instead, why don’t you do something that would actually move the game forward? forget about all these golf teacher guys’ preferences. there has been 100+ years of this nonsense and each one thinks that they have it figured out. EITHER TERRY ROWLES IS WRONG OR EVERYONE ELSE IS. force the conversation
Like you, I've followed Martin from the beginning. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that he has found an understanding that is quite profound. However, despite really trying I am unable to in any meaningful way grasp what he means. I feel like I'm sitting watching a 3d movie in the cinema without the 3d glasses. I wish I could get those glasses. . .
@@timshumate3710I think this is a gamechanger.For those who don't want easy fix and really want a better golfswing.But if you happy with what you got..countinue with that
Wrong: circular motion is not one direction. It is CONTINOUS change of direction. Drive in a circle and tell me what direction you went-- always changing combinations of N-E-S-W. Wrong: motion not movement (ridiculous). I have watched multiple MA videos of him trying to explain this in the past. Words fail him. "Motion but not movement" makes no sense as those words are defined. You either go back and forth like putting or throwing a dart, or you make a loop with some radius that travels different paths. You can go east from KC to St Louis, stop, then go back west. Or you can make a continous circle driving to Iowa on the way and Arkansas on the way back in a huge circle (in to out)...or go to Arkansas on the way there and come back from Iowa (out to in). You can also make a figure 8 with continous motion (Jim F). Is a continuously moving loop better than a pause??? For $1m to get a tennis serve in you would just do back and forth jab. If you had to be 80mph anywhere on the court, you would make the full circle. I don't see value to bringing MA as he is very confusing...watch 1atomic golf with him-- and try Channel Lock swing while you are exploring the fringes (worked for irons, no way driver).
Because he’s slaughtering the English language for no good reason. I can’t stand crap like this.I think he’s saying a tight rotation is faster than swaying (not moving) and you lower body is rotating forward while the arms are still moving back (ONE DIRECTION AKA sequencing). There is no new magical pixie dust.
@@-ThunderNot it at all really. Martin doesn’t teach rotation. More of a swimming motion really. The body counters the club moving up an incline plane behind us by reaching down towards the direction of the ball. Think of reaching as far up the plane line with your trail arm as you can while reaching towards the ball with your lead arm. You’ll find that the lead shoulder, hip and knee end up reaching for the ball too. Now place the lead arm up with the trail arm like the top of back swing position without moving the rest of the body from reaching toward the ball. You’re likely in a pretty good “top of the backswing position” with everything. The body looks turned. Plenty of shoulder and hip rotation. But did you turn? Or did you reach in opposing directions with your body? Add a smidge of momentum from an actual swinging club and you reach a really fully “turned position” without that intent at all. Lots of internal pressures and ground forces too. The only time the lower body, everything below the shoulder girdle, moves in the other direction in opposition to the club as you suggest is the brief moment where it lowers and re-centers of sorts to get the club headed back down on its path toward the ball. And then you’re reaching the opposite way to counter the momentum of the club as it swings through and toward to target. It’s very much like swimming. Reaching behind with one arm while reaching towards with the other in concept. And it jives with the two hands moving in a circle as MA had Brendan doing. Martin is an esoteric thinker, but he’s got a really good concept for moving the club. And he teaches a motion and not a golf swing. It just takes a bit to wrap your head around it, because these notions are very much out of the realm of conventional instruction and preconceived ideas on movement. I screwed it up big time by resisting with my hips like it was an old X factor thing instead of figuring out I was really just supposed to reach the other way. Hope that helps.
to sum this up, the golf swing is a loop that builds momentum throughout. Rather than two separate efforts, no need to exert yourself when you can just flow up, around, and in.
Martin is a great dude and one of the most original thinkers in golf. He’s coming at things from a different perspective. It’s the GOLFER’s perspective NOT the perspective of a camera. That’s very important. You don’t play golf from where a camera sits. You play from where your eyes are. Also he’s not talking in p1 to p8 jargon or using a bunch of anatomical terms. It’s up down left right in out from YOU…where you ARE…
The cascading almost four-dimensional appearance of multi directional and seemingly random useful structures only serve as a “re-imagining” if you will, of first generation whimsical celebrations of logistical mobility applied to the golf swing. What Mr. Ayers clearly is proposing is that diametrically opposing transitional shifts when systematized strategically, can produce reciprocal alignment in simultaneous opposite directions while retaining compatibility of modular angularities. Furthermore, if you are willing to pay through various avenues, you can become a former golfer in short order.
Get liking folks, I need to see a video in person. This is wonderful. Been following Martin for many years but cant quite grasp the concept in practice. Get on that plane!!!
*Martin is my brother and forever mate in DOCF. His skill set goes beyond that of normal guys, with exceptional abilities in containment, momentum, and balance. My bed lies here, swinging in that sweet spot. JuNiOR eagerly looks forward to reuniting again after quite some time, since 2009.*
I think Elite Golf school touched on this exact same concept when they where talking to Milo. The concept of the club moving in a constant elliptical rotation driven by a body turn. I might be wrong, but I think they are on the same page here.
