My missus owned a DS4 which was a manual. she has always been a fan of French and Italian cars. 4 years and 120k it was relatively problem free other than the turbo which failed at 40k. The other issue that cropped up were the ABS sensors kept giving errors when nothing was wrong with it. Every part of the interior at 3 years was sticky to the touch. Resale value, French car and a manual gearbox, it was worth less than a brand new Vios J Manual when it was 3 years old and we were thankful to that Alphard driver that sent it to "car heaven" These are cars that you have to really love it to buy one. You have to like cars in order to appreciate it. I suppose it does help if it isn't your only car and have some deep pockets to afford it. We were sad to see it go as it was a fun car to drive and if you know how to drive it then it could give a Golf GTI a run for its money and finally we were thankful the day it went to "car heaven" as my missus walked away from it without a single scratch and the same could not be said off the ones in the Alphard.
Never misses your car reviews. The only person who replies for all the comments. Keep it up bro. Anyway I am still waiting for your Altis review. Hope u get the car soon.
im thinking bout buying this DS5 can anyone tell me is it worth it? I love citroen, but common saying in malaysia tell me not to. can anyone tell me the real deal bout having thos car? urgent. 🙌❤
2013 (308 II) over 220k km (I think almost 230k now) - I've had a leak on AC cooler (replaced for around 90 EUR), but nothing other than that issue except standard service (oil change, filter changes, break pads, etc)...
Brilliant car, after my years with unreliable BMW, AUDi, and MERCs, thd DS5 is so refreshing, the design is way ahead of the times, love the interior and how much more exciting it is in comparison to my previous cars, proving extremely reliable, and capable of very high miles. This car is so good, and some people find that difficult to accept due to it being a citroen, so they search for things to niggle about, I to was guilty of this, but when i look back at my previous german cars its only then do i actually realise that the DS5 is way better
I was genuinely surprised that the car was launched in 2011. Still feels contemporary. Pleased to know of your happy ownership experience. How's parts though?
@@KonWaiLuen parts are much cheaper than my previous german cars, and its far more reliable, i can honsetly say that in many way its build quality is on par with premium cars, many of these ds5s have gone well over the 100k miles and still look and feel as fresh new
very rare ... this is damn positive comment. i think nobody knew about this...coz after all...Malaysian perception still skeptical about citroen & VW where both blood sucker car...
@@fendi-uz6kx none, Citroen is reliable, the 2.0 litre diesel auto is awesome on the Motorway, that low down torque is amazing. What I love about them, the comfort ( excellent) styling ( stunning ) driving ( amazing to drive ) and ? No rust, citroens don't suffer from rust. Keep then serviced and they will last forever. As for colour, black looks really good, but best combo is white with black surrounds
@@adeyzas easy to buy now, since Citroens have bad resell value due to the bad rap they get. , Will incur costs if there's wear and tear, since you have to rely on limited service centres. Currently, there is also uncertainty due to Naza being ousted as the distributor with no takers. 1. Check is a service centre is near your address 2. Check if the car has a perfect maintenance record. This model needs to be maintained according to schedule in order to get the 5 or 7 year warranty 3. This is not a complex car, hence it doesn't have too many fancy electricals. But the parts itself, including the styling parts are expensive to get from Europe. You can get the same official parts from China since this model are produced and sold there in significant numbers. Most parts are the same but cheaper than from France. The Klang Valley also have a strong community of Citroen Peugeot owners and experts, so sometime parts are cheaper from these suppliers. 4. After 5 years, some parts will have wear and tear resulting in above average price fixes. Namely the turbo, the drive train, the suspension. 5. Go for models manufactured after 2016. Earlier models have more issues that's fixed around 2015. 6. Don't expect the magic carpet of older Citroen. This model is a standard sporty suspension setup. Competent at dynamic handling. Comfort (noise, vibration, harshness) is mostly if you're driving on highway. The car may be sensitive to uneven roads and potholes.
