To the guy on the first story about the I40 collapse, I know how it is to want to save everyone but simply not be able to. The fact that you were there to save anyone makes a huge difference. I know it's as simple as doing the right thing and/or doing your job because I work in medicine, but not everyone has that response of going to help and we all rely on someone willing to help when we're in need. All we can do is try to help spread the notion and the know-how to help other people should any of us come across someone who could use some help. Good on you! Also, even if you were able to save everyone, those emotions still come because of the intensity of the situation too. It's normal and those emotions are also exactly what motivates a person to go over and help.
re: Arkansas river bridge collapse - Like the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore MD on March 26, 2024 (practically my backyard). At this posting they are just starting to clear the last of bridge debris off the MV Dal[ so they can move the container ship and finally finish clearing the shipping channel.
Lake Orville in California had the same thing happen to the spillway, but it was damaged far worse and the pictures and video of it is spectacular! The amount of damage that the water did in a short amount time was crazy!!
Yeah they spent money buying fancey cars and eating caviare. So that's why spillway failed why would you go do that at the cost of people's lives, only an idiot or idiots would do that . Corruption it has a lot to answer for.
These anthology program videos really ought to list everything covered. I was here for the train derailment too, but I've seen another of these & know the mistake you make titling them,, I was going the make the same complaint then, but I was half asleep. What's wrong with: Bridge Collapse, Train Derailment & More Disasters! As a title.
It seems like the drivers of trains or the pilots of tugs pushing barges should have a second person in the cab who can take over if the primary driver is incapacitated. That, of course, would cost the tug and train companies money, reducing profits. What is the price of safety?
Well that entirely depends on how much a life is insured for I guess. I mean, we say "you can't put a value on life" but we can and we do it all the time.
@@PartyOf8Please Well in the case of Trains at least, we have technology that can do exactly that. In the video they mention various "Dead-man" safety systems, but in addition to that, there are things like Automatic Train Stop/Control systems that can regulate the speed of the trains without input from the driver/engineer.
I am a big fan of railroading and you bring up a very big problem for any railroad company. But I agree with you. You used to have a crew of five here in the states. But then you had a very big increase in the pay for the crews. Costing a lot more money. Obviously they came up with the solution to reduce the crew number. Nowadays you have only two, both of them in the locomotive. But a very good question is, does it cause overwork for the crews? You even have a move to switch to zero crew remote controlled trains. And yes, you run into the Same problem, just how safe would they be? Especially when you have driver less taxis trying to run over police officers and possibly pedestrian traffic!
Love all the over reations about the helicopter pilot, dropping the bags to save the dam. He flies them for his job, if he couldn't do it, he wouldn't have a job, simple as that. Before you know it, they will hand out participation awards for simply being in the same town as that storm event.
Did you watch their video about the Sydney Tower collapse ??? - it was actually about Mascot Towers apartments foundations cracking, yet they made it out like it as the Tourist landmark ( formerly called centre Point tower). They just used sensationalist headlines to get your attention. Kinda Sleazy to me …
When designing architecture and infrastructure, weather is something that needs to be taken into account. As Engineers and Architects we more often than not don't have reliable long term weather data for a particular location. So what we do, is look at the data we do have and make estimates as to the strength of weather patterns. Those estimates get labeled as "1 in X year Storms/Floods/etc." Meaning that within a set time frame 1 weather event of that expected strength is expected to occur. As an example, for a specific run of a river a 1 in 100 year flood is expected to over top it's banks and flood the flood plains either side to a depth of 10ft while a 1 in 20 year flood would be expected to over top its banks and flood to a depth of 1 foot. What that man is basically saying, is the first storm is expected to only happen once within a 43 year time frame (meaning a pretty bad/damaging storm) was followed almost immediately by a storm that is only expected to occur once in 92 years (an even worse storm). Architecture and infrastructure is designed to handle up to a certain power of storm usually a 1 in 100 year storm, a "Century Storm" if you will, largely due to economic reasons. Getting hit by both of those powerful storms without much of a grace period to allow for the built up water to be released, acted as a one two punch which the damn couldn't handle. Too much water was being dumped into the reservoir by the second storm on top of water already there from the first storm. Engineers had already started pumping additional water out attempting to prevent a damn breach. But due to the excessive water over flowing through the spillway, the spillway started suffering damage from handling volumes of water it was not designed to handle. On their own each storm would have been manageable, but together in that time frame they probably equated to a 1 in 500 or 1 in 1000 year storm and very little is designed and built to handle that.
