This PERFECTLY GOOD Saturn Sky Engine FAILED... Tearing It Down To See Why
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- We installed a brand new LDK engine in Gabe's 2007 Saturn Sky Redline. The old LNF turbo failed catastrophically and filled the exhaust with oil and the oil with metal. Today we're tearing down the 2.0L 4 cylinder to see if there was every any real damage to it or if we could've put it back together with a new oil pump and kept it in service. After looking at all the bearings it seems like the oil filter did its job and this engine was fine for the most part... the timing set was trash when we removed it, there was a lot of wear and the shoes had fallen off the chain guides.
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Thanks for keeping the content going while you are obviously in the middle of the moving transition!
Gabe is just always a treat.
Even between buildings you still manage to keep us entertained.
I love the explanations of how it all works as your pulling it apart. Your mechanic skills are impressive Hope to see the new place soon
The overall HD design and the metallurgy in the ecotec turbos is pretty amazing. My 05 Saab 2.0T manual with 208k miles running 16-18psi tune for the final 80k miles, drove hard most of the time, still had 210psi on all 4 cylinders. The big problem was the balance chain tensioners failed around 160, but if you do those chains religiously, and keep the 02 sensors and oil reasonably fresh, the motor will run forever.
Also.. You do not need a tool to do the timing chain on the Ecotec engines. All you need is a 23 MM wrench to hold the cams when you loosen and tighten the phaser bolts. When you put the chain on you wrap over the intake phaser and then down around the crank sprocket making sure to get all of the slack onto the exhaust cam side of the crank sprocket. Then you pull the chain up over to the exhaust cam. You have to have the exhaust phaser in hand and not bolted to the cam. Position the phaser in the chain so the timing marks align and then pull the phaser and chain up and get the phaser onto the end of the exhaust cam. Then you rotate the exhaust cam using a wrench clockwise until the phaser pushes all the way on. It's as simple as that. Make sure to unlock the tensioner once it is screwed in and rotate the engine by hand 4 full rotations to make sure the timing is right and a valve is not going to smack a piston. Unplug the coil packs and loosen the nut for the oil feed. Keep some paper towels handy and crank the engine until you get oil coming out of the oil feed. towels are to clean up the oil. One you get oil finish putting everything back together and start it up..
Hey be careful, you are going to have an accident and get some road rash soon.
Hope the move is going well.
😂😂😂 how did you know!? It happened a few days later!
I hope the buyer is cool and working with you. I actually had to rent my house for a week because it hadn't officially closed yet and I needed to be gone already. We had to move 5 cars 5 miles too, 2 of them hadn't been started in 10 years but everything drove here under its own power.
This video was done before the total move.
@@stevenwisneiski8413 Yes, I figured that out, thought it was weird seeing a bunch of cars in there again but I was still watching it when I posted.
It does seem the new owner is cool though as he was moving his stuff in while JR was getting the last of the small stuff out.
Considering what the place was used for and trying to get everything inspected and closed I think they both needed to work with each other to get everything out and his toys in.
It's better to wear out, then rust out!
Keep it up gentlemen.
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I like the post mortems, what a difference from those Audi engines. I don’t know how they can justify building those engines with 6 different fastener head types. Hats off to GM. Have you looked into the design of your Volt’s power train. That’s the most amazing of all.
There is a guy on RUclips that just does engine teardowns, pretty good channel, high end engines too like hellcats cobras exotics etc
@@bgee461 What is the name of that channel?
@@JohnDoe-zr6bk I do cars
'GM builds the best engine'
Honda and Toyota: "Am I a joke to you?"
Americans come with domestic-product blindness pre-installed. I’ll continue to enjoy my Toyota 4.7L.
Yes
Bought my Civic new in 2012...ten years on and NOTHING has ever broken or gone wrong with the car or engine, it's reliable as the sunrise. Took it on a 2000 mile road trip about a month ago and averaged 41.8 mpg for the trip, and most of that was at 75 mph with the a/c on.
Toyota's Type A and F engines thanks GM for their design.
My 2015 crv 2.4 is a pile of garbage
I'm curious why you thought having a turbo failure would send metal into the oiling system? If it was on the compressor side, the glitter would go into the intake tract, through the t-body, through the intake valves, then out the exhaust valve, through the inducer side of the turbo, then out the exhaust. The only place where it could mix with the oiling system is if it slipped past the rings - which would be unlikely. It could have hung the valves open, or scored the cylinder wall, but making it to the oiling system would be a stretch.
That could explain your low compression in the #2 cylinder - a minor gap in the valve.
Quality oil changed regularly can be one's best friend.
I am always so impressed that both of you know all the parts and what everything is and all that really cool stuff. I'm jealous I wish I could have gotten into that mechanic type stuff. That's really cool
I love these teardown videos. I have a much better understanding of some of the newer systems on cars.
