Don't think anyone had more stop/start pushes than Ken. Always upper mid card and regularly dipped in with top guys randomly. He was my favourite growing up.
Shamrock definitely deserves to be inducted into the HOF. He opened the door for those going from UFC to WWE. This year is perfect. You have Brock v Lashley in a Lions Den match with MMA rules with Shamrock as Guest Referee at Wrestlemania for the WWE Championship. Who else would fit. step up to referee a Lions Den match?
Only right! One match that always sticks out in my mind as a kid was shamrock vs owen hart at the garden summerslam 98. I recorded that ppv on vhs and watching it a million times over the next couple years 😂😂
In the late-1990s, wrestlers in their mid-to-late 30s, who joined or returned to WWE, were generally used as "enhancement talent", more than anything else. Ken Shamrock was 33 when he debuted in WWE and almost 36 when he left the company in late-1999. I don't consider him to have been particularly old by today's WWE standards, but by the standards of the 1990s, he was. For that matter, so was Dr. Death Steve Williams, who competed at Brawl 4 All at age 38, even though he looked closer to 50, at the time. If not for his humiliating loss, Dr. Death's run would probably not been anything spectacular. He was best known in Japan, and by the age of 38, he didn't have enough time left to make an impression in the WWE.
@@TFRANCHISETHERILLA Well, consider this. In the late-1990s, Vince McMahon was still adhering to his "Youth Movement" policy, that he started in 1993, where he would move wrestlers in their late-30s to early-40s into enhancement roles or, if they were lucky, they were put on color commentary -- like Roddy Piper and Randy Savage were. Vince was very "shallow." He cared more about a wrestler's look, than his talent, and Dr. Death was 38, with the look of a man in his 50s, in 1998. His massive beer gut didn't help. Sure, Dr. Death was a legitimate tough guy, but he didn't have the look that Vince wanted for his top-level talent.
At no time in the industry was 33 considered old. I think Bret was 35 when he first won the belt. Think Austin was a similar age to Ken so was Foley. I think taker was 33 in 97 and just given the title. People closer to 40 were getting pushed out in 93 etc. But saying Kens age played a part is a stretch.
@@paulearl8203 Like I said before, I personally do not consider 30-anything to be "old" for a pro wrestler, but Vince McMahon began imposing his "Youth Movement" policy at some point in 1993. This is why he never gave Randy Savage an additional World title run, after he'd lost the title for the final time in 1992. Savage was bitter about this. To your other point, Ken Shamrock certainly wasn't old at 36 in late 1999 when he left the WWE. Additionally, Bret Hart was only 34 when he was given the World title strap in October of 1992, and at that point he had a lot of good years ahead of him. There isn't a clear point in time that I can think of when Vince changed his mind on his Youth Movement policy, and began letting guys in their late-30s to early-50s, perform in main events, but it had probably happened some time in the mid-2000s.
Ken Shamrock's WWF persona looks exactly as he was in the UFC. So how can anyone tell if he is in character or not in the UFC or scripting fights in UFC?
Wait "the World's Most Dangerous Man" wasn't a WWF idea? I always gave them props for that. But it kind of makes sense, he kept that name the afterwards and WWF wasn't actually that good at nicknames if you think about it. Especially if you know they even messed it up in the beginning calling him the World's Most Dangerous Human being or something weird like that.
I would LOVE to see him back at Wrestlemania for a Brock v Lashley in a Lions Den match with MMA rules with Shamrock as guest Referee for the WWE Championship. It's also a perfect year to induct him in the HOF. He goes in & is special guest Referee.
That Ken Shamrock vs Vader match was stiff. Shamrock kicked Vaders legs too hard and broke Vaders nose with a knee. Vader punched Shamrock and Shamrock spun around.
How would the Stu Hart Dungeon match have happened after the Montreal Screwjob? This is absurd. This totally exposes the Montreal Screwjob as being a work. There is no way Stu Hart would let Vince McMahon use his dungeon for anything after Vince screwed Bret Hart over at Survivor Series 1997 just months before if the Screwjob was a shoot.
@@QuestioningOurReality his ex wife said so also brets brother in law said it as well as Rick rude vouched for it when bischoff thought it may have been an Angle you're an idiot
Ken was a beast in his day! When people talk about how bad Khabib is I think of Ken line no way could Khabib tiny self handle him in his day no way Ken just to big and powerful. Like if they met in the no weight class times Ken would mop the floor with all the current roaster I’m sure!
I was just about to say well yeah hed win hes in a diff weight class ! Good point about the old school no weight class ufc. Shamrocks a legend for sure.
Ken and Kurt Angle should have been brought in at Royal Rumble 97' and co won together went on to wm13 in also a draw until SummerSlam and him and Kurt in the first match and he barely defeats Kurt..being the winner he main events against the winner between Bret Hart vs Undertaker..Bret vs Shamrock has a twist as Kurt helps Shamrock win in turn leads to a (Bret)Canada vs (Kurt)USA feud making wrestling history.. Shamrock ends up at battling Steve Austin at survivor series.. while Shawn and taker is feuding.. Kurt and Bret have a loser leaves WWF in turn Bret goes to WCW and USA/KURT wins feud
I've been listening since episode 4, and this show is mostly banter. They spend very little time on the topics. I still listen, because every now and then they have a decent episode.
