Why you can't deny Mary is the Mother of God w/ Tim Staples
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Can Jesus be "Son" if He doesn't have a mother? Catholic Answers' apologist Tim Staples argues that this is one reason the Church teaches that Mary is Jesus' mother.
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Matt, this is very interesting topic....Gbu both of you...
God through the Angel, praised her by calling her Kaire, Kecharitomene!! No other person in Scripture is called that way, none.
Yeah and god called Abram Abraham no one else in Scripture is named abraham. And saul was renamed to Paul and no one else in scriptures is called Paul. I'll stop at those two because you should get the idea. Just because a word is only used once in the bible doesn't make the thing it is about or what it is special especially not as special as being God's mother like that's just dumb to call some one god's mother even in a figurative sense because an angel complemented her.
Mary is "Kecharitomene" as the angel said. If we look in the Greek translations, we could see that Mary already had the grace long before the Annunciation. It denotes an action having taken place in the past, before the announcement of the angel, and one that continues throughout her existence.
Kecharitomene, the perfect passive participle, shows a completeness with a permanent result.
All translations should have the word "grace" because that's the root word ( charis ).This word is directly concerned with the idea of "grace". According to Greek scholars, the origin of kecharitomene comes from the word "charis", which literally means "grace". About 150 times it appears, the KJV Bible translates 129 times "charis" to "grace" but it is not properly translated when we talk about Mary in the KJV. And some old versions of Protestant bible also say "full of grace"
English-speaking scholars tell us "Kecharitomene" denotes, based purely on the definition of the word and its grammatical usage:
" 'Highly favoured' (kecharitomene). Perfect passive participle of charitoo and means endowed with grace (charis), enriched with grace as in Ephesians 1:6 . . . The Vulgate gratiae plena [full of grace] "is right, if it means 'full of grace which thou hast received'; wrong, if it means 'full of grace which thou hast to bestow' "(A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament, p. 14).
The angel did not come to tell Mary that she will become full of grace. She was already and permanently in this state.
Mary is not the only woman whom the Scriptures call blessed. Because of the actions that Jael took for the benefit of the ancient nation of Israel, she too was said to have been “most blessed among women.” (Judges 5:24) Faithful Jael, Mary, and many other godly women mentioned in the Bible are certainly worthy of our imitation-but NOT our veneration!!
@@The_name105 That actually helps the Catholic point. Kecharitomene is the Greak translation of “grace”, in full of grace. It’s only used one more time in the Bible to denote the grace of Baptism, which cleanses you of all sin, original and personal. Furthermore, it’s in the perfect tense, indicating a perfect grace. Also, the first part of this translation is used in titles. So, “full of grace” is literally a title of Mary. Just like Abraham is a title. So, titles are important in the Bible, and tell us a certain meaning about that person. “Abraham”, means father of many nations, and this is true about who he is. “Full of grace”, must be true about how Mary is. Furthermore, this Full of grace indicates a past Full of grace, meaning She was always full of grace, sinlessness
@@kyrptonite1825 grace doesn't equal perfection. And nouns don't have tense. Also perfect doesn't mean sinless in the context of tense names. Also Mary being called a title has nothing to do with anything. We all have titles aka names. Even objects have titles aka nouns. So unless you wanna express how poop could be the mother of God as long as you give it a fancy title then back off.
Mary isn't the spiritual mother of God.
Jesus means GOD SAVES or GOD THE SAVIOR in Hebrew, that is why Mary is the mother of GOD THE SAVIOR. He is also called "IMMANUEL" in the Book of Isaiah 7:14 meaning GOD WITH US in Hebrew, this is why Mary is the true mother of God ! God chose to have a mother in the bubble of space and time, God humbled himself to the world, men and angels. PHIL 2:6-8 ; HEB 2:9
PHILIPPIANS 2:6-8 6 Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men, and in habit found as a man. 8 He humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, even to the death of the cross.
HEBREWS 2:9 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour: that, through the grace of God, he might taste death for all.
