to make it fair i think that if a guy messes up a pick by naming a year on the wrong team, they don't get that round pick back until the very end. so like when jolly messed up sale, instead of it working out for him as accidental defense, he gets penalized for messing up a pick. love this series btw!
At least make it to where they aren’t allowed to pick that player but the other guys can or they aren’t allowed to pick a player from that team till the other guys have.
Mo was worse than every reliever on Ryan's team. And jolly took dellin who had a better year than Mo as well he just took the wrong year. The only one who should of probably took him was Jake instead of taking Chad green
I love these drafts, some of my favorite videos. I particularly like this ERA mix of runs and innings. I'd vote for shaking up batter drafts with like steals and put outs or something. Spice up the normal one stat for extra thinking and weighing when drafting. Get some defensive stats in the spot light
Fan-frickin-tastic! Great video! As a former pitcher, I'm partial to these, but the series in general is my favorite content... Short of any Foolish Bailey guest spots, hahaha
As someone who plays fantasy baseball head to head category style with ERA as a category, they do what I imagine is a very similar call to talk to balance a starter who let up 2 runs with a reliever who let up none over 1 inning. So I have no problem with this!
Curious how you handle seasons split between the rotation and bullpen. Would 2002 Tim Wakefield (15 GS and 30 out of the pen) be useable in either slot? His 2.81 ERA in 163.1 IP isn't eye-popping, but seems like it could be quite valuable under certain circumstances
What I would assume is that they would make you choose either the starter or reliever innings? It would be too unfair if you put a 163 innings pitcher as a reliever. Baseball reference has stats for pitching splits as a start and reliever. His ERA (2.39) was better as a starter than a reliever but it's only 98 innings. His ERA (3.44) isn't the best for this kind of draft with 65 innings pitched.
Also tracking innings pitched and earned runs is kinda weird seeing as how that's how ERA is calculated. Seeing as how you have a minimum innings for starters I don't think that should factor into the winner, but you guys do you
You can't just use a 20IP ERA and value it the same as a 230IP ERA. Thats why you need to use the fundamental parts of ERA here to account for Innings Pitched
@@Sashabug-gd2uk He won by .17 because Jake picked Jensen. As I said, all of the RPs combined add up to a 6th starter. That's how little impact they have.
For this formula you could do innings pitched/ERA as the score then highest score wins. That way a lot of innings with a higher ERA is worth similar to fewer innings with a low era. Ex 120 innings with a 2 ERA is 60 pts but 180 innings with a 3 ERA is also 60 pts
I'm here to show BJ Ryan some love. Jolly out here slandering him and the Blue Jays for having "no good relievers". 2006 BJ Ryan would have been the best reliver he picked. But, he was also surprised when he picked the greatest single season a pitcher's had in the modern era, so, I guess it makes sense.
love these but I think Jolly messing up the Sale year should be some form of penalty. Not necessarily a zero, but he basically got Sale off the board and could default to Pedro in 2000. Not on purpose, I know. but it still should not benefit you in some way to be wrong.
While also completely ignoring the respective run environments of the time. For example, that 2000 Pedro Martinez season is absolutely insane. Pitching in Fenway, in a high scoring AL East during the steroid era. I dunno, I feel like there's a better way to calculate this.
@@Endalamubc run environments matter. Martinez’s season was that much more historic bc it was in one of the highest run scoring environments _ever_ . That’s why guys like Walter Johnson aren’t the GOAT
I think an improvement on this format would be 5 starters, 5 relievers, one from each team, and you need to reach at least 1000 innings collectively or something like that
That... was... painful, lol. I think instead of double-statting it... Just go for lowest ERA and starters have to have at least 162 IP (what is required to qualify for ERA title) and 50 IP for a reliever (What is required to pitch to no longer be considered a rookie).
In my humble opinion there shouldn't be a inning's pitched bar of 150 to clear simply because the more a guy pitches, the more his individual era is worth.
