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  • Is secularism dying in India? Do we need to redefine secular values in the country? Watch this fiery debate between panellists from across fields at India Today Conclave 2024
    The India Today Conclave - India's premier thought forum - is entering its 21st year. Over the next two days, Conclave 2024 will bring together visionaries, leaders, and luminaries from across the globe under one roof to delve into the essence of 'Brand Bharat: An Assertive Nation in an Uncertain World'. Spanning over two decades, the conclave has established itself as a premier forum for dissecting the complexities of our times, stimulating intellectual debates, and seeding the ideas that shape our world.
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  • @narendramarkale7908
    @narendramarkale7908 3 месяца назад +703

    No Hindu could have defended more eloquently than Shehazad Poonawala

    • @manilalgohil
      @manilalgohil 3 месяца назад +20

      Hindu or Santan Dharma
      is Secular
      And full of faith even if others worship
      And different altars of different godship,
      O Arjuna, they still worship Me and no one else,
      Though the rules of their faiths preach something else.
      Geeta Ch 9 V 23
      This means that whole world is HINDU - the whole world

    • @IndicRenai-2047
      @IndicRenai-2047 3 месяца назад +10

      Secular means non religious my bro. It's close to atheism not equality among riligion. We are panth nirpeksh. And iske liye puri dictionary me bhi koi word nhi milega because they don't believe in this.

    • @peerni538
      @peerni538 3 месяца назад +7

      We dont have to defend and get certification from someone

    • @peerni538
      @peerni538 3 месяца назад +4

      We dont have to defend and get certified by some one

    • @srinum6774
      @srinum6774 3 месяца назад +1

      @@IndicRenai-2047Plural and agnostic should be put in constitution !

  • @devkak
    @devkak 3 месяца назад +310

    Two Muslims Shehzad and Shaila are on the podium for speaking against the so called dying secularism. What else is the definition of secularism. Momta Didi is the leader of appeasement politics. Every religion is equal don't confuse appeasement with secularism.

    •  3 месяца назад +11

      Well said

    • @urrasscal8380
      @urrasscal8380 3 месяца назад +9

      secularism means separation of church and state - means cchurch can do whatever heck that their rreligion say and state have no right to intervene i.e. secularism gives rreligion too much power. for example iislamb says ssex sslavery is legal just like what iisis did so according to secularism state will have no jurisdiction on this matter.

    • @devkak
      @devkak 3 месяца назад +3

      @@urrasscal8380 😂 exactly

    • @mamtashah-cc4vb
      @mamtashah-cc4vb 3 месяца назад +6

      Boss understand the pain of Congress . Shila Rashid today is the face of BJP .

    • @amish2394
      @amish2394 3 месяца назад

      ​@@urrasscal8380isslam never said that, please don't sya anything thw worshipper of incest bramha beti🇵🇰hod

  • @ashkla05
    @ashkla05 3 месяца назад +41

    Wow. Did the moderator just said "The debators will be judged on the style, drama, theatre etc and not just on the basis of content??" Just surprised. What journalism has come down to😢

    • @billtensus
      @billtensus 2 месяца назад

      What are you saying??? This is to make debating less serious, making a side win unlike usual serious debates gives new perspective. Theatrics here are just the supporting caste.They know everyone is here for real *matter*. This happens in every dialogue week. *Once in a while*, this refresher and excitement brings out new perspectives. Good it happened. Just made in engaging for non-news-watching-people.

  • @Anp562
    @Anp562 3 месяца назад +8

    There can be no bigger joke than saying Mamata Banerjee is secular 😂😂

  • @kavithavrao
    @kavithavrao 3 месяца назад +175

    Tehseen is right.... Congress has lost a Shahjaad. And we have gained a much much deserved brother.

  • @dhirajsarker906
    @dhirajsarker906 3 месяца назад +43

    Shela Rashid ji❤❤❤❤ Thanks from Hindu Community

  • @nzm7993
    @nzm7993 3 месяца назад +26

    Result itself shows.. secularism has died...

  • @nishkaratnam8274
    @nishkaratnam8274 2 месяца назад +6

    Secularism doesnt need a parliament or any debate...it will survive on its own without political interference by anyone

  • @thomasthomasphilp4393
    @thomasthomasphilp4393 3 месяца назад +294

    I am a Hindu by culture and a Christian by faith - Thats my secularism.

    • @maheshkumarrao-ji5wb
      @maheshkumarrao-ji5wb 3 месяца назад +9

      Absolutely

    • @kunalraj6882
      @kunalraj6882 3 месяца назад +9

      ❤❤‍🩹❤‍🩹

    • @sumanbaruah6330
      @sumanbaruah6330 3 месяца назад +12

      beautyful analogy brother.,love from a hindu

    • @cyberr2k
      @cyberr2k 3 месяца назад +9

      What does your community certificate say ? There are many you convert to Christianity but still maintain their old community certificates 😂😂😂

    • @user-ti8zv1zg7t
      @user-ti8zv1zg7t 3 месяца назад +6

      You are just confused man!

