650b gravel bike? Should you get one? (650b vs 700c)
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- Опубликовано: 29 мар 2018
- We are huge fans of the newly rediscovered 650b wheel size! But why? Does it make sense for you? We try to demystify 650b (aka 27.5) and why it has certain advantages over 700c as well touch on if you should convert your current bike to 650b.
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First video on this that helped me settle on my decision to get 650b on my first gravel bike. Thank you for the great work.
I'm excited for the review of the new bikes. Thanks, Russ!
Can't wait for the videos that are coming. I'm looking at those bicycles for a gravel bike. Thanks for all
Excellent video Russ. You hit the advantages right on the head. Looking fwd to the Salsa Journeyman video
650b isn't anything new, nor are some of the 'new ' gravel concepts. 650b as you state is an old cyclotourist size & triathletes used to race on 650b tri bikes back in the 90's. I grew up in the UK. In the early 80's I used to ride with a touring club. We used to roll on stripped down touring bikes. Canti brakes (No disc brakes then), lower ratios on the rear cassette & front 2x cogs & we used to use wider chunkier tread tyres than road race bikes. Every Sunday run included a bit of non asphalt road. So gravel is really the new retro.... Great videos. Keep up the good work
All your videos are great! Keep them coming!
Nice video and great information. This convinced me that my tried and true 26 inch wheels on one of my old bikes is worth keeping because I still have so many choices of tire sizes.
Recently took the plunge for a bike designed around 650b (OPEN U.P.) and I have to say it is a ton of fun. Up until now, I ran my Vaya with a 700x40c set up for gravel rides. It was fine, but the 650b wheels with some 47c tires, set up tubeless, at around 40psi are a game changer. Will also probably run some 2.1 tires for certain events this year. Supple, yet lively. This is the only bike I want to ride lately.
Have recently converted my gravel bike to 650x47 and 170mm cranks for the soft mud and sand on the winter gravel trails. Will convert back 700x38 and 175mm for spring summer. Loving it so far...
I really appreciate this video explanation! I'm 5' 5", have been riding a Bike Friday with 20" wheels as my primary bicycle for the past several years (best fit ever!). Am thinking about getting into a mountain/trail/touring bike with bigger wheels. 700c wheels have always felt a bit big for me in the past.
Really love your videos. I have found them super informative and fun. As someone who is seriously contemplating buying either the Surly Midnight Special or Salsa Journeyman (650b Sora version) I'm looking forward to your reviews of these bikes and how they compare against each other (I know there are some key differences....price being one). Thanks again for creating great content for us.
This is actually funny now 3 years later. I live my new 1x Midnight Special and see 650b everywhere! Great job, @pathlesspedeled, even years later!
I’m going to build up a 650b wheelset, I think it makes sense and will allow more tire choices.
Finally got around to get a pair of 650b wheels for my Exploro this month. So far I find them a mixed bag, but I'm not surprised. On smooth roads they are no match for my 700c wheels, which are deep section wheels with 25 mm tires. The 650b wheels are nowhere near the top speed I get with the 700c wheels, and I find I have to work more to keep my speed up. On the other hand, they just fly on gravel and easy single track. Unfortunately I live in a big city so I have to look hard to find gravel nearby, so my "gravel rides" tend to be lots of riding on tarmac before I reach those gravel roads, and them a lot of tarmac to get back home, so my gut feeling is that I'll mostly be on the 700c wheels, except when I'm on holiday.
Good recap on 650B. Looking forward to your reviews of the new bikes.
Just for hoots you might want to talk to Kirk Pacenti about the 27.5 designation. IIRC he was the first guy to use it when he introduced lugged 650B tires.
I’m so happy for short people. Now let’s get work on that 32er! 32x2.6 sounds right. Call it 850b if you want.
I remember 10 years ago 36ers was a thing for a very short period of time. They looked comically out of proportion to a normal sized human.
We'll call it 850a
The "a" stands for abomination.
Subscribed! Very informative content.
I tour 44 countries (47,000 km) on a Rodriguez 26” custom touring bike and all that time I believe that 26” wheels were the way to go . Now I’ve been touring on a CO-MOTION Siskiyou 650 (27.5) an boy was i wrong . 650b are a lot of fun , better at climbing, descending,off road, highway. Very happy with the bike . In two days i’m flying to the Philippines to bike around the islands. Cheers
Have a good trip!