Jesus is God ! The Trinity is inseparable. God chose to have a mother read LUKE 1 ! Are you making Elizabeth a liar when she said that Jesus is His Lord in LUKE 1:43 when she met Mary was about to approach her ? LUKE 1:43 [ And whence is this to me, that THE MOTHER OF MY LORD should come to me? ]
The Lord Jesus Christ has a mother and He is God, so the Lord God Jesus Christ has a mother. When the Lord Jesus Christ was born by Mary, He is no longer simply Jesus as God, but rather, He became Jesus as God who became Man (JOHN 1:14) or Jesus as God who was manifested in the flesh (1 TIMOTHY 3:16).
Jesus as God who became Man or Jesus as God who was manifested in the flesh has to have a mother, for otherwise, how will Jesus as God become Man or manifest in the flesh if He has no mother?
And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: and she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among WOMEN, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the MOTHER OF MY LORD should come to me? (LUKE 1:41-43)
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. (1 CORINTHIANS 12:3-5)
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. (DEUTERONOMY 6:4-5)
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. (1 CORINTHIANS 8:6 )
And Thomas answered and said unto him, MY LORD AND MY GOD. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. (JOHN 20:28-29)
(DEUTERONOMY 10:17) “For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward”
LUKE 1:43 REFERS TO THE JESUS WHO IS “THE” LORD, MEANING THE GREATEST AND THE HIGHEST OF ALL LORDS. THE SUPREME AUTHORITY OVER ALL:
REVELATION 19:16 “And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”
1 TIMOTHY 6:14-15 “That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords”
REVELATION 17:14 “These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
PHILIPPIANS 2:10-11 “That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Did Mary create the Holy Spirit, did Mary create the Father God who Jesus told us was greater than Jesus ?
This clip didn't go the direction I thought it would. As a Protestant I believe all persons of the trinity are eternal although the physical body of Christ didn't come from eternity past. I believe it's wrong to call Mary the Mother of God because it is a misunderstanding of the human nature of Christ. I believe in the hypostatic union, and that on the Cross the man Jesus of Nazareth died but the second person of the trinity did not. I believe it is heresy to say Mary is the Queen of Heaven, it is biblically inaccurate to say she was a perpetual virgin and was without sin.
What's especially fascinating is in Luke 11 Jesus shuts down the worship of Mary:
"As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”
28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
For these reasons I can't say it is right to say Mary is the Mother of God, and neither should you.
I agree. I think the original intent of the phrase 'mother of God' had less to do with Mary's nature and more to do with adhering to the deity of Christ, but it seems like some Catholics really want to use it to elevate Mary above what she really was (a sinner).
@Qwerty Yes so Jesus is both fully God and fully man, however the Son of God took on flesh. He had two natures. The flesh grew hungry and thirsty, fell asleep on a boat in a storm, died on the cross etc, but was not divine.
Mary gave birth to a boy but didn't give birth to God as God is eternal and uncreated.
@Qwerty not so. The two natures are united, but are not one and the same. In the same way the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one in Essence but not in Person, Jesus of Nazareth and the Second Person of the Trinity are united but Jesus's humanity is not Divine.
@Qwerty I'm only making the distinction because this is in the context of calling Mary the mother of God. To me, that would signify Mary was before, creator and greater than God, because God is dependent on having a mother and someone greater than Him giving birth to Him.
This is especially pertinent if people are saying Mary is Queen of Heaven, in and of herself without sin, a perpetual virgin, has a special grace to be able to intercede in Heaven on our behalf, when Jesus is the mediator between God and man, and when Jesus says in Matthew 6 to pray to the Father, not through any Saint dead or alive.
If this conversation were about the relationship between the human and divine natures of Christ I'd say they are united together in the person of Jesus.
@@Hello-ro8fq No, but the Son of God is both fully man and fully God. The fully God nature was not born of Mary, the fully man nature was. I think this conversation is about the definition of mother in relation to the person of God. I'm making a technical distinction mainly because of the other titles, qualities and roles the Roman Catholic Church have given Mary, which I vehemently oppose. My opposition does not mean I deny Christ's divinity as I have seen some Catholics argue.
Or in other words I wouldn't be making these arguments if we weren't talking about Mary.
