. Maybe he was not just a namer, but also a speaker. Whereas a namer would be a person who would know the name of things, a speaker would be able to use his knowledge to shape the words themselves, maybe in a similar, yet distinct, fashion to the shapers of old. Or, in other words, a namer would name things, confirming their nature, using stative verbs, while a speaker would be able to manipulate things by using action verbs. Thus, a namer would say "this is a door", thereby confirming its existence, and a speaker would say "door, open!". Being a speaker could mean a dangerous life, simply because of the resemblance with shaper magic, for we certainly know that by closing the gateways between the mortal and the fey realm, the mortal realm became the realm of 'knowers' and the fey realm became the realm of 'shapers'. To me at least, it is a certainty that there are more than two possible uses of the magic of naming. This would mean that in addition to 'knowers' and 'shapers', there are also 'speakers'. And possibly there is a fourth group, called the 'singers'? It could also be a genetic thing, but this is starting to become fringe territory (for as much as it was not already so), it could very well be that the magic of shaping is slowly being eradicated from the mortal world, especially if the genetics of shaping would involve fey blood. If the last known pools of fey genes are found in the Edema Ruh and the Lackless family, well both are slowly being eradicated. This would mean that the innate shaping magic ability is disappearing from the mortal realm, just as organizations like the Amyr seem to want. That is assuming the Chandrian also made the switch from knowers to shapers, instead of simply turning to evil. Genetics is a funny business, especially when used as a literary device. Robert Jordan did this with the ability to channel in the Wheel Of Time series. Julian May used it in her novels and even Terry Goodkind loosely tied the magic system of his Sword of Truth books to genetics when he made Richard Rahl split the world into two: one in which magic was prevalent and one in which magic was completely absent. Or supposedly so, because we learn in The Law Of Nines, that there is still a speckle of magic in the latter world, namely in the descendants of the Rahl family, even though Jenssen Rahl was supposedly entirely without magic. One final note: Lackless is presented as bastardization or a modern form of 'Lockless'. The name 'Lockless' could not only mean that an object does not have a lock, but also that a person (in this case someone with fey blood, like a member of the Lockless/Lackless family) does not need to unlock a door, gate or portal to travel between realms.
Yes. I thought this when the mayor's new wife reminded him of somebody, along with his mother being a Nobel along with her being romanced or seduce away by one of the Rue. (Sorry if my spelling is wrong I listen to these books on audible so I never seen the text.)
Loved the video. I have not seen a RUclips video done on theories for this series and I am happy I came across yours. A realllllly wild theory that has been floating in my head after the 5th (yes 5) listen of the audio book, is that perhaps Kvothe is not telling the entire truth. He is Adema Ru, the greatest story tellers of all time. Could his whole recollection be a farce? Something to pass down the family line or history? It sounds crazy at first, but really think on it.
I totally agree, and I was thinking. What if Doors of Stone has him opening the door, which is probably in some really important estate, and when the door is opened, the scrael come out and attack everyone nearby, killing everyone in line to be king (including the king) up to Ambrose? Ambrose becomes king, Kvothe kills him by the fountain in imre.
I love these videos! In the books there are a lot of talks about the "ever burning lamp". Perhaps Kvothe makes one but by using some kind of band/dark magic. Then maybe this is what gets him expelled from the university.
I don't have the page number, but I just finished rereading TNotW and Kvothe explicitly blames his expulsion from the University on being caught flat-footed against one of Ambrose's schemes. It sounded, all told, fairly mundane.
Edema ruh and ademre or adem re sound so similar phonetically , can there be a connection,probably tin foil but kvothe getting entangled with the adem seems too much of a coincidence.
I have no idea how youtube figured out i love Kingkiller Chroinicles (wouldn't Kingslayer sound better though?) so much as to recommend to me this video but i am so happy it did, i love theory videos and instantly subscribed! I totally agree with this one and i haven't even thought of it not being true while reading the books. I can't wait to see what you make of Auri, Bast (who the heck is he?!?) or Denna... Also, i think Brendan has a role to play, dunno...just a hunch. Also if you want to listen to the books, Rupert Degas is the best narrator i've ever listened to.
I'm re-reading both the books because of this video.... You're amazing, how did you even figure all this out??? I had suspisions about some of them but couldnt exactly pin-point them the way you did
Wow I'm so happy I inspired someone to re-read the books! Thanks! I put a bit of it together as I was reading, but a lot of these clues I got from reddit posts where people added up all the clues to support this theory. I left links in the description to those reddit posts, as I wouldn't have made this video if it weren't for them! :)
The audio books are amazing way to put these things together too. Something about hearing the words spoken has triggered many new connections in my brain.
Well...4 years later... And we are still waiting for the 3rd book. A toast: to next 4 years of waiting. May we all live long enough to catch the final book!
Man, so many of your points match what I thought myself! Great video, broke everything down really well I don´t know why, but the lines about the sharp word not for swearing and the word that is forsworn always remind me of a sword (the use of the word sharp, the overuse of the Ws and Ss... idk) Anyway, loved the vid!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed! Wow that's an excellent point, I definitely think you're on to something there, it does sound like it could be the name of a sword!
Bloodless_Kvothe Caesura is what Kvothe renames his sword, which is also a term for a break in poetry, I think it's described as a kind of held breath when Sim does it while reciting. There might be something there
kevroy1212 if I remember correctly, it is “the break in a line of verse” or something similar. Might have to do with Kvothes sword being known as the Poet Killer
If you think about it.... Kvothe might be closer to the throne than Ambrose. I don't actually think that the Lackless family disowned Kvothe's mother, because that would mean admitting to the world what she did.
Here's a a theory that everyone has thought about. Is Elodin Taborlin the Great ? Also why does he freak out when Kvothe asks him about locking his name away. My theory about Auri is that she knows the names of all things and knows how to communicate with nature literally. Who is Denna ? and more importantly who is Master Ash ? Is he Cinder/Bredon ? My favorite one, we know Simmon is high up in Nobility. Is he the king that dies i.e. Kingkiller Chronicle, if so who killed him ? One of the reasons I suspect this is cuz of the way Kvothe talks about him. If you catch it sometimes when he talks about Simmon and how sweet and loving he was is almost a way of reminiscing about his lost friend. Although I think this is false because it would break my heart.
Great theories! I made a video on Denna's patron and recently made one on Auri being Princess Ariel, and I definitely plan on making one on Simmon in the future. It definitely seems like Kvothe talks about him in a reminiscent way, and it would make me so sad if he ended up being the king Kvothe kills :(
It's funny how all these things in the videos were on my mind and then I read the Malazan books and they've been on the back burner ever since you should do a deep dive on that series it's worth it.
@@CapturedInWords it's light years ahead of that series I read all of them but even though it had some great ideas I thought it was rather infantile and at least 5 or 6 books too long I found myself skim reading it quite a bit the battle of the sexes nonsense drove me crazy after awhile the blade itself and almost all of Hobbs books were far better in my opinion.
Guess we will never know for sure. After waiting for 8 years since "The wise man's fear", I don't think "The doors of stone" will ever see the light of day.
