You’re the only RUclipsr who uses incredibly humorous methods to showcase street self-defense. It’s clear you’re very clever, and your approach is refreshingly different from typical self-defense tutorials. I really love your innovative style, and I’m a big fan of Cliff too! I hope to see more videos featuring him. Thanks again!
I have used arm drags to neutralize possible attacks from confused patients in an inpatient setting. No striking in involved. No injuries to either party. Once the back is taken they can't hit you. (Watch for head butt backwards and foot stomp. Which can be avoided.) Sometimes you only need to win long enough for help to come, which may not be long at a jobsite. I agree 90% of the time it wins.
He was tired of people thinking that he likes to beat people up. 😂 he made me do the moves in the last videos I did, but I cut those parts out. So I included it in this video.
Cliff is a truly humble individual who is also very adept at what he does - his teaching method is super! And you my friend are doing a sterling job interviewing such talented teachers/instructors who freely share their knowledge of practical street protection. Your videos are refreshingly different on a very serious subject.
Arm drag to Russian two on one can be very effective when you use your shoulder together with movement to drag them down to the ground. A student of mine who works security at the prefecture here in Lille was attacked by someone with a hammer. He stuffed the attack with a two on one control, arm drag to Russian, and smashed the guy to the ground where he was able to contain him.
The problem is uneducated people who don't understand what you just said. The arm drag is not so you can stay standing, it must be followed through, a two on one if left standing gives away your back, you (as you say) must take the guy to the ground as soon as you are that close that your heads are practically touching.
@ were you day drinking and decided it would be cool to post comments on RUclips? This was a video about helping people understand arm drags, not a contest to see if I could pull arm drags off. But hey if that’s what you want, you saw where my gym is come in let’s train and we can experiment and I’ll see if it as impossible as you say to pull an arm drags on you? Maybe you’re that super skilled wrestler that they don’t work on. It doesn’t work on everyone every time but my success rates is pretty good for an old guy. Cruise on in let’s have some fun training and exchanging ideas. I always love trading with good partners.
@@jackmehoff915 Ha, so one of the highest yield moves from one of the most proven and battle tested methods of fighting, wrestling, won't work..? That's interesting. In my experience, arm drags and duck unders are like magic tricks to most people.
A tip for when you pull the arm (or yourself) is to place your shoulder next to theirs. If you pull their right arm you put your right shoulder next to their right shoulder. This is so that you don't stay facing the opponent as you move because if you do, any wing chun guy would directly turn to face you and punch you with the other hand before you finish the step. If you have your shoulder there, your head is out of reach and protected during the move, then you can do whatever. Also fun story regarding the kick them to get them down and choke thing. When our grandmaster wanted to show us the exact same move he picked the largest guy in class who was a 2.1 meter behemoth while he himself is a rather short guy. He did not reach. He kicked and it had zero effect. So what did he do? He simply kicked again and used that inner knee to climb on top of him! Again if they don't move, you can move yourself.
@@StripMallSensei Yes, its pretty natural. As soon as the opponent has both of their hands on your single arm, the other arm is free to attack. And because you want to reach them you turn too. Thats why the elbow lock, shoulder to shoulder or getting to their back is very important as it prevents them to complete the turn.
Most of My learning lately has been through RUclips. When I was taught the arm drag maneuver (taichiquan) I was told "let the arm guide you" and circular movements were a theme. It's nice to know there are other ways of doing things. Experimentation helps
Good stuff!! What I just watched takes what I always tell people (stay calm, move in and strike the soft targets) and builds on it!! Cliff is very good physically and(!) mentally!! Your mind is the best tool/weapon you have!!!🤔
The lining up side by side is definitely for wrestling\grappling you get there knowing the opponent wants to square back up giving you shots or possibly setting up throws in most cases.
I love how Cliff intertwines MDS with wrestling techniques like the arm drag. That’s the beauty of MDS; it incorporates and enhances what you already do (wrestling, boxing, Muay Thai, Wing Chun, etc), not replaces it.
@@taoizt3846 nobody said MDS invented the arm drag. Many systems use it. And MDS was originally based in Silat. Plus I’m pretty sure Cliff gave credit to wrestling for where he learned it. He’s just incorporating it into MDS.
@@tacticalsapper or JKD philosophy. Absorb what is useful, discard the rest. Don’t be limited by one system. And Fred Mastro definitely follows that philosophy.
Simple is usually more effective than complicated. There are no rules in a real fight, but a lot of people think movies and mma when thinking self defense
Masters of anything have to master the fundamentals first, and most ppl notice they can get lots of mileage out of those fundamentals if they take the time to learn some of them well enough.
Good stuff! It's so easy to get stuck into one dimensional thinking where you're limited doing any particular fighting style. I find it requires awareness and intent to remind oneself of the many applications and techniques that can spring up from training within any particular style or technique itself.
Best counter to an arm drag is an arm drag. Clear example if you freeze frame at 13:15 where you initiated the arm drag, but end up in a completely neutral position, if Cliff resisted he could just pull the back of your bicep and counter arm drag you back. You're supposed to trap the hand like Cliff already shows at 12:46, however there's always an opportunity to counter arm drag when they advance the position if your ready for it.
You are very welcome. 🙏 I want dudes to be able to watch these videos with their family in the room and not have to turn it off because of naughty language. 😂
Don’t do this at all. All of these kinds of “teachers” are a joke. They’re for weak, scared guys who are ignorant enough to not realize this guy is full of it.
Cliff’s videos often get comments from wing Chun, or karate guys. They often see similarities. His response is usually. “I’ve never studied any of those. I must be some kind of Rain man.” 😂
Love the video! Just one thing I noticed you are doing wrong. With a person with tight arms, Cliff is punching with a vertical fist. That's good. You were punching with a horizontal fist. In this case, a horizontal fist will put a lot of force on your pinky knuckle and could break your hand (Boxer's fracture). A problem I have when doing an arm drag standing is my opponent can circle and neutralize the drag.
