True, same for me. Bigclivedotcom is such a pleasing narrator that these videos should be broadcast in hospitals to sooth the patients. And I'm not even joking.
I'll add to that. I can see Bigclive doing inflight airplane videos, taking apart a jet engine and telling how beautiful designed it all is. You know, to calm the passengers ... ;-)
Right?! And not only watching it, but *looking forward* to watching it before even clicking on it. "Ooh -- I wonder what amazing, interesting thing Clive has found for us today!"
I've been fascinated by how everyday things work since I was a little boy, so I love your videos. There's so much hard work, expertise, and just plain cleverness squirreled away in the devices all around us we take for granted. Thanks for posting this... and all your other videos.
@Joe T the only big problem is the availability of parts, especially for cheap devices. You can replace a lot of electrical stuff but if some mechanic components fail you are screwed most of the time.
I don't know if you've seen them, but look at "The Secret Life of Machines" with Tim Hunkin. Proper 80s/90s British "I've made this in my damp shed using a mig welder and the contents of the bin" documentaries.
I have been a subscriber of yours for a number of years now. Thank you Clive for videoing this. My Hotpoint 520 uses a similar interlock which seemed to have gone faulty after about 14 years use. I had no clue how the interlock system could be removed from the machine until I watched this video. Also I managed to repair it after understanding how it all actually works. Repairing it was just a case of carefully opening up the solenoid module attached to the interlock and spaying the moving parts and springs with silicone spray. On a side note: I looked after my mum & dad throughout 2022. My dad suffering from Alzheimer's and my mum bed bound, your video of you telling the story of you and your brother Ralph looking after your mum helped me so much mentally. Thank you again.
WOW... i work on washer all day and wonder how these and why they work. and i see now why i have to wait a min or two for the lock to cool down to unlock. safety first on the spinning to stop all the way... and yes renters of homes break off the handle of door or damage the door lock because the think it is stuck shut... and they just pull until something breaks... i repair these doors every month someone gives me a job... Haha... another great video... thank you...
This was great. I always wondered what sensors would prevent me opening the door of my washing machine when its display said "-0-". It indeed takes about a minute, and is acompanied by a loud CLUNGG sound. Fascinating! No moisture sensors, movement sensors, just a bit of bi-metalic and a piece of plastic.
Thank you Big Clive. I had an issue with the door interlock on my machine and after listening to this video, I cleaned the PTC and associated contacts. Job done, all sorted. Many thanks.
I hate movies and shows in which every action on a computer makes some kind of noise! For instance when they open up a picture or file and it beeps, would make you go crazy in real life.
@@kazumahikineet3090 -- Indeed !! The "enhance, enhance" nonsense is just that; nonsense. But the stupid noises for each digital 'movement' are utter irritation. Reminds me of automatically sliding doors in old space/scifi movies always making electronic sounds to let us know they were there. But at least that has gone now, since we have them in the present.
So glad i found your video!!! I've tried everything to open my washing machine door, the nylon string trick, the credit card trick, the tapping on the door trick , the green tab (which i didn't have ) but all i needed was to push the wee tab back in thank you 🙏 now to replace the lock 😀 👍 You need to do a short version for people this would save a lot of money and stress
Nice exploration and explanation of the safety interlock Mr C. It is very useful understanding how a thing works when you are faced with fixing a broken one. I note for those with locks that do not open reliably that the fixes from the comments seem to be : Remove the plastic sliding strip. Or increase the size of the hole in the sliding strip. Or remove the lock pin. Or bypass the lock by rewiring it to disconnect the PTC and permanently apply power to the machine. Or buy a new lock and replace it, they are inexpensive. Note that the machine model name and number needed to buy a new lock are on a sticker on front of machine inside door. To get your stuck door open use plastic cord/fishing line wrapped round door, pushed in with flathead screwdriver - to tug towards hinge side of door on latch. Or slap panel hard to reset lock. There are other methods in RUclips videos. From other videos the method to fit the new lock is : undo the clip round the rubber door seal and push the seal back inside the drum. Undo the screws holding the door lock and fish it out from the gap between the drum and the front plate. Unplug old lock, plug in new lock. Screw new lock back in behind panel, replace door seal, refit clip. My lock is sticking and I will probably buy a new one when I get tired of opening the door with fishing line. Stay Safe :-)
Fisher and Paykel use solenoid locks but if the mains power is cut while spinning they generate their own power through the direct drive stepper motor. It's a fascinating design when you look at how they do it on the main board which dates back to the 1990's.
I blew the plug by my washing machine long ago and have been using a thick cord from a close receptacle. I always leave it plugged in after its done because I thought it needed the power to open, and sure enough, last night, you're video is correct. Awesome video
I love efficient design. Channels like this one go a long way towards sowing the public how things work and the effort that goes into designing even the smallest disposable components. The world would be a better place if more people were curious about the things they touch every day.
Thanks for the video, managed to fix my interlock which had come apart (slammed door) thanks to your teardown 😎👍 Ingenious little mechanism indeed. My PTC thermister had come loose and fallen down into the bottom of the casing along with 2 little brackets. It's only a tiny savings but it saved a lot of complaining while waiting for a replacement 😂
Better design than my recently failed 'outwardly identical' unit. Mine had PTC & wax in a tiny bellows button (wax motor). Bellows ruptured and wax extruded. No bimetalic strip. Thanks for the dissection.
was thinking that could be done better /simpler with a wax motor. Had to laugh, not at your misfortune Sir, that they managed to shittify that too, thanks for your post, FIYAFE!
I repair the washing machines at a local launderette. Most of the machines are the 1980's Electrolux Wascator W74, if anyone knows what that means. With these, the equivalent part of the machine has three microswitches, all normally open. Two are closed by prongs when the door is shut. The third is closed when the locking lever is moved over by a solenoid, preventing the door catch from releasing. All three have to be closed for the machine to run. The delay circuit is a large capacitor and some resistors.This is energised while the machine is running, and feeds the solenoid. When the machine finishes and the power is off, the capacitor discharges, and after about 30 seconds there's a clunk when the solenoid can no longer hold in. Then the customer can open the door. The aluminium door catch and locking lever eventually wear, then you get customers pulling the door open before the machine has finished, and issues where the machine will stop part way through the cycle. The machines are cleverly designed and easy to work on.
