Minnesota Vikings are being disrespected across the board
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- The Minnesota Vikings are being disrespected by numerous sportsbooks and national outlets; Why the Vikings are probably better than expected; Hard Count questions on Dalton Risner will compete at both spots; JJ McCarthy being shielded; Falcons tampering charges should be announced any day.
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The fucking audacity to call a rookie who hasn't even played a damned preseason game a bust is ridiculous. Fuck the media
Bears rookie QB will be a bust 🤷♂️
Don't be so honest. Also, how many Super Bowls did the Vikings win with Hunter and Kirky Chains? That would be none. Neither of them is a loss for the Vikings when you don't win anyway.
😂😂😂
Is that you JJ McCarthy?!?!!
Trump supporter
Better to be underrated than overrated.
Better to be overrated than underpaid.
I'm surprised your little brother SKOL's not trolling you, Sara
@@dw2367 oh you mean that fraud? Mr I Hate MN Sports but can’t stop commenting on MN Sports 🤣🤣🤣
@@marcjohn9404 Kirk Cousins Approves this message!
@@saraxiong He's trolling someone else at the moment 😊 !!
Whenever the Vikings are at their best it's when we are under the radar that's how I like it.
That's why ya have only 1 fraudulent playoff appearance simce overrated JJ been drafted. RIP
@@StillKeepOnLosinglol you sound silly
@@StillKeepOnLosing can I interest you in Atlanta's finest Kirk Cousins?
@@dekethefreak5284 Silly or facts? Only 1 fraudulent playoff appearance where they lost to a sad Giants team right? Lmfao
@@miamisasquatch ATL in weakest division with easiest schedule... Over easy $
The idea that Maye is going to be better than JJ is laughable.
JJ is a turd
How so? They wanted to draft Maye and settled with McCarthy
If you are not an informed fan, I can see how it could look like they have not done much this off season.
Seems to be some serious anxiety from Minnesota fans going into the first season WITHOUT Kirk Cousins at QB yet I didn't see so much angst the last 6 seasons when this team never did shit WITH Kirk Cousins. Interesting?
Anxiety lol. Thanks for the laugh
Let em disrespect us, and let em glaze the Packers and Bears. Manzano is gonna eat so much s*** when Maye busts because he needs help with his mechanics, and he doesn't have time to work on them in NE, and McCarthy ends up being the most successful QB in this class because he has time to sit, and he's getting in with an incredibly QB friendly system with O'Connell and McCown.
Also, 3-14? 😂
I don't even think the Vikings are gonna be great, but they're gonna shove this year. 8 or 9 wins, pushing for a playoff spot, that's more like what I'd expect. This guy is delulu.
We're never going to be respected until we win. It's as simple as that...and I'm diehard Vikings for almost 30 years but the truth is the truth.
Even when we win games… 13-4 “frauds”
@@mikering4590 I mean the big game
What respect have they earned? At present, a fourth-place finish in their division seems very possible- maybe probable.
What respect has greenbay or Detroit earned? They made the playoffs. Whoopie
@@hitman9198Detroits first division win in decades and people wanna dk ride 🤣
@@JusGoonl like they are some dynasty some of these lions fans are str delusional must be something in the water in Detroit
@hitman9198 It's not about what Detroit or Green Bay have done. Here's the point: if Minnesota does better than than one and done in the playoffs, they will have earned some respect. Given the strength of the NFC North, if they win the division or come close, they will have earned some measure of respect. "Winning" the off-season (and it's a questionable win unless proved otherwise) isn't going to cut it.
@@TheSadDane lol derp
So what?
Guess what....I dont care.
Looking forward to being the best 3-14 team in NFL history.
Honestly the disrespect is warranted and it’s going to be very helpful, we fly under the radar and have a way over achieving season !
Love being an underdog . SKOL VIKINGS 💜💛
@Ziggy... Can we pay BFlo head coach money? Maybe not quite what KOC is making, but right there. Lock him down with LTI's around defensive performance, guarantee him a 1st or 2nd rounder every year, and a clause that he has first right of refusal to an open Vikings HC job.
I think co-head coaches is in order
@@johnlusth193not sure Kwesi can manage the egos with two head coaches arguing with one another
3-14 would b great! This team ain’t winnin nada. Might as well get a good pick!