It's Ken Shamrock's fault for his lack of progress in WWF. He didn't seem like he had a focus or goals for what he was trying to achieve. So if WWF didn't do anything with Ken after his main event match with Shawn Micahels at DX In Your House, that's his fault for not sticking up for himself and trying to position himself to stay on the top of the card.
Shamrock is a legend and it's shame he didnt stick around thru 2002. Imagine the matchups between him and Angle or Benoit .
Starts at 3:54
Don't think anyone had more stop/start pushes than Ken. Always upper mid card and regularly dipped in with top guys randomly. He was my favourite growing up.
Are you going to do part 2 and cover Shamrock in 1999?
No they are not
@@davidsobilo9622 actually they did do part 2 a year ago
An hour and a half of Conrad reading the observer and Bruce on auto pilot.
Feels like most episodes are these days
And just think, Bruce was reluctant to rip Vince and the WWE BEFORE he was re-hired.
Your mom reads the observer to me every night
@@davidsobilo9622 Good. I hope your inbred brain can comprehend some of those words. You're a little slow but you'll pass third grade eventually.
@@davidsobilo9622 Your mom eats dog loads.
Shamrock definitely deserves to be inducted into the HOF. He opened the door for those going from UFC to WWE.
This year is perfect. You have Brock v Lashley in a Lions Den match with MMA rules with Shamrock as Guest Referee at Wrestlemania for the WWE Championship. Who else would fit. step up to referee a Lions Den match?
Only right! One match that always sticks out in my mind as a kid was shamrock vs owen hart at the garden summerslam
98. I recorded that ppv on vhs and watching it a million times over the next couple years 😂😂
Great episode - shame you didn’t have time to fit In 1999. Surely could have squeezed it in as you covered most of shamrocks run
Vinny Torelli was his name in 89
Still waiting for Royal rumble '07
Same here.
Most underrated component of the Attitude Era.
I'm not holding my breathe on part 2 ever coming out! Still waiting on part 2 of Kevin Nash
episode 273
Lol.. get your shit together. That episode came out long time ago
@@rw8185 much like the 2004 rumble episode it was hot garbage and they removed it. I meant a proper part 2 lol
@@Real_STKO a proper part 2? Dont know what you are on about it.
You're a loser.
Once played him in 1 2 no limit holdem in reno. Took about 200 off him. Super nice guy
My buddy in Reno got invited to a party thrown by Shamrock, but Ken was charging people for entry....LAME.
I like him, he should've been in the title picture.
He couldn't even win a wimpy ufc title , what makes you think he could hold the most prestigious title in America the wwf world championship
@Vincent Verona 😆almost? U know its pre- determined right?
Who is Vincent Verona? Must be a mizark
I wish Bruce was there in 1992,its the 30th anniversary of some good ass ppvs. At least do watch-a-longs.
In the late-1990s, wrestlers in their mid-to-late 30s, who joined or returned to WWE, were generally used as "enhancement talent", more than anything else. Ken Shamrock was 33 when he debuted in WWE and almost 36 when he left the company in late-1999. I don't consider him to have been particularly old by today's WWE standards, but by the standards of the 1990s, he was. For that matter, so was Dr. Death Steve Williams, who competed at Brawl 4 All at age 38, even though he looked closer to 50, at the time. If not for his humiliating loss, Dr. Death's run would probably not been anything spectacular. He was best known in Japan, and by the age of 38, he didn't have enough time left to make an impression in the WWE.
You never know tho, I just wish they would have kept him out of the Brawl for All and actually put him (Dr. Death) in a PPV against Stone Cold.
@@TFRANCHISETHERILLA Well, consider this. In the late-1990s, Vince McMahon was still adhering to his "Youth Movement" policy, that he started in 1993, where he would move wrestlers in their late-30s to early-40s into enhancement roles or, if they were lucky, they were put on color commentary -- like Roddy Piper and Randy Savage were. Vince was very "shallow." He cared more about a wrestler's look, than his talent, and Dr. Death was 38, with the look of a man in his 50s, in 1998. His massive beer gut didn't help. Sure, Dr. Death was a legitimate tough guy, but he didn't have the look that Vince wanted for his top-level talent.
At no time in the industry was 33 considered old. I think Bret was 35 when he first won the belt. Think Austin was a similar age to Ken so was Foley. I think taker was 33 in 97 and just given the title. People closer to 40 were getting pushed out in 93 etc. But saying Kens age played a part is a stretch.
@@paulearl8203 Like I said before, I personally do not consider 30-anything to be "old" for a pro wrestler, but Vince McMahon began imposing his "Youth Movement" policy at some point in 1993. This is why he never gave Randy Savage an additional World title run, after he'd lost the title for the final time in 1992. Savage was bitter about this. To your other point, Ken Shamrock certainly wasn't old at 36 in late 1999 when he left the WWE. Additionally, Bret Hart was only 34 when he was given the World title strap in October of 1992, and at that point he had a lot of good years ahead of him. There isn't a clear point in time that I can think of when Vince changed his mind on his Youth Movement policy, and began letting guys in their late-30s to early-50s, perform in main events, but it had probably happened some time in the mid-2000s.