Did you visit Ave Maldea while you were out there? I live IN America and yearn for a Ave Maldea frameset....(I'm half filipino)
Great video. I think you are missing another cool advantage of getting a gravel/allroad bike designed for 650b as well as 700c. You can fit 2+ inch wide 27.5" MTB tires on some of them, which gives you something like a ridgid dropbar XC bike (depending on the geometry of the bike). Quite nice if your ride includes a lot of singletrack.
Very well done, thanks for that explanation of the mystery.
Great video. I can’t wait to get the Salsa Journeyman (650b Sora). 😎🚴🏼♂️
I'm happy I still have my collection of 26" hartail mountainbikes from the 90's... ;-) They will soon be "hot" again, mark my words! ;-) (I still like those the most...)
I just bought a diamondback mountain bike from the late 90s, I'm currently stripping the paint and welding disk brake mounts
Great video, thanks!
Very informative. Thanks very much!
i subscribed, good channel without disturbing musics
I really enjoy your reviews. The new travel content is top notch.
But I'm wondering if you did a review of the WTB Horizons?
They are in the opening shots but I can't find it!
Also do you have a ranking system or top 5 650b tires?
I’m 5-6 and am loving 650B! Owned several 29er/700’s. Makes a difference on the knees turning the smaller hoop. I refuse to believe the “It’s all marketing” argument. More options are great! Especially for the short people. Translates to frame geo also.
What’s your thoughts about going with Terravail 650b Cannonball vs their Rutland for 70/30 (gravel / tarmac). Not sure how aggressive the Rutland would be for 30% tarmac.
Holding out for the resurgence of the 36er.
Didn't Greg Lemond say that if you are pedaling through the corner, you didn't enter it fast enough? Pedal strike (con) should be less of a concern than toe overlap (pro). Thanks for the video!
I'm all about that supple life!!!
just bought a Marin 4 corners 650b bike...tourer, gravel do it all bike...so happy they made a 650b version...being on the short side (5ft 7in) those wheels allow me to finaly get a bike that fits SO MUCH better. I have a small ElMariachi and with those 29ers I have no room on top of my rear rack to hardly put anything...I think Im going to sell that bike and find a 650b mountain bike next.
I bought a Salsa Journeyman 650B on opening day and I love it!
congrats!
Nice looking bike at a great price!
Thanks man, best bang for the buck IMO. I now have 500plus miles on it, and the saddle has been the only gripe.
Have you had it on single track? Climbing? What size tires do you have?
Yep, I ride singletrack with it. As for climbing. With steep grades it's not the fastest but it will get you to the top. I'm running stock tires.
Im planning on purchasing that Journeyman 650B but the 700c tire size appeals more to me since i plan on using it primarily to ride around town. Im thinking of perhaps changing out the rims and tires in order to convert it to the 700c tire size for more efficient riding on concrete roads. Any tips of advice?
when I first got the chance to try a demo Cannondale Slate bike, it has a 650b wheels, I really liked it and that made me thought of switching to 650b as well on my steel CX bike with 700x35c setup. But I think it is hard to find those 650b slick tires, the thought of having to import it holds me off from doing the conversion.
Yeah. I can see that becoming a problem. In the US here, WTB makes some more readily available 650b tires!
Nanonood ka pala dito Sir Ian!!!!! Haha
What kind of tubes could I use for the gorilla monsoon when I’m going to put the 650b tires on? Do I need special inner tubes for a 650bx 48mm tire?
How do 650b with those big WTB Horizos feel on the road? fast ?
is that brand available in south east asia, 650 tire seems new , ill begin to search on bike shop
Got a 2018 Breezer Doppler Team like the one you reviewed a few years ago - looks like they discontinued it and came out with Team+. Any idea what prompted the changes or how the two compare?
I have a 2018 Kona Rove LTD that came with 650b x 47 horizons. Cool tyre. One thing that doesn't get mentioned a lot with these tyres is the frontal area and aerodynamic drag. For me my ftp is about 290w, and I find when using the 47c tyre the bike cruises comfortably at 25km/hr. When I swap to a 700x32c on the same bike applying the same power, the bike will cruise at around 30km/hr.