Tarkenton NEVER had a Great Offensive line but managed to be Great !!! It all boils down to the QB's ability !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not every QB can just scramble around all day. Plus defenses are faster and a lot better conditioned than the fat out of shape guys Francis had to face.
WTF. What kind of take is that? Some of his OL are some of the best the Vikings have ever had.
@@Selling-McCarthyism until the super bowls when they fell apart
@@jaarc1437 better than the regular season when our OL has been falling apart. And has been happening since the 2010s
He also never won a superbowl either. Your argument is severely flawed
Our interior DL is so goddamn weak and nobody talks about it
I don't understand the lack of interest to pay Dalton Risner as our starting left Guard. He was the best interior offensive lineman last year and got the least interest in re-signing. I'm glad they finally signed him but as a backup??? Someone shed some light on this because this doesn't make any sense.
Literally no one gets this
He fukin sucks
No clue but the other 31 teams agreed
I've been trying to make sense of the Vikings interior o-line problems for a decade now.
You can tell the guys a headcase. He makes everything about himself and is an attention seeker
We need to keep in mind that this is the first year of a 5-year Journey to build a Super Bowl team with a cheap QB and excellent cap space.. there will be growing pains this year....2025 to 2027 is the real window to win
Third year of a 3-5 year journey. The door is open now.
Even if we do finish with 3 or 4 wins that means a high first round pick next year. This year is going to be about seeing what we have with some young guys and where we need to address with the draft and free agency next off-season so we can hit the ground running and make some noise next season.
We win anyways if the national media turns out right cause that means we will have the #1 pick in the draft or top 3 at least. This would allow us to get a hell of a haul in a trade down or get an absolute stud to go along with a huge free agency haul to go HAM IN 2025!
The Aaron Jones pickup is going to take this offense to a whole new level. Even with Darnold. I would hammer the over 6.5 if I was a gambler. Then next year when we grab a STUD on the D line, maybe a guard, and a shutdown corner…watch out. If either QB is rollin, we will be a problem
Aarom Jones biggest strength is the passing game. Who uses the rb the least in the NFL? Your sad Blonde coach KOC. RIP. MN the place to collect retirement $.
@@StillKeepOnLosing bro u might as well reply to other people’s comments bc I already know ur troll scheme 😆.
@@jaredpribyl Not trolling if it's true. Aaron Jones biggest strength IS the passing game and your sad coach cant draw up a simple screen. GG
@@StillKeepOnLosing riiiiight, u never troll Vikings pages…😆. Nobody takes u seriously. Stop wasting ur time. Everyone knows Jones can do it all. Ur not good at trolling.
@@jaredpribyl Not trolling if it's true. Lmfao. How many screens the blonde koc call all year? Like 8? Lmfao. RIP. Get good son
Austin Schlottmann was very solid and is a regrettable loss.
I hope Walter Rouse is a great find, because the Tackles miss games.
The qb situation has improved, the arms on defense are longer. The run game has improved. Offensive line-improved(slightly). More targets for Sam to throw to-improved. Kicker-WAAAAAY IMPROVED.
Great topic, thanks guys!
It's nothing new for the national media so called experts to dish the Vikings, it's expected IMO.
What the hell do they know, the answer is not much because they automatically assume the Vikings are rebuilding, not!
This team is much more talented than given credit for and 6.5 wins should be a cake walk, unless injuries shipwreck this team.
I think the Vikings will be a big surprise along with a few other teams.
We shall see soon
JJ will not see playing time at all this year.
Only if Darnold performs well enough to actually have garbage time available in the 4th for JJ to get a couple snaps
"Interior Offensive & Defensive Line, WHICH SETS THE TONE FOR YOUR ENTIRE FOOTBALL TEAM, that's a work in progress using NEXT year's draft & free agency." Precisely! You can have all the JJ signings & franchise QB picks you want, NOT addressing the lines (as well as pounding Mattison's colorblind butt into RB1 to justify his contract) is WHY we were 1-3 to start the season.
Darnold ass been on the bus to hell with driving the car 😂😂 respectfully
It must be a Minnesota thing to care so much about what unimportant people think about unimportant things.
Nah a sports thing in general. You obviously need to get out more lol
@@hitman9198 I'll have you know that I just got back from the dogpark!
@@leonardshevlin7260 lol the dog park.
@@hitman9198 Sometimes there are some fine bitches there. But not tonight.