So glad you got to him. I watched all those videos he made with 1atomicgolf. I had no idea wtf he was talking about until I started to see Fred Couples' swing begin to emerge from what was being said and shown (and it's even more obvious in Lee Trevino's swing, though a bit more effortful). I think saying "there's no change in direction" is not the best way to put what he's getting at. I think it would be more apropos to say "there's no stopping in order to change directions". The pursuit of a 'single plane swing' requires a stopping of the action in order to go back down on the same plane. Both the 'over and under' and 'in and over' swings can easily be continuous motion swings. Looking forward to more.🙏🏻
Yeah, no stopping. The momentum builds and builds until it physically can’t be held in the zone trailing the body’s momentum, then it kicks through the zone. That’s my current understanding
@@BEBETTERGOLFYeah, there's a video called "new crazy ass golf swing with no backswing - Darren Mills" in which he basically goes forward and all the way around in order to hit the ball. It's a tremendous exaggeration of what I believe Ayers is talking about. It's also closer to the Couples/Trevino examples of the continuous motion swing. The 'in and over' swing (Daly, Jones, Stadler), though a non-stop swing, is a few more steps away, I think. Great stuff! Always appreciate your channel.
I could not have said it better myself. This is absolute nonsense. I am sure he is well intentioned. But someone should tell him that confusing golfers is not the way to attract attention to your theories
This is a great conversation to have for fittings. Why do some students need heavier shafts than others? Its because they react in different ways to different weights.
Brendon, As always the content is deep, you work with some of the best for sure and Martin is no exception, love how he has never met Lee but gives props for understanding the orbit pull effect in the vid you and Lee did on Martin's teachings....All the best Thx
@@BEBETTERGOLF For sure thats the case. I teach a lot of older golfers with limited mobility, the orbit path concept has proven a game changer and the results have been excellent to say the least. Martin's work has been a big influence the last few years............. so glad to see you work with him......Thanks again Brendon
This is absurd. Golf is complicated enough. Why would you take an already complicated game and speak in a way that makes it totally elusive. It is almost like he is trying to talk like Yoda. One of the more frustrating videos I have ever watched. I watched the entire thing in the hope that something lucid would be spoken.
What Martin doesn't say is that direction (or movement) totally depends on frame of reference. You can be talking about movement of the club head, shaft, arms or hands in relation to 1) any specific point, 2) your center of mass, 3) the base of your neck, the ball, the target line, the target, etc. He needs to define these things. Otherwise his discussion about direction and motion are ... clear as mud.
I have thought about this previously. When looking at my swing with one of the club head tracers, I noticed that my arc is the reverse direction of everyone on tour. Club head loops "over" rather than "under. The only pros that I could find that do it this way were Phil Mickelson and Ernie Els. Even faders like Morikawa loop it over, which is mind blowing.
It’s useful to understand that the club moves in a kind of a loop over the course of the entire swing, that it’s not just traveling in one direction in the backswing and reversing that in the downswing. Rope drills and continuous swings illustrate this concept and feeling very well. A nice insight, but this alone won’t create a great swing and he uselessly complicates or obfuscates the principle.
This is all about centrifugal force and feeling the cub head throughout the whole swing. Creating large amount of speed without unnecessary body movement. I was taught something similar to this from another Australian pro about 10 years ago. It definitely works. This is just a crazy complex way of explaining it. a similar reference would be shaun clement when he demonstrates moving very slightly up and down but the club is obviously firing through the ball. It feels like a sling and the club head flies through impact. I believe he is trying to get across that your not having to manipulate by moving excessively in two different directions or forcefully to get great club head speed. Reminds me of ben lexcen explaining the winged keel 😂
I’ve been working with a coach for the last 5 years that collaborates with Martin. His theories work very well for me but takes a while to fully understand.
I play off 2 as well and, although I can see what’s he getting at, the language isn’t clear enough for us to use. My coach will say things like “finish your turn before your hands get above your head”. I can work with that but I can’t find something useable here. For example, tell us how the body moves. Can you help?
I have seen many of Martin Ayers videos over the years, surprised he is still around, his ideas on golf never made sense 10 years ago at least he's consistent. That example of the amateur golfer early extending is nonsense, golfers early extend in order to square the clubface because of poor mechanics earlier on the swing. Some of the videos he did with Elk are eye opening because he teaches things he believes he does in the swing that are so far from what he actually does. I'm an Aussie and watched golf all my life and don't remember every seeing him in tournaments down here.
Interesting concept but I can see how opposing forces create power and balance the same time. And while opposing they are “rotational” in the same direction.
Your hands contain the club which is why your grip is so important. Then if you oscillate the hands correctly you get a one direction throw through the stationary golf ball. The best way to feel this is to start chipping balls in which you just oscillate your hands which directs the club head through ball. You can choose with direction but you got to stick to one. What direction is what most are asking right? Well, it’s quite simple if you think about it. One direction would be opening the face with both hands in your swing motion until it runs its full oscillating motion back into the golf ball. I play like DJ and Ernie els which close the face in one direction throughout their motion until they achieve impact. Forward press players are close face players that oscillate the entire club closed to open through impact and Hogan and Martin oscillate the entire club from open to close through impact.