Modern, more expensive washing machines have drum brakes and an electronic lock that is opened by the onboard computer. When power fails, the washing machine is permanently closed, until you go into the service door and pull an unlatching handle. The problem with these heater mechanisms is simple. When power fails, it'll unlatch, even if the washing machine is full of water. You'll 100% not notice in the dark and open the door. As to failure modes in this mechanism, it's the ceramic block. It will crumble over the span of 10 years (average washing machine lifespan), collect electrical arc marks and stop heating up enough to latch.
I repaired my own dryer a few months back. I was so delighted by just how electromechanical everything was. No electronics. Just big obvious stuff. My cottage oven was the same way.
Very simple meck one bimetal strip, one heater, one microswitch so simple a clever fellow that designed it we used to replace loads of them when I was a white goods engineer Indesit were always going wrong people would phone up to say I can't get my washing out help nice video as always Clive
My old Zanussi has that! - So is a four way interlock. Five, if you consider that as the water level operates two hydrostatic devices, 1: A hydrostatic mechanical blocker on the door interlock, and 2: a hydrostatic switch that only connects the system controller to mains when the water reaches a specific level, ergo, the machine won't start unless the door is closed, AND, the drum contains sufficient water. Similarly, the door doesn't open if there is water in the drum (power or not), and the system controller is "off-lined" if the drum should lose its water, e.g. a torn hose or bellows connector, or any other cause of leakage, e.g. user drain plug is not fully tightened.
The old Hotpoint 95 series had a pressure operated interlock that only locked electrically when the drain pump operated and they used to make a weird buzzing noise
I have a bosch washing machine that displays door error and I came across this part DM070 and I had a good look and now I find you actually made a video on it!
genius design or not the time lock was so annoying, making me forget about the clothes so often i came here and learnt how to slice out that bitch little piece of plastic. such a relief, thank you Clive
I indeed changed this very same locking device of my washing machine a few months ago. It lasted more than 10years! I opened (obviosly) and the ptc was desintagrated. It was rated for 16A so i thought the entire amperage of the machine was flowing trough this litttle device and deduced had some thermal mechanics (well i was a tiny bit right) Great video man!!
Mother had a Kenmore washer that she bought in the early sixties, and still used it in 1996, when she passed. Had to have the belts replace one time, no other problems, EVER. You could run it with the lid open, no safety interlocks back then. We had more sense than to mess with it while it was running. duh. A clothesline was the only drier.
I replaced a lid lock on a top loading washing machine that used a pulsed latching solenoid. The solenoid was pulsed to lock the lid before the spin cycle, and then pulsed again to unlock the lid once the tub stopped spinning. If the machine was unplugged during the spin cycle, the machine would remain locked until it was plugged back in and the cycle finished or canceled.
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True that. My front load washer won't "click" to allow opening until after the drum is idle for about 5 seconds. AND, if even while it is just filling with water, you have to press "pause" and wait 5 seconds before you can add more clothes. Genius!!!
Lucky you. Mine takes roughly 2 minutes to cool down*, which is super annoying when the drum resistance means that it stops spinning within 5-10 seconds of being stopped/having power cut. * Ambient is typically 25-40 C depending upon season/weather.
I looked for an email address to send this to, but alas I had no luck. I just wanted you to know how much your channel means to me. A little over two years ago I went through four horrible life changing events. 1st was a terribly nasty divorce from extremely difficult and equally hateful ex-wife. 2nd was finding out I had colon cancer about the time the divorce was being finalized. 3rd I had reconnected with an ex-girlfriend that I had always held a special place in my heart for. She got really close to my mom while we dated and put on the best show of fake emotions I had ever seen. Little did I know the entire thing was just a very well planned and executed plot of revenge. 4th I had moved in with this chick(her idea by the way). The only reason I even agreed was because my parents were moving to the coast to get away from the mountains where we lived for close to 20 years. The day before my first chemo treatment she came home and told me that I needed to get a storage unit and move out right away. Mind you my parents had already moved 4 hours away from me and there was nothing I could do about it. Since the time of these unfortunate events I have been done with chemo for over a year and a half. I've been living on the coast with my parents for almost 2 years. All that being said it brings us to the immense value your channel holds for me. I've always been a tinkering guy that has always been interested in how things operate and function. After those tragic events I developed a sever case of PTSD, anxiety, and depression. I can't leave the house without someone being with me because I will suffer a crippling panic. Since I really haven't been able to leave the house very much I've started tinkering pretty heavy to keep myself busy so keep my mind off every thing that's happened. Your channel gives me me the same thing every day. I appreciate you and your channel. Keep up this great content and keep it coming.
I've noticed a pattern of cancer being associated with a stressful life. You may have made the right move. Don't underestimate the freedom of single life.
@@bigclivedotcom Very true. I'm sure the stress probably has allot to do with it but I was a master automotive paint technician and transitioned to painting airplanes and helicopters. Supposedly the chemicals and paints I had been using caused it. All I can do now is live the best life I can for myself how ever long that may be. Plus single life isn't so bad anyway. If I want to start my day off with a beer and continue that trend until I go to sleep at night no one can tell me any different. Being of German and Irish decent I don't even have the slightest problem with that.
This was very interesting. Have always wondered how it stayed locked and then unlocked itself, even without any power. Had never considering the spinning drum issue either, had always presumed it was just to keep the water in.
Some newer washing machines will automatically turn on and apply inductive (regenerative) brakes if the drum is spun and the door is opened. It's quite a clever safety feature.
Great video, really helped me out when my old interlock switch fell apart on opening. Just couldn't figure out where one small piece of metal went. Even though my switch was slightly different the principle of operation proved the key.