@@StripMallSensei He did it because it's narrower. Just have the thumb on top of the fingers. That's my opinion anyway. I did really like the video. I have a 5th Dan in both Tracy's Kenpo and Kang Duk Won Karate and do submission grappling but always trying to add to my skill set. Thank you!
The issue I see with all the “self defense” spin on everything is this: you can’t actually drill the move as it is intended. Or you’ll hurt your partner. Which means when fight or flight kicks in, you’ve never actually done it on a person who is fully resisting or when you’re full of adrenaline. However, I’ve suplexed, double legged, RNC’ed, etc. fully resisting people tens of thousands of times over the course of the last 13 years… it’s not rocket science folks. If you want to learn self defense training take MMA classes and carry a pistol at all times.
I respectfully disagree. I have trained and still train combat fighting and shooting with special team members from the US and multiple other countries. I have trained with current and retired swat team members and the idea with training safety is to dry fire practice your moves with precision and slowly build speed and confidence in your partners then pick up speed in your drills so that you train safely but as close to real as possible. Sport fighting is good and you have a distinct advantage against the general public but against someone who trains combat style fighting you are at a slight disadvantage. I train and love sport fighting and will always love wrestling. I am working with a couple of high caliber wrestlers and operators to add more wrestling components to combat fighting. Merging my two loves. The fundamental flaw in your statement is every military, every police force, basically every who has to terminate life for their job does not rely on the way you suggest training. You will hesitate when the time comes.
I respectfully disagree. I have trained and still train combat fighting and shooting with special team members from the US and multiple other countries. I have trained with current and retired swat team members and the idea with training safety is to dry fire practice your moves with precision and slowly build speed and confidence in your partners then pick up speed in your drills so that you train safely but as close to real as possible. Sport fighting is good and you have a distinct advantage against the general public but against someone who trains combat style fighting you are at a slight disadvantage. I train and love sport fighting and will always love wrestling. I am working with a couple of high caliber wrestlers and operators to add more wrestling components to combat fighting. Merging my two loves. The fundamental flaw in your statement is every military, every police force, basically every who has to terminate life for their job does not rely on the way you suggest training. You will hesitate when the time comes. I did when I first converted over to this style training. We all do. It’s just changing your mind set
@@CliffOdette I appreciate your response. It was unexpected to hear from the man himself. We will agree to disagree, but let me give you my thoughts. To give some context, I've been training a long time across many martial arts. Folk style, free style, judo, wing chun, ateinza kali, muay thai, and currently I am a BJJ instructor. I am specifically arguing about the most effective way to train for self defense in daily life scenarios. Military tactics are a different story, and I wont claim to know much of anything about that. I do think that the way hand to hand is trained for military/police ought to be basically the same as it is for civilians though because the principles I am about to outline will still stand, and I believe there are no silver bullets. Based on your comment it sounds like we mostly agree on how this stuff works. Yet, we've arrived at different conclusions- probably because of time and budgetary constraints that I'll mention below. The first paragraph of your comment is spot on. I take issue with the last two. In finance, there is an old saying. "Time in the market is more important than timing." What I'm essentially arguing for is time in. You need to be able to apply what you know in real life scenarios time and time again in order to be effective. (We agree on this.) All the advanced (and maximally violent) methods of fighting are thrown to the wayside when your basics and fundamentals arent there. For example: take a guy who is nasty at your arm drag series and dirty boxing, but that’s really all he’s good at, and for whatever reason none of it is there in the split second he has to react... He’s a fish out of water until that arm drag/dirty boxing presents itself. This might work 90% of the time, but if you're interested in self defense that last 10% is probably still a real concern. In the chaos of a real life altercation, there are just too many variables to consider. What are the dimensions of the physical space you’re in, where are you, who else is around, what level of force is actually appropriate in this situation? We have to be well rounded everywhere, and there is no short cut to getting here. The "basics and fundamentals" are going to take many many years for almost everyone to learn and to be proficient at. Not months or weeks. Police, military, etc, when it comes to hand to hand fighting are given months or weeks of training. There simply isn't time to fully prepare these guys to be actually proficient at hand to hand combat. It also isn't cost effective, specially for the military because guns are basically always involved. For police though, most altercations are going to be resolved hand to hand. But again, "time in" is the issue here. So, we give them the most cost effective thing with regards to actual preparedness for hand to hand: confidence to engage through a little bit of training. For your average person interested in self defense time/money isnt a constraint. Just get in the gym and learn over the course of years. Get hundreds if not thousands of motion patterns ingrained in your body and mind when fighting other trained people, and you wont hesitate in a real life altercation because the amount of thinking you have to do is minimal, whatever your opponent does, you'll have something for it. Lastly, it has been proven that police officers with consistent grappling training are significantly less likely to get injured in an on the job altercation. People being arrested by police with a higher grappling pedigree are also about less likely to get injured during an arrest. Use of tasers and other non-lethal weapons goes down as well. But again, time and money. Two things we can't get back. Thanks.
I appreciate you taking the time to write your response. It’s very simple practice makes perfect we both agree. The moves I show are based in sport fighting, all I did is add the stuff back in that was considered unsportsmanlike. I love sport fighting, that will always be my roots, I’m just de-evolving into a simpler mindset. With time in the fight be it sport or self defense you reach that moment of readiness. Hours upon hrs logged. It’s real simple self defense is a mentality and a willing to do whatever to win. All the moves come from the same origins. Before sport there was self defense and combat. It’s a wheel and the moves keep getting re- named to fit the situation. These moves started because someone needed not to die and over centuries they have been refined. I just want to unrefine them a little. Keep training I enjoyed the conversation.
these are basics technique of my Jeet Kun Do course. You should show them to everyone who compares martial arts for self defense, giving always A or S to Boxe e MMA and F to JKD
IcyMike has said a few times the thing you demonstrated. We as fighters don't train to run away and in a real fight, that could hurt us. You were told to run away, and still took his back.
