Hans-Hermann Hoppe, “Javier Milei” (PFS 2024)
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- This talk is from the 18th Annual (2024) Meeting of the Property and Freedom Society, Sept. 19, 2024 to Tuesday, Sept. 24, 2024. This is an excerpt from the panel discussion on Sat. Sept. 21, 2024, "Dürr, Müller, Fusillo, Bagus, Hoppe, Roundtable: What to Make of Milei"
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Thanks mister Hoppe ! People should read Oscar Grau's articles about Milei !
People who read Oscar Grau's article are largely on the right track and curious for the details.
The ignorant people wouldn't read Oscar's (well-made) article even if you made them aware of it.
@@giannipudic305 Sad, but true. I believe they suffer from "The Most Dangerous Superstition" by Larken Rose. It cripples their cognition.
What are you people kidding me?? Oscar Grau is sectarian; something Rothbard warned us to avoid!
also he is just a music teacher who just parrots HHH and some others from the Mises Institute.
I've read all his articles on Milei and the 'ah-ha moment' to realise he is just a Hoppean troll came when Grau wrote (paraphrasing) that Milei is unlibertarian bc he doesn't believe in marriage.
Since when does not agreeing with the institution of marriage violate the NAP?
Read Grau articles, read HHH, and they can teach us libertarians what NOT to do so we can heed Rothbard's call and avoid sectarianism!
Oscar Grau?! Are you kidding me!
I have read all his articles on Milei and he definitely engages in sectarianism!
Something Rothbard warned us to avoid or else the Libertarian movement will stall and never be known to the masses.
Also he is a music teacher who just parrots HHH.
The 'ah-ha' moment for me came when in one of the articles Grau claimed (and I'm paraphrasing) that Milei was unlibertarian bc he didn't believe in the institution of marriage. Since when does not believing in marriage violate the NAP?!
Read Grau, read HHH and we can get an idea of what NOT to do so as to heed Rothbard's call and avoid sectarianism!
Oscar Grau is a sectarian. Failing Rothbard's call to avoid such a thing!
He is also a music teacher who just parrots whatever HHH says.
I read all Grau articles and the 'ah-ha' moment came when Grau wrote (and I'm paraphrasing) that Milei was unlibertarian bc he didn't believe in the institution of marriage. Since when does not believing in marriage violate the NAP?!
Both Grau, HHH and a few others at the MI are sectarians and therefore are not to be listened to lest the Libertarian movement will completely stall. Milei has given it a massive jolt
Nirvana's fallacy incarnation
If you ever read a HHH book you learned shit
Milei is playing what his role allows, with a coalition government.
Sanitizing bureaucracy, toxic regulations and rebalancing budgets.
As benefits show up, he will likely go more libertarian thanks to more political power given by more votes.
I see online many libertarians missjudging what he can do now.
Soy de argentina y estas en lo correcto.....recibio un desastre economico...de deuda...de inflacion...etcetcetc....y esta haciendo reformas donde puede y le permite la realidad del pais...pero cads reforma es hacia un libertarismo
THIS!
Yea, many people don't realize the issue of government and its restriction to make changes within a given governing system. I'm not familiar with Argentina's government, but I'm certain he's got a lot to deal with when playing the political game.
I see a strong, desperate need to believe in a savior, e.g., ANYONE who promises extreme measures, big change. Milei did NOT say: "Elect me but don't count on much because my hands will be tied by the bureaucracy." Someone wrote good speeches for him. Big promises got him big power. He is NOT using it but his critics will claim he did and it didn't work, proving anarco-capitalism doesn't work.
@@1voluntaryist garbage!
and this is total cowardice.
We all supported Ron Paul and he was for not changing social security (one of the biggest government programs in the US), but instead giving people a choice to opt out.
Distancing from Milei bc he hasn't implemented ALL anarchocapitalist ideas yet is being sectarian and is the surest way us Libertarians will never get over 3% of the vote.
I love this man.
Hoppe doesn't get what was happening in Argentina and how the political system is there. Milei has 10% of senate, 15% of deputy's, while the peronists (socialism and communism) has 48% of senate and 46% of deputy's. Look what he have to do to approve ANYTHING. 3 more votes to the leftists and he's cooked...
He raised import tax from 7.5 to 17.5, but reduced back to 7.5 in September, he also promised that he will extinguish this tax in December.
Yesterday, he lowered most of import taxes, from 35 to 20%, from 12 to 2%.
I wish we could abolish the state in a snap of fingers. Sadly, we cannot.
Milei managed to axhieve a surplus every month in 2024, but Argentina is the most defaulting country in the world and has a huge external debt.
He is using all the surplus to pay off debts and the leftovers to reduce taxes.
In the 2025 budget, he seeks a reduction of US$ 90 billion in govt. expenses, a government expenditure of 25% of GDP (it was 42% before milei, now it is 32%) and an inflation of 18% (it was 289% in December/2023).
Milei is doing the best as he can right now. I hope next year he gets more seats in the Congress.
He is just paving the way for the lefties to get the power back in Argentina with a better economy, just like what happened in Brazil with Bolsonaro.
@@zer0bit
Being a Zionist disqualifies him in my book.
I totally agree! Sadly, Hoppe ignores the reality. Milei is not an almighty dictator.
@@Bazzzzz93
Milei is a thoroughgoing Zionist. That alone pulls his libertarian card.
Hoppe noted that the new revenue surplus was NOT being used to pay down debt, only spending. The national debt NEED NOT be paid! Did you miss that explanation?
I have no doubt that if Milei was elected as a dictator in a country with 0 debt, he would have done nothing Hoppe would disagree with
You have faith in democratic clowns, read Democracy the God that Failed
NAILED IT
YES!
There is no such thing as a "benign dictator". Anyone who says: Give me sovereignty over you and I promise to only use it to "serve & protect" you, is a liar. If you're not going to use a deadly power of control. why ask for it?
I don't think I know anyone as close as you do, I hope it is as you say.
Long life to profesor Hans-Hermann Hoppe
Long live HHH
you are aware that HHH also believes in a Libertarian social order in which anyone who doesn't agree with his conservative ideas will be excluded. In his words:
"in a covenant founded for the purpose of protecting family and kin, there can be no tolerance toward those habitually promoting lifestyles incompatible with this goal. They - the advocates of alternative, non-family and kin-centered lifestyles such as, for instance, individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism - will have to be physically removed from society, too, if one is to maintain a libertarian order... Libertarians must distinguish themselves from others by practicing (as well as advocating) the most extreme form of intolerance and discrimination against egalitarians, democrats, socialists, communists, multiculturalists, environmentalists, ill manners, misconduct, incompetence, rudeness, vulgarity, and obscenity".
Since when does incompetence, vulgarity, I'll manners, or homosexuality violate the NAP?
in time Libertarians will slowly discover that HHH is no hero of ours but quite the opposite!
@@adrianfiorito1593 based
Fortunately, Mr. Hoppe initially acknowledges that he has no idea what Argentina is like, which is evident, as it is clear that he is not aware of Milei's political achievement in getting a significant portion of the population to make a 180-degree ideological shift. It is not a small subject, that after had chosen an extension of Kirchnerism just four years prior, the argentinian electorate migrated in record time, not only to understand the ideas of freedom but also libertarian ideas. However, in a country with the characteristics and economic time bombs that Argentina still has, minimizing both the achievements but also the prudence and political strategies of Milei to prevent the country from exploding in his face, is, to say the least, a clear demonstration of a lack of clarity regarding three main issues: the idiosyncrasy that prevails among almost half of the population, the potential explosiveness that the previous government literally left activated in the macroeconomy; and an opposition that bets on the slightest mistake, regardless of whether the Argentine rescue fails.
