Jonathan Dimbleby: Putin has bad judgement
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2024
- "I don't think he judges very well."
Vladimir Putin might be a clever manipulator, but he's a poor judge of character, says Jonathan Dimbleby.
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27 million people were not Russian casualties, they were total of Soviet Union. Ukrainians, Belarusians, Georgians, Kazakhs etc. Ukraine alone lost 8 million people. Belarus lost 25% of its population.
So, lets say 'only' 15 million were Russian. That would fill Wembley stadium 190 times. Still an extremely high number and it's within living memory. Can you imagine the effect that had on people? And guess where the invaders came through? Ukraine. Any surprise the Russians are very, very sensitive about Ukraine? The neo-cons in Washington knew exactly what Russia would do if they continued with the plan for Ukraine to join NATO, so I guess they wanted this war.
Putting Stalin on a pedestal and his 'achievements' in WW2 is like putting the Butcher of Teheran on the same pedestal. I think the Polish nation would thank you for setting history 'straight'
He kept saying Russian deaths in WW2 they were Soviet deaths and a percentage Ukraine lost more.
Very good point. And in WW2 Russia was in the position that Ukraine is now, with united, determined, effective fighting for its survival. Except that Ukrainians value life
Good point indeed. Where these russians would end in WW2 if not exeptional commanders and soldiers from other 14 (!) "Soviet" republics?
This Russian narrative is so completely pervasive that even a scholar misspeaks. Many more Ukrainians died in the war - not to mention throughout Soviet occupation - than Russians. Russian has also completely co-opted the most famous Ukrainian scientists, authors, etc. as their own and the world just accepts it.
Putin the Master Strategist….
‘Everything is going to plan”!
It is going to plan. The US will not get missile and naval bases in Ukraine. Ukraine is being demilitarised - its professional army has been killed off, and it cannot raise trained soldiers. Ukraine's economy is wrecked, it cannot survive without western aid; it is a permanent burden on the west. Europe is being de-industrialised. America face de-dollarisation. Sir Vladimir is a master strategist.
"You cannot negotiate with a tiger, with your head in his mouth ", Churchill .
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Yes thus is why Russia cannot trust nato
Plus, do not insult the tiger! Putin and Co are not tigers. They are satans!
It was English intelligence, American industry and Soviet blood that won WW2
Stalin himself has said that the Soviet Union would not have survived if it was not for Lend Lease.
English intelligence not British - how revealing.
The Americans seem to be under some illusion that everyone owes them a favour for that lol 😂
The great power of the internet is making up phrases which have never been said by important people of the past. Stalin never said this. He praised western allies for contribution in common victory over Germany, but he never would had said such a nonsense. There is no reference for this quote anywhere, so…
@@davidjones-wt2qq....The Americans never really wanted to get involved. That's one of the reasons why they immigrated there to get away from endless European wars.
@@user-ho6ng1gw4x AMEN!
Since when was J. Dimbleby an expert on anything other than nepotism and being pompous?
It reads quite clearly you have a chip on your shoulder about this man, please educate yourself and look further than your nose into this man's experiences and history, don't judge because you are not qualified how, would you like someone to judge you without knowing anything about you?
@@peterhenson4048 I am not alone in my opinion and I base my judgements on my observations of Dimbleby’s arrogant and entitled conduct as a public figure over many years.
@@johnappleby405 An opinion is based on only one person and not based on others in my opinion,i have known David for around 40 years and known him to be a truth seeker for that sake but everyone has their own opinion.
Western properganderist
Has been West establishment liar
That casualty disparity speaks more to Soviet/Russian tactics and their lack of value of human life.
Not to mention the rushn' army is a total joke lol
It is thanks to the Soviets that you are not at war with the United States of Germany. Show some respect for the fallen soldiers that gave their lives so we could be keyboard warriors. And not conscripts in a continuing world war. And be thankful they were were our brothers in arms and not allied with Germany.
@@azy6868 America beat two empires simultaneously and could do so again immediately lol.
@@dpelpal You lost in Vietnam to a load of rice pickers then lost in Afghanistan to some goat herders,pmsl USA total joke 🤣🤣🤣
@@dpelpal 🤣🤣🤣
What WWII should teach us - and the guy seems to have no clue about that - is that certain types of “peace” are worse than a war. As they equal graveyards, after the dictators won
Negotiations? With Russia!?! Yeah, after Bucha negotiations will work! Very naive fellow.