@@StripMallSensei Agreed. My first coach always said to make a first contact during self-defense so that we give the bad guy something to think about before we actually do whatever. That includes running away.
In my opinion arm drag is the most usuless move in street fight. But im only a italian heavyweight champion in grappling class A, mma fighter, bare knuckle fighter whit a score of 32 win 0 loss and work in security for 8 years... What i know?
You have a very respectable resume. Because of your size you prefer to stay in front and trade punches. No image you are not you, but someone that weighs 70 kilos facing someone weighing in at 110 kilos. The advantage of getting off line and to someone’s side while having all your tools is a distinct advantage in a fight and you can’t argue that it’s not. Also let’s address the fact you bounce. The advantage of taking someone’s back within a split second to avoid blows is a more professional approach for high end protection then standing toe to toe in a dive bar. I sure you are a proficient fighter and your record sounds amazing. But in a fight taking all the advantages you can in the street is smart money and avoiding unnecessary risks. Most people will never see your level of experience and their ability to counter this move is no where near your level. Because you have already spent years training it and learning to avoid it because of your grappling experience. You have a preconceived bias but you spent years training this move if you are a grappling champion it’s just the facts. All grapplers train this move its fundamentals plan and simple. Nothing but respect if I ever find myself in your area of the world I would love to train and learn from you.
i would love to see some advises to do a fist - there are 2 different thumbs types out there the ohne Cliff has and the other one with one less flexibel joint on the thumb. and also which part of a fist should hit the opponent in which situation.. 99&% dont know about anything about fists
Isn't this kind of armdrag more good for a sucker punch than for a streetfight that's actually started? When you're against an opponent who knows the fight has started, as soon as you grab their wrist they're going to pull it away and bend their arm in the process so you need to grab high on their tricep or into their armpit since that grip is more sticky and harder for them to pull out. grabbing just above the elbow is too lose and their arm will already be bent so you likely aren't going to get that kind of armbar effect where you hyper extend their straightened arm. edit the way he grabs the wrist in a circle at 8:50 neutralises this potential problem
Yeah… much of MDS is a “before the fight starts” kind of system. But also Cliff did emphasis to stick your arm in more to avoid any misses. Much of the moves in this video are moves that need to be practiced so you’re fast at them as well.
No such thing as "dirty" in the street. Yes, not only would I but I have used such things in the street. It really isn't hard to hurt a human body, the hard part is fixing one. Fighters have it easy compared to the doctors who have to fix all the fun stuff done. have done a lot of training on mats (dojo), fights in rings/cages and a lot (maybe way too many) fights in the streets. Of course that was back in my younger days. Arm Drag can be a devastating, painful and fight ending technique when done with intent and in survival mode.
@@StripMallSensei I have had my shoulder separated in training, that wasn't fun. I broke a guys leg in a cage fight once. well, it was his knee cap. It broke in two and moved to the side of his leg. The doc came in and grabbed it, pinched it together and pulled it back to where it was supposed to go, all that in the cage. The guy even got up and hobbled over to me and held my hand up afterward. That one is actually on RUclips.
Ok guys I’m slightly baffled about some of the comments. I understand if I would have done some super funky cutting edge move and call it a self defense magic move, but I did an arm drag used in wrestling, BJJ, grappling, kung fu, judo, etc, etc. it’s a sport move!!!!!! Still I have all these people saying bullshido and it would never work cause it’s not pressure tested!? It is used by everyone everywhere and still people want to poo poo this. I was just showing people different versions of a tried and true technique used everyday everywhere throughout sport fighting. Please tell me how if I was giving a total win to a sport technique do you still say it’s crap?!?!?! Get your stories straight. Or just come out and say you want to be a troll no matter what I post. Thank you to those that saw the merit in my video, much respect 🙏🙏
Ok it comes down to timing and how much you practice this technique. If you don’t practice then the time needed to pull of an arm drag is substantial. If you make it a regular part of your training regiment then it can be pulled off in the beat between punches. It’s used in wrestling which is always at break neck paces. I use it in fights it has to be used when you have a pause in the timing. The more you practice the better your reaction time. Simple fundamentals. Hope this helps
@@nepntzerZer You wouldn't think about using a technique that lets you break someone's arm so they can't throw hands? Weird thought process, here is hoping you don't get in too many fights :)
We were working on these arm drag techniques in class and they really do get a great (pain) reaction from your opponent. Wish I’d known this move in high school
@ I try and make it out to Riverside to train with Cliff when I can but it’s quite the trek for me. I train under another of Fred’s students out of Ventura County. Keep up the great content! My friends and I watch them all.
Honestly this guy is half right. Too much hypothetical best case scenarios. Example: when he did the arm drag properly then said that he didn’t want to waste energy, then showed a nice easy walk around with no resistance. I’ll bet he later (or in his principles) contradicts this. He actually demonstrates it “full speed” and doesn’t move much, just spins the uke around. Arm drag = move the arm (or person) or get to their back or both. Go 100% on the move, and give yourself the best chance at success. Rationing energy means higher risk of failure To say that pain response has no effectiveness is wrong, but what’s even more “wrong” (in a martial sense) is to say that it works every time. The silliest thing one could say. Too many examples of amateur athletes playing through pain. They even have rules in youth wrestling that prevents certain holds because enough kids would rather push through pain and possibly injure themselves rather then give up a position or pin.
So many folks that don't understand the difference between the dojo and the street.... I watched a 4th Dan BB get whipped like a school girl because he had never been in a real fight... he quit going to Karate and everything after that....
It is true… sport fighting can be very different than aggressive street fighting. Although sport fighters can have the upper hand depending on what they practice.
I love it when the wing chun and karate practitioners see their techniques in this stuff . It’s very interesting to me. Thank you for pointing that out.
