Trey was hurt in preseason. Then, I filled in mid-season with a poor showing and was hurt again. Then, he was named the starting QB the following season and was done for the year. Then, he lost the starting position, too, Purdy & Sam Darnell. It was just bad luck and unfortunate circumstances. Best of luck to him, though, because the Jets could sure use him.
@@fantasybeast7202 he has not produced this season. The only reason we beat the Bills is because the defense forced 4 turnovers and we had a walkoff punt return to win
@@chrisw1503 And yet those are hall of fame numbers for 1970s QBs. Most QBs in that era had really bad INT numbers because the DBs could openly maul the receivers. At the time of his retirement, Joe Namath was 10th all time in passing yards, was the first QB to throw for 4,000 yards in a season, and won a super bowl. But I think he got into the HoF mostly on his persona, which was pretty big in the 1970s.
@@VulcanLogic And Joe Namath didn't just win a Super Bowl. He won arguably the most pivotal Super Bowl in the history of the NFL. The Jets' victory over the Colts in Super Bowl III helped merge the AFL and the NFL. All 10 AFL teams (Kansas City, New England, Buffalo, Tennessee, Cincinnati, Miami, the Los Angeles Chargers, Denver, Las Vegas and the New York Jets) came into the NFL based on the AFL showing it was on the same level as the old NFL. It was also how Namath won it -- by guaranteeing the upstart Jets would beat a Colts team coached by Don Shula (the NFL's all-time winningest coach) despite the Jets being a 19.5-point underdog. In many respects, that victory also put the Super Bowl on the map as a national sporting event. Some people don't understand the significance of Super Bowl III in NFL history and how it helped reshape the NFL.
@@michaeljohnson7945 I've seen that NFL film, and it was on a cathrode ray tube, black and white television in the early 80s. My point mainly was that QBs before the 1990s did not have 3:1 TD to INT ratios. Even Unitas and Tarkenton weren't remotely close to even a 2:1 ratio, and hall of famers like YA Tittle and Bobby Lane were also underwater, just like Namath. Bradshaw would be inducted in the 80s with 212 TDs and 210 picks on one of the best teams to ever be fielded. It was a different era.
Steven talking about Wilson on the sideline laughing reminded me of when the Colts were stomping the Jets 45-17 in 2021 and Wilson was on the sideline laughing and cracking jokes. Wilson was injured so he wasn't playing but still his team was getting beat down and he looked like he was enjoying it.
The jets gm should have released Wilson last off season when they had the chance and brought in a more competent back up like dalton or jameis. That’s where the big issue is.
@@thekingbradable the 49ers gave away lance pretty much. The jets doubled down on their mistake after they knew he couldnt play. There’s a big reason Wilson wouldn’t get any compensation even then.
When are we going to start looking at these scouts. Zach drafted 2nd overall, Purdy drafted last..........something is very wrong with the scouting in the NFL to make mistakes like that, and this happens all the time, first rounders don't pan out, and late picks ball out.
I really do believe Wilson is so bad they’d be better off running a wild cat and trying to hold teams under 10. They aren’t going to score with Wilson anyways and they’ll minimize/eliminate the possibility of turnovers giving teams short fields. Problem is the line is still garbage.
@@d.s5508 He holds the ball too long. The O-line holds up plenty of times and he just holds the ball and does nothing to make the play. Even in one of the highlights he just fell to the ground and wasn’t even touched on that play.
Things have definitely gotten haywire since the loss of Rodgers.They gave Wilson a shot and he just isn’t cutting it.Everything is just off.They need to do something sooner v.later.
I say this as a question: did they really give Wilson a shot? Because EVERYTHING this season was predicated to Aaron. The way this offense was supposed to run was through him. And now because he’s hurt, I don’t believe the offense plays to Wilson’s strengths, nor did it ever.
@@kdubbss0583 definitely agree on that.Also thought that Zach had picked up a few things having Rodgers as a mentor.Then it was cut short with the dang injury.Zach stepped up even though he was stepped on initially?Demoted if you will?And he handled that professionally.He has potential.Needs more experience and a stellar O line.