I always thought that it was done using a solenoid and capacitors as the lock still functions if the mains supply is removed , nice to learn how its really done
I'm fairly sure that SOME machines DO work that way...for example Wascomat machines(used in laundromats), show a light on the front panel after the machine stops, which goes out to indicate that the door is unlocked-the light going out is accompanied by a loud "THUNK" sound, which I'm pretty sure is the solenoid being powered off and and the latch releasing. These machines are front-loaders, of course.
i was wondering if maybe the ptc lost connection from that bimetallic strip since it had that other strip it kinda hooked down to but glad you showed at the end what was going on i was kinda lost thinking the strip bent the other way before that point lol. also iv seen press or punch press video that showed them mass producing little spade ends and electrical connectors for relays and stuff and the amount of steps they go through to get the end part is crazy and just how accurate the little parts are amazed me. after seeing the inside of that kinda made me think back to how all that stuff is made. its very thought out and just so crazy how fast they can make that kinda stuff.
my bimetallic strip probably burnt put and stopped working....so I inserted a small piece of silicone rubber, pressing down the contact strip with the case cover to permanently close the circuit...of course I had to remove the locking pin first so that i could still unlatch the door.
How fascinating! For many years I always assumed it was a solenoid with a capacitor that caused the release delay even when un-plugged. That's why you should never assume :)
Thinking about it, the 3 watts constantly used by the lock is wasteful, considering the millions of them in operation. Perhaps another fail-safe solution should be found.
Simon Tay a ton of Zimbabwean dollars. but really one is an imported Nissan and the door relay is not available in my country at all. would be pricey to ship it from Japan. and good luck finding some of the main relays in a 280z at all
Many North American models use a wax motor to "lock" the door shut. The time delay created by the cooling down of the wax before the door will unlock ensures the drum has come to a complete stop if it were on high spin when power was lost.
I've got one of these things on my top loader. It's a real pain, the washer is micro processor controlled and it has a speed sensor on the motor that senses when the drum is rotating and as long as it's rotating it will not go to the next cycle nor can you open the top. Unfortunately when the motor stops it keeps spinning under it's own momentum for about 5 minutes not including the time delay in the micro processor. I've had the thing apart to try and bypass it, but it's impossible. So I just took the interlock actuator off the door and permanently put it in the switch itself. Now I can open the door whenever I want, no kids in the house, only competent adults, so it's not a threat.
SIMPLY Awsome!! Well explained, Very clear audio and video, Very Systematic approach, From the basics (including bimetal physics) to the details!! Great job!
My job is to repair laundry equipment. You have no idea how many people complain about a safety item such as this. One of these to be replaced is about ~$300.
I just took mine off and jumpered it out so the microcontroller will think the door is closed this way I can adjust the amount of soap I add and put in extra cloths if I wish. Save us from the nanny state. The PTC thing can also be found in modern fridges. It prevents the compressor from starting until it gets cool.
@@bigclivedotcom Clive, if you cycle the compressor on and off by unplugging it too frequently, the relay which includes the little disk, starts to click but the compressor wouldn't start for a while. Then if you come back a while latter, the fridge is working as it should. It acts as some thermal protection for the compressor.
@@felixcat4346 I never knew that! There's often a "quick chill" option on freezers, that when pressed starts the compressor (probably not all it does but it doesn't matter in this instance). Turning it off and back on, it doesn't start right away. I didn't realize that was a PTC too! That's really neat.
@@felixcat4346 The compressors will stall if turned off and on again while running because of the pressure of the gas. They need a pressure balancing time between runs.
Also I think that the plastic locking pin has signs of refinement too: it seems its end is shaped like a dovetail, presumably to reliably engage the bolt.
the bi-metallic strip is the little piece behind the PTC which touches the adjustment screw.. the strip pushes the PTC pallet into the copper spring latch.. this is done for a couple reasons; 1.. allows a safety contact to the PTC and 2.. keeps the bi-metallic piece hotter for longer (but without having the piece get too hot which would melt or deform the plastic housing.. the copper end will dissipate the excess heat and allow for thermal-expansion)
Interesting I recently had to fix the switch on my top loading machine. It was also easy to replace by taking out two screws that keep the lid closed and lifting the top of the machine up - it is hinged at the back. The switch just fits into a rectangular slotted hole under the lid (no screws needed) and it is Normally Open and is actuated by a pin when the top closes. No time delay needed. Similar price. Satisfying when you can avoid an expensive visit by the official fixers to do something so simple
If you can get your hands on the thermal cutoff switch from an electric shower there's a more impressive version of a bimetallic strip. Instead of a strip they use a disk with a slight dome, which pops from convex to concave at a given temperature, which pushes down a button under the disk, which opens contacts to disconnect the power to the shower heating element.
Mein Gott, Helga! That is a very simplified interlock. You'll have to take my word for it, because I ain't wreckin' me washin' machine just to prove it, but my 25(ish) year old Zanussi has a far more sophisticated interlock than that, though the PTC pill is the same, it also has two microswitches and a hydrostatic blocking mechanism. . The basic principal is clearly the same, but in my machine, the time delay is around 5 minutes before the lock will release, this I assume is because this machine has a "Boil" option, and therefore needs longer to cool down from such a high temperature - with only one thermal interlock, it's a case of catering for the worst case scenario. A very interesting video to see, and quite enlightening.
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Washing machines come with a ten year parts warrantee, so you only change the washing every ten years. I am amazed at how cheap they are my wife just bought a new hotpoint as our old machine died after 9 years. it cost £285 delivered. This machine has a balance system so it does not go into a high spin unless the clothes are evenly distributed, and does not bounce all over the floor. Now that is clever. How they make them for that price I do not know as the retailer has his cut and then the delivery costs have to be taken out.
My Indesit load balances by detecting the motor speed ramping up and down with an unbalanced load. It also jolts the drum occasionally to see if it can separate clumped clothes.