@@adeyzas to own it you need to be passionate about this car and its unique design. It's rewarding if you appreciate it, learn to care about its French quirks, and care for it.if you get one, check it thoroughly to see if it's been cared for. If the previous owner does care much about it (based in the condition of the interior) , it's a red flag that it's not going to be a good buy
@@robintan502 having heard from Mazda salesman that Bermaz is going to acquire PSA & KIA in first quarter 2021. As Mazda after sales service reputation is so high ranking, hopefully all the alliances can enjoy the same.....
@@adeyzas Yes, there have been whispers, even within the service centres moved to Bermaz control, but no solid confirmations yet. Only confirmed are Peugeot and KIA. Ni real confirmation about Citroen and DS. Though it's odd that the DS3 crossover is reportedly being tested in Penang recently (but not sure who is doing the test)
Civic is more practical in terms of interior space and overall packaging. Mazda3 drives better for me. So, if you like balanced handling, Mazda3. If you have space considerations, Civic is the better bet.
Kon Wai Luen will the Mazda 3 feel alot slower than the civic? Other than practicality and performance I think the Mazda 3 is the overall better choice right?
The Mazda3 will lack the Civic Turbo's sudden punch, but it is assuredly not slow. I'm quite sure at full throttle acceleration, the Mazda3 will keep up with the Civic. It's just that because the Mazda accelerates more linearly, you don't feel the acceleration as vivid as you do in the Civic.
First , I must applaud your effort in doing a review on a Citroen car , I never see anybody doing it in Malaysia , so it is good you review something that is not common for viewer to see and judge , your work and idea should be appreciated and supported , I urge all car lover viewer to subscribe to Kon video , we need car reviewer like Kon . Second , I feel really funny in seeing you try your very best to speak something good about the car and not condemn it , you look trying to control and squeeze out the word carefully .And lastly ,my humble opinion , never buy a french make car especially citroen , I have experience working indirectly with french automotive component parts , the design is not meant for long lasting , it is only meant for the maximum of 5 years , then all component will start to wear and tear , one must understand their design concept before you buy , but as Kon say , if you want something unique and special , then go for it and enjoy for 5 years and change to another car , and pls don't talk about the resale value of this car in Malaysia , don't make second hand dealer to laugh at you , as everyone know citroen car don't have resale value even in US
Thanks for watching! Well, as a product, there's nothing much to condemn about this car. It is quirky, but decently built. Driving is average - neither outstanding nor disappointing, but design is out of this world. Achilles heel really is the ownership experience or, at the very least, public's perception of it. Of course, the flip side of poor resale value is that you can get these cars for cheap in the used market.
Put it this way, the DS5 is basically a cut price Range Rover Evoque minus the all wheel drive credentials. Think about this: Just like the evoque it has a meh driving experience. From what I remember it uses the same AWF21 Aisin 6 speed as per the pre 2014 RRE. Like the RRE, the reliability is a big question mark. Unless it’s running the final edition of the Prince engine as per the current style 308, the Prince is notorious for turbo related issues and depollution failures. Ironically the RRE is also the same with the known electrical issues that occur. Like RRE, this thing is fantastic to sit in, having sat in the DS5 both in pre and post facelift form, you won’t believe this is a sub 200k car by its initial feel of the leather and materials used. It’s properly avantgarde and scrumptious. I’ve personally been in as a passenger in the pre facelift and drove the facelift myself and found it very.... jello like. It’s not comfortable and well controlled like a Golf or Focus, just too soft that it became bouncy. Also not to mention the front had a very weird feel to me, the fish tank like experience actually made me sick when I drove it a bit hard during some backroads. Despite all of this it’s honestly one of my favourite PSA cars - if only they gave the Hydractive system too.
An interesting line of thought. I have not driven the pre-FL model, but overseas reviews say this new one is significantly improved. It's not bad, in my books, but not a driving experience I may recall 2-3 years down the road.
The new one has a lot better quality improvements I believe. That, and Peugeot have kind of figured out the satnav to some extent. The USP in Europe was the fact this came in a diesel Hybrid4 variant, with the EGS system as well as a range of good PSA diesels - emissions were low for its size and incentives were great. But good luck with the EGS transmission.