Another great video or videos would be the speculation of who Auri is, and what was the Underthing at one point? Was it one of the 12 cities? Was it the original Lockless estate? Ect... Keep up the great videos!
Thanks! Just recently I posted a video discussing Auri being Princess Ariel, I briefly mention how I think the Underthing is Belen but I definitely plan on talking about the Underthing in a separate video of it's own. That's very interesting what you mention about Auri's place she calls "The 12", I didn't put that together but will make sure to mention it.
I thought this was one of the most obvious things in the books. I wasn't halfway through the introduction to the Lackless family when I knew that it was his aunt. I'm waiting to see how it plays into book three.
I'm so glad my theories are the same, I've read and listened to the book over 30 times over the past 5 years... you also made some points I hadn't considered... great content Man! Thanks for sharing! Send me a message if u have want to discuss theroies.. I have a few u might not have considered ;)
He mentions the Theory that Auri may be Leera. I would love to hear more on this as I'm still very torn on who Auri is and what her bigger picture in the story will be. I get the Princess Ariel but even then Kvothe saving a princess from sleeping barrow kings is just a sliver to the story where Auri is such a major part. How does she fit in and solve a larger portion of the storyline.
Well done video! Hopped on my channel after watching this on Reddit. Very well put together, good quality, clearly explained. I need to go get myself TSRoST and get Auri’s story in my life. Got my gf into this series and now she knows the pain or waiting. Since Pat has announced that the tv show will be about Kvothe’s parents, perhaps they are waiting on book 3 to come out because your theory will be confirmed and then the show will be about how she eventually joins the Ruh.
Thanks! Ahhh I still need to read TSRoST as well, I started it awhile back but put it aside to read another book. I'm not expecting to get many answers from it, but I'm definitely still interested in reading about Auri. Hahaha yeah this series is a great way to show someone the pain of waiting XD Oh wow I actually didn't realise the tv show will be about Kvothe's parents, hmmm that's really interesting. Yeah I can totally see something like that happening!
I always thought that Iax and Kvothe were related somehow because of something about Iax's green eyes that was said by Felurian if I remember correctly. If we have in mind how old the Lackless (initially named Lockless) we could actually think that the family was founded around the Loeclos box a few thousand of years before the story on the books, and that box could be what Iax used to keep the name of the Moon. Also, Iax is somehow related to the Chandrian, as he might be the one who corrupted all the cities but Myr Tariniel. Oh, and he also spoke to the Ctaeh, which doesn't really prove anything but I feel like the Ctaeh has this kind of twisted sense of humor. About Auri, I strongly believe that she was one of the original Amyr described by Skarpi in Tarbean. It's a little bit frustrating but I'm not comfortable enough with English so I can't find the words to explain why.
Okay, I'm gonna try. And gosh, I've downloaded the English version of the book to search the part I remembered and wow it took me so much time to find it. So here Felurian was speaking about how Iax/Jax, the most ambitious shaper, stole the moon: It might feel too subtle to take it as a possible trail of Kvothe being a descendant of Iax, but let's remember the books emphasizes A LOT on how Kvothe's eyes change depending on his emotions, specially when his eyes turn darker. And while searching for this I found another interesting theory about Iax being who started the Lackless family. When Hespe told the story about Iax, he was described as a boy with no luck... with other words, a LUCKLESS boy. Again it might be just quite subtle to be taken as a trail, but I think Patrick Rothfuss presents us his story with a lot of little pieces of a big puzzlesmoothly distributed along the pages, so I really think this theory might be accurate.
From your evidence it sounds plausible though it isnt bullet proof. I have a feeling that there is alot to kvothes ancestry and his future. The frustrationing thing is that i cant put a name on it!!
Since the first time I read the books I thought that Meluan Lackless was Laurian sister, though I didn't know if that is relevant somehow, but it creates an ironic situation for Kvothe (although he doesn't know it), as he is always considered to be scum for being an Edena Ruh but he is actually a Lackless. But after reading the books for, I don't know, five times, the idea of Iax having some kind of bond with the family and therefore with Kvothe became more and more plausible for me.
the Underneath black dress could also be a reference to drraccus. so the thing in the lackless box could be a ring made from the scales of a draccus. as denatured iron is supposed to be so hard to find. and if Lanrae died after fighting one. then it would mean that it was made by his wife. who was said to be a powerful namer. which could have been the reason why we saw Fela out of all people making a ring of stone to plant the seeds in our mind. and she might have been a namer with the same mindset as Denna. as her way of thinking ignores all the rules when applied to music. that and the implication of the way the fae use magic for example when both is told to grab a beam of moonlight/starlight.
This video was great! We are all waiting for that 3rd book, and we hope to get our answers. The other thing this series has going on is that Kvothe isn't a reliable narrator, as is proved at multiple points in the books. I'm just curious how much of this is embellishment, or what he WANTS people to think about him. We shall see! 😳😳😳
Doug Navarrone In The Wise Man's Fear, he is called out on the fact that he embellished about the sword. Chronicler is the one to call him on it. From that, we know that he is willing to embellish for the sake of his story.
Maybe that the « sleep without sleeping » is mentioned with the « 5 escape doors ». It says that you use them to escape great pains (like if your lover betray the entire human race) and within them lay: sleep, madness, oblivion, death (and another one which I forgot)). It’s just an idea, but if you link it to Aury and the rest it’s kinda explain why it’s says like that... great video
You know what would be really cool? Here we are some people still learning english who are so in-love with Kvothe and all his story, but there's the fact of
I like your video dont get me wrong but that theory is the most basic one, it would be great if you make a video on other theories on bast, elodin, auri, etc.
Juan Zeballos Yes, I'll definitely be making more. I wanted to start with a really basic one as the first theory video, as it gives me practise to improve my content before moving on to more complicated theories
Totally agree, Lackles and Master Ash are somehow connected to Cinder's group. I believed Denna dies and Kvothe kills the bully. The thing about dreaming and not sleeping probably means she was/is in a coma. The one thing that troubles me is Kvothe's box. I think he wants to open it, but can't.
"it's worth my life to make my wife Natalia Lackless." it's not just implied, it down right says she's Natalia. "Not-tally-a lot-less". Nottallya lotless. Natalia lockless. The Lotless part passes because it's stated a couple times throughout the books that the name has been changed from lockless to Lackless and all in between.
about the ring. i have a theory. remmber what Elodin said about them? that when a namer finds oyt the name of sth, wears a ring made of that thing. and the song whrer the name is mentioned is practically about this very ring thing ideah. now what if k manges to find out the name of naming?! imean everything has a name. naming is like love art music etc. thoes do have names just not knwon and very complex. what if he somhow finds the name of naming and the ring doesnt have a name cause its made of names! what could you call it?! also about Denna's ring's yllish knot, her very very rare knowledge of the knots, her very chanfing name, her unknown obligation to his patron, the very mystery that how she found her patron(who is by the way Brendon himself) and her "acsidental" meetings with K,could she be a shaper? we know K is going to be an special namer, could Denna(remmber her knowledge about a magic coming true with writing?) be an special shaper?