  • @kevalgoyani3808
    @kevalgoyani3808 3 месяца назад +207

    Brilliant logically explained by Shehzad Bhai...👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @johnkhup123
    @johnkhup123 2 месяца назад +14

    When its a debatable, its already a problem.

    • @adityarao3577
      @adityarao3577 Месяц назад +3

      People debate if earth is spherical or flat. Does that hint its a problem?

    • @johnkhup123
      @johnkhup123 Месяц назад

      @@adityarao3577 Earth is a natural problem while the other is a mindset create issue

  • @sugandhigiridhar1989
    @sugandhigiridhar1989 3 месяца назад +4

    Ask common people like us, whether secularism still exists. Yes we are secularists.Tolerating all religions🙏🏻

  • @mrperfectionist88
    @mrperfectionist88 3 месяца назад +174

    Moment I saw Shehzad I started feeling pity for the opposition lol

  • @drbharath8151
    @drbharath8151 3 месяца назад +399

    Secularism is a joke for congress
    But it is a debatable topic for BJP

    • @sunnybhagyangar
      @sunnybhagyangar 3 месяца назад +35

      sanathana DHARMA is secular.. no need to talk about the SECULAR SECULARISM SECULARISM WORD 🫵🫵
      We need shutdown Congress party and leftists parties 😂

    • @HeavenRacer422
      @HeavenRacer422 3 месяца назад

      ​@@sunnybhagyangarsecularism means division of state and religion. Why can a person be secular? In the name of secularism these people guilt trap hindus and make them ashamed of practicing own religion.

    • @urrasscal8380
      @urrasscal8380 3 месяца назад

      secularism means -- separation of church and state which means church can do anything ( can practice sslavery acc. to their rreligion ) and state will not have any right to interfere in this type of church matters .... this is very dangerous ideology that's why secularism was not included in 1947 constitution.

    • @neerajk5212
      @neerajk5212 3 месяца назад +2

      @@sunnybhagyangar I am quite interested in your proposed adage ie "sanathana DHARMA is secular.". Please could you explain secularism citing proper references for your statements and accordingly, please can you draw parallels from the Sanatana Dharma school of thoughts so that it can be asserted that what you said may have some logic?

    • @neerajk5212
      @neerajk5212 3 месяца назад

      @@FreddieMurphy746 Add this one as well to make it apple to apple than making it apple to orange:
      "मत्तः परतरं नान्यत्किञ्चिदस्ति धनञ्जय ।
      मयि सर्वमिदं प्रोतं सूत्रे मणिगणा इव ॥7॥"

  • @shyamprasad1969
    @shyamprasad1969 3 месяца назад +4

    ashutosh makes ultimate confession, he is right he is not good debater but only how to speak. Speaking even a child does.

  • @sewaligoswami781
    @sewaligoswami781 3 месяца назад

    I loved it. India and indians need more public debates happening.

  • @gopalramanathan7062
    @gopalramanathan7062 3 месяца назад +220

    As long as Sanathan Dharm dominates Bharat 🇮🇳 plularism will never die in Bharat 🇮🇳🕉️🇮🇳

    • @jamessteeper6617
      @jamessteeper6617 3 месяца назад +4

      Not just Sanatan dharma but also recognition of TRUE(Not white washed) history of past 1000 years.

    • @neerajk5212
      @neerajk5212 3 месяца назад

      Lol.

    • @urrasscal8380
      @urrasscal8380 3 месяца назад

      secularism is very dangerous ideology it gives rreligion too much power ... secularism makes indian constitution as goo.

    • @billtensus
      @billtensus 2 месяца назад

      @@neerajk5212 you will be allowed to laugh As long as Sanathan Dharm dominates Bharat 🇮🇳 plularism will never die in Bharat 🇮🇳🕉🇮🇳. hahahaha

    • @neerajk5212
      @neerajk5212 2 месяца назад +1

      @@billtensus Let Dharma be with the people whose in reality it is. Let not the politicians hijack it. You select politicians to run the government, that enable the society to access resources, manage law and order and so on.

  • @k45rt789jh
    @k45rt789jh 3 месяца назад +82

    They did not have the guts to invite Sai Deepak ji. Completely understandable 🤣

  • @khajamoin1998
    @khajamoin1998 3 месяца назад +3

    Secularism is there since long time between all religions that's India...But primary questions needs to be addressed on so called news channels are about Jobs, Economic growth and how we can discuss on growth of industries and make better employee generators

  • @valerianpereira1259
    @valerianpereira1259 3 месяца назад

    INDIA MAHAAN;
    OUR INDIAN SOIL ;
    IS NOTHING BUT GOLD.
    WE NEED TO GO BEYOND;
    WE ARE ALL humans ; we are all indians
    we complement one another.
    we make india great ...
    together

  • @targetssc0717
    @targetssc0717 3 месяца назад +59

    Y minorities are only Muslims what about Jains Sikhs and persians and also ask them they are most vulnerable community we have to take their opinions not always only Muslims. Secularism died already by Khangress govt it's time to restore secularism

    • @Kkc3126
      @Kkc3126 3 месяца назад

      I feel muslim are not minority anymore they are 15% in whole india population in crores.

