Movie Theaters Are Dead: WB To Launch All 2021 Movies On HBO Max
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Well, they're living up to their name: Home Box Office.
As if that wasn't enough obvious
Dang it. How did I never notice it
All part of the of the grand plan!
Nailed it 🤣
Lmao
Sadly, I was predicting something like this would happen. This sucks. I really don't want the theater experience to go away because going to the cinema is one of those things that helps take my mind off of the negative shit going on in the real world, and to hear that it might potentially go out of business thanks to the damage left on our society by the pandemic just makes me feel sad.
I think the pandemic only accelerated things. The technology has been available for a while and while the movie theaters were suppressing competition by banding together to enforce the theatrical window sooner or later that was going to fail.
Its not like all movie theaters will dissappear maybe less and smaller and maybe making more effort to be clean and quiet.
Same. I would go to movie theaters to escape. Also see anime films.
Hopefully this means the theatres that actually clean their spaces, don't overcharge for food and drinks, and kick noisy people out will survive , cause now the theatres would have to provide a better service to compete
Dev Rod if u a smart person u would go to your local shop buy snacks and sneak em in.
@@henry3153 the fact we have to do that says all you need to know about the movie theatre industry. Everything is overpriced, even tickets.
For the first time in history us pirates and movie goers watch movies at the same time globally 😂
@@blipmachine yeahh I dont think so . I'm pretty sure this is a new paradigm shift.
@@blipmachine if i could get it legally in my country i would buy it, but else i will pirate the shit out of it. Not because i don't want to spend the money, but because they don't let me legally spend the money by not having their services in my country.
@@blipmachine Disney + is in enough countries to avoid a massive piracy effect. Unlike WB where it’s only online in the US. Here in Canada, we’ll pirate WW84 and the other WB titles as we have no other way to watch at home like they can in the States
I'm going to pirate the 💩 out of every single release
Lets be honest here if you were couldnt afford or didnt have access to these movies in the first place they would be pirated any when the blue ray came out of the loose money its not because of piracy its the lack of interest of the more fortune( not giving a f**k that the can now stream it)
I want a Disney+ or Netflix add on where I can drop by the local theatre to watch an episode, new release, or classic on a big screen with an audience.
We weren’t going to see any billion $ movies any time soon.......
This is an indication of this
the days of billion dollar blockbusters is gone....they will need to come up with new comparable metrics.
Not necessarily. They kinda have it going on with music and the way streams of songs and albums equate to purchases.
@@KingPepeLePew True that there won't be any billion dollar movies soon, but you people are forgetting about avatar 2. That will save movie theaters again whenever the hell that comes out. It's the first movie being made to made a 3D imax experience without glasses. It will make a billion dollars easy. But that's probably a 2022-2023 film, will theaters last that long? I think some will yes but a good portion of them will shut down
@@xlmlghazexl1005
Not enough people. People will either watch it illegally or watch it on disney plus. Also the ticket prices will not be affordable because owning that much space is too expensive.
@@tazatom owning a cinema over the past few years will have been taxing. Studios leaving so little on the ticket stub for the movie house forced them to cut screen times, movie ushers, cleaning staff and jack up the prices of candy, soda and pop corn to eye watering prices. The forces are conspiring against cinemas at the moment an it would take a Herculean effort for them to rise back to their former glory so i'm not holding my breath. There will be some cinema chains who may survive this but the big screen landscape will be forever changed.
I think there is a misconception on Disney+. Yes, we adults love Mandalorian and many of the upcoming shows. But I think most people subscribe to D+ because it allows them to put their kids in front of the telly with an ease of mind no other streamer can give them. D+ very efficiently turns the name Disney into money, not because of the content, but because of the mindset it conveys. And kids love it. They have no problem watching Frozen three-times in a row. The mature shows then add to this and give the adults (who pay the monthly fee) an added incentive to sign-up. (Or rather the other way-round: we want to watch Mandalorian and the benefit 'for our kids' - which, in reality, is mostly our own benefit - makes it an overall good - and smart - thing to sign up). There is a reason why Disney puts many shows not on D+ but on Hulu, and why they will introduce an additional service (Star) next year, so not to fumble with these dynamics.
