How a V12 LS engine is made
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- In June 2016 we showed you the wild engine creation from the team at V12LS.com. Using two factory OEM aluminium LS1 engine blocks, the guys effectively created a 519ci V12 version of an LS1 engine, and proved this prototype concept on the dyno where it easily made over 700hp. Later that year at The SEMA Show this very same engine was on display in Quality Custom Ride’s 67 Camaro where it proved to be extremely popular.
Since then this car has undergone further tuning where it cranked out a cool 624hp on a hub dyno along with a strong flat torque curve. This engine still retains stock LS1 pistons and rods along with unported 241 cylinder heads.
Not resting on their laurels, the V12LS team set about creating a 1-piece block resulting in superior strength and durability. This required a complete ground up design incorporating 3D core printing and pattern making. Available in both aluminium and cast iron, this block pictured is a 4.125in LSX bore size, giving a displacement of 9.5L or 580 cubic inches.
The future looks promising with LS7 style heads just around the corner, the next goal is to push past the naturally aspirated 1000hp mark on pump fuel using a forged rotating assembly from JE Pistons. One question we know a few will be asking is will we see a boosted version going forward? The short answer is... YES!
These engines are available in both a turn key deal or a builder package. For more information check out www.V12LS.com
If you’d like to be notified every time we upload a video, subscribe and then click the bell icon next to the subscription button.
www.fullBOOST.c...
Get your track gear!
shop.fullboost....
Support us on Patreon
/ fullboost
Follow us on social media @
Google+
plus.google.co...
Facebook
/ fullboostcomau
RUclips
/ fullboostcomau
Twitter
/ fullboostcomau
Instagram
/ fullboostcomau
COPYRIGHT WARNING:
The above video is copyrighted © to Fullboost
You do not have permission to download it and re-upload it anywhere in any form. You can click the share button on RUclips for that, or copy/paste the URL to social media.
On a long enough timeline everything gets an LS.
Even a V12.
-regular car reviews
Why the 90 degree bank angle?
Because the LS V-8 does?
A V-12 should have a 60 degree bank angle.
@@ronnelson7828 Not if you're going with a cross plane crank setup, which demands a V angle of 90 degrees, which I personally think is more ideal for both V8's and V12's alike. Flatplane crank engines are a tad overrated I feel.
@@yellowmalice3036 Precisely. Crossplane crankshafts offer the best balance and the smoothest running. Flatplane crankshafts offer a more organized firing order.
@@НиколайАнтонов-я8е and flat plane sounds amazing. 😂
Throw it in the c8 mid engine Corvette and make all the other super car manufacturer s cry
I most definitely concur with this notion
Landon Rice you sound like if car companies care at all about what really people want
i was going to say that
@@rennycepeda6576 Oof
I’m 100 likes
Not resting on their laurels, the V12LS team set about creating a 1-piece block resulting in superior strength and durability. This required a complete ground up design incorporating 3D core printing and pattern making. Available in both aluminium and cast iron, this block pictured is a 4.125in LSX bore size, giving a displacement of 9.5L or 580 cubic inches.
Fullboost a v12 first Gen F body is just nuts... thanks for the video!
That's so beautiful it just about drops me to one knee weeping. The sound is a clean split between a pro-stock and a vintage Ferrari.
You haven’t heard either have you?
Can't wait to see what a twin turbo powered v12 ls will produce. 🤤
Alloy LS? I wonder where the failed 'Joss' supercar chassis is parked,.... :D
Even the LS gets a LS swap
LOL
Epic I love it
🤣
I would love to see a destroked one with the 4.8L (3.267”) crank and the LS3 style 4.065” pistons for a 9000rpm screamer!!
alex baracskai there's a group producing a LS that's spinning at 12k+ right now I think (I might be wrong with the number) I'd like to see what they could do with this block
Uriah Siner I know there’s race engines that hit that number, I’ve seen big blocks hit 10k pretty easy. But a street-able destroked V12 is what I’d like to see some day.