You have been lied to. Never trust one sided western media.
Russia is not seeking negotiations. Putin said just because you ran out of ammo, why should we negotiate ?
You don't negotiate with a lying war criminal.
@@johnadam2885 Comrade "john", troll farms aren't keeping their employees up to date. Artillery shells are arriving and ATACMS, Scalps, and Storm Shadows are landing.
Yeah right after the negotiations about russia keeping Alaska.
Ukraine freedom won't be stopped 💙 💛
Especially not by a worldwide joke like the rushn' army 😂
Good luck with that theory 👍🤣
@@davidjones-wt2qq Kind of like putin's _Kyiv in THREE DAYS!_
@@davidjones-wt2qq Putin will end the conflict without assistance due to his incompetence, which he has demonstrated many times, beyond a doubt.
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Seems Ukranian drones are free to roam across the skies of Crimea, unopposed and hit what they wish.
Where is this 2nd military in the world air defence?
Where is the Black Sea Fleet?
Day 818 of the 'ten day Special Military Operation'
'It's all going to plan.'
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5:18 it wasn't just russians soldiers and civilians lives it was soviet soldiers and civilians lives including ukranians, belorussians, kazahs etc.
Wait, when did he say the Baltics weren't in NATO? They've been NATO since 2004.
Yes and Putin started in 2000, so your point is?
@@CubicSpline7713 He said it in the context of the 2022 invasion, not of Putin entering office.
You can tell Dimbleby worked with a Russian on this - load of BS
If after 2 years rushns' can't even take 10% of Ukraine, the 2nd poorest country in Europe, they are losing in slow motion.💯
@@davidjones-wt2qq LOL davidbotski. I'm sure Uncle Joe thinks you are useful.
@@davidjones-wt2qq Oh yes, and rushns' are going to take "Kyiv in THREE DAYS!". Moskva still sails! _Kherson and Kharkiv forever rushn'_ 🤣
They don't want ukraine
@@jb894 No they don't because rushin' army is a complete and total joke lol. Ukraine didn't even have an army 3 years ago and they are winning. It may not be readily apparent, but Ukraine will end up winning.
@@davidjones-wt2qq Cooperating with rushin's and youll end up living with no toilet and a army that is a worldwide joke lol
So, this old apologist said:
1. That thing in the Kremlin will be in power for a long time.
2. "Borders in that part of the world are always changing."
3. We are hurting ourselves by supporting Ukraine.
4. There should be a negotiation with russia.
5. The russians "won't give up Crimea." ...which isn't theirs.
6. We need a "temporary solution" with russia.
Do you think he gets paid directly in rubles? Or do they allow him to get dollars or pounds from the Kremlin coffers to write that whole book? At least there's 1100 pages or babbling I don't have to read. blah blah blah. Next.
7. Give your head a wobble and your ´brain´ a chance and actually fckn _learn_ something about RUS x UKR and its origins, history.
He ought to well remember, since he was nearing mid-life at the time, that the USSR was defeated by US-backed Mujahideen irregulars in the 1979-89 war.
The reason for this fact being so seldom mentioned in the context of the present war escapes me. In the face of it one really ought to hesitate to hint at Russian invincibility.
Well all I can say is don’t ask for Ukrainian help when russia invades your home, and they will.
In the future, it will be more helpful to be friends with Ukraine. It’s all about values. 🇺🇦🇺🇸❤
How about the US land lease for USSR?? Soviets were totally dependable on US land lease.
I'm afraid this historian's interview is a blunder big time..
Only 5% of all the equipment used by USSR was received from US. USA gave UK much more ammunition and vehicles than to USSR. Find the documents, newspapers from that time, and then write this fairy tales
Land lease?
* Lend, not land
@@dixonpinfold2582 Thanks! That makes sense.
Q: What’s the difference between the border crisis in America and the border crisis in rusha?
A: In America people are trying to get in, and in rusha they’re trying to get out.
They have tried to get out of Russia ever since the Bolshevik revolution. It is a common phenomenon. People try and get out of poor economies. Just look at Zimbabwe.