  • @anilmenon3701
    @anilmenon3701 3 месяца назад +35

    So proud of poonawala doing an extempor debate and showing his debating skill.Great job!!! Well done, young man.

  • @vijayakumargundappa7719
    @vijayakumargundappa7719 3 месяца назад +3

    Looting temple money to fund other faiths is secularism?!

  • @vinillashkari8360
    @vinillashkari8360 3 месяца назад

    Excellent debate...there should be more like this on TV

  • @aromal9268
    @aromal9268 3 месяца назад +66

    Shehazad stood up when others came. Which shows how much cultured he is. More power to you sir.❤️‍🩹

  • @greatlearner5162
    @greatlearner5162 3 месяца назад +34

    Only for sehzad ❤❤❤❤❤😊

  • @sewaligoswami781
    @sewaligoswami781 3 месяца назад

    Kudos to the India today team for organising this debate. We need more of this.

  • @devendrasinghdalal2900
    @devendrasinghdalal2900 3 месяца назад +1

    A healthy India. Bravo.

  • @param953
    @param953 3 месяца назад +156

    Secularism will never die in india as hinduism by nature is secular

    • @nogag8219
      @nogag8219 3 месяца назад +2

      do u even know the definition of secularism

    • @rangappan
      @rangappan 3 месяца назад

      @@nogag8219 Kindly Explain Sir ! we Dont .

    • @nogag8219
      @nogag8219 3 месяца назад +7

      Secularism is separation of state and religious institutions which means religious and state institutions should not interfere with each other's functioning. India has never had secularism to begin with. What this panel was debating over is what I call the tolerance and acceptance of all religions which is called pluralism and not secularism. Yes, we have had pluralism for centuries bcos Hinduism is inherently pluralist while Islam is fascist. If Islam were to become dominant religion in India, you can kiss pluralism and tolerance a big goodbye. Your future generations will be forced to convert just like in Paksitan

    • @urrasscal8380
      @urrasscal8380 3 месяца назад +2

      @@rangappan aray murkh --- secularism is separation of cchurch ( lets take rreligion) and state . Which means rreligion can do whatever their rreligion prescribe 4 example some rreligion allow ssex sslavery and because of secularism state would have no power to stop that . that's why in 1950 constitution they debated about secularism and they outright rejected the inclusion of this particular word secularism.

    • @asbmbs5530
      @asbmbs5530 3 месяца назад

      Hindus should wake up. Remember 800 years of atrocities on Hindus.

  • @VV-mo7sw
    @VV-mo7sw 3 месяца назад +305

    Shehzad Poonawalla 👌🔥

    • @neeranarayan6525
      @neeranarayan6525 3 месяца назад

      This Poona wala is a fraud and blatant liar just like his new mentor the corrupt Modi!!!

    • @FawazFawaz-iz9xd
      @FawazFawaz-iz9xd 3 месяца назад +1

      Andh bakth 🤣

    • @FawazFawaz-iz9xd
      @FawazFawaz-iz9xd 3 месяца назад +1

      Andha bakth

    • @shobhitdagur1086
      @shobhitdagur1086 3 месяца назад +9

      ​@@FawazFawaz-iz9xdAndhnamaji 😂😂

    • @yashchauhan196
      @yashchauhan196 3 месяца назад +7

      @@FawazFawaz-iz9xd jali na teri jali na

  • @gogetter7963
    @gogetter7963 2 месяца назад

    More such debates over economy as well please...
    Great debate model...
    Loved ittttt❤❤❤❤

  • @brijesh5907
    @brijesh5907 2 месяца назад +1

    Really like the Shehzad ji spoke lot of passion and honesty

  • @british-indian
    @british-indian 3 месяца назад +33

    Wow Shezad 👌🙏💐👍 eloquently explained thank you Bhai ❤

  • @akshayakumarpatra1850
    @akshayakumarpatra1850 3 месяца назад +108

    Shehzad is on fire 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽 Excellent kick on Nehruvian secularism.

  • @avadhootnadkarni2521
    @avadhootnadkarni2521 3 месяца назад

    A great idea to organize such a public debate. Kudos to the India Today team, especially Rahul Kanwal!!

  • @RiyanPt
    @RiyanPt 3 месяца назад +3

    Secularism in religion is not a sound argument. You can find many ideas and points which is seen as secular in religious scriptures whether it is geeta,quran,bible,..At the same time you will find things that is completely opposite to secular ideas of an modern human being. It is better not to involve religion. Ideas like liberty equality and fraternity came from self conscious mind of human.