Currently I ride this bike mostly on bitumen and sealed surfaces, the 700x32 @ 60psi is far more suitable and only marginally less supple. I think for me a 700x38 would be perfect, and would be on the bike 100% of the time but I just cant get the Barlow Pass tyres to hold air when setup tubeless.
wash the inside out with hot hot soap water and use a latex based sealant like orange seal pump them up some what hard over night and leave them on there sides. and it thats doesnt seal them then your doing something wrong ie rim tap broke or not enough of, value not tightened enough or the seal wasn't shaken be for being used. But some tiers just a little longer
Hi and thanks for video. I want to buy secondary 650b wheel set my for 700C endurance/gravel bike . Reason - I want a wider tires for a rough roads , basically go from 36-37 mm (which is maximum width of tires with relatively safe but minimal clearance in my bike's frame and carbon fork) to 42-43 mm (650b). Of course I am talking about actual (measured) width.
I am pretty tall person (187 cm, more than 6' i think) with a long legs. My bike had BB Drop = 70 and BB height = 280, cranks has length 175 (because of XXL frame size). What problems i can expect? Will the pedals to ground clearance at least acceptable for gravel/rough roads, simple forest trails (I am not talking about highly technical XC routes here!). Also bike has road chainset 50/34. Do i need to swap a biggest chain ring to a something smaller?
p.s. The bike will be still used for pavement rides and commuting with 700c setup (28 to 32 mm).
My new Jack of all trades will get 29 x 2.0 (622-50). As tires I will take Continental RaceKing. Perfect for tarmac, gravel, loam etc.
Great video as always. Question: When you suggest 650B being good for shorter riders, what height are you thinking of?
5’9 and below.
Hmmm......looks like I now need a gravel bike, 650b gravel bike/ bike packing bike, wide tyre mountain bike, and an electric assist bike!! (both over 65). These along with the Van Nick, Raliegh 1990 dyna tech, fixed wheel track bike and of course our Bromptons!! going to need a bigger shed!!. But that's the love of cycling!!
The good thing is that 27.5 has good penetration right now, so it's not too hard to find a bike at an affordable price.
I have a Huffy Parkside (under $200 new) that came with 27.5x1.75, which rode well if you don't mind having to special order tubes and tires.
But I replaced the tires with Schwalbe 27.5x1.4 (26x1-3/8) that brought it as much to life as a Huffy will do, and dampened a lot of road chatter. And I can get emergency tubes off the shelf at Walmart.
I've become quite addicted to 650B.
It wouldn't surprise me to see the bike industry go to a larger diameter wheel for gravel bikes in the future, like they've done with mountain bikes. I have an '86 Univega Nuovo Sport (triple butted steel frameset) with 27 inch wheels and 27x1-3/8 Panaracer SwiftTire Sand Canyon tires. Smoothest riding bike I ever had, it begs to go off road. Very, very stable on loose gravel. It rides nicer than the 2016 Specialized Diverge I had. Only negative is the small selection of decent tires out there.
It goes in this order. 26” , 27.5” and 29”. That simple.
650B = 27.5” and
700C = 29”
I believe 700c relates more to 28 inch since this is the size road wheels have
@@tobioderso that's only true in some cases. in most cases, it's not
700c only =29" if you have a 1.9-2.2" tire, but all 29ers=700c wheel.
@ S. Ivers : That is not correct. The standard wheel size which is referred to as 28" in most countries, and has been for the last decade at least, is also known by the French designation 700C (i.e. 622 rim). As you probably know, 700C is what all road racing bikes must use, to conform to the rules. But traditionally many utility bikes too use 28" wheels, typically with fatter tyres.
Then there is the other old common French standard 650B (584 mm rim), mostly used with utility and touring bikes,. This is universally known as 26" (except in the U.S. where 26" means the 559 mm wheel popularized internationally with the spread of the MTB in the '80s).
Historically there have been various 27" wheels, but the only (somewhat) surviving type today is the British 27" version (630 mm rim size).
To sum up 26, 27 and 28 inches -- those have been the de facto standard sizes for generations, and they still are..
The non-sensical and ultimately confusing designations 27.5" and 29" are no doubt the result of misguided efforts of some bike company marketing people to artificially make their products sound novel and more exciting, while in fact the wheel sizes are exactly the same as standards used in the industry for ages.
