Correction from Ryan Mullins (Thank you): "FYI, Dean Zimmerman and I do not believe that God was timeless prior to creation. We think that God has always been temporal. Much like Alan Padgett, Richard Swinburne, Nicholas Wolterstorff, Garrett DeWeese, and others. "
WLC prefers to say timeless *sans* (but not prior* to) creation, and in time since/with creation. * Unless we specify that God is timeless *logically* prior or explanatorily prior.
I think an important insight into the Incarnation is given to us by Athanasius and it may help in this regard. Remember that the Word is that through which all things are created and sustained, so Athanasius reminds us that the Word cannot cease to be the sustainer of all creation while being incarnate. So, the Word remains a member of the Trinity, and remains the creator and sustainer of all things while simultaneously being incarnate, how is one to explain this? Well, I think the best answer is probably the Thomistic answer that Steven gives, this doctrine of a real relation on the side of creation and a non-real relation on the side of God.
I love Steven Nemes and Suan Sonna - worthy servants of God - God bless your evangelisation of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church 🙏.
I like that bargain! Give up the difference principle if you want this transition from a Timeless God to a temporal God. The interview is 🔥.
Correction from Ryan Mullins (Thank you): "FYI, Dean Zimmerman and I do not believe that God was timeless prior to creation. We think that God has always been temporal. Much like Alan Padgett, Richard Swinburne, Nicholas Wolterstorff, Garrett DeWeese, and others.
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I believe it was only William Lane Craig who said God was timeless prior to creation on the "Closer to Truth" show.
WLC prefers to say timeless *sans* (but not prior* to) creation, and in time since/with creation.
* Unless we specify that God is timeless *logically* prior or explanatorily prior.
Great point about Sir Roger Penrose at the end! Yes, the God of Theistic Personalism is too much like us!
They'll take it as a compliment
I think an important insight into the Incarnation is given to us by Athanasius and it may help in this regard. Remember that the Word is that through which all things are created and sustained, so Athanasius reminds us that the Word cannot cease to be the sustainer of all creation while being incarnate. So, the Word remains a member of the Trinity, and remains the creator and sustainer of all things while simultaneously being incarnate, how is one to explain this? Well, I think the best answer is probably the Thomistic answer that Steven gives, this doctrine of a real relation on the side of creation and a non-real relation on the side of God.
I think he missed when he bashed theoretic virtues but still an Interesting discussion as always