A salutation from Mexico, where we are just heading in the same “road to serfdom” than Argentina.
Saludos desde Brasil. And you mexicans are so screwed with your new socialist president. Fasten your seatbelts, because you are going to experience a wild ride.
I agree with you, brother. Personally, I consider it unserious that Hoppe gives such categorical opinions without having taken the time to inform himself well. Someone like him could have easily gotten an audience or a talk with Milei himself.
Población que fue engañada vilmente, dijo que el ajuste lo iba a hacer la política y ahora esas personas no tienen trabajo ni como alimentar a su familia; metió 20 puntos de pobreza con una devaluación salvaje, se está muriendo gente por el abandono de las políticas públicas, que haga un plebiscito a ver quien lo vota.
I disagree with Hoppe. Everything is understood in comparison. Milei pursues a more pro-libertarian policy than 99.99% of politicians. He openly calls himself an enemy of the establishment and fights against it constantly, battling for every law. Milei is already a hero simply because he goes against the incentives and reforms the state toward freedom in the interest of the people, against his own personal interests.
We know for sure that the president's power in Argentina is limited by liberal-democratic institutions, and Milei can't just snap his fingers and eliminate the state. He is forced to operate within what's possible, and from the outside, it's hard for us to understand how wide these limits are. Even if he were fully committed to Rothbardian-Hoppean anarcho-capitalist ideals, even if Hoppe himself had possessed him and controlled his actions, it’s not certain that he could enact more radical reforms than he's managing now. Politics is the art of the possible. That's why we must compare him to other politicians, rather than judge his actions based on how closely Argentina's current situation aligns with the ideals of anarcho-capitalism.
Moreover, Milei needs our support right now. The success of his reforms depends on it, and also the likelihood of more libertarian politicians emerging. He’s the first president in the world to declare himself an anarcho-capitalist. Right now, politicians worldwide are watching the situation in Argentina and Milei’s fate. What signal will we send them if we don't support him? The left clearly divides the world into "us" and "them," and they stand firmly behind their own, defending them at all costs, putting group power struggles above ideological differences. Yes, the left endlessly argues with each other, but they know how to unite around promising figures in the fight for power against the right. This is exactly how they’ve cornered us into the shameful position we’re in.
Right now, Javier Milei is the bravest, most radical, and most successful right-wing politician. Of course, he's a hero. We must loudly proclaim his praise to the world, so that in every country, the people will demand politicians like Milei.
Facts. However, I would have really preferred he did not increase spending in military and did not actively support Israel when there was no need to.
@@free.market.libertarian I agree as well
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Your comment deserves more likes
Te mandaste flor de comentario! Pero sin aportar nada más que tu opinión
I think Hoppe's criticism is mostly right, but it is missing a few details that make it harsher than he arguably deserves, like how Milei is not in complete control of the government. That being said, all of the stuff that Hoppe said about Milei's relationships with the more establishment forces is certainly very concerning and might indicate that he might not do everything that he should even if he had complete control over his government
Milei has not deregulate as much as he promised because he has to deal with parliament and also consider that public employees and labor unions are very strong in Argentina. One of the main problems of libertarianism is that many of its premises are theorized on the "ideal world" and not in the "real world".
no we never claimed it to be the ideal world
False. Radical libertarians are not utopians. You’re thinking of communists.
You are right. For example, the notion of using private courts and private police will, with imperfect humans, lead to plutocracy. If men were angels...
@@shawnradke It's very true that no libertarian has ever claimed that ancapistan would be a utopia, but it's also most definitely true that Milei doesn't have the power to just unilaterally destroy the government.
That said, I'm not sure what to think about him. Hoppe makes excellent points here, and certainly, if you're serious about libertarianism and can only go after one institution, central banking would be the one to attack most ferociously. On the other hand, there are limits to what he can do and what he can get away with.
Ultimately, his support of the military industrial complex and Israel are the most damning pieces of evidence. I see no reason why he would need to dance to that tune when he could just as easily keep quiet on the matter if he wants to play it safe.
@@thebadger1993 HHH is being very simplistic here. he said Milei just had to close the central bank and stop printing money. In the real world that means the destruction of the country. Billions and billions of pesos were owed by the central bank to argentine banks; in 2023 it got to the point where banks were lending most of their capital to the central bank in ONE DAY PAPERS. if the central bank defaults its debt, all banks go bankrupt in a day.
sure it's the market at work because no one should have trusted the central bank offering 150% rates.. but Milei would have been ejected the next day by an angry mob of millions.
Milei is doing it in a pragmatic way. He will increase some taxes, get fiscal surpluses, pay the debt of the central bank, and when all is done, he will for sure close the central bank for ever. I do not doubt for a second.
IF he manages to do that, he will be remembered as the most libertarian president to ever be in power in any nation ever.
agreed. lets not forget the basic rule to judge people by their actions and not their words.
according to the comments here, his actions are constantly hamstrung by the overwhelming majority of people in the Argentine government who don't agree with his views which is entirely unsurprising.
@@bliptripmusic How did the majority "hamstring" his alliance with warmongers? They did NOT. How did they "hamstring" his attempt to close the national bank? The majority have ZERO clue and are waiting for Milei to act and "Make Argentina Great Again". He is a fraud.
Milei’s foreign policy is actually excellent . Prevents a regime change operation from Washington , and Argentina has no influence on international politics anyway . Hoppe prefers beautiful losers like Ron Paul : never became president , never abolished even one regulation, but at least he had the right foreign policy views !
I love Ron Paul, but you are of course right. AnCaps need to cut Milei some slack, he has in 9 months turned the country from a certain death, into a soon to be economic powerhouse.
You conflate political "success" with achieving libertarian success (promoting peace and prosperity)
@@vephar7064 libertarians promote Russian war of aggression, not peace
@@radiozelaza If you support NATO actions, you're the warmonger
You lack Hoppe's courage and steadfastness. So do I, no doubt. He is not a political strategist. He's not interested in how state's recalibrate and reorganize, no more than what cartel holds turf in Mexico. He's a true anarchist.
It's quite possible that Milei has a strategy of feigning compliance with all of these international bodies to milk them and appease them with plans of taking a more anarchist turn later. But in the meantime, people die, money is confiscated and counterfeited, coercions abound, and the victims are all over the world. Hoppe, for his part, doesn't have to sleep with that on his conscience.
To be fair, everyone, including Hoppe, takes a personal strategy in the freedom fight. Hoppe's isn't taking up arms against the criminals he names. He is worth little as a soldier, especially a dead one. Milei faces it even more as a public figure.
Still, I think Hoppe's criticism's are healthy and necessary given that he is probably the most prominent anarcho-capitalist voice today and Milei chose to depict himself as such. If Milei knows Rothbard and Hoppe's philosophies, he should have all of these criticisms tapping him on the shoulder every day and not be surprised by anything Hoppe says here.
Mises, Rothbard, Hoppe, Baader - das sind meine Kader!
"Estos son mis norte"
Eso dijo pero adivinen que?
Jamas leyo a hoppe y a rothbard solo lo conoce por memes ya que si lo hubiera leido ,no seria un vil sionista
@@keroknighttotal garbage! there are many Libertarians who are also Zionists. Walter Block is one.
To avoid sectarianism, us Libertarians must support the side of a conflict or argument that supports freedom more than the other - this of course without conceding other freedoms in the process.
