I was born and baptised Catholic but in my early 20s began the happy clappy Protestant song and dance that lasted off and on for decades until I discovered my Catholic heritage in my 50's. Now I am a devout Catholic because it fully satisfies my soul that Protestantism never did, but I still really appreciate my Protestant experience because it led me to the deep truth of Catholicism.
And what is that deep truth? To do whatever the priests can think of next? Change positions over time to stay relevant? Commit heinous crimes and emit a half assed apology centuries later? Idolatry? Or what?
@xtreme survival If your point is that there are worst thing in there (Catholic church)? Yes, there are. About the idols and art and that any man made thing can be an idol, that would be true if we prayed to art, or asked our paintings for favours, no one does, don't pretend it's the same. I didn't bring up child molestation, but you did, why is that? Saying that the priests teach the same as Jesus, is the same as saying the Pharisees were following perfectly well God's will cause they got their teachings from Moses and he learned from God directly; so Jesus shouldn't have rebuked them... Yea... And no-one has answered my question: What is that deeper truth? All you can mutter are half assed defenses.
@Order Of The Black Cross About the idols and art and that any man made thing can be an idol, that would be true if we prayed to art, or asked our paintings for favours, no one does, don't pretend it's the same. I didn't bring up child molestation, but you did, why is that? Saying that the priests teach the same as Jesus, is the same as saying the Pharisees were following perfectly well God's will cause they got their teachings from Moses and he learned from God directly; so Jesus shouldn't have rebuked them... Yea... And no-one has answered my question: What is that deeper truth? All you can mutter are half assed defenses.
Just letting you know how to get to heaven 🫶🏼 State of Grace= heaven. State of mortal sin= hell. You can look up the difference. Once you commit a mortal sin, turn from it, meaning stop doing it and ask Jesus for forgiveness to enter the state of grace. If you fall back into mortal sin, keep turning away from it and asking for forgiveness, God bless ✝️
I also, like Leo, was a cradle Catholic. I attended Catholic grade school 1st-8th grade. I loved everything about my faith as a Catholic. I left the church at age 24. I became born again in a Protestant church and for the next 20 years learned to study the Bible, grow in my faith and also developed an arrogance on why Catholicism is wrong. At age 45 started going thru a really difficult period at my work. It was so bad that I felt God didn’t care about me. I started questioning my faith. One day I heard the Lord speak to me and tell me to go to Mass that night. I, in my Protestant arrogance, told the Lord that I was too good for the Catholics. I didn’t go and the following Monday I went to my pastor and told him that I felt the Lord was leading me back to the Catholic Church. He began to tell me I was all wrong, that the stress from my job was playing a big part in that - a change to escape my hostile work environment And then he had his associate pastors and the church secretary lay hands on me and pray that my mind would be clear enough to truly hear the Lord and “forget the nonsense and wrong thinking” about returning to the Catholic faith. Well, it worked. God did answer prayers. That following Saturday I heard the Lord speaking to me again and this time I went to Saturday night Mass. I sat in the last pew in the corner and wept and knew this is where I belong. I’m 68 now, have truly studied the faith, have grown in Bible study and devotions and am so thankful that He took me on that long journey to get to where I am now. Our 3 kids who were raised in the Protestant faith still don’t understand why I am Catholic. They stopped going to church. I don’t preach to them but they see me live my faith and I everyday and I share my faith with them when they ask about it. My actions speak volumes and that is how I what I want my witness to be - a sinner saved by Grace, who loves the Lord, and am so blessed by my journey with the Lord.
Obviously, you learned to study the Bible (Quote)... but did not walk in Faith bur walked in self arrogance and went back to the Catholic Faitb??? FIGURES!! Blessings.
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen
Hail Mary” and portions of the “Hail, Holy Queen” are blatantly unbiblical. While the first part of the Hail Mary is almost a direct quotation from Luke 1:28, there is no scriptural basis for (1) praying to Mary, (2) addressing her as “holy,” or (3) calling her “our life” and “our hope.” Praying the rosary involves giving attributes to Mary that the Bible never gives her. To call Mary “holy”-the Catholic Church teaches that Mary never sinned or had any taint of original sin-is not biblical. The Bible calls all believers “saints,” which can be interpreted as “holy ones,” but Scripture says that the righteousness believers have is the imputed righteousness from Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21).
@@roselaqueen3105 Elizabeth called her blessed, hail Mary full of Grace is from the Bible, and was how the angel Gabriel addressed her... The next part of the prayer comes from Elizabeth when her child leaps for joy as soon as he hears her voice... Then the rest of the prayer is asking her to pray for us... If we thought she was God why on earth would we ask her to pray for us.. doesn't make any sense. Anyway what about the holy commandment "respect thy mother and father" does the mother of Jesus the God man not deserve our respect! As for being holy, I mean if you were God who would you choose to be the mother of your son, the average mom full of sin, or a holy woman who wants nothing more than to serve the Lord?
I came into the Church from a secular Jewish background. I devoured the teachings of the Catholic Church but had a stumbling block with Mary; not as Protestants do because I had no anti-Marian background to deal with. I would do what I later learned Chesterton did: I moved on, accepting the Church with confidence and putting off the question of Marian devotion, expecting that God would make sense of it to me in time. One day, it happened. Mary broke through my coldness to her and made sense to me. How happy I am for that.
Amazing that the whole new testament is about Jesus and what He has done and you run to His mortal dead mother, spirit alive in the heavenly realm ,and call upon her ?
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 Amazing that you would disrespect the woman who God chose to enter physically into his creation. The problem isn't that Catholics put Mary too high but rather protestants put Jesus too low. Almost at the level of a demi god when Jesus is consubstantial with the Father.
I was born and raised Catholic, and I've been to protestant churches while being respectful and keeping an open mind through invitations from friends who tried to convert me, but none came close to how I felt in the Catholic church... Praise The Lord and his church!!!
Invite them to a Catholic Mass(of course they can't receive communion) and see if they are as "open" as you were. “We must hold to the Christian religion and to communication in her Church, which is catholic and which is called catholic not only by her own members but even by all her enemies. For when heretics or the adherents of schisms talk about her, not among themselves but with strangers, willy-nilly they call her nothing else but Catholic. For they will not be understood unless they distinguish her by this name which the whole world employs in her regard”- St. Augustine of Hippo (The True Religion 7:12 [A.D. 390]).
Before Jesus ascended into heaven from the Mount of Olive Jesus told His disciples that he was going to give them a comforter to replace Him when He was gone who would tell them everything that Jesus wanted Him to tell them. My Catholic friends, who is that person? Is it Mary or the Holy Spirit? It is the Holy Spirit who came from heaven down to earth into our body not one who came from earth up to heaven as a woman. Mary's bones are still on earth in a grave somewhere here on earth but her spirit is in Hades waiting for her judgment day like the rest of human beings created in God's image. Don't make Mary a goddess or your mother she is only your sister in Christ. She was the mother of our Lord Jesus Christ as fully man only for the purpose of bringing Him into this world, and fully Divine who came from God the Father in heaven down to earth. (Emmanuel God with us). Also, Jesus never said to pray to Mary but only to our Father in heaven. Catholics sure like to twist the scriptures to fit their narrative belief. RCC teaches a different gospel from the Bible or from the apostle Pau teachings therefore your religion is cursed by God. It is a pagan religion that worships statues which makes you idolaters and sinners that will send you to hell. Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with God through His son Jesus Christ.
@@laurenp1618he also gave them to the rest of the apostles and the context is within church discipline. That’s it. Catholics have added so much to this one verse it’s insane.
@@KnightFel Read all of Matthew 16:13-20 known as "Peter's Confession about Jesus". You shouldn't read Matthew 16:19 in isolation. Matthew 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter said in reply, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus said >>to him
What should seem obvious to everyone is why Catholics describe Jesus and Mary’s relationship from Mary’s standpoint first, and not from the actual preeminent One, from Jesus standpoint. Is it or is it not true that Jesus created Mary? if Mary is not divine then, obviously, he did create her. Why wouldn’t we speak about Mary as being Jesus creation? Also, the mother father analogy in the human sense falls flat. If we concede that the mother and father are not the source of the child’s soul, then it is technically accurate to say that the mother and father are the source of his body. He tries to make the point that this isn’t true, but it obviously is. So then, what do we mean when we say that a woman is someone’s mother? We are describing the physical, genetic lineage and the accompanying authority that they have over the child as parents. It is not meant to describe the “soul “relationship between the parents and the child. So, in what sense is Mary “the mother of God“? Does she have authority over Jesus the way that the father has authority over Jesus? This is blasphemy, if Jesus is greater than Mary as God, then she is not His mother AS God, but not in the human sense, as she exercised authority over him and the human relationship which is important to define because one of the commandments is to honor your father and your mother, and Jesus would not be exempt from this. I could say more, but I will stop there.
Are you the mother of a person or a nature when, you give Birth? If you are the Mother of a Person, then you are therefore mother of a body and soul, since a person is both body and rational soul. To say Mary is the Mother of the Human Side of Jesus only would be to split Jesus into two Persons, one human and one divine, which is a Christological heresy, and is why the term Mother of God was used in the first place. Jesus is however, One Person, who Had Two Natures, Divine, and Human, in One Person. This is called the Hypostatic Union. To get around this you would have to say one of three things: Jesus is two Persons (heresy( Jesus was not God from the beginning, but became God (heresy) You give birth to a nature, not a person Yes, God creates the soul upon conception, while the parents help create the body, but nobody would say that their mom is only the mother of their body, but the mother of them specifically. Plus, it’s not like you are a soul trapped in a body, but the teaching is you literally are your body, that’s why we have the Resurrection of the dead , we, humans, are made to be Body and Soul, not just Soul. Furthermore, no, obviously, Mary did not create God, God always existed, and Created Mary. We are merely saying that since Mary is the Mother of the Person of Jesus Christ, Who is God, then Mary must be the Mother of God. Hope that makes sense.
@@ccookRomans amen Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. ❤️ God bless you my friend
Mary has always been a favorite that I've accepted as long as I can recall, because my grandmother took me to mass from at least my age 3 years of age on.
Ironic how having grown leaving my juvenile assumptions and learning from these silly attacks from many, I have begun to appreciate Catholicism in my return from nowhere
John 19:26-27 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son," and to the disciple, "Here is your mother." (NIV)
Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now until the hour of our death Amen
@Lunar Night the burning bush passage i am the God of abraham the God of isaac and the God of Jacob. God is the God of the living not of the dead, so you greatly err
Vincent Ardizzone it’s israel...apocalyptic literature-especially revelation-should be read as it was intended, meaning you have to correctly interpret its symbolism.
He is a deceiver. Did Jesus die once and for all sin? or must you atone for your own sin in purgatory? Is there one mediator between God and man, the Man Christ Jesus, or is Mary as the catechism states is a co mediatrix? Dont be deceived. Go look up Richard Bennet of BereanBeacon read his books. A priest for 25 years who came to know Christ and exposed Catholcism for its false teachings.
I was gonna start my rcia classes before the virus decided to make people crazy. Now i don't know when they're gonna start back up. I'm hearing maybe September for the church by me. But the confusing thing is, is that I'm 16. That's a problem cause i wanna be put with the adults who actually want to be there and are educated on the subject like i am. Anyway i dunno why i said that cause i doubt anyone cares but o well😐
Good luck, and welcome to the truth. RC has a Marian edge even over orthodoxy (Immaculate Conception and the Lourdes and Fatima miracles, and the rosary recognized by Mary), so as I said, welcome to the truth.
I wonder if protestants scholars knew of the Papyrus 470 which is the oldest papyrus that contains prayer to Mary dating 250 AD before even Constantine reigns and before any Council (so u cant make an argument that Constantine or Council of Ephesus made the movement of worshipping Mary) is made , i encourage everyone to go check it , it is preserved in John Rylands Library in Manchester , It’s the Sub Tuum Praesidium, and it goes like this: Beneath your compassion, We take refuge, O Mother of God [Theotokos]: do not despise our petitions in time of trouble: but rescue us from dangers, only pure, only blessed one. Wow they called her Theotokos , only pure , only blessed? Isnt this made up in the Council of Ephesus ? No Early Christians all knew of the status of Mary and her wonders she make with people whom call her , they loved her and she loves her children also 🤗🥰🥰🥰 💞💞💞🕊🕊🕊🕊
@Peter Dennis Am Happy u like it , thats the early church 🤗🤗❤❤🌺🌺 Virgin Mary is our protector she always prays to Jesus about each one of us , my Protestant friend he knows greek was confused when i told him of this prayer , he pointed out that only pure , only blessed is feminine noun , and they are many who are speaking , its not individual prayer , its a gathering of Christians , part of liturgy. Theotokos was a known term given to Mary before Council of Ephesus lol , Even Ignatius of Antioch disciple of John in his letter he said Jesus our God born of a virgin in greek "Theos" wasnt this a precursor to Theotokos , he believes Mary is Mother of God Jesus. Protestant position is so wrong...
@@Hello-ro8fq well the Catholic or Orthodox church dont worship Mary , Protestants insist with stubborness that they worship Mary thats not true , we dont do anything more than this prayer of the early Christians did , There were no early sect of worshipping Mary and they call her Mother of God "Theotokos" not God , if they worship Mary they should call her God "Theos" right? ...
@@Hello-ro8fq you really should not write on these forums until you know what you are writing about. The fact that you were a Muslim shows how easily you were misled while in Islam. This will explain it to you, and then you can apologize www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z2bbtv4/revision/4
There are Protestants who presume this or that about Marian devotion while being completely ignorant of Church history and having no primary scholarly proof for their claims which are pure conjectures. Muslims are the same by alleging post-Apostolic Christians corrupted the true gospels and got rid of the original ones to conceal the fact that Jesus never died and had risen from the dead. Nor was he the Godman. Anyway, Marian theology and devotion has its roots in Jesus and ancient Judaism, not in the pagan mystery religions in Rome. This is a faulty correlation. Atheists are no different by comparing Jesus with the pagan deities and demigods like Horus and Mithra.
@@Hello-ro8fq show me where is my ignorance brother , where is the Marian sect in the early 2nd or 3rd century as the Papyrus dates? Who are they and who wrote against them from the early 2nd or 3rd century?
I gotta say this is the most convincing argument I gave heard for Mary as the mother of God. I have been praying for a long time now and constantly have been having a subtle answer in my heart that i need to go to the Catholic church. I have been protestant then agnostic then back to protestant all in my adult life. The thing that scares me is how resistant I have felt myself to this idea of joining the Catholic faith and this almost fear of talking about with those I am so close to in my life. I feel your videos and many others have helped me in my journey with theology and I am very optimistic about growing in and furthering my relationship with God and in finding a church to belong to fully in my heart. Thank you, God bless you
I am a cradle Catholic and never really got to know how wonderful our faith is until I got older. I regret it a lot. I wish I would have started studying a lot earlier. The fullness of the faith resides in Jesus's Church. For over 2000 his church has been attacked from inside and outside and is still stands. Jesus said that the gates of hell will not prevail against it and so I continues.
@@lcringo3498 it's not about confusion 100% but that as a protestant we accept certain things differently than Catholics. To be frank I have come to an understanding that they are wrong, I believe the catholics have this right and although I trust my protestant friends and ministers to be Christ following Christians I still think they are wrong. It took me many months to reach this point and my emotional brain has resisted it quote a lot. Honestly I am still somewhat afraid to talk to my protestant mom about converting even though I know she will just disagree with my decision
Go there but be aware: you will have to accept that the pope is God's locum tenens (place holder) on Earth, meaning that he substitutes Christ and to obey him. Also accept that he entitles himself as The Holy Father a title reserved only for our heavenly Father so accept that the pope is the god on this world. Now, I guess you know who is the god of this world, no? Satan is. So go and obey Satan, kiss his ring and be happy. Moreover: imaculata conceptione which means that Mary the Virgin was conceived without sin. When one can say that she indeed was cleansed by the Holy Spirit and that she had the original sin. And no, she is not the source of God, Jesus Christ because it is written: before Abraham was, I Am (as it was revealed to Moses). I am an Easter orthodox Christian but please don't go to any of the existing churches before you clarify your heart. You are confused because you are deceived. God bless you!
In all honesty you just have to look at the traditional role of a queen in a kingdom and ascribe to her similar attributes and duties and to look at her role in that context but on much less surface level analysis. After all, the structure of the “heavenly society,” and domain of God are described as the ‘Kingdom,’ of Heaven and the kingdom of God. Not asserting that you don’t know any of this, just inserting my two cents ^_^
@@CanadianBluesdeception. There is no queen of heaven. If she was Jesus mother how is she going to be the mother of God and spouse of the Holy Ghost. Foolishness
I find it amazing that most of the apologists on Catholic Answers are CONVERTS to the faith!!! These people were once non-Catholic and once they delved into the truths of the Catholic faith and considered them truly, they fell in love with it and felt called to be apologists!!
They weren’t Biblically grounded. Notice Tim Staples said he was a charismatic [Assemblies of God], who followed wolf and false teacher, Jimmy Swaggart.
But Staples had no Biblical grounding. He was bound to go where the wind blows in the direction of a church that looked like it had +structure+ and depth. The EXACT opposite of the failed, unBiblical AoG babblers.
Protestant faith is a relationship with Debate not God. I was one of them left catholic ( became prideful as Protestant, luckily finding the debate of Scott Hann and Fr G( faith alone/ Eucharist) left Protestant and went back to the true Church of Jesus Christ Catholic- I felt the spirit of God cause it shivers me when I heard from Father G- He himself said it - “This is my body, given up for you”- Eucharist. Mary I started reading Mary is Eve, Rachel, Arc covenant, Woman in genesis-foot of cross given to John- revelation- ( plus ruth, and when she goes to elizabeth/ 3months- similar to arc and david). Amazing. All glory to God.
This is why the orthodox term "theotokos" meaning "God-bearer" is a better term. Its more ancient, and does not have needlessly confusing ideas baked into it. Mother of God, even if it can be explained away, does have implications of origin baked into it. Not the case with theotokos.
I am blessed that Jesus Christ showed me the errors of my misconceptions about Catholicism. I spent several weeks discerning my desire to be Catholic and after reading the early church fathers, I correctly discerned my desire was from God. I was attacked with such hate from Protestants during my RCIA classes. I pray every day for Protestants to come to the knowledge of God's truth
I guess I’m atypical. As an evangelical convert to the Catholic Church, Pope John Paul the Great was the earliest draw for me, closely followed by Mary. I still have the Knights of Columbus course by mail books that introduced me to the Marian doctrines.
Mary received God’s grace. Grace is “unmerited favor”; that is, grace is a blessing we receive despite the fact that we do not deserve it. Mary needed grace from God and a Savior, just as the rest of us do. Mary herself understood this fact, as she declared in Luke 1:47, “My spirit rejoices in God my Savior.”
The problem with protestants is they believe in Sola Scriptura alone but remember the Rapture is not named in the Bible only referenced but you deny what is actually written in the Bible about Mary. There are many miracles and mysteries that happened later on revealed only to a select few people like the saints which is not written. You want the King James Version? Luke 1:28 "Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women." This is in the Hail Mary prayer. Angel Gabriel said this. Luke 1:41 "...Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost" God the Holy Spirit filled Elizabeth and made her say: Luke 1:42 "...Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb." Again this is in the Hail Mary prayer, God the Holy Spirit allowed Elizabeth to say this, who are you to deny us to say this? When even God the Holy Spirit made it clear. Luke 1:43 "And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" Elizabeth recognized Jesus as her Lord but she also gave the utmost respect and honor to Mary referring to her, this is called veneration not worship. Luke 1:48 "...from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed." All generations means up to now, the generations did not stop when the books of the Bible are finished and compiled, this is Bible prophecy fulfilled. This generation still calls Mary blessed through the Hail Mary prayer. The 1st miracle in the wedding at Cana, action speaks louder than words. The Lord fulfilled the request of Mary even when it was still not His time, the Bible has many parallels, this is one of them and the Lord did not acquiesce as Protestants claim because there are many instances where the Lord did not act upon. There are many parallels of the "woman" Mary as shown here: ruclips.net/video/kUdYeYy3NQA/видео.html It is only 11 minutes make sure to finish the video. She is the Theotokos, only 1 woman bore the Word made flesh, not any woman can do that role, not your mother not my mother, out of millions and billions in all human history only she is worthy to bear our Lord Jesus Christ. She has no original sin cause it would be impossible for the Lord to be in her womb. The Lord hates sin but loves the sinners. She is the mother of the Word made flesh, after crucifixion when the Lord spoke to them it is not only Jewish tradition but She is our mother! Which makes her the mother of all, she intercedes for us, she points us to her Son, asks us to repent and to change our ways. The parallels of Lucifer and Mary and why you can call on her name during exorcisms: Mary is the humblest while the Devil is the proudest. Mary is the purest while the Devil is the filthiest. Mary is the most obedient while the Devil is the most rebellious. Mary always defeats the Devil because she has no taint of sin (original sin): aleteia.org/2017/07/02/devil-admits-to-exorcist-im-afraid-of-the-madonna/ If you are ever present in an exorcism say her name so the possessed can hear it and watch the reaction. When Mother Mary reveals herself in Garabandal, Lourdes, Fatima, etc. It is always to ask people to repent, change their lives and turn to her Son our Lord Jesus Christ. She is always crying for us, she is still interceding for us! Even in the book "Heaven is for real" the Protestant kid saw Mary kneeling in front of the throne of God. The Warning, the Miracle, Tribulation, 3 days of darkness (after Tribulation) and the Rapture (after the 3 days of darkness), all of which are true and will happen. Especially the Warning when a visible cross can be seen in the sky, it is so close now. You would know later on how Mother Mary loves us so much! Jesus through Mary, God bless.
@@ericdelanoy9570 Wait for the Warning, when you see a cross in the sky then we will see the state of our soul in God's eyes. Everyone 7 years old above will experience it. Many will die because of shock caused by sin. It is the first of many events before the Rapture.
@@jovanzpalisbo662 None is denying that she is blessed. With God all things are possible. So it wasn't imposible for jesus to be born to mary who was ot perfect. If mary was sinless why wasn't she the sacrifece?? The bible saiys only jesus alone is sinless. Where is her being sinless coming from?? give me bible verse. Why did she call jesus her lord, God and savoir?? If she was sinless why would she need a savoir. Was mary's mother also "perfect"? if it God needed a "perfect vessel for mery to be born" The first part of the prayer is a direct quote from the bible verses. What about the the reat of the mary prayer?? Why would she prayer for sinners if she is not the saviour?? What about When the Feast of Tabernacles was approaching, Jesus’ brothers tried to encourage him to go to Judea and act publicly so he could show himself to the world, but Jesus said, “My time is not yet here.” He eventually did go to the feast in a not-so-public way, and while he taught in the temple, the leaders desired to seize him, but, “No man laid his hand on him, because his hour had not yet come.” reply point by point to what I have said
I love You soooooooo much Mother of my LORD. I love YOU infinitely my LORD. And thank YOU soooo much my LORD for loving us infinitely and unconditionally and thank YOU sooo much my LORD for YOUR amazing Mother❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
There's a lot of Marian dogma in the catholic church dating back to ancient times. But sadly no catholic talks about the Marian miracles that point to Her being our mother and the mother of God. There's Guadalupe, Lourdes, Fatima, Garabandal, Akita and so many miraculous places and sites. Besides there's that famous old saying: to Jesus thru Mary. That's who got me to love Jesus. She was my mother and friend long before I knew Jesus. And boy is she powerful in her faithfulness and protection!! The best Mother a person can have. Ave Maria!!
Here's a question, Billy...if Mary is all YOU claim she is,what need of Jesus at all? He seems superflous; since you obviously worship Mary...? I await your reply...🤨🤨🤨
Although Mary is the Mother of God, she is not his mother in the sense that she is older or wiser than God or the source of her Son’s divinity, for she is neither. Once you understand this, honouring, loving and respecting The Blessed Virgin Mary is easy.
Jeepers I had that worked out in my 20s. I remember a colleague asking me why Catholics say Mary is the mother of God. It's the nature of Jesus God Incarnate
I actually had/have this quadrinity problem, intellectually, but I made a decision to submit to the wisdom of the Council of Ephesus of 431 AD & the Syriac traditions of the Levant itself that go all the way back to the 200s AD, until I actually can sort it out mentally I will allow the Church Fathers to ordinate my heart in the direction of the LORD on this, for the time being. So I do use the title Theotokos when talking of or to the Blessed Virgin.
Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant, Woman of Revelation, The NT Gebirah/Queen Mother and the Daughter of Zion that is why we pray for her intercession and protection because she leads you to the real Jesus of the Trinity whom we only worship alone, not to the fake zi0nist protestant Jesus. 2ND Intercessory prayers are instructed by St. Paul in1 TIMOTHY 2:1. What does EPHESIANS 6:18 says? MAKING SUPPLICATION FOR ALL THE SAINTS ! Mary is not just a saint, she is the Ark of the New Covenant, The NT Gebirah, Daughter of Zion and the woman of revelation that is why we pray for her protection and intercession. SUPPLICATION (DEFINITION) - The action of asking or begging for something earnestly or humbly. EPHESIANS 6:18 Praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints, LUKE 1:28 HAIL FULL OF GRACE ROMANS 16:6 Salute Mary, who hath laboured much among you. PHILIPPIANS 4:21 Salute ye every saint in Christ Jesus. Saints and angels in heaven interceding for us in REVELATION 4, 5, 6, 8. "Mediator" is Christ alone in one sense. As intercessors all members are " mediators". according to Catholicism and Scripture: 1- The Church is the body of Christ 2- There is only one body of Christ, not one on earth and another one in heaven. 3- Death does not separate the members of the body. 4- Christians are bound by the Law of Christ to love and pray for one another.
Ok and this was decided at the Council of Ephesus. I don’t think most Protestants will contest this. But as you have explained using your analogy, we as parents are not the source of our children’s souls and Mary, by corollary is not the source of Jesus’ Divinity, where does she get all the special roles ascribed to her by the Catholic Church (Queen of Heaven, Co Redemptix etc)
Co-Redemptrix is a title that specifically means that Our Lady participated in the redemption of all peoples through the act of saying yes to God. That is why she was given the title and it is a lesser title than Redeemer, which is specifically Jesus.
Queen of Heaven, well you know that Jesus is from the house of David so he has right to be the king of Israel and if you look at First Kings 2:19 (When Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, the king stood up to meet her, bowed down to her and sat down on his throne. He had a throne brought for the king’s mother, and she sat down at his right hand.) You see that mother sat at the right hand of her son.