Getting away from an attacker is winning but I've seen too many real world situations that ended up real bad for the person trying to run away because they didn't give themselves a window. Also yes, the drag break and other kinds of breaks were extremely prevalent in what I was taught. I like arm drags that set up the liver shot. In any fight where I need to create a window to get away, I'm going for the liver. Because any hit after a liver shot, if they don't go down to it, is guaranteed to open up a window and small people can do it too. I have an advantage in that regard being a southpaw but still. The other one that is weird but works is slapping to the back of the head and using dynamic tension to rip their hair out. A lot of people really don't understand how effective slapping someone in a fight is. You don't even have to use the pankration style palm strikes. There is also a pretty good situation from an arm drag where you can use the momentum to deliver a bone strike to the back of the neck (if you don't know what a bone strike is, Bas Rutten talks about them in some of his videos. Basically a hammerfist but you drive the strike with the long bones of the forearm.) Really informative and practical. You got a new subscriber.
You are absolutely right about all of this. Hair ripping too! As I train more I am also falling in love with arm drags and liver shot! It’s so nice how effective it is.
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You’re the only RUclipsr who uses incredibly humorous methods to showcase street self-defense. It’s clear you’re very clever, and your approach is refreshingly different from typical self-defense tutorials. I really love your innovative style, and I’m a big fan of Cliff too! I hope to see more videos featuring him. Thanks again!
Thank you! That means a lot to me!!!!
Perfectly explained. This channel is worth more than Gold.
@@N0_UNITY thank you!
I have used arm drags to neutralize possible attacks from confused patients in an inpatient setting.
No striking in involved. No injuries to either party.
Once the back is taken they can't hit you. (Watch for head butt backwards and foot stomp. Which can be avoided.)
Sometimes you only need to win long enough for help to come, which may not be long at a jobsite.
I agree 90% of the time it wins.
That's really interesting that you use it to help with patient care!
Head control or head pressure.
I like that he encourages you to do the moves on him. Many of the tough Self-Defense guys just show their moves on physically smaller people.
He was tired of people thinking that he likes to beat people up. 😂 he made me do the moves in the last videos I did, but I cut those parts out. So I included it in this video.
This is even funnier if you watch Fred Mastro videos.
"Getting away from your attacker is winning" , Wisdom rite there !
Yes. Don’t stay and fight!!!
Cliff is a truly humble individual who is also very adept at what he does - his teaching method is super! And you my friend are doing a sterling job interviewing such talented teachers/instructors who freely share their knowledge of practical street protection. Your videos are refreshingly different on a very serious subject.
Thank you so much! That means a lot!!
Arm drag to Russian two on one can be very effective when you use your shoulder together with movement to drag them down to the ground.
A student of mine who works security at the prefecture here in Lille was attacked by someone with a hammer. He stuffed the attack with a two on one control, arm drag to Russian, and smashed the guy to the ground where he was able to contain him.
That’s awesome!!!!
The problem is uneducated people who don't understand what you just said. The arm drag is not so you can stay standing, it must be followed through, a two on one if left standing gives away your back, you (as you say) must take the guy to the ground as soon as you are that close that your heads are practically touching.
I have been learning these in my gym. This has really helped my understanding of what we are trying to do. Thank you.
I’m so glad it helped!
Cliff's confidence level is what I want to achieve. Confidence wins the day.
Me too! 😂
Cliff's confidence is gonna be the shitter if he ever tries to arm drag anyone in sort of live go cuz that shit isnt working
@ were you day drinking and decided it would be cool to post comments on RUclips?
This was a video about helping people understand arm drags, not a contest to see if I could pull arm drags off. But hey if that’s what you want, you saw where my gym is come in let’s train and we can experiment and I’ll see if it as impossible as you say to pull an arm drags on you? Maybe you’re that super skilled wrestler that they don’t work on. It doesn’t work on everyone every time but my success rates is pretty good for an old guy.
Cruise on in let’s have some fun training and exchanging ideas. I always love trading with good partners.
@@jackmehoff915 Ha, so one of the highest yield moves from one of the most proven and battle tested methods of fighting, wrestling, won't work..? That's interesting.
In my experience, arm drags and duck unders are like magic tricks to most people.
Thank you & Chris for sharing. You have contributed to my fight IQ in many familiar & different ways. Remember guys, "Take what is useful."🙏
Amen 🙏
How can you hate this guy... He is amazing 💪
Cliff is VERY knowledgeable. I appreciate his wisdom!
A tip for when you pull the arm (or yourself) is to place your shoulder next to theirs. If you pull their right arm you put your right shoulder next to their right shoulder. This is so that you don't stay facing the opponent as you move because if you do, any wing chun guy would directly turn to face you and punch you with the other hand before you finish the step. If you have your shoulder there, your head is out of reach and protected during the move, then you can do whatever.
Also fun story regarding the kick them to get them down and choke thing.
When our grandmaster wanted to show us the exact same move he picked the largest guy in class who was a 2.1 meter behemoth while he himself is a rather short guy. He did not reach. He kicked and it had zero effect. So what did he do? He simply kicked again and used that inner knee to climb on top of him! Again if they don't move, you can move yourself.
That’s so cool with the grandmaster story! So you’re saying the wing chun guy would maintain his center line?
@@StripMallSensei Yes, its pretty natural. As soon as the opponent has both of their hands on your single arm, the other arm is free to attack. And because you want to reach them you turn too. Thats why the elbow lock, shoulder to shoulder or getting to their back is very important as it prevents them to complete the turn.
I definitely learned a lot with this video. Great work and thank you so much for bringing us this content!
THANK YOU FOR WATCHING IT!!!!
Most of My learning lately has been through RUclips. When I was taught the arm drag maneuver (taichiquan) I was told "let the arm guide you" and circular movements were a theme. It's nice to know there are other ways of doing things. Experimentation helps
Absolutely. That's what I like about Cliff. He has a method for any style. I really appreciated how he showed me tips to improve my Russian Arm Drag.
