Find the Limit on Track (Quickly & Predictably)
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- How do we find the limit on track in a safe and predictable way? Often, drivers find it hard to drive a car right on the limit and fear pushing too hard and overstepping the mark.
In this video, Scott Mansell runs us through a strategy to quickly and predictably find the limit when driving on circuit.
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With these videos I wish I was 15 again when I was racing Gokarts. You're a joy to watch Scott Mansell
Thanks! Really appreciate that.
@@Driver61 Thanks for your amazing job. Please come to Barcelona to do a clinic!!
Professional advice for committed drivers, on track or on SIM. beautiful, Scott.
That weight transfer makes so much sense. Hanging for a Track day now.
Came here from Donut Media and I dont reget it. This is super helpful
You might even say... You donut regret it!
Donut media told me to sub...so I did.
More good stuff here, Scott. Thanks! Your videos have helped me quite a bit in sim racing. My lap times have come down and many times I've found myself with an advantage over an opponent thanks to something I learned here. Looking forward to the next one!
THANK YOU MASTER.
I'm not a racer -Except on my PS4- but these videos are intriguing and you have a gift for teaching it.
I think trying to make the car understeer as a first step in feeling the limit of grip might not be that useful.
Better to get the car turning in quickly enough so that you can feel the rotation of the chassis on the contact patches while the tyres are building up grip.
With the rotation stabilized in the mid corner, this is an indication you could push harder next time. If the rotation feels like it wants to go on with it, this will be advance warning that a correction is required. If the car does get out of line, then pull back just that little bit next time around.
I get what you are saying, but this is also about finding the limit safely... Understeer is the safest kind of traction loss so it's not entirely incorrect. As with everything it's all personal preference.
Both are valid and useful IMO. Depends a lot on the corner, road conditions, car's setup etc. We must remember that a rear wheel drive car fully using the rear tires cannot accelerate on top, so it can be beneficial in some cars in some corners to take a set, understeer slightly then hammer the power for an overall more optimal time. Then there's stuff like the Supertourer FWD cars where they're tuned to slide on entry specifically to *save* tires. Don't need to steer and power as much with the fronts if you carry in speed and rotate.
Radical RSX in the thumbnail! You drive many of the radical for coaching Scott??
Have been watching loads of videos since the Donut shout-out! I'd love to get into racing myself! I'm 24 now, but it feels like I'm already too old as you always hear that everyone started driving at a young age and have been driving for years. Am I too old? If not, what'd be the best way to start at that age?
I'd recommend going to your local track, getting your racing license and giving it a shot with your personal car, after that you can start asking around at the track for what kind of events are available to you. I've gotten my start through ice racing and currently am prepping for my first rally event
This, is amazing.
Nice shave!
I'm listening. You're handsome.😄😄👍👍
is this guy a Mansell, as in Nigel Mansell's son?
Wondering that too...
After first three minutes video is good and helpful. However you talk so long in the beginning just mentioning things everybody knows. It makes the video and your channel boring.
Literally just repetitively rambles until 4:08
Thank you!
That's really helpful, thanks. I find it v. tricky to think about weight transfer in a sim, mainly because there's no direct sensation I assume. Do you think this is easier in RL racing?
Dear Scott. There is one topic about racing that is not covered on RUclips. It is about how you should shift gears into a corner. When is it better to go on 1st gear and when on the 2nd when you are taking a hairpin like 1st turn in Monza for example. Would really be great if you could share any ideas about it!
Love your channel, can u do videos on different kind driving styles depending on car specifications (fwd, rwd, awd, mid front rear engine layout....)it would be great !
You are basically like Ryosuke Takahashi in real life
Even delivered tofu in his VW Golf R
That's too boring lol
Always very straightforward and logical advice. And always a pleasure to watch. Thanks.
As always, you have a wonderful way of getting a message across and after many years of driving and studying cornering, I've gained some valuable insights here. Many thanks for your efforts and cheers from Sydney, Aust - Dave
Thanks for the comment Dave!
Listen for tire squeal.
are you sure that saying that we "approach these limits with smooth input" doesn't require it to be a high-speed corner..? You say slow or medium, but how can I do trail braking of decelerating for an extra second while remaining at the limit of adhesion unless I'm going about 80 MPH..?
I put all his advice together and binned a £2m ford gt on my first hot lap. Thanks very much Scott!!!
Completely my fault! I'm so sorry!
You know if you blame you won't learn
Well, with the high polar moment of a mid engine car, you should have started with the Toyota MR2 to get the feel of how quick a mid engine car rotates. but to be fair , I have come close in my Z06(not L2M! sorry, no pound sign here)
Do you shave the beard for extra lightness and speed? 😉 (Does it work for eSports?)