My Orioles strange pick would have been a guy I read about when I was a kid. I thought he had the most awesome name ever at the time, Urban Shocker. If this counted, he had 348 IP with a sub 3 ERA one year in the 1920s.
Thanks for the shirt Jolly - does my heart good. Altho we have to admit that The Rockies are truly one of - if not THEE worst - Sports Franchises ever. If that SOB Monfort doesn't sell this team soon - I'm going to lose my mind.
Ryan’s Orioles starter pick should not qualify because his pitched innings were less than 150. Same for Shane Mcclanahan. Then I can cheat my own with picking Clay Buckholtz (2013) with 1.74 ERA in 108 1/3 innings.
Serious game flaw what Jolly did there. He took the top two Red Sox off the board with one pick. People should be doing that intentionally and u have to come up with a way to combat it. It’s not fair play
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to make it fair i think that if a guy messes up a pick by naming a year on the wrong team, they don't get that round pick back until the very end. so like when jolly messed up sale, instead of it working out for him as accidental defense, he gets penalized for messing up a pick. love this series btw!
thats a fair rule
At least make it to where they aren’t allowed to pick that player but the other guys can or they aren’t allowed to pick a player from that team till the other guys have.
Great idea.
Yeah can’t believe they never created a penalty for a pick that doesn’t work. I agree with it being a skip and then makeup at the end.
I feel like they have enough guesses of the right team in the wrong year that it balances itself out. I don't know though, it does feel a little weird
This was a great one. Ryan’s bullpen was electric
That smile on Ryan's face when Jolly said Birthday Boy was so genuine :)
Happy Birfday Ryan!!!!
Cringe
Scoring Idea - Each team starts with 1458 (9 * 162) innings to try to fill. Any innings not used are filled by league average.
I really like that idea, will have to add more bullpen guys, but not too many so it forces them to take multi inning relievers not just closers.
Picking Chris Sale before Pedro Martinez is insane, very lucky he got the Sale year wrong 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I was internally screaming for Koji all game as a Sox fan. Thank you Ryan for picking the legendary 2013 Koji season.
No one else is saying it so I will; nobody drafting Mariano is indeed insane
I honestly thought that they agreed to not take him and i missed it at the beginning of the video. Seemed too obvious for no one to pick 😂
You don't even really have to know a year for him, you can pretty much just take any of them and run with it.
Mo was worse than every reliever on Ryan's team. And jolly took dellin who had a better year than Mo as well he just took the wrong year. The only one who should of probably took him was Jake instead of taking Chad green
Obvious isn’t always great for content
@@aaronsadlo7990 I definitely enjoy the more obscure players for sure
“Chrad Green” 😂
Trad!
i was crying laughing at this lmaooo. replayed it like 10 times
I love these drafts, some of my favorite videos. I particularly like this ERA mix of runs and innings. I'd vote for shaking up batter drafts with like steals and put outs or something. Spice up the normal one stat for extra thinking and weighing when drafting. Get some defensive stats in the spot light
Some honorable mentions off the top of my head from my core memory Red Sox days: Clay Buchholz in 2010, Keith Foulke in 2004, and Derek Lowe in 2002.
Joez next video: "Bob Gibson, 1968!"
This is my favorite draft concept you’ve done
Fan-frickin-tastic! Great video! As a former pitcher, I'm partial to these, but the series in general is my favorite content... Short of any Foolish Bailey guest spots, hahaha
this trio is goated. fun video!
showing us the best possible rotation at the end was a W. Great job dudes
I know what he meant, but Jolly essentially calling Pedro and Smoltz "innings eaters" right at the start of this video got me on the back foot.
As someone who plays fantasy baseball head to head category style with ERA as a category, they do what I imagine is a very similar call to talk to balance a starter who let up 2 runs with a reliever who let up none over 1 inning. So I have no problem with this!
Being a fan of any of these teams is so valuable.