POSSIBLE SPOILERS! In the first book, when Kvothe is accepted at the University, professor Lorren (protetor of the Arquive) asks Kvothe about his father, Arliden. When he asks him that, I think he know something about Netalia and her escape to live with the Ruh. I think he is hiding something (like an Amyr something. Thats it. Lorren is protecting the Door of Stone VALARITAS in the Arquive and hiding the informations about the Amyr.)
Excellent analysis! I definitely think Lorren is an Amyr as well, actually I plan on doing a video on the four-plate door in the archives soon and I'll for sure be talking about this very thing. I think behind the door there's info on both the Amyr and Chandrian, as well as a tomb of a dead king.
Wild speculation maybe the candle is half of an everburning lamp? Like a reverse entropy machine that pulls light and heat into it to feed it to the ever burning lamp.
In the songs about Lady Lackless, "one sharp word, not for swearing" it coud be Kvothe's name. "One a word that is forsworn" this coud reffer something that woud happend after the opening of the door. If Kvothe's name is used to opened the door, Kvothe coud have lost his own name after using it, this coud be the reason he can't use simphaty or play music anymore.
You cant forget the story about the boy who stole the moon, and kept it in a box, i feel like thats something to do with the lackless box hence a male has to open the door since a male sealed it in the first place, it also takes to reason why the moon is locked away in the fae, maybe the fae is actually inside the lackless box which can only be access through the door of stone, since the moon was trapped inside a box, the moon is in the faen realm
I always thought perhaps the word not for swearing is the name of the moon, or the part that was used to bind the moon to both realms, which makes her wax and wane in both.
It has probably already been said elsewhere, but in the last line of the lackless rhyme we hear at the start of the first book, 'likes her riddle raveling', could it be that raveling would originally have ben Ravel-ling, referring in a derogatory way to the Edema Ruh who 'stole' her away from her noble family? I seem, to remember it also mentioning somewhere that Kvothe's father would often set him riddles too, so that could be another thing to reinforce the theory that Kvothe is a Lackless from his mother.
I'm on board with Kvothe's mom being Natalia Lackless as well as Lyra having been a Lackless too. As for the rhyme, I think the Ring is the Ring of a bell while I think the Right Time refers to the correct pase of the moon, which should be exactly half. That would be when the two worlds were balanced. I don't think we've seen the shadow candle yet, that might be in the barrow with the King of Vintas. Kvothe is obviously the son with the blood. The stone in the Lackless box is also right on. Now the forsworn word is probably Amyr, since they forswore being Alu to become the Amyr. Finally, the door that holds back the flood is barring the way to the Lackless door... but NOT the Lackless door itself. This would imply that the Lackless family is actually older than the Creation war and now the Lackless door is on the other side.. ergo the oldest part of the Lackless lands is actually inside the Fae Realm.
THIS IS SO FUN there are so much in those books. This was basically like having a conversation with my boyfriend and our friend, those two are always speculating about these books😂 They actually picked up exactly the same things!! We will see how it all plays out
THANKS. Haha there really is SO much little hidden details and whatnot in these books. That's so awesome your boyfriend and your friend both talk about this series! Hopefully the 3rd book will come out soon to clear some things up, but I'll keep making videos like this in the meantime ^_^
the last line of the poem is a name i would wager. The sleeping mind can understand names, and kvothe accesses it most when he day dreams and tips into spinning leaf. he can understand names there in the same way he grasps the lethani. so 7 items and then a name to open the door. Could be wrong though.
So, I think you’re definitely right about Ambrose becoming the King that Kvothe eventually kills. The most prominent evidence of the their positioning to take over the monarchy is when Kvothe visits Caudicus in his study. There, Caudicus try’s to dish out gossip about the Jackiss family after mentioning how he spent the summer with them. Did the Jackiss family put Caudicus up to poisoning the Maer? I think so...
Yes I definitely think the Jakis family hired Caudicus to poison the Maer! I mention this in my theory about Auri being Princess Ariel, and I think there's quite a bit of evidence suggesting that the Jakis family is killing people off to climb up the line of succession :) At some point I'll make a video directly discussing the king that kvothe kills, and all the theories on who this could be
Most of them I get from Deviantart, and some from pinterest. I try to link most of the artwork and artists in the description, so you can get a better look from there :)
Another hint would be during the discussion between Ben and Kvoth parents. At first, they talk about Kvoth's hands and her mother says he has his father's, and I quote "perfect to seduce young noble girls". Then, a few lines later, they joke about who is Kvoth father and she says "Come to think of it. There was a night, a dozen years ago. A man came to me. He bound me with kisses... and stole me away."
I think it's pretty clear at this point.
How so?
Zallov OSRS she was a young noble girl he seduced
Also, after she hears Kvothe reciting the chant about Lady Lackless, his mother says he can make it up to her AND Lady Lackless by giving her a hug and kiss.
When Kvothe and Meluan first meet he thinks about how familiar she looks.
she was refering to arliden not to someone else.
I enjoyed the video, keep it up :)
Another theory I quite like is that Yillish knots are old magic, where whatever is written with the knots people believe to be true. For instance, when Kvothe calls the wind to save Denna, he reads the knot in her hair which says lovely (or beautiful). When she takes it out, he says that he likes it more when it is in. "That is the point" is what Denna says. It makes people view her as more beautiful even if they can't read it.
Now the 'lockless' box has carvings that are very faded. I think a knot is carved into the box that says 'lock'. If 'less' is added to it, then it becomes 'lockless' and can be opened. There is quite a bit more to that theory, it would be good to see a video on it!
Wow good stuff. Not to mention that Denna asked Kvothe and his friends about a sort of magic where you write things down and they become true. Also that part about the box, nice theory!
I have a theory as to why Kvothe can no longer do sympathy:
I believe that after the events of the king killer part, which we have to arrive to, Kvothe does what he tells the farmer boy he would "if he were Kvothe". He fakes his death, and CHANGES his name, but not Kvothe, but his ACTUAL NAME. Elodin looked bewildered when he misunderstood Kvothe talking about Denna's name changing and hinted at how dangerous that would be, as in messing the persons soul in essence. I believe thats what he did, and thats why he cant use sympathy anymore, because he isnt aligned, he is a mess on a essential level. But I believe he did this to save himself. Maybe after the king killer part, one of his enemies learns his NAME and to prevent them from harming him etc he went with this last resort thing, which is the only kind of plans he tends to follow through. Kvothe the more dangerous and crazy the plan the better.
Excellent idea, i thought this too. But I dont think he lost his Sympathy when he changed his name, I think hes lost all the Names hes learned. Also he might have only locked his name away or part of his name away, in the box that he has at the Waystone Inn.
I agree.
I think that even Denna could be the one learning his name. There are some indications that she might end up on the "bad" side of things.
And there is that lecture with Elodin where he explains naming by using Fela and Kvothe and "love" to show how difficult it is to learn a name.
But i think Denna would know Kvothe well enough to learn his name, unfortunately, thus leading to the actions you described
He does sympathy several times in both books in the Waystone.