I guess the marketing strategy of confusing the ignorant but fad-sensitive consumer by inventing new names for established ones has paid out, though.
I believe the "29" and "27.5" terms come from the mountain bike industry's discovery of larger wheels, where a 57 mm wide tire on a 622 or 584 mm rim produces a 29" or 27.5" overall diameter. (And, the popular (well, before 29 and 27.5, anyway) mountain bike 26" to 26.5" with a 57 mm wide tire on a 559 mm rim, but that's because mountain bikes were developed from old American cruisers with 2.125" wide tires, which is closer to 26".)
Of course, this all breaks down once you move away from those widths.
But, then, so do the French sizes - 700C actually being 700 mm diameter on a 622 mm rim assumes a 39 mm wide tire, 650B actually being 650 mm diameter on a 584 mm rim assumes a 33 mm wide tire. (And note that the French system varied the wheel diameter with width, to keep the overall diameter constant, to prevent diameter naming from breaking down... but that means having a different rim size for each tire width.) I suspect not many people running "700C" are actually running 39-622 except on an actual utility bike (otherwise, they're running narrower on a pure road bike, or wider on anything else... and my actual utility bike is 47-622), and I suspect not many people running "650B" are actually running 33-584 at all.
Hi. I would like to know what is the equivalent of 650x47c on 27.5x2.? Thank you! :)
Debating on doing a 650b conversion on a 76 khs gran sport mixte.....I've already converted to compact cranks, 8 speed cassette and 700c (38mm tires)...
. . What about large-wheeled mountain bikes? The little independent testing that has been done indicates that 29ers don’t roll faster than mountain bikes with 26-inch wheels. However, the large-wheeled bikes certainly feel different. Our testing found that for optimum handling, wheel size should correlate with tire width, to keep the rotational inertia of the wheel constant.
It is no coincidence that French constructeurs used 700C wheels for narrow tires (up to 32 mm) and 650B wheels for wider tires. Our testing showed that beyond 42 mm, 26″ wheels result in the best handling. For serious gravel-road riding, 44 mm-wide 26″ tires would be an excellent choice.
from Bicycle Quarterly
do u think a Linus Gaston can be switched to 650b x 48? the bike is just too high for me..
Absolutely. #TerraLaCabra is the wonder bike. 700c wheelset w 28c tubeless road slicks and a 650b wheelset (24.5mm interal width) w 42c WTB Resolute tires for gravel.
Toe overlap is horrible for me on my Salsa Vaya. It’s fairly new and I’m attached to it or I may consider trading it in for a bike designed for a 650b.
A great explanation on the major differences between 650b and 700c in an easy to follow format. I'm excited to see more interest in the 650b wheel size myself. At the present there isn't as many rim options available as there is for 700c. It would be fun to have a super light 650b wheel for an ultra supple, but performance oriented wheel-set, without breaking the bank.
Perhaps one small note to add, if your bike was not originally designed for 650b and you decide to change it, the front trail will change slightly too. This just affects the handling by a marginal amount. It's worth noting, and as I understand it can actually improve handling for some bikes or make it worse for others. In that sense, I think its better to have a bike designed specifically for 650b vs. one converted over. The bike makers like to tell us with disc brakes we can easily convert back and forth, but in practice that only works if the tire size used in the conversion preserves the same rolling diameter. Excellent topic!
small wheels on small bikes for short people makes a lot of sense. but whether tall people really want to switch from 700c with smaller tires to 650b/27.5 with bigger tires keeping about the same overall outside size really depends on terrain and riding style. it's a lot more complicated. they might be better off just getting a mountain bike
The industry has long been ignoring the big segment of market for short people,
women.
That is true.
URGENT Message from the bike industry
Buy a 650b bike this year, and next year, we will tell you why it was the completely wrong decision, and give you the new gadget to fix it.
I've been waiting for 650b to become mainstream frankly. Totally going to stock up on tires and bikes while they are hot.
Path Less Pedaled I love them, I work in the industry. Mostly, my silly comment was aimed at the. Capricious nature of the bike industry and its addiction to trends
I remember back in the day 26, idk if you can still find tires.
The Kona dew plus i like, and surly bridge club.