Good stuff!! What I just watched takes what I always tell people (stay calm, move in and strike the soft targets) and builds on it!! Cliff is very good physically and(!) mentally!! Your mind is the best tool/weapon you have!!!🤔
Not my mind though. It needs more work! 😂
Just another awesome video with Cliff! You were moving really well yourself especially at the end clips of the video! Great work!
Thank you 🙏
Wrestling has always been very effective. Tricks like this just add to something that's already great. Of course I'd use it.
I’m glad you got a little nugget out of this. It makes me feel like I am doing something worthwhile. Thank you!
@StripMallSensei This is my first exposure to your channel, and I subscribed immediately. Guys like you and Kevin Lee are doing great things.
Thank you that means so much to me!
The lining up side by side is definitely for wrestling\grappling you get there knowing the opponent wants to square back up giving you shots or possibly setting up throws in most cases.
Interesting. Yeah, I learned it for weapon control.
I really like this. Simple, Efficient and effective.
It really is!
I love how Cliff intertwines MDS with wrestling techniques like the arm drag. That’s the beauty of MDS; it incorporates and enhances what you already do (wrestling, boxing, Muay Thai, Wing Chun, etc), not replaces it.
I agree its all very versatile!
MDS = Mastro Defense System? I recognize the small arm drag from Silat.
Another name, still MMA philosophy.
@@taoizt3846 nobody said MDS invented the arm drag. Many systems use it. And MDS was originally based in Silat. Plus I’m pretty sure Cliff gave credit to wrestling for where he learned it. He’s just incorporating it into MDS.
@@tacticalsapper or JKD philosophy. Absorb what is useful, discard the rest. Don’t be limited by one system. And Fred Mastro definitely follows that philosophy.
Simple is usually more effective than complicated. There are no rules in a real fight, but a lot of people think movies and mma when thinking self defense
True. I like course motor techniques usually.
@ yep in the thick out it gross motor movement usually is extremely effective 😀 your channel definitely got me subscribing lol
Masters of anything have to master the fundamentals first, and most ppl notice they can get lots of mileage out of those fundamentals if they take the time to learn some of them well enough.
Finally someone on the same page as Vee Jiu Jitsu, Professor James. Self offense/defense and not fighting; unless you have too.
Indeed!
I have been waiting for you to upload a new video. Thanks a lot for your work!
Thank you! That means a lot to me!
This is a Catch As Catch Can style arm drag. As in many CACC techniques, there is nothing gentle about it. Good stuff!
CACC? That’s interesting. 🤔
If I see this guy headed my way , I am going to be very polite and smile a lot !
Haha. Yeah but Cliff is a sweetheart in real life.
More schools should teach these kinds of techniques.
I agree
Good stuff! It's so easy to get stuck into one dimensional thinking where you're limited doing any particular fighting style. I find it requires awareness and intent to remind oneself of the many applications and techniques that can spring up from training within any particular style or technique itself.
Amen!
Brilliant stuff.
Thank you!
You've created a good niche of quality no-nonsense teachers with a sense of humour. Love it! Thanks Strip Mall Sensei! 😂♥🙏
Thank you for saying that! It means a lot to me. Seriously.
What do you mean by “nonessense” when you stated “no-nonsense?”
I weigh 152 and it works for me! It's self contained move as well as one that leads into many other options.
That’s awesome. What do you train?
Love this stuff the common sense attitude
Thank you!!
Best counter to an arm drag is an arm drag. Clear example if you freeze frame at 13:15 where you initiated the arm drag, but end up in a completely neutral position, if Cliff resisted he could just pull the back of your bicep and counter arm drag you back. You're supposed to trap the hand like Cliff already shows at 12:46, however there's always an opportunity to counter arm drag when they advance the position if your ready for it.
Absolutely true .
I agree!
Certainly would and have, on point
Dope!!!
Cliff is soooo much fun to play with...Fantastic! I'm looking forward to getting together soon
He’s a good guy!
Absolutely. Great info. 100% agree
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
Excellent guidance - sound advice and very relaxed practical techniques - thank you
I appreciate you watching it! 🙏
Awesome video on self defense, Coach Cliff is an amazing instructor, falou galera 🤙👊
Thank you! Cliff is the man!
I use this armdrag on bottom or from butterfly. Great way to get a more dominant position for basic defence
That's really cool! I need to go look up the butterfly position though. I can't remember what that is. lol
An entire self defense video without an endless stream of profanity. Thank you.
You are very welcome. 🙏 I want dudes to be able to watch these videos with their family in the room and not have to turn it off because of naughty language. 😂
This is excellent! Thanks for sharing!
THANK YOU!!!!
Great stuff, thanks!
My pleasure! Glad you liked it!
Love your bowling ball remark
It definitely is descriptive. lol
Excellent video thank you
Thank you for watching! 🙏
Do this before it turns into a fight, not during a fight. Do it wrong and you'll probably start a fight.
Yeah. I think that’s a wise choice.
Arm drag and get behind was my number one thing I used during security work. Just before a fight was about to kick off.
What does your handle mean??
Don’t do this at all. All of these kinds of “teachers” are a joke. They’re for weak, scared guys who are ignorant enough to not realize this guy is full of it.
Right.... David James AJ
Trainer is a great teacher
He’s awesome!
I really like this. Fred Mastro is amazing. I am NOT him I will NEVER be him. Cliff I can get behind this.
I would love to see his take on multiple attackers.
I will talk to Cliff about that! Great idea!
🙏🏽!
Enjoy your content, even if I never have to use them
Glad you like them! 🙌
Keep going brother you doin a great job thank you
That means a lot to me! Thank you!
Great video!!!
Thank you! 🙏
While this was excellent, excellent content.Thank you so much.Reposting it.
How will you be reposting it?
A lot of the arm drag moves remind me of aikido and the strikes remind me of kenpo karate
Cliff’s videos often get comments from wing Chun, or karate guys. They often see similarities. His response is usually. “I’ve never studied any of those. I must be some kind of Rain man.” 😂
@@StripMallSensei lol i guess
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Simple effective! Subscribed!