  • @devkak
    @devkak 3 месяца назад +69

    Shehzad Poonawala ❤️🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @jayeshpatil9329
    @jayeshpatil9329 3 месяца назад +96

    Secularism doesn't mean to demean sanatana Dharma

    • @HeavenRacer422
      @HeavenRacer422 3 месяца назад +20

      Nehruvian secularism. A muslim should be a Muslim and worship allah.
      Christian should worship jesus.
      But hindus should follow secularism. If hindu worship idols he will be communal. But if he goes to mazar and worship graves he will be secular.
      Reject secularism.

    • @urrasscal8380
      @urrasscal8380 3 месяца назад +2

      secularism gives too much power to rreligion ..

    • @kabitabhaumik5829
      @kabitabhaumik5829 3 месяца назад

      The misguided pseudo seculars need a sake up call!😡😡😢

    • @sansavd
      @sansavd 2 месяца назад

      @@HeavenRacer422 Did Nehru say that or you paraphrasing for a person like me. Could you refer some books on this to prove your point?

    • @HeavenRacer422
      @HeavenRacer422 2 месяца назад

      @@sansavd Nehru's policy is it's proof of this baised nature. And that's the reason gen Z hates him. Because we have self respect.
      1. He refused to participate in somnaath temple's inauguration called it against secularism knowing the unfortunate history of the temple.
      2. He introduced waqf board.
      3. Hindus of Pakistan voted for congress and muslims of India voted for jinnah in 1946. In 1947 Hindus were k1||Ed on the street of lahore. Nehru did nothing to secure them instead of that he was crying for mus|ims.
      4. He kept regressive muslim personal law board.
      5. Article 370
      6. He made a clergy our first education minister whereas his followers till date questioning yogi adityanath. Because of that clergy Indian history syllabus is completely is|amaised.

  • @saksham.18
    @saksham.18 3 месяца назад

    This format of debate is much appreciated.

  • @superbuddy8902
    @superbuddy8902 3 месяца назад +1

    By this it shows the Democracy is not dying.. but still the opposition including our suedo Anchor will cry in all the debates...

  • @vic-id5qn
    @vic-id5qn 3 месяца назад +221

    without Jai Sai Deepak...this discussion is incomplete.

    • @user-mg8bo4sx5w
      @user-mg8bo4sx5w 3 месяца назад +10

      He cant be every where....right now i think he is spreading nonsense in the US

    • @isns2502
      @isns2502 3 месяца назад

      they way u r here @@user-mg8bo4sx5w

    • @santoshshah2870
      @santoshshah2870 3 месяца назад +19

      There is no match of Jai Sai Deepak in this debate so he is absent

    • @rmt7833
      @rmt7833 3 месяца назад

      Non sense 😂😂OK​@@user-mg8bo4sx5w

    • @ravikumarbs7298
      @ravikumarbs7298 3 месяца назад

      You mean, the sidekick and mouth piece of Bhrasht jumla party 🖤👹

  • @bairannabangalore8231
    @bairannabangalore8231 3 месяца назад +56

    first need to define what is secularism . i think India is secular because of its bharathiya values.

    • @urrasscal8380
      @urrasscal8380 3 месяца назад

      secularism is very dangerous idea -- tomorrow because of ssecularism bachca bazi and ssex sslavery will be rampant in iindia.

    • @josephdsouza1515
      @josephdsouza1515 3 месяца назад

      हमारे देश में जो अत्यंत गरीब हैं, वे दिन-ब-दिन... और अधिक गरीब होते जा रहे हैं...
      सबसे पहले "गरीबी हटाओ"...जो 25 साल पहले शुरू हुआ था, बहुत महत्वपूर्ण है...
      हमारे आधे नागरिक केवल एक समय भरपेट भोजन ही कर पाते हैं।
      पिछले 10-15 सालों में हर जगह महंगाई बढ़ने से आम आदमी का जीना बहुत मुश्किल हो गया है। . .
      वर्तमान सरकार और विपक्ष को एक साथ मिल कर सभ्य होना चाहिए, एक दूसरे के साथ एकजुट होना चाहिए और सबसे पहले हमारे देश के अंदर की सारी गंदगी को साफ करना चाहिए, ..... सबसे महत्वपूर्ण है कि जनता के पैसे को बर्बाद करने के बजाय धर्मों के बीच एकता और शांति बनाई जाए। दुनिया भर का दौरा करना और चुनाव लड़ना...
      भगवान राम भी कितने प्रसन्न होंगे...
      पत्रकारों, मीडिया, CJI, ASI, ED आदि को ऐसे मुद्दों पर बहस करनी चाहिए.. अफ़सोस की बात है कि उनमें से अधिकांश एकतरफ़ा हैं, जिन्हें "हमारे देश के अंदर के बहुत महत्वपूर्ण मुद्दों" की कोई परवाह नहीं है!

    • @urrasscal8380
      @urrasscal8380 3 месяца назад

      @@josephdsouza1515 meanwhile dharti chapti hai (revelation 7:1).