@@robbiemitchell1601 Q: What do you call a rushn' string quartet after returning to rushia' from a visit to London?
A rushn' string duet
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@@robbiemitchell1601 Zimbabwe is an example of Zanu PF lunacy. Zanu party leaders do not fall over, the joy of ballot stuffing in between the joy of currency printing. Turned a prosperous growing country with a future into a disaster area of Zanu PF tyranny.
@@attilamarics3374 "Volunteer" in rusha' means "person grabbed on the street and forced at gunpoint to join rushn' army". 😂
Did this bot upset you little man@@davidjones-wt2qq
Amazing how people just lose their mind when describing a royal figure. Dimbleby didnt describe a person he described a fekkin fantasy saint
If Germany was fighting on one front it would have helped their Russian campaign, but they had forces scattered from Norway to Italy. Also the British and Americans supplied Russia with tens of thousands of vehicles, plane's and ammunition.. lastly British Intelligence gave Russia the information it needed to help them ie Kursk etc.
Johnathan Chamberlain?
We would be speaking German now if he instead of Churchill was pm.
Did Jonathan work out the percentage of USSR soldiers that lost their lives who were Ukrainian?
Huge. Soviet would not have won without Ukraine, that's my bet.
@@vnegativa Totally agree, frontline too.
Chap's name is Jonathan.
@@dixonpinfold2582 Ah, thanks for the correction 🙏❤️ my brain only registered “Dimbleby” and David Dinbleby is (I think) better known 😂 well he is to me at least.
@@bevgroves8062 Ah, I see. His dad, right?
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Russia doesn't want to give up its gains-but we don't always get what we want in life.
Pootin has fantasies. This is his problem...well more the problem of his army really.
Lol 😂 even the British media are saying Ukraine is losing badly 🤣🤣🤣
@@davidjones-wt2qq ruzzia can't invade a neighboring country more than 100Km from its border 🤣🤣🤣
@@Atlantis.Reborn Rushn' army is losing to a country they share a border with. That's even more poor than rushia, and didn't even have an army 3 years ago.
Rushia is a JOKE.🤣
@@dpelpal You going to fight the evil Russians for American co operate business interests and the EU ? Mug 🤣
@@Atlantis.Reborn he didn 't invade , he protecting his coiuntry from NATO pushing to his border, Ukraine Neutral , never be in NATO
So many geniuses in the world. Amazing.
Great man Jonathan D.!!!!!
I would not give 2 pence for his book or his opinion.🙃
Russia was facing a genocidal enemy in WW2, of course they were willing to take so much punishment. The same people have lost many wars across history. Including the 1st chenchain war. ATTACKING PROPLE IS NOT THE SAME AS BEING STTACKED BY A GENOCIDAL POWER!!! Russia doesn’t always do like they did in WW2; in fact most of the time they don’t.
exactly, dimbleby is completely wrong in his analysis because the West is way more powerful now than the soviet union was in WW2. Also Europe was completely destroyed so there was nobody left except the US, UK and Soviet Union therefore relatively speaking the Soviet Union had alot of power. However now you have the combined miltaries of Europe along with the US which are many times more powerful than Russia especially now that Putin has expended so much of the Russian army in Ukraine. Therefore the tables are completely turned the West just needs to show Putin its muscle once and for all
The Soviets suffered so bad in ww2 because of Stalin's purges prior to the war.
Plenty of genocide and ethnic cleansing in Russia's colonial history. Crimea 1944, for example.
@@joesodwe made 400,000 trucks for them.
@@stephenhill545 sure, you won’t find the great champion of “Russia is innocent guys” in me. I’m not sure how all that contradicts what I said though?
Interesting, since Stalin was an allie of Germany while Britain (with her natural allies of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.) was the only European country fighting Germany. No D day? Lots more troops and tanks to oppose the red army.The battle of the bulge would have been fought in Poland.
🤔🤔🤔...hmmmm...🤨🤨🤨....whatever you say, junior. Try to expand your reading list. The comic books will only take you soooo far.
Slava Ukraini! 💙💛
In the west, we see Russia losing half a million soldiers in Ukraine as a failure of the Russian military; in Russia, they see this as more success. I'm fairly sure that Putin would be happy with 2 million Russian soldiers lost. That would be a legacy.
First of all, what is your source of Russia losing half a million soldiers in Ukraine ? It is western media.