The situation with the Waterfall train accident was worse. The fact that the dead man's device could fail in this way had been known by the government owned operator for fifteen (15) years. They had a legal obligation to inform the safety regulator about this, but did not do so. The also failed to address the problem. Yet if one raises any safety concern about the railway, the response amounts to "trust us, we know what we're doing."
Regarding the train accident, how were emergency response vehicles able to access the scene of the accident? I don't see any roads in Google Earth at where the accident occurred.
the accident did not happen at waterfall station .. it is a bit further south of the station ... the access to the accident site is not far from the high way, if interested please search on ATSB and you can still find the full investigation report on line.
On seeing the thumbnail, thought it was going to be about our short lived "double decker" trains in the 90's. They cost a fortune but soon declared unsafe for all suburban lines.
You state the double deckers were declared unsafe but you don't mention where or when this happened? Moreover, why would double deckers be unsafe for suburban lines versus safe for regular use in metropolitan areas?
Watching all these and thinking, how much I get pissed off at the stupidity of engineers as someone who has to build/service their shit, yet everyone praises them....
I'm no railway expert, but I thought a dead man switch was not a continuously 'on' type thing but it had to be repeatedly activated, like every 30 seconds or something like that. Building a "She'll be right" pedal so when the driver falls asleep or dies on it things just keep on going is so astonishingly idiotic by the designers. It even opens the door to some bozo just dumping a brick on it.
Why wouldn't you make the "so called" Dead man switch an Opposable thumbs mechanism as this would provide definite release at the point of any incident, Dead man pedals are the stupid way of thinking, One's hand will release in 99% of time other than electrocution and this is less likely in Australia as we are smarter with Electricity than most of the world
Reagan quote started with "9 most terrifying words", but it was not his words, but a 20 yo joke in 1986. "It was, and is, a moronic and childish thing to say and believe. That’s right, I’m saying that Reagan was being moronic and childish when he said it with a grin, that George Will (who, with his PhD, should know better) was moronic and childish when he wrote it in a column, and that the politicians and commentators who are employing it now are being moronic and childish. Let’s take “moronic” and “childish” one by one. It’s “moronic” because even 10 seconds of actual thought makes you realize that being “from the government” could mean being “from the fire department,” “from Child Protective Services,” (in the American context) “from FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency” in times of natural disaster, and so many more. It meant the First Responders who saved hundreds during the attacks on September 11th and often gave their lives trying to save more. Are we to be terrified when an Emergency Medical Technician uses the jaws of life to extract us from a wrecked automobile that’s crushing us? And, perhaps most appropriately, given Reagan’s worship of the military, are we supposed to have been terrified when American armed forces helped stop a genocidal maniac like Hitler? And this doesn’t even include the seemingly endless government corporate bailouts, economic incentives and giveaways to companies to put offices and factories in certain areas, land grants to private institutions, and the ludicrously generous tax breaks given to large corporations and rich individuals in the United States. These are exactly the kinds of “terrifying” government help that Reagan championed during his administration, and that created some of the largest deficits and biggest federal debt levels in our history. Of course, there have been lots of times when governments, including the U.S. government, have done terrible (indeed inexcusable) things - allowing slavery and child labor to exist and thrive, helping to wipe out Native Americans, and so many more. But to lump all government (and by extension, societal) attempts at improving people’s lives as terrifying oppression is not only historically inaccurate, but politically dangerous. Countries and societies have always employed mutual aid in order to survive. It has worked in various ways, and not worked in other ways, but to abandon the idea is to give in to anarchy. And that’s moronic thinking. It’s “childish” because, as I’ve implied, it’s an overly-simplistic way of looking at the world, how it operates, and how we might try to make it operate better. As we keep saying on this show, the supposed wisdom contained in one-liners from famous and iconic people almost always overlook (and sometimes steamroll) the complexities of social, political, and historical realities. If you have a one-line answer for everything (which Reagan almost always did), you’re using school-yard “it’s all one way or the other” (nah-nah-na-nah-na) rhetoric to address serious, grown-up, and complicated problems." - _-Fred R. Shapiro, The Yale Book of Quotations_
The 1st video reminded me to buy a rescue tool. Has a seat belt cutter and windowbreaker. Because you never know when youll find yourself in a situation like this... underwater with no wat to escape. Many cars have electric windows wgich means as soon as you hit the water your window is not going to roll down. And the weight of the water pushing on your door. You wont be able to open it untill the car is completely full of water... usually by then you have drown. So yeah just purchased a rescue tool...