Jolly vs. Jake vs. Ryan?! A true MVP showdown!
Love these videos and really liked this one. Very different and a lot of fun.
Pedro.....just... how?
Ryan is the truly the perfect combination of insane ball knowledge, very entertaining and insanely handsome lol
thanks for the fun vids! I enjoy the banter even though I'm not a huge baseball person.
Happy Birthday Ryan!
From this Levite, Happy Birthday, Ryan Cohen! You'll always be my Cohen Gadol!
Happy 24th to a certified knower of ball! 🎉🥳🎂
Curious how you handle seasons split between the rotation and bullpen. Would 2002 Tim Wakefield (15 GS and 30 out of the pen) be useable in either slot? His 2.81 ERA in 163.1 IP isn't eye-popping, but seems like it could be quite valuable under certain circumstances
What I would assume is that they would make you choose either the starter or reliever innings? It would be too unfair if you put a 163 innings pitcher as a reliever. Baseball reference has stats for pitching splits as a start and reliever. His ERA (2.39) was better as a starter than a reliever but it's only 98 innings. His ERA (3.44) isn't the best for this kind of draft with 65 innings pitched.
Love the Uehara pick.
Happy very late birthday Ryan!
Happy belated bday Ryan
Kind of surprised no one took Rick Porcello’s 2016. Though Pedro Martinez the flaming hole in this draft.
I love this format, no run away winner during drafts
john lackey came to my head when lester was picked and lackey absolutely STUNK with the red sox idk why that came to mind
As an o’s fan I’m just happy that Zack Britton was the first reliever taken.
Also tracking innings pitched and earned runs is kinda weird seeing as how that's how ERA is calculated. Seeing as how you have a minimum innings for starters I don't think that should factor into the winner, but you guys do you
You can't just use a 20IP ERA and value it the same as a 230IP ERA.
Thats why you need to use the fundamental parts of ERA here to account for Innings Pitched
@@kasinocontroller But the current system makes relievers almost pointless. They combine to less than one starter.
@@ASG-nm4cz except that Ryan literally won because of his relief pitchers? so it's definitely not pointless.
@@Sashabug-gd2uk He won by .17 because Jake picked Jensen. As I said, all of the RPs combined add up to a 6th starter. That's how little impact they have.
Im looking forward to the winner of the NL West being whoever takes Ubaldo
Chris Martin last year was an absolute stud
Yeah he was
hbd ryan, SD legend
absolutely nasty bullpen from ryan
For this formula you could do innings pitched/ERA as the score then highest score wins. That way a lot of innings with a higher ERA is worth similar to fewer innings with a low era. Ex 120 innings with a 2 ERA is 60 pts but 180 innings with a 3 ERA is also 60 pts
I'm here to show BJ Ryan some love. Jolly out here slandering him and the Blue Jays for having "no good relievers". 2006 BJ Ryan would have been the best reliver he picked. But, he was also surprised when he picked the greatest single season a pitcher's had in the modern era, so, I guess it makes sense.
Andrew miller was on the orioles, Yankees and red Sox and was traded in division in 2014 from the red Sox to the orioles
Glad Koji got some respect finally
happy super wicked late birthday mr cohen
Love the storylines of these games. Who is the best fantasy baseball player at the company?
Happy belated Earth Day, Brian!
Koji Uehara 2013 was untouchable In the Sox World Series season
love these but I think Jolly messing up the Sale year should be some form of penalty. Not necessarily a zero, but he basically got Sale off the board and could default to Pedro in 2000. Not on purpose, I know. but it still should not benefit you in some way to be wrong.
Jake is such a goof ball bruh 😂👏
Diversa needs a camera feed for the reactions to these picks.
Jolly messing up sale and getting Pedro while the other guys couldn’t get either is wildly unfair defense😂
Happy birthday 🎉
You guys should do a WAR draft for each division
Any way to get the "Slam Diego" shirt that Ryan Cohen is wearing in black?
do you guys come in raw to these videos? or do you know the prompt and study before hand??
ryan cohen is a beautiful man! HBD my man
Skeptical at first. But formulated by Lucas put me at ease.