Thank you!!!!!!!
Love the video! Just one thing I noticed you are doing wrong. With a person with tight arms, Cliff is punching with a vertical fist. That's good. You were punching with a horizontal fist. In this case, a horizontal fist will put a lot of force on your pinky knuckle and could break your hand (Boxer's fracture). A problem I have when doing an arm drag standing is my opponent can circle and neutralize the drag.
Good point. I’m not sure why he did horizontal fist. I’ll ask him.
@@StripMallSensei He did it because it's narrower. Just have the thumb on top of the fingers. That's my opinion anyway. I did really like the video. I have a 5th Dan in both Tracy's Kenpo and Kang Duk Won Karate and do submission grappling but always trying to add to my skill set. Thank you!
I looked back and realize what you were talking about. 😂 I didn’t punch through the proper way.
Very effective. I love it.
Glad to hear it! I appreciate you watching!
Great video indeed!
Thank you for watching!
I wish that he has a channel teaching this ! 😢
Stay tuned. Big things are happening next year!
I enjoy your videos very much peace
I appreciate you! Thank you for saying that. 🙏
The issue I see with all the “self defense” spin on everything is this: you can’t actually drill the move as it is intended. Or you’ll hurt your partner. Which means when fight or flight kicks in, you’ve never actually done it on a person who is fully resisting or when you’re full of adrenaline. However, I’ve suplexed, double legged, RNC’ed, etc. fully resisting people tens of thousands of times over the course of the last 13 years… it’s not rocket science folks. If you want to learn self defense training take MMA classes and carry a pistol at all times.
I respectfully disagree. I have trained and still train combat fighting and shooting with special team members from the US and multiple other countries. I have trained with current and retired swat team members and the idea with training safety is to dry fire practice your moves with precision and slowly build speed and confidence in your partners then pick up speed in your drills so that you train safely but as close to real as possible.
Sport fighting is good and you have a distinct advantage against the general public but against someone who trains combat style fighting you are at a slight disadvantage. I train and love sport fighting and will always love wrestling. I am working with a couple of high caliber wrestlers and operators to add more wrestling components to combat fighting. Merging my two loves.
The fundamental flaw in your statement is every military, every police force, basically every who has to terminate life for their job does not rely on the way you suggest training.
You will hesitate when the time comes.
I respectfully disagree. I have trained and still train combat fighting and shooting with special team members from the US and multiple other countries. I have trained with current and retired swat team members and the idea with training safety is to dry fire practice your moves with precision and slowly build speed and confidence in your partners then pick up speed in your drills so that you train safely but as close to real as possible.
Sport fighting is good and you have a distinct advantage against the general public but against someone who trains combat style fighting you are at a slight disadvantage. I train and love sport fighting and will always love wrestling. I am working with a couple of high caliber wrestlers and operators to add more wrestling components to combat fighting. Merging my two loves.
The fundamental flaw in your statement is every military, every police force, basically every who has to terminate life for their job does not rely on the way you suggest training.
You will hesitate when the time comes.
I did when I first converted over to this style training. We all do. It’s just changing your mind set
I kind of agree with Cliff on this one here. 😂 Although training mma is great too.
@@CliffOdette I appreciate your response. It was unexpected to hear from the man himself. We will agree to disagree, but let me give you my thoughts. To give some context, I've been training a long time across many martial arts. Folk style, free style, judo, wing chun, ateinza kali, muay thai, and currently I am a BJJ instructor. I am specifically arguing about the most effective way to train for self defense in daily life scenarios. Military tactics are a different story, and I wont claim to know much of anything about that. I do think that the way hand to hand is trained for military/police ought to be basically the same as it is for civilians though because the principles I am about to outline will still stand, and I believe there are no silver bullets. Based on your comment it sounds like we mostly agree on how this stuff works. Yet, we've arrived at different conclusions- probably because of time and budgetary constraints that I'll mention below. The first paragraph of your comment is spot on. I take issue with the last two. In finance, there is an old saying. "Time in the market is more important than timing." What I'm essentially arguing for is time in. You need to be able to apply what you know in real life scenarios time and time again in order to be effective. (We agree on this.) All the advanced (and maximally violent) methods of fighting are thrown to the wayside when your basics and fundamentals arent there. For example: take a guy who is nasty at your arm drag series and dirty boxing, but that’s really all he’s good at, and for whatever reason none of it is there in the split second he has to react... He’s a fish out of water until that arm drag/dirty boxing presents itself. This might work 90% of the time, but if you're interested in self defense that last 10% is probably still a real concern. In the chaos of a real life altercation, there are just too many variables to consider. What are the dimensions of the physical space you’re in, where are you, who else is around, what level of force is actually appropriate in this situation? We have to be well rounded everywhere, and there is no short cut to getting here. The "basics and fundamentals" are going to take many many years for almost everyone to learn and to be proficient at. Not months or weeks. Police, military, etc, when it comes to hand to hand fighting are given months or weeks of training. There simply isn't time to fully prepare these guys to be actually proficient at hand to hand combat. It also isn't cost effective, specially for the military because guns are basically always involved. For police though, most altercations are going to be resolved hand to hand. But again, "time in" is the issue here. So, we give them the most cost effective thing with regards to actual preparedness for hand to hand: confidence to engage through a little bit of training. For your average person interested in self defense time/money isnt a constraint. Just get in the gym and learn over the course of years. Get hundreds if not thousands of motion patterns ingrained in your body and mind when fighting other trained people, and you wont hesitate in a real life altercation because the amount of thinking you have to do is minimal, whatever your opponent does, you'll have something for it. Lastly, it has been proven that police officers with consistent grappling training are significantly less likely to get injured in an on the job altercation. People being arrested by police with a higher grappling pedigree are also about less likely to get injured during an arrest. Use of tasers and other non-lethal weapons goes down as well. But again, time and money. Two things we can't get back. Thanks.