@@donedeal8385 He doesn't, he tried to do some but it didn't work
I don't think he lost his ability to do sympathy at all. I think we find out later there was a showdown with one of the Chandrian and Kvothe learns they can find him when he does sympathy so he comes up with the clever ruse of pretending he cannot. Fooling even the reader to think he has lost sympathy.
Not tally a lot less sounds like Natalia Lackless!!
HOLY SHIT
Blown this has, my mind.
What if the Lockless box is the box where the Moon's partial name was trapped by Jax? Felurian said that before the attempt to catch the moon, both worlds, mortal and far, were one and the same. Even the name "Iax" is close to Jax... The wise man Jax found could be the C'taeh...
Dammmn this theory is amazing.
Extreeme! Perfectly matches my belief that lockless door is the waystone passage to a fae realm!! Fact that Kvothe is partly fae is already mentioned!! Damn waystones and Jax box with name of the Moon! then again, when moon is full on the one side, fae can pass- right,trough an.. what, WELL LOCKLESS DOOR!!
Plus, possibility that Lady Lackless is Lyra. Ha @patrickrothfuss, got yaaa
And someone mentioned in another comment that Auri gave Kvothe a key that opens the moon (among other things related to the Lackless poem, a ring and a candle, as well as a coin he couldn't identify)
Oh! And Auri hides from the moon
Auri's gifts are very important, I think.
You're completely right. Auri gave Kvothe a ring, key, and candle.
A ring without a name
Very important how?
I think the same.. especially as he left them in his room in a chest in a box when he went on his trip to the Maer.. so they weren't lost in the shipwreck. A ring that keeps secrets.. a key to a door in the moon.. an unknown coin.. and a candle..
Those are the objects that belong to Tamborlin the Great, it's courious
Perhaps Master Lorren knew that lady Lackless ran away with the Edema Ruh, and when he heard who Kvothe's father was he new that this would make Kvothe a Lackless heir.
Yes! Lorren asked, "Arliden, the Court Bard?" My first thought was that Arliden's name must be out there in all the gossip about the Lackless daughter that ran off with a Ruh. But also maybe Lorren knows Arliden because they spoke? We know that Lorren travels to collect books, We can guess thats he probably a member of the Amyr, Maybe Lorren met Kvothe's father because Arliden talked to him while making his song about the Chandrian. Its a stretch but it couldve happened that way.
I think Master Lorren is one of the Amyr. If so, he would know about the slaughter. It also explains why he allows Puppet to have open flames, to warn in case the Chandrian try to get into the library... Puppet being the guard to the 4 plate door.
@@borntoslay3996 The only thing it matters is being a son of Lackless blood. It doesn't matter if his name is official in a dusty parchment.
@@sethpatterson7281 bruh
@@sethpatterson7281 yooooo that’s crazy
Your missing a part, when Kvothes mother is scorning him she tells him "it's different to say something about someone compared to saying it too someone."
i had missed that
Could Kvothe's mom be Netalia Lackless? Let me know what you think below! Also feel free to give me suggestions for future video topics, I'd love to hear em! If you make fan art and would like to see it in a video of mine, then send me a message. P.S. I just realised I accidentally left a voice clip at the end of this video that I meant to cut out XD
Also yes I realise I pronounce Kvothe wrong, but after watching the pronunciation and listening to the audio books I still struggle pronouncing it so I'm fine with how I say it.
Captured in Words make a video on Selitos=Ctheah
That's a great idea! I'll be making a video on the identity of the Ctheah soon, so I will talk about this theory
What about Jax? The legendary shaper that stole the moon, he was called the "boy with no luck", luckless...
Ahhh this is really interesting, I didn't pick up on that!
The sub Reddit figured this out 7 years ago, only another 7 years till we see it come to fruition in the book.
Is it just me or this guy’s voice made the whole story telling so much more awesome
The audiobook narrated by Nick Podehl is really well done too
I was just rereading the books and in the name of the wind page 54 kvothe said his mother was a noble
About your comment about the door holing back the flood. There's another part of the book that talks about iax (jax) which was the one who started the creation war, being locked behind the doors of stone. The lackless box is likely a key to the door of stone.
The time that must be right is probably a reference to the moon phases. If the door is an entrance to the fae realm, it would possibly need to be opened on a new moon.
i thought the box would hold the moons name and the doors of stone that can never truly be locked in jax unfolding house (aka the fea) are the grey stones the 3 plate door in the university is one that is locked some seem to be broken but they mark "old roads"
Hey buddy . Since I like you and you are correct about this theory I will ....... I will let you in on another secret that not many people have figured out
" the one eyed beggar in the story is never a one eyed beggar"
This is the coolest, sneakiest, Rothfuss line in the whole book!!
Hey! Would you care to tell me where this quote is from? I'm reading the books in another language so I've hard to find when Kvothe has said this.
@@kvfkvf6900 if you're talking about simmon's line in "the wise mans fear" after kvothe told them the sotry about the old man on his way to tenue. It was "old beggars in stories are never really old beggars" kvothe then said "but in real life old beggars are almost always old beggars."
I'm on the fourth re-read (10th anniversary edition). I'll tell you one thing I know for sure. 'Folly' - the sword that Kote hangs in the Waystone Inn - is actually Cinder's sword. Meaning that Kvothe has killed Cinder - and the name 'Folly' suggests this was a grave mistake. Meaning the Chandian/Cinder are not as 'evil' as they may seem. When we read the description of 'Folly' in the Waystone, it's uncannily like the way Kvothe sees Cinder's sword just after the Chandrian kill the Edema Ruh.
Well this made me want to buy the books again but in english. Can't imagine how many details like these were lost in translation.
A few people have mentioned to me that a lot is lost in translation, so definitely worth picking it up in English!
Just what I was thinking! All those subtle references in the poems are lost in Spanish. No doubt I’ll be getting the third one in English...
la verdad si se pierde muchisimo... yo los acabo de comprar en audible en ingles y en fisico y es completamente diferente... mucho mas profundo y mucho mejor para ser honesta.
Now i am glad for reading it in english, thanks.
I actually wish to read the book in all 3 languages accessible to me: English (done), Russian and Italian. I know that Pat has created a secret forum wherein he explains to the translators the things they must not lose, because they are critical to the story. And I hope that by comparing the translations, I can piece together better which of the clues are the most important :)
Fantastic videos! I read this series about 4-5 years ago, and there’s just so much content, that I can’t remember all of it. I remember coming up with theories and trying to find hints in the story. Thank you for breaking them down and helping me reassure things I thought and discover things I completely missed. Keep up the good work!
"A time that is right" has to do with the Moon. Probably the New Moon, while it is in the Fae. Hence the need for a candle, even one that doesn't shed (visible) light. All other Chandrian and fire say blue flame, not black.
"Lackless likes her riddle raveling" is a direct reference to Natalia running off with Edema Ruh. Or perhaps another Lackless, which would make the Lackless/Ruh ties much older. Remember that "ravel" is not at all pleasant slang for the Ruh, as Kvothe explains in one of his University interviews.
But I think this is about Kvothe's mother which is why she's initially so upset at hearing it. She's heard it before, either before Kvothe was born or when he was very, very young. Like a human with feelings her initial reaction is strong and angry, but like a good parent she takes a breathe and uses the incident as a teaching moment for her son.