We use Yokogawa WT310e power analyzers for measuring single phase equipment. It can display four different measurements at a time but I think it is in a different price range.
There's another advantage in having the thermistor make contact directly with the mechanism. It will rub very lightly against the contact surfaces and keep the contact relatively clean of oxidation.
Great explanation. I have a machine that fills with water but the drum never turns. The door mechanically locks and after no power for 2 minutes it will unlocks. However I never get a light indicating that the door is locked. I am suspecting the door lock.
I tried to by pass mine one time. I fucked it up and some how fried the damn Circuit board.... luckily I found the part replaced it and then called to have it warranted and they never even noticed I was in there lol. The guy was like “Yeah some how the Circuit board that shorted out”. 🤣
If you really want to see how cost can get designed out, compare a new machine with one say 20 years old. I recently pensioned off a '96 vintage Zanussi as the motor was starting to get rumbly and 2-month old Zanussi one came my way for way less than the cost of a new motor and here are a couple of examples. The hose from the detergent dispenser to the tub is now incorporated in the door seal rubber. This has the additional advantage that the whole dispenser box is flushed clean of detergent. Instead of having a mechanical linkage to divert the incoming water to the individual compartments in the dispenser, the new one uses two valves and some fluidics to direct the flow three ways. As for the door latch it's electromechanical, driven from the controller. If it's safe to open the door it'll let you.
Took mine to bits after seeing this and it fell to bits when I was pushing it around don't know who puts these together but to get that little u shaped piece of copper back is a nightmare it is just balances between the 2 parts of that copper strip and the metal piece fell out as well. So while it is simple is very delicate to put together. Getting a new one anyway but I thought I might try to mend. Thanks for showing this as I could not work out how it works I still do not understand what happens when it heats and the bit that pushes the pin down makes contact with the strip below.
I hate the time delay. I never could understand it. The damn door won't open for ages after the program has finished and the drum has stopped. There should be a a way to override it so I can OPEN THE BLOODY DOOR!
@@rlowens disconnecting the heater won't work on my machine, because it has special contacts to detect if the lock has engaged or not (and it won't start unless the lock is engaged). I had to enlarge the hole in the metal plate to defeat the lock.
I have toploader made by Electrolux and it seems to have a latching relay lock. As soons as the machine has done its thing, it simply clicks (more like small bang actually) and you can open it. It would be interesting to see one of those locks dissected. I guess these might have 2 relays inside or some clever way of one solenoid + permanent magnet magic.
I'm quite scared that Google decided to recommend me this video the day after I had a fight with a washing machine door that wouldn't let me access my clothes. Somebody hold me.
i have a bosch and you can open the door (provided its not spinning i presume) by holding in 2 buttons, so it must operate completely different to this, it is though of course a digital program as opposed to a traditional mechanical one
The problem with these interlocks is when they fail in the locked position you can’t open the door and you have to get inside the machine and try and break the lock off. I’ve had to do this many a time. ( I’m a retired domestic appliance engineer )
I took care of a laundromat that had several $6000 front loaders. Every one had the handle or front door bent because people wouldn't wait for the time delay. The domestic top loaders have their switches get gummed up by spilled gooey soap. I started a side business selling used washers from all the easy fix machines people throw out. I charge $5 to haul them away, fix and then sell them.
The amount of annoyance that timer has created compared to the few Darwin award candidates that had put their appendages in a spinning machine is incredible.
Mine doesn't have this type of interlock in it. When you turn the machine on, the door can be opened or closed at will until you start the cycle. If you need to add a sock, you press pause, and so long as the machine is not full of water, it will let you add the sock. The door locks and unlocks with 2 rather disturbing clunks. I'm guessing its a pair of latching solenoids, as when it is powered off mid cycle, the door remains locked. It also retains memory of what it was doing prior to loosing power, and resumes the cycle once power is restored.
I always assumed it stayed latched after you unplug the machine by means of timed relay powered by a battery or capacitor. Quite simple but effective. And interesting
We get loads of these Hotpoint/Indesit ones coming in the workshop with the door lock wiring loom burnt out as the connectors they use are really crap and overheat
You're the only man on the internet that can make me watch a 20 min videos about a washing machine door lock timer out of choice.
Same here, i was hooked.. Haa Boom !.
True, same for me. Bigclivedotcom is such a pleasing narrator that these videos should be broadcast in hospitals to sooth the patients. And I'm not even joking.
I'll add to that. I can see Bigclive doing inflight airplane videos, taking apart a jet engine and telling how beautiful designed it all is. You know, to calm the passengers ... ;-)
Right?! And not only watching it, but *looking forward* to watching it before even clicking on it. "Ooh -- I wonder what amazing, interesting thing Clive has found for us today!"
Whaaat? I click EVERY washing machine door interlock I can find. Who's this clive guy?
I've been fascinated by how everyday things work since I was a little boy, so I love your videos. There's so much hard work, expertise, and just plain cleverness squirreled away in the devices all around us we take for granted. Thanks for posting this... and all your other videos.
@Joe T the only big problem is the availability of parts, especially for cheap devices. You can replace a lot of electrical stuff but if some mechanic components fail you are screwed most of the time.
@J0e T as xd
I don't know if you've seen them, but look at "The Secret Life of Machines" with Tim Hunkin. Proper 80s/90s British "I've made this in my damp shed using a mig welder and the contents of the bin" documentaries.
I have been a subscriber of yours for a number of years now.
Thank you Clive for videoing this. My Hotpoint 520 uses a similar interlock which seemed to have gone faulty after about 14 years use. I had no clue how the interlock system could be removed from the machine until I watched this video. Also I managed to repair it after understanding how it all actually works. Repairing it was just a case of carefully opening up the solenoid module attached to the interlock and spaying the moving parts and springs with silicone spray.
On a side note: I looked after my mum & dad throughout 2022. My dad suffering from Alzheimer's and my mum bed bound, your video of you telling the story of you and your brother Ralph looking after your mum helped me so much mentally.