Yeah, we will see how much work Disney actually put in for other countries. The content have to appel to them too. Strangest thing I heard was that a show can be viewed in American Disney+ with language from Sweden. But in Sweden they are not availalbe. Some people are getting impatient for old content actually, people who wants to be nostalgic.
*BOONK GANG SQUISHY GANG*
Agreed!!!!!
@@Ahturos A D+ account works all over the world, but you only get the content that is licensed for the region you are in at the moment. All the languages and subtitles that are attached to a movie or episode can be watched anywhere. (which is smart, because there are many non-native speakers i.e. in the US, who now can access content in their mother tongue.)
I assume much of the older content will be added over time, but for now is still stuck in license deals with other platforms or broadcasters in various countries.
Are you talking about Hotstar? It was a fox owned company but is now disney
I’m out of a second job today. I’ve been working as a usher for 4 years. 😔
Our theatre closed in March, looks like it won’t open now.
I'm sorry
Sorry to hear that. F this COVID-19.
@@neoxsupreme blame the Chinese
I Love The Theater Experience 😭
I Don’t Want Theaters To Go Out of Business... 😭😭😭😭
THIS IS ALL TRUMP AND CHINA FAUIT FOR STARTING THIS DAMN COVID!😠😡🤬
No beer, no pizza, you have to wear clothes, you can't pause the movie and you can't talk. This is some suffering that the future generations won't have to experience.
@@mrrandom1265 Really? No social? Theaters protect illegal piracy..and with airconditioned..and pop corn...falling in line excited to watch...with friends..example..even u do cook at home and prefer ur food..if there is a massive event u go outside and go to a restaurant..
Theaters won't go anywhere, just like arcades haven't gone anywhere. Granted, arcades have been reduced, but when you go to an arcade in 2019 they have restaurants, bars, modern video games against classic cabinets, merch, it's a multimedia venue and that's how they thrive. That's what theaters need to do.
Now, people like us, people who won't get on the phone or talk during movies or juul in the theatre can still go to theaters to see Dune or Matrix or the cinematic masterpiece coming up known as Tom and Jerry, when they drop in theaters, while the slobs who talk the whole time or get on their phone or whatever might be can stay at home. Or, someone on a strict budget can still go see the highly anticipated The Suicide Squad on the big screen but this Dune film? Hmm, I don't know much about that one, not sure if I'll like it, so instead of wasting 30 bucks on tickets, snacks, etc to go out, I can try it at home to see if I like it. Maybe if I like it enough, I'll go see it again in the cinema once its off of HBOMax. Sure, theaters may take a hit, but there are positives to this situation and I would appreciate it if it's talked about a little more, like the guys on Double Toasted did
The idea of theaters going the way of the arcade is a bad sign. I grew up in the 80s and remember having several arcades within two miles of my home. Now there isn't a single true arcade near me. Sure there are bars and restaurants that offer the "arcade experience" but they aren't what I grew up with. They aren't the place where kids could hang out after school or on the weekends. I fear the same will happen to movie theatres. They'll be smaller, possibly more upscale but lose the mass appeal they once had.
This doesn’t help the millions of people who work for these theaters. Just so Warner’s can Hoover up more of the Geek dollar they are making a decision that will throw people out on the street during the aftermath of a pandemic. No fuck given by Warner’s though
The only positives are for members of the PMC who still have disposable income. Again working class employees at parks, theaters etc are the ones who get screwed
Fuck streaming man
31 Alrightamya lol it’s easier to watch with endless content
This video was Billiant! Glad I I found you again after Collider pooped the bed.
"Turn Out the Lights, the party's over"
The only problem is piracy. You can just wait one day after streaming release and it's available to pirate.
I’ll do that in order to make them stop this shit
This new Streaming eliminates the need for pirating
There is a appeal for the surround sound and the movie popcorn that comes with theaters. As long as theaters have that, I do not think theaters will die off, or at the very least, die slowly.
I totally agree! You can rent a movie at home for like $5 but the same movie at the cinema would be $10-$15. It's more expensive because you're not just paying to see the movie, you're paying for the use of the seat, the big screen, the great surround sound system and an entire experience. Going to the cinema is an event like going to a concert or musical/play. The experience is something I don't think will ever die
@@Charzhino Plus what they’d spend on one movie with food and popcorn it would pay for a whole year of HBO Max
@@edsta714 $15 times 12 is how much?