Est-ce si difficile de comprendre que la Theotokos est au commencement de notre salut ? Et qu’elle est toujours à la droite du Christ comme devant les portes royales ! Preuve de votre peu de foi, ce manque de raison raisonnable !
Jesus’ Mother and Brothers 46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” 48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Jesus was not denigrating his mother, he was praising her, because Mary was the perfect example of hearing the word of God and keeping it. Jesus even gives His mother an even greater honor in this passage. He is saying My mother doesn’t get a pass because of Me. She isn’t just riding my coat tails into heaven. She is My mother because she freely chose to do the will of the Father. MATTHEW 12 is clear, Jesus will call you brothers and sister in faith if you obey and submit to God's commandments, not biological brothers. She (Mary) did this when she said… Be it done to me according to your word. She did it again when she said… Do whatever He tells you. Jesus would never dishonor His own mother. His mother did the will of the Father in heaven, so was a member of his family. He was teaching the higher meaning of family. “And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it done to me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.” (Lk 1:38) “And after the days of her purification, according to the law of Moses, were accomplished, they carried him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord:” (Lk 2:22). “Do whatever He tells you” (Jn 2:5)
😂 sometimes I imagine what Mother Mary would do/think as she witnesses these types of conversation or debates unfold between Catholics and Christians from Heaven above.. 😊
I saw one video where they were explaining how the perpetual virginity works before, after and weirdly enough, during the birth of Jesus. These two priests just sitting around talking about Mary's hymen and how Jesus miraculously doesn't pass through her vagina. I think even all the Catholics watching it were creeped out by these dudes discussing her private parts.
I think there's a colloquial meaning of "mother of..." meaning source of, and a more technical meaning "mother of..." meaning maternal source of the human body. I appreciate that Tim clarified the concept that a literal mother is not the cause of the whole person. So I guess.. imo if someone says Mary is "mother of God" in the first sense, they would be incorrect. But if someone meant it in the second sense, it would be theologically accurate. I guess perhaps there can be a further public clarification of the term, as it might be the case people are assuming the colloquial meaning (which is a natural starting point)
@@carlosvega4704 This is Christianity boy thats the theology it runs on. Your a guy from 2020 talking like you were there a 1000 years ago. Catholic Bible - ripped to KJV. So much talk for a non apostolic group. Its wise of you to learn theology both ways and then comment.
@@wesleysimelane3423 why do you trust your Protestant pastor? The Bible was put together by the Catholic Church and the Catholic church had the authority to interpret scripture. Individual authority to interpret scripture was never right and is why there is so many different Protestant denominations today each claiming they have the truth from scripture yet each proclaiming different truths
@@zacharyvandress1120 "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;" 2 Timothy 3:16, "for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God." 2 Peter 1:21, "But you shall speak My words to them whether they listen or not, for they are rebellious." Ezekiel 2:7
I'm glad I found this video because now I know how to express why I as a Catholic pray to Mary the mother of God when some of my protestens family members tell me that what I'm doing is wrong.
I'm not sure if you'll find this helpful but I felt I should respond. I'm a protestant and calling Mary the "mother of God" does not mean we should therefore pray to her. I'm not entirely sure what the argument of this video is, but giving her the title "mother of God," does not mean she intercedes for us in heaven, nor that she is to be treated as our mother. She is blessed among women, and she is the mother of my Lord, but only Christ can save us. Only His work on the cross is sufficient. Pray to the Father, by the Spirit, in the name of Christ. I encourage you to read John 14 and John 16. May God bless you. We are saved by grace alone through faith in Christ alone!
@Daniel Bonness This was an argument against the protestants (and everybody else) who think that calling her Mother of God is wrong. But the rules of language perfectly allow it
@@DBdrumz18 If that's the case, then you should not call Mary the mother of God, because you only think that she is the mother of Jesus. I believe that Mary is the adopted mother of God. Adopted by God as the mother of God when God conceived Jesus in her whom. I don't pray to Mary, I pray to our God who wants a family of people that will love Him and obey Him. And we are not saved by faith in Christ alone. Read James 2 : 24 "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.” KJV.
I’m Protestant for now, considering Eastern Orthodoxy, and have to say, just wow. I now accept Theotokos, perpetual virginity of Mary, but I’m having a hard time accepting the prayers and content of some of those prayers to Mary as one whom we put our hope in, look to for salvation, or having power to deliver us. Can someone help explain how some prayers to the Theotokos isn’t borderline blasphemy?
I’ll take a shot at defending those prayers. I admit they use strong language that can easily seem quite contrary to worshiping only God, but I believe they do not contradict any doctrine but rather enhance our love for God and His Divine Providence. Since you didn’t specify what specific prayers, I’m going to assume you’re referencing the Hail Mary and the Salve Regina. The first half of the Hail Mary is pure citation of Scripture. The second half asks for Mary’s intercession for us to God. Two reasons intercession must be possible: The Church is One Body, and the gates of hell will never prevail against the Church. Both of those statements are clear in scripture. Most Christians agree we can pray for each other here on earth. Well the gates of hell bring about death. Death cannot prevail against the Church. So if we are all one Body in the Church, I cannot reason that death would break the connection between our prayers and the prayers of the dead who are so close to God they are currently abiding in the Beatific Vision. The Salve Regina is probably the bigger issue. Mary being called the Queen comes from the Jewish background of Jesus’ time. He established a Kingdom, and of course He’s the King. Well Jewish Kingdoms also had a queen, the mother of the king. So Mary has to be the Queen of this Kingdom. She is “our life, our sweetness, and our hope,” because in God’s Divine Providence, He chose her to bring about He who gives us life, sweetness, and hope. God chose Mary to bring Jesus into this world, and Jesus is our salvation. So it follows that we can call Mary our salvation, because in God’s plan, her “fiat” or yes to Jesus brought about our salvation. Whenever we focus on Mary, it’s always to bring us to Jesus. Notice the end of the Salve Regina asks for Mary to reveal Jesus to us. That’s where the emphasis lies. Mary in and of herself is not our life, nor our sweetness, nor our hope. But when we see her, we see those things because she is the Mother of God the Son, Jesus, He who alone gives us those things. I’d recommend Brant Pitre’s “Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary.” I pray that Mary wraps you and all of us under her mantle so that we may be as close as possible in this life to Jesus, the One God who is Love Himself and brings us to the Father through the Holy Spirit.
Yes Catholics believe that as well, but we acknowledge Mary’s prominent role in Salvation History. And it’s important to remember that the reverence for Mary is in the Catholic and Orthodox and Anglican and Lutheran churches. Also, the Church Fathers who sat at the feet of the Apostles understood Mary as the New Eve, the Ark of the
"And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints." Revelation 5:8 "And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne." Revelation 8:3, " And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand." Revelation 8:4, John's Book of the Apocalypse
Seems so silly to me. Mary is the mother of the living Christ, who had two natures, including God, carrying Jesus. Come on! LOL Protestants just don't make sense sometimes. 😍 It was her honour. It's not like she's carrying all of God in all ways. What else did Mary do here: not give birth? How silly.
I don't know what protestants you are hanging out with 😅 most Christians I know, and myself, are protestant, and we definitely believe Mary gave birth to Jesus!
Seems silly because it is silly. She was a human being, created, mortal and with free will. God asked her if she wants to give birth to Jesus - who is the Creator of all things that exists, eternal, immortal - and she agreed. She could have said no thanks since she had free will. But she said yes and became the mother of God, not a Godess.
When I first began my Catholic journey, my sponsor (who wasn’t yet my sponsor at that time) was feeding me apologetic materials from Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Larry Richards and our esteemed Mr. Staples. He even attended a Protestant-vs.-Catholic debate featuring Mr. Staples, and ended up pinch-hitting after it was determined that Mr. Staples wouldn’t make it.
I am really surprised how easily non Catholics try to discredit Catholicism as paganism, idolatry, man made etc; I was educated in very Catholic School (although not being a believer myself since childhood) and never ever I was being taught nothing against any other religion and much less Orthodoxy, Protestantim or Judaism; only historic context; and the Mass (boring for me then) have lectures of OT and NT, but never a word about to discredit others Christians or Jews
That happens because you were or stil are in the true church. It's people don't need to look to other religions because they are busy just with their religion. This other people from other religions who is insulting and judging like they are God, is because they are unsure about their religion and perhaps also jealous about Catholics and Catholic religion. That's what it looks like
Hail Mary” and portions of the “Hail, Holy Queen” are blatantly unbiblical. While the first part of the Hail Mary is almost a direct quotation from Luke 1:28, there is no scriptural basis for (1) praying to Mary, (2) addressing her as “holy,” or (3) calling her “our life” and “our hope.” Praying the rosary involves giving attributes to Mary that the Bible never gives her. To call Mary “holy”-the Catholic Church teaches that Mary never sinned or had any taint of original sin-is not biblical. The Bible calls all believers “saints,” which can be interpreted as “holy ones,” but Scripture says that the righteousness believers have is the imputed righteousness from Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21).
@@roselaqueen3105 you couldn't be further from the truth, the Hail Mary prayer comes directly from the Gospels... Also, we only ask her to pray for us... This age old Christian divide hurts my heart... Surely we all love Christ, let's unite in what we agree and accept our differences, how about we just pray for each other as Jesus asked
@@roselaqueen3105 You are doing the work of God keep going. Im thinking a reason why catholic vs protestant videos are 90% catholic is because catholics have many doubts. The holy spirit is trying to call them from their Idolatry and false worship.
I’m trying to understand Catholicism as I am growing closer to considering RCIA. I am a Protestant as of now. I can accept almost everything except for the teaching on Mary being sinless. In Luke 1 she prays “my spirit rejoices in God my savior” Why does a sinless person need a savior? Also, Roman’s is clear in teaching that all have fallen short of the glory of God. I can understand her being blessed among women, being the Mother of God, and being a person to hold in deep reverence. Yet, nothing in scripture outlines that she never sinned to me. I’d appreciate understanding this better. The Bible is full of amazing holy saints. People who dedicated their lives to God. People I look up to and would expect any Christian to do the same. But none of them no matter how holy or unique ever merit the title sinless to me.
For the sake of the person she was to give birth to, she was saved before her birth. She couldn't have carried God in her womb and still live under the yoke of sin. God can't dwell in firth. She is the woman referred to as the new eve in Genesis. I will put enmity between you(satan) and the woman(Mary), between your offspring (sin which is known as the fruit of the devil) and her's ( Jesus referred to as the fruit of the womb of Mary by St Elizabeth when Mary visited her). I hope this helps.
Think of the timeline: when Mary said that God was her savior, Jesus had not yet died on the cross. So Mary had a Savior before anyone else was redeemed by Christ. She was saved by her Savior before the crucifixion. When did this happen? I think it happened at the moment of her conception as God prepared her to be the human mother of the second person of the Trinity, so that she would never experience the stain of Original Sin. Imagine that you're looking at your cell phone and don't realize you're about to step into an open manhole. I grab your elbow and save you from falling. If I don't, then you'll fall and I'll have to save you by pulling you out of the hole. You see? You can be saved before you fall or after. Since Mary spoke of her Savior before Christ's crucifixion, we know that she was saved before! (Please also see my reply above regarding the cells of Jesus remaining in His mother.)
The Early Church Fathers had no problem referring to Mary as the Mother of GOD. Theodore of Mopsuestia... "When therefore, they ask, 'Is Mary mother of man or mother of GOD?" we answer, 'both' The one by the very nature of what was done and the other by relation".....Cyril of Alexandria...I have been amazed that some are utterly in doubt as to whether or not the holy Virgin is able to be called the mother of GOD. For if our LORD JESUS CHRIST is GOD, how should the holy Virgin who bore him not be the mother of GOD?....Gregory of Nazianz...If anyone does not agree that holy Mary is Mother of GOD, he is at odds with the GODHEAD.
She is not the source of God even if she - by God's will - gave birth to Him. She is the beholder of God not the creator of God. To say the Mary is God (goddess I guess) is heresy also the imaculata conceptione but I digress. She was a special vessel chosen by God, she had the original sin, but the Holy Spirit made her clean to be able to receive Him in her womb. She was, is and ever be Virgin but not God. As Jesus always existed, long before Mary ever existed and Jesus said: before Abraham was, I Am. În conclusion: she is the mother of Jesus our Lord and God but not His source since she is a creature and He is the Creator. I hope I was clear enough. God bless you!
@@patriciasiadonai4670 Hi Patricia, thanks for the reply. I'll think it all through again. By the way I did not say that Mary is GOD ( goddess), she is a creature, GOD's greatest creation. We honour her and ask her to pray for us. GOD bless!
@@zacharyvandress1120 Jesus existed before mary, so mary isn't the mother of God. Jesus as a man came after mary so she is the mother of Jesus but not God.
@@justaguy7131 you are correct Jesus existed before mary but when he came to Earth and was born the two Natures were together not separate.. In other words he was fully God and fully man the church knowing this and with authority called Mary the Mother of God meaning the mother of God made man on Earth not what you're implying
As a Protestant myself, I have no problem accepting that the Blessed Virgin Mary is the mother of God. My problem is in the way Roman Catholics almost seem to worship the saints and pray to them.
Veneration of the Saints Joshua 5:14 Joshua fell prostrate in worship before the angel. Daniel 8:17 Daniel fell prostrate in terror before Gabriel. Tobit 12:16 Tobiah and Tobit fall to the ground before Raphael. Matthew 18:10 The angels in Heaven are always before the face of God. We venerate angels because of their great dignity, which comes from their union with God. Saints are also in united with God. Veneration nor honor is worship. Catholics worship [God|Jesus] alone. Hebrews 13:7 Remember your leaders, who preached the word of God to you, and as you reflect on the outcome of their lives, take their faith as your model.1 Thessalonians 1:5-8 You become an example to all believers. This is what Saints are for Catholics and all mankind: Examples of holiness to live by 1 John 3:2 We shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. The Bible reveals that the saints who have died aren’t disconnected from and uninterested in those who are alive on earth Old Testament Example: Jeremiah 15:1-Long after their deaths, Moses and Samuel are depicted pleading for the Israelite people on earth New Testament Examples Revelation 8:3 - The prayers of the saints rise up before God, and then God acts on earth. John 15 - “I am the vine, and you are the branches.” St. Paul - We are the “body of Christ.” It doesn’t make sense that death would rupture this bond. Hebrews 12:1 - The saints are a “cloud of witnesses” Intercession for Others Isn’t Optional for Christians Love of God and love of neighbor go hand in hand. The saints are our neighbors and our brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ. When we grow in fellowship with our fellow Christians, we grow in fellowship with Christ. This is the vision of the Church that the New Testament gives to us. 2 Corinthians 1:11-St. Paul commands the Christians in Corinth to pray for him. 1 Timothy 2:1-Timothy commands the Christians to pray for each other.
Jesus means GOD SAVES or GOD THE SAVIOR in Hebrew, that is why Mary is the mother of GOD THE SAVIOR. He is also called "IMMANUEL" in the Book of Isaiah 7:14 meaning GOD WITH US in Hebrew, this is why Mary is the true mother of God ! God chose to have a mother in the bubble of space and time, God humbled himself to the world, men and angels. PHIL 2:6-8 ; HEB 2:9 PHILIPPIANS 2:6-8 6 Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men, and in habit found as a man. 8 He humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, even to the death of the cross. HEBREWS 2:9 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour: that, through the grace of God, he might taste death for all. Jesus is God ! The Trinity is inseparable. God chose to have a mother read LUKE 1 ! Are you making Elizabeth a liar when she said that Jesus is His Lord in LUKE 1:43 when she met Mary was about to approach her ? LUKE 1:43 [ And whence is this to me, that THE MOTHER OF MY LORD should come to me? ] The Lord Jesus Christ has a mother and He is God, so the Lord God Jesus Christ has a mother. When the Lord Jesus Christ was born by Mary, He is no longer simply Jesus as God, but rather, He became Jesus as God who became Man (JOHN 1:14) or Jesus as God who was manifested in the flesh (1 TIMOTHY 3:16). Jesus as God who became Man or Jesus as God who was manifested in the flesh has to have a mother, for otherwise, how will Jesus as God become Man or manifest in the flesh if He has no mother? And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: and she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among WOMEN, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the MOTHER OF MY LORD should come to me? (LUKE 1:41-43) Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. (1 CORINTHIANS 12:3-5) Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. (DEUTERONOMY 6:4-5) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. (1 CORINTHIANS 8:6 ) And Thomas answered and said unto him, MY LORD AND MY GOD. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. (JOHN 20:28-29) (DEUTERONOMY 10:17) For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward LUKE 1:43 REFERS TO THE JESUS WHO IS THE LORD, MEANING THE GREATEST AND THE HIGHEST OF ALL LORDS. THE SUPREME AUTHORITY OVER ALL: REVELATION 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. 1 TIMOTHY 6:14-15 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords REVELATION 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. PHILIPPIANS 2:10-11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
It preserves the history of the faith, I guess. Catholics pray to them, do not worship them. It is like an inspiration. But there is a lot of danger in it, or blindly believing in apparitions. New Age people fall into the demonic by talking to their dead „relatives“, which can only be disembodied spirits. What is special about Mary for sure, is that she was unconditionally aligned with the will of God. Never rebelled, unlike even the greatest prophets.
@@7ruijorgeLuke 2:35 "And Thy own Soul a sword shall pierce, that, out of many hearts, thoughts may be revealed." Notice how the piercing of Mary’s Soul reveals the “thoughts of the many hearts.” THE WAY A PERSON SPEAKS OF THE BLESSED VIRGIN REVEALS THEIR HEART. Show me someone who has a very gentle and respectful appreciation for Mary’s suffering, I’ll show you a very holy person. Show me someone who denigrates Mary and says, “Yeah, but she ain’t special or anything,” and I’ll show you a BITTER and LOST person. "That thoughts out of many hearts may be revealed.” ⚜️AVE MARIA
@@7ruijorgeThe Catholic Church was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly-guided, as He promised, by the Holy Spirit until the end of the world (see John 14:25, 16:13). The mere fact that the Church teaches that something definitely true is a guarantee that it is true (see Luke 10:16).
@@SonicSnakeRecords Incorrect. What Christ and His apostles taught is the truth. The Roman Catholic church deviates from the Scriptures. The Church/bride of Christ is the body of true believers, its not confined to a building or organisation. For example, did Jesus die once and for all sin or must you atone for your sin in purgatory. Did Mary have sin (as the Scripture shows) or was she immaculately conceived as the catholic church teaches. These are not reconcilable..... you must choose between your tradition or the Truth of Scripture. I choose Gods Word.
@@SonicSnakeRecords You reading things into the text regarding Mary that are not in Scripture. Worshipping Mary is idolatry and just as Jesus said to the people that Moses would be the one to judge them for they claimed to follow Moses, similarly, Mary on judgement day will judge you and tell you why didnt you give all adoration to Jesus.
1. I have never heard any Protestant/Christian deny Mary is the mother of Jesus. This whole discussion is based on an argument that Protestants don't believe that, and that's not even a thing. Ofcourse we do, we just don't glorify Mary because we believe all the glory, worship and prayer is due ONLY to God. A request He Himself made to us through the Word. 2. Even if this issue was real among Protestants: Sorry, I am now even more convinced of the idolatry practiced in Catholicism with this video. Mary is blessed among women. Mary is the mother of Jesus, and that has to be respected. I agree. But praying to her is unbiblical. And when I say unbiblical, I mean anti- biblical, against what the Bible teaches. Worshiping/praying to/glorifying anyone other than God (the Trinity) is unbiblical. Doing and teaching these things is straight up going against the Word of God. Protestants disagree with Catholics for a whole lot of reasons. The worship and praying to the dead saints including Mary, is just one of them. The theology of the Gospel is wrong, when works you do here on earth dictate the status of your salvation. The images that aren't just made, but built into statues and Catholics bown down before them and often also build altars of candles around them. Yikes!The existance of the Pope, the existance of purgatory. The meaning of baptism... It's not that Protestants don't have church traditions. It's just that we strongly believe no tradition in the church can be AGAINST the Word of God. And because the Catholic church has and does MANY traditions that are not in line with the Word of God, that is the reason most Protestants stay away from Catholic churches. Out if respect to and fear of our holy God. One day we will all stand before God and will have to give an account of our actions, words and thoughts. I ask you this, will you be able to tell Him that you deliberately chose to ignore His commandments and teachings in the Word for the sake of the teachings of some man made king dressed up in white (the Pope)? Will you be able to play this video and say these arguments straight to His face? Will you be able to justify your actions of worshiping, kneeling down and praying to/before statues of other beings in creation? Will you be able to justify praying to dead humans? Are you able to say this straight to Jesus' face, God, the person who died for you in one of the most painful and horrible ways possible? I know I will have to rely on what His Word thought me. And I am sure I will be wrong on allot of things, flawed as I am. But I will rely on His mercy, His grace for my salvation and place in His Kingdom. Not my 'good deeds' and or practice of man made traditions that go against His Word. Can you Imagine standing before Jesus saying: "Well Mary carried you for nine months, birth you and raised you into this world. You are God, therefore she is the Mother of God, Mother of you. Therefore I pray to her" *finger snaps*. Good luck with that.
Im not a Catholic, but I can tell you, as a fair-minded person, you misunderstand virtually every point of catholic doctrine you speak of here. Im not being mean, Im just saying, to properly critique someone's belief, you have to properly understand it. For example, asking for the intercession of Mary is not based on her being Mother of God. It is based on the doctrine of Communion of the Saints, the belief that all believers, living and deceased, are united and alive in Christ. This is a very ancient belief, it is even in the Apostles Creed. Scripturally, its evidenced by the fact that Jesus said that those who believe in him have "eternal life", and that "though they die, they will live" and "God is God of the living, not the dead." Several other verses too. If those who pass in Christ are alive, and we are "surrounded by a cloud of witnesses" who want to see us succeed as our brothers and sisters in Christ, Catholics ask them to pray for them just as you would ask a faithful brother at church to pray for you. When considering who one should ask for prayer, Mary is top of the list. As the mother of Christ, she is was particularly close to Jesus, and her intercession is greatly desired. So if you want to defeat the idea of intercession of Mary, you need to defeat the doctrine of communion of the saints, which has a strong scriptural basis and long history in the church. That is why, as far as the span of church history is concerned, the protestant perspective is both novel and innovative as a doctrine. And to be clear, they are not "praying to" the saints, they are asking for the saint's prayers to God on their behalf. Only God answers prayers for Catholics. Again, Im not a catholic, I just want you to be fair in your critique.
Wrong, Jesus means GOD SAVES in Hebrew. Mary is the MOTHER of the LORD (LUKE 1:43), therefore Mary is the Mother of the LORD GOD. Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant, the Gebirah-Queen Mother, Woman of Revelation and the Daughter of Zion that is why we pray for her intercession and protection because she leads you to the real Jesus of the Trinity not false protestant zi0nist jesus. Our Lady of Guadalupe converted and baptized the new world because Mary is the most powerful intercessor among the saints. 2ND Intercessory prayers are instructed by St. Paul in 1 TIMOTHY 2:1. What does EPHESIANS 6:18 says? MAKING SUPPLICATION FOR ALL THE SAINTS ! Mary is not just a saint, she is the Ark of the New Covenant, The NT Gebirah, Daughter of Zion and the woman of revelation that is why we pray for her protection and intercession. SUPPLICATION (DEFINITION) - The action of asking or begging for something earnestly or humbly. EPHESIANS 6:18 Praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints, LUKE 1:28 HAIL FULL OF GRACE ROMANS 16:6 Salute Mary, who hath laboured much among you. Saints and angels in heaven interceding for us in REVELATION 4, 5, 6, 8. "Mediator" is Christ alone in one sense. As intercessors all members are " mediators". according to Catholicism and Scripture: 1- The Church is the body of Christ 2- There is only one body of Christ, not one on earth and another one in heaven. 3- Death does not separate the members of the body. 4- Christians are bound by the Law of Christ to love and pray for one another.
@@alfray1072Jesus does not mean God saves in Hebrew. The word of God said Jesus means HE shall save His people from their sins. It never said God The above comment is correct and you are wrong just like the simpletons In this channel THAT DO NOT HAVE THE HOLY GHOST IN then to discern and comprehend the word of Christ Mary can not be the MOTHER OF GOD since HE CREATED HER THIS IS so stupid. A elementary student could understand.
I think that probably the most significant divide between Protestants and Catholics, though, is just what is implied by the phrase 'Mary, mother of God' because nowhere in the Scriptures is that ever once implied. Instead, it reads 'Mary, mother of Jesus'. Now, I might also offer that in the Gospel of John (and it is only mentioned once in the entire Scriptures) it records the following text: 'So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, "I am the bread that came down from heaven." They said, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he know say, "I have come down from heaven?"' - John 6:41-42 Jesus is referred to as the 'son of Joseph' is he not? I think oftentimes that many Catholics get so enthused and caught up in the Catholic Doctrine of Mariology that they are then quick to discount that both Joseph and Mary were merely the earthly parents of Messiah. Nothing more and nothing less. Because when you begin to attribute what I considered to be IMHO unbiblical doctrines like the Immaculate Conception and the Perpetual Virginity to the mother of Jesus we risk attributing to her such lofty and one could argue 'divine' traits as were otherwise never at all to be attributed to her. Thus, I simply offer the following inquiries to those of the Catholic worldview: 1. Why is it so imperative and necessary that Mary herself would therefore be conceived in her own mother's womb without sin (the doctrine of Immaculate Conception)? Or do you not yet realize that the mother's blood runs alongside the placenta, and the nutrients needed by the baby are absorbed and transferred to the baby? All the baby's blood is contained within the baby and placenta. Therefore, the placenta protects the mother and fetus. The placenta acts as an exchange surface between the mother and the fetus. A membrane separates baby's blood and mother's blood. Nutrients and oxygen are passed over by diffusion only. If the mother's and fetus blood mixed, it could be deadly for both of them. As such, Jesus's blood would have never even mixed or come in contact with Mary's own blood. If Jesus's blood is perfect and untainted by sin then there would be no need for Mary to conceive him in an 'immaculate' state. And if Jesus also touched and healed lepers then clearly merely touching her earthly son would also not pollute his divine nature and being, either. 2. Why is it equally so imperative and necessary that Mary herself would therefore need to remain a virgin for the rest of her life? Why would God allow the marriage to remain intact while simultaneously forbidding Joseph from executing his duty as a husband to his wife and vice versa? This doctrine probably bothers me the most because it is almost as if it was considered to be wholly anathema to the Catholic Church for even the mere thought of Mary and Joseph having sex together to ever enter in the minds of Christian men and women. Yet, to sentence Joseph and Mary, husband and wife, one flesh, to a lifetime of perpetual celibacy while still living under the same roof--- to go about their daily lives as husband and wife doing everything but showing any type of affection for each other--- that seems to defy both logic and good common sense, yes. Does this mean that God no longer allowed them to hug... to kiss... to even sleep in the same bed??? Did they therefore sleep in separate beds in the same room, perhaps, not even in the same room? Did they have to undress and bathe in separate rooms, as well? Perhaps, Joseph silently divorced Mary, instead? Look, could any husband or wife reading this truly, truly live such a life as 'husband and wife' while being consequently forbidden to be "naked and unafraid" in each other's presence? What then would be the purpose of their marriage and the marriage of Joseph and Mary??? Celibacy is one thing in and of itself, yes, but to expect, nay, command that a husband and wife commit to a lifetime of refrainment from any type of physical affection towards one another, how is that even normal? How can that even be considered 'marriage'? That to me is just far, far too much legalism and worse yet--- an unhealthy aversion towards an otherwise natural, beautiful, and God-bestowed gift of sexual intimacy between man and woman, husband and wife. And that's just two of the four doctrines of Mariology that will continue to keep me from ever fully embracing the Catholic Church as a personal preference of location to attend any kind of formal religious service, yes.