Thank you again.
Civilization: 1. Fire 2. The Pyramids 3. Washing machine door interlock with time delay
In the case of Hotpoint and Indesit: ... 4. Washing machine door interlock catches fire.
I saw another version.
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WOW... i work on washer all day and wonder how these and why they work. and i see now why i have to wait a min or two for the lock to cool down to unlock. safety first on the spinning to stop all the way... and yes renters of homes break off the handle of door or damage the door lock because the think it is stuck shut... and they just pull until something breaks... i repair these doors every month someone gives me a job... Haha... another great video... thank you...
This was great. I always wondered what sensors would prevent me opening the door of my washing machine when its display said "-0-". It indeed takes about a minute, and is acompanied by a loud CLUNGG sound. Fascinating! No moisture sensors, movement sensors, just a bit of bi-metalic and a piece of plastic.
Not even a piece of bi-metallic.
Thank you Big Clive. I had an issue with the door interlock on my machine and after listening to this video, I cleaned the PTC and associated contacts. Job done, all sorted. Many thanks.
"There's only so far a digital zoom can go"... haven't you watched CSI? Enhance... enhance...
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I hate movies etc. that do that, it makes explaining computer problems/errors/weirdnesses so much harder to inexperienced computer users
Resolution of digital zoom in TV shows is limited only by quantum effects.
I hate movies and shows in which every action on a computer makes some kind of noise! For instance when they open up a picture or file and it beeps, would make you go crazy in real life.
@@kazumahikineet3090 -- Indeed !! The "enhance, enhance" nonsense is just that; nonsense. But the stupid noises for each digital 'movement' are utter irritation. Reminds me of automatically sliding doors in old space/scifi movies always making electronic sounds to let us know they were there. But at least that has gone now, since we have them in the present.
So glad i found your video!!! I've tried everything to open my washing machine door, the nylon string trick, the credit card trick, the tapping on the door trick , the green tab (which i didn't have ) but all i needed was to push the wee tab back in thank you 🙏 now to replace the lock 😀 👍
You need to do a short version for people this would save a lot of money and stress
I love the fact that you said that no one would take this apart to fix it, but of course you did, as would I. Thanks Big Clive ! Love your videos.
That realy is a genius design. I always though the delay was created by some sort of slow discharge capacitor. Thanks for the explanation Clive
I always assumed that it was capacitor discharge that controlled the release.
Mine (Bosch) take five minutes to unlatch.
Nice exploration and explanation of the safety interlock Mr C. It is very useful understanding how a thing works when you are faced with fixing a broken one.
I note for those with locks that do not open reliably that the fixes from the comments seem to be : Remove the plastic sliding strip. Or increase the size of the hole in the sliding strip. Or remove the lock pin. Or bypass the lock by rewiring it to disconnect the PTC and permanently apply power to the machine. Or buy a new lock and replace it, they are inexpensive.
Note that the machine model name and number needed to buy a new lock are on a sticker on front of machine inside door. To get your stuck door open use plastic cord/fishing line wrapped round door, pushed in with flathead screwdriver - to tug towards hinge side of door on latch. Or slap panel hard to reset lock. There are other methods in RUclips videos.
From other videos the method to fit the new lock is : undo the clip round the rubber door seal and push the seal back inside the drum. Undo the screws holding the door lock and fish it out from the gap between the drum and the front plate. Unplug old lock, plug in new lock. Screw new lock back in behind panel, replace door seal, refit clip.
My lock is sticking and I will probably buy a new one when I get tired of opening the door with fishing line. Stay Safe :-)
The dark metal piece that sits on the adjusting screw is the bi-metal strip. It arches its back when it heats up.
yep :)
Fisher and Paykel use solenoid locks but if the mains power is cut while spinning they generate their own power through the direct drive stepper motor.
It's a fascinating design when you look at how they do it on the main board which dates back to the 1990's.
I blew the plug by my washing machine long ago and have been using a thick cord from a close receptacle. I always leave it plugged in after its done because I thought it needed the power to open, and sure enough, last night, you're video is correct. Awesome video
Amazing design! A great example of how spending more per unit on design can drop your materials bill and lower your per-unit cost.
I love efficient design. Channels like this one go a long way towards sowing the public how things work and the effort that goes into designing even the smallest disposable components. The world would be a better place if more people were curious about the things they touch every day.
"The world would be a better place" it probably would.
Thanks for the video, managed to fix my interlock which had come apart (slammed door) thanks to your teardown 😎👍
Ingenious little mechanism indeed. My PTC thermister had come loose and fallen down into the bottom of the casing along with 2 little brackets. It's only a tiny savings but it saved a lot of complaining while waiting for a replacement 😂
Better design than my recently failed 'outwardly identical' unit. Mine had PTC & wax in a tiny bellows button (wax motor). Bellows ruptured and wax extruded. No bimetalic strip. Thanks for the dissection.
was thinking that could be done better /simpler with a wax motor. Had to laugh, not at your misfortune Sir, that they managed to shittify that too, thanks for your post, FIYAFE!
I repair the washing machines at a local launderette. Most of the machines are the 1980's Electrolux Wascator W74, if anyone knows what that means.
With these, the equivalent part of the machine has three microswitches, all normally open. Two are closed by prongs when the door is shut. The third is closed when the locking lever is moved over by a solenoid, preventing the door catch from releasing. All three have to be closed for the machine to run.
The delay circuit is a large capacitor and some resistors.This is energised while the machine is running, and feeds the solenoid. When the machine finishes and the power is off, the capacitor discharges, and after about 30 seconds there's a clunk when the solenoid can no longer hold in. Then the customer can open the door.
The aluminium door catch and locking lever eventually wear, then you get customers pulling the door open before the machine has finished, and issues where the machine will stop part way through the cycle. The machines are cleverly designed and easy to work on.
Modern, more expensive washing machines have drum brakes and an electronic lock that is opened by the onboard computer.