@@hitman9198 I replied yesterday but it was censored because I used the correct term for female dogs.
Min is one those teams which are quick to be dropped in rankings, and slow to climb up when playing great.
It's not the biggest( ratings) city, nor hub of east coast power teams
So take Min rankings with a grain of salt
Also think agree with Judd, that the defensive core is much deeper younger....with a great DC
As for expectations are, we don't really know how good this current defence, has improved over last year
We have no clue how new QB(s) will preform
On the one hand the disrespect is insane on the other the qb position is a question mark at the end of the day, and that’s a huge issue. Now, for that same reason I think it’s insane to just assume Caleb is gonna be good.
Caleb is going to be fine... Not great, not a bust. Hell be a poor man's Jalen Hurts.
It just means it would be stupid to Win meaningless games when you aren’t going anywhere this year. Set yourself up for a better season next year.
Exactly, can't believe we're arguing over a few extra meaningless wins. We'd be better off with 3-5 wins as opposed to 7-9.
Judd blaming kirk instead of kj made my day😂 along with decs face following😂 you guys are pure goold keep it up! SKOL!!!
Falcons fans finding out the brain cramping ability of Kirk Cousins before he even takes a snap lol. Wait until he lines up under guard, or takes a knee when he meant to spike the ball, or panics and throws a pass backward, or forgets to spike the ball and huddles up with the clock ticking, or throws a 3 yard pass on 4th and 8 with your season on the line.
I liked Cousins, but his limitations were real. At 36 coming off that Achilles, I can see his lack of mobility becoming a real problem.
The thing some Vikes fans probably don't appreciate about Darnold is that he is very agile and strong in the pocket, and a legitimate rushing threat. He does have a good arm, and could legitimately thrive in KOCs scheme with Jettas and co as targets.
Are we certain the Flores defense will return to form as it did in game 1 through 13 last year? Or will we get the Flores defense from game 14 - 17? I fear we saw this before with the Zimmer defense at the end of 2017 and beginning of 2018.
Until we get rid of KOC, we will continue to not have respect. KOC will not even reach Zimmer heights
I think the easiest thought experiment is to imagine this year's Vikes roster with Cousins at QB. This years roster is younger and faster and feels significantly better across the board than the 2022 or 2023 version. Year 3 KOC, year 2 Flores, Aaron Jones, year 2 Addison, year 3 Ingram & Chandler, a much deeper edge rotation, and CB room.
So if Darnold plays anywhere close to Cousins, and he could potentially be even better, especially a 36 year old Cousins coming off an Achilles, then I can't see any reason why this isn't at least a 10-12 win team and division winning team.
Folks talk up the Lions, but the Packers went to Detroit and beat them squarely late in the season. The Bears had them absolutely on the ropes in Detroit, and then smashed them at Soldier Field. The Lions weren't even that convincing against Mullens. It wouldn't surprise me if they missed the playoffs. Goff is the slowest QB in the division now.
Well, their schedule is ridiculously difficult for a 3rd place team. But there better than a 3-4 win team, Dec is spot on.
Yep, we should get some form of draft compensation for the tampering!
You 3 guys will be screaming for mccarthy by week 8...lol write it down
3-14 is pushing it. They aren't going to be great, but they're better than 3 wins.
Tough schedule, allotta new faces on defense trying to figure out where they fit it. It's going to some time for everything to gel with Darnold on offense, and the Flores scheming and player fit ins. With a little luck, and error-free football, we could reach 9 wins. With errors and inconsistency, it could be four or five wins.
3 wins would be awesome TBH. This team isn't winning the Super Bowl this year and its ceiling is probably only 8 or 9 wins, so the more losses the better, for that higher draft pick. They're setup good to start making a run in 2025, so one more good draft would help a lot.
Ok, love the show, but please come up with a different analogy instead of constantly using the car one? It’s kinda old lmao
I agree lol
This is all you have to complain about you’re telling me it’s a pretty good show
Yeah, it’s a great show, listen everyday. Just want them to use a different analogy besides “driving the car” lmao
People forget that in Cousins first 3 seasons at Washington he was even worse than Darnold. Cousins had 2 wins and 7 losses, throwing more INTs than TDs, and that was with the luxury of sitting behind RGIII. Cousins was already 30 when he arrived in Minnesota and didn't really win over most of the fan base until his 9th or 10th year in the league. Every reason that folks give for JJ being in a position to succeed with the Vikes, also apply to Darnold. Darnold has an even better draft pedigree and has already taken his lumps.