Was this not already discussed and resolved back in 431AD at the Council of Ephesus? Why revisit. Through the prayers of the Theotokos, Savior save us.
Let Jesus answer the question of who His mother is. [Mat 12:49-50 NKJV] 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, "Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 "For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother."
My concern with calling Mary the mother of God is what it potentially could imply without ample explanation. In the sense that she gave birth to Jesus who is God, yes, absolutely. However, what is massively important for us to communicate is that her existence was preceded by Christ's and that as she was giving birth to Him, her existence, like everything, was being held together by her holy Son. So my concern is not in the doctrine rightly explained, but in the doctrine easily misunderstood. And this misunderstanding is easily avoided by saying that she was Jesus' earthly mother. So that is how I refer to her.
Zach Davenport yeah, I feel like that implies that she was only the mother to His human nature which also implies that Christ isn’t fully human and fully Divine
@@aileenbordelon7884 I see the concern. But I can't think of a better way to address her that makes clear that she is far after Christ in both chronology and authority. I'm definitely open to suggestions though.
If your mother deserves respect. So does the mother of Jesus/God as well. Silly to see people refute this theology. You want the scriptures and most of your theological principles from catholicism. But ignore other things. Why would people want to believe in a non apostolic line theology when these kind of things were well discussed during early church days dating back to 300-400 AD. Its just that people these days want answers that can please them even if its okay to dilute the authenticity of the religion.
This entire discussion should be ended simply by quoting St Elizabeth in St Luke’s gospel who not only proclaims Mary as “the mother of [her] Lord”, but her words come immediately after the text says that Elizabeth was speaking while filled with the Holy Spirit. Even this year, I have pointed this out to many evangelicals, and many have said, point blank, that Elizabeth was still wrong. If you can get these so-called “Bible Christians” to say that scripture is wrong, then the discussion is over. Period. Full stop.
Your point is pretty foggy. Lord (kurious) can mean master or Lord. Not God. Mother of the Messiah, OK but you're stretching it way too far to imply that Elizabeth was confessing Jesus' deity. Sure Christ was the Son of God but I don't think Elizabeth fully understood that. Scripture is not wrong just your skewed interpretation of it.
Is there any passage where Mary is called explicitly the mother of anyone apart from Jesus?, if not, it would be that her marriage with Joseph were of those biblically accepted as valid with a vow of virginity (being that in accordance with Mary's "how can it be if I don't know man"... like a decision already taken); marriage is valid if the husband is aware of and accepted it
Mary is the mother of the Son, daughter of the Father and spouse of the Holy Spirit✨🙏🏻✨ And we are blessed to have Her as our Heavenly Mother 💖 ✨Tota Tua ego sum Mariae, et omnia mea Tua sunt✨
@@regcaughey4307 He created her and chose her to be His mother. He could simply appear as a full grown man but He chose not to. In this same video is the answer to what you said. Obviously no mother creates the soul/spirit of her son or daughter. She is the mother of His body but no son goes around saying to his mother "I love you mother of my body" even though we know our mothers gave birth to our bodies. God created our souls.
What Tim Staples leaves out is that Jesus is referred to the 2nd Adam and the son of man, that is who Mary gave birth to, basically the Flesh, man is Flesh. Jesus as the Son of God always existed before time and creation, Jesus is God. Mary a person can say when she gave birth to Jesus the Son of God, just "CLOTHED" Jesus in human Flesh. Jesus as the Son of God and is God just used Mary as a portal to come into the world and "CLOTHED" in human Flesh. To call Mary the mother of God is Aposotasy and Heretical.....The RCC should just call Mary the "mother of the 2nd Adam" (Human Flesh Chlothing), or even call Mary the "mother of the son of man". Mary just Clothed God with Flesh is all it is. Jesus is also called the "Last Adam", for the Last Adam to come into the world has to be through natural child birth. Mary like all humans are from the First Adam and like the first Adam........ all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God, Even Mary would be of sin, who contrbuted the Fleshly clothing for Jesus who is God. The Apostle Paul tells us in his first letter to the church in Corinth, “The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven” (1 Corinthians 15:45-49). Paul is here pointing out the difference between two kinds of bodies, i.e., the natural and the spiritual. Genesis 2:7 speaks of the first man, Adam, becoming a living person. Adam was made from the dust of the ground and given the breath of life from God. Every human being since that time shares the same characteristics. However, the last Adam or the “second Adam”-that is, Christ-is a life-giving Spirit. Just as Adam was the first of the human race, so Christ is the first of those who will be raised from the dead to eternal life. Because Christ rose from the dead, He is “a life-giving spirit” who entered into a new form of existence. He is the source of the spiritual life that will result in believers' resurrection. Christ’s new glorified human body now suits His new, glorified, spiritual life-just as Adam’s human body was suitable to his natural life. When believers are resurrected, God will give them transformed, eternal bodies suited to eternal life. Paul tells us in verse 46 that the natural came first and after that the spiritual. People have natural life first; that is, they are born into this earth and live here. Only from there do they then obtain spiritual life. Paul is telling us that the natural man, Adam, came first on this earth and was made from the dust of the earth. While it is true that Christ has existed from eternity past, He is here called the second man or second Adam because He came from heaven to earth many years after Adam. Christ came as a human baby with a body like all other humans, but He did not originate from the dust of the earth as had Adam. He “came from heaven.” Then Paul goes on: “As was the earthly man [Adam], so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven [Christ], so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven” (1 Corinthians 15:48-49). Because all humanity is bound up with Adam, so every human being has an earthly body just like Adam’s. Earthly bodies are fitted for life on this earth, yet they are limited by death, disease, and weakness because of sin which we’ve seen was first brought into the world by Adam. However, the good news is that believers can know with certainty that their heavenly bodies will be just like Christ’s-imperishable, eternal, glorious, and filled with power. At this time, all are like Adam; one day, all believers will be like Christ (Philippians 3:21). The Apostle John wrote to the believers, “Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is” (1 John 3:2).
In ordinary language we mean ‘the Father’ when we say “God”; not the Trinity, not the Son, even as we do not deny divinity to either. This has caused many to hear the term “Mother of God” as one intending to fête her as the Mother of the Trinity. In addition, it has been wrongly thought that this title is the product of overzealousness, meant to raise Mary to a status superior to God. In fact, the title was not applied to elevate Mary, but to protect the Homoousion dogma that insists that our Lord is the same in essence, in being with God the Father. Saint Athanasius is recalled as an assiduous defender of the full divinity and full humanity of Christ in His hypostatic union. In addition to the Arian heresy, which denied that Jesus is equal with the Father, there were some fourteen more heresies disputing the Church’s insistence that in Christ one person subsists in two natures, the Divine and the human-some claiming he was all-God and others that he was totally human, and all shades in between. Athanasius employed the term Mother of God to show that Mary was not only mother of the Man but of the entire Man, God included.
Why Jesus would say John behold your mother, given that John has his mother living and around? Why Jesus could say Mary behold your son if she 'had' other children (not at all) or family? Here he gave her the title of spiritual Mother of us surpassing Eve
My step mom asked why we Catholics “worship” Mary. My step mom and I had always had a great relationship so I took her question in good faith and thought she was opened to a conversation. I tried to explain the Catholic position, going out of my way not to insult Protestants. But, before I could even finish she started cussing me out and calling me all manner of names. In 29 years it was my first argument with her and I still can’t believe it happened.
Emily Wallace , Yes it’s just like a “.trigger” being pulled when Mary’s name is mentioned. These people just cannot understand, that we as Catholics love Mary, she is our Mother, we are Family. We certainly don’t worship her, but will Always love the Mother of our Lord. God Bless you and your loved ones.
Satan really hates Mary because she humbly said yes to Christ... And will always humbly serve him.. that is why there is so much hate against her... It is really tough...I want to give you a big hug😟 it is sad that so many don't realise that they have such a loving mother😍
@@onedayatatime7022 There is no hate against Mary. There is much hate towards the lies of the RCC and what you have elevated Mary to. You catholics; if no-one bends to your lies and shows you the truth, " YOU HATE MARY"...lol
Κυριε Ιησού Χριστέ ελέησον με τον αμαρτωλόν! LORD JESUS CHRIST HAVE MERCY FOR me the sinner! Yπεραγία ΘΕΟΤΟΚΕ σώσον ημάς!!! HOLY THEOTOKOS save us siners!✝️☦️❤️🧔🇬🇷🇷🇺🇷🇸🇨🇾🇬🇪🇲🇩🇧🇬🇱🇧
@@VHOS-db1td Uh huh. Do you believe it? You have two prayers listed. In one you ask Jesus for mercy. In the other you ask mary to save you. Thats a problem no matter what religion youre in. Mary doesn't save. Have you read acts 4:12? If not, here it is; Acts 4:12 12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved." NASB And that name isn't mary.
@@ContendingEarnestly Are you Orthodox(Ορθοδοξία =ορθή πίστη)?We belive that "Mary" is not simple Mary but Theotokos Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ,(Θεοτοκος=greek meaning the one who gives birth God)
Can someone help me out? In the Litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary when we pray the Holy Rosary, there is one title to Our blessed Mother that I can't understand theologically, which is "Mother of Our Creator." I believe that Mary is the mother of God, as referring to Our Lord Jesus Christ ("Mother of Our Savior"). But, is not Creator referring to God the Father, Whom the Blessed Virgin cannot be the mother of? Thanks to whomever replies!
i would like more details also from more knowlagble people but i think its linked to how the trinity is linked and time is not ours, for example my mom could be praying to st pio for me, and pio might have offered a mass for me back 100 years ago and the grace of that pray is just now working.
We believe that God, Jesus and Holy Spirit are the same, Mary is mother of Jesus ( God ) in this earth so she is mother of the creator too. Saint Agustine said... is easier to put all the ocean inside a shell than understand the mistery of the trinity. 🤷♀️
I will have to disagree with the previous writer who said all three "are the same." That would be Modalism. However, though God the Father is Creator principally, all three persons are Creator, as they were all indispensably involved in the Creation of the world. Therefore, all Three Persons are called Creator. All creation and grace are from the Father, through the Son, by the Spirit. "Through Him all things were made" from the Nicene Creed and... John 1:3 [3]All things were made through Him, and nothing that was made was made without Him. The Holy Spirit is "the Lord, the Giver of Life" and... Genesis 1:2-3 [2]But the earth was empty and unoccupied, and darknesses were over the face of the abyss; and so the Spirit of God was brought over the waters. [3]And God said, "Let there be light." And light became.
First, as an evangelical, let me say "I Love my Catholic Brothers and Sisters!!!". Truly do. What I still haven't gotten a sufficient answer to, regarding Mary, is why would there be specific mention AND instruction regarding the Eucharist ("take and eat" "do this in remembrance of me") , as well as Baptism (Go and baptize and make disciples of all nations") and yet there is literally not one word on, nor any mention or instruction on any spiritual actions regarding Mary. There isn't one single word from Jesus, any of the 12 Disciples, Mark, Luke, Timothy, Jude, James, or Paul that mentions Mary and instructions on honoring her, praying to her, etc. None. Literally. I find it inconceivable that you would have mention and instruction by numerous Biblical sources on Communion and Baptism, yet something as important (to Catholics) as Mary is literally has not one single word about her, the importance of her, that you should have a relationship with her, or that she was even important in any way for the early church. Zero mention. Not a single word in the Bible from Jesus, any of the12 Disciples, Mark, Luke, Timothy, Jude, James or Paul about Mary and any of the practices concerning Mary that the Catholic church hold today. Just read that last sentence out loud and truly think about why that is. Every single other important practice that a Christian holds dear is mentioned by either Jesus, the 12, Mark, Luke, Timothy, Jude, James or Paul. The Eucharist, Baptism, instructions on Prayer, instructions to meet, evangelism, giving, serving the poor, etc are all found in the Bible....yet NOT ONE SINGLE WORD on instructions about Mary or even a mention of her outside of interactions Christ had with her. How does one reconcile that without just admitting that what they believe about Mary is simply accepting, and accepting blindly, the teaching regarding praying to Mary and her role in heaven or redemption?
We love you too, What precisely does Mary give to Jesus in her act of motherhood? First of all, Mary did not give Jesus his divine nature, nor did Mary give Jesus his divine personhood. Both of these divine aspects of Jesus Christ existed from all eternity. However, “when in the fullness of time, God sent his Son, born of a woman” (Gal 4:4), Mary gave to Jesus a human nature identical to her own.
Now, Mary is a creature. She is not God. Therefore, true devotion to Mary does not involve giving her adoration. Then what kind of honor and devotion should be given to Mary? Some may say, “None! Only God should be honored!” But they’re wrong. God himself commands us to honor our parents, and it’s a good thing to recognize and esteem those who demonstrate a particular excellence, such as courage or valor on the battlefield or extraordinary holiness of life. The kind of recognition or esteem that is given to creatures is called veneration, or in the classical language of theology, dulia. Of course, we shouldn’t adore our parents, heroic soldiers, or saints, but we should esteem and respect them, showing them some degree of veneration (dulia).
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@@rooforlife First I would lovingly ask my Catholic Brothers and Sisters "Have you read the Bible? Like actually read it and searched out what it says?" Have you read it cover to cover? I have read the OT 4 times through. I have read the NT 5 times through. It absolutely IS NOT in the Bible. There isn't one single line of instruction from Jesus, The 12 Disciples, Luke, Mark, James, Jude or Paul that mentions any Instruction or practice regarding Mary. No line from Paul encouraging the early church to remember the "Queen Mother" or to have a relationship with her. There is nothing, that teaches or even mentions most of the "Doctrine of Mary" that the Catholic church does today. Now contrast that with the Eucharist. You literally have multiple direct mentions in the Bible, most importantly God Himself, say here is what the Eucharist is. Go and do this in remembrance of me. With Baptism, you have God Himself get baptized and instruct his disciples to go and make disciples and baptize them. After listening to the apologetics of Mary from the Bible it is incredibly weak. All I have heard is taking random verses that clearly are not specific or instructional and then reverse engineering the doctrines one believes about Mary. For instance, to take Gen 3:15 and infer what Catholics believe about Mary because it says there will be "Enmity" between you and the woman" is a massive stretch. You don't build a doctrine on a single line of scripture as vague as that. Furthermore, I have also heard Catholics mention Christ's words to Mary at the wedding in Cana referring to Mary as "woman" meaning that is proof that Christ is saying Mary is "THE Woman". Again massive massive leap. Calling Mary the second Ark (which I believe) is also misconstrued. What was the Ark, but a place where God's presence dwelt and where the 10 commandments (the Law), Arron's staff (priesthood), and Manna (eucharist) dwelt. Jews honored the Ark because but didn't pray to it or seek a relationship with it. Also, the reference to Mary in the book of Revelation. For sure it is her, but one cannot say "this is exactly what this verse means" in regards to Mary and her role.
@@rooforlife I would Lovingly encourage you to be as neutral of a 3rd party as you can be and actually read the OT and NT cover to cover and see where any doctrine or direct teaching about Mary exists. Don't read into verses....just simply where does it say exactly who Mary is and how one should interact with her. You will find direct instruction on virtually every single Christian doctrine, but not on Mary. Also, to clarify, here is what I absolutely DO believe about Mary. I believe we evangelicals have completely ignored her. I believe we have thought too little about her. I believe she is most Blessed of women (how could she not when she bore God in her womb). I believe she is the "Mother of God" by sheer logic. I believe she could have been assumed (there is Biblical precedent for such an act with Enoch and Elijah). I don't think that she was perpetually a virgin (although not willing to die on that hill). She could have been though. What I find completely outside of not just Scripture but the Biblical framework of Judaism and Christianity entirely is the thought that anyone could be sinless or that anyone should pray to or have a relationship with anyone other than God Himself. Zero reference to that possibility anywhere in the Bible (other than the Son of God himself). Completely outside of Jewish or Biblical thought.
To understand who Mary is, let's have a look at the prefigurations : - Mary is the new arch of the new covenant - Mary is the new queen mother as her son is king - Mary is the new Eve, new woman of the new creation - Mary is the new Rachel, intercessor and mother of all the people And remember, accomplishments are always better than prefigurations Peace
@@quidam3810 How did you recognize :) I knew it was not a good idea to mention Rachel! Thanks so much to Dr Pitre! For the ones that would like to have a look before buying books.google.fr/books?id=GWBKDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA169&dq=new+rachel+mary+brant+pitre&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj_7cWS_fTqAhXO3YUKHZKlCJ8Q6AEwAHoECAUQAg#v=onepage&q=new%20rachel%20mary%20brant%20pitre&f=false Peace
@@davidaimer314 yes, Rachel gave you away ;-). I've seen her as a type of Mary only in Pitre, so far (not that i read thousands of books though ;-). ). But i find Pitre's particularly good. The second would be Scott Hahn's, for me...
@@quidam3810 Yes definitely wee need them. Thanks to protestantism that gave us talented people like Scott Hann, Marcus Grodi et Steve Ray. Here are some of the best videos that openend my eyes : The Forerunners of the Reformation - with Dr Scott Hahn ruclips.net/video/CTMX4C169bg/видео.html Church History: Complete Documentary AD 33 to Present. Question : what is the faith reality in year 500? ruclips.net/video/xFIXMM1KWyc/видео.html Peter, the Rock, the Keys, and the Chair - Steve Ray ruclips.net/video/faIB-sOBDKk/видео.html What Must I Do to Be Saved? - Marcus Grodi ruclips.net/video/k7IJGzQlo1w/видео.html Peace
@@daddada2984 Pease look at those 3 and let us know what is not biblical. ruclips.net/video/jmNWqLSJcJI/видео.html ruclips.net/video/xg8kMPCGhz8/видео.html ruclips.net/video/jmii0zRKP5A/видео.html Peace
I'm a Catholic, have carefully studied Marian teachings, have a devotion to Mary, and have had a practice of saying the rosary. But sorry, I cannot agree that such devotion to Mary or saying the rosary brings me closer to a devotion to Jesus. I understand the theory of why it should, but the results don't match the theory. Catholic apologists spend so much energy trying to justify Marian devotion as being absolutely necessary to the practice of authentic Christianity and endeavoring to show how protestants are absolutely in error. But the experience of millions of protestants over many centuries (and, I would add, ever single Christian mentioned in the NT) of deep devotion to Jesus surely shows that Marian devotion isn't necessary.
Do you think Jesus loved his mother? Do you think Jesus honored his mother? Do you believe Jesus is God? If Jesus loved and honored his mother, don't you think we should?
I have a strong Marian devotion myself and I'll have to say I've had the opposite experience as yourself. The Holy Rosary revolves around the life of our Lord, it's a meditation on His life accompanied with our Lady. But not everyone is called to this devotion, which is fine. No one should force themselves to devote themselves to something that isn't beneficial to themselves though they ought to believe the Marian dogmas if anything than for her singular unique relationship to our Lord. God love you!
@barelyillegal2866The Catholic Church was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly-guided, as he promised, by the Holy Spirit until the end of the world (see John 14:25, 16:13). The mere fact that the Church teaches that something definitely true is a guarantee that it is true (see Luke 10:16). Jesus has given us his Blessed Mother as our great Spiritual Mother (Rev.12:17), a Heavenly Advocate who intercedes for us. At the foot of the Cross. John 19:26-27 When Jesus saw His Mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, He said to Her, “Woman, here is your son,” and to the disciple, “Here is your Mother.” From that time on, this disciple took Her into his home.
@barelyillegal2866 The woman in Revelation 12 can also be interpreted as Israel or the Church but anyway you slice it Mary is a part of both and it clearly says in verse 4: "4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born." Only women give birth and we clearly see this child is Jesus in verse 5. "5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne." So we clearly know who Jesus's Mother is, Mary!
@barelyillegal2866 The Woman gives birth to a male child who is to rule the nations with a rod of iron. That’s a reference to the Messianic prophecy in Psalm 2, where we read: Ask of Me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron [Psalm 2:8-9]. Jesus fulfilled this Messianic prophecy. The fact that the male child is caught up to the throne of God is a reference to Jesus’s Ascension into heaven, so we have another confirmation that the male child is Jesus. And since the Woman who gives birth to Him is His Mother, we could infer that the Woman here is Jesus’s Mother, the Virgin Mary.
Theyre so obsessed with sola scriptura and then Jesus literally says "behold your mother" to his disciples, but the Blessed Mother isn't important, okay 😕
@@jamesskinner1902Jesus often refers to the Apóstolos as the church, when he said behold your mother, he was giving his church a Mother... Our lady of Guadeloupe when she appeared she said to that boy ... am I not your mother.. She is defenitly the mother of the church...
Maria Martins There is no mention of the Mother of the Church in the Bible. Christ is the head of the Church (Ephesians 5:23) and true believers are the body (1 Cor 12:27). The idea of Mary being elevated to the Mother of the Church is a Roman catholic tradition but this is not found in God’s Word. All Glory, honor and praise belongs to God alone (Isaiah 42:8) and therefore it is committing idolatry (2nd commandment) to be given this kind of praise honor and worship to someone else. Prayer is to God alone in Jesus name (John 14-13-14). I only pray more people would read their Bibles and would stop being hoodwinked with man-made doctrines that are turning them away from the one-true and living God. I suggest you read the Gospel according to Rome (McCarthy). I hope this book will open many Roman Catholic’s eyes as to how far the Roman Catholic Church has strayed from God’s Word.
@@jamesskinner1902 man made doctrines are the one's done by, people that just read the bible... And twist everything... They know every page and chapter, and don't even realise what God is asking of us... AND YES GOD GAVE OUR ESPIRITUAL MOTHER A VERY SPECIAL PLACE IN THE CHURCH.. About Catholic Church... If you read the key of David it revels that God Made a eternal covenant with benzentine people and that is Europe.. If its Europe is the Catholic Church... When God stabllish the first covenant he started with 12 priests and later God had 70 Disciples.. And when he stabllish the second covenant he started with 12 Apóstolos and later had 70 more Disciples.. The 12 Apóstolos where the new priests for the new Covenant.. First covenant. They enter by circuncision second by baptism. Didn't Jesus told the Apóstolos go and baptize all nations he was giving his priests the outhority to baptize. When he told his Apóstolos the sins you forgive will be forgiven the one's you retain shall be retained. He was giving his priests the outhority to forgive and retain sin... The Jewish people olso go for confession.. .. Even the Pope and the rock as its roots in Jewish. Faith... The old covenant had the supper of the Lamb, we have the Eucaristy wich is the supper of the Lamb.. When our Lord said if you don't eat the body and blood of Christ we won't enter the kingdom of heaven.. No way our Lord was joking, not only did he meant what he said he provided.. . When protestantes say as long as we believe in the Lord. We are saved for Catholic people means to enter the Covenant we must believe in our Lord... So it doesn't matter how well you read your Bible if you are going to twist everything and use it against his church ..God came to make a covenant with his blood for man to take away their sins.. Only is blood can do that.. Instead of doing what he asks, we are making it about a book.. Telling people we are already saved.. No we are not, we have to live according to what he stabllish.. God did fix everything till mankind obey, the world will never be fixed..
@@jamesskinner1902 It's bizarre to see how some Protestants diss the very same Catholic Church that gave them the Bible. "To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant." ~ Cardinal John Newman (former Protestant turned Catholic)
A lot of "mental gymnastics" here with little to no scripture. Jesus said "before Abraham ever was I Am" (John 8:58). It is clear the "I Am" predated Mary and not the other way around. It is accurate to say she is "the mother of the son of God" or a mother "for" God but not "of" Him, again since He predates her and created her, not the other way around. Also important to note, Jesus marginalized Mary's role as in Matthew 12:48-50 he basically says ANYONE can be his mother (what an honor!) or sister or brother. Only one Father, but many mothers (brothers and sisters)! Simply put (thanks to the indwelling of the Holy Spirit) Jesus has a multitude of "bearers or carriers" (mothers) but only one Father. You could be one too if you allow the will of the Father to live in you and flow through you. Hallelujah!
You can’t give birth to a half of a nature. She gave birth to God and the Bible calls her His mother. You should probably read Luke all the way through again and then read all of the scripture on the arc of the covenant. Just sayin. 😉 the whole Bible is used in context in the Catholic Church. It’s why I had to leave the protest. Then He gave His mother to us (one of the “mothers” you’re talking about), at the cross. He gave her to the beloved disciple. All of us. Jesus is the king there’s too many brides to have a queen just like in the OT, it means His mom is queen, just like in the OT. I pray Holy Spirit gives you eyes to see and ears to hear.
I can't grasp why we can't follow the steps of Elizabeth, when called Mary 'the mother of my Lord' (a name given to God by Jews, therefore, it is as to call her now 'the Mother of God') when Jesus was yet in her womb; I am not sure who are not being 'biblical' here
The title “Mother of God” is a statement about Jesus, not about Mary. In the original Greek, the term is “Theotokos,” which literally translated means “God-bearer.” The important point is that Jesus is God, and was God incarnate in Mary’s womb. This was a necessary clarification of doctrine in order to combat the Nestorian heresy, which denied the Incarnation. The title Mother of God affirms our belief in the Incarnation, and that Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity, with two Natures, human and Divine. He is not two Persons (Jesus and God). This was defined by a Church Council, so it is not negotiable. I hope this helps to clarify why “Mother of my Lord” would not be adequate to combat the heresy.