I appreciate you taking the time to write your response. It’s very simple practice makes perfect we both agree. The moves I show are based in sport fighting, all I did is add the stuff back in that was considered unsportsmanlike.
I love sport fighting, that will always be my roots, I’m just de-evolving into a simpler mindset.
With time in the fight be it sport or self defense you reach that moment of readiness. Hours upon hrs logged.
It’s real simple self defense is a mentality and a willing to do whatever to win. All the moves come from the same origins. Before sport there was self defense and combat. It’s a wheel and the moves keep getting re- named to fit the situation.
These moves started because someone needed not to die and over centuries they have been refined. I just want to unrefine them a little.
Keep training I enjoyed the conversation.
Ace!!!
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Very nice.
Thank you 🙏
Everyday you get home safe is a win.
Amen 🙏
Very good stuff in this video. Now just Drill Baby Drill.
Good call! Practice makes perfect!
Really interesting! Many thanks!
Thank you for watching!
Thanks! great content.
I appreciate you for watching it! Thank you!
Strip Mall Sensei, I love your videos!
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these are basics technique of my Jeet Kun Do course. You should show them to everyone who compares martial arts for self defense, giving always A or S to Boxe e MMA and F to JKD
IcyMike has said a few times the thing you demonstrated. We as fighters don't train to run away and in a real fight, that could hurt us. You were told to run away, and still took his back.
I think it’s about creating options. Discouraging your opponent with something then running is better than just running on its own.
@@StripMallSensei
Agreed. My first coach always said to make a first contact during self-defense so that we give the bad guy something to think about before we actually do whatever. That includes running away.
Very good and creative I like it interesting stuff man 👍🏻
I appreciate that!
No such thing as “dirty” in street fighting. That mindset gets people hurt.
Agreed
Pretty cool stuff
Thank you!!!
In my opinion arm drag is the most usuless move in street fight. But im only a italian heavyweight champion in grappling class A, mma fighter, bare knuckle fighter whit a score of 32 win 0 loss and work in security for 8 years... What i know?
You have a very respectable resume. Because of your size you prefer to stay in front and trade punches. No image you are not you, but someone that weighs 70 kilos facing someone weighing in at 110 kilos. The advantage of getting off line and to someone’s side while having all your tools is a distinct advantage in a fight and you can’t argue that it’s not.
Also let’s address the fact you bounce. The advantage of taking someone’s back within a split second to avoid blows is a more professional approach for high end protection then standing toe to toe in a dive bar.
I sure you are a proficient fighter and your record sounds amazing. But in a fight taking all the advantages you can in the street is smart money and avoiding unnecessary risks.
Most people will never see your level of experience and their ability to counter this move is no where near your level. Because you have already spent years training it and learning to avoid it because of your grappling experience. You have a preconceived bias but you spent years training this move if you are a grappling champion it’s just the facts. All grapplers train this move its fundamentals plan and simple.
Nothing but respect if I ever find myself in your area of the world I would love to train and learn from you.
@CliffOdette you welcome 🙂
I agree with Cliff. You are well trained and have a lot of other tricks up your sleeve.
@@StripMallSensei is only a suggest... Don't start a fight whit an arm drag 😉🙂
i would love to see some advises to do a fist - there are 2 different thumbs types out there the ohne Cliff has and the other one with one less flexibel joint on the thumb. and also which part of a fist should hit the opponent in which situation..
99&% dont know about anything about fists
That’s interesting. 🤔 I’ll have to ask him about that.
@@StripMallSensei appreciate
He's my kind of Sensei...
He’s great!
Isn't this kind of armdrag more good for a sucker punch than for a streetfight that's actually started? When you're against an opponent who knows the fight has started, as soon as you grab their wrist they're going to pull it away and bend their arm in the process so you need to grab high on their tricep or into their armpit since that grip is more sticky and harder for them to pull out. grabbing just above the elbow is too lose and their arm will already be bent so you likely aren't going to get that kind of armbar effect where you hyper extend their straightened arm. edit the way he grabs the wrist in a circle at 8:50 neutralises this potential problem
Yeah… much of MDS is a “before the fight starts” kind of system. But also Cliff did emphasis to stick your arm in more to avoid any misses. Much of the moves in this video are moves that need to be practiced so you’re fast at them as well.
I liked this video because sport fighting is just that, a sport. Street fighting is completely different. It's brutal.
It’s definitely good to get some non-traditional fight styles into your diet.
He's elbow deep in the armpit to secure the drag. Got it 👍
Yessir
For some of us, the old school is all we have ever done.
That's true. I have never been super coordinated. I like that some of this can be done at a low resolution.
No rules if you are in danger on the street
Indeed!
Have you ever trained with Dan the wolf man ?
I have not. 🤔 tell me more.
@@StripMallSensei have a look at his arm drags and his common sense self defence he is well known and respected as same as your man
No such thing as "dirty" in the street. Yes, not only would I but I have used such things in the street. It really isn't hard to hurt a human body, the hard part is fixing one. Fighters have it easy compared to the doctors who have to fix all the fun stuff done. have done a lot of training on mats (dojo), fights in rings/cages and a lot (maybe way too many) fights in the streets. Of course that was back in my younger days. Arm Drag can be a devastating, painful and fight ending technique when done with intent and in survival mode.
Oof I wouldn’t want to be the post fight doctor. 😂
@@StripMallSensei I have had my shoulder separated in training, that wasn't fun. I broke a guys leg in a cage fight once. well, it was his knee cap. It broke in two and moved to the side of his leg. The doc came in and grabbed it, pinched it together and pulled it back to where it was supposed to go, all that in the cage. The guy even got up and hobbled over to me and held my hand up afterward. That one is actually on RUclips.
Ok guys I’m slightly baffled about some of the comments. I understand if I would have done some super funky cutting edge move and call it a self defense magic move, but I did an arm drag used in wrestling, BJJ, grappling, kung fu, judo, etc, etc. it’s a sport move!!!!!!