Enjoy the season.
It is great we are under the radar this year. With the D being better (which it likely will be in year two of Flores), win total should be 7 minimum and 11 max, given the schedule. Last year, we would have likely been at least a ten-win team if Kirk had remained healthy.
I agree with you guys 3-14 is ridiculous but I think you guys forgot how rough this years schedule is… especially the first 8-9 weeks excluding week 1… I’m thinking 6-8 wins this year
Ending the season in great position to add a top 5 player in the draft AND having ample funds for free agency in 25 sounds good to me
The first one is dumb because maye is also boom or bust and would sit the whole year anyway
I love when we are underestimated. Whenever this happens, we always shock people.
If we have a bad season (3-4 wins), would it really be that bad right now? We could have a number of higher draft picks next year (if we don't trade them all away first), and really start setting down a foundation.
I think the Vikings will be surprisingly good this year with players that have something to prove
As a vikings fan, I only lean slightly towards the over on 6.5. I wouldn't put money on it though. They had some BAD turnovers at the beginning of the season so I don't see how the "puck luck" gets any worse. They do have a tough schedule though, and Darnold is a big ?. This year is about development though, so I don't care what our record is. Also, we are still eating Kirk's dead cap, so of course we are short at a couple positions.
Using very accurate math this is how the NFC North is projected to turn out if every team played the cleanest version they could (no TOs):
Lions - 9.8 wins
Packers - 9.2 wins
Vikings - 8.8 wins (smash the O 6.5 wins)
Bears - 8.6 wins.
Gonna be very close this year.
I think the 2023 season is an irrelevant reference for the Vikes. The 2024 roster seems younger, faster and deeper across the board compared to the 2022 division winning team. Some folks are reading way too much into the difference between Cousins and Darnold. Cousins was an 8 win guy in Washington, and still an 8 win guy in Minnesota until KOC got there. Darnold was 8-9 with the dysfunctional Panthers, so I'm pretty sure he can win plenty of games with KOC and the Vikes...
Not being a Vikings fan and listening to this podcast pretty regularly, I don’t think anyone is underrating them. Vikings fans getting hyped about Sam Darnold for a minimum of 9 games is crazy…
I agree with Mackey, JJ in 2025, not 2024. Let him spend the year learning and preparing 👍
KOC should staple all these articles and opinions to the dressing room wall as motivation. Simple.
But, as Vikings fans we are going to be biased and think that we are good enough in are weakest areas to win. Thats why it’s nice to hear from the guys that are unbiased to the Vikings situation
I think this conversation has to be within the framework of what Sports dad was getting at that this is the Longview not meant to be competitive in 2024 but hopefully 20 25/26 and Beyond
Thats a bad way to look at it, every game they are trying to win and be competitive,
But if it doesn’t happen its not the end of the world
It’s nice for this topic to finally actually get the acknowledgment it deserves…. Let’s just be real about this the Vikings lack legitimate raw talent at most all premium positions.
Which leads me to the this..
When the Vikings potentially have a top 5 draft pick in 2025 do you “Stick and Pick” for potentially drafting an even better QB talent than all the QB’s on the roster? Do you grab the top DL? Or trade the pick for the similar haul New England turned down. (How many other teams would have said no to that trade?)
I’m a supporter of Kwesi but the wrong statements were being made. His job wasn’t on the line in the 2024 draft. He did what you expect a GM should do who has 2 first round picks and a need at the QB position.
In 2025
- If the Vikings fall flat.
- JJ plays and doesn’t look like an option you’re willing to trust at the position..(with all the shielding)
If the Vikings do have a top 3 pick in 2025 Kwesi job gonna be so difficult…..
All those naughty innuendos 😂
5⭐s guys! 🤜 SKOL!!
I would love to see the Vikings go 5-12 this season with JJ on the bench all year. I would celebrate that result!
Disrespect is a good thing. Keep it coming.
How many years in a row have the Vikings hit the over on wins? Other than last year with the 4th string QB?
vikings must start a QB that can make fast decisions and mostly good passes, this is a must
The pundits are right, you win in the trenches, and the Vikings are hot garbage in the interior trenches on both sides of the ball. They once again put a priority on flashy skill position players over the blue collar guys that help teams go deep into the playoffs every year. Doesn't matter how many weapons you have if the interior is collapsing every other play.