@@MarilynBoussaid-yd1vkDo you all not notice THE WORD OF CHRIST Never call her Mother Of God??? She is not the mother of God. God doesn’t have a mother and SHE DID NOT CREATE GOD YOU ALL can’t understand this and it is ridiculous to continue to pray for a womb to be fruitful when it is nonexistent. It is no more. This is why TRUE BELIEVERS DO NOT PRAY something was that was JUST USED ONCE AS A SALUTATION. A greeting! That is what Hail Mary meant a Greeting while now you all are making it to mean MORE than what it is Full of Grace does not mean SINLESS In fact where Grace abound so much more the sin.
@@romulopereira9619 Go read Vatican 2 and catechism of the catholic church......salvation according to catholci doctrine is not what the Bible teaches.... for example...did Jesus die once and for all sin? or must you atone for your sins still in purgatory? agreeing with purgatory then makes the blood of Christ insufficient.....the Bible though says Jesus died ONCE and FOR ALL sin, His blood is the perfect sacrifice for ALL sin
Mary is the Mother of God indeed, but Paul never mentions her once in all his writings. Compare Paul’s writings to your tradition and see if something’s up.
J.M. G. The Bible definitely teaches the Trinity. It does not definitely teach praying or appealing to or invoking Mary. There’s no promise by any Apostle or early church father. Why? Ya gotta ask why.
@@zarnoffa Also, the early church fathers do mention Mary and praying to her and asking for her intercession for us towards her Son, Jesus. For example, St. Gregory the Wonderworker (213 - 270 AD), St. Epiphanius, St. Ephem of Edessa, St. Augustine, St. Justin the Martyr....these are just some of the early church fathers.
J.M. G. It teaches the concept of the Trinity. It teaches the concept of the Mother of God. It doesn’t command or promise or give examples of anything regarding appealing to Mary. Two different things. You’re not making a solid argument because you’re arguing apples and oranges.
Knowing that God is eternal, which both Catholics and Protestants agree to; one cannot listen to one side and claim to understand the hullabaloo about the title Mother of God. The immediate thought that comes to our minds is that God is eternal, we cannot claim to understand how God entered into His creation by means of young virgin, but He did. The issue is not that what Mary gave birth to was God who became flesh. The question is whether the term Mother of God is used collectly or misused. Qoute (from Evangelical Apologists): >>The Creed of Chalcedon, A.D. 451, includes the Greek term ‘theotokos’ to define the identity of Christ. ‘Theotokos’ literally means ‘God-bearer’, which is loosely translated into Latin ‘Mater Dei’ - Mother of God. The term was used to underline the fact that the child born of Mary was truly God, and thus to guard against the error that Christ was two persons in one body, rather than one person. This heresy, ‘Nestorianism’, was condemned at the First Council of Ephesus in A.D. 431. The Creed states, in part, that Christ was “begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, according to the Manhood.” The creed does not teach that Mary is the mother of Christ’s divine nature. As God, Christ has no beginning and no mother. Indeed, the creed explicitly says that he was begotten ‘before all ages’. Moreover, the creed qualifies the meaning of ‘theotokos’ by the phrase ‘according to the Manhood’, or, in another translation, ‘born of Mary the virgin, who is God-bearer in respect of his humanness’. It is only Christ’s human nature that is ascribed to Mary, from whom he was descended and born. Thankfully Catholics and Evangelicals are united on the doctrine of Christ. We believe that our Lord is a unique Person. He is eternally God; he also became a man. Yet Christ is not two persons, nor is he divided, but he is one Person with two distinct natures, divine and human. Thus it is equally correct to call him both ‘God’ and ‘man’, and for this reason, we do not hesitate to call his mother, the Mother of God. Sadly some have misused this title to attribute to Mary a role which the Lord never intended. Some Catholics think that Mary has a maternal authority over her Son, and therefore some ask Mary to plead on their behalf with her Son because they are convinced that he will never disobey his mother’s commands. Amazingly, in his days of humiliation, the Son of God did not only become a babe, but as a child, he submitted himself to the authority of his creatures - his putative father, Joseph, and his mother, Mary. Of course, he is no longer under such parental authority. Even during his earthly public ministry, he was led solely by the Holy Spirit to do the Father’s will. Following the resurrection and ascension, Christ is now seated at the right hand of Majesty, and he has all power over his church and all creation. Mary does not have authority over Jesus; on the contrary, Jesus is Mary’s Lord and Saviour. Let us, therefore, keep our eyes fixed on Jesus. Let us remember that for our salvation he was born of the blessed virgin mother, and was made human like us, so that he could be nailed to a cross to shed his innocent blood for our redemption. Let us also remember that the man Christ Jesus is none other than the eternal Son of God. He is not inattentive to the cries of his people, nor is he reluctant to save to the uttermost those who come to the Father through him. Let us confidently come to Christ. We ought to trust him with our souls and worship him as our God. * * * PS I received replies from several Catholic readers of the Gospel e-Letter saying that I misrepresented the Catholic teaching on Mary when I wrote, 'Mary has a maternal authority over her Son, and therefore some ask Mary to plead on their behalf with her Son because they are convinced that he will never disobey his mother’s commands.' I refer you to the popular devotion, The Glories of Mary, by St Alphonsus Liguori, to show that this is what some Catholics really believe. Excerpts: - Moreover, once Jesus Christ has deigned to make her His Mother, He was then obliged to obey her because He was her Son. - At the command of Mary, all obey, even God … God grants the prayers of Mary as if they were commands. - We are all under obligation to God for whatever we have, because everything is but a gift from Him, but by taking flesh from Mary and becoming Man, God was put to put Himself under obligation to her. - Although Mary obtains favours by asking, yet she asks with a certain maternal authority, and therefore we ought to feel confident that she obtains all she desires and asks for us. - The prayers of the Blessed Virgin, being the prayers of a Mother, have in them something of a command; so that it is impossible that she should not obtain what she asks - As thou hast, O Mary, the authority of a Mother with God, thou obtainest pardon for the most enormous sinners; since that Lord in all things acknowledges thee as his true and spotless Mother, he cannot do otherwise than grant what thou askest - Thou, O Mary, being Mother of the most high God, canst save all by thy prayers, which are increased in value by the maternal authority. This teaching is erroneous, and I hope that you reject it. On the contrary, I trust that like Mary, you submit yourself to the authority and grace of our Lord Jesus Christ for salvation and life.
Your comment is for the most part very well written. I only want to point out to you the Wedding at Cana, when Mary intercedes with Jesus on behalf of the bride and groom. Jesus, appearing to be reluctant, nevertheless complies with her request. This is an example of what Mary continues to do on behalf of those who ask for her intercession, and Jesus listens to her. There is also the finding of Jesus in the Temple, when Jesus went home with His Mother and Foster Father and was obedient to them. Consider the commandment “Honor thy father and thy mother.” In Judaism, obedience to parents is an important aspect of honoring them. Jesus fulfilled the Law perfectly. He treats His Mother with reverence even in Eternity. You may not want to believe this, but if you consider the Mind of Christ, you will understand. Philippians 2: “Have this mind in you which was in Christ Jesus….” going on to say “He emptied Himself,” meaning He was humble, and “obedient unto death.” The Mind of Christ would not be haughty or jealous of our requests to His Mother and to the Saints for their intercession. You are projecting your own lack of humility and obedience onto Jesus, who although He is Almighty God reigning in glory, still treats His Mother with the utmost respect and love.
@@MarilynBoussaid-yd1vk It seems "my comment is just well written" but you did not hear what it says in its fullness otherwise you would not comment saying the exact opposite. You write, for example "He[Jesus ] treats His mother with reverence even in eternity..." This the great example why I find it difficult to understand these type of arguments. You don't have a clue what is going on in eternity, yet you are here telling me what happens there, how do you know that the glorified Jesus who is God Eternal is in heaven listening to his mother? It seems Catholic Jesus has no attributes of God ~ the three Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent! It seems Mary is the one who has these attributes and has the capacity to hear the over a billion Catholics who call upon her for help all over the globe, if one stops to think about it. Tell me, who is Jesus to you? Is He the one in John 10 who is a good Shepherd or is that role belongs to Mary? Did Jesus indicate anywhere that He will shepherd us along side Mary? You interpretation of Philippians 2 is the most grievous, it has nothing to do with Mary and an example of Mariology approach to God's Word, seeing Mary in every sentence. The Jesus I know is capable of folding this world like a garment. The Jesus I know in His glory cannot be looked upon with naked eye, you will die immediately. The Jesus I know destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah in minute. Think about it, when He decided to enter into His own creation, He had to put aside His glory by His own will. That is what Philippians 2 is all about.
Mary, the Blessed Virgin Mother of Jesus Christ was NOT a sinner. God the Father chose a perfect, spotless, sinless, humble lady to be The Mother of God the Son. And God the Father showed us his humility by asking Mary if she will do this, to which she replied yes. If we are supposed to follow God / Jesus Christs example are we not supposed to be just as humble and meek as them?
One argument I would make if I didn’t believe what I do about the blessed virgin, is that when someone says “Mary mother of God” it’s like humanizing God to a level where God is nothing more than just a regular man. Like God needed a mother in order to give birth to him in order to exist.
As a protestant (Calvary Chapel) that is something I personally believe. I see Mary as Jesus' earthy mother, but not the literal mother of God (as in the eternal Trinity). To me, that would imply that she came before God, and as we know God is eternal and doesn't live in time. Not trying to argue
alray this sort of deep explanation, passion, and knowledge is exactly what my perish’s catechesis was lacking so much for many years. It’s become my prayer from now on that my home perish will receive good, deep, knowledgeable, compassionate people like yourself to guide those leaving, those currently in, and those joining our church. Thank you so much and God bless. And HAIL MARY! TOTUS TUUS!
@@snlescaille We call Mary the Mother of God as a way of honoring our Lord. We don't think that she is the Mother of the Blessed Trinity, that would be blasphemous. Mary is the Mother of God because that is Who the Person of her Son is, God, a divine Person. We enunciate that the Person conceived in her, dwelled in her, and was born of her really was God. Remember, Mothers don't give birth to bodies, they give birth to Persons, and from eternity His Person was and is God.
@@loganrieck4750 That makes sense. I personally see that our views on Mary are more similar than it may seem at first. According to my understanding of Scripture, I've always had a lot of respect for Mary. God picked her out of the thousands of other women available for a reason - she was an incredible woman. Really, the only thing I really disagree with though is praying to Mary. I have been looking into Catholicism (more the Eastern side) and I cannot get past this. Jeremiah chapter 44 (emphasis on verses 15-19) and Jeremiah 7:18 lead me to believe that this is condemned. Especially since the Bible never mentions prayers to the dead. Is there anything that I'm missing? Your interpretation is something for me to pray about and look into more.
Hello brothers and sisters of the catholic faith. I am a protestant. I have zero problems calling Mary the mother of God, given all the proper definitions of words. But I have some considerations. The Second Person of the Trinity always existed and did not begin in Mary's womb, so the analogy with human parents does not work well. We as human persons are destined to begin to exist in conception through the union of our parents flesh. Jesus always existed and has an eternal memory. So Jesus remember creating Mary. Whatever the Father does, the Son does. Jesus, as the Word of God, (same person) raised mary, cared for her as His creation and as His children. I can call Mary the Mother of God with no hesitation, given all those considerations. But with that same logic ( calling Mary Mother of God, because she was mother of Jesus) I can call myself brother of God. Sorry if that sounds weird. But Jesus gave me that right. Luke 8 20 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to see you.” 21 He replied, “My mother and brothers are those who hear God’s word and put it into practice.” I am Jesus's brother. I am God's brother. So are you. God bless.
This shows the universal acceptance of Jesus to have himself united with people who practice his word in their life. You and me child of God, brother etc if we live the word of God. Mary- the real biological mother of Jesus. Who was born with the power of the holy spirit. As per the promise of God in the blood line of David Jesus was born. There is a huge difference here. The verse you mentioned - promises everyone in this world to have a relationship with God. Lastly, this verse is a crucial one cause Jesus also says those who live by the word of God. It relates to a pure life like Mary. There is a deep message behind the Lords sentence. Cause we need an immense blessing and a sinless life to attain that post with Jesus. Would you call yourself child of God or Brother of God?
@@adrianjeffery497 Hi Adrian. God bless you, brother. I know you believe that about Mary: that she was a sinless human. But i believe that this tradition goes against the entire biblical testimony. But my point there was not to prove that mary was a human that, just like every other human, was saved from sin and damnation. I was simply implying that. But i have to point out an inconsistency in your argument, as we can found in any tradition created by man. Of course there is a difference between our relation to the Lord and Mary's relation to the lord, and David's relation to the Lord and so on. But is this a spiritual difference? You stated that Mary was sinless, born with the power of the Holy Spirit and had a pure life. You said also that this is a "crucial" text that has a "deep message" about that. So let's read every crucial word. With all the attetion it deserves. Using the logic you apllied to the verse it also means that the "brothers" of Jesus were at the same level of His mother. This "Pure life" status that you metioned. Adrien. Your Lord and my Lord does not say: "MY MOTHER are thoses who hear God’s word and put it into practice." We are just talking about hearing Jesus words properly and believing in them. Let's REALLY listen to Jesus. Rather our Lord says: “My mother and brothers are those who hear God’s word and put it into practice." You have a dillema here. If Jesus was exalting his biological connections , he exalted his brothers together with Mary. Meaning they were also biological sons of Mary. I believe his brothers were biological sons of Mary. But your traditions deny that. If he was not exalting his biological connections, then he was doing the opposite: showing them to be irrelevant. Wich is also denied by your traditions. There's no way out of this. About your question if i would call myself "child of God" or "Brother of God" .... (the CAPS are mandatory?) Answer: This is a false anthithesis. I will call myself any name God ascribe to me, any title the Lord desire. so i would call myself child of God, creation of God, son of God, family of God, brother of God (without the caps, the caps looks like a trap, brother. lol). The point of Jesus is clear. His family is not biological, his family is spiritual, through faith in his word we are properly his family, EVEN HIS MOTHER AND HIS BROTHERS. Thank you for you time. God bless us.
Mary was a biological host and the human descendant of royalty so she was chosen by God to provide the right geneology for Jesus human half, I simply don't see scriptural evidence for her being as significant as the Catholics say she is... Salvation was achieved by him alone, grace is though him alone, intercession is by the spirit of God not Mary, forgiveness, healing, deliverance, all though Jesus finished work on the cross.... anything else is pure idolatry.
In James 5;16 and in Matthew 5;44, there is scriptural support for praying for each other. I can ask you to pray for me and I can pray for you. How, then, can asking Mary to pray for us, be idolatry?
Firstly, a mother is not simply a 'biological host'. Motherhood/Fatherhood is much more profound than that. Secondly, you speak of Mary being the instrument for Jesus' human half. This betrays the truth that those who deny the 'Theotokos' somehow believe that Jesus is half God and half man. He is fully the Son of God and Son of Mary (Man). He receives His Divine nature from His Father, and His human nature from His Mother. A parent, strictly speaking, is one who gives his/her nature to an offspring. Well then, Mary gave Her human nature to 'God the Son'. Thus She is rightly called Mother of God the Son or Mother of God for short. Notice the difference between the understanding of Motherhood as giving/sharing of nature as opposed to a biological host. God the Word received human nature from Mary, so She is the Mother of God's Word.
@@aarespo - God is not a created being...Jesus has existed since the beginning...long before Mary was born in sin to two sinful parents...when the Word became flesh, the blood barrier ensured that Mary's sinful blood did not enter Jesus in human form...His sinless blood is soooooo precious...Mary physically bore other children and was 100% a sinful woman......
Mary isn't God, this is true. This also means Mary doesn't produce her own light. The same can apply for the moon - the moon doesn't produce its own light, it reflects the light of the sun. So if God is the sun since He produces His own light, then Mary is the moon because she doesn't produce her own light, but reflects God's light and love. Also, Mary's ultimate goal is to bring us closer to her Son, Jesus. "Why go to Mary though when you can go straight to Jesus?" Great question! Think of it like this - you're in a relationship with someone, and you eat at their parents' house for the first time. The parents are extremely generous and you learn a whole lot about them, which more than likely makes you learn more about your partner, and especially helps you love your partner more. It's the same thing with Mary - when we get to know the Mother of Jesus, we learn more about Jesus Himself, and we learn to love Him better. Also, Jesus wants us to know His Mother! If he didn't, he wouldn't've referred to her as John's mother, and He wouldn't've referred to John as her son (John 19:26-27). One example of this in Scripture is the Wedding at Cana. Mary learned before Jesus that they were all out of wine, but Mary wasn't the one who turned the water into wine. Instead, she took it to Jesus, and when He said He'd do it, Mary told the servants, "Do whatever He tells you to." She didn't say anything about herself, she made it all about her Son. Again, she is not God and she does not have His power, but her ultimate goal is to bring us closer to Jesus, the blessed fruit of her womb.
The problem here with argument I think that she gave birth to a person that already existed because he is eternal, so when Mary gives birth to Jesus, she does not create any person, cant create what already exist. She is mother of God, but noup his divinity source is Father. Not convinced. But any way blessed be my brothers from Chatolic church, let's agree and fight togheter against real enemy, devil. Because if you belive in trinity and accepted Jesus and I do the same, I call you my brother.
Mary is the Theotokos, the bearer of God, the one who carried the God-Man. besides Greek & English, no other European language that I know makes the difference between Motherhood & childbearing. as a Calvinist, I have no issues with Mary being the one the Father chose to carry the Son, the same way a surrogate mother carries another family's child. •is Mary blessed? the Bible says so. •was Jesus born of a virgin birth? the bible says so. •was Mary forever virgin? there's nothing within Scriptures saying this unequivocally, caths read the passage "your mother and your cousins" or "your mother & your half-siblings", while prots read it "your mother and your full siblings".
Most Evangelicals today who reject Mary as the Mother of God are embracing some form of Nestorianism ipso facto. If you say Mary only gave birth to the "human nature" of Jesus, you have a major Christological heresy on your hands.... and it is not a new one either. The truth about Mary protects the truth about Jesus- He is fully God and fully Man. Ave Maria.
Hail Mary” and portions of the “Hail, Holy Queen” are blatantly unbiblical. While the first part of the Hail Mary is almost a direct quotation from Luke 1:28, there is no scriptural basis for (1) praying to Mary, (2) addressing her as “holy,” or (3) calling her “our life” and “our hope.” Praying the rosary involves giving attributes to Mary that the Bible never gives her. To call Mary “holy”-the Catholic Church teaches that Mary never sinned or had any taint of original sin-is not biblical. The Bible calls all believers “saints,” which can be interpreted as “holy ones,” but Scripture says that the righteousness believers have is the imputed righteousness from Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21).
Matthew 12 46-59 : Jesus himself denies the importance of his earthly mother. Only through faith in God Jesus and confessing we are sinners we are saved from the sin. Only through good works we get righteous. But there is no point to become righteous if your sins have not been forgiven. So... Through faith alone I am saved. I don’t need to do anything to get this salvation, admit to yourself that you are a sinner and believe in Jesus and that he died for that sin. Also it’s not only, that you don’t need to do anything to be saved, you can’t do anything to get saved. It’s impossible. There is no good work you could do, that cleanse you from sin, only Jesus
Hmmm so what if you know that you are a sinner, and believe in Jesus and know that he died for your sins but still reject him or do not repent, would you suppose that if you died so, you would be heading to heaven?
Jesus never denied her u have to read the context to get his message. Remember the woman of Genesis why would Jesus be calling her woman if not to remember u the woman of Genesis. Go back and read again
You are the son/daughter of your mother, not just your body but both body and soul. However your mother did not give you a soul, she just gave you the flesh but we don't say "you are the mother of my body" instead we say "you are my mother"
@@oimss2021 absolutely 👍 It seems the reals problems people are having on both sides of this argument is all because of disagreements/confusions of definitions! I see where both the catholics and protestants are coming from!
The virgin Mary, by God’s grace, recognized that she needed the Savior. The Bible never says that Mary was anyone but an ordinary human whom God chose to use in an extraordinary way. Yes, Mary was a righteous woman and favored (graced) by God (Luke 1:27-28). At the same time, Mary was a sinful human being who needed Jesus Christ as her Savior, just like everyone else (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 6:23; 1 John 1:8).
@Luke C. The bible says multiple times tht jesus was perfect. It says all have sinned except jesus the only perfect human. So what r u really saying here?
I was born and baptised Catholic but in my early 20s began the happy clappy Protestant song and dance that lasted off and on for decades until I discovered my Catholic heritage in my 50's. Now I am a devout Catholic because it fully satisfies my soul that Protestantism never did, but I still really appreciate my Protestant experience because it led me to the deep truth of Catholicism.
And what is that deep truth? To do whatever the priests can think of next? Change positions over time to stay relevant? Commit heinous crimes and emit a half assed apology centuries later? Idolatry? Or what?
@@ElficGuy what are you trying to say?
@@karenking6511 That I have no idea of what that "Deep truth" is. At all, all I can think of are deep lies (and profanities).
@xtreme survival If your point is that there are worst thing in there (Catholic church)? Yes, there are.
About the idols and art and that any man made thing can be an idol, that would be true if we prayed to art, or asked our paintings for favours, no one does, don't pretend it's the same.
I didn't bring up child molestation, but you did, why is that?
Saying that the priests teach the same as Jesus, is the same as saying the Pharisees were following perfectly well God's will cause they got their teachings from Moses and he learned from God directly; so Jesus shouldn't have rebuked them... Yea...
And no-one has answered my question:
What is that deeper truth?
All you can mutter are half assed defenses.
@Order Of The Black Cross
About the idols and art and that any man made thing can be an idol, that would be true if we prayed to art, or asked our paintings for favours, no one does, don't pretend it's the same.
I didn't bring up child molestation, but you did, why is that?
Saying that the priests teach the same as Jesus, is the same as saying the Pharisees were following perfectly well God's will cause they got their teachings from Moses and he learned from God directly; so Jesus shouldn't have rebuked them... Yea...
And no-one has answered my question:
What is that deeper truth?
All you can mutter are half assed defenses.
I’ve been struggling with my Catholicism for a while, but this has always made sense to me, pray for me please, God bless you all
Just letting you know how to get to heaven 🫶🏼 State of Grace= heaven. State of mortal sin= hell. You can look up the difference. Once you commit a mortal sin, turn from it, meaning stop doing it and ask Jesus for forgiveness to enter the state of grace. If you fall back into mortal sin, keep turning away from it and asking for forgiveness, God bless ✝️
Read The Poem of the Man-God (The Gospel as revealed to me) - Maria Valtorta.
You'll have all the answers.
I also, like Leo, was a cradle Catholic. I attended Catholic grade school 1st-8th grade. I loved everything about my faith as a Catholic. I left the church at age 24. I became born again in a Protestant church and for the next 20 years learned to study the Bible, grow in my faith and also developed an arrogance on why Catholicism is wrong. At age 45 started going thru a really difficult period at my work. It was so bad that I felt God didn’t care about me. I started questioning my faith. One day I heard the Lord speak to me and tell me to go to Mass that night. I, in my Protestant arrogance, told the Lord that I was too good for the Catholics. I didn’t go and the following Monday I went to my pastor and told him that I felt the Lord was leading me back to the Catholic Church. He began to tell me I was all wrong, that the stress from my job was playing a big part in that - a change to escape my hostile work environment And then he had his associate pastors and the church secretary lay hands on me and pray that my mind would be clear enough to truly hear the Lord and “forget the nonsense and wrong thinking” about returning to the Catholic faith. Well, it worked. God did answer prayers. That following Saturday I heard the Lord speaking to me again and this time I went to Saturday night Mass. I sat in the last pew in the corner and wept and knew this is where I belong. I’m 68 now, have truly studied the faith, have grown in Bible study and devotions and am so thankful that He took me on that long journey to get to where I am now. Our 3 kids who were raised in the Protestant faith still don’t understand why I am Catholic. They stopped going to church. I don’t preach to them but they see me live my faith and I everyday and I share my faith with them when they ask about it. My actions speak volumes and that is how I what I want my witness to be - a sinner saved by Grace, who loves the Lord, and am so blessed by my journey with the Lord.
Amazing. Enjoyed reading your journey. With prayers from Indonesia.
Obviously, you learned to study the Bible (Quote)... but did not walk in Faith bur walked in self arrogance and went back to the Catholic Faitb??? FIGURES!! Blessings.
This is so touching
Did you hear the Lord acoustically?
@@ttshiroma This statement makes it sound like all who study the Bible are perfectly righteous.
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen
@クリスタルきみこ The invocation is *from* the Bible.
Hail Mary” and portions of the “Hail, Holy Queen” are blatantly unbiblical. While the first part of the Hail Mary is almost a direct quotation from Luke 1:28, there is no scriptural basis for (1) praying to Mary, (2) addressing her as “holy,” or (3) calling her “our life” and “our hope.”
Praying the rosary involves giving attributes to Mary that the Bible never gives her. To call Mary “holy”-the Catholic Church teaches that Mary never sinned or had any taint of original sin-is not biblical. The Bible calls all believers “saints,” which can be interpreted as “holy ones,” but Scripture says that the righteousness believers have is the imputed righteousness from Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21).
@@roselaqueen3105 Elizabeth called her blessed, hail Mary full of Grace is from the Bible, and was how the angel Gabriel addressed her... The next part of the prayer comes from Elizabeth when her child leaps for joy as soon as he hears her voice...
Then the rest of the prayer is asking her to pray for us... If we thought she was God why on earth would we ask her to pray for us.. doesn't make any sense.
Anyway what about the holy commandment "respect thy mother and father" does the mother of Jesus the God man not deserve our respect! As for being holy, I mean if you were God who would you choose to be the mother of your son, the average mom full of sin, or a holy woman who wants nothing more than to serve the Lord?
@@onedayatatime7022 Give me the bible verses of the things which u have said.
@@roselaqueen3105 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hail_Mary#:~:text=The%20text%20also%20appears%20in,the%20fruit%20of%20thy%20womb.%22
I came into the Church from a secular Jewish background. I devoured the teachings of the Catholic Church but had a stumbling block with Mary; not as Protestants do because I had no anti-Marian background to deal with. I would do what I later learned Chesterton did: I moved on, accepting the Church with confidence and putting off the question of Marian devotion, expecting that God would make sense of it to me in time. One day, it happened. Mary broke through my coldness to her and made sense to me. How happy I am for that.