Mary was the mother of the physical manifestation of God, not the mother of God That why Jesus is call the son of God. Colossians 1. 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature. Also the spiritual word does not follow the concept use in this physical word. Mark 12. 25 For when they will be resurrect from the dead, they shall neither marry, nor be given in marriage, but they are like angles in heaven ( this apply to all of us). All those that accept Jesus as their savior be come son of God even Mary had to accept Jesus as her savior .( In Luke 1. 38 Then Mary said: Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord...) . John 1. 12 Yet whoever did accept him, those who believe in his name, he gave them the power to become the sons of God (this include Mary). Your teaching fall into what Paul identify as another gospel [Galatians 1.6 I wonder that you have been so quick transferred, from him who called you into the graces of Crist, over to another gospel. ] you are following Fables as Paul warned Timothy 1 Timothy 1. 4
The phrase mother of God traces back to the third century and continues to be used in some liturgical churches, including the Roman Catholic Church. One of the topics at the Council of Ephesus in AD 431 was the use of the Greek term Theotókos (literally, “God-bearer” or “the one who gives birth to God”) in reference to Mary. That council’s use of Theotokos was meant to counter the heresy of Nestorianism, which cleaved the nature and person of Christ in two: Christ’s human and divine natures were completely divergent and unconnected. According to Nestorius, Mary gave birth to Christ but not to God; Mary was the mother of His humanity, which was totally distinct from His divinity-Jesus was two persons sharing one body, essentially. The Council of Ephesus affirmed the full deity of Christ and unity of His person by saying that Mary did indeed bear God in her womb. Mary is the “mother of God” in the sense that, since Jesus is God and Mary is the mother of Jesus, she is the mother of God. The Word became flesh (John 1:14), and Mary mothered Him.
We should distinguish the term Theotokos from mother of God, because there is a subtle yet important difference. The term mother of God could be taken wrongly as implying that Mary was the source or originator of God, similar to how Juno was the mother of Vulcan in Roman mythology. Of course, Christianity teaches that God is eternal and that Jesus Christ has a pre-existent, divine nature. The idea that Mary is the mother of God in the sense that she was the source of God or somehow predated God or is herself part of the Godhead is patently unbiblical.
Great one!
Good clip guys
You are interpreting bible how you want. The scripture saying anyone who does the will of my father is my mother and brother does not mean mary is not jesus mother . The 2nd person in the trinity is god the son. Mary is mothet of god cuz she is mother of god the son. Catholics are not saying she's mother of god the father
So was Jesus's soul, which gave him life came forth, Mary? Was no Jesus before Abraham like he said. Bro, please stop this craziness. And btw Father is not a name. My good, how ignorant
You can not separate jesus humanity and divinity !. Mary is the mother of god, God the son. Not God the father.
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen
Not “theotukos” ... it’s TheoTokos
Jesus my Salvation Poor you!!! All in that prayer is God’s word. It is biblical. You blind fool!! It is God’s will that she be praised for what He has done for her.
Luke 1:46
“And Mary said, My soul doth MAGNIFY the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth ALL GENERATIONS SHALL CALL ME BLESSED. For he that is mighty hath DONE TO ME GREAT THINGS; and holy is his name.
@@atgred praise. Does not meam communicate nor worship
@@atgred
" Jesus my Salvation Poor you!!! All in that prayer is God’s word. It is biblical. You blind fool!! It is God’s will that she be praised for what He has done for her.
Luke 1:46
“And Mary said, My soul doth MAGNIFY the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth ALL GENERATIONS SHALL CALL ME BLESSED. For he that is mighty hath DONE TO ME GREAT THINGS; and holy is his name. "
All who follow Christ are blessed. Your example is an exercise in eisegesis and going beyond the written word. Mary acknowledge she needed a Savior because ALL have sinned.
Luke 1:46-47
And Mary said, “My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
I can and will deny that Mary is the mother of God! If Mary is the Mother of God then who is the father God? This would mean that Mary is a "Goddess" herself. However in the begining of creation, there is no mention of Mary being at God's side in which case she would be an eternal being like God! Mary (actually her name is Miriam in Hebrew) has been raised to the status of a "goddess" which is a heresy and this needs to be pointed out! Mary is only the mother of our Lord Jesus' humanity not his divinity!
Father God?
Not sure what you mean by this.