I've had this on in the background for ten minutes and I'm obviously not paying enough attention because I haven't a clue what this bloke is talking about. Perhaps I need to watch it again from the start... or am I taking too many pain killers?
this is gold! turn around your spine!! dont try to turn shoulders or none of that crap, that will happen automatically. imagine you have a pulley at the ball and you will pull a string one way then pull the other string the other way. thats as simple at it gets.
Diametrically Opposed Circular Forces…This one is actually easy to understand. Martin just talks in circles (DOCF pun). Think of swinging a heavy weight about your head, like a hammer thrower, while attempting to stay in place flat footed. Your body has to move in opposition to the heavy weight in motion to counter it moving you. You must move against it, there’s the opposing circles MA was discussing at the end, to remain in place. Move in the same direction of the weight and there’s no way you’ll keep your spot. That’s moving without moving in a nutshell. But you can’t place the club around you in this method of swinging. You must give the club it’s head, energize it so to speak, and counter it’s movement while staying out of it’s way. The result is unconventional thoughts leading to a pretty conventional looking golf swing. There’s a whole other section on club face control when you’re flinging it about you with set up presets and intent to contain the club head while realizing the head is a weight sitting atop the club shaft. It wants to roll to either side courtesy of gravity and club design, so you must counter that as well. There’s some great images in Golf My Way where Nicklaus plants his left heel while the club is just reaching to top of his swing, Martin would hate that description, but it helps demonstrate the idea. You can see the energy and counter as the lower body opposes the momentum of the club and starts it heading toward the ball again. And then Jack releases the club as hard as he cares to while countering it with his lower body as Mike Malaska describes so well and BBG has documented. We know this instinctively as the step drill, stand with feet together and step towards the target as you complete the backswing, is ubiquitous in instruction, but poorly executed in application to a real swing. Too many want to keep driving forward with the body when they should already be countering the other way to really sling the club past you, and give yourself a corner to turn. And then let the club pull you out of the ground. Martin showed several clips of the left arm high on the way through. He used to call this aiming the blade high in his early videos. All that to say that his message has not changed. He’s just seeking better ways to communicate it.
@@SwingLowLeft Thank you for Posting you're thoughts. I am curious to know how long it took for you to understand these teachings. Did it gradually dawn on you over a period of time?, or was there a sudden aha moment where it all made sense.
When you play golf and take mushrooms, is when you swing the ball with out swinging the ball in one direction into no direction in one single motion with no direction. All about the intention of the body in no motion but with full force?
If you understand what he’s saying you’ll pure the golf ball every time. You’ll feel it if you let your arms go limp, but w a firm grip. Then simply turn your chest back then turn your chest towards the target and let the arms be dragged by the pivot.
All he would have you do is the baton drill and then hit shots and then do the baton drill again and hit shots. They really really want to be that much theory.
Yeah, I’m gonna have to agree. It reminded me of seeing an ad for a magic supplement. You keep reading and 10 pages later, you still haven’t found out what this supplement is. 😂😂
I could not agree more. I have posted about seven comments and responses here because I think this is the exact type of instruction that repels people from taking up the game. This is absolutely ridiculous. I’m left concluding that theories are presented in an elusive manner so you can go to his webpage and buy his product.I can’t believe I sat through this nonsense
If "philosophical" fluff determined how well you hit a golf ball, this guy would be the best player in the world. There wasn't an ounce of substance in that babble.
Brendan, lateral side-bend and how much you can perform lateral side-bend is a key factor in getting arms into the position Brooks or Cameron do. I could never achieve this to this extent, and when I tried, my lower back hurt. I am assuming I did not have lower back flexibility. I can't dance either, and I think there is a connection between that and golf and having fluidity in the swing. Some have it and some have it and some just don't in regard to that side-bend position.
This is typical of golf instruction....something way out there so we can justify doing something "different", when at the end of the day this isn't brain surgery. We stink at golf because it is still an athletic movement pattern and some people are not as athletic as they one were, or maybe never. Keep it simple silly! Lol! This dude is so spacey!
is it like what drew cooper says? How he's basically starting his downswing by the time he's at p2 -- p3? Like the change in direction is incredibly soon in the swing? While you're approaching p3, you're supposed to feel all this pressure and effort in starting the downswing that it's all like a rubber band and it just flings off? Is this what's being said here? So should this feeling just happen by address lol?
for Martin (like Jon Rahm) YES. for Colin and Homa they would do the same thing (club trailing force) but over a more protracted backswing. It is like the body is a BOAT and the MOTION of the BOAT creates a WAKE and the Club has to remain IN THAT WAKE until it is absolutely kicked out of it.
It may not be articulated in the most straightforward way but the basic principle is easy to understand. Idk why everyone is so confused. It seems very obvious the golf swing isn’t an everything back then everything through motion but rather 1 continuous motion. Like swinging rhythmically back & forth, the club travels in a figure 8 pattern, some more narrow than others, some (over the top) are in the opposite direction, etc. the swing is just 3/4 of that figure 8 because it’s starting at the intersection (the ball). ♾️⛳️
This somehow makes sense. Sort of like the Universe's expansion produces a dark energy of attraction as vacuum energy that almost perfectly balances gravitational attraction but not quite!