Amazing that the whole new testament is about Jesus and what He has done and you run to His mortal dead mother, spirit alive in the heavenly realm ,and call upon her ?
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 Amazing that you would disrespect the woman who God chose to enter physically into his creation.
The problem isn't that Catholics put Mary too high but rather protestants put Jesus too low. Almost at the level of a demi god when Jesus is consubstantial with the Father.
Same with myself (agnostic background).
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 wah wah wah
@@lois2997 You disagree to what?
I was born and raised Catholic, and I've been to protestant churches while being respectful and keeping an open mind through invitations from friends who tried to convert me, but none came close to how I felt in the Catholic church... Praise The Lord and his church!!!
Invite them to a Catholic Mass(of course they can't receive communion) and see if they are as "open" as you were.
“We must hold to the Christian religion and to communication in her Church, which is catholic and which is called catholic not only by her own members but even by all her enemies. For when heretics or the adherents of schisms talk about her, not among themselves but with strangers, willy-nilly they call her nothing else but Catholic. For they will not be understood unless they distinguish her by this name which the whole world employs in her regard”- St. Augustine of Hippo (The True Religion 7:12 [A.D. 390]).
Before Jesus ascended into heaven from the Mount of Olive Jesus told His disciples that he was going to give them a comforter to replace Him when He was gone who would tell them everything that Jesus wanted Him to tell them. My Catholic friends, who is that person? Is it Mary or the Holy Spirit? It is the Holy Spirit who came from heaven down to earth into our body not one who came from earth up to heaven as a woman.
Mary's bones are still on earth in a grave somewhere here on earth but her spirit is in Hades waiting for her judgment day like the rest of human beings created in God's image. Don't make Mary a goddess or your mother she is only your sister in Christ. She was the mother of our Lord Jesus Christ as fully man only for the purpose of bringing Him into this world, and fully Divine who came from God the Father in heaven down to earth. (Emmanuel God with us).
Also, Jesus never said to pray to Mary but only to our Father in heaven. Catholics sure like to twist the scriptures to fit their narrative belief. RCC teaches a different gospel from the Bible or from the apostle Pau teachings therefore your religion is cursed by God. It is a pagan religion that worships statues which makes you idolaters and sinners that will send you to hell. Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with God through His son Jesus Christ.
@@jpd4676 Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 16:19). Please research the significance of this action.
@@laurenp1618he also gave them to the rest of the apostles and the context is within church discipline. That’s it. Catholics have added so much to this one verse it’s insane.
@@KnightFel Read all of Matthew 16:13-20 known as "Peter's Confession about Jesus".
You shouldn't read Matthew 16:19 in isolation.
Matthew
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He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
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Simon Peter said in reply, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
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Jesus said >>to him
The “human marriage and childbirth” analogy is absolutely incredible, I can’t believe that I’ve never heard it before!
It seems obvious to me. She gave birth. She is the mother of Jesus.
What should seem obvious to everyone is why Catholics describe Jesus and Mary’s relationship from Mary’s standpoint first, and not from the actual preeminent One, from Jesus standpoint. Is it or is it not true that Jesus created Mary? if Mary is not divine then, obviously, he did create her. Why wouldn’t we speak about Mary as being Jesus creation?
Also, the mother father analogy in the human sense falls flat. If we concede that the mother and father are not the source of the child’s soul, then it is technically accurate to say that the mother and father are the source of his body. He tries to make the point that this isn’t true, but it obviously is. So then, what do we mean when we say that a woman is someone’s mother? We are describing the physical, genetic lineage and the accompanying authority that they have over the child as parents. It is not meant to describe the “soul “relationship between the parents and the child.
So, in what sense is Mary “the mother of God“? Does she have authority over Jesus the way that the father has authority over Jesus? This is blasphemy, if Jesus is greater than Mary as God, then she is not His mother AS God, but not in the human sense, as she exercised authority over him and the human relationship which is important to define because one of the commandments is to honor your father and your mother, and Jesus would not be exempt from this. I could say more, but I will stop there.
Are you the mother of a person or a nature when, you give Birth? If you are the Mother of a Person, then you are therefore mother of a body and soul, since a person is both body and rational soul. To say Mary is the Mother of the Human Side of Jesus only would be to split Jesus into two Persons, one human and one divine, which is a Christological heresy, and is why the term Mother of God was used in the first place. Jesus is however, One Person, who Had Two Natures, Divine, and Human, in One Person. This is called the Hypostatic Union. To get around this you would have to say one of three things:
Jesus is two Persons (heresy(
Jesus was not God from the beginning, but became God (heresy)
You give birth to a nature, not a person
Yes, God creates the soul upon conception, while the parents help create the body, but nobody would say that their mom is only the mother of their body, but the mother of them specifically. Plus, it’s not like you are a soul trapped in a body, but the teaching is you literally are your body, that’s why we have the Resurrection of the dead , we, humans, are made to be Body and Soul, not just Soul. Furthermore, no, obviously, Mary did not create God, God always existed, and Created Mary. We are merely saying that since Mary is the Mother of the Person of Jesus Christ, Who is God, then Mary must be the Mother of God. Hope that makes sense.
Wow! Just wow!!
I'm an orthodox and no one EVER explained this to me this clear 😍
Thank you so much
Don't be deceived
@@ccookRomans with God's blessing, I won't be deceived.. It's just the way that he described it was innovative ❤️
@@MeekoMeeko360 Yeah, we don't want to fall into Idolatry!
@@ccookRomans amen
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. ❤️ God bless you my friend
@@MeekoMeeko360 AMEN!
Fr Mitch Pakwa is incredible. Always been to me since the first time I heard him, even till this morning.
Mary has always been a favorite that I've accepted as long as I can recall, because my grandmother took me to mass from at least my age 3 years of age on.
Ironic how having grown leaving my juvenile assumptions and learning from these silly attacks from many, I have begun to appreciate Catholicism in my return from nowhere
Enjoy the journey! (ps take Our Mother along with you, she's a big help!) God bless
@@sherrywhite1517 I really appreciate your words
Very powerful statement, Tim. Thanks Matt for inviting him to your channel. God bless
John 19:26-27
When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son," and to the disciple, "Here is your mother." (NIV)
And thus, she is our mother. Jesus "gave" HIS MOTHER to us all. Holy Mother Mary, we love you!
I love Mama Mary!!! How could I not love my own mother?
Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now until the hour of our death Amen
@Lunar Night the burning bush passage i am the God of abraham the God of isaac and the God of Jacob. God is the God of the living not of the dead, so you greatly err
@Lunar Night also "because I live you also will live" and many more passages
⚜️ Ave Maria
🪽✝️🕊Mary Mother of God pray for me 🪽✝️🕊
Make it easy...Scripture says Elizabeth told Mary Mother of my Lord..easy enough
💖 this!
@Lunar Night God is God of the living not the dead
@Lunar Night Who’s The Woman Clothed With The Sun in the Book of Revelations?
Vincent Ardizzone it’s israel...apocalyptic literature-especially revelation-should be read as it was intended, meaning you have to correctly interpret its symbolism.
@@JonathanSunkari Read Luke 1-26-38 and you will see the resemblance
This was a brilliant explanation. Thank you and God Bless.
Love love LOVE this video. I've watched it so many times.
Man, I love this guy. A marine and loving apologist.
He is a deceiver. Did Jesus die once and for all sin? or must you atone for your own sin in purgatory?
Is there one mediator between God and man, the Man Christ Jesus, or is Mary as the catechism states is a co mediatrix? Dont be deceived. Go look up Richard Bennet of BereanBeacon read his books. A priest for 25 years who came to know Christ and exposed Catholcism for its false teachings.
I was gonna start my rcia classes before the virus decided to make people crazy. Now i don't know when they're gonna start back up. I'm hearing maybe September for the church by me. But the confusing thing is, is that I'm 16. That's a problem cause i wanna be put with the adults who actually want to be there and are educated on the subject like i am. Anyway i dunno why i said that cause i doubt anyone cares but o well😐
I’m 16 too, man. Can’t convert until I go off to college in a couple years. At least I’ll be an adult by then.
Good luck.
@Dustin Neely why?
@@sageseraph5035 were you already a christian before turning to the Catholic Church? Or are you converting all together.
Good luck, and welcome to the truth. RC has a Marian edge even over orthodoxy (Immaculate Conception and the Lourdes and Fatima miracles, and the rosary recognized by Mary), so as I said, welcome to the truth.
I wonder if protestants scholars knew of the Papyrus 470 which is the oldest papyrus that contains prayer to Mary dating 250 AD before even Constantine reigns and before any Council (so u cant make an argument that Constantine or Council of Ephesus made the movement of worshipping Mary) is made , i encourage everyone to go check it , it is preserved in John Rylands Library in Manchester , It’s the Sub Tuum Praesidium, and it goes like this:
Beneath your compassion,
We take refuge, O Mother of God [Theotokos]:
do not despise our petitions in time of trouble:
but rescue us from dangers,
only pure, only blessed one.
Wow they called her Theotokos , only pure , only blessed? Isnt this made up in the Council of Ephesus ? No Early Christians all knew of the status of Mary and her wonders she make with people whom call her , they loved her and she loves her children also 🤗🥰🥰🥰
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@Peter Dennis Am Happy u like it , thats the early church 🤗🤗❤❤🌺🌺 Virgin Mary is our protector she always prays to Jesus about each one of us , my Protestant friend he knows greek was confused when i told him of this prayer , he pointed out that only pure , only blessed is feminine noun , and they are many who are speaking , its not individual prayer , its a gathering of Christians , part of liturgy. Theotokos was a known term given to Mary before Council of Ephesus lol , Even Ignatius of Antioch disciple of John in his letter he said Jesus our God born of a virgin in greek "Theos" wasnt this a precursor to Theotokos , he believes Mary is Mother of God Jesus.
Protestant position is so wrong...
@@Hello-ro8fq well the Catholic or Orthodox church dont worship Mary , Protestants insist with stubborness that they worship Mary thats not true , we dont do anything more than this prayer of the early Christians did , There were no early sect of worshipping Mary and they call her Mother of God "Theotokos" not God , if they worship Mary they should call her God "Theos" right? ...
@@Hello-ro8fq you really should not write on these forums until you know what you are writing about. The fact that you were a Muslim shows how easily you were misled while in Islam. This will explain it to you, and then you can apologize www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z2bbtv4/revision/4
There are Protestants who presume this or that about Marian devotion while being completely ignorant of Church history and having no primary scholarly proof for their claims which are pure conjectures. Muslims are the same by alleging post-Apostolic Christians corrupted the true gospels and got rid of the original ones to conceal the fact that Jesus never died and had risen from the dead. Nor was he the Godman. Anyway, Marian theology and devotion has its roots in Jesus and ancient Judaism, not in the pagan mystery religions in Rome. This is a faulty correlation. Atheists are no different by comparing Jesus with the pagan deities and demigods like Horus and Mithra.
@@Hello-ro8fq show me where is my ignorance brother , where is the Marian sect in the early 2nd or 3rd century as the Papyrus dates? Who are they and who wrote against them from the early 2nd or 3rd century?
I gotta say this is the most convincing argument I gave heard for Mary as the mother of God. I have been praying for a long time now and constantly have been having a subtle answer in my heart that i need to go to the Catholic church. I have been protestant then agnostic then back to protestant all in my adult life. The thing that scares me is how resistant I have felt myself to this idea of joining the Catholic faith and this almost fear of talking about with those I am so close to in my life. I feel your videos and many others have helped me in my journey with theology and I am very optimistic about growing in and furthering my relationship with God and in finding a church to belong to fully in my heart. Thank you, God bless you
Keep following your heart. I hope to see you in the Catholic Church one day
I am a cradle Catholic and never really got to know how wonderful our faith is until I got older. I regret it a lot.
I wish I would have started studying a lot earlier. The fullness of the faith resides in Jesus's Church. For over 2000 his church has been attacked from inside and outside and is still stands.
Jesus said that the gates of hell will not prevail against it and so I continues.
What's wrong with belonging fully to Jesus Christ Himself? Why are you so confused?? What's the problem? 😐😐😐
@@lcringo3498 it's not about confusion 100% but that as a protestant we accept certain things differently than Catholics. To be frank I have come to an understanding that they are wrong, I believe the catholics have this right and although I trust my protestant friends and ministers to be Christ following Christians I still think they are wrong. It took me many months to reach this point and my emotional brain has resisted it quote a lot. Honestly I am still somewhat afraid to talk to my protestant mom about converting even though I know she will just disagree with my decision
Go there but be aware: you will have to accept that the pope is God's locum tenens (place holder) on Earth, meaning that he substitutes Christ and to obey him. Also accept that he entitles himself as The Holy Father a title reserved only for our heavenly Father so accept that
the pope is the god on this world. Now, I guess you know who is the god of this world, no? Satan is. So go and obey Satan, kiss his ring and be happy.
Moreover: imaculata conceptione which means that Mary the Virgin was conceived without sin. When one can say that she indeed was cleansed by the Holy Spirit and that she had the original sin.
And no, she is not the source of God, Jesus Christ because it is written: before Abraham was, I Am (as it was revealed to Moses).
I am an Easter orthodox Christian but please don't go to any of the existing churches before you clarify your heart. You are confused because you are deceived.
God bless you!
Sensational. And fully convincing. I am Catholic but had not heard that argument...
I love hearing the logic behind the titles given to Mary.
In all honesty you just have to look at the traditional role of a queen in a kingdom and ascribe to her similar attributes and duties and to look at her role in that context but on much less surface level analysis. After all, the structure of the “heavenly society,” and domain of God are described as the ‘Kingdom,’ of Heaven and the kingdom of God. Not asserting that you don’t know any of this, just inserting my two cents ^_^
Curtis Jones Nope. But keep regurgitating.
Me too! Shows what a clear heresy it is.
@@1kpjones⚜️ Hail Mary
⚜️ Ave Maria
⚜️ Queen of Heaven and Earth
@@CanadianBluesdeception.
There is no queen of heaven. If she was Jesus mother how is she going to be the mother of God and spouse of the Holy Ghost. Foolishness
I find it amazing that most of the apologists on Catholic Answers are CONVERTS to the faith!!! These people were once non-Catholic and once they delved into the truths of the Catholic faith and considered them truly, they fell in love with it and felt called to be apologists!!
They weren’t Biblically grounded. Notice Tim Staples said he was a charismatic [Assemblies of God], who followed wolf and false teacher, Jimmy Swaggart.
The only convert who was really well educated was Gerry Matatics, but Catholic Answers likes to pretend he never existed. He’s a sede vacantist, now.
But Staples had no Biblical grounding. He was bound to go where the wind blows in the direction of a church that looked like it had +structure+ and depth. The EXACT opposite of the failed, unBiblical AoG babblers.
@@KristiLEvans1 you are another one who trolls every catholic site to whine grie up kristi get a life
Protestant faith is a relationship with Debate not God. I was one of them left catholic ( became prideful as Protestant, luckily finding the debate of Scott Hann and Fr G( faith alone/ Eucharist) left Protestant and went back to the true Church of Jesus Christ Catholic- I felt the spirit of God cause it shivers me when I heard from Father G- He himself said it - “This is my body, given up for you”- Eucharist. Mary I started reading Mary is Eve, Rachel, Arc covenant, Woman in genesis-foot of cross given to John- revelation- ( plus ruth, and when she goes to elizabeth/ 3months- similar to arc and david). Amazing. All glory to God.
Wow! what a great explanation!! A must share video! GBY both!🙏🏾❤️
This is why the orthodox term "theotokos" meaning "God-bearer" is a better term. Its more ancient, and does not have needlessly confusing ideas baked into it. Mother of God, even if it can be explained away, does have implications of origin baked into it. Not the case with theotokos.
I am blessed that Jesus Christ showed me the errors of my misconceptions about Catholicism. I spent several weeks discerning my desire to be Catholic and after reading the early church fathers, I correctly discerned my desire was from God. I was attacked with such hate from Protestants during my RCIA classes. I pray every day for Protestants to come to the knowledge of God's truth
I guess I’m atypical. As an evangelical convert to the Catholic Church, Pope John Paul the Great was the earliest draw for me, closely followed by Mary. I still have the Knights of Columbus course by mail books that introduced me to the Marian doctrines.
And of course! *The Spanish Inquisition*
Mary received God’s grace.
Grace is “unmerited favor”; that is, grace is a blessing we receive despite the fact that we do not deserve it. Mary needed grace from God and a Savior, just as the rest of us do. Mary herself understood this fact, as she declared in Luke 1:47, “My spirit rejoices in God my Savior.”
The problem with protestants is they believe in Sola Scriptura alone but remember the Rapture is not named in the Bible only referenced but you deny what is actually written in the Bible about Mary. There are many miracles and mysteries that happened later on revealed only to a select few people like the saints which is not written.
You want the King James Version?
Luke 1:28 "Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women."
This is in the Hail Mary prayer. Angel Gabriel said this.
Luke 1:41 "...Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost"
God the Holy Spirit filled Elizabeth and made her say:
Luke 1:42 "...Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb."
Again this is in the Hail Mary prayer, God the Holy Spirit allowed Elizabeth to say this, who are you to deny us to say this? When even God the Holy Spirit made it clear.
Luke 1:43 "And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?"
Elizabeth recognized Jesus as her Lord but she also gave the utmost respect and honor to Mary referring to her, this is called veneration not worship.
Luke 1:48 "...from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed."
All generations means up to now, the generations did not stop when the books of the Bible are finished and compiled, this is Bible prophecy fulfilled. This generation still calls Mary blessed through the Hail Mary prayer.
The 1st miracle in the wedding at Cana, action speaks louder than words. The Lord fulfilled the request of Mary even when it was still not His time, the Bible has many parallels, this is one of them and the Lord did not acquiesce as Protestants claim because there are many instances where the Lord did not act upon.
There are many parallels of the "woman" Mary as shown here: ruclips.net/video/kUdYeYy3NQA/видео.html
It is only 11 minutes make sure to finish the video.
She is the Theotokos, only 1 woman bore the Word made flesh, not any woman can do that role, not your mother not my mother, out of millions and billions in all human history only she is worthy to bear our Lord Jesus Christ. She has no original sin cause it would be impossible for the Lord to be in her womb. The Lord hates sin but loves the sinners.
She is the mother of the Word made flesh, after crucifixion when the Lord spoke to them it is not only Jewish tradition but She is our mother! Which makes her the mother of all, she intercedes for us, she points us to her Son, asks us to repent and to change our ways.
The parallels of Lucifer and Mary and why you can call on her name during exorcisms:
Mary is the humblest while the Devil is the proudest.
Mary is the purest while the Devil is the filthiest.
Mary is the most obedient while the Devil is the most rebellious.
Mary always defeats the Devil because she has no taint of sin (original sin):
aleteia.org/2017/07/02/devil-admits-to-exorcist-im-afraid-of-the-madonna/
If you are ever present in an exorcism say her name so the possessed can hear it and watch the reaction.
When Mother Mary reveals herself in Garabandal, Lourdes, Fatima, etc. It is always to ask people to repent, change their lives and turn to her Son our Lord Jesus Christ. She is always crying for us, she is still interceding for us! Even in the book "Heaven is for real" the Protestant kid saw Mary kneeling in front of the throne of God.
The Warning, the Miracle, Tribulation, 3 days of darkness (after Tribulation) and the Rapture (after the 3 days of darkness), all of which are true and will happen. Especially the Warning when a visible cross can be seen in the sky, it is so close now. You would know later on how Mother Mary loves us so much! Jesus through Mary, God bless.
Rose laqueen you are correct, I have said the same thing to Catholic priests.
Jovanz Palisbo ‘rapture’ is in the Latin Vulgate, what is being described is the snatching away, the Greek term is Harpazo
@@ericdelanoy9570 Wait for the Warning, when you see a cross in the sky then we will see the state of our soul in God's eyes. Everyone 7 years old above will experience it. Many will die because of shock caused by sin. It is the first of many events before the Rapture.
@@jovanzpalisbo662 None is denying that she is blessed. With God all things are possible. So it wasn't imposible for jesus to be born to mary who was ot perfect. If mary was sinless why wasn't she the sacrifece?? The bible saiys only jesus alone is sinless. Where is her being sinless coming from?? give me bible verse. Why did she call jesus her lord, God and savoir?? If she was sinless why would she need a savoir. Was mary's mother also "perfect"? if it God needed a "perfect vessel for mery to be born" The first part of the prayer is a direct quote from the bible verses. What about the the reat of the mary prayer?? Why would she prayer for sinners if she is not the saviour?? What about
When the Feast of Tabernacles was approaching, Jesus’ brothers tried to encourage him to go to Judea and act publicly so he could show himself to the world, but Jesus said, “My time is not yet here.” He eventually did go to the feast in a not-so-public way, and while he taught in the temple, the leaders desired to seize him, but, “No man laid his hand on him, because his hour had not yet come.”
reply point by point to what I have said
Beautiful! Down to the basics that make it so clear!
I love You soooooooo much Mother of my LORD.
I love YOU infinitely my LORD. And thank YOU soooo much my LORD for loving us infinitely and unconditionally and thank YOU sooo much my LORD for YOUR amazing Mother❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
AMENNNN!!!!!
Amen 🕊✝️🙏🙏✝️🕊
The demons are triggered...Ave Maria, your immaculate Heart❤ will triumph.
There's a lot of Marian dogma in the catholic church dating back to ancient times. But sadly no catholic talks about the Marian miracles that point to Her being our mother and the mother of God. There's Guadalupe, Lourdes, Fatima, Garabandal, Akita and so many miraculous places and sites. Besides there's that famous old saying: to Jesus thru Mary. That's who got me to love Jesus. She was my mother and friend long before I knew Jesus. And boy is she powerful in her faithfulness and protection!! The best Mother a person can have. Ave Maria!!
Certainly Paul didn't talk about it. Neither did Peter or James.
Miracles are pointless in apologetics debates.
Here's a question, Billy...if Mary is all YOU claim she is,what need of Jesus at all? He seems superflous; since you obviously worship Mary...? I await your reply...🤨🤨🤨
@@lcringo3498 yes I agree with you, some Catholic (who are not taught enough) over-love Mary ... And by their works, they worship her unconsciously
@@rami-sep
Even when you think you are "taught enough", Mariolatry is false from the very beginning.
I like how he gives credit to Fr. Pacwa.
Lot of people try to act like they thought of it
Although Mary is the Mother of God, she is not his mother in the sense that she is older or wiser than God or the source of her Son’s divinity, for she is neither. Once you understand this, honouring, loving and respecting The Blessed Virgin Mary is easy.
@@candyclews4047 bravo
Yes 🕊✝️🙏
Jeepers I had that worked out in my 20s. I remember a colleague asking me why Catholics say Mary is the mother of God. It's the nature of Jesus God Incarnate
I actually had/have this quadrinity problem, intellectually, but I made a decision to submit to the wisdom of the Council of Ephesus of 431 AD & the Syriac traditions of the Levant itself that go all the way back to the 200s AD, until I actually can sort it out mentally I will allow the Church Fathers to ordinate my heart in the direction of the LORD on this, for the time being. So I do use the title Theotokos when talking of or to the Blessed Virgin.
Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant, Woman of Revelation, The NT Gebirah/Queen Mother and the Daughter of Zion that is why we pray for her intercession and protection because she leads you to the real Jesus of the Trinity whom we only worship alone, not to the fake zi0nist protestant Jesus. 2ND Intercessory prayers are instructed by St. Paul in1 TIMOTHY 2:1. What does EPHESIANS 6:18 says? MAKING SUPPLICATION FOR ALL THE SAINTS ! Mary is not just a saint, she is the Ark of the New Covenant, The NT Gebirah, Daughter of Zion and the woman of revelation that is why we pray for her protection and intercession.
SUPPLICATION (DEFINITION) - The action of asking or begging for something earnestly or humbly.
EPHESIANS 6:18 Praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints,
LUKE 1:28 HAIL FULL OF GRACE
ROMANS 16:6 Salute Mary, who hath laboured much among you.
PHILIPPIANS 4:21 Salute ye every saint in Christ Jesus.
Saints and angels in heaven interceding for us in REVELATION 4, 5, 6, 8.
"Mediator" is Christ alone in one sense. As intercessors all members are " mediators". according to Catholicism and Scripture:
1- The Church is the body of Christ
2- There is only one body of Christ, not one on earth and another one in heaven.
3- Death does not separate the members of the body.
4- Christians are bound by the Law of Christ to love and pray for one another.
Wow. That was just about the best breakdown I have ever heard! Succinct points, and stated so clearly.
I love being a Catholic! It brings the advantage of being the majority (in my country) while staying a rebel, and counter-cultural as well.
That seems to be a contradiction, no? If you're part of the majority culture, you can't be counter-cultural.
@@tintinismybelgian Majority in his-her country. Not so popular around the world. Makes sense to me.
For Spanish speaker. Padre Toro he is bringing people back to the church of God
Ok and this was decided at the Council of Ephesus. I don’t think most Protestants will contest this. But as you have explained using your analogy, we as parents are not the source of our children’s souls and Mary, by corollary is not the source of Jesus’ Divinity, where does she get all the special roles ascribed to her by the Catholic Church (Queen of Heaven, Co Redemptix etc)
Co-Redemptrix is a title that specifically means that Our Lady participated in the redemption of all peoples through the act of saying yes to God. That is why she was given the title and it is a lesser title than Redeemer, which is specifically Jesus.
Queen of Heaven, well you know that Jesus is from the house of David so he has right to be the king of Israel and if you look at First Kings 2:19 (When Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, the king stood up to meet her, bowed down to her and sat down on his throne. He had a throne brought for the king’s mother, and she sat down at his right hand.) You see that mother sat at the right hand of her son.
There would be no Jesus without Mary.
@@anthonyhulse1248😂Nope. There would be no Mary without Jesus.
Est-ce si difficile de comprendre que la Theotokos est au commencement de notre salut ? Et qu’elle est toujours à la droite du Christ comme devant les portes royales ! Preuve de votre peu de foi, ce manque de raison raisonnable !
Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Jesus was not denigrating his mother, he was praising her, because Mary was the perfect example of hearing the word of God and keeping it. Jesus even gives His mother an even greater honor in this passage. He is saying My mother doesn’t get a pass because of Me. She isn’t just riding my coat tails into heaven. She is My mother because she freely chose to do the will of the Father. MATTHEW 12 is clear, Jesus will call you brothers and sister in faith if you obey and submit to God's commandments, not biological brothers.
She (Mary) did this when she said… Be it done to me according to your word.
She did it again when she said… Do whatever He tells you.