Theaters have to be about the experience now, not just the movies. I'd love to be able to see the season premieres and finales of big shows in the theater. Also big sporting events. A theater that sells beer could make a _killing_ at the Super Bowl or Stanley Cup.
@@Complex757 I’ll see your $15 * 12 and raise you a family of 5 IMAX tickets $100 minimum right there, popcorn and a drink each, another $50 at least so yea $180 for a year of HBO Max doesn’t seem so bad.
I hope they Dont.
I don’t think this is gonna make any difference All the people who love going to the theatre will still go to theatres and if this Vaccine works we could slowly get back to normal, so I’m not worry
The paranoia will still exist and the vaccine only works if the virus doesn’t mutate. So no you shouldn’t expect going to the theater anytime in the next couple years
Lots of people only go to the theaters because its the only way to see a new movie. If they have the choice to stream it many will. Yes some people will want to go for the experience but some people just want to see the film and don't particularly like the cinema experience.
@@101Mant exactly
The only reason I used to go to a theater is because I couldn't wait. I never enjoyed it. I'd rather watch a movie and order a pizza, have a beer and pause the movie to chat with my friends. Plus, most people in Western countries are broke AF and they don't have the money to go watch movies.
Hello-
another thought. i can't see anyone who considers themselves a true movie buff preferring to see Dune for the 1st time
on their computer rather than at the AMC Lincoln Square IMAX auditorium.
How much of the audience are true movie buffs? Plus a lot of people have increasingly better home setups. Its not their computer but a large HD TV and 5.1 surround sound. Look what happened with music, MP3s were not the quality of CDs or vinyl but convince was the killer feature and digital music and streaming dominated everything else.
Some people will want the whole experience for some movies but many won't and nor everything is a blockbuster. Maybe Dune is worth seeing on a big screen but a comedy? A character driven drama?
I’ve been waiting decades for this reboot and I love the idea of seeing it on my tv instead of the theater. If I need to rewind to hear something or piss there’s no issue. No screaming fans clapping for no reason. I love this
@@101Mant Indeed, like for us that we consider ourselves movie buffs, we're only a 10% fraction of the entire 90% of the regular moviegoing audience, they don't give a flying f0ck about the type of movies they see, they just go for the entertainment
It's ohk. You can still call yourself movie buff. Gen-z never got to watch old classics like godfather, pulp fiction on theatre. They've watched it on their TV or computer or mobile yet everyone who understands movies loves such classics.
Bond,F9 and BW MUST go to theaters in April-May to revive theaters
No chance we will in a good place pandemic wise
@@danbaz13 But still, those are still major cinematic movies. And MGM needs, and I mean NEEDS, to make that money from NTTD
@@danbaz13 we have a vaccine coming this month so maybe. In Canada it's completey fine. I saw Freaky and Tenet two times.
@@danielneil237 fauci says going to take till end of 2021 till we going to see real results
It'll take more than that to revive the movie theaters.
"This is the beginning of the end"
-Nine Inch Nails
Year Zero
2007
*BOONK GANG SQUISHY GANG*
I feel more and more like John Marston...
Good for you
In what way?
“Our time has passed...”
@@alexman378 in the way of seeing the future and don't liking it and being the last ones
Kinda like a man out of time like Captain America
Me too
With all these sleazy tactics from all these streaming services, second giant wave of content piracy would be just a matter of time.
And I am okay with that.
Hell yeah brother.
Kodi on my fire stick lol
Hell yeah, rebel against the entertainment monopoly.
People have been pirating games for decades and it's still a giant industry.
This is gonna force Disney’s hand
Disney is going to have to put some of their major movies on Disney plus.
Black widow here we come!!!!!
They are going to put their fox movies on Disney ➕
They don't have to do anything. They have 60M subscribers with almost no content lol WB is desperate and Disney is not. Disney wants to make you pay for the content 2 or 3 times. They want you to see it in theater, buy it on disc, and watch it on Disney plus. Disney may throw the customers some bones during the pandemic but they don't want to release movies on Disney+ unless they make you pay like Mulan.
@@ruzaroos
Disney has a ton of legacy content.
But with this power move from WB..... they are going to have to do something to keep up
@@toh786 Yeah that sounds like Disney. Pay for it with premier access and keep paying for it with your subscription. They will probably release it in theaters too. There's no reason not too.