I love how u manage to make these mysteries even more mysterious despite providing proof and facts haha, keep it up man! Big fan :D
The fact that the third book will end with a broken Kvothe and the fact that we shall wait for another eternity for the sequels where Kvothe will hopefully become more of his previous himself pains me more than Denna and Ambrosse
In my opinion, there's no way rothfuss will do a sequel, I'm even losing hope for the third book at this point.
Hope Rothfuss will become bit faster at writing books, it doesn't even need to be a kingkiller chronicle book. I just want more man
@@yxtsama i think even rothfuss is in a block, and his main problem is that he is a perfectionist to the point he has rewritten entire arcs because he isnt convinced
I've been slowly watching all your videos from the start of your channel. This feels like the turning point where the quality takes a massive step up in production values. Well done.
Great video! Would love to hear your theories pertaining to Bast’s parentage. Does “Reshi” mean father? Not many men have slept with Felurian (multiple times, no less) and lived to tell the tale.
Nice job! Just making my way through my second read of the books and I found this fascinating, I’m going to enjoy paying close attention to those riddles and details!
Thanks! There's _so_ much detail in these books, with backstory seeming to mirror other parts of the story and history seeming to repeat itself in ways. I find that so much is gained in re-reading these books, as you don't always clue into all the details the first time around
I must say, not only do you have such a good voice that suit such videos. You have a great way of making videos,Shame you dont have more subscribers. You have convinced me to subscribe. All the way from the middle east.
Thanks for subscribing! I really appreciate it :) I think the main reason is because I don't upload frequently, but I'll be working on that. Plenty more videos like this to come!
I'd come up with this theory independently but had no idea that it was a full fledged fantheory
I've been waiting for this many thanks.
There was a ring without a name. Auri gave him one, but there wasn't much talk about it.
Ahh that's an excellent point! I forgot about the ring Auri gave him! Hmmm, can't wait until we learn more in the 3rd book.
Captured in Words it was quite a forgettable little detail, I only noticed it because I did a third reread through where I paid special attention to auri's and kvothe's interactions.
I thin the ring is the wood ring he got from Lady Lackless, its also a ring not for wearing
Zeref Dragneel or the bone one
A. Dey u're right
I mean they do keep saying “you shouldn’t wear that.”
its might be wind ring too
It makes sense, since the second version of the rhymes looks like a list of things needed to open the box, and the son who brings the blood leads to believe that only a Lockless man can unlock it. It makes me wonder if everything in the list is related to their family. It is a lot like Pat to write to different rhymes that say the same thing but also different things that complete each other, as the first describes the box and its content and the second says exactly what you need to open it
Ring unworn - Thinking back, Elodin also asks Kvothe if he made a ring with the wind, and he jokes that maybe he's wearing one. Maybe Kvoth will need to create a ring of wind to open the door.
Great discussion! I think it's pretty obvious that he's a Lackless, but you introduced me to some new ideas that support it with the songs. Really insightful. Have you thought about what it is that finally leads Kvothe to lose his mojo? I think he accidentally kills Sim or another friend like Auri at the university. The way Kvothe talks about Sim is kind of sad and bittersweet. I think I saw something about this on the kingkiller reddit too.
The time has to do with the moon. When the moon is full it leads to one part of Fae. When the moon is new it goes another way. Felurian mentions that, phases of the moon are on the mauthan pot, and the Yllish lunar calendar keeps being mentioned.
Also "the enemy" was locked behind the doors of stone in Lanre's tale at the black of drossen tor. It may not be Fae but it is shaper related.
Videos like this prove how reckless reader I am... I just enjoy the story, missing a lot of details... I wish I was so focused to notice little things like this.
Great video. The Lackless theories lead me to believe that Devin Lochees AKA The Chronicler is a relative.
YES! I forgot to mention this in the video, but yeah I agree with the Chronicler being a relative
Completely missed this! That suggests that breaking into the Lochless door and box has not yet occurred or he would already be all over this.
@@CapturedInWords Also they are relatives of Iax, the Luckless, the man who stole the name of the moon, so maybe in that box is part of that name. Futhermore, some people say that behind the doors of stone is where Iax has been imprisioned. Sorry if it's not good written.
what if he knows they are related and he's trying to get information from kvothe on where the box is. maybe baste knows that and thats why hes hostile
@@pedro_olavo2 geez! Luckless is awfully close to Lack/Lockless, and "iax" are the last three letters in Haliax.
Aurie has given Kvothe several gifts including a key, ring, and candle. I think Aurie has a lot to do with this. I think the third book will reveal that something happened to Aurie and Denna.
Please elaborate! what happened?
The ring is made of wood and it keeps secrets, but it's definitely a ring for wearing. Another clue that Auri is related to the mystery is all of this stuff with the moon. Auri hides from the moon
@@nielspetterthomsen1710 I'm not sure, but I think something will befall her on third book, likely she will die.
@@SatrnOne Yeah, I think she is from the other realm.
7:18 "Tor" also means "gate" in german, but that might just be a coincidence.
you just blew my mind. I read the books in spanish so i couldnt make all those relations based on how words sound (kvothe being a Lackless is still very obvious) but the Lyra thing is something i couldnt think of ever
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There's so much evidence, it's basically a fact. Like it's something you should easily notice on your first reading.
What if the two rhymes are not two different versions of a story, but what if they are two sides of the same key?
It's been a while since I read the books, but I do recall wondering if the two little poems were not two halves of a manual for opening or unlocking some hidden secret, deliberately split into two to hide it in plain sight. Individually they are nothing more than poems, but when put together, they reveal the undeniable truth, the secret someone like Kvothe is looking for.
By the way, Kvothe is an interesting name in and of itself. Remember that in early modern English, the third person singular of a verb ended in -th. This reminded me of "thus quoth the Raven", from an Alan Parsons song that was inspired by the similarly named story by Edgar Allan Poe. This ties into a theory I have had for a while.
Kvothe is almost certianly not his true name, but Kvothe could indicate his occupation. Maybe he was not just a namer, but also a speaker. Whereas a namer would be a person who would know the name of things, a speaker would be able to use his knowledge to shape the words themselves, maybe in a similar, yet distinct, fashion to the shapers of old. Or, in other words, a namer would name things, confirming their nature, using stative verbs, while a speaker would be able to manipulate things by using action verbs. Thus, a namer would say "this is a door", thereby confirming its existence, and a speaker would say "door, open!". Being a speaker could mean a dangerous life, simply because of the resemblance with shaper magic, for we certainly know that by closing the gateways between the mortal and the fey realm, the mortal realm became the realm of 'knowers' and the fey realm became the realm of 'shapers'. To me at least, it is a certainty that there are more than two possible uses of the magic of naming. This would mean that in addition to 'knowers' and 'shapers', there are also 'speakers'. And possibly there is a fourth group, called the 'singers'?