Holds draft must be next, for sure.
So that formula just sounds like pitcher WAR calculation but made from scratch.
While also completely ignoring the respective run environments of the time. For example, that 2000 Pedro Martinez season is absolutely insane.
Pitching in Fenway, in a high scoring AL East during the steroid era. I dunno, I feel like there's a better way to calculate this.
Its simple objective math. Why tf would they bring ballparks into it lmfao @@ahogg5960
It's literally the exact calculation of era
@@ahogg5960 why are u bringing run environments into such a simple calculation
@@Endalamubc run environments matter. Martinez’s season was that much more historic bc it was in one of the highest run scoring environments _ever_ . That’s why guys like Walter Johnson aren’t the GOAT
2022 Alek Manoah would have been an insane pull
Happy late bd Ryan
I do understand the reason for needing both stats but I do wish there was something to help identify during the game a number that's needed to win.
I think an improvement on this format would be 5 starters, 5 relievers, one from each team, and you need to reach at least 1000 innings collectively or something like that
HBD long time ago Ryan
I think next time they should just calculate earned runs and innings pitched per player. then calculate the "team era" after the draft.
Look at all those ER’sAs!!!
Pedro not the 1 is wild lol
Can we get an ERA+/OPS+ draft?
That... was... painful, lol. I think instead of double-statting it... Just go for lowest ERA and starters have to have at least 162 IP (what is required to qualify for ERA title) and 50 IP for a reliever (What is required to pitch to no longer be considered a rookie).
I don’t want more draft videos… I need them.
HDB Ryan!!
Great vid
That’s a cool Rockies shirt
What about drafting a team by AGE? Like you have to have every age 20-29 represented.
In my humble opinion there shouldn't be a inning's pitched bar of 150 to clear simply because the more a guy pitches, the more his individual era is worth.
If the first pick in the NL East draft isn't DeGrom idk who it will be
My Orioles strange pick would have been a guy I read about when I was a kid. I thought he had the most awesome name ever at the time, Urban Shocker. If this counted, he had 348 IP with a sub 3 ERA one year in the 1920s.
It’s only 2000s so that pick would not have been allowed
@@canaanlocke4375 Ah I see, darn XD
Curt schilling should be in the HOF
This game's nickname needs to be what-year-was-it-though.
Thanks for the shirt Jolly - does my heart good. Altho we have to admit that The Rockies are truly one of - if not THEE worst - Sports Franchises ever. If that SOB Monfort doesn't sell this team soon - I'm going to lose my mind.
W video just watched it all
the volume at which i was screaming "ALEK MANOAH" at my computer. 2015 chris archer wouldn't have been a bad pick either
Ryan’s Orioles starter pick should not qualify because his pitched innings were less than 150.
Same for Shane Mcclanahan.
Then I can cheat my own with picking Clay Buckholtz (2013) with 1.74 ERA in 108 1/3 innings.
Just so you know, Jake, the second the U went up I said "Ubaldo"
Why not just the 200*ERA/innings?
Minimum of 150 IP rule just evaporated instantly.
No josh becket mentioned
Simple era x 100 divided by innings pitched
People forget 2007 Erik Bedard
I feel like this is basically just a pitching WAR draft but it’s presented in a more confusing format
Why does birthday boy have two black eyes
happy birthday
Shoutout to Camden yards in the intro!!
RA Dickey for the Blue Jays woulda been ok
Bedard!
I still don’t get why naming a player and him being on the wrong team takes them off the board
Should still let others be able to guess
Serious game flaw what Jolly did there. He took the top two Red Sox off the board with one pick. People should be doing that intentionally and u have to come up with a way to combat it. It’s not fair play
W vid
No Mo is crazy
Sometimes less is mo'.
YES