He, Christ, the second person of the Trinity humbled himself for our humanity and was incarnate of the Virgin Mary and became man.
Anything less than Her being the Mother of the Second person of the Trinity degrades his salvic act on the cross.
It destroys the hypostatic union
And allows for heresy to take hold.
God can do what ever he wants you don't get to put god in a box
Hey Matt, I was wondering if you could make a video discussing communion and refraining from receiving on the tongue during the pandemic. Thank you!
Cathol church has not errors. You prodestants are on other side of the line you are blinded. Everything was passed down by Jesus to the apostles and down thru the centuries. You don't want to be wrong so you bash this video. Then don't watch it. That's the devil pulling you away and blinding your ears and heart and mind
Sure. the Person of the son took human form with all our liminations.
But the Person of the Son already pre-existed before Mary. The Trinity (which is already referenced in the old testament) was already there in the pre-existence.
So Mary is still not the Mother of the Person of the Son. While sure, Mary could be the most blessed human... she is still not the mother of Divinity. She birthed Jesus body, not doubt about it. There is a reason why Jesus is called the incarnation. Doesnt mean she created the person of the son.
The Church doesn't claim she birthed the Person of Christ in the idea that He wasn't a Person until He was born from Mary.
She is the Mother of God because she gave birth to the Person of Christ because one doesn't just bear a body and not a person with it. That Baby really was God the Son, Jesus Christ, His Whole Person, born of Mary.
He was/is God at conception, and she really gave to the Person of Christ.
@@loganrieck4750 Do you think Mary knew she was the mother of God? If so, where in the NT does it say this?
@@Justas399
*Luke 1: 43*
English Standard Version
And why is this granted to me that the *Mother of my Lord* should come to me?
@@javierjosemolinapineda1735 I agree, St. Elizabeth's immediate response to knowing our Lord in the Virgin, along with St. John the Baptist leaping in the womb leaves us no room to think our Lady was unaware.
Mary being the mother of God means Mary's Son is God. It doesn't meant Mary created God. Never did.
You wake up mary is his mother
WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS, THE ONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE A BEGINNING NOR END HAVE A MOTHER? WAKE UP THERE IS NO SCRIPTURAL BASIS.
‘the Word was made flesh’ [John 1:14]
“This expression, however, ‘the Word was made flesh’ [John 1:14], can mean nothing else but that he partook of flesh and blood like to us; he made our body his own, and came forth man from a woman, not casting off his existence as God, or his generation of God the Father, but even in taking to himself flesh remaining what he was. This the declaration of the correct faith proclaims everywhere. This was the sentiment of the holy Fathers; therefore they ventured to call the holy Virgin ‘the Mother of God,’ not as if the nature of the Word or his divinity had its beginning from the holy Virgin, but because of her was born that holy body with a rational soul, to which the Word, being personally united, is said to be born according to the flesh”- St. Cyril of Alexandria (First Letter to Nestorius [A.D. 430]).
Although Mary is the Mother of God, she is not his mother in the sense that she is older than God or the source of her Son’s divinity, for she is neither. Rather, we say that she is the Mother of God in the sense that she carried in her womb a divine person-Jesus Christ, God “in the flesh” (2 John 7, cf. John 1:14)-and in the sense that she contributed the genetic matter to the human form God took in Jesus Christ.
Ecumenical Council of Ephesus
“We confess, then, our Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, perfect God and perfect man, of a rational soul and a body, begotten before all ages from the Father in his Godhead, the same in the last days, for us and for our salvation, born of Mary the Virgin according to his humanity, one and the same consubstantial with the Father in Godhead and consubstantial with us in humanity, for a union of two natures took place. Therefore we confess one Christ, one Son, one Lord. According to this understanding of the unconfused union, we confess the holy Virgin to be the Mother of God because God the Word took flesh and became man and from his very conception united to himself the temple he took from her” (Formula of Union [A.D. 431]).
509 'Mary is truly "Mother of God" since she is the mother of the eternal Son of God made man, who is God himself.'- Catechism of the Catholic Church
Spiritually speaking (gender aside), Mother Mary (matriarchal) wisdom can begin with a fundamental understanding of the cyclical nature of reality (God).