Hayabusa V8 spins to over 10rpm 2,8 liter 455hp, ,given its size it makes this monster v12 look weak ,
,thekneeslider.com/hayabusa-v8-grows-up-28-liter-455bhp/
Much harder to get the same performance per displacement on a larger engine because the operating velocities of the parts has increased considerably but the construction materials haven't changed. If you scaled the hayabusa design up to 10L the pistons would probably melt and the cam lobes get chewed off at 10K rpm. Seen many ship engines doing 10K rpm lately?
TMM ruclips.net/video/eaBjNz0LKAY/видео.html
GM built a 702cuin, V12 in 1960. 225hp but an incredible 650+ ftlbs of torque at only 2500rpm.
It was a small production used in fire trucks and large trucks. A few can still be found but parts are almost nonexistent. There is a company that will build one up for you but plan on that wallet spitting out around $60K.
They sounded good tho.
Ron Fry There is a guy with one on youtube he will be putting in a rat rod... Impala something something is his username.
Like so...ruclips.net/video/vtfPFLQMbUM/видео.html
I didn’t even think about how 3d printing could help with casting processes until I saw this! That’s amazing.
You Aussies don't mess about when it comes to engines....💪💪💪👍👍👍
Will this fit in my honda? I'm wanting some more torque
It's bigger than your honda
It's just a "bolt on" mod
Sieve, get two k24 blocks make a v8. 10krpm 5.2L is what you would end up with. Just need a custom crank, custom crankcase, custom reverse head and reverse camshafts on one side.
Considering you can get about 380wheel on pump gas out of a k27, you are looking at 760+ out of the v8 naturally aspirated. And the K's make torque at idle already.
500wheel each bank for methanol naturally aspirated.
430wheel each bank for e85 naturally aspirated.
Just throw a turbo kit on your car..
520 cubic inches and over 700hp. And still there are idiots saying it should "make more power". Well over 1hp per cubic inch and factory like reliability, that is a very nice package. It should do well in the marine market.
It's more power than what most boosted v12s made back then or even now, i think it's pretty impressive
It's pretty decent, but now days you can buy a crate motor for under $10k that makes over 800bhp, naturally aspirated V8 with a warranty to boot
1.35 hp per cubic inch is pretty terrible on a modern engine, even for factory reliability.
1hp per ci is so 20 years ago
Nathan Coulombe Then explain why that 1.3 is about where every single mass production vehicle engine falls today, starting with the Toyota Camry?
That is a really cool and beautiful engine. That would work well in the big body Chevys like the old 60's Impalas or the Bel Air
Never thought it could be possible to fall in love with a video! This is pure beauty
Damn, I usually hate the way 12 and 16 cylinder engines sound but this isn't bad. Especially that idle
I had no idea i wanted one, until i saw it..... It's been 15 minutes watching this again and again and still i'm salivating!
this is great! props to the people making amazing engines like this
Dude, this is epic! I was watching intro thinking, "where is the large bore variant? they going to make one? Yup...They did...almost a 10 liter beast! I want one!!
You guys are amazing! Casting your own block ?!?!? Wow
I'm from Michigan , I can't tell you how excited I am for you Australia gear heads! V12 mid engine corvette anyone ?
Sounds like I thought it would, v12 American muscle.
Unfortunately this isn't American muscle, this is Australian muscle!
Because youre a moron.
turn key package: $46,200. Does not include headers, Air filter, Flywheel/Flex plate, Water pump and front accessories.
id say that's about what German manufacturers charge for their high performance engines.
But if you get the cast iron block and some forged internals and put it on maybe 30-40 lbs of boost you’ll be making a safe 1800 easily
At 580cubes, it wont need much boost!
Fullboost but with 580cubes it would spoil some pretty big turbos
Superman
😂 till the engine morphs from the heat and boost
I like how they start of stockish keeping it reasonable, and as they grow they improve the package. They didn't just go all out they wanted to showcase it's a LSness. Lol
It would be so much fun making molds and casting blocks.