No, I think he deliberately keeps it a little cryptic, simply because it's his source of income. I suspected this when he worked with Christo, the 'My Golf Evolution'/'Miracle Swing' Guy, years ago. Showed 2 lessons, no details at all. Can't blame martin though, why should he just give away all this knowledge?
Man. I get that over time it is not easy to find content to fill up with. But this was the worst load of almost religious bla bla i have seen in a long time and I fully expected that you would at least ask back in stead of caring for air/view time.
Another way to look at this is try your hardest to not hit the ball in the downswing. Leave the arms up rotate towards the target and try your hardest to not hit the ball. He hit it’s the latest hits it the greatest
Is Martin in Australia right now 🧐 More than 10 years ago he had some lessons in the US with Christo Garcia, since then I know his stuff. Always interesting but sometimes way to complicated. I would call it „continuous motion“ or „wheel motion“ 😅 The best picture of his explanations is Matthew Wolff… Bring him on - Einstein Golf ✌🏻 Stuff like this is impossible to see here in Germany
This is like watching an old Kung Fu movie. "Grasshopper, when you swing and miss the ball, who receive the most dishonor, you, the ball, or the golf instructor"? Of course I'm just joking. Looking forward to the explanation in the next video :)
Over the years the more iv'e seen tiger swings on the range, he gets so much lag and forward motion on his front side with his irons.. the club always has so much space behind him.
This probably won't be a very popular comment but saying things like "You need motion in the golf swing but you don't need to move'" has little instructional value. Can we describe how each part of our anatomy moves in a functional golf swing? We don't need to experience cognitive dissonance to learn how to become better golfers. Golf instruction is a lot like modern medicine. Nobody comes back for more if you fix them the first time. It's bad for business.
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If this Video Gets 1000 likes and shares I'll immediately fly Martin to California to do videos in person!
instead, why don’t you do something that would actually move the game forward? forget about all these golf teacher guys’ preferences. there has been 100+ years of this nonsense and each one thinks that they have it figured out. EITHER TERRY ROWLES IS WRONG OR EVERYONE ELSE IS. force the conversation
Like you, I've followed Martin from the beginning. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that he has found an understanding that is quite profound. However, despite really trying I am unable to in any meaningful way grasp what he means. I feel like I'm sitting watching a 3d movie in the cinema without the 3d glasses. I wish I could get those glasses. . .
@@timshumate3710I think this is a gamechanger.For those who don't want easy fix and really want a better golfswing.But if you happy with what you got..countinue with that
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you have “no doubt” that he has discovered something profound but you don’t know what it is . are you by any chance a scientologist?
@@garre71 ok. what is it?
When you get so far down the golf rabbit hole that you arrive at Einstein's Theory of Relativity 😂
Yep, I'm starting to understand particle physics now.
Wrong: circular motion is not one direction. It is CONTINOUS change of direction. Drive in a circle and tell me what direction you went-- always changing combinations of N-E-S-W.
Wrong: motion not movement (ridiculous).
I have watched multiple MA videos of him trying to explain this in the past. Words fail him. "Motion but not movement" makes no sense as those words are defined.
You either go back and forth like putting or throwing a dart, or you make a loop with some radius that travels different paths. You can go east from KC to St Louis, stop, then go back west. Or you can make a continous circle driving to Iowa on the way and Arkansas on the way back in a huge circle (in to out)...or go to Arkansas on the way there and come back from Iowa (out to in). You can also make a figure 8 with continous motion (Jim F).
Is a continuously moving loop better than a pause??? For $1m to get a tennis serve in you would just do back and forth jab. If you had to be 80mph anywhere on the court, you would make the full circle.
I don't see value to bringing MA as he is very confusing...watch 1atomic golf with him-- and try Channel Lock swing while you are exploring the fringes (worked for irons, no way driver).
WOW! I am a 2 hndcp, been playing competitively for over 60 years and after watching this video, I am TOTALLY CONFUSED!
It's nonsense, that's why.
Because he’s slaughtering the English language for no good reason. I can’t stand crap like this.I think he’s saying a tight rotation is faster than swaying (not moving) and you lower body is rotating forward while the arms are still moving back (ONE DIRECTION AKA sequencing). There is no new magical pixie dust.
@@-ThunderNot it at all really. Martin doesn’t teach rotation. More of a swimming motion really. The body counters the club moving up an incline plane behind us by reaching down towards the direction of the ball. Think of reaching as far up the plane line with your trail arm as you can while reaching towards the ball with your lead arm. You’ll find that the lead shoulder, hip and knee end up reaching for the ball too. Now place the lead arm up with the trail arm like the top of back swing position without moving the rest of the body from reaching toward the ball. You’re likely in a pretty good “top of the backswing position” with everything. The body looks turned. Plenty of shoulder and hip rotation. But did you turn? Or did you reach in opposing directions with your body? Add a smidge of momentum from an actual swinging club and you reach a really fully “turned position” without that intent at all. Lots of internal pressures and ground forces too.