Represented by the snake in many creation myths, the living cycle has a trinity of a beginning (head), a middle and end (tail). As above so below, the sexes were created in the image of God's cyclical nature where Mother is the head and opening to all beginnings and Father holds the tail to all endings (through which the sowing of seeds allow for the next great matriarchal rebirth).The joining of the two (symbolized by the Ouroborus or the marriage ring) is the sacred union needed in assuring the creation and continuation of new life cycles. To speak of the present day God as "Our Father" is simply an admission to our collective positioning within the bigger cycle.
As all mothers have direct experience with the creator quality of birthing, so is the direct experience of rebirthing the divinity within (baptism) belong to that which is spiritually matriarchal. (John 3, verse 3-8).
Sekhmet statues (ancient Egyptian) carry most of their weight in symbolic memory of what was a mother culture dedicated to the direct experience of baptism. As the leg shaped hairlocks extend from maternal breasts to the womb of rebirth, the lioness's head proportions are such that they highlight the bust of a second animal figure. The Lioness's ears as eyes and eyes as nose (nostrils) brings to life the figure of a reptile. 'Neath the halo headress of the solar egg, the lioness's egg fertilization process being internal (Set) and the reptile's egg fertilization process being external (Setting), such being key components to the safety of entering the trans-egoic or "born again" state. The life threatening fear associated with the predatory nature of a lion and/or crocodile encounter are reflective of the intense ego death experiences associated with the transpersonal awakening process.
In spiritually matriarchal times, illumination could be seen as wearing the false beard (ancient Egyptian funerary ego death mask) as the high state of cyclical self knowing; high cyclical awareness of both our upper matriarchal half and our lower (later) patriarchal half (compared with a mini lower body replica, an "as above so below" tail end beard extension); in full recognition of her civilizational Underworld; her inevitable cyclical destiny. The male pharaoh wears his beard tapered in reverse, indicating a pointing upwards towards the patriarchal head, divine representative of God's tail end cycle.
Mary's anointing and wiping of Jesus's feet with her hair can then be seen as "Head to tail" (toe) imagery as she descends her matriarchal head to his patriarchal feet, thus respectfully reenacting the understanding (natural descension) of the divine cyclical process. (John 12, verse 3)
To carry the Ankh was perhaps to symbolically carry that upper and lower understanding. As the upper matriarchal womb symbolised the fertile birthing of civilization, below, the now Christian cross is carried to place emphasis on the lower (later) "End Times" Father principle of the great cycle.
Ganesha, the elephant headed Hindu diety, displays a cyclical head to trunk symbolism and points to the Mother head of his matriarchal elephant society.
A whole temple was dedicated to the ancient Egyptian goddess Hathor, who is the matriarchal "Uterus" personified. ruclips.net/video/J0m0zJSEFK0/видео.html
"See all women as mothers, serve them as your mother. when you see the entire world as the mother, the ego falls away. See everything as Mother and you will know God." - Neem Karoli Baba
Matthew 12:46While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
48He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
What are you trying to say? 🤔
@@calson814
"What are you trying to say? 🤔"
I was trying to show that Jesus was not obsessed with His mother, because He multiple times in the Bible took peoples' attention away from her (that was just one example above)... He took the attention away from her probably because people were already becoming obsessed with her in His day...
In the Bible He many times does not even refer to her as mother but just calls her woman... Catholics do the exact opposite of what Jesus did in the Bible and put the attention back on Mary...
Is your argument that Jesus dishonoured His mother and broke a Commandment? Dangerous argument to make but then you're protestant so you obviously have no issue with being in error and placing your eternal soul at risk.
@ThatDude False. See below for the real scriptural explanation.
ruclips.net/video/kUdYeYy3NQA/видео.html
@@Maarten927 ‘the Word was made flesh’ [John 1:14]
“This expression, however, ‘the Word was made flesh’ [John 1:14], can mean nothing else but that he partook of flesh and blood like to us; he made our body his own, and came forth man from a woman, not casting off his existence as God, or his generation of God the Father, but even in taking to himself flesh remaining what he was. This the declaration of the correct faith proclaims everywhere. This was the sentiment of the holy Fathers; therefore they ventured to call the holy Virgin ‘the Mother of God,’ not as if the nature of the Word or his divinity had its beginning from the holy Virgin, but because of her was born that holy body with a rational soul, to which the Word, being personally united, is said to be born according to the flesh”- St. Cyril of Alexandria (First Letter to Nestorius [A.D. 430]).