American bridges often come down the same way... by unprotected pillars that are essential for their integrity being hit by large and/or heavy, unguided ships
This type of two dimensional ground base travel is old and dated. It's expensive to build. It's expensive to replace and maintain. It destroys the natural environment and it's completely unnecessary...Autonomous Passenger Drones.
The fault lies on the design engineers. Failing to insist on crash islands on BOTH sides of the pillars. There are still large gaps a vessel could get bthrough at an angle.
That was alright how much wasent spoken about austrailan rail disaster?? Stupid person said not enought of a story . Semed ok to me so i wont be going off tonight . Good video's 👍
Exactly. This same content producer also had a scummy headline on one of their videos titled " Sydney tower collapse" - which was actually all about the mascot apartment towers foundations cracking….NOTHING about SYDNEY ( formerly Centre Point Tower) TOWER ! That just use sensationalist headlines to get people to watch their amateur videos…
Over 35 minutes out of 44 minutes total of this video or 80% have nothing to do with the title. In school this is a clear 'fail' because you missed the topic of the essay.
Theyll ear me going off all the fro Australia and ill abrupt about it . So im sticking around to see it or they must want me to go off again after 60 mins the ather night whoooo i went off and ive every right to and so do you .
No, they speak American English which is a complete bastardisation of the English language where they have to spell and pronounce everything differently. And 4,000 km is 4 million metres haha
The prime cause of these accidents is the crazy. American syst em of pushing long barge trains rather than towing them . They call it towing but it is in fact pushing huge barges which has caused several serious accidents, including loss of life, which coud havebeen avoided if the barges has been towed from the front. It will require legislation to alter this ridiculous system Please write to your Congressman to demand a safer system on your rivers!
To the guy on the first story about the I40 collapse, I know how it is to want to save everyone but simply not be able to. The fact that you were there to save anyone makes a huge difference. I know it's as simple as doing the right thing and/or doing your job because I work in medicine, but not everyone has that response of going to help and we all rely on someone willing to help when we're in need. All we can do is try to help spread the notion and the know-how to help other people should any of us come across someone who could use some help. Good on you! Also, even if you were able to save everyone, those emotions still come because of the intensity of the situation too. It's normal and those emotions are also exactly what motivates a person to go over and help.
re: Arkansas river bridge collapse - Like the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore MD on March 26, 2024 (practically my backyard). At this posting they are just starting to clear the last of bridge debris off the MV Dal[ so they can move the container ship and finally finish clearing the shipping channel.
Just shows that they will do anything to blame the Pilot
Lake Orville in California had the same thing happen to the spillway, but it was damaged far worse and the pictures and video of it is spectacular! The amount of damage that the water did in a short amount time was crazy!!
Yeah that was something to behold 😮
cool name
Yeah they spent money buying fancey cars and eating caviare. So that's why spillway failed why would you go do that at the cost of people's lives, only an idiot or idiots would do that . Corruption it has a lot to answer for.
These anthology program videos really ought to list everything covered. I was here for the train derailment too, but I've seen another of these & know the mistake you make titling them,, I was going the make the same complaint then, but I was half asleep.
What's wrong with: Bridge Collapse, Train Derailment & More Disasters! As a title.
😅😅😅😅😅
It seems like the drivers of trains or the pilots of tugs pushing barges should have a second person in the cab who can take over if the primary driver is incapacitated. That, of course, would cost the tug and train companies money, reducing profits. What is the price of safety?
Well that entirely depends on how much a life is insured for I guess.
