Michael Rider is a relatively unknown BUT I went to school with him and he’s an extremely talented and kinda designer. He’s sort of prototypically extreme old money wealthy and never does social media while being found in the background photos of Issac Mizrahi, Dan Levy, the knitwear designer for Peter Som, and the occasional J W Anderson. From when we were in school, he was obsessed with the Olsen Twins and used to collect Manolo’s and recreate Anna Wintours looks (Chanel suits and all). He’s the right hand man behind what Pheobe did and extremely skilled with creating that world of untouchable, extreme wealth, look at me but don’t look at me aesthetic. It’s HIS world already, so I’m excited to see what he’ll do with FULL creative control.
@@ObservingtheMatrix Wow, I adore all the granular background detail on this key industry player. I continue to be gobsmacked at how the best designers channel what is happening out there in the zeitgeist, creating highly-coveted fashion collections that appeal to both their customer base and the fashion press.😍
Exciting to see how/where Celine is heading under Rider. I hope to see a return of the strong aesthetic play of colours interwoven into structural designed pieces, and now with Rider’s own touch. Yet to find another brand that could charm in the way Phoebe-era did.
Mary I just love to see over and over Phoebe work at Celine. I don’t know if anyone could bring Celine to that level. I already have so many rare pieces, and putting more on the list 🤪😂 we will see now we have to watch 2 brands Chanel and Celine
I think lvmh is turning Celine into an American brand rather than keeping it parisan chic. Reasons being so that they can compete with other successful American brands, such as Ralph Lauren, Tommy Hilfiger and Brooks Brothers.
To me, Celine is in a different class than Tommy Hilfiger and Brooks Brothers. Hilfiger is more street wear than luxury. Ralph Lauren isn't on par with Celine, but it could be one day.
One of the things that can happen to post Hedi Celine is what already happened to post Hedi Dior and Saint Laurent. They made it more acceptable to wider audience leaning on Hedi created exclusive brand allure. Hedi elevates brand name, after him come people who make it palatable to the masses.
It will be interesting to see what the new designer puts on the runway. However, back in the showroom, he needs to keep the " commercial collection /cash cows" of the merchandise with the Celine logo all over it, the chelsea boots, teddy coats, etc. He needs to introduce his own bags but still keep the best sellers from the previous eras. Hedi made a lot of money for Celine by having very commercial pieces with cool and edgy ad campaigns. So l don't think the new designer should completely disregard what Hedi did. Maybe evolve gradually.
He probably should do what Hedi did, but whether he can is another question! It's evidently very hard to make something look that good. Go to Google images and search "Gucci billboard campaign 2024", then try with Louis Vuitton, you can even try Saint Laurent, then try Celine... The Celine stuff looks lightyears ahead...
I agree that Celine is a blank canvas of a brand that is solely based on who their CD is. But that being said, blank canvas brands can be risky because if the new CD doesn't match or exceed their previous successor then the brand and parent company will be at a costly loss
i think "realism" is code for 'sell-through'. sounds like it will be merchandizing-driven rather than design/brand-driven. maybe heading the max mara direction...?
Michael Rider is a relatively unknown BUT I went to school with him and he’s an extremely talented and kinda designer. He’s sort of prototypically extreme old money wealthy and never does social media while being found in the background photos of Issac Mizrahi, Dan Levy, the knitwear designer for Peter Som, and the occasional J W Anderson. From when we were in school, he was obsessed with the Olsen Twins and used to collect Manolo’s and recreate Anna Wintours looks (Chanel suits and all).
He’s the right hand man behind what Pheobe did and extremely skilled with creating that world of untouchable, extreme wealth, look at me but don’t look at me aesthetic. It’s HIS world already, so I’m excited to see what he’ll do with FULL creative control.
@@ObservingtheMatrix Wow, I adore all the granular background detail on this key industry player. I continue to be gobsmacked at how the best designers channel what is happening out there in the zeitgeist, creating highly-coveted fashion collections that appeal to both their customer base and the fashion press.😍
I would love to see Celine’s logo change and stand for the typeface. The C logo gets lost and confused with the Chanel & Coach logos
I agree. It’s somewhat derivative.
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Exciting to see how/where Celine is heading under Rider. I hope to see a return of the strong aesthetic play of colours interwoven into structural designed pieces, and now with Rider’s own touch. Yet to find another brand that could charm in the way Phoebe-era did.
Mary I just love to see over and over Phoebe work at Celine. I don’t know if anyone could bring Celine to that level. I already have so many rare pieces, and putting more on the list 🤪😂 we will see now we have to watch 2 brands Chanel and Celine
I think they meant real in terms of what everyday people wear in there everyday wardrobe
Interesting question you pose - I really enjoy your video and your view of the design world overall.
thank you, I love your videos,
I think lvmh is turning Celine into an American brand rather than keeping it parisan chic. Reasons being so that they can compete with other successful American brands, such as Ralph Lauren, Tommy Hilfiger and Brooks Brothers.
To me, Celine is in a different class than Tommy Hilfiger and Brooks Brothers. Hilfiger is more street wear than luxury. Ralph Lauren isn't on par with Celine, but it could be one day.
One of the things that can happen to post Hedi Celine is what already happened to post Hedi Dior and Saint Laurent. They made it more acceptable to wider audience leaning on Hedi created exclusive brand allure. Hedi elevates brand name, after him come people who make it palatable to the masses.
It will be interesting to see what the new designer puts on the runway. However, back in the showroom, he needs to keep the " commercial collection /cash cows" of the merchandise with the Celine logo all over it, the chelsea boots, teddy coats, etc. He needs to introduce his own bags but still keep the best sellers from the previous eras. Hedi made a lot of money for Celine by having very commercial pieces with cool and edgy ad campaigns. So l don't think the new designer should completely disregard what Hedi did. Maybe evolve gradually.
He probably should do what Hedi did, but whether he can is another question! It's evidently very hard to make something look that good. Go to Google images and search "Gucci billboard campaign 2024", then try with Louis Vuitton, you can even try Saint Laurent, then try Celine... The Celine stuff looks lightyears ahead...
I agree that Celine is a blank canvas of a brand that is solely based on who their CD is. But that being said, blank canvas brands can be risky because if the new CD doesn't match or exceed their previous successor then the brand and parent company will be at a costly loss
RIP celine....
i think "realism" is code for 'sell-through'. sounds like it will be merchandizing-driven rather than design/brand-driven. maybe heading the max mara direction...?
Yes the one show was cancelled because of the French riots going on at the time.