@@derekdavis6508 I love my 26er long haul trucker. Both wheels are custom built with 48 spokes. It's insanely overbuilt, but I would trust it on a solo backcountry tour.
Hello, I would like to get on my bike: Triban GRVL 520 Sram Apex 1x11 buy rims DT Swiss G 1800 Spline. And according to the manufacturer, I can use 650x47 or 700x42 Please advise, What option would you choose from my options?
27.5 is the MTB terminology, it's just the circumference in inches. same diameter as 650b (french term). 29er is the same as 700c
I'm using 650b gravel wheels on my bike because they fit well on an old 26 frame
For an all-road bike, I put 650B wheels on a SOMA cross frame (Double Cross) designed to take 700 and 650B wheels. I love it, but I do have pedal strike issues. I did NOT buy the SOMA fork: Instead, I used the Ritchie WCS Carbon Adventure fork which is also specified for 700 and 650B. I don't know if that swap lowered my bottom bracket. FYI, I am using 172.5 mm cranks and flat pedals. Once you run 650B at low pressure, you will not go back.
Just got a new Women's Canyon Ultimate size 2xs with 650b x 25mm tires... My choice is very limited when it comes to tires in that size. I'm hoping brands will catch on and make narrower 650b tires for "smaller" people. And I'm not that small (5'5").
just subscribed... looking for a review of the new 2021 Kona Rove steel in chrome/silver color... anyone that know of videos of that specific model and color that can link me to it!? Thanks a lot!
for the same PSI a wider tire will have less rolling resistance than a narrower tire, and with a 10mm difference aero is negligible(most won't notice anything wider unless racing). handling will be much more stable with a wider tire and smaller rim, also weight handling will increase with a wider tire.
thin narrow tires are only usefui for 'cool factor' and generally for tenths of a second lap times over competitive racers, thats literally it..
Does anyone make a 650b bike with a high enough bottom bracket so road 650b x 28 tyres can be used without risking pedal strike any more than on a 700c?
I have an old 'dale rigid 26er. The wheels are really heavy, and I can't find quality 26" wheelsets anymore.
I figured I could go from 26x2" to 650bx35mm tires and have about the same diameter. I have two questions: does this make sense, and could I get canti or vee brakes that have enough adjustment range to work?
Would recommend Stoic Wheelworks in Portland for 26. Tell them we sent ya! www.stoicwheels.com
Thanks for the vid! I converted my 2017 Giant TCX Advanced SX to 650b via American Classic Wide Lightning wheels (29mm internal, 32 external width) running Compass Switchback Hill tires. Really enjoyed your interview with Jan Heine as well. Keep up the 650b goodness! #supplelife
Awesome. Thanks! Look for more 650b goodness soon!
For gravel bikes on gravel trails, 650b feels right no matter your weight or size. Get on the pavement and bigger heavier riders will find themselves constantly increasing tire pressure to stop the squirming. A 700c 35mm tubeless tire feels like the best for 90+kg riders looking to do minimal gravel and mostly pavement.
The stuff I see this channel descending on makes me feel like monster-cross would be a better choice for Clydesdales than 650b. We need the extra volume but can not sacrifice the bottom bracket height (long cranks) nor is the lower tire pressure helpful when the tire is squirming. I do run a 650b on my Bad Habit 1 but that has 3" tires! I want to put swept bars on after watching this channels alt-bar video. It rides like a Cadillac but the stretched out position with flat bars is no fun for longer distances of mostly flat.
Great channel, love seeing the supple side of cycling and the different needs of riders.
As for pedal strike, it's easy to get 165mm or shorter cranks, which are a better fit anyways for shorter riders or those with hip or back issues.
I fell in love with 650b, and how it changed my 54cm ride running 47c WTB Byway tyres. To my surprise I didn't notice any changes to the speed as I initially presumed, that insignificant it was, apart from maneuverability, stand over height, and most of all, comfort. I don't think I will go back to 700c on my gravel.
Did you find this true on road as well? I’m starting to think the “700C is faster because momentum” is a myth. Cycling Weekly did a coasting test and the 650B actually won. I’m on a 50cm Surly Midnight Special, riding a lot of (shitty) roads and really contemplating moving to 650B wheels (got it used and it came with 700C).