Jesus would never dishonor His own mother. His mother did the will of the Father in heaven, so was a member of his family. He was teaching the higher meaning of family.
“And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it done to me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.” (Lk 1:38)
“And after the days of her purification, according to the law of Moses, were accomplished, they carried him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord:” (Lk 2:22).
“Do whatever He tells you” (Jn 2:5)
😂 sometimes I imagine what Mother Mary would do/think as she witnesses these types of conversation or debates unfold between Catholics and Christians from Heaven above.. 😊
I saw one video where they were explaining how the perpetual virginity works before, after and weirdly enough, during the birth of Jesus. These two priests just sitting around talking about Mary's hymen and how Jesus miraculously doesn't pass through her vagina. I think even all the Catholics watching it were creeped out by these dudes discussing her private parts.
I think there's a colloquial meaning of "mother of..." meaning source of, and a more technical meaning "mother of..." meaning maternal source of the human body.
I appreciate that Tim clarified the concept that a literal mother is not the cause of the whole person.
So I guess.. imo if someone says Mary is "mother of God" in the first sense, they would be incorrect. But if someone meant it in the second sense, it would be theologically accurate.
I guess perhaps there can be a further public clarification of the term, as it might be the case people are assuming the colloquial meaning (which is a natural starting point)
Luke 1:43 (D-R): 43 And whence is this to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
I'm God I don't share my glory with no one!! What part you don't understand???
Carlos Vega too bad. Yes, he does. You're missing the best part. And the whole point.
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This is Christianity boy thats the theology it runs on. Your a guy from 2020 talking like you were there a 1000 years ago.
Catholic Bible - ripped to KJV.
So much talk for a non apostolic group.
Its wise of you to learn theology both ways and then comment.
Everytime i have doubts and questions about my Catholic faith, i'll look for Tim Staples... 😁
'Every time i have doubts'
How often are you having doubts about your faith. Cut it out.
@Yon Slash You should look at the bible. Why trust this guy over the word of God.
@@wesleysimelane3423 why do you trust your Protestant pastor?
The Bible was put together by the Catholic Church and the Catholic church had the authority to interpret scripture. Individual authority to interpret scripture was never right and is why there is so many different Protestant denominations today each claiming they have the truth from scripture yet each proclaiming different truths
There is nothing to doubt ,we may not understand it but we believe
@@zacharyvandress1120 "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;" 2 Timothy 3:16, "for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God." 2 Peter 1:21, "But you shall speak My words to them whether they listen or not, for they are rebellious." Ezekiel 2:7
I'm glad I found this video because now I know how to express why I as a Catholic pray to Mary the mother of God when some of my protestens family members tell me that what I'm doing is wrong.
I'm not sure if you'll find this helpful but I felt I should respond. I'm a protestant and calling Mary the "mother of God" does not mean we should therefore pray to her. I'm not entirely sure what the argument of this video is, but giving her the title "mother of God," does not mean she intercedes for us in heaven, nor that she is to be treated as our mother. She is blessed among women, and she is the mother of my Lord, but only Christ can save us. Only His work on the cross is sufficient. Pray to the Father, by the Spirit, in the name of Christ. I encourage you to read John 14 and John 16. May God bless you. We are saved by grace alone through faith in Christ alone!
@Daniel Bonness This was an argument against the protestants (and everybody else) who think that calling her Mother of God is wrong. But the rules of language perfectly allow it
@@DBdrumz18 If that's the case, then you should not call Mary the mother of God, because you only think that she is the mother of Jesus. I believe that Mary is the adopted mother of God. Adopted by God as the mother of God when God conceived Jesus in her whom. I don't pray to Mary, I pray to our God who wants a family of people that will love Him and obey Him. And we are not saved by faith in Christ alone. Read James 2 : 24 "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.” KJV.
I’m Protestant for now, considering Eastern Orthodoxy, and have to say, just wow. I now accept Theotokos, perpetual virginity of Mary, but I’m having a hard time accepting the prayers and content of some of those prayers to Mary as one whom we put our hope in, look to for salvation, or having power to deliver us. Can someone help explain how some prayers to the Theotokos isn’t borderline blasphemy?
I’ll take a shot at defending those prayers. I admit they use strong language that can easily seem quite contrary to worshiping only God, but I believe they do not contradict any doctrine but rather enhance our love for God and His Divine Providence. Since you didn’t specify what specific prayers, I’m going to assume you’re referencing the Hail Mary and the Salve Regina. The first half of the Hail Mary is pure citation of Scripture. The second half asks for Mary’s intercession for us to God. Two reasons intercession must be possible: The Church is One Body, and the gates of hell will never prevail against the Church. Both of those statements are clear in scripture. Most Christians agree we can pray for each other here on earth. Well the gates of hell bring about death. Death cannot prevail against the Church. So if we are all one Body in the Church, I cannot reason that death would break the connection between our prayers and the prayers of the dead who are so close to God they are currently abiding in the Beatific Vision. The Salve Regina is probably the bigger issue. Mary being called the Queen comes from the Jewish background of Jesus’ time. He established a Kingdom, and of course He’s the King. Well Jewish Kingdoms also had a queen, the mother of the king. So Mary has to be the Queen of this Kingdom. She is “our life, our sweetness, and our hope,” because in God’s Divine Providence, He chose her to bring about He who gives us life, sweetness, and hope. God chose Mary to bring Jesus into this world, and Jesus is our salvation. So it follows that we can call Mary our salvation, because in God’s plan, her “fiat” or yes to Jesus brought about our salvation. Whenever we focus on Mary, it’s always to bring us to Jesus. Notice the end of the Salve Regina asks for Mary to reveal Jesus to us. That’s where the emphasis lies. Mary in and of herself is not our life, nor our sweetness, nor our hope. But when we see her, we see those things because she is the Mother of God the Son, Jesus, He who alone gives us those things. I’d recommend Brant Pitre’s “Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary.” I pray that Mary wraps you and all of us under her mantle so that we may be as close as possible in this life to Jesus, the One God who is Love Himself and brings us to the Father through the Holy Spirit.
St. John Bosco explains orthodox church :
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💖 this!
No one comes to the Father except through Jesus,
John 14:6
Yes Catholics believe that as well, but we acknowledge Mary’s prominent role in Salvation History. And it’s important to remember that the reverence for Mary is in the Catholic and Orthodox and Anglican and Lutheran churches. Also, the Church Fathers who sat at the feet of the Apostles understood Mary as the New Eve, the Ark of the
"And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints." Revelation 5:8
"And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne." Revelation 8:3,
" And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand." Revelation 8:4, John's Book of the Apocalypse
Seems so silly to me. Mary is the mother of the living Christ, who had two natures, including God, carrying Jesus. Come on! LOL Protestants just don't make sense sometimes.
😍 It was her honour. It's not like she's carrying all of God in all ways. What else did Mary do here: not give birth? How silly.
I don't know what protestants you are hanging out with 😅 most Christians I know, and myself, are protestant, and we definitely believe Mary gave birth to Jesus!
Seems silly because it is silly. She was a human being, created, mortal and with free will. God asked her if she wants to give birth to Jesus - who is the Creator of all things that exists, eternal, immortal - and she agreed. She could have said no thanks since she had free will. But she said yes and became the mother of God, not a Godess.
@Peter Cho Holy cow! That's one long unsolicited comment!
Yea, she gave birth to Jesus, and cared for him a few years, that's it, admirable, commendable, not worthy of worship though. Like AT ALL.
@Peter Cho Yea? Why don't you post a link to the cult's webpage?
After Guadalupe, Lourdes, and Fatima how can there be any doubt? What does it take?
We need to pray for their conversion.
When I first began my Catholic journey, my sponsor (who wasn’t yet my sponsor at that time) was feeding me apologetic materials from Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Larry Richards and our esteemed Mr. Staples. He even attended a Protestant-vs.-Catholic debate featuring Mr. Staples, and ended up pinch-hitting after it was determined that Mr. Staples wouldn’t make it.
I am really surprised how easily non Catholics try to discredit Catholicism as paganism, idolatry, man made etc; I was educated in very Catholic School (although not being a believer myself since childhood) and never ever I was being taught nothing against any other religion and much less Orthodoxy, Protestantim or Judaism; only historic context; and the Mass (boring for me then) have lectures of OT and NT, but never a word about to discredit others Christians or Jews
That happens because you were or stil are in the true church. It's people don't need to look to other religions because they are busy just with their religion. This other people from other religions who is insulting and judging like they are God, is because they are unsure about their religion and perhaps also jealous about Catholics and Catholic religion. That's what it looks like
Hail Mary” and portions of the “Hail, Holy Queen” are blatantly unbiblical. While the first part of the Hail Mary is almost a direct quotation from Luke 1:28, there is no scriptural basis for (1) praying to Mary, (2) addressing her as “holy,” or (3) calling her “our life” and “our hope.”
Praying the rosary involves giving attributes to Mary that the Bible never gives her. To call Mary “holy”-the Catholic Church teaches that Mary never sinned or had any taint of original sin-is not biblical. The Bible calls all believers “saints,” which can be interpreted as “holy ones,” but Scripture says that the righteousness believers have is the imputed righteousness from Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21).
@@roselaqueen3105 you couldn't be further from the truth, the Hail Mary prayer comes directly from the Gospels... Also, we only ask her to pray for us... This age old Christian divide hurts my heart... Surely we all love Christ, let's unite in what we agree and accept our differences, how about we just pray for each other as Jesus asked
@@onedayatatime7022 please give me the verses. Can't we debate or have a conversation about the things of God?? i
@@roselaqueen3105 You are doing the work of God keep going. Im thinking a reason why catholic vs protestant videos are 90% catholic is because catholics have many doubts. The holy spirit is trying to call them from their Idolatry and false worship.
I’m trying to understand Catholicism as I am growing closer to considering RCIA. I am a Protestant as of now. I can accept almost everything except for the teaching on Mary being sinless.
In Luke 1 she prays “my spirit rejoices in God my savior”
Why does a sinless person need a savior?
Also, Roman’s is clear in teaching that all have fallen short of the glory of God.
I can understand her being blessed among women, being the Mother of God, and being a person to hold in deep reverence.
Yet, nothing in scripture outlines that she never sinned to me.
I’d appreciate understanding this better.
The Bible is full of amazing holy saints. People who dedicated their lives to God. People I look up to and would expect any Christian to do the same. But none of them no matter how holy or unique ever merit the title sinless to me.
Mary was redeemed of sin before her Conception. She was born as the New Eve, completely without sin, which she preserved all of her life, unlike Eve.
@@joanhaselman444where is that in scripture?
@@AnimeStargrl15 It isn't
For the sake of the person she was to give birth to, she was saved before her birth.
She couldn't have carried God in her womb and still live under the yoke of sin. God can't dwell in firth.
She is the woman referred to as the new eve in Genesis. I will put enmity between you(satan) and the woman(Mary), between your offspring (sin which is known as the fruit of the devil) and her's ( Jesus referred to as the fruit of the womb of Mary by St Elizabeth when Mary visited her).
I hope this helps.
Think of the timeline: when Mary said that God was her savior, Jesus had not yet died on the cross. So Mary had a Savior before anyone else was redeemed by Christ. She was saved by her Savior before the crucifixion. When did this happen? I think it happened at the moment of her conception as God prepared her to be the human mother of the second person of the Trinity, so that she would never experience the stain of Original Sin. Imagine that you're looking at your cell phone and don't realize you're about to step into an open manhole. I grab your elbow and save you from falling. If I don't, then you'll fall and I'll have to save you by pulling you out of the hole. You see? You can be saved before you fall or after. Since Mary spoke of her Savior before Christ's crucifixion, we know that she was saved before! (Please also see my reply above regarding the cells of Jesus remaining in His mother.)
The Early Church Fathers had no problem referring to Mary as the Mother of GOD. Theodore of Mopsuestia... "When therefore, they ask, 'Is Mary mother of man or mother of GOD?" we answer, 'both' The one by the very nature of what was done and the other by relation".....Cyril of Alexandria...I have been amazed that some are utterly in doubt as to whether or not the holy Virgin is able to be called the mother of GOD. For if our LORD JESUS CHRIST is GOD, how should the holy Virgin who bore him not be the mother of GOD?....Gregory of Nazianz...If anyone does not agree that holy Mary is Mother of GOD, he is at odds with the GODHEAD.
She is not the source of God even if she - by God's will - gave birth to Him. She is the beholder of God not the creator of God. To say the Mary is God (goddess I guess) is heresy also the imaculata conceptione but I digress.
She was a special vessel chosen by God, she had the original sin, but the Holy Spirit made her clean to be able to receive Him in her womb. She was, is and ever be Virgin but not God.
As Jesus always existed, long before Mary ever existed and Jesus said: before Abraham was, I Am.
În conclusion: she is the mother of Jesus our Lord and God but not His source since she is a creature and He is the Creator. I hope I was clear enough.
God bless you!
@@patriciasiadonai4670 Hi Patricia, thanks for the reply. I'll think it all through again. By the way I did not say that Mary is GOD ( goddess), she is a creature, GOD's greatest creation. We honour her and ask her to pray for us. GOD bless!
@@patriciasiadonai4670 if you consider Jesus to be God who came to Earth then Mary was the mother of God
@@zacharyvandress1120 Jesus existed before mary, so mary isn't the mother of God. Jesus as a man came after mary so she is the mother of Jesus but not God.
@@justaguy7131 you are correct Jesus existed before mary but when he came to Earth and was born the two Natures were together not separate.. In other words he was fully God and fully man the church knowing this and with authority called Mary the Mother of God meaning the mother of God made man on Earth not what you're implying
As a Protestant myself, I have no problem accepting that the Blessed Virgin Mary is the mother of God. My problem is in the way Roman Catholics almost seem to worship the saints and pray to them.
Veneration of the Saints
Joshua 5:14 Joshua fell prostrate in worship before the angel.
Daniel 8:17 Daniel fell prostrate in terror before Gabriel.
Tobit 12:16 Tobiah and Tobit fall to the ground before Raphael.
Matthew 18:10 The angels in Heaven are always before the face of God.
We venerate angels because of their great dignity, which comes from their union with God. Saints are also in united with God. Veneration nor honor is worship.
Catholics worship [God|Jesus] alone.
Hebrews 13:7 Remember your leaders, who preached the word of God to you, and as you reflect on the outcome of their lives, take their faith as your model.1 Thessalonians 1:5-8 You become an example to all believers.
This is what Saints are for Catholics and all mankind: Examples of holiness to live by
1 John 3:2 We shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
The Bible reveals that the saints who have died aren’t disconnected from and uninterested in those who are alive on earth
Old Testament Example:
Jeremiah 15:1-Long after their deaths, Moses and Samuel are depicted pleading for the Israelite people on earth
New Testament Examples
Revelation 8:3 - The prayers of the saints rise up before God, and then God acts on earth.
John 15 - “I am the vine, and you are the branches.”
St. Paul - We are the “body of Christ.” It doesn’t make sense that death would rupture this bond.
Hebrews 12:1 - The saints are a “cloud of witnesses”
Intercession for Others Isn’t Optional for Christians
Love of God and love of neighbor go hand in hand. The saints are our neighbors and our brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ. When we grow in fellowship with our fellow Christians, we grow in fellowship with Christ. This is the vision of the Church that the New Testament gives to us.
2 Corinthians 1:11-St. Paul commands the Christians in Corinth to pray for him.
1 Timothy 2:1-Timothy commands the Christians to pray for each other.
Jesus means GOD SAVES or GOD THE SAVIOR in Hebrew, that is why Mary is the mother of GOD THE SAVIOR. He is also called "IMMANUEL" in the Book of Isaiah 7:14 meaning GOD WITH US in Hebrew, this is why Mary is the true mother of God ! God chose to have a mother in the bubble of space and time, God humbled himself to the world, men and angels. PHIL 2:6-8 ; HEB 2:9
PHILIPPIANS 2:6-8 6 Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men, and in habit found as a man. 8 He humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, even to the death of the cross.
HEBREWS 2:9 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour: that, through the grace of God, he might taste death for all.
Jesus is God ! The Trinity is inseparable. God chose to have a mother read LUKE 1 ! Are you making Elizabeth a liar when she said that Jesus is His Lord in LUKE 1:43 when she met Mary was about to approach her ? LUKE 1:43 [ And whence is this to me, that THE MOTHER OF MY LORD should come to me? ]
The Lord Jesus Christ has a mother and He is God, so the Lord God Jesus Christ has a mother. When the Lord Jesus Christ was born by Mary, He is no longer simply Jesus as God, but rather, He became Jesus as God who became Man (JOHN 1:14) or Jesus as God who was manifested in the flesh (1 TIMOTHY 3:16).
Jesus as God who became Man or Jesus as God who was manifested in the flesh has to have a mother, for otherwise, how will Jesus as God become Man or manifest in the flesh if He has no mother?
And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: and she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among WOMEN, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the MOTHER OF MY LORD should come to me? (LUKE 1:41-43)
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. (1 CORINTHIANS 12:3-5)
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. (DEUTERONOMY 6:4-5)
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. (1 CORINTHIANS 8:6 )
And Thomas answered and said unto him, MY LORD AND MY GOD. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. (JOHN 20:28-29)
(DEUTERONOMY 10:17) For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward
LUKE 1:43 REFERS TO THE JESUS WHO IS THE LORD, MEANING THE GREATEST AND THE HIGHEST OF ALL LORDS. THE SUPREME AUTHORITY OVER ALL:
REVELATION 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
1 TIMOTHY 6:14-15 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords
REVELATION 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
PHILIPPIANS 2:10-11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
It preserves the history of the faith, I guess. Catholics pray to them, do not worship them. It is like an inspiration. But there is a lot of danger in it, or blindly believing in apparitions. New Age people fall into the demonic by talking to their dead „relatives“, which can only be disembodied spirits. What is special about Mary for sure, is that she was unconditionally aligned with the will of God. Never rebelled, unlike even the greatest prophets.
exactly the same with me. Thats my problem also.
Its to much that worship
Each time I pray Hail Mary, I want to cry because I know I am deeply loved. ❤❤❤
cry rather that you are deeply deceived. I can say though that Jesus deeply loves you that is why He endured the cross for you.
@@7ruijorgeLuke 2:35
"And Thy own Soul a sword shall pierce, that, out of many hearts, thoughts may be revealed."
Notice how the piercing of Mary’s Soul reveals the “thoughts of the many hearts.”
THE WAY A PERSON SPEAKS OF THE BLESSED VIRGIN REVEALS THEIR HEART.
Show me someone who has a very gentle and respectful appreciation for Mary’s suffering, I’ll show you a very holy person.
Show me someone who denigrates Mary and says, “Yeah, but she ain’t special or anything,” and I’ll show you a BITTER and LOST person.
"That thoughts out of many hearts may be revealed.”
⚜️AVE MARIA
@@7ruijorgeThe Catholic Church was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly-guided, as He promised, by the Holy Spirit until the end of the world (see John 14:25, 16:13). The mere fact that the Church teaches that something definitely true is a guarantee that it is true (see Luke 10:16).
@@SonicSnakeRecords Incorrect. What Christ and His apostles taught is the truth. The Roman Catholic church deviates from the Scriptures. The Church/bride of Christ is the body of true believers, its not confined to a building or organisation. For example, did Jesus die once and for all sin or must you atone for your sin in purgatory. Did Mary have sin (as the Scripture shows) or was she immaculately conceived as the catholic church teaches. These are not reconcilable..... you must choose between your tradition or the Truth of Scripture. I choose Gods Word.
@@SonicSnakeRecords You reading things into the text regarding Mary that are not in Scripture. Worshipping Mary is idolatry and just as Jesus said to the people that Moses would be the one to judge them for they claimed to follow Moses, similarly, Mary on judgement day will judge you and tell you why didnt you give all adoration to Jesus.
1. I have never heard any Protestant/Christian deny Mary is the mother of Jesus. This whole discussion is based on an argument that Protestants don't believe that, and that's not even a thing. Ofcourse we do, we just don't glorify Mary because we believe all the glory, worship and prayer is due ONLY to God. A request He Himself made to us through the Word.
2. Even if this issue was real among Protestants: Sorry, I am now even more convinced of the idolatry practiced in Catholicism with this video.
Mary is blessed among women. Mary is the mother of Jesus, and that has to be respected. I agree.
But praying to her is unbiblical. And when I say unbiblical, I mean anti- biblical, against what the Bible teaches. Worshiping/praying to/glorifying anyone other than God (the Trinity) is unbiblical. Doing and teaching these things is straight up going against the Word of God.
Protestants disagree with Catholics for a whole lot of reasons. The worship and praying to the dead saints including Mary, is just one of them. The theology of the Gospel is wrong, when works you do here on earth dictate the status of your salvation. The images that aren't just made, but built into statues and Catholics bown down before them and often also build altars of candles around them. Yikes!The existance of the Pope, the existance of purgatory. The meaning of baptism...
It's not that Protestants don't have church traditions. It's just that we strongly believe no tradition in the church can be AGAINST the Word of God. And because the Catholic church has and does MANY traditions that are not in line with the Word of God, that is the reason most Protestants stay away from Catholic churches. Out if respect to and fear of our holy God.
One day we will all stand before God and will have to give an account of our actions, words and thoughts. I ask you this, will you be able to tell Him that you deliberately chose to ignore His commandments and teachings in the Word for the sake of the teachings of some man made king dressed up in white (the Pope)? Will you be able to play this video and say these arguments straight to His face? Will you be able to justify your actions of worshiping, kneeling down and praying to/before statues of other beings in creation? Will you be able to justify praying to dead humans? Are you able to say this straight to Jesus' face, God, the person who died for you in one of the most painful and horrible ways possible?
I know I will have to rely on what His Word thought me. And I am sure I will be wrong on allot of things, flawed as I am. But I will rely on His mercy, His grace for my salvation and place in His Kingdom. Not my 'good deeds' and or practice of man made traditions that go against His Word.
Can you Imagine standing before Jesus saying: "Well Mary carried you for nine months, birth you and raised you into this world. You are God, therefore she is the Mother of God, Mother of you. Therefore I pray to her" *finger snaps*.
Good luck with that.
Im not a Catholic, but I can tell you, as a fair-minded person, you misunderstand virtually every point of catholic doctrine you speak of here. Im not being mean, Im just saying, to properly critique someone's belief, you have to properly understand it. For example, asking for the intercession of Mary is not based on her being Mother of God. It is based on the doctrine of Communion of the Saints, the belief that all believers, living and deceased, are united and alive in Christ. This is a very ancient belief, it is even in the Apostles Creed. Scripturally, its evidenced by the fact that Jesus said that those who believe in him have "eternal life", and that "though they die, they will live" and "God is God of the living, not the dead." Several other verses too. If those who pass in Christ are alive, and we are "surrounded by a cloud of witnesses" who want to see us succeed as our brothers and sisters in Christ, Catholics ask them to pray for them just as you would ask a faithful brother at church to pray for you. When considering who one should ask for prayer, Mary is top of the list. As the mother of Christ, she is was particularly close to Jesus, and her intercession is greatly desired. So if you want to defeat the idea of intercession of Mary, you need to defeat the doctrine of communion of the saints, which has a strong scriptural basis and long history in the church. That is why, as far as the span of church history is concerned, the protestant perspective is both novel and innovative as a doctrine. And to be clear, they are not "praying to" the saints, they are asking for the saint's prayers to God on their behalf. Only God answers prayers for Catholics. Again, Im not a catholic, I just want you to be fair in your critique.
Wrong, Jesus means GOD SAVES in Hebrew. Mary is the MOTHER of the LORD (LUKE 1:43), therefore Mary is the Mother of the LORD GOD. Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant, the Gebirah-Queen Mother, Woman of Revelation and the Daughter of Zion that is why we pray for her intercession and protection because she leads you to the real Jesus of the Trinity not false protestant zi0nist jesus. Our Lady of Guadalupe converted and baptized the new world because Mary is the most powerful intercessor among the saints. 2ND Intercessory prayers are instructed by St. Paul in 1 TIMOTHY 2:1. What does EPHESIANS 6:18 says? MAKING SUPPLICATION FOR ALL THE SAINTS ! Mary is not just a saint, she is the Ark of the New Covenant, The NT Gebirah, Daughter of Zion and the woman of revelation that is why we pray for her protection and intercession.
SUPPLICATION (DEFINITION) - The action of asking or begging for something earnestly or humbly.
EPHESIANS 6:18 Praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints,
LUKE 1:28 HAIL FULL OF GRACE
ROMANS 16:6 Salute Mary, who hath laboured much among you.
Saints and angels in heaven interceding for us in REVELATION 4, 5, 6, 8.
"Mediator" is Christ alone in one sense. As intercessors all members are " mediators". according to Catholicism and Scripture:
1- The Church is the body of Christ
2- There is only one body of Christ, not one on earth and another one in heaven.
3- Death does not separate the members of the body.
4- Christians are bound by the Law of Christ to love and pray for one another.
@@alfray1072Jesus does not mean God saves in Hebrew. The word of God said Jesus means HE shall save His people from their sins. It never said God
The above comment is correct and you are wrong just like the simpletons In this channel THAT DO NOT HAVE THE HOLY GHOST IN then to discern and comprehend the word of Christ
Mary can not be the MOTHER OF GOD since HE CREATED HER
THIS IS so stupid. A elementary student could understand.
I think that probably the most significant divide between Protestants and Catholics, though, is just what is implied by the phrase 'Mary, mother of God' because nowhere in the Scriptures is that ever once implied. Instead, it reads 'Mary, mother of Jesus'. Now, I might also offer that in the Gospel of John (and it is only mentioned once in the entire Scriptures) it records the following text:
'So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, "I am the bread that came down from heaven." They said, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he know say, "I have come down from heaven?"'
- John 6:41-42
Jesus is referred to as the 'son of Joseph' is he not? I think oftentimes that many Catholics get so enthused and caught up in the Catholic Doctrine of Mariology that they are then quick to discount that both Joseph and Mary were merely the earthly parents of Messiah. Nothing more and nothing less. Because when you begin to attribute what I considered to be IMHO unbiblical doctrines like the Immaculate Conception and the Perpetual Virginity to the mother of Jesus we risk attributing to her such lofty and one could argue 'divine' traits as were otherwise never at all to be attributed to her.
Thus, I simply offer the following inquiries to those of the Catholic worldview:
1. Why is it so imperative and necessary that Mary herself would therefore be conceived in her own mother's womb without sin (the doctrine of Immaculate Conception)?
Or do you not yet realize that the mother's blood runs alongside the placenta, and the nutrients needed by the baby are absorbed and transferred to the baby?