When power fails, the washing machine is permanently closed, until you go into the service door and pull an unlatching handle.
The problem with these heater mechanisms is simple. When power fails, it'll unlatch, even if the washing machine is full of water. You'll 100% not notice in the dark and open the door.
As to failure modes in this mechanism, it's the ceramic block. It will crumble over the span of 10 years (average washing machine lifespan), collect electrical arc marks and stop heating up enough to latch.
You have about 70% of all my household electronics questions covered here on YT. Good job sir.
How can you turn a boring washing machine door lock into a fascinating dissection? You are an amazing man in a lot of ways!
Absolutely amazed Clive is the best Clive to see. Great engineering, no matter how simple the item is still marvelous to see.
Make the ultimate HOPI meter, with no visible multiplexing, and all the read outs you're most interested in. Pink deathdaptor interface optional!
How about a Hopi Quiktest, that could be verrrrry useful for clive :)
I repaired my own dryer a few months back. I was so delighted by just how electromechanical everything was. No electronics. Just big obvious stuff. My cottage oven was the same way.
amazing content sir ,, you are the only one on the internet who showing the power consumption of the lock ,, thank you !!
Very simple meck one bimetal strip, one heater, one microswitch so simple a clever fellow that designed it we used to replace loads of them when I was a white goods engineer Indesit were always going wrong people would phone up to say I can't get my washing out help nice video as always Clive
Some machines also have an air hose from the water level sensing system to stop the door being opened if the machine has water left in it.
Luckily mine just turns off the motor, and applies a break to the drum. If i see something i forgot i can open it, and throw it in.
Some machines heat the water too up to 90C.
My old Zanussi has that! - So is a four way interlock. Five, if you consider that as the water level operates two hydrostatic devices, 1: A hydrostatic mechanical blocker on the door interlock, and 2: a hydrostatic switch that only connects the system controller to mains when the water reaches a specific level, ergo, the machine won't start unless the door is closed, AND, the drum contains sufficient water. Similarly, the door doesn't open if there is water in the drum (power or not), and the system controller is "off-lined" if the drum should lose its water, e.g. a torn hose or bellows connector, or any other cause of leakage, e.g. user drain plug is not fully tightened.
The old Hotpoint 95 series had a pressure operated interlock that only locked electrically when the drain pump operated and they used to make a weird buzzing noise
@@erikjohansson1814 Clive should get a thermal camera on that strip- at 90c the door might not open either way because of the temperature
Thank you for this detailed explanation. You saved my day. I finally fix my wash machine.
I have a bosch washing machine that displays door error and I came across this part DM070 and I had a good look and now I find you actually made a video on it!
genius design or not the time lock was so annoying, making me forget about the clothes so often i came here and learnt how to slice out that bitch little piece of plastic. such a relief, thank you Clive
I indeed changed this very same locking device of my washing machine a few months ago. It lasted more than 10years!
I opened (obviosly) and the ptc was desintagrated.
It was rated for 16A so i thought the entire amperage of the machine was flowing trough this litttle device and deduced had some thermal mechanics (well i was a tiny bit right)
Great video man!!
A sort of physical-thermal analog of the molecular complimentary of enzyme active site binding. Brilliant.
Mother had a Kenmore washer that she bought in the early sixties, and still used it in 1996, when she passed. Had to have the belts replace one time, no other problems, EVER. You could run it with the lid open, no safety interlocks back then. We had more sense than to mess with it while it was running. duh.
A clothesline was the only drier.
Thank you Very Much Steve, I had resolved my washing machine door lock issue.
You're welcome Betty.
I replaced a lid lock on a top loading washing machine that used a pulsed latching solenoid. The solenoid was pulsed to lock the lid before the spin cycle, and then pulsed again to unlock the lid once the tub stopped spinning. If the machine was unplugged during the spin cycle, the machine would remain locked until it was plugged back in and the cycle finished or canceled.
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True that. My front load washer won't "click" to allow opening until after the drum is idle for about 5 seconds. AND, if even while it is just filling with water, you have to press "pause" and wait 5 seconds before you can add more clothes. Genius!!!
Lucky you. Mine takes roughly 2 minutes to cool down*, which is super annoying when the drum resistance means that it stops spinning within 5-10 seconds of being stopped/having power cut.
* Ambient is typically 25-40 C depending upon season/weather.
Great topic! I always wondered how the door opens with the power to the machine unplugged
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Always cool to see cost optimised safety critical stuff, my day job is railway signalling so also safety critical but anything but cost optimised.
This was very interesting. Have always wondered how it stayed locked and then unlocked itself, even without any power. Had never considering the spinning drum issue either, had always presumed it was just to keep the water in.
Some newer washing machines will automatically turn on and apply inductive (regenerative) brakes if the drum is spun and the door is opened. It's quite a clever safety feature.
Great video, really helped me out when my old interlock switch fell apart on opening. Just couldn't figure out where one small piece of metal went. Even though my switch was slightly different the principle of operation proved the key.
I always thought that it was done using a solenoid and capacitors as the lock still functions if the mains supply is removed , nice to learn how its really done
Thats exactly what I assumed too!
I'm fairly sure that SOME machines DO work that way...for example Wascomat machines(used in laundromats), show a light on the front panel after the machine stops, which goes out to indicate that the door is unlocked-the light going out is accompanied by a loud "THUNK" sound, which I'm pretty sure is the solenoid being powered off and and the latch releasing.
These machines are front-loaders, of course.
i was wondering if maybe the ptc lost connection from that bimetallic strip since it had that other strip it kinda hooked down to but glad you showed at the end what was going on i was kinda lost thinking the strip bent the other way before that point lol. also iv seen press or punch press video that showed them mass producing little spade ends and electrical connectors for relays and stuff and the amount of steps they go through to get the end part is crazy and just how accurate the little parts are amazed me. after seeing the inside of that kinda made me think back to how all that stuff is made. its very thought out and just so crazy how fast they can make that kinda stuff.