I jumped when the block rolled over!! Lol .love your videos!!!
Gabe's Lonely Island ending iced that cake nicely!
You don't need the timing tool. Just hold cams in place with vice grips.
The Audi tear-down blew my complicated mind. This tear-down made sense in my American mind.
The colouration on the Crank is from the heat treatment process as the crank is Forged.
Makes sense, didn’t look like damage 🍻
@@WatchJRGo very smart man 🙏
Yeah, induction hardened, VAG uses the same process
Thanks for doing that. I have Sky redline 74,000 feel good about its future now .
The first balance shaft you pulled looked like it was making contact where it shouldn't have been. The bearings for the balance shafts were also cooked.
I always enjoy when Tom Cruise shows up at the shop to help😂
Tom wishes he was as KOOL as Gabe!!!!!!
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Really interesting to see, thanks for sharing it and tearing it down for us! I guess none of these teardowns had core charges... 😁 Now I kind of want to put a saved search for Saturn Sky...
C’mon with the new building John Ross🎉🎉🎉🎉 !
I don’t have it for another week 🍻
@@WatchJRGo looking forward to seeing what you bring us!
Hit me up...I have Alldata!
Lower Crankcase Seal is 16.7 hrs Standard.
@@WatchJRGo very cool
Technically, the electrical connector on the DI pump is not a fuel sensor, it’s an Actuator that adjusts or changes the DI rail pressure. The ECU will raise or lower the DI rail pressure in response to throttle position and combustion chamber pressure.
Whoa the engine looks fine 😲
2 Chainz is the best number of chainz!
Gabe: I'm an adult!
Me: X for Doubt 🤣
Seriously though, I can't believe how (overall) clean that engine was for 170K+, not worth rebuilding obviously but it was in phenomenal shape all things considered.
It was good news and bad news. Good news is the engine was in good shape but the bad news is you probably could’ve gotten away with just a new turbo
Kickass Muldownny that was really cool thanks for sharing this tear down on that failed motor yo.
I learned an interesting factoid today. Did you know that GM made refrigerators a long time ago?
And ovens, my brother still uses one 😳
@@WatchJRGo That I did not know. Wow! 🍻
@@WatchJRGo is it powered by 350 or 454 big block?🤣
Frigidaire, they were made in Dayton Ohio
Dayton Ohio was a very important hub of major manufacturing up until about 40 years ago, that’s when everything went overseas to be made
I have done over 60 gm ecotec timing chains and have never used any special tools. All the timing marks correspond with dots on the chains
Gabe - Does your new engine also have the Nigel Tufnel high performance cams? Only a few Redlines left the GM factory with the NTHP cams. Very rare & very impressive!
Nice Dane Cook reference 😂 This is my oil! I add a dash of cinnamon so I know it’s mine if it’s stolen! Haha
I'm no engine builder or machinist. But that engine looks great...
Special Guest Star GABE!
Another great video from JR. Thanks
Gabe looks so sad taking that apart.😕
You have officially made my day with making a lonely island reference lol.
Ahh the horded videos to upload during the move.
Waza Gabe, nice to see you again.
I'm no expert but I did the timing set on a 2.4 (looks about the same) and didn't use a tool, just lined up the marks on the chain and sprockets.
1:50 missed opportunity to say "2 Chainz and we own it"
Commenting for support!!
It's difficult to get a turbocharger to survive with the average driver because so many don't allow for a spool down/ cool down before shutting the engine off. Let it idle for at least 30 seconds before shutting it off. A couple of minutes is better because the housing is very hot and will cook the oil in the bearing.
Is that still an issue on modern water/oil and inter cooled turbos? I’ve not seen anything to support this. Obviously if you’ve been thrashing it you should let the general oil temp (and thus the engine and turbo) “cool”. Just curious,
I'm not sure that's still the case for the more modern applications, though, I think from force of habit, I still sit for a few minutes at idle before shutting down. Ha... I can still hear the beeping countdown of the old Greddy turbo timers!!
@@_chipchip Time hasn't changed the physics involved. Modern engines are run at high temperatures and crammed together in very tight spaces. Water, air and oil don't cool once they stop flowing when the engine is shut down. Intercoolers only cool the air from the turbo going into the engine. The oils today might be able to stand more heat that older oils but they will still break down with extreme heat. There are some systems that won't allow an engine to shut down until the exhaust temperature drops to an acceptable level. Some people have added electric oil pumps to flow oil through the turbocharger bearing for a set time after shutting down.
If I could help Watch JR Goes and Gabes tear down the Saturn Sky engine I would drink the shot of whiskey and cold Bartle Skeets with them, and pack up the Hash Pipe with Rocky with them and get all schmoked up.