Thanks for the feedback. Problem with the angles is that I'm shooting blind with the gimbal. Next up may be a phone with better stabilization software.
Ex-user of 2011 308 THP 6 speed stock setting: engine fault, turbo cut off, broken timing chain, compressor malfunction, interior is made by biodegradable materials, replace abs sensors 5 times, etc ... Damage: 25k. Very limited used car dealer wants to buy your car. Those 4-speed 308THP owners even worse, straight away reject the offer by dealers.
Watching this today. Still loving this car.
My missus owned a DS4 which was a manual. she has always been a fan of French and Italian cars. 4 years and 120k it was relatively problem free other than the turbo which failed at 40k. The other issue that cropped up were the ABS sensors kept giving errors when nothing was wrong with it.
Every part of the interior at 3 years was sticky to the touch.
Resale value, French car and a manual gearbox, it was worth less than a brand new Vios J Manual when it was 3 years old and we were thankful to that Alphard driver that sent it to "car heaven"
These are cars that you have to really love it to buy one. You have to like cars in order to appreciate it. I suppose it does help if it isn't your only car and have some deep pockets to afford it.
We were sad to see it go as it was a fun car to drive and if you know how to drive it then it could give a Golf GTI a run for its money and finally we were thankful the day it went to "car heaven" as my missus walked away from it without a single scratch and the same could not be said off the ones in the Alphard.
Oh gosh. But interested to know... how did you get a DS4 MT into Malaysia?
Kon Wai Luen Naza brought in 15 units in 2014, was told 1 of it was still in stock up until a few months ago.
Never misses your car reviews. The only person who replies for all the comments. Keep it up bro. Anyway I am still waiting for your Altis review. Hope u get the car soon.
Thanks for watching man!
The styling of the DS5 still looks fresh after its first launch which badged as Citroen.
For a 7-year-old product, it's astonishingly fresh-looking.
im thinking bout buying this DS5 can anyone tell me is it worth it? I love citroen, but common saying in malaysia tell me not to. can anyone tell me the real deal bout having thos car? urgent. 🙌❤
so did you baught it?
i want to ask about the fuel if the car is fuel save or fuel drinker?
Quite save
You can always count on Kon to give a very in depth review, like you can count on his terrible camera angles.
What angles? I shoot blind man! Haha.
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2012 Peugeot 308 owner who has clocked 157k mileage with no major problems thus far. It’s weird why people have negative perception about the French 😂
same I don't have any major issue on my Peugeot too
Great to know of your positive experiences. How are parts prices?
Depends. My abs sensor(SC price) cheaper than Kia Forte. Some parts easily 4 digits.
2013 (308 II) over 220k km (I think almost 230k now) - I've had a leak on AC cooler (replaced for around 90 EUR), but nothing other than that issue except standard service (oil change, filter changes, break pads, etc)...
Your unit using NA engine or turbo power? Having heard only turbo power will gives trouble...
Brilliant! Thank you 🙂
Thanks for watching!
Very detailed review ...nice bro
Thanks for watching!
Brilliant car, after my years with unreliable BMW, AUDi, and MERCs, thd DS5 is so refreshing, the design is way ahead of the times, love the interior and how much more exciting it is in comparison to my previous cars, proving extremely reliable, and capable of very high miles. This car is so good, and some people find that difficult to accept due to it being a citroen, so they search for things to niggle about, I to was guilty of this, but when i look back at my previous german cars its only then do i actually realise that the DS5 is way better
I was genuinely surprised that the car was launched in 2011. Still feels contemporary. Pleased to know of your happy ownership experience. How's parts though?
@@KonWaiLuen parts are much cheaper than my previous german cars, and its far more reliable, i can honsetly say that in many way its build quality is on par with premium cars, many of these ds5s have gone well over the 100k miles and still look and feel as fresh new
very rare ... this is damn positive comment. i think nobody knew about this...coz after all...Malaysian perception still skeptical about citroen & VW where both blood sucker car...