As a Libertarian I find it far more probable for a Libertarian future in Israel than in Palestine, who elected a government (Hamas) who openly have said they are seeking a new Islamic caliphate to swallow the world.
So we say we support Israel bc they are the lesser of the two evils. And then we further say to Israel that they need to go further in the Libertarian direction.
To say that both are gangs is sectarian. To say that Ron Paul and Javier Milei are also gangsters is sectarian and will leave libertarianism to the dust
Completely agree with the Wars parts of the professor Hoppe speech
As a Right-Libertarian I have a negative view on all politicians, including Libertarian ones.
Retarded take. Milei has done more for libertarianism as president of a nation putting the ideal into practice than anyone else you could name. Even Rothbard or Mises who merely wrote books in hopes that someone like Milei would come along and adjust things accordingly
@@isimperialist based
Yep ! For it'll always be a fool's errand trying to square the "ancap politician" circle...
@@isimperialist Absolutely moronic take considering the results Milei has been pulling including but not limited to reducing his government by half, cutting subsidies, privatizing state agencies and taming inflation
Hopefully he will get a majority in the Chamber of Deputies and Senate. This should allow him to do more.
Bien dicho!
Gut gesagt!
Well said!
Toda la razón, los verdaderos libertarios estabamos indignados
Excellent. Made mosta these points and was pretty hated by a lotta folks for a long time. Good to see he's on the right page.
Dude got elected & ran straight to the wailing wall 😂😂😂
OYYYYYYYYYVEYYYYYYYYYYYYY ✡️✡️✡️
Bro, i love you (obviously less than Anxo Bastos) but we got worst regulations than soviets... He's a minority trying to get everything that he can.
Leviathan don't wanna die easy.
The "Leviathan" will kill anyone who is a threat, EVEN A LITTLE ONE. See: The JFK murder by a conspiracy with the CIA, FBI, NSA, secretary of offense, Joint Chiefs. A living Milei is proof he is ZERO threat.
Is Milei the perfect anarchist? No, is he better than other presidents, hell yeah
tell me you didn't listen
You didn't read much about anarchocapitalism I assume, since you're saying someone INSIDE the state is better than the rest. Yeah of course you'll get rid of aggression by being less aggressive lol
Like if this isn't what democracies want, that exchange of power and sometimes leaning to the right, sometimes to the left, but always leaning towards statism.
sorry, I should have made my phrase more clear, he is better than other presidents
His support for the totalitarian Jewish state makes that false.
@@thefredkalis
That’s like saying the turd in my toilet is better than the one in yours.
I remember the early days of the libertarian party in the US. We believed that there is no chance that a libertarian could ever win an election, but for the sake of education about libertarian ideas, it is worth running. I see the same applying here.
“He [Milei] is better than the other crap that is running around, but that’s about it.”
and far better than HHH. In fact in time the Libertarian movement will recognise Milei as one of the greatest figures for our movement. He has inspired countless new Libertarians and anarchocapitalists to the cause.
Including some from Argentina who now write for the Mises Institute.
He is the Ron Paul, possibly even better, of South America.
I am 100% in agreement with HHH. Milei sold himself for years as an Austro-libertarian or anarcho-capitalist and he is failing to get anywhere close to that philosophy. He used to say he was a (classical) liberal in the short term and an anarcho-capitalist in the long run. I understand that Argentina has been a mess during the previous 12 years (actually, since 1946 I would say) so this puts the population in a desperate position to accept any type of change. On the political front, I think Milei is trying to put common sense back to being the main driver of policy, instead of an exception. Also, implementing any ideas outside of the statist - collectivist - socialist local culture is not an easy thing to do in Argentina. Any small cultural change is difficult in Argentina.
Regarding the population not understanding what Milei stood for during his pre-political years and during his campaign, HHH is correct. I remember being criticized and verbally attacked for decades for supporting classical liberalism, not to mention when trying to introduce anarcho-capitalist ideas or perspectives. Now these same people became Milei’s biggest fans and defenders overnight. Still as of today, when proposing a “radical” change to a more libertarian policy, I get the same criticism as before.
I followed closely Milei back when he was still fighting the “cultural war,” before he got into politics. Although intellectually speaking, he was a real mess back then, he did manage to install the subject of this important conversation in the Argentine society (especially with young people) about liberty, markets, sound money and the real source of problems: government and its central banks. That, I had never seen before except for one person with a small audience. Just for that alone, he was a real hero.
Everything HHH mentions about Milei is correct from an Austrian-libertarian or anarcho-capitalist perspective (just as Milei had positioned himself over the years, prior to getting into politics).
On the international front, Milei has been horrible. Why would he position Argentina against countries she has no problems against? There are so many other urgent matters to take care of before taking sides in wars Milei clearly does not understand.
To me, Milei must be a steppingstone in the right direction, so future generations can start from a better baseline than the one my parents and my generation started from. For this to happen, he cannot fail. I wish Milei and Argentina the best.
Triple H is based, I love him
He won’t talk about the hall of costs
This is the second time I'm reposting this in this comments section haha.
BASED???!! maybe not!
"you are aware that HHH also believes in a Libertarian social order in which anyone who doesn't agree with his conservative ideas will be excluded. In his words:
"in a covenant founded for the purpose of protecting family and kin, there can be no tolerance toward those habitually promoting lifestyles incompatible with this goal. They - the advocates of alternative, non-family and kin-centered lifestyles such as, for instance, individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism - will have to be physically removed from society, too, if one is to maintain a libertarian order... Libertarians must distinguish themselves from others by practicing (as well as advocating) the most extreme form of intolerance and discrimination against egalitarians, democrats, socialists, communists, multiculturalists, environmentalists, ill manners, misconduct, incompetence, rudeness, vulgarity, and obscenity".
Since when does incompetence, vulgarity, I'll manners, or homosexuality violate the NAP?
in time Libertarians will slowly discover that HHH is no hero of ours but quite the opposite!"
Friedrich August von Hayek went to Chile to advise General Pinochet. Would professor Hoppe be willing to go to Argentina and advise Milei?
I doubt he has anything useful to say to Milei.
Hayek? Interesting. I thought it was Friedman.
Are you seriously comparing Milei to Pinochet? How hilarious
@@Nachoidess Don't you mean "nothing that a fraud like Milei could use"?
@@frankstrawnation both visited Chile to advise Pinochet
Hoppe has made several mistakes and seems unaware that Milei has submitted over 100,000 resolutions aimed at reducing the size of the government, most of which have been rejected by Parliament. With only eight representatives in the legislative body, it's baffling that Hoppe speaks as if Milei has the unchecked power of someone like Maduro, capable of enacting any policy. Milei even put forward a list of 40 companies to privatize, yet Parliament only approved four. It's disappointing to see one of my intellectual heroes, who claims to have been in the field for a long time, making such rookie errors. I'm confident Milei is working on arranging a conversation with Hoppe to clarify the situation. Milei won’t let this misunderstanding stand.
Well "I'm confident" that when Milei fails to get the advice from Hoppe that you predict, you will ignore it and excuse all Milei's failures.
@@1voluntaryist reading through these comments and I see your constantly negative ones.
I don't know you, but I can already tell you are a sectarian, and it's Libertarians like you (and HHH) that have stumped the progress of the Libertarian movement.
Milei, in contrast, just gave the Libertarian movement a massive jolt of energy!
For example it seems that Hope doesn't know that it is illegal to fire state employees that were hired by public technical contest ( English doesn't even have an appropriate wording to that idea)
Then how did he get rid of a few? The "law" is for citizens, NOT the ruler/govt. employee, e.g., in the USA there is "qualified (unlimited) immunity" for govt. employees.