Damn Those are some Thickk crank bearings.
U don’t need those timing tools for an ecotec. They’re super easy without it.
Gotta say. The train doesn’t bother me. You can hear it, but it’s not annoying. It’s just background sound.
It had the pumpkin spice oil for fall!
Well, that wasn't the most interesting Engine tear down because there was not much wrong with it. Still entertaining. The better engine tear down videos are the ones where there's a problem and the whole problem gets analyzed. Well, whatever. Good Video.
im truly shocked that garbage motors put oil jets in those. thats something real cars have.
There are 3 versions of the timing clamp.
I should’ve bought it myself 😥
Good morning watchjrgo fam!
Probably low compression due to soft valves. Gm had a problem with soft valves in Saabs from late 06 onwards could possibly be the issue
If the engine so good, why are you tearing it down and scraping it?
Maybe you can salvage parts, or, how about the block itself?
Anyway, interesting video.
I'll miss that car.
Okay, now you gotta fish out the cams and drop em on the ground. See if they break
For the mileage it looked good to me, Given the early demise it looks like it would have done 300,000 easy. Pans on the ground, Pans on the ground, WAlking all around with your pans on the ground.
I try to where my toetectors when working on heavy things as you never know when something is going to fall (what am I doing how can I be hamred buy it what can I do to protect myself and others ) if you have every seen the damage something heavy can do you will be afraid. Things can go very wrong in a split second.
Styrofoam casting? That explains why it looks like styrofoam. lmao
I've blown two ltg the new ecotecs now... one scarred to death and the other grew a butthole out the backside near the firewall
LNF sitting on my Shop Floor, waiting to go into its chassis
On 5his episode of WJRG GABE gets something in his eye... OK I'm in let's see why safety squints don't work.
"GM makes the best engines"...mostly. Allow me to introduce you to the LUJ/LUV from the Sonic/Cruze/Buick Encore lol
Should have just put a 5.3 in the car and called it a day , the sky should've come with a n/a 5.3 stock and a supercharged 5.3 as option ...
Looks like the garage is getting fuller?
My turbo shaft snapped in half too
on my 1.6D (still drove 20 miles home)
I put a video on my channel because I found it funny (pain in the backside but still funny lol)
The best content thanks JR
Gabe!
So, was the big wheel turbo the one that came apart?
Super informative, thx
So, do you now feel that you unnecessarily replaced the engine considering how good it looked inside?
I would like to buy the pistons for decorations in my home garage
Does Eric know about this?
JR does cars
Lots of resellable parts in that engine
Why are you still in this building or was this filmed before you had to vacate the building?
WatchJrGrow, his new company that supplies medicine for erectile dysfunction.... Lmao 😆
Sometimes you just have to send it!
Hmmm shaft play and stuff in the eye… what a coincidence!
*oil pan flies* - Is Gabe's middle name Thor?
🤔Maybe you should rebuild this one so when the new one goes out?
Did you close on Friday?
Aren’t you supposed to be outta there lol I didn’t watch the video yet lmao
Still in the same shop huh? What happened to 5 days.
Well, what with Josh's Hot Rod on the lift, he backloaded some content to tide us over while he is working on beginning his new shop.
We had to work ahead to move 🤷🏻♂️
We got the DeLorean up to 88 mph and travelled back in time.
Gabe! 👍🍻
YO!!
This video was in the can for awhile, Josh's hot rod isn't on the lift among other things. The mystery continues...
What's going on with the warehouse you are not talking about it anymore. I see your friends car in the hoist.
I’m busy moving 🍻
Great news I hope everything works out
Your happiness it's important helps your creativity.
Your dad its like my dad not easy growing up but great lessons in life
And tons of experiences that the joung generation dont have today.
I wish my dad was still alive
Make sure you spend quality time with family
I wish I was there to help you even at 62
You are worth spending time with
People like you one in a million
Yay Gabe 😀
The “correct” tool
You can almost date these videos by how much stuff is left in the background
A shop like that and no engine stand?
Bro hope it has sleeves
2Chainz!
These are timed with TDC being on the exhaust stroke. I'm sure you knew that though. That tool must have been total trash....
It was straight up hot garbage.
He will find your oil leak. Your engine will be disassembled but you will know where your oil leak is coming from.
If you have a Honda 2.4 and the VCT Actuator rattles at start. Honda will replace if car is less than 150000 miles it is a emissions recall. I had it done for free on my 2012 Accord . It is a $500 or more job so get honda to do it for free.
Hey!
Yo! 🍻
I don't know how to explain to you that a company that has engines blow up at 175K is NOT making the best engines.
well... to be fair, we put an aftermarket turbo on it prior to that happening....