All the baby's blood is contained within the baby and placenta. Therefore, the placenta protects the mother and fetus. The placenta acts as an exchange surface between the mother and the fetus.
A membrane separates baby's blood and mother's blood.
Nutrients and oxygen are passed over by diffusion only. If the mother's and fetus blood mixed, it could be deadly for both of them.
As such, Jesus's blood would have never even mixed or come in contact with Mary's own blood.
If Jesus's blood is perfect and untainted by sin then there would be no need for Mary to conceive him in an 'immaculate' state. And if Jesus also touched and healed lepers then clearly merely touching her earthly son would also not pollute his divine nature and being, either.
2. Why is it equally so imperative and necessary that Mary herself would therefore need to remain a virgin for the rest of her life? Why would God allow the marriage to remain intact while simultaneously forbidding Joseph from executing his duty as a husband to his wife and vice versa? This doctrine probably bothers me the most because it is almost as if it was considered to be wholly anathema to the Catholic Church for even the mere thought of Mary and Joseph having sex together to ever enter in the minds of Christian men and women. Yet, to sentence Joseph and Mary, husband and wife, one flesh, to a lifetime of perpetual celibacy while still living under the same roof--- to go about their daily lives as husband and wife doing everything but showing any type of affection for each other--- that seems to defy both logic and good common sense, yes.
Does this mean that God no longer allowed them to hug... to kiss... to even sleep in the same bed???
Did they therefore sleep in separate beds in the same room, perhaps, not even in the same room? Did they have to undress and bathe in separate rooms, as well? Perhaps, Joseph silently divorced Mary, instead?
Look, could any husband or wife reading this truly, truly live such a life as 'husband and wife' while being consequently forbidden to be "naked and unafraid" in each other's presence? What then would be the purpose of their marriage and the marriage of Joseph and Mary??? Celibacy is one thing in and of itself, yes, but to expect, nay, command that a husband and wife commit to a lifetime of refrainment from any type of physical affection towards one another, how is that even normal? How can that even be considered 'marriage'? That to me is just far, far too much legalism and worse yet--- an unhealthy aversion towards an otherwise natural, beautiful, and God-bestowed gift of sexual intimacy between man and woman, husband and wife.
And that's just two of the four doctrines of Mariology that will continue to keep me from ever fully embracing the Catholic Church as a personal preference of location to attend any kind of formal religious service, yes.
Was this not already discussed and resolved back in 431AD at the Council of Ephesus? Why revisit.
Through the prayers of the Theotokos, Savior save us.
Don't be deceived!
Let Jesus answer the question of who His mother is.
[Mat 12:49-50 NKJV]
49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, "Here are My mother and My brothers!
50 "For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother."
My concern with calling Mary the mother of God is what it potentially could imply without ample explanation. In the sense that she gave birth to Jesus who is God, yes, absolutely. However, what is massively important for us to communicate is that her existence was preceded by Christ's and that as she was giving birth to Him, her existence, like everything, was being held together by her holy Son. So my concern is not in the doctrine rightly explained, but in the doctrine easily misunderstood. And this misunderstanding is easily avoided by saying that she was Jesus' earthly mother. So that is how I refer to her.
I feel like that’s kinda down playing Jesus’ Divine nature though.
@@aileenbordelon7884 To say she is Jesus' earthly mother?
Zach Davenport yeah, I feel like that implies that she was only the mother to His human nature which also implies that Christ isn’t fully human and fully Divine
@@aileenbordelon7884 I see the concern. But I can't think of a better way to address her that makes clear that she is far after Christ in both chronology and authority. I'm definitely open to suggestions though.
If your mother deserves respect. So does the mother of Jesus/God as well. Silly to see people refute this theology. You want the scriptures and most of your theological principles from catholicism. But ignore other things.
Why would people want to believe in a non apostolic line theology when these kind of things were well discussed during early church days dating back to 300-400 AD. Its just that people these days want answers that can please them even if its okay to dilute the authenticity of the religion.
This entire discussion should be ended simply by quoting St Elizabeth in St Luke’s gospel who not only proclaims Mary as “the mother of [her] Lord”, but her words come immediately after the text says that Elizabeth was speaking while filled with the Holy Spirit.
Even this year, I have pointed this out to many evangelicals, and many have said, point blank, that Elizabeth was still wrong.
If you can get these so-called “Bible Christians” to say that scripture is wrong, then the discussion is over. Period. Full stop.
Hahaha
While saying they’re just following the Bible!
Your point is pretty foggy. Lord (kurious) can mean master or Lord. Not God. Mother of the Messiah, OK but you're stretching it way too far to imply that Elizabeth was confessing Jesus' deity. Sure Christ was the Son of God but I don't think Elizabeth fully understood that. Scripture is not wrong just your skewed interpretation of it.
Is there any passage where Mary is called explicitly the mother of anyone apart from Jesus?, if not, it would be that her marriage with Joseph were of those biblically accepted as valid with a vow of virginity (being that in accordance with Mary's "how can it be if I don't know man"... like a decision already taken); marriage is valid if the husband is aware of and accepted it
Luke 1:43
I don't really get what you are saying...Mary had Jesus then she married Joseph and had more children Mark 3 v 31-32.
and cf Numbers 30:3-7, if you accept the tradition associated with the Protoevangelium of James.
Mary is the mother of the Son, daughter of the Father and spouse of the Holy Spirit✨🙏🏻✨
And we are blessed to have Her as our Heavenly Mother 💖
✨Tota Tua ego sum Mariae, et omnia mea Tua sunt✨
our lady of trifontane👆
Was the WORD our Saviour, and was He around before Mary was born,if so then not His eternal Mother
@@regcaughey4307 He created her and chose her to be His mother. He could simply appear as a full grown man but He chose not to. In this same video is the answer to what you said. Obviously no mother creates the soul/spirit of her son or daughter. She is the mother of His body but no son goes around saying to his mother "I love you mother of my body" even though we know our mothers gave birth to our bodies. God created our souls.
@@Krafanio Right. I like to think of Mary as the adopted mother of God. Adopted as the mother of God when God conceived Jesus in her whom.
What Tim Staples leaves out is that Jesus is referred to the 2nd Adam and the son of man, that is who Mary gave birth to, basically the Flesh, man is Flesh. Jesus as the Son of God always existed before time and creation, Jesus is God. Mary a person can say when she gave birth to Jesus the Son of God, just "CLOTHED" Jesus in human Flesh. Jesus as the Son of God and is God just used Mary as a portal to come into the world and "CLOTHED" in human Flesh. To call Mary the mother of God is Aposotasy and Heretical.....The RCC should just call Mary the "mother of the 2nd Adam" (Human Flesh Chlothing), or even call Mary the "mother of the son of man". Mary just Clothed God with Flesh is all it is. Jesus is also called the "Last Adam", for the Last Adam to come into the world has to be through natural child birth. Mary like all humans are from the First Adam and like the first Adam........ all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God, Even Mary would be of sin, who contrbuted the Fleshly clothing for Jesus who is God.
The Apostle Paul tells us in his first letter to the church in Corinth, “The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven” (1 Corinthians 15:45-49).
Paul is here pointing out the difference between two kinds of bodies, i.e., the natural and the spiritual. Genesis 2:7 speaks of the first man, Adam, becoming a living person. Adam was made from the dust of the ground and given the breath of life from God. Every human being since that time shares the same characteristics. However, the last Adam or the “second Adam”-that is, Christ-is a life-giving Spirit. Just as Adam was the first of the human race, so Christ is the first of those who will be raised from the dead to eternal life. Because Christ rose from the dead, He is “a life-giving spirit” who entered into a new form of existence. He is the source of the spiritual life that will result in believers' resurrection. Christ’s new glorified human body now suits His new, glorified, spiritual life-just as Adam’s human body was suitable to his natural life. When believers are resurrected, God will give them transformed, eternal bodies suited to eternal life.
Paul tells us in verse 46 that the natural came first and after that the spiritual. People have natural life first; that is, they are born into this earth and live here. Only from there do they then obtain spiritual life. Paul is telling us that the natural man, Adam, came first on this earth and was made from the dust of the earth. While it is true that Christ has existed from eternity past, He is here called the second man or second Adam because He came from heaven to earth many years after Adam. Christ came as a human baby with a body like all other humans, but He did not originate from the dust of the earth as had Adam. He “came from heaven.”
Then Paul goes on: “As was the earthly man [Adam], so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven [Christ], so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven” (1 Corinthians 15:48-49). Because all humanity is bound up with Adam, so every human being has an earthly body just like Adam’s. Earthly bodies are fitted for life on this earth, yet they are limited by death, disease, and weakness because of sin which we’ve seen was first brought into the world by Adam.
However, the good news is that believers can know with certainty that their heavenly bodies will be just like Christ’s-imperishable, eternal, glorious, and filled with power. At this time, all are like Adam; one day, all believers will be like Christ (Philippians 3:21). The Apostle John wrote to the believers, “Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is” (1 John 3:2).
In ordinary language we mean ‘the Father’ when we say “God”; not the Trinity, not the Son, even as we do not deny divinity to either. This has caused many to hear the term “Mother of God” as one intending to fête her as the Mother of the Trinity. In addition, it has been wrongly thought that this title is the product of overzealousness, meant to raise Mary to a status superior to God. In fact, the title was not applied to elevate Mary, but to protect the Homoousion dogma that insists that our Lord is the same in essence, in being with God the Father. Saint Athanasius is recalled as an assiduous defender of the full divinity and full humanity of Christ in His hypostatic union. In addition to the Arian heresy, which denied that Jesus is equal with the Father, there were some fourteen more heresies disputing the Church’s insistence that in Christ one person subsists in two natures, the Divine and the human-some claiming he was all-God and others that he was totally human, and all shades in between. Athanasius employed the term Mother of God to show that Mary was not only mother of the Man but of the entire Man, God included.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!
4:57 That's modalism, Patrick!
I love ❤️ you mamà Mary .
Yep, Mary........unfathomable power 💜✝️💜
What power, exactly?
@@loremaster234 leading everyone to her Son
@@yeaRightAJ Bible verse please?
@@kevinkane9446 vocal and tradition , sola scriptura ,what bible verse PLEASE .
@@ronaldeglewski3073 I'll answer your question when you answer mine.
Why Jesus would say John behold your mother, given that John has his mother living and around? Why Jesus could say Mary behold your son if she 'had' other children (not at all) or family? Here he gave her the title of spiritual Mother of us surpassing Eve
My step mom asked why we Catholics “worship” Mary. My step mom and I had always had a great relationship so I took her question in good faith and thought she was opened to a conversation. I tried to explain the Catholic position, going out of my way not to insult Protestants. But, before I could even finish she started cussing me out and calling me all manner of names. In 29 years it was my first argument with her and I still can’t believe it happened.
Emily Wallace , Yes it’s just like a “.trigger” being pulled when Mary’s name is mentioned. These people just cannot understand, that we as Catholics love Mary, she is our Mother, we are Family. We certainly don’t worship her, but will Always love the Mother of our Lord. God Bless you and your loved ones.
We don't worship Mary, we venerate her. We worship God, the Holy Trinity & ask for Mary's intercession. I'm Armenian Orthodox..
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent ... When they can't argue, they get like that
Satan really hates Mary because she humbly said yes to Christ... And will always humbly serve him.. that is why there is so much hate against her... It is really tough...I want to give you a big hug😟 it is sad that so many don't realise that they have such a loving mother😍
@@onedayatatime7022 There is no hate against Mary. There is much hate towards the lies of the RCC and what you have elevated Mary to. You catholics; if no-one bends to your lies and shows you the truth, " YOU HATE MARY"...lol
Κυριε Ιησού Χριστέ ελέησον με τον αμαρτωλόν! LORD JESUS CHRIST HAVE MERCY FOR me the sinner!
Yπεραγία ΘΕΟΤΟΚΕ σώσον ημάς!!! HOLY THEOTOKOS save us siners!✝️☦️❤️🧔🇬🇷🇷🇺🇷🇸🇨🇾🇬🇪🇲🇩🇧🇬🇱🇧
Blasphemy! Jesus saves, not mary. Acts 4:12
@@ContendingEarnestly Thats a preyer for us the Orthodox Christians☦️
@@VHOS-db1td Uh huh. Do you believe it? You have two prayers listed. In one you ask Jesus for mercy. In the other you ask mary to save you. Thats a problem no matter what religion youre in. Mary doesn't save. Have you read acts 4:12? If not, here it is;
Acts 4:12
12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved." NASB
And that name isn't mary.
@@ContendingEarnestly Are you Orthodox(Ορθοδοξία =ορθή πίστη)?We belive that "Mary" is not simple Mary but Theotokos Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ,(Θεοτοκος=greek meaning the one who gives birth God)
Amen.
That is some devastating stuff! Keep er' goin!
lol
Over the top? ... the top has no end.... full of graces is ever over the top. I loved Mary from Birth... maybe conception ?
Can someone help me out? In the Litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary when we pray the Holy Rosary, there is one title to Our blessed Mother that I can't understand theologically, which is "Mother of Our Creator." I believe that Mary is the mother of God, as referring to Our Lord Jesus Christ ("Mother of Our Savior"). But, is not Creator referring to God the Father, Whom the Blessed Virgin cannot be the mother of?
Thanks to whomever replies!
i would like more details also from more knowlagble people but i think its linked to how the trinity is linked and time is not ours, for example my mom could be praying to st pio for me, and pio might have offered a mass for me back 100 years ago and the grace of that pray is just now working.
www.cardinaljohnhenrynewman.com/mary-mother-of-the-creator/
We believe that God, Jesus and Holy Spirit are the same, Mary is mother of Jesus ( God ) in this earth so she is mother of the creator too. Saint Agustine said... is easier to put all the ocean inside a shell than understand the mistery of the trinity. 🤷♀️
@@mmmendoza1821 Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are of the same nature. I'm nitpicking but I agree with you, friend.
I will have to disagree with the previous writer who said all three "are the same." That would be Modalism. However, though God the Father is Creator principally, all three persons are Creator, as they were all indispensably involved in the Creation of the world. Therefore, all Three Persons are called Creator. All creation and grace are from the Father, through the Son, by the Spirit.
"Through Him all things were made" from the Nicene Creed and...
John 1:3
[3]All things were made through Him, and nothing that was made was made without Him.
The Holy Spirit is "the Lord, the Giver of Life" and...
Genesis 1:2-3
[2]But the earth was empty and unoccupied, and darknesses were over the face of the abyss; and so the Spirit of God was brought over the waters.
[3]And God said, "Let there be light." And light became.
First, as an evangelical, let me say "I Love my Catholic Brothers and Sisters!!!". Truly do.
What I still haven't gotten a sufficient answer to, regarding Mary, is why would there be specific mention AND instruction regarding the Eucharist ("take and eat" "do this in remembrance of me") , as well as Baptism (Go and baptize and make disciples of all nations") and yet there is literally not one word on, nor any mention or instruction on any spiritual actions regarding Mary.
There isn't one single word from Jesus, any of the 12 Disciples, Mark, Luke, Timothy, Jude, James, or Paul that mentions Mary and instructions on honoring her, praying to her, etc. None. Literally. I find it inconceivable that you would have mention and instruction by numerous Biblical sources on Communion and Baptism, yet something as important (to Catholics) as Mary is literally has not one single word about her, the importance of her, that you should have a relationship with her, or that she was even important in any way for the early church. Zero mention. Not a single word in the Bible from Jesus, any of the12 Disciples, Mark, Luke, Timothy, Jude, James or Paul about Mary and any of the practices concerning Mary that the Catholic church hold today. Just read that last sentence out loud and truly think about why that is.
Every single other important practice that a Christian holds dear is mentioned by either Jesus, the 12, Mark, Luke, Timothy, Jude, James or Paul. The Eucharist, Baptism, instructions on Prayer, instructions to meet, evangelism, giving, serving the poor, etc are all found in the Bible....yet NOT ONE SINGLE WORD on instructions about Mary or even a mention of her outside of interactions Christ had with her. How does one reconcile that without just admitting that what they believe about Mary is simply accepting, and accepting blindly, the teaching regarding praying to Mary and her role in heaven or redemption?
We love you too, What precisely does Mary give to Jesus in her act of motherhood? First of all, Mary did not give Jesus his divine nature, nor did Mary give Jesus his divine personhood. Both of these divine aspects of Jesus Christ existed from all eternity. However, “when in the fullness of time, God sent his Son, born of a woman” (Gal 4:4), Mary gave to Jesus a human nature identical to her own.
Now, Mary is a creature. She is not God. Therefore, true devotion to Mary does not involve giving her adoration. Then what kind of honor and devotion should be given to Mary? Some may say, “None! Only God should be honored!” But they’re wrong. God himself commands us to honor our parents, and it’s a good thing to recognize and esteem those who demonstrate a particular excellence, such as courage or valor on the battlefield or extraordinary holiness of life. The kind of recognition or esteem that is given to creatures is called veneration, or in the classical language of theology, dulia. Of course, we shouldn’t adore our parents, heroic soldiers, or saints, but we should esteem and respect them, showing them some degree of veneration (dulia).
Its in the Bible. If anyone really wants to understand Jesus as King, Mary as Queen Mother, the Kingdom of God, the Catholic Church and teachings listen to this free Catholic Bible audio series catholicboard.com/
@@rooforlife First I would lovingly ask my Catholic Brothers and Sisters "Have you read the Bible? Like actually read it and searched out what it says?" Have you read it cover to cover? I have read the OT 4 times through. I have read the NT 5 times through. It absolutely IS NOT in the Bible. There isn't one single line of instruction from Jesus, The 12 Disciples, Luke, Mark, James, Jude or Paul that mentions any Instruction or practice regarding Mary. No line from Paul encouraging the early church to remember the "Queen Mother" or to have a relationship with her. There is nothing, that teaches or even mentions most of the "Doctrine of Mary" that the Catholic church does today.
Now contrast that with the Eucharist. You literally have multiple direct mentions in the Bible, most importantly God Himself, say here is what the Eucharist is. Go and do this in remembrance of me. With Baptism, you have God Himself get baptized and instruct his disciples to go and make disciples and baptize them. After listening to the apologetics of Mary from the Bible it is incredibly weak. All I have heard is taking random verses that clearly are not specific or instructional and then reverse engineering the doctrines one believes about Mary.
For instance, to take Gen 3:15 and infer what Catholics believe about Mary because it says there will be "Enmity" between you and the woman" is a massive stretch. You don't build a doctrine on a single line of scripture as vague as that. Furthermore, I have also heard Catholics mention Christ's words to Mary at the wedding in Cana referring to Mary as "woman" meaning that is proof that Christ is saying Mary is "THE Woman". Again massive massive leap. Calling Mary the second Ark (which I believe) is also misconstrued. What was the Ark, but a place where God's presence dwelt and where the 10 commandments (the Law), Arron's staff (priesthood), and Manna (eucharist) dwelt. Jews honored the Ark because but didn't pray to it or seek a relationship with it. Also, the reference to Mary in the book of Revelation. For sure it is her, but one cannot say "this is exactly what this verse means" in regards to Mary and her role.
@@rooforlife I would Lovingly encourage you to be as neutral of a 3rd party as you can be and actually read the OT and NT cover to cover and see where any doctrine or direct teaching about Mary exists. Don't read into verses....just simply where does it say exactly who Mary is and how one should interact with her. You will find direct instruction on virtually every single Christian doctrine, but not on Mary.
Also, to clarify, here is what I absolutely DO believe about Mary. I believe we evangelicals have completely ignored her. I believe we have thought too little about her. I believe she is most Blessed of women (how could she not when she bore God in her womb). I believe she is the "Mother of God" by sheer logic. I believe she could have been assumed (there is Biblical precedent for such an act with Enoch and Elijah). I don't think that she was perpetually a virgin (although not willing to die on that hill). She could have been though. What I find completely outside of not just Scripture but the Biblical framework of Judaism and Christianity entirely is the thought that anyone could be sinless or that anyone should pray to or have a relationship with anyone other than God Himself. Zero reference to that possibility anywhere in the Bible (other than the Son of God himself). Completely outside of Jewish or Biblical thought.
To understand who Mary is, let's have a look at the prefigurations :
- Mary is the new arch of the new covenant
- Mary is the new queen mother as her son is king
- Mary is the new Eve, new woman of the new creation
- Mary is the new Rachel, intercessor and mother of all the people
And remember, accomplishments are always better than prefigurations
Peace
Have you read B Pitre ? :-)
@@quidam3810 How did you recognize :) I knew it was not a good idea to mention Rachel!
Thanks so much to Dr Pitre!
For the ones that would like to have a look before buying
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@@davidaimer314 yes, Rachel gave you away ;-). I've seen her as a type of Mary only in Pitre, so far (not that i read thousands of books though ;-). ). But i find Pitre's particularly good. The second would be Scott Hahn's, for me...
@@quidam3810 Yes definitely wee need them. Thanks to protestantism that gave us talented people like Scott Hann, Marcus Grodi et Steve Ray. Here are some of the best videos that openend my eyes :
The Forerunners of the Reformation - with Dr Scott Hahn
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Church History: Complete Documentary AD 33 to Present. Question : what is the faith reality in year 500?
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Peter, the Rock, the Keys, and the Chair - Steve Ray
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What Must I Do to Be Saved? - Marcus Grodi
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@@daddada2984 Pease look at those 3 and let us know what is not biblical.
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I'm a Catholic, have carefully studied Marian teachings, have a devotion to Mary, and have had a practice of saying the rosary. But sorry, I cannot agree that such devotion to Mary or saying the rosary brings me closer to a devotion to Jesus. I understand the theory of why it should, but the results don't match the theory. Catholic apologists spend so much energy trying to justify Marian devotion as being absolutely necessary to the practice of authentic Christianity and endeavoring to show how protestants are absolutely in error. But the experience of millions of protestants over many centuries (and, I would add, ever single Christian mentioned in the NT) of deep devotion to Jesus surely shows that Marian devotion isn't necessary.
Do you think Jesus loved his mother? Do you think Jesus honored his mother? Do you believe Jesus is God? If Jesus loved and honored his mother, don't you think we should?
I have a strong Marian devotion myself and I'll have to say I've had the opposite experience as yourself. The Holy Rosary revolves around the life of our Lord, it's a meditation on His life accompanied with our Lady.
But not everyone is called to this devotion, which is fine. No one should force themselves to devote themselves to something that isn't beneficial to themselves though they ought to believe the Marian dogmas if anything than for her singular unique relationship to our Lord.
God love you!
Joe, I appreciate your honesty.
I dont buy you saying you pray the Rosary. GOD SAID BE HONEST AND LYING WILL BRING YOU TO HELL!
Thank you Jesus for giving us The Virgin Mary to be our good Mother
@barelyillegal nobody asked. You potty
@barelyillegal2866The Catholic Church was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly-guided, as he promised, by the Holy Spirit until the end of the world (see John 14:25, 16:13). The mere fact that the Church teaches that something definitely true is a guarantee that it is true (see Luke 10:16).
Jesus has given us his Blessed Mother as our great Spiritual Mother (Rev.12:17), a Heavenly Advocate who intercedes for us.
At the foot of the Cross.
John 19:26-27
When Jesus saw His Mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, He said to Her, “Woman, here is your son,”
and to the disciple, “Here is your Mother.” From that time on, this disciple took Her into his home.
@barelyillegal2866 The woman in Revelation 12 can also be interpreted as Israel or the Church but anyway you slice it Mary is a part of both and it clearly says in verse 4:
"4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born."
Only women give birth and we clearly see this child is Jesus in verse 5.
"5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne."
So we clearly know who Jesus's Mother is, Mary!
@barelyillegal2866 It does when She is the Mother of God.
@barelyillegal2866 The Woman gives birth to a male child who is to rule the nations with a rod of iron. That’s a reference to the Messianic prophecy in Psalm 2, where we read:
Ask of Me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron [Psalm 2:8-9].
Jesus fulfilled this Messianic prophecy.
The fact that the male child is caught up to the throne of God is a reference to Jesus’s Ascension into heaven, so we have another confirmation that the male child is Jesus.
And since the Woman who gives birth to Him is His Mother, we could infer that the Woman here is Jesus’s Mother, the Virgin Mary.
Theyre so obsessed with sola scriptura and then Jesus literally says "behold your mother" to his disciples, but the Blessed Mother isn't important, okay 😕
Behold your mother is Jesus referring to John to look after his mother as if she was his own mother.
@@jamesskinner1902Jesus often refers to the Apóstolos as the church, when he said behold your mother, he was giving his church a Mother... Our lady of Guadeloupe when she appeared she said to that boy ... am I not your mother.. She is defenitly the mother of the church...
Maria Martins There is no mention of the Mother of the Church in the Bible. Christ is the head of the Church (Ephesians 5:23) and true believers are the body (1 Cor 12:27). The idea of Mary being elevated to the Mother of the Church is a Roman catholic tradition but this is not found in God’s Word. All Glory, honor and praise belongs to God alone (Isaiah 42:8) and therefore it is committing idolatry (2nd commandment) to be given this kind of praise honor and worship to someone else. Prayer is to God alone in Jesus name (John 14-13-14). I only pray more people would read their Bibles and would stop being hoodwinked with man-made doctrines that are turning them away from the one-true and living God. I suggest you read the Gospel according to Rome (McCarthy). I hope this book will open many Roman Catholic’s eyes as to how far the Roman Catholic Church has strayed from God’s Word.
@@jamesskinner1902 man made doctrines are the one's done by, people that just read the bible... And twist everything... They know every page and chapter, and don't even realise what God is asking of us... AND YES GOD GAVE OUR ESPIRITUAL MOTHER A VERY SPECIAL PLACE IN THE CHURCH.. About Catholic Church... If you read the key of David it revels that God Made a eternal covenant with benzentine people and that is Europe.. If its Europe is the Catholic Church... When God stabllish the first covenant he started with 12 priests and later God had 70 Disciples.. And when he stabllish the second covenant he started with 12 Apóstolos and later had 70 more Disciples.. The 12 Apóstolos where the new priests for the new Covenant.. First covenant. They enter by circuncision second by baptism. Didn't Jesus told the Apóstolos go and baptize all nations he was giving his priests the outhority to baptize. When he told his Apóstolos the sins you forgive will be forgiven the one's you retain shall be retained. He was giving his priests the outhority to forgive and retain sin... The Jewish people olso go for confession.. .. Even the Pope and the rock as its roots in Jewish. Faith... The old covenant had the supper of the Lamb, we have the Eucaristy wich is the supper of the Lamb.. When our Lord said if you don't eat the body and blood of Christ we won't enter the kingdom of heaven.. No way our Lord was joking, not only did he meant what he said he provided.. . When protestantes say as long as we believe in the Lord. We are saved for Catholic people means to enter the Covenant we must believe in our Lord... So it doesn't matter how well you read your Bible if you are going to twist everything and use it against his church ..God came to make a covenant with his blood for man to take away their sins.. Only is blood can do that.. Instead of doing what he asks, we are making it about a book.. Telling people we are already saved.. No we are not, we have to live according to what he stabllish.. God did fix everything till mankind obey, the world will never be fixed..