I mean, we say "you can't put a value on life" but we can and we do it all the time.
I agree with you 100%, but what if both people are incapacitated? Where do we draw the line? A perplexing quandary, to be sure.
@@PartyOf8Please Well in the case of Trains at least, we have technology that can do exactly that. In the video they mention various "Dead-man" safety systems, but in addition to that, there are things like Automatic Train Stop/Control systems that can regulate the speed of the trains without input from the driver/engineer.
I am a big fan of railroading and you bring up a very big problem for any railroad company. But I agree with you.
You used to have a crew of five here in the states. But then you had a very big increase in the pay for the crews. Costing a lot more money. Obviously they came up with the solution to reduce the crew number. Nowadays you have only two, both of them in the locomotive. But a very good question is, does it cause overwork for the crews? You even have a move to switch to zero crew remote controlled trains. And yes, you run into the Same problem, just how safe would they be? Especially when you have driver less taxis trying to run over police officers and possibly pedestrian traffic!
I’m thinking some type of autopilot would help (like Tesla) and if you don’t keep turning the steering wheel it could just drop an anchor.
Love all the over reations about the helicopter pilot, dropping the bags to save the dam. He flies them for his job, if he couldn't do it, he wouldn't have a job, simple as that. Before you know it, they will hand out participation awards for simply being in the same town as that storm event.
Sorry but... which part is about Australia's rail nightmare? You know as in the title of the video.
None of it.
The end
The bit that starts at 35:44
Did you watch their video about the Sydney Tower collapse ??? - it was actually about Mascot Towers apartments foundations cracking, yet they made it out like it as the Tourist landmark ( formerly called centre Point tower). They just used sensationalist headlines to get your attention. Kinda Sleazy to me …
@@paulsz6194 Good incidents but sensationalism spoils the story line over and over again.
Hold on... at 18:15 the engineer doctor said it was a "one in 43 year storm"? Followed by a "one in 92 year storm"??🤔🙄😑😮HUH??!?
When designing architecture and infrastructure, weather is something that needs to be taken into account. As Engineers and Architects we more often than not don't have reliable long term weather data for a particular location. So what we do, is look at the data we do have and make estimates as to the strength of weather patterns. Those estimates get labeled as "1 in X year Storms/Floods/etc." Meaning that within a set time frame 1 weather event of that expected strength is expected to occur. As an example, for a specific run of a river a 1 in 100 year flood is expected to over top it's banks and flood the flood plains either side to a depth of 10ft while a 1 in 20 year flood would be expected to over top its banks and flood to a depth of 1 foot. What that man is basically saying, is the first storm is expected to only happen once within a 43 year time frame (meaning a pretty bad/damaging storm) was followed almost immediately by a storm that is only expected to occur once in 92 years (an even worse storm). Architecture and infrastructure is designed to handle up to a certain power of storm usually a 1 in 100 year storm, a "Century Storm" if you will, largely due to economic reasons. Getting hit by both of those powerful storms without much of a grace period to allow for the built up water to be released, acted as a one two punch which the damn couldn't handle. Too much water was being dumped into the reservoir by the second storm on top of water already there from the first storm. Engineers had already started pumping additional water out attempting to prevent a damn breach. But due to the excessive water over flowing through the spillway, the spillway started suffering damage from handling volumes of water it was not designed to handle. On their own each storm would have been manageable, but together in that time frame they probably equated to a 1 in 500 or 1 in 1000 year storm and very little is designed and built to handle that.
There were 2 storms within days of each other
And no on3 thought to reinforce the Baltimore bridge. It always takes deaths
this wasn't the only bad bridge accident either, there had been one in Florida as well and still nothing was done
Regulations are written in blood, too many forget when ranting against.
The situation with the Waterfall train accident was worse. The fact that the dead man's device could fail in this way had been known by the government owned operator for fifteen (15) years. They had a legal obligation to inform the safety regulator about this, but did not do so. The also failed to address the problem.
Yet if one raises any safety concern about the railway, the response amounts to "trust us, we know what we're doing."
13:22 that's a terrific memorial.