Good to see some cast being done on the block cool.
Thank for building this engine..
and that torque curve is what makes this build a winning machine. Got tons of torque when most engines dont even start making power till about 3 grand.
I like how it still sounds like a v8 though.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!! SOMETHING TO CONSIDER FOR ANY HOT ROD PROJECT.
That block/head assembly WILL blow head gaskets over time.
Daniel Why is that?
Awesome engine. GM should place one in the new mid engine Corvette!
Wow great job , you did an actual educational video !!! Great job!! Finna fittin to funna be !!
MMmmm... I like it. Most Aussie cars were built to accept a straight 6 or a V8, so they have the length and the width. I reckon it'd go really nice in a VB C'dore... Can you imagine a 1,400kg car with that in it? Get the Aluminium version and it probably wouldn't be much heavier than an old school 350 Chev, and the CoG would be lower than a straight 6... Putting a decent radiator in might be a bit of a tight fit.
That would be batshit insane
Nope, a VL needs an RB60 ;)
Being Old School, I would fantasise about a streetable HQ Monaro .......................................
If I had one I would call it " DIRTY DOZEN " , GREAT idea, long live hot rodders.
I want one in my Silverado.
Mike it will fit in your bed haha but not the hood
Upcoming video how to pull trailers apart with a silverado
All I want to know is can I shoe horn it into my 2010 SS Camaro?
Holy cow that would be a blast to drive!
Looks perfect for a Rolls Royce Spitfire copy (the market is huge especially in the UK and US) Mini Merlin
I see a bright future for this engine in the world of offshore powerboats!
I would love a twin turbo version for my mud truck! 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Already been done. Early 90's. The Falconer V12 used in the Corvette ZR-12 concept.
It was a N/A Chevy small block and a half and made over 600 horse power. They were planning on using it as a Viper killer but stuck with the DOHC 5.7 used in the Zr-1 instead because of manufacturing complexities and the 4 valve LT5 actually put out as much power as the Chrysler V10.
This would be a perfect aircraft replacement engine.
The only LS I actually find interesting and cool, this is a badass engine, even if it isn't necessarily the most efficient.
Looks delicious
Glad to see progress being made in this regard, but I'm still more interested in the LS V10 Prototype. Maybe these guys could rework their design for two less cylinders.
GM are you watching?
Kenny C even if they did theyll go and make a 3 cylinder 800cc and call in innovative 😂
Over 600hp on a bone stock engine with basic heads.. so much potential for 700+hp NA with pistons, cam and heads alone
Yesterday in TV I saw program from Kindig it Design with a blue Lincoln Continental, with supercharger, with that V12 engine.
I know a straight 6 wouldn't be as powerful but are there any plans for it?
Waiting on the V16
Michael Deas check out Cadillac Sixteen engine it has two ls7s and pushing 1001 horsepower
I'd love to see a supercharged version of this beast in a dragster.
Im planing to build one 👍
They should have designed and made the block with a 60 degree angle so that the engine would have even firing intervals. Or they could have joined two V8 blocks and made a four plane crank to come up with a 90 degree v16 with even firing intervals.
I honestly thought that they welded two blocks together, sleeved them and re-bored the cylinders. I was way off base. Custom castings are impressive.
Thanks! You are right Robert, that's how we made the first prototype before moving forward with the project and tooling up for the one piece blocks and big LS7 port heads.
arent ls engines v8? so if you wleded two v8s together, it would make a v16 engine or a w16 engine depending how you go about welding the blocks together
@@White_Night_Demon pretty certain they would cut ¼ of the block to make it a v12
The idea of a boosted cast iron version is astronomical. It would love boost and make power as reliable as Toyota's reputation.
Throwing boost at this thing would result in some insane numbers on this LS1 that is relatively stock, other then the added cylinders. A mediumly aggressive camshaft could probaly add around an extra hundred horsepower, let alone a really aggressive thumper cam.