During the critique, there was time to tell several times what magic wand Hoppe would use, in this same situation, to convince an opposing parliament and an entire population
Si señor!!
I am afraid that Hans is wrong this issue, and as a fan of his I hoped that he would analyse the situation more completely:
- Hoppe claims that Milei did not teach Argentines about anarchocapitalism; of course most Argentines are not libertarian scholars but if you follow Milei you will know that he tries to educate his followers on Austrian economics on anarchocapitalism costantly; he is a President, not a lecturer
- Hoppe claims that Milei did not do enough in interal affairs and is too moderate; what Hoppe seems to forget is that Milei does not have a majority, so he can only rule as much as the opposition will let him
- Hoppe says that Milei did not close the central bank; Milei does not have the power to do this without a majority
- Hoppe talks about gold being shipped out of the country; this was done to provide a source of revenue, many governments do this
- Hoppe claims that inflation is still high; surely Hoppe knows better than to blame Milei for inflation that has been left over by the communists?
- Hoppe claims that Milei should repudiate the debt with the IMF; I agree with Hoppe on this and think this is a mistake on Milei's part
- Hoppe claims that Milei loves the US Government; Milei has aligned himself with the West as a way to distance himself from Russia and China
- Hoppe claims that Milei increased military spending and salaries; since Milei is in an alliance with the centre-right, he had to make some concessions with them in regards to the military
Reading all your "answers" that's exactly why this guy has a book called "DEMOCRACY, the god that failed". And you're trying to make excuses for this bankrupt system.
And the taxes he created?
Creo que hablas desde la ignoranca ,sabias que JAVIER MILEI instauro un subsidio que persistira hasta el fin de argentina como pais ,el famoso subsidio K a un grupo de corporativos
Sabes que sus fanativos se hacen llamar liberales o libertarios pero solo se quedan en el eslogan de "anti izquierda" mas le RUEGAN a los politicos que hagan algo y milei a incentivafo la creencia estatal de estos mismos
-si! Milei no tiene mayoria
Pero eso justifica que su partido esten la clasica casta politica que han robado por años y que milei los haga pasar por libertarios?
Inveatiga los mienbros de "la libertad avanza!"
Acaso crees que milei esta salvando la economia? La verdad es que si de a poco pero adivina que ?
Este no aplicado absolutamente nada referido a ecnomia austriaca ,de hecho sigue regulando la economia
Es mas ,recientemente dijo que su intencion era fortificar el peso argentino, son unos ilusos aquellos que creyeron que de verdad iba a aniquilar el banco central
Y asi podemos seguir ,desde que es un ignorante en filosofia liberal hasta un vil sionista
Aqui el tema esta en que no conocen absolutamente nada quien es JAVIER MILEI y solo se han guiado por lo superficial
Solo es un neoconservador corporativo ,el cual a ensuciafo la palabra libertario
@@Tribes11 Pointing out the limitations of someone stuck operating within a system is not the same as making excuses for that system.
This makes a lot of sense thank you. Lets hope that Milei can get a majority senate in the midterms. Hoppe may have jumped the gun too soon on this one.
20:15 wow🔥
Lol. Hoppe always right... millei sends all gold to london. Stephan kinsella makes fun of people who dont want free fizer medicine❤❤❤
11:50 Why Milei shipped out the gold out the country ?
The spanish economist Juan Ramon Rallo explain to us ruclips.net/video/DpNdR02Wi5o/видео.html
Oje, juhu!, mein großer Führer! (geistiger natürlich) ... ;-) Ich könnt' ihm stundenlang zuhören!
El profesor Hoppe analiza las medidas sin tener conocer los contextos, lo que hace que sea un mal analisis. Si Milei hubiera aplicado todo lo que dice el profesor Hoppe el primer dia, lo hubieran echado del gobierno luego de dejar una hiperinflacion y mas de un 90% de pobres.
Tu comentario es una falacia contrafáctica
@@ElAnarcoCardenal ¿Podrías elaborar el porqué, por favor?
@@ElAnarcoCardenalClaro ejemplo de no saber aplicar la ideología en la realidad
@@JackDaniels-ee1fo Ideology comes from reality when valid. It not, it is conjecture based on fallacious concepts. The world is dying from flawed ideology forced on all.
Hoppe doesn't quite get that Milei wasn't elected dictator but president.
He signed into law taxes he advocated for lmao
They're the same, just a different kind of dictator.
Name a dictator that wasn't "legally" elected?
@@tomatobrush3283 Pinochet, Gaddafi, Idi Amin, Franco...
Mhhh... creo que no conoces absolutamente en nada al neocon de milei ,fiel siervo de la WEF
Hope Hermann Hoppe gives his view on demographic decline
The fact that professor Hoppe start his talk saying that "There is nothing impressive about Milei speech" and also that he has "made thousands of better speeches than Milei" denotes some serious envy and bad understanding of what politics is all about. Terrible and wrong that professor Hoppe allow his emotions to speak for him. You can criticize but with logical arguments.
Right, Hoppe is basically anti-state, anti-democracy, anti-politics in the sense that he finds all of it not only useless, but to be harmful to society. So if someone tries to make changes via the democratic process it is immediately clear that this person will not be able to satisfy all the demands and expectations Hoppe has regarding a Libertarian. It does not matter if that politician is a Milei or a Ron Paul or anybody else. That person acts within the democratic game with its rules. There is no anarchy within non-anarchy. Within non-anarchy there are defined felonies and disappointsments from the perspective of an anarchist.
Also Hoppe should keep in mind that a certain way might work for the US or Turkey, but not necessarily for Argentina. At least he admits at the beginning of his speach that he does not really know much about Argentina.
Hoppe is an economist first and far from a politician.
Milei is a mix of both, knowing that economics comes first and navigate the politics.
@@Slugma-kx7pv REALLY??? Didn't you get that backwards? Milei is proving to be a great con man, the typical politician whose promises are insincere
@@1voluntaryist I think 1voluntaryist is also jealous like HHH 😂
amazing!
Milei promoted himself as a Libertarian, which makes it like a vegan that eats barbecue every day.
in that case he would eat the eat so you can access to more veggies haha
Guys, do you live in normal countries your common sense just doesn't work here.
211 anual inflation, 167 taxes, high regulations, Mercosur Is a cage, we literally do less commerce than before, not only foreign debt and national debt but also DEBT WITH IMPORTERS, 0 credibility, every freaking price regulated, no economic growth since 2011, but population did, a déficit of 15% and the last trimester they printed three times our monetary base.
Oh, I forgot that he is in minority with no governors, mayors, nothing.
You summed it up perfectly
Why doesn't Hoppe speak with Milei directly (with a translator) about these policies? I'm sure such a discussion would be constructive.
I'm sure Milei is a fraud.
It's always a pleasure and of intellectual gratification listening to Professor Hoppe speaking.
I agree with his comments on Javier Milei. I don't support the path he is taking on foreign affairs, though my knowledge is scarce on that area given my shortness of time studying this specific matter (Foreign Affairs). On domestic matters, he's promised too much as well. I'd regard him as a paleolibertarian or libertarian conservative, but he is far from being an anarchocapitalist, as Proffesor Hoppe said.
I think Proffesor Hoppe is missing an important variable on all of this: the political variable, which to me is not helping President Milei on his radical reforms. For instance, he can't abolish the Central Bank without sending a bill to the Argentine Parliament.
I agree with Professor Hoppe on why people voted for him and that he has lots of contradictions in his thoughts, but he is missing the political restrictions that Milei underestimated during his presidential campaign in 2023.