I thought so too ❤
39:06 I wonder if they could have prevented this by putting in some sort of a positive train control system combined with an improved DSD system
Regarding the train accident, how were emergency response vehicles able to access the scene of the accident? I don't see any roads in Google Earth at where the accident occurred.
the accident did not happen at waterfall station .. it is a bit further south of the station ... the access to the accident site is not far from the high way, if interested please search on ATSB and you can still find the full investigation report on line.
The first responders, They actually walked and carried their equipment for over a kilometre.
35:27 Australia's Rail Nightmare!
THAHNK YOU FOR VIDEO
How does a Train manage to travel at a speed between 117 & 118 kph possibly somewhere in the region of say ( this is only a guess )
117 & half kph .
Hey the damn dam is damned, let’s stand on top of it and hopefully be damned too.
On seeing the thumbnail, thought it was going to be about our short lived "double decker" trains in the 90's. They cost a fortune but soon declared unsafe for all suburban lines.
You state the double deckers were declared unsafe but you don't mention where or when this happened? Moreover, why would double deckers be unsafe for suburban lines versus safe for regular use in metropolitan areas?
thats the tangara.... they are still around in sydney mate
also 35:50
Force equals mass times acceleration. And a cargo ship has a shit-ton of mass.
Also p=mv and ke=½mv²
Watching all these and thinking, how much I get pissed off at the stupidity of engineers as someone who has to build/service their shit, yet everyone praises them....
I'm no railway expert, but I thought a dead man switch was not a continuously 'on' type thing but it had to be repeatedly activated, like every 30 seconds or something like that.
Building a "She'll be right" pedal so when the driver falls asleep or dies on it things just keep on going is so astonishingly idiotic by the designers. It even opens the door to some bozo just dumping a brick on it.
In the US it was a foot pedal you had to keep your foot on, many bricks were used instead of feet leading to many accidents then to better systems.
24:45 it is recomended to inspect the dams once a year AKA nothing will be done. lol
Did the Australians consider monitoring the health of their train operators?
The piers at the passage should have been massive, or at least three times larger in concrete cross section. Poor design with no barriers!
grain elevators have dryers to remove moisture
Story starts at 35:44
Thx
All look like that there should apply a buddy system in the operation room instead of single drivers.
Why wouldn't you make the "so called" Dead man switch an Opposable thumbs mechanism as this would provide definite release at the point of any incident, Dead man pedals are the stupid way of thinking, One's hand will release in 99% of time other than electrocution and this is less likely in Australia as we are smarter with Electricity than most of the world
11 MOST DANGEROUS WORDS: HI, I'M HERE FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND I'M HERE TO HELP
Reagan quote started with "9 most terrifying words", but it was not his words, but a 20 yo joke in 1986.
"It was, and is, a moronic and childish thing to say and believe. That’s right, I’m saying that Reagan was being moronic and childish when he said it with a grin, that George Will (who, with his PhD, should know better) was moronic and childish when he wrote it in a column, and that the politicians and commentators who are employing it now are being moronic and childish.
Let’s take “moronic” and “childish” one by one.
It’s “moronic” because even 10 seconds of actual thought makes you realize that being “from the government” could mean being “from the fire department,” “from Child Protective Services,” (in the American context) “from FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency” in times of natural disaster, and so many more. It meant the First Responders who saved hundreds during the attacks on September 11th and often gave their lives trying to save more.
Are we to be terrified when an Emergency Medical Technician uses the jaws of life to extract us from a wrecked automobile that’s crushing us? And, perhaps most appropriately, given Reagan’s worship of the military, are we supposed to have been terrified when American armed forces helped stop a genocidal maniac like Hitler?
And this doesn’t even include the seemingly endless government corporate bailouts, economic incentives and giveaways to companies to put offices and factories in certain areas, land grants to private institutions, and the ludicrously generous tax breaks given to large corporations and rich individuals in the United States. These are exactly the kinds of “terrifying” government help that Reagan championed during his administration, and that created some of the largest deficits and biggest federal debt levels in our history.
Of course, there have been lots of times when governments, including the U.S. government, have done terrible (indeed inexcusable) things - allowing slavery and child labor to exist and thrive, helping to wipe out Native Americans, and so many more.