@@jamesskinner1902
It's bizarre to see how some Protestants diss the very same Catholic Church that gave them the Bible.
"To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant." ~ Cardinal John Newman (former Protestant turned Catholic)
A lot of "mental gymnastics" here with little to no scripture. Jesus said "before Abraham ever was I Am" (John 8:58). It is clear the "I Am" predated Mary and not the other way around. It is accurate to say she is "the mother of the son of God" or a mother "for" God but not "of" Him, again since He predates her and created her, not the other way around. Also important to note, Jesus marginalized Mary's role as in Matthew 12:48-50 he basically says ANYONE can be his mother (what an honor!) or sister or brother. Only one Father, but many mothers (brothers and sisters)! Simply put (thanks to the indwelling of the Holy Spirit) Jesus has a multitude of "bearers or carriers" (mothers) but only one Father. You could be one too if you allow the will of the Father to live in you and flow through you. Hallelujah!
You can’t give birth to a half of a nature. She gave birth to God and the Bible calls her His mother. You should probably read Luke all the way through again and then read all of the scripture on the arc of the covenant. Just sayin. 😉 the whole Bible is used in context in the Catholic Church. It’s why I had to leave the protest. Then He gave His mother to us (one of the “mothers” you’re talking about), at the cross. He gave her to the beloved disciple. All of us. Jesus is the king there’s too many brides to have a queen just like in the OT, it means His mom is queen, just like in the OT. I pray Holy Spirit gives you eyes to see and ears to hear.
Zero Scripture. Only mental gymnastics and vain reasoning.
I can't grasp why we can't follow the steps of Elizabeth, when called Mary 'the mother of my Lord' (a name given to God by Jews, therefore, it is as to call her now 'the Mother of God') when Jesus was yet in her womb; I am not sure who are not being 'biblical' here
The title “Mother of God” is a statement about Jesus, not about Mary. In the original Greek, the term is “Theotokos,” which literally translated means “God-bearer.” The important point is that Jesus is God, and was God incarnate in Mary’s womb.
This was a necessary clarification of doctrine in order to combat the Nestorian heresy, which denied the Incarnation. The title Mother of God affirms our belief in the Incarnation, and that Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity, with two Natures, human and Divine. He is not two Persons (Jesus and God). This was defined by a Church Council, so it is not negotiable.
I hope this helps to clarify why “Mother of my Lord” would not be adequate to combat the heresy.
@@MarilynBoussaid-yd1vkDo you all not notice THE WORD OF CHRIST Never call her Mother Of God??? She is not the mother of God. God doesn’t have a mother and SHE DID NOT CREATE GOD
YOU ALL can’t understand this and it is ridiculous to continue to pray for a womb to be fruitful when it is nonexistent. It is no more. This is why TRUE BELIEVERS DO NOT PRAY something was that was JUST USED ONCE AS A SALUTATION. A greeting! That is what Hail Mary meant a Greeting while now you all are making it to mean MORE than what it is
Full of Grace does not mean SINLESS
In fact where Grace abound so much more the sin.
A nossa salvação também passa pelo "sim" de Maria.
Verdade!
Porque há um só Deus, e um só Mediador entre Deus e os homens, Jesus Cristo, homem.
1 Timóteo 2:5
Portanto, pode também salvar, perfeitamente, os que por ELE se chegam a Deus, vivendo sempre para interceder por eles.
Hebreus 7:25 ARC
@@7ruijorge sim nobre a salvação só em Jesus, é exatamente o que a doutrina da santa Igreja diz
@@romulopereira9619 Go read Vatican 2 and catechism of the catholic church......salvation according to catholci doctrine is not what the Bible teaches....
for example...did Jesus die once and for all sin? or must you atone for your sins still in purgatory? agreeing with purgatory then makes the blood of Christ insufficient.....the Bible though says Jesus died ONCE and FOR ALL sin, His blood is the perfect sacrifice for ALL sin
Mary is the Mother of God indeed, but Paul never mentions her once in all his writings. Compare Paul’s writings to your tradition and see if something’s up.
The Bible doesn’t mention the Holy Trinity either and yet people still believe in the Holy Trinity.
J.M. G.
The Bible definitely teaches the Trinity. It does not definitely teach praying or appealing to or invoking Mary. There’s no promise by any Apostle or early church father. Why? Ya gotta ask why.
@@zarnoffa Where in scripture does it say, "Holy Trinity"? Explicitly the words, "Holy Trinity"?
@@zarnoffa Also, the early church fathers do mention Mary and praying to her and asking for her intercession for us towards her Son, Jesus. For example, St. Gregory the Wonderworker (213 - 270 AD), St. Epiphanius, St. Ephem of Edessa, St. Augustine, St. Justin the Martyr....these are just some of the early church fathers.
J.M. G.
It teaches the concept of the Trinity. It teaches the concept of the Mother of God. It doesn’t command or promise or give examples of anything regarding appealing to Mary.
Two different things. You’re not making a solid argument because you’re arguing apples and oranges.
Jesus is in the old testament doe, before mary was even born.
And became the son of Mary.
Mary was already mentioned in the Old Testament in Genesis. God put iniquity between the devil and the Woman, and her Seed
Knowing that God is eternal, which both Catholics and Protestants agree to; one cannot listen to one side and claim to understand the hullabaloo about the title Mother of God. The immediate thought that comes to our minds is that God is eternal, we cannot claim to understand how God entered into His creation by means of young virgin, but He did. The issue is not that what Mary gave birth to was God who became flesh. The question is whether the term Mother of God is used collectly or misused.
Qoute (from Evangelical Apologists): >>The Creed of Chalcedon, A.D. 451, includes the Greek term ‘theotokos’ to define the identity of Christ. ‘Theotokos’ literally means ‘God-bearer’, which is loosely translated into Latin ‘Mater Dei’ - Mother of God. The term was used to underline the fact that the child born of Mary was truly God, and thus to guard against the error that Christ was two persons in one body, rather than one person. This heresy, ‘Nestorianism’, was condemned at the First Council of Ephesus in A.D. 431.
The Creed states, in part, that Christ was “begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, according to the Manhood.”
The creed does not teach that Mary is the mother of Christ’s divine nature. As God, Christ has no beginning and no mother. Indeed, the creed explicitly says that he was begotten ‘before all ages’. Moreover, the creed qualifies the meaning of ‘theotokos’ by the phrase ‘according to the Manhood’, or, in another translation, ‘born of Mary the virgin, who is God-bearer in respect of his humanness’. It is only Christ’s human nature that is ascribed to Mary, from whom he was descended and born.
Thankfully Catholics and Evangelicals are united on the doctrine of Christ. We believe that our Lord is a unique Person. He is eternally God; he also became a man. Yet Christ is not two persons, nor is he divided, but he is one Person with two distinct natures, divine and human. Thus it is equally correct to call him both ‘God’ and ‘man’, and for this reason, we do not hesitate to call his mother, the Mother of God.
Sadly some have misused this title to attribute to Mary a role which the Lord never intended. Some Catholics think that Mary has a maternal authority over her Son, and therefore some ask Mary to plead on their behalf with her Son because they are convinced that he will never disobey his mother’s commands.
Amazingly, in his days of humiliation, the Son of God did not only become a babe, but as a child, he submitted himself to the authority of his creatures - his putative father, Joseph, and his mother, Mary. Of course, he is no longer under such parental authority. Even during his earthly public ministry, he was led solely by the Holy Spirit to do the Father’s will. Following the resurrection and ascension, Christ is now seated at the right hand of Majesty, and he has all power over his church and all creation. Mary does not have authority over Jesus; on the contrary, Jesus is Mary’s Lord and Saviour.
Let us, therefore, keep our eyes fixed on Jesus. Let us remember that for our salvation he was born of the blessed virgin mother, and was made human like us, so that he could be nailed to a cross to shed his innocent blood for our redemption. Let us also remember that the man Christ Jesus is none other than the eternal Son of God. He is not inattentive to the cries of his people, nor is he reluctant to save to the uttermost those who come to the Father through him. Let us confidently come to Christ. We ought to trust him with our souls and worship him as our God.
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PS
I received replies from several Catholic readers of the Gospel e-Letter saying that I misrepresented the Catholic teaching on Mary when I wrote, 'Mary has a maternal authority over her Son, and therefore some ask Mary to plead on their behalf with her Son because they are convinced that he will never disobey his mother’s commands.'
I refer you to the popular devotion, The Glories of Mary, by St Alphonsus Liguori, to show that this is what some Catholics really believe. Excerpts:
- Moreover, once Jesus Christ has deigned to make her His Mother, He was then obliged to obey her because He was her Son.
- At the command of Mary, all obey, even God … God grants the prayers of Mary as if they were commands.
- We are all under obligation to God for whatever we have, because everything is but a gift from Him, but by taking flesh from Mary and becoming Man, God was put to put Himself under obligation to her.
- Although Mary obtains favours by asking, yet she asks with a certain maternal authority, and therefore we ought to feel confident that she obtains all she desires and asks for us.
- The prayers of the Blessed Virgin, being the prayers of a Mother, have in them something of a command; so that it is impossible that she should not obtain what she asks
- As thou hast, O Mary, the authority of a Mother with God, thou obtainest pardon for the most enormous sinners; since that Lord in all things acknowledges thee as his true and spotless Mother, he cannot do otherwise than grant what thou askest
- Thou, O Mary, being Mother of the most high God, canst save all by thy prayers, which are increased in value by the maternal authority.
This teaching is erroneous, and I hope that you reject it. On the contrary, I trust that like Mary, you submit yourself to the authority and grace of our Lord Jesus Christ for salvation and life.
Your comment is for the most part very well written. I only want to point out to you the Wedding at Cana, when Mary intercedes with Jesus on behalf of the bride and groom. Jesus, appearing to be reluctant, nevertheless complies with her request. This is an example of what Mary continues to do on behalf of those who ask for her intercession, and Jesus listens to her.
There is also the finding of Jesus in the Temple, when Jesus went home with His Mother and Foster Father and was obedient to them.
Consider the commandment “Honor thy father and thy mother.” In Judaism, obedience to parents is an important aspect of honoring them. Jesus fulfilled the Law perfectly. He treats His Mother with reverence even in Eternity. You may not want to believe this, but if you consider the Mind of Christ, you will understand. Philippians 2: “Have this mind in you which was in Christ Jesus….” going on to say “He emptied Himself,” meaning He was humble, and “obedient unto death.” The Mind of Christ would not be haughty or jealous of our requests to His Mother and to the Saints for their intercession. You are projecting your own lack of humility and obedience onto Jesus, who although He is Almighty God reigning in glory, still treats His Mother with the utmost respect and love.
@@MarilynBoussaid-yd1vk It seems "my comment is just well written" but you did not hear what it says in its fullness otherwise you would not comment saying the exact opposite. You write, for example "He[Jesus ] treats His mother with reverence even in eternity..." This the great example why I find it difficult to understand these type of arguments. You don't have a clue what is going on in eternity, yet you are here telling me what happens there, how do you know that the glorified Jesus who is God Eternal is in heaven listening to his mother? It seems Catholic Jesus has no attributes of God ~ the three Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent! It seems Mary is the one who has these attributes and has the capacity to hear the over a billion Catholics who call upon her for help all over the globe, if one stops to think about it.
Tell me, who is Jesus to you? Is He the one in John 10 who is a good Shepherd or is that role belongs to Mary? Did Jesus indicate anywhere that He will shepherd us along side Mary? You interpretation of Philippians 2 is the most grievous, it has nothing to do with Mary and an example of Mariology approach to God's Word, seeing Mary in every sentence. The Jesus I know is capable of folding this world like a garment. The Jesus I know in His glory cannot be looked upon with naked eye, you will die immediately. The Jesus I know destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah in minute. Think about it, when He decided to enter into His own creation, He had to put aside His glory by His own will. That is what Philippians 2 is all about.
Mary Was A SINNER and a Who NEEDED A SAVIOR 🔥🤗🔥SDG
Mary, the Blessed Virgin Mother of Jesus Christ was NOT a sinner. God the Father chose a perfect, spotless, sinless, humble lady to be The Mother of God the Son. And God the Father showed us his humility by asking Mary if she will do this, to which she replied yes. If we are supposed to follow God / Jesus Christs example are we not supposed to be just as humble and meek as them?
@@statik47 - Mary also gave birth to four brothers of Jesus - Mark 6:3 and sisters of Jesus too...
@@warrensmith3070 no she did not. That story has been debunked countless times over.
@@statik47 - I'll go on what the Bible says, not what I'd like it to say...
@@warrensmith3070 bs you are full of crap too
One argument I would make if I didn’t believe what I do about the blessed virgin, is that when someone says “Mary mother of God” it’s like humanizing God to a level where God is nothing more than just a regular man. Like God needed a mother in order to give birth to him in order to exist.
As a protestant (Calvary Chapel) that is something I personally believe. I see Mary as Jesus' earthy mother, but not the literal mother of God (as in the eternal Trinity). To me, that would imply that she came before God, and as we know God is eternal and doesn't live in time. Not trying to argue
@alray I know that Jesus is God, I'm not denying that. I'm just saying that I believe Mary to be His earthly mother, not his literal mother.
alray this sort of deep explanation, passion, and knowledge is exactly what my perish’s catechesis was lacking so much for many years. It’s become my prayer from now on that my home perish will receive good, deep, knowledgeable, compassionate people like yourself to guide those leaving, those currently in, and those joining our church. Thank you so much and God bless. And HAIL MARY! TOTUS TUUS!
@@snlescaille We call Mary the Mother of God as a way of honoring our Lord. We don't think that she is the Mother of the Blessed Trinity, that would be blasphemous.
Mary is the Mother of God because that is Who the Person of her Son is, God, a divine Person. We enunciate that the Person conceived in her, dwelled in her, and was born of her really was God.
Remember, Mothers don't give birth to bodies, they give birth to Persons, and from eternity His Person was and is God.
@@loganrieck4750 That makes sense. I personally see that our views on Mary are more similar than it may seem at first. According to my understanding of Scripture, I've always had a lot of respect for Mary. God picked her out of the thousands of other women available for a reason - she was an incredible woman. Really, the only thing I really disagree with though is praying to Mary. I have been looking into Catholicism (more the Eastern side) and I cannot get past this. Jeremiah chapter 44 (emphasis on verses 15-19) and Jeremiah 7:18 lead me to believe that this is condemned. Especially since the Bible never mentions prayers to the dead. Is there anything that I'm missing? Your interpretation is something for me to pray about and look into more.
Hello brothers and sisters of the catholic faith. I am a protestant. I have zero problems calling Mary the mother of God, given all the proper definitions of words.
But I have some considerations.
The Second Person of the Trinity always existed and did not begin in Mary's womb, so the analogy with human parents does not work well. We as human persons are destined to begin to exist in conception through the union of our parents flesh.
Jesus always existed and has an eternal memory. So Jesus remember creating Mary. Whatever the Father does, the Son does. Jesus, as the Word of God, (same person) raised mary, cared for her as His creation and as His children.
I can call Mary the Mother of God with no hesitation, given all those considerations.
But with that same logic ( calling Mary Mother of God, because she was mother of Jesus) I can call myself brother of God.
Sorry if that sounds weird. But Jesus gave me that right.
Luke 8
20 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to see you.”
21 He replied, “My mother and brothers are those who hear God’s word and put it into practice.”
I am Jesus's brother. I am God's brother. So are you.
God bless.
This shows the universal acceptance of Jesus to have himself united with people who practice his word in their life.
You and me child of God, brother etc if we live the word of God.
Mary- the real biological mother of Jesus. Who was born with the power of the holy spirit. As per the promise of God in the blood line of David Jesus was born. There is a huge difference here.
The verse you mentioned - promises everyone in this world to have a relationship with God.
Lastly, this verse is a crucial one cause Jesus also says those who live by the word of God. It relates to a pure life like Mary. There is a deep message behind the Lords sentence. Cause we need an immense blessing and a sinless life to attain that post with Jesus.
Would you call yourself child of God or Brother of God?
@@adrianjeffery497 Hi Adrian. God bless you, brother.
I know you believe that about Mary: that she was a sinless human. But i believe that this tradition goes against the entire biblical testimony. But my point there was not to prove that mary was a human that, just like every other human, was saved from sin and damnation. I was simply implying that.
But i have to point out an inconsistency in your argument, as we can found in any tradition created by man.
Of course there is a difference between our relation to the Lord and Mary's relation to the lord, and David's relation to the Lord and so on. But is this a spiritual difference?
You stated that Mary was sinless, born with the power of the Holy Spirit and had a pure life. You said also that this is a "crucial" text that has a "deep message" about that.
So let's read every crucial word. With all the attetion it deserves.
Using the logic you apllied to the verse it also means that the "brothers" of Jesus were at the same level of His mother. This "Pure life" status that you metioned.
Adrien. Your Lord and my Lord does not say: "MY MOTHER are thoses who hear God’s word and put it into practice."
We are just talking about hearing Jesus words properly and believing in them. Let's REALLY listen to Jesus.
Rather our Lord says:
“My mother and brothers are those who hear God’s word and put it into practice."
You have a dillema here.
If Jesus was exalting his biological connections , he exalted his brothers together with Mary. Meaning they were also biological sons of Mary.
I believe his brothers were biological sons of Mary. But your traditions deny that.
If he was not exalting his biological connections, then he was doing the opposite: showing them to be irrelevant. Wich is also denied by your traditions.
There's no way out of this.
About your question if i would call myself "child of God" or "Brother of God" .... (the CAPS are mandatory?)
Answer: This is a false anthithesis. I will call myself any name God ascribe to me, any title the Lord desire. so i would call myself child of God, creation of God, son of God, family of God, brother of God (without the caps, the caps looks like a trap, brother. lol).
The point of Jesus is clear. His family is not biological, his family is spiritual, through faith in his word we are properly his family, EVEN HIS MOTHER AND HIS BROTHERS.
Thank you for you time. God bless us.
Mary was a biological host and the human descendant of royalty so she was chosen by God to provide the right geneology for Jesus human half, I simply don't see scriptural evidence for her being as significant as the Catholics say she is... Salvation was achieved by him alone, grace is though him alone, intercession is by the spirit of God not Mary, forgiveness, healing, deliverance, all though Jesus finished work on the cross.... anything else is pure idolatry.
In James 5;16 and in Matthew 5;44, there is scriptural support for praying for each other. I can ask you to pray for me and I can pray for you. How, then, can asking Mary to pray for us, be idolatry?
Firstly, a mother is not simply a 'biological host'. Motherhood/Fatherhood is much more profound than that.
Secondly, you speak of Mary being the instrument for Jesus' human half. This betrays the truth that those who deny the 'Theotokos' somehow believe that Jesus is half God and half man.
He is fully the Son of God and Son of Mary (Man).
He receives His Divine nature from His Father, and His human nature from His Mother.
A parent, strictly speaking, is one who gives his/her nature to an offspring. Well then, Mary gave Her human nature to 'God the Son'. Thus She is rightly called Mother of God the Son or Mother of God for short.
Notice the difference between the understanding of Motherhood as giving/sharing of nature as opposed to a biological host.
God the Word received human nature from Mary, so She is the Mother of God's Word.
@@aarespo - God is not a created being...Jesus has existed since the beginning...long before Mary was born in sin to two sinful parents...when the Word became flesh, the blood barrier ensured that Mary's sinful blood did not enter Jesus in human form...His sinless blood is soooooo precious...Mary physically bore other children and was 100% a sinful woman......
Spot on, Josh...
Mary isn't God, this is true. This also means Mary doesn't produce her own light. The same can apply for the moon - the moon doesn't produce its own light, it reflects the light of the sun. So if God is the sun since He produces His own light, then Mary is the moon because she doesn't produce her own light, but reflects God's light and love.
Also, Mary's ultimate goal is to bring us closer to her Son, Jesus. "Why go to Mary though when you can go straight to Jesus?" Great question! Think of it like this - you're in a relationship with someone, and you eat at their parents' house for the first time. The parents are extremely generous and you learn a whole lot about them, which more than likely makes you learn more about your partner, and especially helps you love your partner more. It's the same thing with Mary - when we get to know the Mother of Jesus, we learn more about Jesus Himself, and we learn to love Him better. Also, Jesus wants us to know His Mother! If he didn't, he wouldn't've referred to her as John's mother, and He wouldn't've referred to John as her son (John 19:26-27).
One example of this in Scripture is the Wedding at Cana. Mary learned before Jesus that they were all out of wine, but Mary wasn't the one who turned the water into wine. Instead, she took it to Jesus, and when He said He'd do it, Mary told the servants, "Do whatever He tells you to." She didn't say anything about herself, she made it all about her Son. Again, she is not God and she does not have His power, but her ultimate goal is to bring us closer to Jesus, the blessed fruit of her womb.
The problem here with argument I think that she gave birth to a person that already existed because he is eternal, so when Mary gives birth to Jesus, she does not create any person, cant create what already exist. She is mother of God, but noup his divinity source is Father. Not convinced. But any way blessed be my brothers from Chatolic church, let's agree and fight togheter against real enemy, devil. Because if you belive in trinity and accepted Jesus and I do the same, I call you my brother.
Mary is the Theotokos, the bearer of God, the one who carried the God-Man. besides Greek & English, no other European language that I know makes the difference between Motherhood & childbearing.
as a Calvinist, I have no issues with Mary being the one the Father chose to carry the Son, the same way a surrogate mother carries another family's child.
•is Mary blessed? the Bible says so.
•was Jesus born of a virgin birth? the bible says so.
•was Mary forever virgin? there's nothing within Scriptures saying this unequivocally, caths read the passage "your mother and your cousins" or "your mother & your half-siblings", while prots read it "your mother and your full siblings".
Most Evangelicals today who reject Mary as the Mother of God are embracing some form of Nestorianism ipso facto. If you say Mary only gave birth to the "human nature" of Jesus, you have a major Christological heresy on your hands.... and it is not a new one either. The truth about Mary protects the truth about Jesus- He is fully God and fully Man. Ave Maria.
Hail Mary” and portions of the “Hail, Holy Queen” are blatantly unbiblical. While the first part of the Hail Mary is almost a direct quotation from Luke 1:28, there is no scriptural basis for (1) praying to Mary, (2) addressing her as “holy,” or (3) calling her “our life” and “our hope.”
Praying the rosary involves giving attributes to Mary that the Bible never gives her. To call Mary “holy”-the Catholic Church teaches that Mary never sinned or had any taint of original sin-is not biblical. The Bible calls all believers “saints,” which can be interpreted as “holy ones,” but Scripture says that the righteousness believers have is the imputed righteousness from Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21).
Rose laqueen Wrong. You should read Tim Staples resource “Behold Your Mother” instead of relying on your ignorance and prejudice. Viva Cristo Rey!
@@petertherock7340 I rely on bible only. If it ain't biblical its false. Know the truth the truth will st u free
@@petertherock7340 Where am i wrong exactly??
Rose laqueen The question is do you even know what the Bible is? I doubt it. Viva Cristo Rey!
Matthew 12 46-59 : Jesus himself denies the importance of his earthly mother. Only through faith in God Jesus and confessing we are sinners we are saved from the sin. Only through good works we get righteous. But there is no point to become righteous if your sins have not been forgiven.
So... Through faith alone I am saved. I don’t need to do anything to get this salvation, admit to yourself that you are a sinner and believe in Jesus and that he died for that sin.
Also it’s not only, that you don’t need to do anything to be saved, you can’t do anything to get saved. It’s impossible.
There is no good work you could do, that cleanse you from sin, only Jesus
Hmmm so what if you know that you are a sinner, and believe in Jesus and know that he died for your sins but still reject him or do not repent, would you suppose that if you died so, you would be heading to heaven?
Read context guy.
Faith is dead without 'works' Period. Claiming to have Faith and Not 'living('works') as a believer doesn't work .amen
Jesus never denied her u have to read the context to get his message. Remember the woman of Genesis why would Jesus be calling her woman if not to remember u the woman of Genesis. Go back and read again
@@007alztruli Not really...
Jesus is wonderful today is the day of salvation. Don't delay Jesus so wants you to come to Him...take a step of faith.
Jesus had two natures, and Mary was not the "mother" of Jesus' divine nature.
@@brandonreq Don't be deceived
At what point did Jesus' divine nature become part of his human nature so as to become a person?
You are the son/daughter of your mother, not just your body but both body and soul. However your mother did not give you a soul, she just gave you the flesh but we don't say "you are the mother of my body" instead we say "you are my mother"
@@edwinkarlcorado2549 You believe that Mary is the Mother of God?
@@ccookRomans YES!!!!
So really we should call her "Mary the mother of the human nature of the second person of God", just to be concise 😅
The natures of Jesus aren't separated. Hypostatic union.
@@oimss2021 absolutely 👍
It seems the reals problems people are having on both sides of this argument is all because of disagreements/confusions of definitions! I see where both the catholics and protestants are coming from!
No it is like saying. Your mother is only half mother because you have a father. Jesus is trult human and truly God indivisible nature
Impossible to be the mother of a nature. Mary is the mother of a Person and that Person is God.
The virgin Mary, by God’s grace, recognized that she needed the Savior. The Bible never says that Mary was anyone but an ordinary human whom God chose to use in an extraordinary way. Yes, Mary was a righteous woman and favored (graced) by God (Luke 1:27-28). At the same time, Mary was a sinful human being who needed Jesus Christ as her Savior, just like everyone else (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans
3:23; 6:23; 1 John 1:8).
so u think is wrong when we catholic recite the hail Mary prayer???
@Claudia Maigret 1 Corinthians 1:18
@Luke C. The bible says multiple times tht jesus was perfect. It says all have sinned except jesus the only perfect human. So what r u really saying here?
@Claudia Maigret Are making mary equal to God? That is wrong in many ways. Blasphemy
@@freddytorres3609 Yest they are wrong It is unbiblical I can guve u verses if u want. and give me bible versers about the mary prayer