Thankss for the info, im about to get one!!!! Any common issue with the car? Convince me pls. 😉😉😉😉
@@fendi-uz6kx none, Citroen is reliable, the 2.0 litre diesel auto is awesome on the Motorway, that low down torque is amazing. What I love about them, the comfort ( excellent) styling ( stunning ) driving ( amazing to drive ) and ? No rust, citroens don't suffer from rust. Keep then serviced and they will last forever. As for colour, black looks really good, but best combo is white with black surrounds
As always.. Very thorough review by kon.. Frankly kon... If you have the budget... Will you buy ds5?
At RM199k, not likely, but at RM160k after discounts, might consider, but this is a car, if I buy, definitely look into the used market.
I own a DS5, not seen expensive fix if you know how to get the OEM original DS parts from their China DS factories.
Do u think is worth to buy 2nd unit now. Pls share your experience on ownership cost..
@@adeyzas easy to buy now, since Citroens have bad resell value due to the bad rap they get. , Will incur costs if there's wear and tear, since you have to rely on limited service centres. Currently, there is also uncertainty due to Naza being ousted as the distributor with no takers.
1. Check is a service centre is near your address
2. Check if the car has a perfect maintenance record. This model needs to be maintained according to schedule in order to get the 5 or 7 year warranty
3. This is not a complex car, hence it doesn't have too many fancy electricals. But the parts itself, including the styling parts are expensive to get from Europe. You can get the same official parts from China since this model are produced and sold there in significant numbers. Most parts are the same but cheaper than from France. The Klang Valley also have a strong community of Citroen Peugeot owners and experts, so sometime parts are cheaper from these suppliers.
4. After 5 years, some parts will have wear and tear resulting in above average price fixes. Namely the turbo, the drive train, the suspension.
5. Go for models manufactured after 2016. Earlier models have more issues that's fixed around 2015.
6. Don't expect the magic carpet of older Citroen. This model is a standard sporty suspension setup. Competent at dynamic handling. Comfort (noise, vibration, harshness) is mostly if you're driving on highway. The car may be sensitive to uneven roads and potholes.
@@adeyzas to own it you need to be passionate about this car and its unique design. It's rewarding if you appreciate it, learn to care about its French quirks, and care for it.if you get one, check it thoroughly to see if it's been cared for. If the previous owner does care much about it (based in the condition of the interior) , it's a red flag that it's not going to be a good buy
@@robintan502 having heard from Mazda salesman that Bermaz is going to acquire PSA & KIA in first quarter 2021. As Mazda after sales service reputation is so high ranking, hopefully all the alliances can enjoy the same.....
@@adeyzas Yes, there have been whispers, even within the service centres moved to Bermaz control, but no solid confirmations yet. Only confirmed are Peugeot and KIA. Ni real confirmation about Citroen and DS. Though it's odd that the DS3 crossover is reportedly being tested in Penang recently (but not sure who is doing the test)
Hi kon, im struggling between getting the Mazda 3 or the civic. Mind to share your opinion on which one is better?
Civic is more practical in terms of interior space and overall packaging. Mazda3 drives better for me. So, if you like balanced handling, Mazda3. If you have space considerations, Civic is the better bet.
Kon Wai Luen will the Mazda 3 feel alot slower than the civic? Other than practicality and performance I think the Mazda 3 is the overall better choice right?
The Mazda3 will lack the Civic Turbo's sudden punch, but it is assuredly not slow. I'm quite sure at full throttle acceleration, the Mazda3 will keep up with the Civic. It's just that because the Mazda accelerates more linearly, you don't feel the acceleration as vivid as you do in the Civic.