The only time the lower body, everything below the shoulder girdle, moves in the other direction in opposition to the club as you suggest is the brief moment where it lowers and re-centers of sorts to get the club headed back down on its path toward the ball. And then you’re reaching the opposite way to counter the momentum of the club as it swings through and toward to target.
It’s very much like swimming. Reaching behind with one arm while reaching towards with the other in concept. And it jives with the two hands moving in a circle as MA had Brendan doing. Martin is an esoteric thinker, but he’s got a really good concept for moving the club. And he teaches a motion and not a golf swing. It just takes a bit to wrap your head around it, because these notions are very much out of the realm of conventional instruction and preconceived ideas on movement.
I screwed it up big time by resisting with my hips like it was an old X factor thing instead of figuring out I was really just supposed to reach the other way. Hope that helps.
@@SwingLowLeftno, that is nonsense too
@@jeffd5310 one man’s trash is another man’s treasure. Golf is a game of what works for you.
to sum this up, the golf swing is a loop that builds momentum throughout. Rather than two separate efforts, no need to exert yourself when you can just flow up, around, and in.
I agree with Mr. Ayers. My swing and golf shots have been going in the same / one direction for the past 3 years ---> Nowhere.
I ran across Martin Ayer’s videos about 2 years ago and has awesome insight. Would love to see more of him
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue.
Danny glover voice lol
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Have known Martin for years. Incredible human and instructor
Martin is a great dude and one of the most original thinkers in golf. He’s coming at things from a different perspective. It’s the GOLFER’s perspective NOT the perspective of a camera. That’s very important. You don’t play golf from where a camera sits. You play from where your eyes are. Also he’s not talking in p1 to p8 jargon or using a bunch of anatomical terms. It’s up down left right in out from YOU…where you ARE…
Well said
The cascading almost four-dimensional appearance of multi directional and seemingly random useful structures only serve as a “re-imagining” if you will, of first generation whimsical celebrations of logistical mobility applied to the golf swing. What Mr. Ayers clearly is proposing is that diametrically opposing transitional shifts when systematized strategically, can produce reciprocal alignment in simultaneous opposite directions while retaining compatibility of modular angularities. Furthermore, if you are willing to pay through various avenues, you can become a former golfer in short order.
Martin is the real deal. Got taught by him and he stayed with my family in California. Amazing guy
Get liking folks, I need to see a video in person. This is wonderful. Been following Martin for many years but cant quite grasp the concept in practice. Get on that plane!!!
When reading the comments, you aren’t the ONLY one that can’t quit grasp the concept!
*Martin is my brother and forever mate in DOCF. His skill set goes beyond that of normal guys, with exceptional abilities in containment, momentum, and balance. My bed lies here, swinging in that sweet spot. JuNiOR eagerly looks forward to reuniting again after quite some time, since 2009.*
He may be right. Unfortunately he’s unable to describe what he means.
Teaching involves clear communication.
Every few years since Steve Elkington had Martin at the Pasadena CA Rose Bowl course, he's had a swing 'epiphany" .
ok, I'm twelve minutes into this and I don't know if I have enough drugs left for the rest of it.
😂
Ditto...there's only so much mountain cabbage available
This is sooo complicated to understand in the way it’s being presented.
It all sounds philosophical
I think Elite Golf school touched on this exact same concept when they where talking to Milo. The concept of the club moving in a constant elliptical rotation driven by a body turn. I might be wrong, but I think they are on the same page here.
Chuck Quinton from @Rotaryswing also talks about the golf swing being in one direction. He teaches this via his AXIOM system
I went to clinic to see Martin in the Chicago area years ago...great guy and it helped me as a newer golfer.
Can you please add subtitles for those of us who only understand English?
So glad you got to him. I watched all those videos he made with 1atomicgolf. I had no idea wtf he was talking about until I started to see Fred Couples' swing begin to emerge from what was being said and shown (and it's even more obvious in Lee Trevino's swing, though a bit more effortful).
I think saying "there's no change in direction" is not the best way to put what he's getting at. I think it would be more apropos to say "there's no stopping in order to change directions". The pursuit of a 'single plane swing' requires a stopping of the action in order to go back down on the same plane. Both the 'over and under' and 'in and over' swings can easily be continuous motion swings.
Looking forward to more.🙏🏻
Yeah, no stopping. The momentum builds and builds until it physically can’t be held in the zone trailing the body’s momentum, then it kicks through the zone. That’s my current understanding
@@BEBETTERGOLFYeah, there's a video called "new crazy ass golf swing with no backswing - Darren Mills" in which he basically goes forward and all the way around in order to hit the ball. It's a tremendous exaggeration of what I believe Ayers is talking about. It's also closer to the Couples/Trevino examples of the continuous motion swing. The 'in and over' swing (Daly, Jones, Stadler), though a non-stop swing, is a few more steps away, I think.
Great stuff! Always appreciate your channel.
I’m a 6 hcp reasonably bright individual and I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about 😵💫
I could not have said it better myself. This is absolute nonsense. I am sure he is well intentioned. But someone should tell him that confusing golfers is not the way to attract attention to your theories
Those videos that show a tracer on where the club head has traveled and loops around at the top of backswing shows the swing in 1 fluid movement...