  • @thegreatestdemon1288
    @thegreatestdemon1288 2 месяца назад +1

    Accurate headline should be " is One sided secularism is dyin' in india ?"😂

  • @saheilaidum8691
    @saheilaidum8691 3 месяца назад +8

    Secularism is dying.. That's true

  • @harsha9050
    @harsha9050 3 месяца назад +29

    Shehzad is 🔥 🔥. Punched holes in opposition argument

  • @amitsingh46483
    @amitsingh46483 3 месяца назад +64

    I am in awe and surprise the way Shehla Rashid changed. It has given a very new perspective on Left. In this debate I find her comments and presentation to be the most logical and based on real world examples.

    • @MrAshraf1949
      @MrAshraf1949 3 месяца назад +1

      Shiela is trying to save her skin as KASHMIRIS suffered most at the hands India HINDUVITA. Love from loving Canada 🇨🇦.

    • @srinum6774
      @srinum6774 3 месяца назад +14

      @@MrAshraf1949We have Arfa and others, why they did not change? When you do not bring religion into every aspect of your life, you will start using brains and start becoming logically! Then you will be enlightening!

    • @HeavenRacer422
      @HeavenRacer422 3 месяца назад +1

      These people don't have any ideology. Previously congress used to give them funds. Now BJP. 😂. Don't worry about her. This poonawala is also the same case. In fact most of the politicians are same except RSS politicians. They are strict to their ideology.

    • @nishantshrivastava9674
      @nishantshrivastava9674 3 месяца назад +1

      ​​@@srinum6774 He can't be.. It's a preset insecurity complex embedded by controversial commandments. He can't think of morality or reasoning beyond that commandments. Best example of it u can see in ME.

    • @urrasscal8380
      @urrasscal8380 3 месяца назад

      u know both rashid and khalid ( in video evidence) in JNU says bharat tere tukde hongay iinsallla iinsalla which come under sedition khalid is jail and shehla rashid is outside because she is ffemale just software update kar k chooor diya hai.

  • @brishnevk4823
    @brishnevk4823 3 месяца назад +3

    Cant believe Sheila is batting on BJP ❤❤😂😂

  • @valerianpereira1259
    @valerianpereira1259 3 месяца назад

    yes; all religions are equal.
    we are indians

  • @thomasthomasphilp4393
    @thomasthomasphilp4393 3 месяца назад +184

    Christians and Hindus want BJP in Kerala!

    • @redzsredzs9968
      @redzsredzs9968 3 месяца назад

      So go out and vote Ricebag.
      And tell your Priests to talk about this in Sunday Mass instead of empty talk about the coming of JC.

    • @FawazFawaz-iz9xd
      @FawazFawaz-iz9xd 3 месяца назад +3

      Oh sangi changam tinno 😂

    • @shobhitdagur1086
      @shobhitdagur1086 3 месяца назад +12

      Poor Muthalman maskeens 😂😂😂😂​@@FawazFawaz-iz9xd

    • @redzsredzs9968
      @redzsredzs9968 3 месяца назад

      @@FawazFawaz-iz9xd Abbey Katwe- Tereku kya samaj mein aaya?
      Woh tho English main hain.

    • @urrasscal8380
      @urrasscal8380 3 месяца назад

      @@FawazFawaz-iz9xd what's up katwa????

  • @robbinlittle
    @robbinlittle 3 месяца назад +47

    Bharat was always secular! Only congress made it go away from secularism. And top keaders like one speaking are liars, he has to gumption to lie from even this podium!!
    Liar... Liar...

    • @SuputraBharathi
      @SuputraBharathi 3 месяца назад +1

      Bharat was never secular in its history ... We always given space for religion to grow , multiple cultures to fruit in Bharat ...
      Actually people should look in dictionary and learn what is meaning of secularism ....
      Indian constitution have special meaning for secularism ( Hand made meaning by , collage drop out Nehru )
      Actual secularism was practiced by Soviet Russia , China .... They butcher just any who use religion ....
      Even though Ambadkar made constitution ,
      Nehru added two words in to constitution *socialist , secular*
      Also he given special explanation of what he mean by those words ...
      If you read constitution you can clearly understand what is difference between educated Ambedkar and collage drop out Nehru ...

  • @gswamy67
    @gswamy67 3 месяца назад

    Hi Shehla ma'am, RESPECT to you and ur words are really vital... u can make a difference .....🙏

  • @Ivartabrizi999
    @Ivartabrizi999 3 месяца назад +2

    In India secularism means the freedom to abuse Hindus. To be secular means i do not have the right to question an imported 7th century sect's very questionable tenets. Having worked for more than 4 decades in the Middle Eastern deserts I can say that no Beduoin ever asked me my religion but only my nationality. But here we see a half- Italian screaming in rallies about caste and the so called secular parties dividing my country into absurd acronyms like OBC , ST, BC etc. And to say on a public podium that Mamta Banerjee is the epitome of secularism is not only absurd but obnoxious.Every speaker for the motion like ignorant speakers like Asutosh spoke against Hindus.

  • @k.r.seetharaman8855
    @k.r.seetharaman8855 3 месяца назад +76

    If Secularism is dying in India, then it's very good.
    It's very good direction.