First , I must applaud your effort in doing a review on a Citroen car , I never see anybody doing it in Malaysia , so it is good you review something that is not common for viewer to see and judge , your work and idea should be appreciated and supported , I urge all car lover viewer to subscribe to Kon video , we need car reviewer like Kon . Second , I feel really funny in seeing you try your very best to speak something good about the car and not condemn it , you look trying to control and squeeze out the word carefully .And lastly ,my humble opinion , never buy a french make car especially citroen , I have experience working indirectly with french automotive component parts , the design is not meant for long lasting , it is only meant for the maximum of 5 years , then all component will start to wear and tear , one must understand their design concept before you buy , but as Kon say , if you want something unique and special , then go for it and enjoy for 5 years and change to another car , and pls don't talk about the resale value of this car in Malaysia , don't make second hand dealer to laugh at you , as everyone know citroen car don't have resale value even in US
Thanks for watching! Well, as a product, there's nothing much to condemn about this car. It is quirky, but decently built. Driving is average - neither outstanding nor disappointing, but design is out of this world. Achilles heel really is the ownership experience or, at the very least, public's perception of it. Of course, the flip side of poor resale value is that you can get these cars for cheap in the used market.
Since PSA group owns Opel now i really hope they can learn a thing or 2 from the German in term of technological and engineering their cars
Would take sometime before any effects manifest.
this car roof game is in the class of its own
3 sunroofs?! top compartments and control panels?!
lucky it more reliable then the keyless door
Hahahaha.. you're right man.
Storage compartment on the top wtf weih
Put it this way, the DS5 is basically a cut price Range Rover Evoque minus the all wheel drive credentials. Think about this:
Just like the evoque it has a meh driving experience. From what I remember it uses the same AWF21 Aisin 6 speed as per the pre 2014 RRE.
Like the RRE, the reliability is a big question mark. Unless it’s running the final edition of the Prince engine as per the current style 308, the Prince is notorious for turbo related issues and depollution failures. Ironically the RRE is also the same with the known electrical issues that occur.
Like RRE, this thing is fantastic to sit in, having sat in the DS5 both in pre and post facelift form, you won’t believe this is a sub 200k car by its initial feel of the leather and materials used. It’s properly avantgarde and scrumptious.
I’ve personally been in as a passenger in the pre facelift and drove the facelift myself and found it very.... jello like. It’s not comfortable and well controlled like a Golf or Focus, just too soft that it became bouncy. Also not to mention the front had a very weird feel to me, the fish tank like experience actually made me sick when I drove it a bit hard during some backroads.
Despite all of this it’s honestly one of my favourite PSA cars - if only they gave the Hydractive system too.
An interesting line of thought. I have not driven the pre-FL model, but overseas reviews say this new one is significantly improved. It's not bad, in my books, but not a driving experience I may recall 2-3 years down the road.
The new one has a lot better quality improvements I believe. That, and Peugeot have kind of figured out the satnav to some extent. The USP in Europe was the fact this came in a diesel Hybrid4 variant, with the EGS system as well as a range of good PSA diesels - emissions were low for its size and incentives were great. But good luck with the EGS transmission.
that red cable keep sticking out in the video ...as annoying as the resale value of the car :)
Indeed...the red cable 😅
I've grown fond of the cable tho....
kon.. haiyaa.. nothing to comment bout your review, as usual explain very nice and deep bout the car.. but.. your camera angle.. hehe..
Thanks for the feedback. Problem with the angles is that I'm shooting blind with the gimbal. Next up may be a phone with better stabilization software.
Awesome👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
How much this car?
RM199k list, but discounted to about RM160k
Kon, good job bro 👍👍👍
Thanks for watching!
Yeah, Denon as good as JBL, BOSE etc but a bit less mainstream
Thanks for the info!
Ford smax?
Ford S-Max = best car ever.
@@KonWaiLuen next car goals?
After getting my E39.
@@KonWaiLuen is there any at wearnes?
popular people mover in europe...
Ex-user of 2011 308 THP 6 speed stock setting: engine fault, turbo cut off, broken timing chain, compressor malfunction, interior is made by biodegradable materials, replace abs sensors 5 times, etc ... Damage: 25k. Very limited used car dealer wants to buy your car. Those 4-speed 308THP owners even worse, straight away reject the offer by dealers.
Ouch! How much did you eventually sell your car for?
Kon Wai Luen Slightly lesser than the new cheapest spec Axia.
That biodegradable materials tho
U show us your hand or wat? 😂😂😂
Hand hand hand hand.......
macam airplane lol
It evokes that feel. Haha.
french car.it will bleed your wallet.lots of things will go wrong after few years