@@ruzaroos agree
I’ve got Disney plus, Amazon prime, CBS all access. I dropped Netflix to get HBO Max.
I would have dropped Disney + because it hasn’t nearly as many good films as all the other streaming services
@@doncorleole2356 I almost did, but I'm holding out for the MCU shows. Plus I still get a kick out of watching The Simpsons.
@@doncorleole2356 True
I got hbo max the first day dropped Netflix and D+ package
@@santiagov7163 yea..netflix sucks nowadays
John, I see your points and I COMPLETELY DISAGREE
The death of the theaters? They said the same thing in the 1950s with television, the 1980s when the VCR was invented and again in the 2000s with DVDs. People will go to movie theaters. No one can afford an IMAX screen in their home or the Dolby experience. People will go to the movies to be "immersed" in the world that is presented to them rather than have a million distractions that surround them. And when this is all over, people will want to go out. And they will. And they will go to the movie theaters.
Thanks for this video, I've been searching for a video on future of cinemas in 2021, you greatly covered it all
I think theaters will rebound. I for one can’t wait for theaters to open back up and for this pandemic to be over! People will return.
We have to BELIEVE
That’s more of an opinion than an actual fact
Don't forget the stock-pilers. A lot of people let content pile up then grab a month of a given service to watch all the originals and exclusives. This doesn't allow those people to catch all the new movies in a single month of service.
There will always be theaters that show blockbusters and event films
Warner Bros. be like, “Hold My Beer” 🍺
Not gonna lie, this makes me really sad. Our society is so obsessed with “convenience” it’s obscene
I mean, it's nice having a washing machine, and microwave, and air conditioning, and cars, of course people are obsessed with convenience. It's pushed our society forward
Dev Rod not really we have grown to used to easy access it’s made us lazy
You're just mad because you can't bother people out side anymore
Boba Gucci ye I am tbh 🤣 but what ever u just enjoy staying in your room watching your shitty hbo
@@lexis4490 yeah. It’ll be more money less quality and more data caps. We lose.
I LOVE John Campea class! He is so articulate and intelligent. If he didn’t do a RUclips show, I think he could have made a fantastic Professor
Streaming Services are the future. Look at gaming, Sony and Microsoft have their subscription services and I'll still go to the theaters but it is changing.
Theatres will bounce back. Again, all this is mostly temporary. The Studios still support the theatrical window. Again, we just have to wait and see.
@Ricky Nuggets Granted, theatres will still be around, just that there won't be that many.
I think this makes sense because the only ppl going to the movies now are ppl like me who are cinephiles, and as a cinephile, I have hbomax, and I'm gonna watch Dune, Matrix, WW etc streaming, and if I LIKE IT I'm gonna REWATCH it in the theater just for the experience (especially Dune) so they're getting their money on both end from non movie goers on streaming and cinephiles on streaming and Theaters 🎥 🤔
Exact opposite for me. First viewing *MUST* be on the big screen. HBO Max will only be acceptable for repeat viewings
@@AP-hn8wd I agree. I've spent some major money setting up my living room into a very nice movie viewing experience. It may take alot for me to go back, and I like going to the movies theatre.
@@AP-hn8wd @megapodtastic I live in LA where there's literally no theaters open within a 30 mile radius so I wouldn't be able to take advantage of a theater experience if I wanted to but nation wide alot of theaters are still open so I think WB is pulling a smart move by doing this. The new normal will see ppl upgrading their living rooms more if this goes on past a year of 2021
As a cinephile shouldn’t your first viewing be in the theater.....
@@TheJakescott1515 it would be if theaters were open in LA or OC but they aren't so streaming is my only option, but with them doing this for a whole yr hopefully in a few months I'll be able to do both
This whole thing is absurd. AFAIK, Movie theaters are not, repeat NOT going anywhere. Throughout the decades, the theatrical experience, has had hard times; like when during the post war era when the television revolution caused a SIGIFICANT drop in movie attendance, and some of the old movie palaces that ran cartoons and newsreels before the film had to close, but did
the theaters dissapear altogether, not they did not. So, I have ever reason to believe the theaters WILL bounce back stronger than ever before, as had happened in the past.
if HBOmax has a 1 year subscription plan, it's going to be a crazy hit, if you look at it...