Kind regards from Argentina!
In all countries there is the way citizens believe their govt. works, and the actual means using deadly threats, fraud. It's worldwide fraud. People ignore the fraud because they suffer from "The Most Dangerous Superstition" by Larken Rose. We can't keep up the "willful blindness", supporting our parasites. It's killing us. We must rebel, self-govern.
Completely disagree with Hoppe. Socialists loves libertarians political inactivity. Milei applied the rothbardian populist strategy.
What good is rhetoric if it isn't backed up with immediate strong economics when it succeeds?
Straight fire Hans 💯
Milei is still better than the old regime, and is a step in the right direction.
"Ancien régime" is the correct term here!
Milei is all talk, and "politics as usual". But anarchocapitalism will get the blame. Why? More lies, more propaganda keep the citizens supporting their rulers.
@@BEP693interesting that HHH believes that the ancien regime was better than our now social-democratic world order!
Friendly reminder that Hans-Hermann Hoppe is almost always right (including his take on Milei):
"What is true, just, and beautiful is not determined by popular vote. The masses everywhere are ignorant, short-sighted, motivated by envy, and easy to fool. Democratic politicians must appeal to these masses in order to be elected. Whoever is the best demagogue will win. Almost by necessity, then, democracy will lead to the perversion of truth, justice and beauty."
~ Hans-Hermann Hoppe
You can tell by the comments under this video that Hans is spot on.
The difference between Hoppe and the majority of people in the comments is that he is a very principled man, just like his dear friend and mentor Rothbard was.
I wrote this one another thread in the comments of this video:
"you are aware that HHH also believes in a Libertarian social order in which anyone who doesn't agree with his conservative ideas will be excluded. In his words:
"in a covenant founded for the purpose of protecting family and kin, there can be no tolerance toward those habitually promoting lifestyles incompatible with this goal. They - the advocates of alternative, non-family and kin-centered lifestyles such as, for instance, individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism - will have to be physically removed from society, too, if one is to maintain a libertarian order... Libertarians must distinguish themselves from others by practicing (as well as advocating) the most extreme form of intolerance and discrimination against egalitarians, democrats, socialists, communists, multiculturalists, environmentalists, ill manners, misconduct, incompetence, rudeness, vulgarity, and obscenity".
Since when does incompetence, vulgarity, I'll manners, or homosexuality violate the NAP?
in time Libertarians will slowly discover that HHH is no hero of ours but quite the opposite!"
Further to that I would suggest you read some of HHH books. You might, indeed rapidly, change your mind about him and realise he is just another conservative ethnonationalist with some Libertarian insights.
This guy is getting his news from a very lousy source. A lot of homework needed to be done in understanding the actual conditions Milei received the country. No mention of the Leliqs, no mention of the Basis law, no mention of the strategy to dollarize after the currency controls are removed nor the ridiculously fast inflation reduction. Please do your homework properly. There are no quick solutions in a country under those conditions
Hoppe has always been receiving knowledge about world from Kremlin
@@radiozelaza LMFAO
With Milei, there are zero solutions under any conditions. He is a fraud!
The problem with HHH and other great theorists of his kind is that anything short of anarchocapitalist utopia is unacceptable to them, but since going from point A (where we are now) to B (ancap utopia) necessarily involves passing through all intermediate points, they close the only path to the utopia they predicate. Of course not everyone who voted Milei understood the austrian economic theory, but they understand more than they did before and if the left's grip on education is weakened (using the power of the state if necessary, because it's about winning, not being purists), in 5 to 10 years much of it will be common sense.
Have you actually watched the full video? Or you think that getting closer to ancap society (why calling that utopia?) requieres praising criminals like Zelensky, Trump, Netanyahu, admiring criminal organisations writ large like United states, Israel state and giving more power to army so it can also deal with internal affairs?
@@jadim8668 I agree with you with the fact that aligning yourself with Israel and the US does not enter the manual of the good anarcho-capitalist but wake up, this is the real world, you need some political pragmatism if you occupy a position like Milei's, I don't know if you know this but Argentina received terrorist attacks from Iran in the 90s, that could justify an alignment with Israel, for example. In addition to the fact that everything has been show and words, it did not cost Argentine citizens a single peso.
To criticize Milei for his statements and sympathy for Trump is to ignore the cultural battle and "the new right", Trump may not be a Libertarian but he has given an important fight against the Left and contributed to at least more peace in the world.
An intellectual of Hoppe's level should be better informed before giving such categorical opinions, it is not very serious and more is expected of someone like him.
@@jadim8668Results speak louder than words, and not a single libertarian you can name comes close to Milei in terms of action. He’s reduced the government by more than half, took away subsidies of all kinds, is actively privatizing state agencies, and is still bringing the libertarian message on world stages like WEF and the UN. Sure, praising the likes of Trump or Zelenskyy is a fair criticism, but to imply he is unprincipled despite his actions is nothing short of absurd. He’s done more to reduce the influence and size of the government than anyone could’ve even deemed possible and is setting the example for the rest of the world. What has Hoppe done in comparison?
@@JackDaniels-ee1fo Hoppe has done the political/economic research to give Milei a roadmap. The WEF/UN is the enemy, not someone to partner with.
@@JackDaniels-ee1fo Rothbard, Mises, Menger, Bawerk, Block, Molinari, Herbert Spencer, Hoppe... and those are just bunch of people that came to my mind immediately. Do you think that writing books, coming up with new theories or improving old ones, teaching on universities, giving speaches (a lot of them better than Milei's) and so on is not an action? You sound like some statist who thinks that if you are not involved in politics, you do nothing. There probably wouldn’t be any Milei as we know him without people like Rothbard, Mises, Menger, Hoppe, etc. People, who deserve to be marked as 'heroes'.
Thanks, Hans.
Hoppe's stance is "Milei hasn't done enough." The division here is by glass half full or glass half empty. You be the judge.
LISTEN TO HOPPE! He explained what needed to be done and how. Milei put a few drops in the glass, NOT enough to make a difference.
@@1voluntaryist you don't know that much about what is Argentina and what's going on, do you?
@@riosmauricio1voluntaryist is a sectarian troll !
Would you consider going to Argentina and may be speaking with him?
milei it's a facist, if you say something that he dont like, he let you out and call yourself communist. he have not one single friend left.
What is the libertarian answer to aggressive foreign governments like russia or china? how can liberty be protected against these kind of agressions especially for a small country if not in alliance with other countries?
Peace!!! Always, the answer is peace and neutrality!! If they are adjacent to your country, then you ally with others but also pursue peaceful discussions. If they are not adjacent to you, then peace and neutrality is the answer. Always trade and defend your domestic interests through tough negotiations.
What's wrong with China and Russia ? Should Argentina be a complete slave to the empire?
@@anonosaurus4517 You're raising a crucial and often debated dilemma about the balance between the pursuit of peace and resistance to aggression. Peace is a noble goal, but the question is, at what cost, and what kind of peace are we striving for?
Passive neutrality in the face of aggression often leads to the aggressor feeling emboldened to continue expanding. If a country under attack receives no support, and its neighbors remain neutral, this effectively allows the aggressor to proceed unchecked. This might appear as a form of peace in the short term, as there is no direct confrontation, but it's a peace built on injustice and oppression. As I pointed out, this isn’t true freedom-it's tyranny.