What is their credibility ? Did the British media not say the Russians ran out of weapons and are fighting with shovels in Bakhmut; that they do not have precision weapons; that they they are using washing machine chips.
It is clear the west lost the war strategically in 2023 after the failed counter offensive. So only consolation you have is to propagate falsehoods about Russia losing half a million soldiers in Ukraine.
At the end of the your, the defeat of the west will be undeniable. The US will abandon Ukraine.
Oh, we CAN defeat Russia. This guy has done poor history research.
At 5:18 "The Russian casualties in the war, 27 million..." Again and again and again: those were SOVIET, not Russian casualties. There were even more Ukrainian casualties than Russian ones, aside from the casualties from all the other nations enslaved by Moscow in the Russian Empire.
BRILLIANT conclusions !
Has a bad judgement these people who claim to know putin should stop this mess cause clearly they don't know what they are talking about
It would have been very interesting if he transcribe present day videos from the Russian and Ukrainian soldiers and compared to history. The differences between the the two countries’ present day soldiers is astounding.
1943/44 the bombing of Germany had removed Germany as an industrial nation along with transportation, communications, research, development, etc.
WWII cannot be judged by looking at the fronts and what happened to soldiers.
The „glory“ of the Soviet Union winning WWII is a myth.
The Soviet Union could just as easily taken JAPAN! After the U.S. destroyed Japans industry and Navy.
Yeah, soviet union could have taken japan after America completely pacified and defeated the Japanese 🤣
1944 was the year German arms production peaked.
People try to reduce ww2 to simple binaries. I see it as a coming together of many different forces. There were times where they whole thing balanced on a couple of guys /gals getting something right. But that comes together with the big things - like the soviets (and others) and the iron determination of Stalin not to give to beans about them - and you get a victory.
@@dixonpinfold2582 and much good did that do! 😂
@@pgabrieli I was correcting the false claim that German industry had been "removed." I wasn't claiming that Germany won the war. But thanks.
Great review
Wait, whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa.
You mean to tell me "Kyiv in three days" Putin has bad judgement? Say it ain't so! We need to get the news on this one!
Biting sarcasm aside, none of that is to denigrate the points being made (nor the person. except for Putin, who I very much mean to denigrate), because Jonathan is clearly right.
He quite openly bribed the tories; didn't need any secrecy.
Dimbleby is not an historian. We heard all this 'Russia won the war' stuff a few years back from that other non-historian, Oliver Stone.
Russia did win the war mental defect
Putin has bad judgement does he ?? Well F me I never noticed.
Putins done pretty well with his brexit plan, I wouldn't describe him as strategically inept next to our own pathetic leadership.
Two teenager guys tried to mug me by showing me they had a gun (which was in a jacket inside pocket which they flashed ) .
I had about £15 at the time
But it was a public place with plenty of witnesses.
I very rapidly - instantaneously concluded they had poor strategic judgement. And were thus unpredictable.
I concluded that there was no time to give them my wallet, though they were 'welcome' to it .
I knew there were enough hard obstacles to get me out of their firing line in less time than it took first them to de- pocket the gun .
I was a competitive athlete so I knew that by then time it could be deployed - IF they were super decisive , I would be 100 feet away at least in a space instructed by hard objects and then within a second or two around a corner. Then I would be rapidly round corners and opening the distance way beyond any accurate shooting. Perhaps I was wrong I'm no expert.
I say this as if I planned it . I was only conscious of the plan after I left the area. It came together in about 0.75 of a second.
I remember their surprise as I quit the area.
I think they may have thought the deal was You show the universe a gun and the universe yields to your will .
Wheras in reality you show the universe a gun and the universe gets very scared and unpredictable, and you may not have a say in what happens next.
Autocratic behavior...🧠
Temporary! .. the Korean ceasefire was over 65 years ago 😮
South Korea: _Prosperous and rich._
North Korea: Live like rush ins.
@@dpelpal sad but true
A complicated game of chess
Too many pwns
Putin listened to Trump about NATO. Trump strengthened NATO by default.
There are no transcripts of that conversation so, how can you claim that Putin listened to Trump on anything?
The French had the right idea about how to deal with the monarchy
A lesson learned and put into practice by the Soviets against the Russian monarchy.