In the past, movie studios owned their own theaters. During the 1950's, US government lawyers declared it illegal under antitrust laws, so independently owned cinemas became possible. Should studio owned streaming services also be illegal?
Hope it doesnt go well so that 2022 theaters reoping streaming for everyone is still years away
U can still watch all the movies on theatre, U know.
@Angel Gonzalez Lopez Agreed. That's the part people are missing. All this is mostly temporary.
I think I will go to the theater and instead of streaming I will pirate a lot because I want them to know what moving to streaming means
@Angel Gonzalez Lopez Hahahaha, kinda supporting theaters?, riight
I think the only thing left for theater owners to do is develop the hell out of those 3D or 4D or maybe even 5D movie technologies...you know, just make the theater experience a unique, special, and somewhat premium experience for people, and try everything they can to add some significant extra value to the movie-viewing experience. That's the only thing I can think of. Maybe James Cameron is thinking about that in terms of the future avatar movies. If everything is on the stream services, what about those future avatar movies that claim to utilize the latest 3D technologies? Can they support that on the stream platforms?
3D Tvs will never be a thing... James Cameron will have to reconsider his plans
Even 2-3 months ago, you were saying people like me were crazy saying 'This would hasten the death of theatres and they would simply move to streaming faster because why keep the middleman that's losing attendance and pricing themselves out of business in regions?' because "The studios NEED the theatres to make all these billions they make to make films and all" - even though back in June and really, April/May some of us knew people weren't going to do what they were told, and that this was going to drag on this long, and force the studio's to release some things if not all to streaming which was the obvious long term plan, and was going to be hastened because yeah - they own the content unlike Netflix. RMB had a far more generous timeline than me at 10 years I figured the original plan at 5 years now accelerated to within the next year or two.
I’m scared for Movies in general.
If a studio releases 10 movies in 2020, all of them go to streaming, and make 10 Million against 100 Million dollar budgets, only to be called “a success”
It’s only a matter of time before the bombing of entire release slates forces studios to make budget cuts, people lose jobs, and movies just stop being made, because the amount of Money they have to pay the lead actor alone will exceed how much the movie is even going to make.
Exactly
It’s only the nail in the coffin if they are able to make the same amount of money (or more)
Nope. Even if they make just half the money they did before, at the end of the 2021 if they stop releasing movies to HBO Max all those subscribers they sacrificed to gain will leave. And people will be less likely to go to the theaters to see WB movies since they're used to getting them at home without the ticket price. WB is locked into this now. I don't think they'll be able to back out in 2022. Plus if theaters close down in 2021 which they likely will, there still may be no open theaters to release to in 2022 anyway. If disney keeps theaters alive through 2021 MAYBE WB can back out, but I think disney will pivot to D+
The only way amc survives is if they can give you a better movie experience in theaters than at home, thats pretty tough to do nowadays with vr and 8k tv's, in order to compete they'll have add better food services, make movies in 5D, or something crazy like force feedback seats, i think they've already started to provide vr at theaters for those who cant afford it or dont know how to set it up, gl to them maybe they'll come up with something kool and unexpected
Big Box movie theaters are DUNZO!!!
Once everyone buys a big screen tv (75 or 85 Inch) and gets used to watching new releases at home for "free", they ain't going back to the movie theater ever again.
how the hell dune is gonna make money now
I have absolutely no effing idea, how that, Godzilla vs Kong and even Matrix 4 will make money, because I bet you that their production companies like Legendary Pictures and Village Roadshow Pictures won't sit in a corner relaxed and be like: "Yeah, go for it WB, its our money but we don't give a crap". Like no way in hell they will be okay with this
This fucking sucks I wanted a sequel to dune
If all movie theaters shut down forever, my best friends & I will be heartbroken. We live miles away from each other's houses and theaters have always been a more convenient place to meet.
Endgame’s box office ain’t getting topped now LOL.
Endgame truly was the end
@@kavehteimory6413 Sadly it’s a garbage movie from a garbage franchise.
@@EmiXHE stay mad
@@kavehteimory6413 Poor little sheep 😂, aren’t you supposed to be consuming?