Well now you know why golf is such a hard game, because they analyze the hell out of it and confuse the hell out of everyone. 😂
Alright my brain is officially scrambled. Need more clarification on this.
It is coming
He is saying the swing is less like a swing in a play ground where it just goes back and forth and more like a race car drifting around a U turn
You'll never get it. Just google him.
The explanation and what he’s trying to say truly sucks the fact you leave this unfinished truly sucks
This is a great conversation to have for fittings. Why do some students need heavier shafts than others? Its because they react in different ways to different weights.
Brendon, As always the content is deep, you work with some of the best for sure and Martin is no exception, love how he has never met Lee but gives props for understanding the orbit pull effect in the vid you and Lee did on Martin's teachings....All the best Thx
Martin knows it isn’t easy for people to “get”
@@BEBETTERGOLF For sure thats the case. I teach a lot of older golfers with limited mobility, the orbit path concept has proven a game changer and the results have been excellent to say the least. Martin's work has been a big influence the last few years............. so glad to see you work with him......Thanks again Brendon
I liked the video before I watched it haha. Gotta love Mr. Ayers!
This is absurd. Golf is complicated enough. Why would you take an already complicated game and speak in a way that makes it totally elusive. It is almost like he is trying to talk like Yoda. One of the more frustrating videos I have ever watched. I watched the entire thing in the hope that something lucid would be spoken.
... clear as mud
What is not clear? Pay attentention
What Martin doesn't say is that direction (or movement) totally depends on frame of reference. You can be talking about movement of the club head, shaft, arms or hands in relation to 1) any specific point, 2) your center of mass, 3) the base of your neck, the ball, the target line, the target, etc. He needs to define these things. Otherwise his discussion about direction and motion are ... clear as mud.
I have thought about this previously. When looking at my swing with one of the club head tracers, I noticed that my arc is the reverse direction of everyone on tour. Club head loops "over" rather than "under. The only pros that I could find that do it this way were Phil Mickelson and Ernie Els. Even faders like Morikawa loop it over, which is mind blowing.
I had to check the date to confirm it wasn’t April 1st.
It’s useful to understand that the club moves in a kind of a loop over the course of the entire swing, that it’s not just traveling in one direction in the backswing and reversing that in the downswing. Rope drills and continuous swings illustrate this concept and feeling very well. A nice insight, but this alone won’t create a great swing and he uselessly complicates or obfuscates the principle.
What Martin feels is what Martin feels
This is all about centrifugal force and feeling the cub head throughout the whole swing. Creating large amount of speed without unnecessary body movement. I was taught something similar to this from another Australian pro about 10 years ago. It definitely works. This is just a crazy complex way of explaining it. a similar reference would be shaun clement when he demonstrates moving very slightly up and down but the club is obviously firing through the ball. It feels like a sling and the club head flies through impact. I believe he is trying to get across that your not having to manipulate by moving excessively in two different directions or forcefully to get great club head speed. Reminds me of ben lexcen explaining the winged keel 😂
I’ve been working with a coach for the last 5 years that collaborates with Martin. His theories work very well for me but takes a while to fully understand.
Thank you for posting this. MA is a genius. One direction is a real thing. Keep moving it one way and the universe will take it another.
So i saw this last week or so. Thought about it. Went to the driving range to train. Only thought of this, but once i applied it, insane
I play off 2 as well and, although I can see what’s he getting at, the language isn’t clear enough for us to use. My coach will say things like “finish your turn before your hands get above your head”. I can work with that but I can’t find something useable here. For example, tell us how the body moves. Can you help?
For Martin, I’ve been trying this but my angle of attack on irons shallows too much. Any advice to steepen back to -6ish?
Always enjoyed his videos w/Elk,Maves, and Terry on Secret in the Dirt..
I like it and makes sense to me, thank you.
I have seen many of Martin Ayers videos over the years, surprised he is still around, his ideas on golf never made sense 10 years ago at least he's consistent.
That example of the amateur golfer early extending is nonsense, golfers early extend in order to square the clubface because of poor mechanics earlier on the swing.
Some of the videos he did with Elk are eye opening because he teaches things he believes he does in the swing that are so far from what he actually does.
I'm an Aussie and watched golf all my life and don't remember every seeing him in tournaments down here.
That little nugget at the end just flipped on a few light bulbs. 💡 🤯
Interesting concept but I can see how opposing forces create power and balance the same time. And while opposing they are “rotational” in the same direction.
I translated it into Greek makes complete sense
And Scotty Sheffler just keeps things very simple
yup .. he's not doing any of this and keeps just winning ;)
Your hands contain the club which is why your grip is so important. Then if you oscillate the hands correctly you get a one direction throw through the stationary golf ball. The best way to feel this is to start chipping balls in which you just oscillate your hands which directs the club head through ball. You can choose with direction but you got to stick to one. What direction is what most are asking right? Well, it’s quite simple if you think about it. One direction would be opening the face with both hands in your swing motion until it runs its full oscillating motion back into the golf ball. I play like DJ and Ernie els which close the face in one direction throughout their motion until they achieve impact. Forward press players are close face players that oscillate the entire club closed to open through impact and Hogan and Martin oscillate the entire club from open to close through impact.