Damn, Clive is good at making mundane stuff look interesting!
my bimetallic strip probably burnt put and stopped working....so I inserted a small piece of silicone rubber, pressing down the contact strip with the case cover to permanently close the circuit...of course I had to remove the locking pin first so that i could still unlatch the door.
How fascinating! For many years I always assumed it was a solenoid with a capacitor that caused the release delay even when un-plugged. That's why you should never assume :)
Thats exactly what I assumed too!
Thinking about it, the 3 watts constantly used by the lock is wasteful, considering the millions of them in operation. Perhaps another fail-safe solution should be found.
Thank you! Finally I could fix doorlock malfunction of my dumbass samsung washer with your video!
i love taking relays apart and cleaning them up. it's saved me a ton of money keeping 30+ year old nissans on the road
Saved you A LOT of money.
Simon Tay a ton of Zimbabwean dollars. but really one is an imported Nissan and the door relay is not available in my country at all. would be pricey to ship it from Japan. and good luck finding some of the main relays in a 280z at all
Many North American models use a wax motor to "lock" the door shut. The time delay created by the cooling down of the wax before the door will unlock ensures the drum has come to a complete stop if it were on high spin when power was lost.
I've got one of these things on my top loader. It's a real pain, the washer is micro processor controlled and it has a speed sensor on the motor that senses when the drum is rotating and as long as it's rotating it will not go to the next cycle nor can you open the top. Unfortunately when the motor stops it keeps spinning under it's own momentum for about 5 minutes not including the time delay in the micro processor. I've had the thing apart to try and bypass it, but it's impossible. So I just took the interlock actuator off the door and permanently put it in the switch itself. Now I can open the door whenever I want, no kids in the house, only competent adults, so it's not a threat.
Its a brilliant and yet frustrating device. That says is for your own safety. Very interesting.
SIMPLY Awsome!! Well explained, Very clear audio and video, Very Systematic approach, From the basics (including bimetal physics) to the details!! Great job!
Listening to your voice through Bose speakers makes my desk vibrate like crazy lol
It's red hot. Grabs it again, still hot!
Safety interlocks are usually one of the first things I defeat on new appliances. :)
My job is to repair laundry equipment. You have no idea how many people complain about a safety item such as this.
One of these to be replaced is about ~$300.
I just took mine off and jumpered it out so the microcontroller will think the door is closed this way I can adjust the amount of soap I add and put in extra cloths if I wish. Save us from the nanny state. The PTC thing can also be found in modern fridges. It prevents the compressor from starting until it gets cool.
The PTC in the compressor might be acting as a solid state start winding controller. There's often an anti-stall thermal switch too.
@@bigclivedotcom Clive, if you cycle the compressor on and off by unplugging it too frequently, the relay which includes the little disk, starts to click but the compressor wouldn't start for a while. Then if you come back a while latter, the fridge is working as it should. It acts as some thermal protection for the compressor.
@@felixcat4346 I never knew that! There's often a "quick chill" option on freezers, that when pressed starts the compressor (probably not all it does but it doesn't matter in this instance). Turning it off and back on, it doesn't start right away. I didn't realize that was a PTC too! That's really neat.
@@felixcat4346 The compressors will stall if turned off and on again while running because of the pressure of the gas. They need a pressure balancing time between runs.
Finally a yoga block being put to proper use
Also I think that the plastic locking pin has signs of refinement too: it seems its end is shaped like a dovetail, presumably to reliably engage the bolt.
I was going to say that the bimetallic strip was the one below that the adjusting screw was against, but you had worked it out for yourself.
Well I'll be buggered! What I never knew I wanted to know! And a non-LED based video from B.C.
LOL
he could pimp the lock with one though :)
the bi-metallic strip is the little piece behind the PTC which touches the adjustment screw.. the strip pushes the PTC pallet into the copper spring latch.. this is done for a couple reasons; 1.. allows a safety contact to the PTC and 2.. keeps the bi-metallic piece hotter for longer (but without having the piece get too hot which would melt or deform the plastic housing.. the copper end will dissipate the excess heat and allow for thermal-expansion)
clives videos are edutainment in the best possible sense
beat me you bugger!!! touche sir
Interesting I recently had to fix the switch on my top loading machine. It was also easy to replace by taking out two screws that keep the lid closed and lifting the top of the machine up - it is hinged at the back. The switch just fits into a rectangular slotted hole under the lid (no screws needed) and it is Normally Open and is actuated by a pin when the top closes. No time delay needed. Similar price. Satisfying when you can avoid an expensive visit by the official fixers to do something so simple
If you can get your hands on the thermal cutoff switch from an electric shower there's a more impressive version of a bimetallic strip. Instead of a strip they use a disk with a slight dome, which pops from convex to concave at a given temperature, which pushes down a button under the disk, which opens contacts to disconnect the power to the shower heating element.
I did a full shower teardown. Including inside the heating chamber.
Often wondered how these work it astonishing in its simplicity.
‘Lock’ ness monster being drawn. Couldn’t un-see it! 😂
good thing you explained the scredriver . . . people might have thought it lights up bacuse your left hand was life and the right one neutral
Could have been a floating earth or you could have been physically live if you touched something that was damaged or defective.
Mein Gott, Helga! That is a very simplified interlock. You'll have to take my word for it, because I ain't wreckin' me washin' machine just to prove it, but my 25(ish) year old Zanussi has a far more sophisticated interlock than that, though the PTC pill is the same, it also has two microswitches and a hydrostatic blocking mechanism. . The basic principal is clearly the same, but in my machine, the time delay is around 5 minutes before the lock will release, this I assume is because this machine has a "Boil" option, and therefore needs longer to cool down from such a high temperature - with only one thermal interlock, it's a case of catering for the worst case scenario.
A very interesting video to see, and quite enlightening.