@@jonathanpascua15 Considering that the response wasn’t even dedicated to you, I guess you’re the one that is mad because not everyone is praising what you do, buy hey, probably a lot of kids do, go talk to them about it 😂
No! Movie theaters are still going to live! Stop this madness
They are overpriced and useless.
I do envision stocks por home entertainment equipment (home screens, projectors, sound) will go the hell up.
I dont think so, because there's a lot of directors like patty Jenkins christopher nolan, who make movies for the theater they love cinema, and if WB want to keep working with them, it's going to do that.
The major movies I believe it's going to be on cinema but the lesser ones to HBO max and in theaters
I just upgraded my Home Theater at the right time.
If theaters survive this, I really hope they make a change to a lot of the crap we've had to deal with for years already, like overpriced tickets and food, disrespectful audience members, strict "no outside food" policies, overabundance of intro movie trailers, etc. Time for the theater experience to make a fresh start and get rid of the things that ruined the experience for so long.
John’s streaming profits breakdown was AMAZING. It’s so obvious HBO Max’s subscriber strategy won’t just stop at the end of 2021
Movie theaters are not dead, let’s stop the theatrics😂😂 the amount of money endgame made can never be made on streaming for a single film
Exactly. And Disney and WB know that
I beg to differ. If every family that paid to watch a movie like End Game in the theater instead paid a subscription fee to watch it on the ONLY platform it was available, the studio would probably make even more money in the long run.
@@queithkao7649 but it’s a onetime subscript fee and hbo max subscriptions are so low rn
@@mscooldeadly who is wrong?
But a single film is irrelevant if D+ can get a consistent 7-9 Billion a year from subscribers they will take that. Like for HBO MAX what’s the odd all 17 movies get a billion. Now if HBO MAX has consistent subscribers they could make 7 billion consistently every year. They spend less on advertising and don’t have to give the theaters a cut.
I will repeat the same quote I used back in April with Trolls: World Tour and it's becoming more and more eventual every day since then:
”Half of something is better than the nothing that you came here with.”
- Ramsay Bolton, Telltale's Game of Thrones
I’d still rather see movies in the theater. Joker on iMax had a much greater impact than it did at home. Certain movies must be seen in a theater.
Agreed
I actually think it's super hilarious to come back to this video in 2023, knowing the day-date strategy totally flopped, and knowing how much John and crew now pan this decision as one of the worst ideas in film history, and knowing movie theaters are here to stay. I wonder when the transition happened, because John today would never call this idea "brilliant." Crazy what knew information will do to us all.
Why is HBO not so widespread outside the US? I believe they would make a lot of money if they went global like Netflix same thing with Disney plus
The incremental gain from subscriber gains from a single title is still less than the profit on a 800m theatre release. I think it's amazing for them for the year to gain subscriber base while covid has theatre revenue non existent....but I don't see why they wouldn't go back to theatre releases when things are back to normal.
Even if only half of the people (say about 30 million) that would have gone to watch those movies at the theater subscribed to HBOMax for the year that would generate a monthly income of about $450 million, probably similar to the studios share of an $800 million box office (if HBOMAX was available world wide).
If, in future, the only way to watch movies produced by a studio, is to stream them on the platform of the studio, most if not all of the people that would have gone to the theater will end up subscribing to the platform, generating a similar or perhaps a better profit for the studios.
Sorry, but it's the end of theaters as we knew them - and the writing was on the wall.
Over the past 4 years I have taken my family to the Drive-In way more than the regular movie theater. It is always packed. Only problem is they are only open for 1/2 the year.
**Laugh's in money** DISNEY- *Also laughs in money*
And alot of us in the USA complained and wrote off jean-claude van damme for doing direct to video movies in the early 2000's.. Are they amazing movies? No. But streaming and watching at home is now suddenly this big thing. I dont want to subscribe to HBO max just to watch Justice League. I'm traditional, I love going to the movies.
Honestly it’s so hard. For me, because studios are finding ways to make movies and then release them to make money, we’re keeping the film industry alive. With movie sets taking precautions, the only issue was getting the movies out instead of sitting on a shelf, delaying or even scrapping projects as a whole cuz theaters aren’t open or people don’t feel safe going to a theater yet. So films live, but at the cost of movie theaters. If studios just sat on all of the projects already paid for and either in production or already wrapped up, they’d go bankrupt, and theaters wouldn’t have any news movies to show. But now studios and distributors are finding ways to make money on their projects, and theaters will die as a result. It’s the future, it’s change, and it sucks, but I’d rather have studios be able to make and release their movies than save the movies for theaters and go bankrupt in the process.