That is some of the most confusing shit I've ever heard. As if golf wasn't confusing enough
I've had this on in the background for ten minutes and I'm obviously not paying enough attention because I haven't a clue what this bloke is talking about. Perhaps I need to watch it again from the start... or am I taking too many pain killers?
this is gold! turn around your spine!! dont try to turn shoulders or none of that crap, that will happen automatically. imagine you have a pulley at the ball and you will pull a string one way then pull the other string the other way. thats as simple at it gets.
Levels to this sh*t
Diametrically Opposed Circular Forces…This one is actually easy to understand. Martin just talks in circles (DOCF pun). Think of swinging a heavy weight about your head, like a hammer thrower, while attempting to stay in place flat footed. Your body has to move in opposition to the heavy weight in motion to counter it moving you. You must move against it, there’s the opposing circles MA was discussing at the end, to remain in place. Move in the same direction of the weight and there’s no way you’ll keep your spot. That’s moving without moving in a nutshell. But you can’t place the club around you in this method of swinging. You must give the club it’s head, energize it so to speak, and counter it’s movement while staying out of it’s way. The result is unconventional thoughts leading to a pretty conventional looking golf swing. There’s a whole other section on club face control when you’re flinging it about you with set up presets and intent to contain the club head while realizing the head is a weight sitting atop the club shaft. It wants to roll to either side courtesy of gravity and club design, so you must counter that as well.
There’s some great images in Golf My Way where Nicklaus plants his left heel while the club is just reaching to top of his swing, Martin would hate that description, but it helps demonstrate the idea. You can see the energy and counter as the lower body opposes the momentum of the club and starts it heading toward the ball again. And then Jack releases the club as hard as he cares to while countering it with his lower body as Mike Malaska describes so well and BBG has documented. We know this instinctively as the step drill, stand with feet together and step towards the target as you complete the backswing, is ubiquitous in instruction, but poorly executed in application to a real swing. Too many want to keep driving forward with the body when they should already be countering the other way to really sling the club past you, and give yourself a corner to turn. And then let the club pull you out of the ground.
Martin showed several clips of the left arm high on the way through. He used to call this aiming the blade high in his early videos. All that to say that his message has not changed. He’s just seeking better ways to communicate it.
I think you just perfectly distilled what he was saying. Do you have instructional videos?
@@bigdumbanimal23 Kind of you to say. No, I just have a good idea of what he’s saying.
@@SwingLowLeft Thank you for Posting you're thoughts. I am curious to know how long it took for you to understand these teachings. Did it gradually dawn on you over a period of time?, or was there a sudden aha moment where it all made sense.
@@lovefridaysA little bit of both. The concept hasn’t changed. The messaging has to try and relate it.
All in around a second or so 😂
When you play golf and take mushrooms, is when you swing the ball with out swinging the ball in one direction into no direction in one single motion with no direction. All about the intention of the body in no motion but with full force?
Was there any information in this video?
It shouldnt be such a riddle, he should say it so we all understand, not sure i can sit through another 10 miniutes of that
HEY!!! you brought back the guy with the twirly bird magic right arm move spiral thingy! love it. do aj boner’s truth about golf next
This video really does have one direction....no direction
If you understand what he’s saying you’ll pure the golf ball every time.
You’ll feel it if you let your arms go limp, but w a firm grip. Then simply turn your chest back then turn your chest towards the target and let the arms be dragged by the pivot.
im 18 years clean an sober - i think someone just spiked my orange juice
Picture this - you go for your first ever golf lesson with this guy and hes throwing all this at you
now my head hurts more. lol.
All he would have you do is the baton drill and then hit shots and then do the baton drill again and hit shots. They really really want to be that much theory.
If you want to get better at golf run far, far away from this nonsense. Do better, Brandon.
Yeah, I’m gonna have to agree. It reminded me of seeing an ad for a magic supplement. You keep reading and 10 pages later, you still haven’t found out what this supplement is. 😂😂
No! This is one of the right ways to go.
I could not agree more. I have posted about seven comments and responses here because I think this is the exact type of instruction that repels people from taking up the game. This is absolutely ridiculous. I’m left concluding that theories are presented in an elusive manner so you can go to his webpage and buy his product.I can’t believe I sat through this nonsense
I saw Martin on you tube years ago, but his description to me is hard to understand, why not do a video on what he’s talking about?
Is it akin to travelling East to get to West and vice Versaraty?
If "philosophical" fluff determined how well you hit a golf ball, this guy would be the best player in the world. There wasn't an ounce of substance in that babble.
😂
Brendan, lateral side-bend and how much you can perform lateral side-bend is a key factor in getting arms into the position Brooks or Cameron do. I could never achieve this to this extent, and when I tried, my lower back hurt. I am assuming I did not have lower back flexibility. I can't dance either, and I think there is a connection between that and golf and having fluidity in the swing. Some have it and some have it and some just don't in regard to that side-bend position.