    • @329creations2
      @329creations2 2 месяца назад

      This type of feeling in most of the people in India proves that secularism is dying... They make up things in front of screen and in ground level they are filling the people with radicalisation.

  • @user-hb6td5gs3c
    @user-hb6td5gs3c 3 месяца назад +292

    The word secularism should be removed from constitution

    • @mahamrityumjay
      @mahamrityumjay 3 месяца назад +1

      Why exactly? Please explain

    • @jprasad.
      @jprasad. 3 месяца назад +52

      ​@@mahamrityumjayBecause Secularism word add in 1975 at emergency time by indra gandhi. In Orginal indian constitution there is not word like secularism , socialism etc .

    • @HeavenRacer422
      @HeavenRacer422 3 месяца назад +35

      ​@@mahamrityumjaysecular parties are more Islamist in nature.

    • @ahamasmiarinm
      @ahamasmiarinm 3 месяца назад +6

      @@mahamrityumjay Your question was well debated, analysed and concluded way back in 1948s right in The Constituent Assembly. Just read.

    • @skyaditya4733
      @skyaditya4733 3 месяца назад +17

      ​@@mahamrityumjaybecause secularism is not a part of original Constitution. It is added un constitutionally by indira gandhi in emergency time. Secular word should be removed restore original constitutional preamble.

  • @VVV-wx3ui
    @VVV-wx3ui 3 месяца назад

    Good debate....passions are high and even higher passion for their Political ideology in the context of upcoming elections.
    Aryama Sundaram to me stood out on the Dias.

  • @SahilSharma-lc5wm
    @SahilSharma-lc5wm 3 месяца назад +21

    SECULAR word was added during Emergency. It should be removed ASAP..

    • @urrasscal8380
      @urrasscal8380 3 месяца назад

      secularism is a ghatiya idea -- it allow ssex sslavery.

  • @atulkumar-pr4yo
    @atulkumar-pr4yo 3 месяца назад +23

    There is need to redifine the term secularism. Secularism can not be expected from majority only. Other also has to understand the the true meaning of secularism. Secularism does not not mean practice appeasement policy, allowing others to have their own law. Since independence there has been misconceptions on secularism. Allowing All india muslim personal law board, overturning the Shah Bano case, showing only part of Nupur Sharma and not showing what salmani says, silence of minority on terrorist attack of course will not strengthen the principles of secularism.

  • @dannydsouza6828
    @dannydsouza6828 3 месяца назад +1

    Aryaman Sundar hit the nail on the head. Political parties using religion would be constitutionally impermissible and unconstitutional. 👌🏼🙏🏼

  • @bhattacharyasatyaki
    @bhattacharyasatyaki 3 месяца назад

    It would have been interesting to have the vote twice, once before the start of the debate with the results kept confidential till the end and then once after the debate and then the results announced together 🙂

  • @starks8970
    @starks8970 3 месяца назад +29

    I am missing j sai deepak

  • @ravitiwary8733
    @ravitiwary8733 3 месяца назад +41

    This debate proved that Bharat got independence in 2014

  • @BROTHERSTUBERS
    @BROTHERSTUBERS 2 месяца назад

    I am not secular i am Hindu and i always loudly said Jai shree Ram 🚩 Bande mataram, Bharat Mata ki Jai ❤❤❤

  • @basantphaomei8770
    @basantphaomei8770 2 месяца назад

    Why people say that secularism is fading away from indian?? Who make it so and who are responsible? Please think deeply people of India

  • @RaajubhaiReviews
    @RaajubhaiReviews 3 месяца назад +32

    Bharat Mata ki . Jai….

  • @AK--2023
    @AK--2023 3 месяца назад +30

    When Modi has become PM then for opposition Atal bihari Vajpeyi becomes the tallest leader.
    Now think when Yogi will become PM then who will become the tallest leader for opposition?

    • @kannan0519
      @kannan0519 3 месяца назад +2

      👍

    • @letsbeantihate.9821
      @letsbeantihate.9821 3 месяца назад

      Decades down, your beloved leader's name will be added to a long list of despicable autocrats in History books

  • @rameshchandersharma2032
    @rameshchandersharma2032 3 месяца назад

    'India Today' learning fair and good debate, ❤

  • @mdsuhailbinameen1991
    @mdsuhailbinameen1991 2 месяца назад

    Brilliant. Shaila Rashid. It was difficult for me to figure out whether Shaila was speaking or Anjana or Navika was speaking.

  • @rajagopv
    @rajagopv 3 месяца назад +20

    Shezad Shezad Shezad......Tusi great ho Bhai🙏🙏

  • @mlg1279
    @mlg1279 3 месяца назад +89

    India doesn't need secularism. Remove the word from the Constitution.
    India needs to promote dharma within the country and even in other countries.

  • @shahidahmed5246
    @shahidahmed5246 3 месяца назад +7

    Shehla rashid seems to have got some financial support 😉

  • @robbinlittle
    @robbinlittle 3 месяца назад +122

    Ashutosh has always lied everyone knows and everytime!!