Ken Shamrock's WWF persona looks exactly as he was in the UFC. So how can anyone tell if he is in character or not in the UFC or scripting fights in UFC?
Wasn't expecting an old-school chicken salad recipe. More Jerry!
Huhhhhhh????
Conrad right brucie. Sometimes be entertaining. WAKEY
Stone Cold and Shamrock on PPV is what I wanted.
Same
Do they cover him not being in HoF??
I love coked up Bruce.
Are you guys ever going to do a Batista episode please please please
I didn't think WWF went to Charlotte in the late 80s. I thought the Crockett's owned the Carolinas during that time.
Bruce was feeling good in the beginning lol.
Wait "the World's Most Dangerous Man" wasn't a WWF idea? I always gave them props for that. But it kind of makes sense, he kept that name the afterwards and WWF wasn't actually that good at nicknames if you think about it. Especially if you know they even messed it up in the beginning calling him the World's Most Dangerous Human being or something weird like that.
IT IS AN ABSOLUTE JOKE THAT KEN ISN'T IN THE HOF AND THAT HE HASNT BEEN BACK TO DO BUSINESS. WWE IS A PARODY OF IT'S FORMER SELF.
I would LOVE to see him back at Wrestlemania for a Brock v Lashley in a Lions Den match with MMA rules with Shamrock as guest Referee for the WWE Championship.
It's also a perfect year to induct him in the HOF. He goes in & is special guest Referee.
@@FlyBoyEnterprises Oh hell yeah man, that would be tight af. I'm honestly disgusted...and why...because hhh doesn't like him? Tf is that shit
The hall of fame is kayefabe. It's an absolute joke of something that's an absolute joke. They're making a joke of their joke . That's a shamerock...
17:40 love the carry stuff
That Ken Shamrock vs Vader match was stiff. Shamrock kicked Vaders legs too hard and broke Vaders nose with a knee. Vader punched Shamrock and Shamrock spun around.
Why is the thumb nail aew colors and writing? Weird
Its a conspiracy! 😆
Bruce is Alive
How would the Stu Hart Dungeon match have happened after the Montreal Screwjob? This is absurd. This totally exposes the Montreal Screwjob as being a work. There is no way Stu Hart would let Vince McMahon use his dungeon for anything after Vince screwed Bret Hart over at Survivor Series 1997 just months before if the Screwjob was a shoot.
no it wasn't a work you're wrong
you're an imbecile Montreal was real
@@michaelrubin9547 What evidence is there the Montreal Screwjob was a shoot?
@@QuestioningOurReality his ex wife said so also brets brother in law said it as well as Rick rude vouched for it when bischoff thought it may have been an Angle you're an idiot
Ken was a beast in his day! When people talk about how bad Khabib is I think of Ken line no way could Khabib tiny self handle him in his day no way Ken just to big and powerful. Like if they met in the no weight class times Ken would mop the floor with all the current roaster I’m sure!
I was just about to say well yeah hed win hes in a diff weight class ! Good point about the old school no weight class ufc. Shamrocks a legend for sure.
Conrad loves mentioning Arn for Bruce to shit on him lol
He was a waste of time
His sister in crowd was the only good angle
Lmao
Sister Shamrock was the least of the WWF “Divas.”
Ken and Kurt Angle should have been brought in at Royal Rumble 97' and co won together went on to wm13 in also a draw until SummerSlam and him and Kurt in the first match and he barely defeats Kurt..being the winner he main events against the winner between Bret Hart vs Undertaker..Bret vs Shamrock has a twist as Kurt helps Shamrock win in turn leads to a (Bret)Canada vs (Kurt)USA feud making wrestling history.. Shamrock ends up at battling Steve Austin at survivor series.. while Shawn and taker is feuding.. Kurt and Bret have a loser leaves WWF in turn Bret goes to WCW and USA/KURT wins feud
This show has seriously jumped the shark, between the sporadic episodes to the 50% advertising time, it is unbearable to me
Then why are you still listening or commenting?
I've been listening since episode 4, and this show is mostly banter. They spend very little time on the topics. I still listen, because every now and then they have a decent episode.
Your mom jumped the shark to my d bizotch
Ken Shamrock was a tough wrestler…..
Mushroom caps vs the ant eaters
Bulldog would've murdered Shamrock in a legit arm wrestling contest.
1989 ken spicy meatball fettucini
Virgil is the goat guys u are all misguided trust me
I hosed out my mud shed
55:25 “well, you know…”
slap me!!
Vince torelli
No mention of Ken's childhood or the Nasty Boys incident in 1990. Pass
No nasty boys stuff? Fuck i wanted to hear about that and the airport follow up
1:03:20 LOL
It's Ken Shamrock's fault for his lack of progress in WWF. He didn't seem like he had a focus or goals for what he was trying to achieve. So if WWF didn't do anything with Ken after his main event match with Shawn Micahels at DX In Your House, that's his fault for not sticking up for himself and trying to position himself to stay on the top of the card.
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