@@AndyLeeJordan my bike on 650b 47c behaves like my Specialized diverge from 2020 on 700c 38c with suspension stem and suspension saddle, so it is significant comfort improvement, just from roughly 10mm more tyre volume. If I am riding on the flats long distance, I can only feel the difference when holding the speed on thicker tyres, over 30kmh+ in terms of aerodynamics when riding on it without any bags, but comfort trumps that slight difference, as I am usually packed, but having that flat center section in the tyre is great when riding on asphalt/tarmac, also tubeless is a must with 650b, just to even shave the weight off from bigger inner tubes
I’m good with the 600a
Dear Path Less Pedaled, could you please review some of Full Dynamix Italian handmade gravel bikes? The website presents only frames, but they also sell complete builds.
Can always try!
Hi, haven't heard your name between the videos I've seen but I found a bike I like but as an avid cyclist as you are would you trust a Critical Beaumont 7 Speed to be able to pull an Aosom trailer with say 45 pounds of camping gear every once or twice a year and say about 50 pounds of groceries at least once a month. I tried a cheap 700c bike and it just felt so weird. I will look to see if the Beaumont was 27.5 tires. Thanks for your input and hope to hear back.
Depends on terrain. It will do it, but there are other bikes that might work better. I don't know if you have a bicycle co-op where you live, but they often have used bikes that are pretty affordable and will help you dial in what would work best.
@@PathLessPedaledTV I'll call around. Thank you for getting back to me so fast
At 6,4” I think I'll stick with 700c😉👍🏻
Phil Shaw at your height you would love 29+
My thoughts exactly. And I’m only 6”1. But for short-average sizes riders I can see the appeal.
@@davidmithen9223 I would think he would want to go with the 823.2s. That seems to be the going trend lately
yes you do get frames that make use of 650b for smaller riders, but generally 650b vs 700c has nothing to do with your height. I'm 6'3" and ride both - 650b means you can have massive tyres and still have good frame clearence for mud and guards. I can have one bike and swap wheels when i want to ride road or gravel!
I'm considering the Salsa Journeyman in a 700... or the 650b version. Frames are identical. The 700 is drawing me to it... account of tire size. The 700 has more range. @ 32c to 51c. The 650b's range is 47c to 57c. To run the fat tire.. there is only 6mm difference. Slightly less than 1/4 inch. But the 700 can go skinny down to 32c for pavement. Can't make up my mind.
My bottom bracket actually raised when I tried the conversion, (probably cause of frame style) on a Stumpy hardtail, but i stuck with the 26s (which people often think are 650b based on width) as I felt the small size difference wasn't worth the extra materials…if I get a lighter set of 650b's and better tires than the 26's run, I might try it over because everything went smoothly, just to test all the fuss around 650b lol
I think the difference is more noticeable going from a 700c road bike to 650b bike than probably a 26inch mtb to 650b for sure.
How tall are you? Is 5' 9.5" with 30in inseam considered "shorter rider"?
You're on the cusp of normal.
I'm 5'8" w/ a 29" inseam, do you think I'd do better with 700c or 650b or it won't really matter? Considering a Fairdale Weekender Nomad or a Surly Straggler.
650b if looking at a gravel or road bike.
@@PathLessPedaledTV
Thanks man, love your channel!
I used the word “supple” for the first time in my life this week.
Supple is the new aero.
Changing crank arms to avoid pedal strike may help!?
Could help but alters a lot of things as well from fit to gearing.
Yes, Surly Midnight Special review please!!
Here's a great Midnight Special review...theradavist.com/2018/02/the-surly-midnight-special-is-truly-a-fat-tire-road-bike-morgan-taylor/#1
My gravel bike is a voodoo bokor 26er frame with 650b gravel tires, but I'm thinking about getting a Surly 29er, like the karate monkey
How would define short? I'm 173cm/5'8, am I short enough for 650b? One more thing, have you tried out the WTB Byways? Do you think the side knobs make a difference? Thanks! :)
Short = 5’8 below. 52cm frame or smaller.