The Jets have no choice but to play Zack Wilson. They went all in on Rodgers, trades and spending money, they dont have anything to give up for a trade that wouldnt hurt them further. The hope is you can sign someone cheap or get a pity trade for an ok QB
The Jets are not going to win without Aaron Rodgers. Their division is brutal, the AFC is brutal, and there are no great QBs available. Might as well play Zach Wilson, and get a high draft pick in offseason
"Fans that buy the paraphernalia, and come to the games.." 🤔 They DO have to be excruciatingly painful to watch sober but, lol I think he meant to say "memorabilia" 😂😂 love Shannon
I absolutely hate the hate on Zach wilson. You know why the jets have sucked for so long? It’s the fans ability to turn on ur players faster than any other team and all it creates is negative stigma that effects the whole team. Show some loyalty and maybe things will change.
Why would Wentz want to be behind that offensive line. I don't think he would want to. It's going to be hard for any veteran QB to want to behind that turnstile
Correct me if I am wrong, but the Jets have scored 3 touchdowns in 3 games. That is absolutely attrocious, especially for a team that was supposed to be so elite. How did they go from this elite team to this bottom-feeder, lucky to get another win team, just because the starting qb went down and the backup is the number 2 overall pick. That means the quarterback is a problem, Zach Wilson is a problem. I think this game against the Chiefs will be the last time we see Zach Wilson in a Jets uniform, or best case scenario, last time on the field.
@@stevens26 compare Zach’s stats between Jamarcus Russell and even Sam darnolds time with the jets and Sam had no targets no run game no line no defense and Adam gase , Zach Wilson is historically terrible
Shannon the fans take their teams more seriously than the actual owners . It hurts us just as much especially the fans that have been here since we were little kids.
That’s what I’m saying. How many quarterbacks throughout this league has been ruined because of bad lines and bad coaching. Get him a line and see what he can do
O-Line SHOULD be better and he needs to make QUICKER DECISIONS, he looks better with an open field, HE NEEDS TO RUN, he had different occasions to run straight out the pocket, HE CHANCES TO PUSH NE to fallback a bit, instead of a constant constant constant PRESSURE
I agree… I think it’s unfortunate because the Jets have done NOTHING to help in his development as a player. Even watching last year, the Jets offense doesn’t tailor to his strengths because they have done anything to know his strengths.
The Zach Wilson/JaMarcus Bustell stat comparison is even more hilarious considering JaMarcus was a blubbery, out-of-shape drug addict who didn't study the playbook or game film (the infamous "Blank DVD" Scandal) and Zach Wilson is none of those things. Rob Saleh has exhausted all of his pathetic post game conference excuses for Zach, so now he's falling back on flat-out lying to our faces about ZW's progress. It's so transparent, and it's a damning rebuke on the way the Jets organization thinks of the fans & the media. If the Jets want to lie to themselves about the fate of their season, they are well within their rights, but like Smith said, "Don't spit in my face and tell me it's raining."
There is a huge difference between JaMarcus Russell and Zach Wilson!! Jamarcus was supposed to be transcendent!!! Zach Wilson was a question mark To just about everyone other than the Jets
True but there were still a ton of "analysts" who were marveling at his talent and thought he would develop into an elite qb, Simms, Jeremiah, Romo and others.
The fact folks want the defense to hold a team down for a full season … what about the offense for a full season . Cuz last year the defense won all them games . And now we askin the defense to go out and do it again but better . Where is the accountability for the offense since last year … y’all buggin
As a Jets fan, I am wondering alternative to the Jets have? As 1000 people before me have pointed out, they have no draft capital they use that on Aaron Rodgers, and they have probably no willing trading partners if they did.
Grab Carson Wentz. Maybe it doesn’t work but try something especially when it looks Ike given even a mediocre QB you can make the playoffs and do some damage.
It's just amazing to me to see how many chances he's getting that Trey Lance didn't even get..
True no idea who him and fields paid off
Because San Fran's ownership didn't force them to play him, Woody Johnson is
Also Rosen in AZ got canned after a year for Kyler Murray
Mean time Trey is in Dallas
chilling 😂
Trey was hurt in preseason. Then, I filled in mid-season with a poor showing and was hurt again. Then, he was named the starting QB the following season and was done for the year. Then, he lost the starting position, too, Purdy & Sam Darnell.
It was just bad luck and unfortunate circumstances. Best of luck to him, though, because the Jets could sure use him.