Washing machines come with a ten year parts warrantee, so you only change the washing every ten years. I am amazed at how cheap they are my wife just bought a new hotpoint as our old machine died after 9 years. it cost £285 delivered. This machine has a balance system so it does not go into a high spin unless the clothes are evenly distributed, and does not bounce all over the floor. Now that is clever. How they make them for that price I do not know as the retailer has his cut and then the delivery costs have to be taken out.
My Bosch machine from the mid-90's did that load balancing thing, and it lasted 20 years!
@@Petertronic How do they get the costs down if they last so long?
My Indesit load balances by detecting the motor speed ramping up and down with an unbalanced load. It also jolts the drum occasionally to see if it can separate clumped clothes.
We use Yokogawa WT310e power analyzers for measuring single phase equipment. It can display four different measurements at a time but I think it is in a different price range.
Need this exactly today. Thank you so much.
There's another advantage in having the thermistor make contact directly with the mechanism. It will rub very lightly against the contact surfaces and keep the contact relatively clean of oxidation.
Great explanation. I have a machine that fills with water but the drum never turns. The door mechanically locks and after no power for 2 minutes it will unlocks. However I never get a light indicating that the door is locked. I am suspecting the door lock.
I tried to by pass mine one time. I fucked it up and some how fried the damn Circuit board.... luckily I found the part replaced it and then called to have it warranted and they never even noticed I was in there lol. The guy was like “Yeah some how the Circuit board that shorted out”. 🤣
If you really want to see how cost can get designed out, compare a new machine with one say 20 years old. I recently pensioned off a '96 vintage Zanussi as the motor was starting to get rumbly and 2-month old Zanussi one came my way for way less than the cost of a new motor and here are a couple of examples.
The hose from the detergent dispenser to the tub is now incorporated in the door seal rubber. This has the additional advantage that the whole dispenser box is flushed clean of detergent.
Instead of having a mechanical linkage to divert the incoming water to the individual compartments in the dispenser, the new one uses two valves and some fluidics to direct the flow three ways.
As for the door latch it's electromechanical, driven from the controller. If it's safe to open the door it'll let you.
Very nice video. I always wondered how they made the delay even when it's unplugged.
Took mine to bits after seeing this and it fell to bits when I was pushing it around don't know who puts these together but to get that little u shaped piece of copper back is a nightmare it is just balances between the 2 parts of that copper strip and the metal piece fell out as well. So while it is simple is very delicate to put together. Getting a new one anyway but I thought I might try to mend. Thanks for showing this as I could not work out how it works I still do not understand what happens when it heats and the bit that pushes the pin down makes contact with the strip below.
My machine uses an electrically actuated lock (to lock and unlock). It unlocks as soon as the drum comes to a standstill, but requires power to do it.
Ennar - we have an indesit also a electronic aculated one
I hate the time delay. I never could understand it. The damn door won't open for ages after the program has finished and the drum has stopped. There should be a a way to override it so I can OPEN THE BLOODY DOOR!
it also allows the washing to cool to a lower temp , which also extend the door lock time.
This video shows you exactly how to do that - just disconnect the heater wire. Saves a little energy too!
@@rlowens disconnecting the heater won't work on my machine, because it has special contacts to detect if the lock has engaged or not (and it won't start unless the lock is engaged). I had to enlarge the hole in the metal plate to defeat the lock.
I have toploader made by Electrolux and it seems to have a latching relay lock. As soons as the machine has done its thing, it simply clicks (more like small bang actually) and you can open it. It would be interesting to see one of those locks dissected. I guess these might have 2 relays inside or some clever way of one solenoid + permanent magnet magic.
If the motor doesn’t have a rpm sensor then they just guess a generic long time. Units with rpm sensors unlock when the drum stops.
I'm quite scared that Google decided to recommend me this video the day after I had a fight with a washing machine door that wouldn't let me access my clothes. Somebody hold me.
i have a bosch and you can open the door (provided its not spinning i presume) by holding in 2 buttons, so it must operate completely different to this, it is though of course a digital program as opposed to a traditional mechanical one
Brilliant! I thought they just used a solonoid. Live and learn. Thank you!
@pmailkeey LOL
The problem with these interlocks is when they fail in the locked position you can’t open the door and you have to get inside the machine and try and break the lock off. I’ve had to do this many a time. ( I’m a retired domestic appliance engineer )
Sorry Clive, it did make me chuckle a little, when you dropped the PTC heater block. But good self control on the language.
Superb video, pity I found it after I had the exact same issue with identical door interlock and managed to work it out eventually! Never mind
I wondered how the lock system was made, now I know how it's made :-) Thanks BigClive for this video
I took care of a laundromat that had several $6000 front loaders. Every one had the handle or front door bent because people wouldn't wait for the time delay. The domestic top loaders have their switches get gummed up by spilled gooey soap. I started a side business selling used washers from all the easy fix machines people throw out. I charge $5 to haul them away, fix and then sell them.
I always had a fascination with laundromats as a kid. As with all slot machines.
The amount of annoyance that timer has created compared to the few Darwin award candidates that had put their appendages in a spinning machine is incredible.
Mine doesn't have this type of interlock in it. When you turn the machine on, the door can be opened or closed at will until you start the cycle. If you need to add a sock, you press pause, and so long as the machine is not full of water, it will let you add the sock. The door locks and unlocks with 2 rather disturbing clunks. I'm guessing its a pair of latching solenoids, as when it is powered off mid cycle, the door remains locked. It also retains memory of what it was doing prior to loosing power, and resumes the cycle once power is restored.
I always assumed it stayed latched after you unplug the machine by means of timed relay powered by a battery or capacitor. Quite simple but effective. And interesting
Finally something that is relevant to my life
We get loads of these Hotpoint/Indesit ones coming in the workshop with the door lock wiring loom burnt out as the connectors they use are really crap and overheat
The Hopi is a hallmark of the channel. You can't get rid of it!
Great stuff. I bet this has many previous iterations that it builds upon. It makes me wonder what these will look like in another 20 years.