Although Mary is the Mother of God, she is not his mother in the sense that she is older than God or the source of her Son’s divinity, for she is neither. Rather, we say that she is the Mother of God in the sense that she carried in her womb a divine person-Jesus Christ, God “in the flesh” (2 John 7, cf. John 1:14)-and in the sense that she contributed the genetic matter to the human form God took in Jesus Christ.
Ecumenical Council of Ephesus
“We confess, then, our Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, perfect God and perfect man, of a rational soul and a body, begotten before all ages from the Father in his Godhead, the same in the last days, for us and for our salvation, born of Mary the Virgin according to his humanity, one and the same consubstantial with the Father in Godhead and consubstantial with us in humanity, for a union of two natures took place. Therefore we confess one Christ, one Son, one Lord. According to this understanding of the unconfused union, we confess the holy Virgin to be the Mother of God because God the Word took flesh and became man and from his very conception united to himself the temple he took from her” (Formula of Union [A.D. 431]).
509 'Mary is truly "Mother of God" since she is the mother of the eternal Son of God made man, who is God himself.'- Catechism of the Catholic Church
The one true God created all including Mary! So how can a one true have a mother? Hmmmmmm
‘the Word was made flesh’ [John 1:14]
“This expression, however, ‘the Word was made flesh’ [John 1:14], can mean nothing else but that he partook of flesh and blood like to us; he made our body his own, and came forth man from a woman, not casting off his existence as God, or his generation of God the Father, but even in taking to himself flesh remaining what he was. This the declaration of the correct faith proclaims everywhere. This was the sentiment of the holy Fathers; therefore they ventured to call the holy Virgin ‘the Mother of God,’ not as if the nature of the Word or his divinity had its beginning from the holy Virgin, but because of her was born that holy body with a rational soul, to which the Word, being personally united, is said to be born according to the flesh”- St. Cyril of Alexandria (First Letter to Nestorius [A.D. 430]).
Although Mary is the Mother of God, she is not his mother in the sense that she is older than God or the source of her Son’s divinity, for she is neither. Rather, we say that she is the Mother of God in the sense that she carried in her womb a divine person-Jesus Christ, God “in the flesh” (2 John 7, cf. John 1:14)-and in the sense that she contributed the genetic matter to the human form God took in Jesus Christ.
Ecumenical Council of Ephesus
“We confess, then, our Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, perfect God and perfect man, of a rational soul and a body, begotten before all ages from the Father in his Godhead, the same in the last days, for us and for our salvation, born of Mary the Virgin according to his humanity, one and the same consubstantial with the Father in Godhead and consubstantial with us in humanity, for a union of two natures took place. Therefore we confess one Christ, one Son, one Lord. According to this understanding of the unconfused union, we confess the holy Virgin to be the Mother of God because God the Word took flesh and became man and from his very conception united to himself the temple he took from her” (Formula of Union [A.D. 431]).
509 'Mary is truly "Mother of God" since she is the mother of the eternal Son of God made man, who is God himself.'- Catechism of the Catholic Church
Jesus is God
Mary is the mother of Jesus
Therefore Mary is the mother of God
Invalid due to intransitive relation, fallacy of equivocation, and materially untrue.
Jesus is God who? The Son. Is He the Father or the Holy Spirit? Non est Pater, non est Spiritus. Yet, omnia Deus sunt.
Also, the relation of "mother" isn't transitive to God, because she did not give birth to God the Father, or His Spirit; only to Jesus incarnate.
Also, "is" is incorrect. She "was"the mother of Jesus, the Son of God. She died as all people do.
There is also material fallacy. Jesus preexists Mary. She was not His originator. More, Jesus consistently distanced Himself from Mary throughout His life: at the temple as a boy; "who are my mother and brothers... but whoever does the will of my Father"; also Luke 11:27-8. Just to name a few.