The defense gave up 13 points… The defense did their job
we all know its a team sport and the jets team checked out with aaron. but blame it all on dude and ruin a career
@@fantasybeast7202 he has not produced this season. The only reason we beat the Bills is because the defense forced 4 turnovers and we had a walkoff punt return to win
just saying, he's one dude on a team that's not the best. Look at Tua with no weapons Vs Now. @@mr.brooks9802
Namath trippin lol make changes from top to bottom? The only issue is the QB 💀
That defensive play wins football games for 31 other teams
Jeff I know it hurts you to see the colts struggle...he was part of the struggle lol
Aren't they first in their division?
@@Manderenn He was referring to how awful of a coach he was.
@dogmd7 Read the first part of the comment. He was also referring to how they are struggling now. Which they are not. They are in first.
At least he beat the raiders LOL
Joe Namath looks good for his age. Even at his age, he probably can read a defense better than Zack Wilson. 😢😢😢
Well Joe Namath has 173TD passes and 220 Interceptions thrown and a career 50% percent completion so I wouldn’t be to sure of that
@@chrisw1503 And yet those are hall of fame numbers for 1970s QBs. Most QBs in that era had really bad INT numbers because the DBs could openly maul the receivers. At the time of his retirement, Joe Namath was 10th all time in passing yards, was the first QB to throw for 4,000 yards in a season, and won a super bowl. But I think he got into the HoF mostly on his persona, which was pretty big in the 1970s.
@@VulcanLogic And Joe Namath didn't just win a Super Bowl. He won arguably the most pivotal Super Bowl in the history of the NFL.
The Jets' victory over the Colts in Super Bowl III helped merge the AFL and the NFL. All 10 AFL teams (Kansas City, New England, Buffalo, Tennessee, Cincinnati, Miami, the Los Angeles Chargers, Denver, Las Vegas and the New York Jets) came into the NFL based on the AFL showing it was on the same level as the old NFL.
It was also how Namath won it -- by guaranteeing the upstart Jets would beat a Colts team coached by Don Shula (the NFL's all-time winningest coach) despite the Jets being a 19.5-point underdog. In many respects, that victory also put the Super Bowl on the map as a national sporting event. Some people don't understand the significance of Super Bowl III in NFL history and how it helped reshape the NFL.
I swear bro
@@michaeljohnson7945 I've seen that NFL film, and it was on a cathrode ray tube, black and white television in the early 80s. My point mainly was that QBs before the 1990s did not have 3:1 TD to INT ratios. Even Unitas and Tarkenton weren't remotely close to even a 2:1 ratio, and hall of famers like YA Tittle and Bobby Lane were also underwater, just like Namath. Bradshaw would be inducted in the 80s with 212 TDs and 210 picks on one of the best teams to ever be fielded. It was a different era.
Steven talking about Wilson on the sideline laughing reminded me of when the Colts were stomping the Jets 45-17 in 2021 and Wilson was on the sideline laughing and cracking jokes. Wilson was injured so he wasn't playing but still his team was getting beat down and he looked like he was enjoying it.
When Joe Namath goes on National TV and Sh*ts on you its time to hang it up 😂
Literally the only HOF QB for this team saying that yeah I know that’s gotta sting
I agree, Namath out here boo booing on these boys fr😂
Don’t worry Jets fans…Joe Namath bout to come out of retirement wearing a fur coat and a helmet with two beer cans attached to it.
😂
I'm waitin".
fk it i'll take it.
Zach Wilson killed Carl!
You're probably going to trot out some statistics about how Joe was a bad QB because you say so
1:48 Who tf sneezed like that? 😂😂😂
Stephen A did
🤣🤣
Strong ah sneeze
Jets should call Chad Pennington & Vinny Testeverde & Neil O'Donnell 😂😂
Yesterday, Joe Namath went scorched earth against Zach Wilson. Today, the Jets signed Trevor Semien. Coincidence? I think not.
The jets gm should have released Wilson last off season when they had the chance and brought in a more competent back up like dalton or jameis. That’s where the big issue is.
Didn’t have the money after signing Aaron
He’s a former #2 pick, regardless of how bad he is, ideally you want to get compensation for him
@@mario98730yes they did
@@thekingbradable the 49ers gave away lance pretty much. The jets doubled down on their mistake after they knew he couldnt play. There’s a big reason Wilson wouldn’t get any compensation even then.