Madam, Dimbleby was forming an interesting point about Putin being clever yet strategically incompetent, when you cut him off to challenge his assertion that Putin is clever. Do you really think that a dullard could rule Russia? Does the notion of a brutal man being clever offend you? I daresay it does. And that is itself a not very clever thing.
Jeremiah 4:7 The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate; and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant.
I wonder if the Russian historian that helped Dimbleby access the Russian texts for this book research wasn't ,by any chance, Mr Putin's personal research assistant or even an FSB researcher
If his judgement is bad where does that leave Ukraine & the West 🤔
Nothing in warfare "has" to be. If the Ukrainians (and their backers) have sufficient resolve, they can get the Russians out of their country. If not, they won't. But this guy is just as much an armchair general or president as the rest of us.
Resolve isn't enough. They need more more weapons (just as UK did in 1940-41) and they can't make enough themselves; therefore they are dependent on help from Europe and the US. In addition, no one wins a war without air superiority and neither side has that. As soon as one side has air superiority, they can win the ground war. Let's hope it's Ukraine because if Russia wins it will be a massive problem for Europe.
He was a news reader. Hardly a military expert. He's only here promoting his book.
@@rogerhardy6306 True. This guy was too pessimistic. He spoke in absolutes. Implied that Ukraine would HAVE TO give something up because the Russians won't quit. He never mentions the Ukrainians not quitting. Why not???
at least Putin had the decency not to sanction the icc, not like our shameless genocidal President Blinken.😂😂😂
That's why he's still at the post. He's a good thing for Ukrainians and the E.U. A hated horrible individual living in the past taticly. Why ruin a possible regime change?
Entrenched in Donbas?! Aha ha…. It is RUSSIAN land, my guy. People like there - not ENTRENCHED - everything here is single sided POV
It's Ukraine. You don't know what you're talking about.
@@MeM_UK No it’s NOT - you are scratching the surface and don’t know deeper truths. You informed by one side. One sided zelensky western lies!
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this man is indeed silly or Russia operative
100 percent
Soneone else who has written a book without asking the Ukrainians what they want for the future.....shameful.
It's incredibly ignorant to constantly speak about Russia when actually you mean the Sowjet Union. Or to equal the Russian Federation to it. Stalin himself wasn't even Russian, but hey for Jonathan that's probably all the same ...
Soviet Union is what Putin wanted to revive
This dude is wrong on both counts. 😴
I agree with most of what Dimbleby is saying here wrt. WWII but you can't join the dots in a straight line to the current situation. He's making the mistake of conflating the Soviet Union with the current situation in the Russian Federation. Territorial boundaries with people who are fighting for their liberty and way of life. A generation that grew up after the Soviet Union and don't want to go back. Russian elites in Moscow may very well feel the way that he states about history and have a passionate sense of nationalist patriotism but the majority of soldiers in the front are doing it for a pay check as it's their most lucrative option. Virtual mercenaries, an exploitation of the poor. Reluctant cannon fodder. There is great dissatisfaction in the regions. No other way of finding employment. Mass exodus of the most qualified and financially able people. A real chance that the federation could collapse if it continues. Internal sabotage of railways, factories and recruitment offices etc. going on. Most are aware that they are not fighting an existential threat as with the Nazis. Furthermore a large part of that pool of human resource being referred to were Ukrainians in WWII and we were supplying the Soviets with military aid, not the other way around. The Russian Federation is by comparison a house of cards begging China, Iran and North Korea for help.
You are very much wrong dear admirer of russians. Russia is an artificial state forcefully built in 17-19th centuries out of hundreds of different nations. Let's see where this empire ends up, having in mind where other empires did.
BS
NATO hasn't been particularly "resilient" Jonathan it's been unexpectedly "belligerent".
This has actually demonstrated how unresilient NATO is to an industrial war of attrition.
NATO is losing this proxy war because it can't keep up with Russian arms production and hasn't the will to take the level of casualties that Ukraine has suffered.
How come nobody in the world wants to immigrate to rushia, but loads of people line up to live in the UK and USA?🤔
@@dpelpal Wiki: "As of May 2022, there are 5.99 million foreigners residing in the Russian Federation"
However they are probably a lot keener to retain Russian nationality than the Globalists who run the US and UK are, so they don't accept everyone "claiming asylum" with a new smartphone, 4 star hotel and benefits.