The syllogism should read:
Jesus is God the Son
Mary was the mother of Jesus
Therefore Mary was the mother of God the Son
Valid
havasmama05
Well put.
If Jesus is god and the Father is God? How many gods u have now?
@@tonyroque8262
The Son is God.
The Father is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
One God, three co-eternal, coequal persons all sharing the same divine attributes and all referred to as God in Scripture.
The Son is not the Father.
The Father is not the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not the Son.
@@1Andelina1
Jesus' siblings were not believers until after seeing him resurrected. Why would Jesus leave his mother in the care of unbelievers?
Mary was a sinner just like everyone else in need of a savior. The Queen of Heaven is a pagan godess that you can read about in Jeremiah.
Mary is our Mother because God is Our Father.
If you read the Holy scriptures, Jesus is always referred as the "son of man
The Great Theotokos, the Mediatrix of ALL graces, the Co-Redemptrix, the Queen of Heaven, our Mother and the most pure, most humble, most caring, most loving, most forgiving, most merciful, most attentive, all-giving, self-sacrificing creature God has ever made.
Our Queen, the Mother of God has instructed us to Pray the Holy Rosary daily (Fatima 1917)
Do we?
Many of our brothers and sisters will face eternal damnation if we do not pray for them. We may face it too. Pray the Holy Rosary DAILY!
Nowhere in Scripture does it assert that Mary is "he Mediatrix of ALL graces, the Co-Redemptrix, the Queen of Heaven, our Mother and the most pure". These are false doctrines.
@@Justas399
Protestants who argue that Mary is not the mother of God do not seem to realize that it is not logically consistent to believe that Jesus is God and to deny that Mary is the mother of God. In reality that position denies the divinity of Jesus Christ, who is a divine person with two natures .
Fact: Jesus Christ is God. The Bible teaches it in many places (John 1, 1; John 20, 28; John 8, 58; Isaiah 9, 6; etc.).
Fact: Mary is the mother of Jesus. The Bible teaches it in many places (Luke 1:31; Matthew 1:25, etc.).
Undeniable conclusion : Mary is the mother of God.
Luke 1, 31-32: “And you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, whom you will name Jesus. He will be great and called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give him the throne of David, his father. "
Isaiah 7:14: "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call His name Immanuel [God with us]."
The Bible indicates that Mary is the mother of Emmanuel, which means "God with us".
Luke 1, 43: “[Elizabeth said]: From where to me that the mother of my Lord comes to me? "
Elizabeth explicitly says that Mary is the mother of the Lord, who is the only Lord Jesus Christ, who is God.
Ephesians 4, 5: "Only one Lord, one faith, one baptism ...".
John 20, 28: “Thomas answered and said: My Lord and my God! "
Protestants point out that the divine nature of God is eternal and without beginning, which is certainly true. Since the nature of God is eternal and certainly does not come from Mary, they argue that Mary cannot be said to be the "mother" of God . This is the main argument of the Protestants on this point. It is a very poor argument.
The Protestant error on this point is that they attribute to the person of the Son of God only what belongs to the divine nature . They do not attribute to the person of the Son of God what belongs to him or corresponds to his human nature.
Because the Son of God truly became man, by not attributing to him what belongs to his human nature, they actually deny that Jesus Christ is both true God and true man.
The Son of God, Jesus Christ, is a divine person (the second person of the Holy Trinity) with two natures. He is true God and true man. Jesus Christ is not a man who was united with or inspired by God. No, He is the true God who truly became man .
@@tryhardf844 Thank you for that
@@Justas399 To a protestant they are false doctrines but to a Catholic they are the shining truth of the true faith which contains the fullness of truth. Sola scriptura is not biblical. God reveals certain truths with time. Divine revelation has been progressive throughout time. All was not revealed in Holy Scripture. Think Lourdes, think Fatima. God wants all His graces for humanity to flow through His Mother. God has deemed it so. You may disagree with Him but I submit to His will. Satan does not want you to love the Mother of God or to give Her the rightful place and titles that Jesus wishes for her. Most of all, Satan does not want you to pray the Holy Rosary.