Yes, it is especially effective on open top cars since it makes you more aerodynamic
Very good video that would be enhanced with in car video examples
I can't see how that can be done when it's all about feel and slight changes in car attitude which would not translate visually. Do you really understand what he's talking about?
As always, very informative and helpful information. Enjoyed watching it! For anyone who has not seen Scott's driver's University tutorials, I highly recommend them
Thank very much Callum, glad you're making use of them!
Another excellent video.
So if I turn the steering wheel while the car is in motion, the direction of the car changes?
My big issue with sim racing is I started off in heavy shitbox cars, so I got a good feel for a car that doesn't have a lot of grip and downforce, and when I go to a car that does (like an F1 car for example) I always overestimate how much grip it has. It doesn't cause me to crash because I can control the mistakes, but I either overdrive or underdrive the corner and it's fuck near impossible to get into a rhythm and just vibe when you're screwing up every other corner. It's only an issue I have in high downforce cars.
You are awesome
Great pointers on safely approaching the limit. Have watched all of your vids and continue to watch them as refreshers. Cheers
Cheers Ziggy!
I really enjoy your content and the way you AMAZINGLY present it however I'd say you might reach more people if you use a sim (really any decent sim: assetto corsa, iracing, rfactor, project cars 2, gran turismo sport or many of them) to TELL AND SHOW wha't you're explaning, three cameras might do the magic (one for the foot and for the wheel and one for the face beyond the sim running in the background). Maybe even providing exercises.. anyway, keep doing it. thanks a lot
No.
Hey are you related to Nigel Mansell?
Can't be, he doesn't have the family 'tache! 😄
Johnson s
Pherifiral vision takes care of entry /apex / vision acquity takes care of farr vision to make ur turn as smoth as possible
im driver mor than 15 years but I have to say all your tips worth it 100 thanks Mansel
You should put every diff car you drive to its limit and behond to tame the beast lool
Scott, love your tutorials... thanks for making them, but I feel like you missed the mark a bit here... I too struggle to find the limit some time, but a limit to "push" is easy to identify...
I think the original questions are about finding the limit to a nice comfortable neutral "on throttle oversteer"...
Pushing is safe, but a little loose is fast... And nothing beats the feeling when you have that perfectly balanced but slightly loose car that allows good rotational control with subtle throttle modulations...
He does explain that once slight understeer is found and controlled which put you in the ballpark of the right speed for the corner then the balance can be brought backward again by braking deeper until youngo through neutral and into very slight oversteer which as you say is usually quickest. You can't predictably go straight into that state though as you have no idea where the limit is. This method is a safe method of approaching the limit in the first place.
@@ravey1981 Thanks for this added comment! Like the finish on a fine steak... Your artfully composed sentences seem to be the quick final summation, that brings it all together. Maybe I missed these suggestions from Scott the first time I watched the video...
Anyway, Great points ravey...
I'll give it all a try and hope it leads me to that perfect balance with a more consistent, and more importantly, a "repeatable" approach!
@@ravey1981 this method is actually how I set my tire pressures! I find peak traction and see what the car does with different inputs and adjust from there where I want the pressures to make the car respond differently
gr8 point on vision 90% of a driver's info comes from vision
hi
My T1 spec Corvette Z06 goes from understeer to snap oversteer, and scares the shit out of me. Should I just look for time on the corners with longer radii to have time to try to smoothly go from under to balanced to oversteer? thanks.
Perhaps you should get a more predictable handling car.
Hi Scott, by any chance are you related to Nigel?
Maybe, for fun grow a Nigel Mansell moustache?
Might make you quicker? Lol.
He didn't have a beard though.....hehe.
So, I've always hated understeer and I generally attribute it to front wheel drive vehicles. With a rear wheel drive I can push the car around with brute force to make it do what I want. However, understeer especially with FWD I feel that I've lost control. What I'm seeing now is my braking technique needs a lot of work. That said, I still hate FWD!
If you can't control understeer, them you are doing everything wrong in your driving ... That's the most predicable and easier to fix ... If you oversteer on a FWD then you are done
Very unclear and dragged out
@driver61
Can you make a video or share your opinion on what happened in the Canadian GP please?
I highly recommend Jolyon Palmer's breakdown on the F1 channel, you are referring to Vettel's entrance back into the track and having to squeeze Hamilton into the wall so he wouldn't get passed, yes?
@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt yeah I think so , it was that long ago now.
But thankyou for this information nonetheless 👌.