If the Vikes crumble so will Skor Norths ratings hope you guys are ready for a long season
How many of the players that turned over the ball last year are gone? Just curious.
If...IF Sam Darnold can play up to his potential, this can be a dangerous team. The only question mark will be the ability to stop the run on D.
It's mostly the Sam Darnold factor. He's stunk for 6 years running and it's unlikely to change.
.......I mean, what respect do they deserve at this point? IMO they're on the right track, BFlo will have the D playing well, all that... But they have a lot to prove. Keep in mind, they missed the playoffs last year and now Sam Darnold is the starting QB 🤣🤣
B Flo at Miami made two big leaps in the first two years as DC and they had average talent.
Who is starting QB for Vikings
It's a good thing that we are a pretty young team
SKOL !! I'd take the over in wins , lots of talent on offense regarding they stay healthy and cut down on injuries and mistakes IMO !!
3-14? That is so harsh. I feel that the Vikings will want to win more games and JJ is hungry now after his injury and new contract. Very talented and young team. Let’s prove these toaster oven IQ national reporters wrong and do something cool this season. SKOL
JJMcC can carry the media pressure, it's less "shielding" him and more ensuring Sam gets the best shake as a starter as possible
What does it matter at all what they think about the Vikings?
On compensation for the for tampering with Cousins: The other instances of tampering did NOT result in the player/coach going to the team that tampered... except for the Eagles... who were compensated with picks by the Cardinals. I think the Vikes will get some compensation.
Let’s be real! This team is in a rebuild in the NFC north, that every team has improved, so I see 4-6 games win this season, but they will improve, and be able to draft high again for 2025.
If we go 3-14 we are back in the top 10 draft capital..something we can move back on to shore up some interior lines. Couple that with cap savings, 2025 might be our year!
We are still pieces away but can improve next year if we can hold flores and address the trenches
I’ve already decided to take back my Sundays this Fall. Not watching, zero interest, the sport has become all about taking the bag of cash and fk everyone else. No thanks.
Ok we will miss you😢
Anywhere from 5-8 wins is a safe assumption
Being good or great at WR and a suspect at interior d and o line along with corner,Qb idk if that a recipe for greatness the line needs fixed Tom Brady won a lot of superbowl with okay WR and great lines tbh line is more important than a WR
It's time to be a really good team
5-7 wins is very realistic for this team.
Thinking Sam Darnold or Nick Mullens are going to lead us to 6 wins this year is wild. Bet your house, your wife, your kids, and your pets this will be an under 6 win year!
How are they better than last season?
While I think we are better than 3 wins, I truly believe our earned first round pick in 2025 will be inside the top 10.
Yea but we also call "Kirk playing well" when the guy threw like 4 picks on the 1 yard line in the first 5 weeks. It's unreal this is what we call Kirk having the best season of his career so far. I could keep going but I'm gonna stop here or this post will never end.
This team is a Super Bowl contender when we’re underdogs, remember 2016-2017 other than the NFC title game this team surprised the league; not saying we’re going to be like 16-17 team but we can or be better.
tampering with Qb's are a different story!
any team that go's against the rules or plays unfairly should have the book thrown at them and the victims should get compensated
And I think the Vikings have some big brass balls, I'm just saying
Roy is going to emerge for our D line! I pray lol. Then move P Jobes to DE and I’d be “ok” with the line
Sam Darnold is the only thing they look at, ignoring all the great moves they made. Just look at this offense, wow!
Lucky to get to 3 wins...Greenard and AVG will moss significant time, Cashman will show why he was a career back up till last season and then they let him leave. Mccarthy wont see the field and its Sam Darnold! KOC will be the Falcons QB coach next year
Under the radar- that’s how we want it
A severe penalty for the Falcons is the best preparation for those fans in what to expect with their soon-to-be regretted veteran QB.
No!, you have it all wrong, the Falcons did the Vikings a big big favor in taking Cousins off our hands
When we won 13 games and beat the bills just two seasons ago, they still called us pretenders. So whatever
draft picks next year is it 2025 First Rounder
2025 Fifth Rounder
2025 Fifth Rounder (via Browns)