It could also be a genetic thing, but this is starting to become fringe territory (for as much as it was not already so), it could very well be that the magic of shaping is slowly being eradicated from the mortal world, especially if the genetics of shaping would involve fey blood. If the last known pools of fey genes are found in the Edema Ruh and the Lackless family, well both are slowly being eradicated. This would mean that the innate shaping magic ability is disappearing from the mortal realm, just as organizations like the Amyr seem to want. That is assuming the Chandrian also made the switch from knowers to shapers, instead of simply turning to evil. Genetics is a funny business, especially when used as a literary device. Robert Jordan did this with the ability to channel in the Wheel Of Time series. Julian May used it in her novels and even Terry Goodkind loosely tied the magic system of his Sword of Truth books to genetics when he made Richard Rahl split the world into two: one in which magic was prevalent and one in which magic was completely absent. Or supposedly so, because we learn in The Law Of Nines, that there is still a speckle of magic in the latter world, namely in the descendants of the Rahl family, even though Jenssen Rahl was supposedly entirely without magic.
One final note: Lackless is presented as bastardization or a modern form of 'Lockless'. The name 'Lockless' could not only mean that an object does not have a lock, but also that a person (in this case someone with fey blood, like a member of the Lockless/Lackless family) does not need to unlock a door, gate or portal to travel between realms.
Yes. I thought this when the mayor's new wife reminded him of somebody, along with his mother being a Nobel along with her being romanced or seduce away by one of the Rue. (Sorry if my spelling is wrong I listen to these books on audible so I never seen the text.)
Maer and Ruh if you wanted to know :)
Loved the video. I have not seen a RUclips video done on theories for this series and I am happy I came across yours. A realllllly wild theory that has been floating in my head after the 5th (yes 5) listen of the audio book, is that perhaps Kvothe is not telling the entire truth. He is Adema Ru, the greatest story tellers of all time. Could his whole recollection be a farce? Something to pass down the family line or history? It sounds crazy at first, but really think on it.
I totally agree, and I was thinking. What if Doors of Stone has him opening the door, which is probably in some really important estate, and when the door is opened, the scrael come out and attack everyone nearby, killing everyone in line to be king (including the king) up to Ambrose? Ambrose becomes king, Kvothe kills him by the fountain in imre.
I love these videos! In the books there are a lot of talks about the "ever burning lamp". Perhaps Kvothe makes one but by using some kind of band/dark magic. Then maybe this is what gets him expelled from the university.
I don't have the page number, but I just finished rereading TNotW and Kvothe explicitly blames his expulsion from the University on being caught flat-footed against one of Ambrose's schemes. It sounded, all told, fairly mundane.
Outstanding quality of your videos buddy!
Thank you ^_^
Could the ring without a name, be the wind as the name always changes and you can't see wind?
Edema ruh and ademre or adem re sound so similar phonetically , can there be a connection,probably tin foil but kvothe getting entangled with the adem seems too much of a coincidence.
I have no idea how youtube figured out i love Kingkiller Chroinicles (wouldn't Kingslayer sound better though?) so much as to recommend to me this video but i am so happy it did, i love theory videos and instantly subscribed!
I totally agree with this one and i haven't even thought of it not being true while reading the books. I can't wait to see what you make of Auri, Bast (who the heck is he?!?) or Denna... Also, i think Brendan has a role to play, dunno...just a hunch. Also if you want to listen to the books, Rupert Degas is the best narrator i've ever listened to.
Holy *swears*! I'm so happy I found you again! 💗 you helped to clear up so many questions i have.
For sure! Kvoth mother is the sister missing from Lackless!
I just wanted to thank you for this and the other videos.
I'm re-reading both the books because of this video.... You're amazing, how did you even figure all this out??? I had suspisions about some of them but couldnt exactly pin-point them the way you did
Wow I'm so happy I inspired someone to re-read the books! Thanks! I put a bit of it together as I was reading, but a lot of these clues I got from reddit posts where people added up all the clues to support this theory. I left links in the description to those reddit posts, as I wouldn't have made this video if it weren't for them! :)
The audio books are amazing way to put these things together too. Something about hearing the words spoken has triggered many new connections in my brain.
Well...4 years later... And we are still waiting for the 3rd book. A toast: to next 4 years of waiting. May we all live long enough to catch the final book!
3 years to go before waiting another 4 years. Cheers, friend!
I just stumbled upon your channel and I see Mistborn and Kvothe, I’m sold!!
Awesome, sounds like you have a good taste in books!! :D
haha thanks!
Thanks for posting! Already waiting for your next video.
Already working on another! ^_^
Captured in Words Then I am going to join your notification squad. I’ve never done this before. Don’t let me down!
Thank you, I really appreciate that! I'll try my best ;) New video coming soon!
That’s for the videos. They are all super interesting and I don’t have to scour reddit looking for them.
Man, so many of your points match what I thought myself!
Great video, broke everything down really well
I don´t know why, but the lines about the sharp word not for swearing and the word that is forsworn always remind me of a sword (the use of the word sharp, the overuse of the Ws and Ss... idk)
Anyway, loved the vid!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed! Wow that's an excellent point, I definitely think you're on to something there, it does sound like it could be the name of a sword!
Bloodless_Kvothe Caesura is what Kvothe renames his sword, which is also a term for a break in poetry, I think it's described as a kind of held breath when Sim does it while reciting. There might be something there
kevroy1212 if I remember correctly, it is “the break in a line of verse” or something similar. Might have to do with Kvothes sword being known as the Poet Killer
kevroy1212 and from what I can remember the old namer or someone tells him not to use that name
Very Interesting. I like the theory that what’s behind the door is the Fae realm better than some in later videos. It was my first guess too.
Let's just say if he's not we're being epicly trolled.
If you think about it.... Kvothe might be closer to the throne than Ambrose. I don't actually think that the Lackless family disowned Kvothe's mother, because that would mean admitting to the world what she did.
Here's a a theory that everyone has thought about. Is Elodin Taborlin the Great ? Also why does he freak out when Kvothe asks him about locking his name away.
My theory about Auri is that she knows the names of all things and knows how to communicate with nature literally.
Who is Denna ? and more importantly who is Master Ash ? Is he Cinder/Bredon ?
My favorite one, we know Simmon is high up in Nobility. Is he the king that dies i.e. Kingkiller Chronicle, if so who killed him ?
One of the reasons I suspect this is cuz of the way Kvothe talks about him. If you catch it sometimes when he talks about Simmon and how sweet and loving he was is almost a way of reminiscing about his lost friend. Although I think this is false because it would break my heart.
Great theories! I made a video on Denna's patron and recently made one on Auri being Princess Ariel, and I definitely plan on making one on Simmon in the future. It definitely seems like Kvothe talks about him in a reminiscent way, and it would make me so sad if he ended up being the king Kvothe kills :(
Simmon is mentioned as being the youngest so it’s unlikely he’s the king.
Haliax(to Kvothe): I am your fath...well, great great great [an eternity later] great great great [2 eternities later] great great grandfather! HA!
LOL XD
Was convinced before watching, even more convinced now
It's funny how all these things in the videos were on my mind and then I read the Malazan books and they've been on the back burner ever since you should do a deep dive on that series it's worth it.