When it comes to defending freedom, sovereignty, and self-determination, a stance of pure "neutrality" or "non-intervention" can, in practice, help the aggressor achieve their goals. Such a "peace" would only serve a totalitarian regime or dictatorship imposing its will on others. You're referring to an aggressor trying to impose their "Soviet system" or some other form of totalitarian control. In such a scenario, resisting aggression isn’t rejecting peace, but defending a just and free society.
The question of how to deal with aggression is a moral and political balancing act. Peace based on submission is not true peace-it's enforced quiet under the rule of a tyrant. Genuine peace must be rooted in justice, freedom, and respect for the sovereignty of nations and individuals. In that sense, resisting an aggressor who violates these principles is often necessary to secure a lasting and just peace.
This conflict between avoiding violence and the need to stand against oppression is exactly what forces nations and individuals into difficult choices.
@dividendenkontor What country has China aggressed against. And as for Russia, they reacted to a coup instigated by Nato and the US and to save the Russian people in areas of Ukraine that really belonged to Russia. Putin offered peace talk even after he had been betrayed by France, England and Germany. By far the biggest aggressor of all is the US. It even turned against its own people in the civil war.
@@ukerry1458 It doesn't matter who did what - all these empires use propaganda, coercion and war. If it helps you to immerse in this thought experiment imagine usa is the agressor and you are neutral while your neigbors are conquered and reigned by usa. How does neutrality help?
Not surprising. Hans said everything I think. I guess I learned well what it means to be Libertarian. Milei will now probably insult Hans. Milei seems to be a Classic Liberal. He also said many times that he is not ancap, that he is a minarchist, and he says most of the time that he defends Liberalism. Clearly he lies and does what politicians do, and he is a very smart liar. What worries me most as Argentinian is the NATO and pro Israel thing. One interesting thing is he is in a fight against media, even stronger than Trump's one, and also against the establishment, he softened a little bit and now is going strong again. I think we can use part of this, and the job will be to take it beyond, and say that the program failed because "wasn't libertarian enough". He will fall, when he does, we need to make good use of what is left and completely destroy him while saving Libertarianism. We have to play smart. I know, probably we are fucked up as humans, but I take it kid of like a game, what else on top of promoting the right ideas can we do?
Anyway. I admire Hans for his courage, his strength and saying things as it is without sugar coating. Even Huerta de Soto or Miguel Anxo Bastos which are the 2 most famous Spanish ancaps, went too soft now. Bastos is amazing, looks like a Hoppean version of Kuehnelt Leddihn, a walking library man, but sadly he turned out too soft in the last 4 years. The last 2 years only Hans had said the truths about the lockdowns, wars and what not.
It is my wish that some day I can meet Hans.
israel 4eva
Amigo!
Aqui en el cono sur se entiende la palabra "libertario" como neoconservador ,claro esta errado pero esa es la mentira que milei y compañia han hecho creer
Lo cierto es que no es minarquista ,seria muy parecido a milton friedman realmente pero mas conservador (hasta esta en contra de las drogas y por ende cree que el estado hace bien en restringirlas)
Lo cierto es que en el cono sur ,hay poquisimos libertarios y varios de ellos son capaces de llamarte comunista si llegaras a criticar al mesias milei
Lo curioso es que hoppe dio buenos argumentos pero adivinen que?
Aun falta un monton de pruebas sobre el zangano de milei ,negocios realmente turbios !
Si fuera poco ,milei sera economista pero un ignorante de la filosofia de la comunidad .Peor aun ,es fiel seguidor de la escuela de chcago ,ni austriaco es .
Brazilian here. I hope everything goes well in Argentina. At least Milei is going to the other direction, than the Kirschner.
Siendo Argentino deberias saber que si Milei hubiera hecho la mitad de lo que dijo Hope, ya no estaria en la Casa Rosada.
Abolir todos los subsidios de golpe ?
Cerrar el Banco Central y dejar que se ajuste el tipo de cambio ? A cuanto crees que se hiria el peso ? 10 000 ? 20 000 ?
I don't think Milei lies. I believe he is being pragmatic (a word many libertarians hate). He is not an emperor. He has almost no force in the parliament, and no force in the provinces.
He cut spending on the federal level, but provinces are not cooperating; they forced Milei to reinstate the earnings tax in order to avoid deficit. The parliament is also trying to increase spending, forcing the presidential veto of several laws..
For such a weak force to have done all that Milei has done in 9 months is truly a kind of miracle.
FFS just remember the state of the country the day Milei took office:
-Massa left after PRINTING the equivalent of 13% of GDP in his last year. (hyperinflation incoming)
-Central bank reserves in the negative
-Imports STOPPED completely
-all prices of the economy controlled
-energy and transportation prices far away from free market levels
-foreign exchange control so ridiculously low, that monthly average salaries amounted to ~300 usd (lowest in latam)
-43% poverty rate and a recession on the last semester of 2023
-Central bank debt to every bank in the country, on 1 day instruments
-monthly inflation of 25% in dec/23
HHH seems to indicate here that Milei just had to stop printing money and close the central bank.. that argentines already own dollars and that the peso would fall on its own.
That is to say, let the peso hyperinflate, because its real value is ZERO. which is true. But the political consecuences of THAT would have meant the end for Milei, and the restart of the left wing populist cycle.
Milei is taking the pragmatic way to reach his ultimate goal:
he will decrease spending as much as he can
he will increase taxes as much as he needs
he will have fiscal surpluses
he will destroy inflation
he will pay the debt of the central bank (now in the form of bonds from the treasury)
he will get to an open economy without FX controls
he will close the central bank
all in that order
in the meantime, he will reduce regulations and he will eliminate bureaucracy.
13:00 YES, currency controls are absolutely terrible, but would people believe that he's currently on route of abolishing them? For starters, he just recently privatized the Argentina's state mint via an auction process (in which the state as the previous provider for this service was excluded from). Given these facts: I'm positive he will achieve that!
HHH lives in a islamofascist country. Milei has been given the Hayek prize. Hayek was not a libertarian - he admired Saint John Rawls. Theory is easy, making policy for a country is another matter. Milei is the first libertarian head of state. Lets' cut him some slack before we compare Barack Hussein to Milei.
HHH is also a Nazi apologist.
You are statist. Which is why you think "making policy" is what works.
@@vephar7064Milei has turned the country in less than a year into something that is not a socialistic shithole.
@@vephar7064 funny man: I have published on anarcho-capitalism and HHH's ideas very interesting. But Mises called the field praxeology for a reason. So, I am not a statist, not even a minarchist, but just Milei like the idea of anarcho-capitalism (although it obvious has no answers to the community-question), but I recognise the practical limits.
@@donaldist7321 Fair enough. But do you also openly call yourself "ancap" for shock value and to appear "eccentric"? Do you dress up as "captain ancap"?
I have great respect for Hoppe but he sounds jealous about Milei. Of course he can criticize everything he wants from his turkish ivory throne. Still, everyone should be skeptical about polititians but his assessment is completly ignorant about polítics in Argentina or everywhere. His crítics are unrealistic and even childish and missinformed.
" Hoppe's critics are unrealistic and even childish and misinformed. " 100% agreed.
That's right. I mean he even said he doesn't know almost anything about Argentina. He even said "Argentinians didn't understand Milei's plan". Like nobody in Argentina is capable of understanding libertarianism. Hoppe is wrong here.
The difference between Hoppe an Milei looks like the difference between a man of words and a man of action. I think of all political movements libertarians in particular should really value those of them who at least try to implement the movement in the real practical world
That is the difference, Hoppe should know, yet he seems trapped in a self conglaturatory cycle. Living as a tenured professor does take its toll.