@@mario98730 rodgers didn’t come in until a month after free agency. They had money to bring in a competent back up for $5M or so.
Zach Wilson Welcome To The Free Agency 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Retirement?
Friendly reminder that the jets could have gotten Lawrence if they didn't decide to blow their tank by winning a meaningless game against the rams
Jets gonna Jet.
And Adam Gase would have ruined him like Urban Meyer almost did.
They would have drafted Zach Wilson anyway. They were committed.
He just got outplayed by Stroud, so.....
loool forgot that
Let’s not forget that Geno Smith was with them before being good with the Seahawks. Maybe Wilson needs a new environment
They can go get drew lock or David mills it will be much better than this
I wouldn't be surprised if Arod comes out and defends Saleh so he can keep his job.
Man it’s gotta hurt hearing a living legend and hall of famer that played on the team you’re currently on say that “he’s seen enough” of you😬
He’s been cooked his entire pro career I feel bad for the kid
I hate that he brought up Jamarcus Russell when it’s documented that he was going thru a lot personally during that time.
Dang I didn’t know Wilson sacked himself 😅
Joe Namath can’t talk when his stellar career stats say 50% completion 173 td and 220 ints 💀
#1 is the o-line. Rodgers would never have survived the season. J-E-T-S can't run either because of the o-line.
I don’t care what nobody say Shannon’s analogies be spot on🔥
He’s a goat 🐐 no matter what skip say 😂 💍 💍 💍
Why are we even having this conversation? Anyone with eyes knows Zach is not the answer.
When are we going to start looking at these scouts. Zach drafted 2nd overall, Purdy drafted last..........something is very wrong with the scouting in the NFL to make mistakes like that, and this happens all the time, first rounders don't pan out, and late picks ball out.
Yeah like they should let anyone be a scout
I really do believe Wilson is so bad they’d be better off running a wild cat and trying to hold teams under 10. They aren’t going to score with Wilson anyways and they’ll minimize/eliminate the possibility of turnovers giving teams short fields. Problem is the line is still garbage.
Not a bad idea fr, given the situation
Fr, that o-line is horrible. Wilson is running for his life as soon as the ball is snapped
@@d.s5508not even the o-line last week. They played pretty good in the second half. He just holds the ball too long
@@d.s5508 He holds the ball too long. The O-line holds up plenty of times and he just holds the ball and does nothing to make the play. Even in one of the highlights he just fell to the ground and wasn’t even touched on that play.
Wilson is playing as bad as I did back in college -Stephen A snitch
They weren’t doing him any favor with that game plan
"This brother Zack Wilson is comparable to Jamarcus Russel" 😂😂😂😂😂😂
-Quote of the Year
That sneeze was nuts Lmfaoo SAS lay off the snort
I knew Stephen a was going to say Jamarcus Russell 😂
Love espn going back to basics, the original espn jingle on the outro 👏🏽🔥
This NFL season so far has been a roasting session by the media. Broadway Joe thought he should join the fun.
The Jamarcus Russel comparison sheesh 😬😬
Identical numbers.. worse in some aspects
It is clear that Saleh is being ordered to do what he is doing and to say what he is saying.
Manti Teos girlfriend sacked Zach Wilson on that one play
If old man joe says that then you know Zach gotta go
Things have definitely gotten haywire since the loss of Rodgers.They gave Wilson a shot and he just isn’t cutting it.Everything is just off.They need to do something sooner v.later.
I say this as a question: did they really give Wilson a shot? Because EVERYTHING this season was predicated to Aaron. The way this offense was supposed to run was through him. And now because he’s hurt, I don’t believe the offense plays to Wilson’s strengths, nor did it ever.
Do they got Sam darn old stilll?
I say bring in Davis mills he can still develop
@@kdubbss0583 definitely agree on that.Also thought that Zach had picked up a few things having Rodgers as a mentor.Then it was cut short with the dang injury.Zach stepped up even though he was stepped on initially?Demoted if you will?And he handled that professionally.He has potential.Needs more experience and a stellar O line.