@@MyImmaculateQueen
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The Roman church has erred. God, by definition, is the Trinity. Mary isn't the mother of the Trinity. This errant doctrine of Mary as the Mother of God will bring down the Roman Church at end times. The Mighty himself will choose another woman to be the Queen of Heaven and Queen of the Angels and Queen of the Mighty.
Did Mary know she was the mother of God?
Yes, an angel came down and told her so
@@thethreefriends3002 Actually, the Angel only describes Jesus status.
Mary will give him birth,. but she is not the one giving Jesus the power.
& so continuing the angel NEVER says anything about Mary gaining some new status a "mother of God (YHWH)".
*Luke 1: 43*
English Standard Version
And why is this granted to me that the *Mother of my Lord* should come to me?
Ok. So how do you get from here to all of the Marian dogmas that claim she was without sin and queen of heaven? Scriptures never mention these things about her.
@@Justas399 Definitely listen to the whole interview with Tim Staples if you get the chance. He does a great job of explaining it all.
No Mary is not the mother of God only Jesus
We are not nestorian. We do not divide the natures of Jesus, his natures are hypostatically united, he is one divine person. God create the soul but we don't say that a mother is only the mother of her son's body, she is the mother of one person in his entirety.
‘the Word was made flesh’ [John 1:14]
“This expression, however, ‘the Word was made flesh’ [John 1:14], can mean nothing else but that he partook of flesh and blood like to us; he made our body his own, and came forth man from a woman, not casting off his existence as God, or his generation of God the Father, but even in taking to himself flesh remaining what he was. This the declaration of the correct faith proclaims everywhere. This was the sentiment of the holy Fathers; therefore they ventured to call the holy Virgin ‘the Mother of God,’ not as if the nature of the Word or his divinity had its beginning from the holy Virgin, but because of her was born that holy body with a rational soul, to which the Word, being personally united, is said to be born according to the flesh”- St. Cyril of Alexandria (First Letter to Nestorius [A.D. 430]).
Although Mary is the Mother of God, she is not his mother in the sense that she is older than God or the source of her Son’s divinity, for she is neither. Rather, we say that she is the Mother of God in the sense that she carried in her womb a divine person-Jesus Christ, God “in the flesh” (2 John 7, cf. John 1:14)-and in the sense that she contributed the genetic matter to the human form God took in Jesus Christ.
Ecumenical Council of Ephesus
“We confess, then, our Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, perfect God and perfect man, of a rational soul and a body, begotten before all ages from the Father in his Godhead, the same in the last days, for us and for our salvation, born of Mary the Virgin according to his humanity, one and the same consubstantial with the Father in Godhead and consubstantial with us in humanity, for a union of two natures took place. Therefore we confess one Christ, one Son, one Lord. According to this understanding of the unconfused union, we confess the holy Virgin to be the Mother of God because God the Word took flesh and became man and from his very conception united to himself the temple he took from her” (Formula of Union [A.D. 431]).
509 'Mary is truly "Mother of God" since she is the mother of the eternal Son of God made man, who is God himself.'- Catechism of the Catholic Church
Can you imagine how interesting this topic would be if there was any credible evidence that could actually substantiate the historicity of Jesus and Mary. Discussing mere mythology doesn't have the same appeal.
Historicity of Jesus is proved, you are just not aware of it.
Even your Richard Dawkins admits.
@@austinjoseph8849 You're right, I wasn't aware. And exactly how was the historicity of Jesus proven? And BTW, I don't speak for Richard Dawson, nor does he speak for me.
So about the evidence proving the historicity of Jesus, what evidence did you discover that 'proves' such?
Theo Skeptomai On the contrary. It is not those who believe Mary and Jesus did exist, it is those who say they did not to prove it. The burden is on the unbeliever. History has shown enough evidence of his existence. To think all of what his presence brought to the human race and say he did not exist is to be “intellectually arrogant “.
@@theoskeptomai2535
" You're right, I wasn't aware. And exactly how was the historicity of Jesus proven? ....So about the evidence proving the historicity of Jesus, what evidence did you discover that 'proves' such? "
How does one go about proving history?
@@rickdavis2235 By means of historical criticism - Six steps developed at University of Chicago for example.
I think you guys have had too many pints with Aquinas! Time to sober up.