Still I have all these people saying bullshido and it would never work cause it’s not pressure tested!? It is used by everyone everywhere and still people want to poo poo this. I was just showing people different versions of a tried and true technique used everyday everywhere throughout sport fighting.
Please tell me how if I was giving a total win to a sport technique do you still say it’s crap?!?!?!
Get your stories straight.
Or just come out and say you want to be a troll no matter what I post.
Thank you to those that saw the merit in my video, much respect 🙏🙏
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I kid you not, you just solved the gedan barai uke for us karatekas. Lol
Interesting! Please tell me more!
But if they bend their arm in a 90% angle sir?
90 degrees in the wrong way you mean?
But what if they put that tape athletes use to prevent mussle tears on the inner elbow?
Well... This is not meant for the Dojo. This is a self defense move. More than likely your average joe in the bar won’t have arm tape.
Head but the coller bone?
This is Catch style (check out scientific wrestling on RUclips)
Jiujitsu=Gentle art
Catch Wrestling=Brutal art
I’ve been hearing a lot about this in the comments. I need to check it out.
@StripMallSensei Snake Pit USA is also a great resource to learn Catch
21:50 Why do these shin kicks piss me off? 😂 It makes MY shins ache just watching. 😂 Shins are a cheat code; 💯 effective.
You should watch the video we did together about dirty ground techniques. He goes more into shin kicks there.
@@StripMallSensei I’ll def check it out!
how practical when hands are thrown though ?
Lemme have Cliff chime in. I’ll pas a this comment along to him.
Ok it comes down to timing and how much you practice this technique. If you don’t practice then the time needed to pull of an arm drag is substantial. If you make it a regular part of your training regiment then it can be pulled off in the beat between punches. It’s used in wrestling which is always at break neck paces. I use it in fights it has to be used when you have a pause in the timing. The more you practice the better your reaction time. Simple fundamentals. Hope this helps
i wouldn’t even be thinking about this with someone who really knew how to throw hands, but maybe your average 10 second block head..
Short answer, it isn't.
@@nepntzerZer You wouldn't think about using a technique that lets you break someone's arm so they can't throw hands? Weird thought process, here is hoping you don't get in too many fights :)
Does this guy have a youtube channel?
We are considering putting one together for him next year.
We were working on these arm drag techniques in class and they really do get a great (pain) reaction from your opponent. Wish I’d known this move in high school
You’re a student of Cliff right?
@ I try and make it out to Riverside to train with Cliff when I can but it’s quite the trek for me. I train under another of Fred’s students out of Ventura County. Keep up the great content! My friends and I watch them all.
aikido techniques
He often gets told his techniques look like aikido or wing chun. 😂
Honestly this guy is half right. Too much hypothetical best case scenarios. Example: when he did the arm drag properly then said that he didn’t want to waste energy, then showed a nice easy walk around with no resistance. I’ll bet he later (or in his principles) contradicts this. He actually demonstrates it “full speed” and doesn’t move much, just spins the uke around.
Arm drag = move the arm (or person) or get to their back or both. Go 100% on the move, and give yourself the best chance at success. Rationing energy means higher risk of failure
To say that pain response has no effectiveness is wrong, but what’s even more “wrong” (in a martial sense) is to say that it works every time. The silliest thing one could say. Too many examples of amateur athletes playing through pain. They even have rules in youth wrestling that prevents certain holds because enough kids would rather push through pain and possibly injure themselves rather then give up a position or pin.
he gave you a good spanking at 21:08 ! 😂
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@@StripMallSensei the true way to win a street fight! 😆
If you pull on their wrist (drag) they won't pull back and slip out of your hand that's on their elbow area.
Yes
@@StripMallSensei Wow! That's a weak response on a key issue. Enjoyed the vid!
Oh, sorry. I guess I didn’t understand your statement. 😂 I thought you were saying what Cliff was saying. What did you mean?
Not quite following what you’re trying to say please elaborate more.
So many folks that don't understand the difference between the dojo and the street.... I watched a 4th Dan BB get whipped like a school girl because he had never been in a real fight... he quit going to Karate and everything after that....
It is true… sport fighting can be very different than aggressive street fighting. Although sport fighters can have the upper hand depending on what they practice.
Just subd liked
THANK YOU!!!!!
Do simulations with live resistance... Obviously do put rules in place to prevent injury.... basically as real as safely possible
Yeah Cliff likes to train that way. He doesn’t even use gloves in class
Hikite ❤
I love it when the wing chun and karate practitioners see their techniques in this stuff . It’s very interesting to me. Thank you for pointing that out.
You have to survive sometimes , a fighting teacher always said to us , do it friendly ......think about this ,please , it sounds stupid.....
Getting away from an attacker is winning but I've seen too many real world situations that ended up real bad for the person trying to run away because they didn't give themselves a window. Also yes, the drag break and other kinds of breaks were extremely prevalent in what I was taught. I like arm drags that set up the liver shot. In any fight where I need to create a window to get away, I'm going for the liver. Because any hit after a liver shot, if they don't go down to it, is guaranteed to open up a window and small people can do it too. I have an advantage in that regard being a southpaw but still. The other one that is weird but works is slapping to the back of the head and using dynamic tension to rip their hair out. A lot of people really don't understand how effective slapping someone in a fight is. You don't even have to use the pankration style palm strikes. There is also a pretty good situation from an arm drag where you can use the momentum to deliver a bone strike to the back of the neck (if you don't know what a bone strike is, Bas Rutten talks about them in some of his videos. Basically a hammerfist but you drive the strike with the long bones of the forearm.)
Really informative and practical. You got a new subscriber.
You are absolutely right about all of this. Hair ripping too! As I train more I am also falling in love with arm drags and liver shot! It’s so nice how effective it is.
Sometimes life's a drag.
At times YES! lol
I got that reference:)