  • @vidyaveeranagodr3903
    @vidyaveeranagodr3903 3 месяца назад +16

    India today should tell me whether equality of rights exists for men and women in all religions.

  • @cssuntherrao
    @cssuntherrao 3 месяца назад

    The subject is "is secularism dying in India" & not "what secularism ought to be" as Mr. Aryaman suggested.

  • @nerdydoshi7014
    @nerdydoshi7014 2 месяца назад +1

    Missed Anand Ranganathan in this debate and j Sai Deepak... They would have countered every single point of the ones who spoke for the topic

    • @shyamsundarrajan2469
      @shyamsundarrajan2469 Месяц назад

      Only juniors seems to be on stage too small stage for both of them

  • @ashim_
    @ashim_ 3 месяца назад +11

    I'm stunned on 180° change of Shela Rashid 😐 but good change.👏

  • @kavithavrao
    @kavithavrao 3 месяца назад +15

    Wonderful the last commenter talks about Hinduism. 😊

  • @phromingstarmarngar3886
    @phromingstarmarngar3886 2 месяца назад

    my view in India todays above security, only in wards you can not dying.
    But in deeds of work is already dying the security in India.

  • @nirmalsingha9212
    @nirmalsingha9212 3 месяца назад +20

    WHAT A SHAME Sickularism

  • @lakshmidas7710
    @lakshmidas7710 3 месяца назад +22

    I was just thinking the same question how does saying bharat mata ki jai or vande mataram affect muslims ? But unfortunately somebody has asked 😅

    • @adnanahmad9648
      @adnanahmad9648 2 месяца назад

      ill tell you how it effects Muslims brother, Both phrases Put the indian identity ( that is defined by the Authoritarian society ) to the same level as our actual mother, Bharat is my country and not my "mata" or mother. Im happy to be born indian and I dont have to use your phrases to prove anything, im gonna use my own way.

  • @KrishnaKumar-sr2nc
    @KrishnaKumar-sr2nc 3 месяца назад +1

    The word secularism itself inserted with appeasement in mind and not there in the constitution of Dr Ambedkar. Here the secularism practiced by opposition parties is respect minority sentiments and keep silent when Hindu sentiments are hurt. Such secularism is not at all required. The requirement is the attitude of treating all religions equal .

    • @josephdsouza1515
      @josephdsouza1515 3 месяца назад

      हमारे देश में जो अत्यंत गरीब हैं, वे दिन-ब-दिन... और अधिक गरीब होते जा रहे हैं...
      सबसे पहले "गरीबी हटाओ"...जो 25 साल पहले शुरू हुआ था, बहुत महत्वपूर्ण है...
      हमारे आधे नागरिक केवल एक समय भरपेट भोजन ही कर पाते हैं।
      पिछले 10-15 सालों में हर जगह महंगाई बढ़ने से आम आदमी का जीना बहुत मुश्किल हो गया है। . .
      वर्तमान सरकार और विपक्ष को एक साथ मिल कर सभ्य होना चाहिए, एक दूसरे के साथ एकजुट होना चाहिए और सबसे पहले हमारे देश के अंदर की सारी गंदगी को साफ करना चाहिए, ..... सबसे महत्वपूर्ण है कि जनता के पैसे को बर्बाद करने के बजाय धर्मों के बीच एकता और शांति बनाई जाए। दुनिया भर का दौरा करना और चुनाव लड़ना...
      भगवान राम भी कितने प्रसन्न होंगे...
      पत्रकारों, मीडिया, CJI, ASI, ED आदि को ऐसे मुद्दों पर बहस करनी चाहिए.. अफ़सोस की बात है कि उनमें से अधिकांश एकतरफ़ा हैं, जिन्हें "हमारे देश के अंदर के बहुत महत्वपूर्ण मुद्दों" की कोई परवाह नहीं है!

  • @love_first2023
    @love_first2023 3 месяца назад +2

    TMC guy started on a shaky ground 😂😂😂😂

  • @sangeethaamotilal8119
    @sangeethaamotilal8119 3 месяца назад +14

    Ironically, the last speaker, in fact reiterated that as long as Sanaatanis are up and strong, Secularism can't be lost in Bharat.
    It's because, every Sanaatani, including our beloved PM, are every moment of their lives aware of the foundational ideology that keeps reverberating in their hearts and minds, despite the differences in their isth devata, pooja forms, etc., very well/aptly put out in a famous, beautiful Telugu rendering which is played/sung during rituals in TTD temple ( Tirupati Balaji temple)
    ' Bhaavamulona bhaagyamulaanulu, Govinda Govinda.... '.
    What the sanaatanis sing before their deity, echoes secularism in its most beautiful form.
    People interested can search a RUclips video to learn more about the song.