I definitely want to read Malazan soon, once I'm finished with Wheel of Time
@@CapturedInWords it's light years ahead of that series I read all of them but even though it had some great ideas I thought it was rather infantile and at least 5 or 6 books too long I found myself skim reading it quite a bit the battle of the sexes nonsense drove me crazy after awhile the blade itself and almost all of Hobbs books were far better in my opinion.
Guess we will never know for sure. After waiting for 8 years since "The wise man's fear", I don't think "The doors of stone" will ever see the light of day.
"He hasn't released it yet, therefore it will never get released!" ...
It will come out in April (?) 2020. Probably with the series as promotion.
Man I waited so long for this😍
@@Joe-tf4wq Don't hold your breath. If we could believe the word of Rothfuss, the book would have been out in 2009.
@@MrPleers I know😂 But this time he HAS TO. And he really had enough time.
We will see🤔
I agree, and to think when I started this series, Rothfuss said it was all written (the trilogy) and just needed "tweaking"
Denna's dreams connect her to Lyra. "She's been dreaming and not sleeping"
Another great video or videos would be the speculation of who Auri is, and what was the Underthing at one point? Was it one of the 12 cities? Was it the original Lockless estate? Ect... Keep up the great videos!
Thanks! Just recently I posted a video discussing Auri being Princess Ariel, I briefly mention how I think the Underthing is Belen but I definitely plan on talking about the Underthing in a separate video of it's own. That's very interesting what you mention about Auri's place she calls "The 12", I didn't put that together but will make sure to mention it.
love the channel have watched your videos so many times
I'm happy to hear that, and thanks for watching! 😄
Since there are multiple variations of “lackless” I think kvothes variation should be luckless
I thought this was one of the most obvious things in the books. I wasn't halfway through the introduction to the Lackless family when I knew that it was his aunt. I'm waiting to see how it plays into book three.
I'm so glad my theories are the same, I've read and listened to the book over 30 times over the past 5 years... you also made some points I hadn't considered... great content Man! Thanks for sharing! Send me a message if u have want to discuss theroies.. I have a few u might not have considered ;)
Thanks! Wow you've read the book quite a few times! I'll definitely send you a message, I'm always looking for new theories :)
He mentions the Theory that Auri may be Leera. I would love to hear more on this as I'm still very torn on who Auri is and what her bigger picture in the story will be. I get the Princess Ariel but even then Kvothe saving a princess from sleeping barrow kings is just a sliver to the story where Auri is such a major part. How does she fit in and solve a larger portion of the storyline.
Well done video! Hopped on my channel after watching this on Reddit. Very well put together, good quality, clearly explained. I need to go get myself TSRoST and get Auri’s story in my life. Got my gf into this series and now she knows the pain or waiting.
Since Pat has announced that the tv show will be about Kvothe’s parents, perhaps they are waiting on book 3 to come out because your theory will be confirmed and then the show will be about how she eventually joins the Ruh.
Thanks! Ahhh I still need to read TSRoST as well, I started it awhile back but put it aside to read another book. I'm not expecting to get many answers from it, but I'm definitely still interested in reading about Auri. Hahaha yeah this series is a great way to show someone the pain of waiting XD
Oh wow I actually didn't realise the tv show will be about Kvothe's parents, hmmm that's really interesting. Yeah I can totally see something like that happening!
another thumbs up for good viewer interaction!
I always thought that Iax and Kvothe were related somehow because of something about Iax's green eyes that was said by Felurian if I remember correctly. If we have in mind how old the Lackless (initially named Lockless) we could actually think that the family was founded around the Loeclos box a few thousand of years before the story on the books, and that box could be what Iax used to keep the name of the Moon. Also, Iax is somehow related to the Chandrian, as he might be the one who corrupted all the cities but Myr Tariniel. Oh, and he also spoke to the Ctaeh, which doesn't really prove anything but I feel like the Ctaeh has this kind of twisted sense of humor.
About Auri, I strongly believe that she was one of the original Amyr described by Skarpi in Tarbean. It's a little bit frustrating but I'm not comfortable enough with English so I can't find the words to explain why.
Please give it a try. It sounds really interesting and i cant see a link my self.
Okay, I'm gonna try. And gosh, I've downloaded the English version of the book to search the part I remembered and wow it took me so much time to find it.
So here Felurian was speaking about how Iax/Jax, the most ambitious shaper, stole the moon:
It might feel too subtle to take it as a possible trail of Kvothe being a descendant of Iax, but let's remember the books emphasizes A LOT on how Kvothe's eyes change depending on his emotions, specially when his eyes turn darker.
And while searching for this I found another interesting theory about Iax being who started the Lackless family. When Hespe told the story about Iax, he was described as a boy with no luck... with other words, a LUCKLESS boy. Again it might be just quite subtle to be taken as a trail, but I think Patrick Rothfuss presents us his story with a lot of little pieces of a big puzzlesmoothly distributed along the pages, so I really think this theory might be accurate.
From your evidence it sounds plausible though it isnt bullet proof. I have a feeling that there is alot to kvothes ancestry and his future. The frustrationing thing is that i cant put a name on it!!
Since the first time I read the books I thought that Meluan Lackless was Laurian sister, though I didn't know if that is relevant somehow, but it creates an ironic situation for Kvothe (although he doesn't know it), as he is always considered to be scum for being an Edena Ruh but he is actually a Lackless. But after reading the books for, I don't know, five times, the idea of Iax having some kind of bond with the family and therefore with Kvothe became more and more plausible for me.
the Underneath black dress could also be a reference to drraccus. so the thing in the lackless box could be a ring made from the scales of a draccus. as denatured iron is supposed to be so hard to find. and if Lanrae died after fighting one. then it would mean that it was made by his wife. who was said to be a powerful namer. which could have been the reason why we saw Fela out of all people making a ring of stone to plant the seeds in our mind. and she might have been a namer with the same mindset as Denna. as her way of thinking ignores all the rules when applied to music. that and the implication of the way the fae use magic for example when both is told to grab a beam of moonlight/starlight.
This video was great! We are all waiting for that 3rd book, and we hope to get our answers.
The other thing this series has going on is that Kvothe isn't a reliable narrator, as is proved at multiple points in the books. I'm just curious how much of this is embellishment, or what he WANTS people to think about him. We shall see! 😳😳😳
Shaegeeksout I don't think he is lying or embellishing. More like he is omitting details and context. Kvothe wants to tell a great story
Doug Navarrone In The Wise Man's Fear, he is called out on the fact that he embellished about the sword. Chronicler is the one to call him on it. From that, we know that he is willing to embellish for the sake of his story.
Shaegeeksout Can you refresh my memory? Im not quite sure what youre talking about.
@@Shaegeeksout I thought he said that the sword the Chronicler saw wasn't Caesura.
Maybe that the « sleep without sleeping » is mentioned with the « 5 escape doors ». It says that you use them to escape great pains (like if your lover betray the entire human race) and within them lay: sleep, madness, oblivion, death (and another one which I forgot)). It’s just an idea, but if you link it to Aury and the rest it’s kinda explain why it’s says like that... great video
What do you mean?
Wow. Just wow. Thank you!
So good man! I love your work.