@@jameshollister8294😊
Jeff Saturday knows the feeling of being thrown to the wolves haha
The play where he purposely fell down was the last straw for me
The Jets have no choice but to play Zack Wilson. They went all in on Rodgers, trades and spending money, they dont have anything to give up for a trade that wouldnt hurt them further. The hope is you can sign someone cheap or get a pity trade for an ok QB
The Jets are not going to win without Aaron Rodgers. Their division is brutal, the AFC is brutal, and there are no great QBs available. Might as well play Zach Wilson, and get a high draft pick in offseason
Zach Wilson is better known for being a cougar hunter than a NFL QB 😂
Facts💯
@@vulcanraven9701 Exactly. Either lose with him or try to blow the team up again for a bottom 15-20 qb and a chance at getting a wildcard spot.
How don’t they have a choice? Are y’all dumb
Shannon sharpe said it hit different when Zach Wilson don’t eat da Whoops. It hit different
I love Stephen A on ESPN 👏🏽 😂
Ni*** you know how crazy it is to hear the best Quarterback that ever played for your team!!? Bro that’s insane
"Fans that buy the paraphernalia, and come to the games.."
🤔 They DO have to be excruciatingly painful to watch sober but, lol I think he meant to say "memorabilia" 😂😂 love Shannon
Wait a minute, did I just see Zack Wilson give up and cold sit down on the field in the middle of a play😂😂😂😂
Yes you did, Your eyes were not playing tricks on you.
This is a good segment
Zach Wilson gets buried while Fields gets a million excuses
With Shannon Sharpe on Stephen A is invisible. If only we could mute his mike. Perfect show.
I absolutely hate the hate on Zach wilson. You know why the jets have sucked for so long? It’s the fans ability to turn on ur players faster than any other team and all it creates is negative stigma that effects the whole team. Show some loyalty and maybe things will change.
If i was a Jets fan I wouldn't watch anymore games for the rest of the season
Dude, I know u didn't play football.. I saw u throw a baseball...😂😂😮😮
That thumbnail 😂
Zach Wilson needs to GTFO of Dodge NOW. Regardless how good or bad he is as a QB, there is no way he is gonna win in such a toxic environment.
Shannon’s car analogy was funny 😂 7:22
They try so hard to look out for Zach, and they don't talk the same on Justin Fields.
He can read defensive schemes. His processor is missing a few micro chips. He starts to glitch when those big scary dudes start to come after him.😂😂😂
Heres the thang Stephen A sneezing in the middle of my soliloquy bless ya dont do it no mo skip
I keep telling people is the Ninja turtle headband he wear 😭😭🙌
I didn't know Maury povich did nfl commentating 😂😂😂😂
Bills fans mad to see stephen a bashing their daddy like this
ESPN's lighting for Sharpe - needs to be revised.
Jets really should have tried harder for Derek Carr
Jeff Saturday. Voice of reason. Keep the players, Salah and Hackett, wait for Rodgers return. Well said.
Jeff is back baby!! 😂
Coaching doesn't get enough hate in NY. They have players, they need leaders now for the young guys and a qb
1:48 bless you
Saleh's support of Zach Wilson is going to cost the team a season.....
I’m not a Wentz guy, I thought he was overrated after 2017, but he would be far better even at this stage than Zach Wilson. They should sign him.
I can't argue Carson Wentz 27Td 11Int Passer rating 100
They should sign Colt McCoy maybe.
He won’t do any worse. Always been a solid backup.
Why would Wentz want to be behind that offensive line. I don't think he would want to. It's going to be hard for any veteran QB to want to behind that turnstile
@@Terror832 He never been good he got drafted in 07
I agree with Jeff.
Why does Pat look & sound like he’s giving some southern wildlife tour guide
It hit different when Unk been watching FYB JMANE lol
I won't lie - I like that vest!
Just imagine if they had replaced that Astroturf with grass 10 years ago?
Crazy thing is Namath would be Zach if he played in todays game
But with just fields. “It’s coaching “ 😭
Joe namath has more career INTs than TDs 😂😂
Unc got bars for days 😂
Rex Ryan thinks he should stay😂
" ...do you save one and loose fittytwo " 🤔 ..thats deep lol
Correct me if I am wrong, but the Jets have scored 3 touchdowns in 3 games. That is absolutely attrocious, especially for a team that was supposed to be so elite. How did they go from this elite team to this bottom-feeder, lucky to get another win team, just because the starting qb went down and the backup is the number 2 overall pick. That means the quarterback is a problem, Zach Wilson is a problem. I think this game against the Chiefs will be the last time we see Zach Wilson in a Jets uniform, or best case scenario, last time on the field.