This is typical of golf instruction....something way out there so we can justify doing something "different", when at the end of the day this isn't brain surgery. We stink at golf because it is still an athletic movement pattern and some people are not as athletic as they one were, or maybe never. Keep it simple silly! Lol! This dude is so spacey!
I don't agree
is it like what drew cooper says? How he's basically starting his downswing by the time he's at p2 -- p3? Like the change in direction is incredibly soon in the swing? While you're approaching p3, you're supposed to feel all this pressure and effort in starting the downswing that it's all like a rubber band and it just flings off? Is this what's being said here? So should this feeling just happen by address lol?
for Martin (like Jon Rahm) YES. for Colin and Homa they would do the same thing (club trailing force) but over a more protracted backswing. It is like the body is a BOAT and the MOTION of the BOAT creates a WAKE and the Club has to remain IN THAT WAKE until it is absolutely kicked out of it.
I get what you're saying here
it sounds like kind of swinging in a big continuous loop. i always thought i kinda saw it in fred couples swing.
If my ball hits a tree in the woods does it really make a sound ?
Mike Malaska has been on to this for years
It may not be articulated in the most straightforward way but the basic principle is easy to understand. Idk why everyone is so confused. It seems very obvious the golf swing isn’t an everything back then everything through motion but rather 1 continuous motion. Like swinging rhythmically back & forth, the club travels in a figure 8 pattern, some more narrow than others, some (over the top) are in the opposite direction, etc. the swing is just 3/4 of that figure 8 because it’s starting at the intersection (the ball). ♾️⛳️
i've never played tennis but that type of motion looks like what a tennis player does, not straight back and through swings the racket in a loop.
Sounds like the JuJu swing. Without the change in direction don’t we lose fascial loading?
Only if you want to.
Stretch starts and then is always building and building around the corner then u can’t hold it back and it slings through the ball.
Can you imagine if old Tom Morris could hear these inane ramblings ? 😄😄🤣
Full of sound and fury and signifying nothing.
This somehow makes sense. Sort of like the Universe's expansion produces a dark energy of attraction as vacuum energy that almost perfectly balances gravitational attraction but not quite!
Hi so if Martin figured out how to swing this way are we going to hear how he trained hes body to do this?
Lots of Australian beer training.
No, I think he deliberately keeps it a little cryptic, simply because it's his source of income.
I suspected this when he worked with Christo, the 'My Golf Evolution'/'Miracle Swing' Guy, years ago.
Showed 2 lessons, no details at all.
Can't blame martin though, why should he just give away all this knowledge?
Man. I get that over time it is not easy to find content to fill up with. But this was the worst load of almost religious bla bla i have seen in a long time and I fully expected that you would at least ask back in stead of caring for air/view time.
These 20 minutes literally flew by but I have no clue what to do with this info.
Stay tuned we will make it clear
It is NOT just philosophical
Like i said before. Go with Martin A, Lee Comeaux and Robert Johansson. Another level. Then you getting somewhere
I have now watched some available videos of this guy, he is a genius 100%. Get him out there🙏
Another way to look at this is try your hardest to not hit the ball in the downswing. Leave the arms up rotate towards the target and try your hardest to not hit the ball.
He hit it’s the latest hits it the greatest
If you’ve followed Martin since the Secret in the Dirt days with Steve Elkington, then you know what this is about
There is garbage and then there is whatever this is
Very similar / same idea as the "Kawa swing".
Definitely on to sonething here. Would love to see you do a lesson
This video gave me forest whitiker eye
😂
I think he needs to refine and simplify the way he explains this. It's a valid point. Needs a practical application lesson.
Is Martin in Australia right now 🧐
More than 10 years ago he had some lessons in the US with Christo Garcia, since then I know his stuff. Always interesting but sometimes way to complicated. I would call it „continuous motion“ or „wheel motion“ 😅 The best picture of his explanations is Matthew Wolff…
Bring him on - Einstein Golf ✌🏻
Stuff like this is impossible to see here in Germany
Friends don’t let friends teach golf drunk
Martin Ayers on bbg. I click like.
This is like watching an old Kung Fu movie. "Grasshopper, when you swing and miss the ball, who receive the most dishonor, you, the ball, or the golf instructor"? Of course I'm just joking. Looking forward to the explanation in the next video :)
Over the years the more iv'e seen tiger swings on the range, he gets so much lag and forward motion on his front side with his irons.. the club always has so much space behind him.
This probably won't be a very popular comment but saying things like "You need motion in the golf swing but you don't need to move'" has little instructional value. Can we describe how each part of our anatomy moves in a functional golf swing? We don't need to experience cognitive dissonance to learn how to become better golfers. Golf instruction is a lot like modern medicine. Nobody comes back for more if you fix them the first time. It's bad for business.
👆🏼This!
The Guy's trying to make a living out of what he's been studying and preparing for the last 15 years, and you want it all for free????
@@SaintKimbo I don't mind paying for golf instruction. Just spare me the nonsense.
5:25 Jim Furyk does the same
I don’t get it. Watched twice. Still don’t get it.
Golf instruction must be the worst profession in the world. Collectively they dont make people better. There must be a better way.
Loop??