And maybe read Milei's books? Go to Argentina and talk to him (in private if you cannot hold back your criticism)
He's got some points but he's living in a perfect utopia while milei is more realist/pragmatic. (because else he wouldn't last long) Even though clown Trump is more pragmatic than clown Hoppe. Milei is not a dictator so he has to prioritize some things over others.
If Hoppe would rule a country his country would be under Russian rule and his people would suffer even more, so much for "choosing peace over war".
The sociological laws of power and its incentives make a libertarian program impossible within state institutions. Every politician who sells you the libertarian discourse is a liar. What can be done within the system is very little, and to a certain point you either become corrupted or stay in the lowest spheres where almost nothing can be achieved. The utopian thing is to believe that a politician brings you the solution to all your problems. And the realistic and true thing is to achieve social delegitimization through pure disclosure. As Professor Murray Rothbard said, "Independent intellectual criticism is the greatest danger to the state."
Oh WOW no one ever called anarchocapitalism an Utopia before, you're the first one! It had never been answered about this! You're a genius!
nonsense.
@@Tribes11 You're too kind!🥰☺
HHH is not a utopian. That’s just slander. He’s simply the consistent decentralist.
This is very much in line with what economist Sean Foo has said on his RUclips channel.
Fabulous speech
I don't know why they still have confidence in him, far from being an anarcho-capitalist, Milei has proven to be just another classic conservative Barbie with a more aggressive discourse. For the moment he has only lowered taxes for millionaires, and charged the fiscal cost of their adjustment to the rest of society.
Far from the liberal philosophy, he has proven to be extremely violent with anyone who does not think like him on a political, economic, cultural, etc. level. Not to mention that as Professor Hoppe mentions, he has stupidly and unnecessarily aligned himself with NATO.
I believe that the long term damage to his figure will do more harm than good press to liberal ideas.
If Millei, or anyone in any country, announces a return to the gold standard or unregulated (free) banking, that country would become a target of the U.S. Empire. A small country would be attacked violently, quickly. Milei sending Argentina's gold out as collateral for more govt. spending is economically unsound. This is a fundamental mistake that is unforgivable. Milei has exposed his true politics. But when Argentina collapse, it is anarcho-capitalism that will get the blame.
What is Milei's position on The Jewish State? Is it hopefully fully favorable? Is he shoulder to shoulder with Netanyahu? One can only hope...
I do respect you professor but I think you are wrongly informed in regards of many of Milei's actions. Of course, I see your intentions are good but ruling a country is by no means the same as doing theory and our country has many practical intricacies which prevent doing more changes and faster. Also consider his very lower percentage of congressmen and senators.
I´m just getting to know Hope, bad way I guess, he is talking like J Milei has been in power for the last 123 years!!
I'm not a cheerleader of Milei & I'm not a doomsayer either. He's obviously chosen the minarchist path of reaching a free & prosperous society, which historically doesn't have the best track record of achieving it. The most likely outcome of his presidency: a few years of an outstanding amount of freedom & prosperity &, granted, no main stream politician or economist being able to ignore his success for the next generation again, but finally spoiled by whoever crooks will follow him, as I bet there's not a chance in this universe for the people once they had a little bit if freedom to regress back into the state of dependency due to sweet propaganda - men seems doomed to repeat mistakes & learn nothing from history.
MIlei or the peronism ? make your choice ?
🚨 ATTENTION 🚨
⚠️ Butthurt in the comments
you are clearly judging policies achievements in the beginning of Milei's government while there's an establishment to fight against without the proper democratic tools, this processes takes time
Milei is making fundamental mistakes. I "clearly" judge that! What are you judging?
@@1voluntaryistthat you are a sectarian. That is my judgement based of the definition that Rothbard gave us
I find this deeply unfair to Milei. I'd like to ask Hoppe: a libertarian despise war, but what's going to do if the war comes to him? And on the state level, I suppose you need an army to defend yourself. But wars today are not fought with slingshots, but with sophisticated armories. And what if you need to import them, because your country doesn't produce them? So we can say that not only war can come to your door regardless, but also that you need some sort of foreign policy: you just as a chief of state cannot ignore the whole thing and then be caught by reality when things happen.
Another question I would like to ask to the sacred priest of libertarianism (which undoubtedly Hoppe is): what a libertarian is supposed to do if, walking along the street, he sees another man about to be robbed and killed by a thug. And suppose that the man has a weapon on hand and can stop this terrible injustice that's happening. Is the libertarian supposed to do nothing and keep walking on his side of the street disinterested of the whole thing, because of his anti-aggression stance? Or is he supposed to stop the injustice? This is the question I would like to ask him. And now suppose that the man is the U.S.
I don't mean it's necessarily like that the situation every time, but conceptually it could well be.
Hernán Hope ENVIOUS, RESENTFUL, POPULIST.
This is an Argentinian libertarian speaking to you. Your criticisms of Milei are pure fallacies, completely out of touch with the reality of the country. Milei took office with less than 1/3 of the Chamber of Deputies and less than 1/4 of the Senate. It's not that easy to enact reforms in a republic with a separation of powers, especially with so little political power. However, Milei has indeed made reforms. Rarely in history have so many pro-market reforms been implemented in such a short time (9 months). So, I suggest you keep quiet and stay in your insignificant role as an impotent intellectual, and let heroes of liberty like Milei fight the battle for libertarian ideas. If you're watching from the outside, don't comment.
Best regards.
Where does he lives? It is like saying that he is bound not to receive money any longer because it is legal tender, created by a state, and tried to buy a air ticket in Argentina with a promise to pay writen on the back of a napkin., nobody would acept it.
Milei always said he was a libertarian, but not a "libertarado" (from the Spanish: something like "liber-deranged").
He clearly says his GOAL (theoretical) is clear, but there is a way (practical) to reach it, and a path to endure.
I guess HHH is making the classical mistake many object to libertarians: some utopian way of action, disconnected from reality and the real world.
Go Milei, at the end of the way we'll make the analysis of your achievements (and failures), not after 9 months in the vicious system you inherited!
I didn't like this intervention, it seemed to me arrogant and unfair. Not questioning (in any way!) all the merits of the great mind that made it.
hear hear
I expected More from him, i guess he only reads the Mises Wire.
Si Milei hubiera hecho la mitad de las cosas que dijo Hope, ya no estaria en la Casa Rosada.
@@someday4099 apoyo las críticas y que se le señale que tiene que ir en ese camino. Vilipendiarlo por no haber logrado todo eso en 9 meses es ignorante o mal intencionado.
Reality - it is a thing
lo van a hacer llorar
The purees are fine among us in academia, but in politics you have to agree with people of the worst, what is important is that they take a couple of ideas, I don't think Ancapia is going to be set up
Miguel Anxo Bastos about Milei libertarian trolls
Que avejentado que estás Diego Giacomini!
Un saludo al anarco foro de Twitter
Most of his criticisms are based on inexactitudes and misinterpretations and some of the information he quoted is just wrong
"I like it when you call me Big Hoppe."
hahaha good one. the notorious H. O. P. P. E
hoppe thinks milei currently is the dictator of argentina, lol
Ukrainian defense of its territory and people is not a senseless war, unless you're following one line of Kremlin argumentation.
"But as conditions are in our age, a free nation is continually threatened by the aggressive schemes of totalitarian autocracies. If it wants to preserve it freedom, it must be prepared to defend its independence.
If the government of a free country forces every citizen to cooperate fully in its designs to repel the aggressors and every able-bodied man to join the armed forces, it does not impose upon the individual a duty that would step beyond the tasks the praxeological law dictates.