I’m happy that Pat finally found a shirt! I can take his opinion a little more seriously now. Thank you for dressing better!
Not a jets fan but they should just tank and get a good young qb that can sit behind rodgers next year
I’m a jets fan unfortunately and definitely agree
You really think Aaron Rodgers gonna be " HIM" @41?
They’ve tried that how many times now? I would feel bad for whoever is next
Thats a good strategy but that team has a lot of loud personalities and i dont think they’ll stand tanking
@@stevens26 compare Zach’s stats between Jamarcus Russell and even Sam darnolds time with the jets and Sam had no targets no run game no line no defense and Adam gase , Zach Wilson is historically terrible
Shannon the fans take their teams more seriously than the actual owners . It hurts us just as much especially the fans that have been here since we were little kids.
why does namath appear like a bobblehead LOL
It's not Zach fault one he needs a better offensive line,Zach needs to be developed not destroyed by the media
That’s what I’m saying. How many quarterbacks throughout this league has been ruined because of bad lines and bad coaching. Get him a line and see what he can do
O-Line SHOULD be better and he needs to make QUICKER DECISIONS, he looks better with an open field, HE NEEDS TO RUN, he had different occasions to run straight out the pocket, HE CHANCES TO PUSH NE to fallback a bit, instead of a constant constant constant PRESSURE
😂
I agree… I think it’s unfortunate because the Jets have done NOTHING to help in his development as a player. Even watching last year, the Jets offense doesn’t tailor to his strengths because they have done anything to know his strengths.
Nobody talked about plan B before season start, but SAS does now… figures 😂
Zach wilson makes Sam Darnold look like Montana.
The Zach Wilson/JaMarcus Bustell stat comparison is even more hilarious considering JaMarcus was a blubbery, out-of-shape drug addict who didn't study the playbook or game film (the infamous "Blank DVD" Scandal) and Zach Wilson is none of those things. Rob Saleh has exhausted all of his pathetic post game conference excuses for Zach, so now he's falling back on flat-out lying to our faces about ZW's progress. It's so transparent, and it's a damning rebuke on the way the Jets organization thinks of the fans & the media. If the Jets want to lie to themselves about the fate of their season, they are well within their rights, but like Smith said, "Don't spit in my face and tell me it's raining."
Cleaning house at week 3 is wild 😭
Zach Wilson is the Ben Simmons of the nfl
Ben Simmons is an excellent defender. Atleast he has some upside.
Is no one else offended by smith's bizarre step-and-fetchit affectation?
What wrong with tanking for a better QB.they have multiple options if they tank.
There is a huge difference between JaMarcus Russell and Zach Wilson!! Jamarcus was supposed to be transcendent!!! Zach Wilson was a question mark To just about everyone other than the Jets
True but there were still a ton of "analysts" who were marveling at his talent and thought he would develop into an elite qb, Simms, Jeremiah, Romo and others.
Can espn please give shannon an extra day ?
Can Anyone Explain Why on 4th & 10 With Game on Line Zach Threw a "3" Yard Pass?....What Was The Point of That
He did that multiple times on 3rd or 4th and long and it drove me mad
"Must be the o line"
Dat sneeze tho
Shannon. You said it!!! Brillant!
After he said he didnt feel bad for his team when he scored only 3 points made me not feel any empathy for the guy.
For you not to blow your nose at the first chance and continue to sniffle 🙄that LA nose candy is dandy🤣🤣🤣
It’s hard for a defense to hold up when they come off the field and 4 plays later they’re right back on the field.
The fact folks want the defense to hold a team down for a full season … what about the offense for a full season . Cuz last year the defense won all them games . And now we askin the defense to go out and do it again but better . Where is the accountability for the offense since last year … y’all buggin
As a Jets fan, I am wondering alternative to the Jets have? As 1000 people before me have pointed out, they have no draft capital they use that on Aaron Rodgers, and they have probably no willing trading partners if they did.
Grab Carson Wentz. Maybe it doesn’t work but try something especially when it looks
Ike given even a mediocre QB you can make the playoffs and do some damage.
Don't forget no cap room good backups make at least $5 million. I'm not even sure Wentz would sign for $10 million.
@@Paul-vf2wl that too.