Yep, that's me alright. I'm currently riding a 52' frame, 165mm cranks, and outfitted with 650b's, pure goldilocks my brother. I can even slam dat stem and still be comfy. I'm just waiting for the Berenstain bears to get home hangry as hell that I tried all their bikes! Can I borrow your bear spray? :)
hello if you want to upgrade your 700c 37 to 700c 50 do you have to change the rims
You could probably use the same rim but the tire wouldn’t have its optimal shape.
i'm 6'6". i really like the idea of a fatter tire. but like you said i'm a bit concerned it will be too small for me lol? tough decisions haha
As long as your bike is properly sized you'll be fine making going to a 650b
in switzerland, or maybe it’s just me, we call the wheels by the sizes 26, 27.5, 28, 29 which actually makes everything way easier than calling them 537c and stuff like that
It is what it is.
What is the 700c tire size (outside diameter) equivalent to 650b x 47mm?
28mm
Would you review Kona Rove LTD?
Reached out to Kona a few times but they’ve been unresponsive. Will try again.
If I have a 700 x 38mm tire like a Panaracer GravelKing...what would be the 650b equal to that in tire width to equal a 38mm tire? Thanks.
Width or diameter? Width a 650b x38. Diameter probably 27.5 x 2.0.
Path Less Pedaled Thanks!
The 2018 ADV 3.1 from Co-Op is now 650 instead of 700c, any chance we'll see a review on that?
changing from 700c to 650b will cause problem with rim brakes right
Yes it will
What basket do you have on your Vaya?
Wald 137
Would it be a mistake to put 650B wheels with 47mm tires on a 700c designed Surly Straggler? The Straggler's bottom bracket is pretty high as it is, so there probably wouldn't be too much of an issue with pedal strike. But I wonder if anyone out there has done it, and what their experience has been? I know Surly will be inclined to persuade people to buy the 650B specific Midnight Special instead. Thanks for your feedback.
It would prob be OK. Lots of reports of ppl doing it. Have not tried it myself personally.
Can someone explain to me what is the Supple life?
ruclips.net/video/lHohz2eKZKM/видео.html
If i wanted to switch from 700c to 650 will it work for an ebike that is mid-drive
Yes
So how far does the 650b lower the bike from a 700c being its only one side of the tire? 1/4 inch a 1/2 inch?
depends on the tire your using 650x47mm is like a 28-30mm 700c, so lowers it 5-10mm max if your used to running 35-40 but most newer bikes can fit 2.1inch tires and thats like 40mm on 700c wheel so then no different in drop (that you would notice). TBH no one thinks about it on a road bike but gravel bike have pretty low BB's in general, mine has a 70mm drop so i have to be mindful. In regards to wieght actually 700c wheels work out 200-300 grams lighter (all up with tires and tier choice and theres more choice) and for some reason all the road plus tires are really heavy and have no need to be compass are making the lightest I've found (i consider anything over 500 grams for a 47mm 650 tier heavy for its given size) and anything under 42mm you may as well go 700c
depends on what country you're in, what brand it is, frame size, wheel diameter, wheel width, and several other factors
I thought 650b with big supple tires was roughly the same diameter as 700c?
As 700x28. If your bike is designed around 70X38 it gets low.
Im 5'5 im thinking of 700c so i can switch out to good ol roadtires also if i ride with people they are more likely to have 700 tubes with them.
There are 650b road tires.
Imagine a person with a perfectly proportioned bike. Scaling the rider up or down should also scale the frame and wheels up or down. That seems obvious.
I've been switching between 32 Gatorskins and 45 Riddlers over the past year riding to TJoes and the beach path here in LB and I love the volume but don't need much tread. I appreciate your honest opinion, because I've been ogling everything 650b on Instagram but you helped me solidify the fact that I don't need to change a thing 😅
Lbc. Let’s ride!
lol... I have a kona Dew+ with 650b x 47
my trek Fx is 700c x 35.
the 700 might be 1/2" taller.
the 650 is fatter and soaks up the bumps better.
I'm 6'4".... all bikes are xl & xxl
Hey man, from italy i really enjoy your videos and how here you're keeping strictly to the point, showing all the many sides of the 650 topic :) Question: at around 5:05 , you're showing some Compass Switchback Hill, i just can't see what width they are (maybe 48c?) and i'd really like to see more videos on superlarge tires like the Rene Herse Antelope Hill 55 mm, before possibly getting hold of a pair... just saying, if it ever comes to your mind to upload something about those, with your much appreciated opinions and thoughts too :) Big respect and right on! :)
They are 47mm wide.