Now you will see a massive push and rise in home theater set ups
Well theaters had a good run. Lasted longer than record stores!
To expand upon Robert’s comment on adding to the cash flow from HBOMAX Subscriptions...I foresee budgets being slashed and monitored weekly and if they release shows weekly or in phases they can adjust/expand or shrink budgets in post-production phases affecting special VFX. If a streaming show doesn’t meet its expected viewership target they can forego expensive final completion of VFX, and other shots, as opposed to completion in toto. Producers/editors will need to have different edits, economical to full budget.
I am a fan of seeing movies in the theater, so I will go to the theater myself when I am interested in seeing a movie. WB/HBO max has to build up their content to get subscribers. This will help, but they will have to add to it to keep subscribers (which lends credence to John's comment on this idea will continue). Disney has a huge library of legacy material to draw from along with two entities- Star Wars and Marvel- that have volumes of stories waiting to be told as well as plenty of vested fans waiting for those stories. I don't see HBO keeping the interest up even with the 17 movies coming straight there. Especially since the moves range in genre's like they do. No one wants to see all 17 of the movies that will be released by WB.
Here thing HBOmax only did it because CEO of Warner bros told them put 2021 titles onto HBOMAX for those who have HBOmax membership and live where theaters closed. However it back fires big time tick lot people off now Warner media might have to step in do something about major mistake Warner bros CEO they hired did which upset so many. As well about her firing Johnny Depp.
Wouldnt it of made more sense to release in theaters only for 30 days and then release to hbo max that way they still get their theater opening weekend numbers and month numbers?
John made one big mistake. This wasn't WB's decision. It was AT&T's.
I'm sorry, but there's no way I wont still go to the movies for the big tent pole films. Nothing can beat seeing star wars or infinity war on opening night in a packed theater.
Still going to see Godzilla vs King, Dune, and Matrix 4 in theaters. Then watch them a dozen more times at home.
What I want to see is what will the other three will do, CBS - CBS All Access/Paramount Plus, Showtime - NBC/Peacock, will they put their big films onto each of these platforms?
How will it work overseas as we can’t get HBO max in the UK. Will these movies be Cinema release only or on a different streaming platform?
I honestly think alot of theaters will close but the theaters that will stay around and will be used by mass audiences for the BIG movies. Avatar 2 being a example, I highly doubt that will be a VOD. Yeah that's a year or two away still but BIG movies will keep theaters alive. Sadly marvel doesn't have a Huge hits coming out for awhile, yes doctors strange and thor 4 but the Avengers movies are the Big ones. Which isn't even on the release slate for the next few years.
Very well analyzed John
What about the international markets where theatres are still closed in parts of Ontario, Canada
AMC needs to start making large screen TVs or projectors and surround sound systems unfortunately
Disney will follow suit
No people won’t pay $10.00 x5 other more platforms a month, not when they can pirate it and cost them billions. Cinemas prevented piracy a lot companies need to acknowledge that.
I think they will lose money Because that family of ten will now just pay for hbo max and invite all there friends over for movie night.
@@tiffanymorrell7583 that’s a good point too.
Hi John and team hope you guys are great watching this discussion I just have one q, if HBO and Disney are still only available in the American regoins of the world would it not make sense for them to open the service globally if they doing all WB 2021 movie releases on these platforms. We in South Africa are only able to get Netflix and Amazon services and even the Amazon platform doesn't give us the same viewing material that the US has. Would like to hear your input on this as surely global subs would be better than just the American subs to help boost the platform?
I also own AMC stock...not as much as Miss Ann, I'm sure, but I also bought it dirt cheap after COVID shut most of 'em down.
Haven’t bought a new TV since 2011. Might be a very good time to pick up a new TV and upgrade by outdated 40” to watch some these new flicks.