In a world full of of unswerving aggressors and enslavers, integral unconditional pacifism is tantamount to unconditional surrender to the most ruthless oppressors.
He who wants to remain free, must fight unto death those who are intent upon depriving him of his freedom."
Ludwig von Mises, Human Action, p.282, 1949 Yale University Press, third revised edition Henry Regnery Company.
feels bad man
Ou seja, perto do Hoppe, a seção de comentários junto com Milei são um bando de socialistas.
Is this for real? No way he did such a poor analysis.
He sounds like "Kirchnerista".
All gas, no throttle with Milei, this is what I tried saying after he was elected that talk is cheap. Many such cases a disappointing outcome. He's like Trump in a way; preferable to their opposition, but not quite ideal for actually getting real work done (especially in the case of Donald Trump, as stated in the lecture a pompous protectionist).
He literally CAN'T get everything he wants done, no matter how hard he tries. I'm not sure if you know what a parliamentary democracy is but his party isn't in a majority, isn't the biggest party, isn't even the second biggest party in parliament. You're pretending like he has dictatorial powers that he won't use, when the reality is that he's using literally every power he can in order to deregulate the economy, but also to pay back the enormous debt of Argentina
You're right, I forgot he had the majority electoral vote, rather than the parliament majority. That's my fault, just disappointed he hasn't been able to get much done. I'm also unhappy on his foreign policy though, that I can gripe about. Unless he is trying to get chummy with the US and west (which I doubt will be reciprocated), it is kind of confusing why he's doing that and more neo-conservative than anything else. But I'll try to cut him some slack, the state of the world is all just very demoralizing and it makes me forget he's still a big win for us.
Milei declared himself a “philosophical anarcho-capitalist” and a “pragmatic minarchist”. This subtle distinction invalidates HHH’s presentation premise.
I think he’s getting old. He’s making the same kind of clumsy generalisations as Noam Chomsky did since the 1990s.
Milei declared himself libertarian ancap many times on vídeo bro, just don't...
@@ssdouglas Yes, with the caveat I highlighted. And if you’re in doubt you can read his books. El Camino del Libertario gives a good overview of his thought.
Based Hoppe, libertarians > liberals, cope Hayekians
The Prof
" Captain Ancap " what a clown
A clown that, hopefully, makes things better than before. And at least not a clown that would be forced to submit to a fascist state because he believes in "peace not war"
@@TheMkkr
Don’t bet on it. Anyone willing to support the Jewish state is morally compromised and highly susceptible to sublunary power.
@@TheMkkr but he submitted himself to a fascist state? Israel? hello?
His political party is literally the third biggest party in parliament, he doesn't have a majority, he wasn't elected dictator, his country is in enormous debt that he has to start paying back etc. It's alot easier for Pinochet to reform the economy than minority government Milei
Mr. Hoppe judged Milei in advance comparing it with what he think is right but not feeling the pressure and difficulties of ruling a mostly leftist country.
NO! Hans is judging Milei on what he failed to do AND what he succeeded in doing that was wrong!
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It doesn't matter; President Javier Milei has already received the most valuable endorsement from none other than Professor Jesús Huerta de Soto. The world is full of armchair libertarian activists, full of envy and resentment, who only attack people who are actually doing something.
From Chile, I send my full support to President Javier Milei and the hardworking people of Argentina, who are undertaking a profound change in their country. VLLC! LONG LIVE LIBERTY, CARAJO!!!🗽🗽🗽
Hoppe ranks higher than anyone living.
Hoppe is the living embodiement of Rothbard's thought and in some regards, even more brilliant.
De Soto does NOT compare to Hans-Hermann Hoppe. Neither does Bagus.
@@giannipudic305I reposted this to you earlier. but now again hahaha
you must be joking, HHH is no Rothbard
"you are aware that HHH also believes in a Libertarian social order in which anyone who doesn't agree with his conservative ideas will be excluded. In his words:
"in a covenant founded for the purpose of protecting family and kin, there can be no tolerance toward those habitually promoting lifestyles incompatible with this goal. They - the advocates of alternative, non-family and kin-centered lifestyles such as, for instance, individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism - will have to be physically removed from society, too, if one is to maintain a libertarian order... Libertarians must distinguish themselves from others by practicing (as well as advocating) the most extreme form of intolerance and discrimination against egalitarians, democrats, socialists, communists, multiculturalists, environmentalists, ill manners, misconduct, incompetence, rudeness, vulgarity, and obscenity".
Since when does incompetence, vulgarity, I'll manners, or homosexuality violate the NAP?
in time Libertarians will slowly discover that HHH is no hero of ours but quite the opposite!"
Lo que dice Hoppe sobre Argentina no es preciso, pero es mil veces más acertado que la propaganda del economista Rallo
Milei is Pinochet 2.0, quite not the ancap we thought he was
He still is, he just isn't a dictator that can pass any laws he wants, he made extremely ambitious deregulation laws and only after months did he get a watered down version of that bill through congress. I have no doubt that if he wins a majority in parliament in the 2025 midterms, and then reelection, you'll regret that comment
Should have elected Putin I guess.
In my view Hoppe is probing Milei far too gently. The guy gives speeches at the WEF, calls himself "ancap" and literally dresses up in a clown suit in order to appear eccentric. He looks like the personified attempt by the ruling class to dilute the meaning of "ancap" just like they did with libertarianism by promoting Hayek and Milton Friedman as free market "radicals". Not to mention that video of him crying and going on his knees in front of a group of Jewish leaders. Creepy as hell from the start.
I tried to reply to you in another section of the comments but it keeps getting deleted. I'll try here instead...
@vephar7064 Actually I have read them all.
Allow me to quote one of them for you as I did for some others in this comments section =
"you are aware that HHH also believes in a Libertarian social order in which anyone who doesn't agree with his conservative ideas will be excluded. In his words:
"in a covenant founded for the purpose of protecting family and kin, there can be no tolerance toward those habitually promoting lifestyles incompatible with this goal. They - the advocates of alternative, non-family and kin-centered lifestyles such as, for instance, individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism - will have to be physically removed from society, too, if one is to maintain a libertarian order... Libertarians must distinguish themselves from others by practicing (as well as advocating) the most extreme form of intolerance and discrimination against egalitarians, democrats, socialists, communists, multiculturalists, environmentalists, ill manners, misconduct, incompetence, rudeness, vulgarity, and obscenity"
Since when does incompetence, vulgarity, I'll manners, or homosexuality violate the NAP?"
So now let me ask you a question =
have you read or listened to HHH 1997 speech "What must be done"?
If not you need to and then you may understand why I agree with the above speculation that HHH is a little jealous of Milei (and indirectly Ron Paul). And to be sure, it has nothing to do with them both being democratically elected politicians ie members of 'the gang'!
I knew Hoppe would be upset Milei chooses civiilzation over barbarism
Milei dances with the most barbaric murderer of our time
Ave Lord Milei
Nobody invited you to give a speech to any elite groups, but unlike Millei, you were never elected chief of State anywhere, were you?
His speech was politely listened to, and then ignored, but so were most of the other speeches by the other attendees. Millei, sort of like like Trump in the USA, is (at his best) the lesser of two evils, sort of like Orban in Hungary or maybe Putin in Russia, but can never be too much more than that.
Let's give credit where credit is due, shall we?
There is MORE than 2 evils. There is the choice to boycott both evils, the whole damn political paradigm and self-govern in small groups, non-violently.
@@1voluntaryist Quite true, but that will take a while, won't it?
@@1voluntaryistSECTARIAN!!!
read a book ffs 😂