But to lump all government (and by extension, societal) attempts at improving people’s lives as terrifying oppression is not only historically inaccurate, but politically dangerous. Countries and societies have always employed mutual aid in order to survive. It has worked in various ways, and not worked in other ways, but to abandon the idea is to give in to anarchy. And that’s moronic thinking.
It’s “childish” because, as I’ve implied, it’s an overly-simplistic way of looking at the world, how it operates, and how we might try to make it operate better. As we keep saying on this show, the supposed wisdom contained in one-liners from famous and iconic people almost always overlook (and sometimes steamroll) the complexities of social, political, and historical realities. If you have a one-line answer for everything (which Reagan almost always did), you’re using school-yard “it’s all one way or the other” (nah-nah-na-nah-na) rhetoric to address serious, grown-up, and complicated problems."
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_-Fred R. Shapiro, The Yale Book of Quotations_
The 1st video reminded me to buy a rescue tool. Has a seat belt cutter and windowbreaker. Because you never know when youll find yourself in a situation like this... underwater with no wat to escape. Many cars have electric windows wgich means as soon as you hit the water your window is not going to roll down. And the weight of the water pushing on your door. You wont be able to open it untill the car is completely full of water... usually by then you have drown. So yeah just purchased a rescue tool...
How is a barge hitting a bridge an engineering mistake?
American bridges often come down the same way... by unprotected pillars that are essential for their integrity being hit by large and/or heavy, unguided ships
Pulling out the bodies…
Not calling it Aust-RAIL-ia is a crime in itself.
This type of two dimensional ground base travel is old and dated. It's expensive to build. It's expensive to replace and maintain. It destroys the natural environment and it's completely unnecessary...Autonomous Passenger Drones.
if you are looking formnews of australias rail disaster don't bother with this crap site..
Thanks for accustoming Americans to the metric system.
Also: regulations are written in blood, often lots of blood.
The fault lies on the design engineers. Failing to insist on crash islands on BOTH sides of the pillars. There are still large gaps a vessel could get bthrough at an angle.
Only one guy driving the tug ?
That was alright how much wasent spoken about austrailan rail disaster?? Stupid person said not enought of a story . Semed ok to me so i wont be going off tonight . Good video's 👍
There was no disaster in the twin as the dam didn’t burst
Open the car window before crossing the bridge
11:02 Baltimore, 2024
Clickbait. Hardly anything about Australia's rail nightmare I'm out of here
😮thx. 👍🪃🇭🇲🖖
Exactly. This same content producer also had a scummy headline on one of their videos titled " Sydney tower collapse" - which was actually all about the mascot apartment towers foundations cracking….NOTHING about SYDNEY ( formerly Centre Point Tower) TOWER ! That just use sensationalist headlines to get people to watch their amateur videos…
Me too and thumbs down 👎
It actually is in there. It’s just towards the end
Ok I’m out of here too.
The first video they all sound like Forrest Gump
yeah,,, i have train sets
Over 35 minutes out of 44 minutes total of this video or 80% have nothing to do with the title.
In school this is a clear 'fail' because you missed the topic of the essay.
Made in US , made in UK
eatrthen dams are disasters waiting to happen
Theyll ear me going off all the fro Australia and ill abrupt about it .
So im sticking around to see it or they must want me to go off again after 60 mins the ather night whoooo i went off and ive every right to and so do you .
I thought that Americans spoke English.....what is 4,000 km in English?
Translate to miles. 4000' x .62.
2200. - 2500 miles. I am guesstimating.
We speak American, you have to go to the UK for English. 😉
lol!
that's about 4,000 km!
No, they speak American English which is a complete bastardisation of the English language where they have to spell and pronounce everything differently.
And 4,000 km is 4 million metres haha
LMAO bloody Yankee Doodle Dandy! Look it up 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Unsubbed. Ban clickbait titles. Yes, I sat through the entire video.
The prime cause of these accidents is the crazy. American syst em of pushing long barge trains rather than towing them . They call it towing but it is in fact pushing huge barges which has caused several serious accidents, including loss of life, which coud havebeen avoided if the barges has been towed from the front.
It will require legislation to alter this ridiculous system
Please write to your Congressman to demand a safer system on your rivers!
Click bait