You know what would be really cool?
Here we are some people still learning english who are so in-love with Kvothe and all his story, but there's the fact of
I FUCKING LOVE YOUR LORES!! YOUR VIDS ARE MY GUILTY PLEASURE!! DONT EVER STOP!
nice artworks! thanks for the links on description
Finally...found someone talking about this potential Lackless connection!
We really need more people on youtube talking about the Kingkiller Chronicle :)
"No handles, hinges or locks". That's either an egg or a wall.
I like your video dont get me wrong but that theory is the most basic one, it would be great if you make a video on other theories on bast, elodin, auri, etc.
Juan Zeballos Yes, I'll definitely be making more. I wanted to start with a really basic one as the first theory video, as it gives me practise to improve my content before moving on to more complicated theories
Totally agree, Lackles and Master Ash are somehow connected to Cinder's group. I believed Denna dies and Kvothe kills the bully. The thing about dreaming and not sleeping probably means she was/is in a coma. The one thing that troubles me is Kvothe's box. I think he wants to open it, but can't.
"it's worth my life to make my wife Natalia Lackless." it's not just implied, it down right says she's Natalia. "Not-tally-a lot-less". Nottallya lotless. Natalia lockless. The Lotless part passes because it's stated a couple times throughout the books that the name has been changed from lockless to Lackless and all in between.
about the ring. i have a theory. remmber what Elodin said about them? that when a namer finds oyt the name of sth, wears a ring made of that thing. and the song whrer the name is mentioned is practically about this very ring thing ideah. now what if k manges to find out the name of naming?! imean everything has a name. naming is like love art music etc. thoes do have names just not knwon and very complex. what if he somhow finds the name of naming and the ring doesnt have a name cause its made of names! what could you call it?! also about Denna's ring's yllish knot, her very very rare knowledge of the knots, her very chanfing name, her unknown obligation to his patron, the very mystery that how she found her patron(who is by the way Brendon himself) and her "acsidental" meetings with K,could she be a shaper? we know K is going to be an special namer, could Denna(remmber her knowledge about a magic coming true with writing?) be an special shaper?
POSSIBLE SPOILERS!
In the first book, when Kvothe is accepted at the University, professor Lorren (protetor of the Arquive) asks Kvothe about his father, Arliden. When he asks him that, I think he know something about Netalia and her escape to live with the Ruh. I think he is hiding something (like an Amyr something. Thats it. Lorren is protecting the Door of Stone VALARITAS in the Arquive and hiding the informations about the Amyr.)
Excellent analysis! I definitely think Lorren is an Amyr as well, actually I plan on doing a video on the four-plate door in the archives soon and I'll for sure be talking about this very thing. I think behind the door there's info on both the Amyr and Chandrian, as well as a tomb of a dead king.
Alle Hamad that's a very good hypothesis or Theory.
Please do it! I love your videos man!
Wild speculation maybe the candle is half of an everburning lamp? Like a reverse entropy machine that pulls light and heat into it to feed it to the ever burning lamp.
"Not tally a lot less", Im sold! fuck this is so sick
In the songs about Lady Lackless, "one sharp word, not for swearing" it coud be Kvothe's name. "One a word that is forsworn" this coud reffer something that woud happend after the opening of the door. If Kvothe's name is used to opened the door, Kvothe coud have lost his own name after using it, this coud be the reason he can't use simphaty or play music anymore.
You cant forget the story about the boy who stole the moon, and kept it in a box, i feel like thats something to do with the lackless box hence a male has to open the door since a male sealed it in the first place, it also takes to reason why the moon is locked away in the fae, maybe the fae is actually inside the lackless box which can only be access through the door of stone, since the moon was trapped inside a box, the moon is in the faen realm
Man your pronunciation of Kvothe is some fun stuff!
I always thought perhaps the word not for swearing is the name of the moon, or the part that was used to bind the moon to both realms, which makes her wax and wane in both.
It has probably already been said elsewhere, but in the last line of the lackless rhyme we hear at the start of the first book, 'likes her riddle raveling', could it be that raveling would originally have ben Ravel-ling, referring in a derogatory way to the Edema Ruh who 'stole' her away from her noble family? I seem, to remember it also mentioning somewhere that Kvothe's father would often set him riddles too, so that could be another thing to reinforce the theory that Kvothe is a Lackless from his mother.
I'm on board with Kvothe's mom being Natalia Lackless as well as Lyra having been a Lackless too. As for the rhyme, I think the Ring is the Ring of a bell while I think the Right Time refers to the correct pase of the moon, which should be exactly half. That would be when the two worlds were balanced. I don't think we've seen the shadow candle yet, that might be in the barrow with the King of Vintas. Kvothe is obviously the son with the blood. The stone in the Lackless box is also right on. Now the forsworn word is probably Amyr, since they forswore being Alu to become the Amyr. Finally, the door that holds back the flood is barring the way to the Lackless door... but NOT the Lackless door itself. This would imply that the Lackless family is actually older than the Creation war and now the Lackless door is on the other side.. ergo the oldest part of the Lackless lands is actually inside the Fae Realm.
THIS IS SO FUN there are so much in those books. This was basically like having a conversation with my boyfriend and our friend, those two are always speculating about these books😂 They actually picked up exactly the same things!! We will see how it all plays out
THANKS. Haha there really is SO much little hidden details and whatnot in these books. That's so awesome your boyfriend and your friend both talk about this series! Hopefully the 3rd book will come out soon to clear some things up, but I'll keep making videos like this in the meantime ^_^
Captured in Words Oh I love this series too don’t get me wrong, just not quite as much as them😂😂 (they’re obsessed)
This is great! I would love to hear your thoughts on theories about the Amir
A ring unworn could also reference a ring of wind. I remember a ring of wind being mentioned at some point.
When Kvothe and Master Elodin were talking in a bar in one of the later chapters of Wise Man's Fear.
the last line of the poem is a name i would wager. The sleeping mind can understand names, and kvothe accesses it most when he day dreams and tips into spinning leaf. he can understand names there in the same way he grasps the lethani. so 7 items and then a name to open the door. Could be wrong though.
So, I think you’re definitely right about Ambrose becoming the King that Kvothe eventually kills. The most prominent evidence of the their positioning to take over the monarchy is when Kvothe visits Caudicus in his study. There, Caudicus try’s to dish out gossip about the Jackiss family after mentioning how he spent the summer with them. Did the Jackiss family put Caudicus up to poisoning the Maer? I think so...
Yes I definitely think the Jakis family hired Caudicus to poison the Maer! I mention this in my theory about Auri being Princess Ariel, and I think there's quite a bit of evidence suggesting that the Jakis family is killing people off to climb up the line of succession :) At some point I'll make a video directly discussing the king that kvothe kills, and all the theories on who this could be
Dude i thought it was so obvious. But your expansion are actually nice
Yeah I thought it was obvious too, though I've talked to a lot of people who never thought about it, as it was such a small part of the book
Where do you find all the amazing art in your videos? I was I could look at them more in depth.
Most of them I get from Deviantart, and some from pinterest. I try to link most of the artwork and artists in the description, so you can get a better look from there :)