Or buy a overhead projector
This is definitely huge. But I wonder if they'll be adopting the same strategy they are using for Wonder Woman 1984, and releasing those movies one week earlier in international territories. 🤔
and THHISSSS is why i subscribe to Campea and rely on him more than any of others film commentators! Because he really brings superior industry analysis and avoids hollywood rumor mongering
I WILL still support theaters for big FX movies. Nothing better than having a "Daddy/Daughter" date at an MCU or DCEU movie on the big screen but to rush home and watch it again WILL be AWESOME!! Again, i will still support my theaters as they have had THEE BEST memories for me/us :)
yeah its very surprising but its also scary for theatres
As much as I do like going to the movies, having a 3 and 6 year old makes it harder. My wife and I had to go see End Game by ourselves because we couldn't get a baby sitter the weekend it came out and I couldn't wait to see it because spoilers. Also plenty of other movies I missed in theaters for similar reasons. On top of that not dragging your kids to the theatre and letting them watch a brand new Pixar movie on the couch also sounds great. Obviously those without kids or older kids not as much convenience, but for me over the next couple years this is great.
Btw John Disney and Warner bros still have to pay licensing fees for their own content because they have to pay royalties. For example Warner Bros owns shows like the Big Bang Theory and Friends but they still had to pay billions in licensing fees because the actors and creators are owed royalties. Netflix on the other hand doesn’t pay royalties for their original content so it kind of evens out.
We can’t even get HBOMax in the UK
Movie theaters are not dead John far from dead just because this is HBO max thing happening with WB movies does not mean they are dead are you not even looking internationally at other countries and how movie theaters impact enjoyment and the local economy there? No you haven't you need to look at those factors before you say something like this. this only impacts America not the rest of the world because HBO max is only in America it's not like netflix where it's available everywhere in the world same with Disney plus only available in America
ALL streaming services will eventually be available everywhere
@@queithkao7649 I'm not interested in paying for more streaming services it's starting to add up to the cost of cable tv
@@TETRARCHFREAK666 Even if it enables you to watch every new blockbuster movie you want to see for less or the same price as the movie tickets would have cost? Even if it was the only option available to watch those movies?
@@queithkao7649 I like collecting physical media if Iike a movie and there is a physical copy of it I will buy it I don't spend much on movie tickets anyway where I live movie tickets are less than 5 bucks all day everyday and besides I've been stuck at home for several months now cause of the Pandemic like a lot of ther people I want to see new movies in the theaters I can watch and stream movies at home anytime I want I'm not going to pay any where near a hundred bucks for streaming services netflix is already raising their prices
@@TETRARCHFREAK666 But that's you. Everyone is different. There are still many millions of people world wide that would subscribe to as many streaming services as they could, if it gave them exclusive access to new blockbuster movies and series every month.
Spitting fire for 20 mins 🔥
Rob what do you think.... oh poor rob 😉
In the current situation I think it is a smart move, there are no theaters, there is a big demand for new movies, they have a lot of movies ready to get out, and they can promote their streaming service and push it to the top and don't let Netflix be the only place to get new movies.
They have new projects that are on the calendar and every movie that they don't lunch out takes back all the other productions.
I feel bad for the theaters but when this pandemic be behind us they will work like before and the movies will be back in theaters.
The real winners are the viewers.
I want to watch new movis!
WB needs to get HBO Max on Roku soon and accelerate the worldwide rollout of the service like Disney+. If they do both of those things, 2021 will have huge growth for them.
Yarg matey, we be sailing!
In the near future every movie studio big and small will need to have a streaming service. A24, Lionsgate, etc.. this means there's going to be an opening for companies to start catering towards these studios and offer them to build the streaming service for them.
Love it. I was hoping someday finally watch my movies at home 😁. Nothing wrong with theaters but rather pay a little extra to watch it a home count me in. 👌
I thought 4 streaming services was enough but now I am reconsidering.
Time to build a home theater
HBO Max really needs to solve their issues with Roku and the other streaming services which they are not on yet. I have a Roku and I have HBO Now but I don't plan to upgrade to HBO Max until I can watch it on my TV with my Roku. Until they solve that issue they will not get the number of subscribers that they could possibly get.
This comes down to money people! The only chance I see is not for the movie theater companies currently in business. But in 2022 when the current ones go under a new debt free company will come in and get the rent for those same theaters at a fraction of the price
We have a little more than half the subs (for now), however HBO/HBOMAX is $14.99 on average. Disney has undervalued their service in order to gain market share. Not only will their slate be released via streaming, the price will go up substantially.