  • @SubhamML11
    @SubhamML11 3 месяца назад +26

    Sai, Anand & Sampath is needed here

  • @hinduawakening24
    @hinduawakening24 3 месяца назад

    WELL DONE TEAM INDIA 🇮🇳 👍 🇮🇳 👍🇮🇳 👍🇮🇳 👍

  • @nzm7993
    @nzm7993 3 месяца назад +2

    Very good shaila.. this is how dealed yourself out of the jail...
    This enclave becomes biased without owaisi....

    • @sumitdey6254
      @sumitdey6254 2 месяца назад

      True, also biased without Mr. Ranganathan, Mr. Annamalai or Mr. Sai Deepak. Watch either of them debate Mr. Owaisi.

  • @nitichatterji5223
    @nitichatterji5223 3 месяца назад +15

    Sure Shama Muhammad...Nehru never mixed religion with politics. He was just scared of Hindu revivalism which would have been dangerous to his brand of politics and hence he opposed Dr Rajendra Prasad when he wanted the Somnath temple to be renovated. And Riju Dutta when you say that how can citizenship be based on religious lines you need to remember that partition happened not on any socio cultural or economic lines but purely religious lines. So the response to the same has to be on religious lines

    • @urrasscal8380
      @urrasscal8380 3 месяца назад

      secularism is a very bad idea it gives too much power to rreligion.

    • @urrasscal8380
      @urrasscal8380 3 месяца назад

      nehru biggest mistake is not doing total popul xchange after partition.

  • @vidyaveeranagodr3903
    @vidyaveeranagodr3903 3 месяца назад +13

    secularism means equal rights for men and women in all religions.

    • @sureshnair3264
      @sureshnair3264 3 месяца назад

      Complete separation of religion from the government. When states controls temples then by definition India is not a secular country....

    • @innogenxmarketing6975
      @innogenxmarketing6975 3 месяца назад +3

      no it just means keep religion from state .

    • @dlavanya1
      @dlavanya1 3 месяца назад

      @@innogenxmarketing6975no. It means state doesnt discriminate based on religion.
      Like this scheme is only for hindus etc

  • @vasuawasthi1656
    @vasuawasthi1656 2 месяца назад

    Very brilliant debate..

  • @Teycafecharm
    @Teycafecharm 3 месяца назад +18

    hinduism has survived?well yeah we see that in modern pak and afghanistan how well hinduism has survived

    • @chandrakantshanbhag3058
      @chandrakantshanbhag3058 2 месяца назад +1

      GOA ruled by PORTUGUESE (JESUITS MISSIONARY) nearly more than 450 years still inspite of INQUISITION
      REMAINS SANATAN DHARM MAJORITY.

  • @tdurga3358
    @tdurga3358 3 месяца назад +19

    Why don't you follow this system in TV

    • @ArjunAchyutha-xyz
      @ArjunAchyutha-xyz 2 месяца назад +1

      Coz they want to increase their trp 😂.....it's obvious.....

  • @yppy6950
    @yppy6950 3 месяца назад

    Secularism means all can live with one another with some compromises. However, the compromises should be made with all party not just the majority.

  • @lalzolianifanai4765
    @lalzolianifanai4765 3 месяца назад

    It will be more interesting if the debaters are someone else other than those involves in political parties

  • @du_boy
    @du_boy 3 месяца назад +8

    Format is wonderful 👍 Somewhat like the US Presidential Election where a hall full of crowd cheers and the leaders of the two factions debate on stage. 👍👍

  • @karnatheempire6789
    @karnatheempire6789 3 месяца назад +10

    Shahzad nailed it 👌

  • @shreeshkumar6752
    @shreeshkumar6752 3 месяца назад

    1. First of all Rahul Kanwal deserves kudos for conducting this debate in such an efficient manner. A welcome departure from the run of the mill shouting matches that pass off as debates on our national English and Hindi channels, where truth, logic and reasoning get buried in the cacophony of hollow rhetoric.
    2. As to what is one's understanding of secularism, there could have been some more elaboration. That would have taken the discussion to 'what should be' rather than 'what is'. Another 5 to 6 minutes each for the teams as well as the jury and one more participant on either side would have brought in some more depth to the debate.
    3. All in all a very well conducted debate that sets an example of how it ought to be conducted.
    4. Shehzad Poonawala's articulation is of a very high order.
    5. Finally it is great to get a confirmation from a wider audience that secularism is an enduring quality of our social and cultural ethos, inherited from thousands of years.

  • @lifeinjapan3468
    @lifeinjapan3468 3 месяца назад +6

    Wow! I would love to watch such debates every week.

  • @RaviNayyar
    @RaviNayyar 3 месяца назад +9

    Ashutosh was very entertaining as usual.

  • @valerianpereira1259
    @valerianpereira1259 3 месяца назад

    Absolutely;
    never mix Religion with Politics..

  • @vinupuliyanda8726
    @vinupuliyanda8726 3 месяца назад +4

    Why minority is only Muslim but not Christians, jains and even small Hindu communities, and good Lord Muslims are 18+percentage, even more than my community, why only Muslim

  • @archergrc5362
    @archergrc5362 3 месяца назад +23

    More power to Shehazad