She’s got that seriously wrong - we the British people can’t stand Harry and def do not want him back.
No need for the preview
Dim blabbing.
Well, Putin lives in a bubble so it’s hard to make good decisions. He has no internet or phone.
Ah the old BS line pull a dinosaur if you need a spin on a situation who seriously is he to talk about Putin in this time 50 years ago may be but know when your time has passed
Funny that Harry and Meghan is mentioned in this serious broadcast. I can tell you that if Harry comes back and ask for en new chance the King and we all will Welcome him.
The Ukrainians lost nearly as many as the Russians in the 2nd world war . Let's not forget this
Putin sure judged the duplicitous western leaders correctly.
This interviewer asks very probing questions of another celebrity (once upon a time) commentator. Where do they drag these experts from? Suddenly he knows everything there is to know about what Putin is thinking? What a total waste of airspace just to fill the void of silence, instead of interviewing people who may actually know something and who could shed some real light on the subject, perhaps even some truth!
-thus guy is clueless, the russians aren’t fighting (from moscow and st pete’s), putin is recruiting from siberia and third world countries)
Fkn boring
This guy mixing russians with soviets a lot
Give me one reason why I should listen to this man, that doesn’t know what he is talking about. To tired of these “experts” pushing ruzzian talking points👎
Dimblebore is not an expert on anything except perhaps feathering his own nest.
No question our Royal family is dysfunctional.
Westerners like to talk and boast. It’s tiring
Easterners like to Suppress their People and Invade Other Countries; Killing Hundreds of thousands.
Q: What do you call a rich rushn' businessman?
A: New homeowner in London🤣
Eastener like to boast about occupation
No no NATO is not a threat. West was never a threat to anyone 😅
Nato is surrendering Russians borders, this is no threat for Russia
Russian war cinema is EXTRAORDINARY. Lots of phenomenal books are written west just ignoring as usual
This channel specializes in defeatism. This guy is a dinosaur defeatist.
Putin's fantasies are the key to his popularity but he is not nearly as realistic as Stalin was🎉🎉🎉
Putin judged and played the Brexiteers perfectly.
Then he became a worldwide joke after his army was decimated by U kraine
Lol! If you were in the UK before Putin was in power, you weren't listening - or were in the bubble that worshipped the EU.
How do you think he got from a junior figure in St Petersburg to leader of Russia for over two decades by having bad judgement. Objective evaluation does he usually get what he wants answer yes. He is a wily and intelligent guy not a fool with bad judgement. The Russian military did a rushed invasion with too few resources in the wrong place. Lets be honest Kyiv surrounded and Polish border closed from Belarus, basically game over. Invasion in the east and every day no trade, no supplies for Ukraine. Is his economy growing strongly? yes, is he winning in Ukraine, yes slowly. So far has.not been ideal.but suffers from bad judgement is more like Zelenskyy. Cut defence spending prior to invasion, denied it up until the day before, had no defenses in Kharkiv border area. That is bad judgement. Churchill we be examining the border personally two years into a war and making tanks Ukrainian or western designs. Not producing zero. Putin makes mistakes but Zelenskyy is good at PR but less so at military leadership.
How come rushn' citizens are fleeing the country?
@dpelpal same reasons Ukranians do to avoid a war and call ups. As for Ukraine being poor well that's firstly currency fashionability. Secondly 189 billion dollar GDP gets boosted like recent 61 billion dollars from the US. Zelenskyy going over the top 27 Patriot battery request cost another 30 billion dollars for that alone let alone training spares, replacement missiles. Ukraine is supported by the west that is how it manages. It needs to produce some kind of tank locally with Western help and mobilise properly to finish the war. Whole thing is a long destructive process and a tragedy.
In reality he is only wily by russian standards. When you play with the big boys in Europe, US and China you have to be much, much better than that. He has found himself out of his league…
@davidmacdonald1695 Your belief in that when you have the intellectual titans of Indian and Zimbabwean politics is really bizarre. No doubt you are trained in Foreign affairs by the sound of it. To be so knowledgeable without rationale or examples being necessary in your mind.
Given the" achievements " of the big boys in Lybia, Syria, Afghanistan,etc...