God bless those guys
I was just looking up modern L8T iron truck motors (from what I've read are just iron versions of the DI LT1s) with gusseted water jackets, VVT and direct injection and can handle up to 1200hp - imagine a V12 version! We can only dream..
We need a LS3 vs12... That ls is my favorite
I always wanted to see a v12 from 2 straight 6 cummins engines.
I'd like to see more about the crank and firing order. You can't just weld on a section of crank with two more throws for four more pistons. I wonder what they settled on for a firing order and what ignition system they are using.
That's right jbr496. We went with the usual V12 firing order used by Ferrari etc. We make a billet crank and typically use a Haltech ECU which can be configured to run the V12 with any bank angle (In our case 90 degrees).
@@V12LS why didnt you make a v16 engine?
Its all fine and dandy but check out Cadillac Sixteen concept engine, It combined two ls7s to push 1001 ponies at the time.
Hope this gets enough attention and continue development
that is awesome sounding hell yeah
I can’t wait for the boosted version. Imagine that beast with twin VGTs.
guess stock rotating assembly doesn't matter when that 700hp is divided 12 times.
I can’t wait to see this in F1 2019
Damn! It sounds so good!
Quad turbo ls1 v12 sounds cool 3 cylinders feed exhaust gasses to one turbo which create 32lbs of boost maybe more maybe less or connect as many as you can found to matter or one big turbo hiding some where or one big supercharger
OMG now the corvette can have a different engine now hell yeah
So are they gonna become a crate engine ?
These engines are available for purchase yes.
Fullboost is it possible to put it into a evo 9 2006 mr it might be a dumb idea i just want to get that old Engine
ISAF get rid of the rear seats and put it out in the rear haha
The OLD MB 1990's V12 is still in the M120 V12 in the Zonda with 750HP i think 7.3 no turbos??
how much strength could that plain jane gravity pour casting have?
That's not a torque curve, that's a torque table! LMAO.
Are these the same guys that made the quad turbo lsv16 for the 'devel 16' that supposedly cranked out 5000hp?
That is fucking awesome 👍
definitely would still fit in my monte
Yes it would, we have measured one (not that you have to lol)
Coolest thing is watching them break the sand mould to expose the raw casting. Well done lads. 1000BHP at that engine size will be not much trouble with twin cam 4V heads... You've already cast a block...
I agree, LSs need 4V
manitoublack Then it would just be another modern v12. The whole point is that its a SBC and it has pushrods.
manitoublack it’s cast for pushrods tho, so it’d have to be re-developed for ohc
Toyota have fitted TC heads to pushrod blocks in the past. The cam and pushrod spaces just end up unused. Even the current Bently V8 block is a largely unchanged Rolls Royce 6.25L P.R block.
Point being, it's a big deal, but not that a big deal.
Super charge it and add a blower and 10 turbos plus 4 intercoolers and a trans cooler with a differential cooler. ✌
Perfect for marine applications!!!! Plenty of room!!!
I want to put one of these in a Holden Maloo Ute!
They make the heads, crank, cam, and intake manifold too?
It's possible to make a V16 LS this way?
Well this is nifty
I'd love to see that go into an Impala or Monte Carlo. Ultimate US GT cruiser.
why didnt you go with a 60 degree bank angle ?
So this is the new chevy developed to keep up with badass coyote engine.
For those considering this engine, a turn key is $46,200! I was thinking about shoving one into my K5 Blazer mud truck until I saw that price, only way I'd be able to do that is if they sponsored me. Be a perfect platform for testing, hint hint
In the video there is a glimpse of a CAD software. Which design software was used to design the block?
How the hell are these under 50k ?! Their profit margins must be very low.
This isn't a Ferrari standard V12
VAROOM VAROOM VAROOM, oh shit, outta gas already!
So in reality this is pretty much 2 4.3’s put together right?
OMG I'm in love!
I would love to hear one sounding just like a Lamborghini rather than 2 straight 6 engines.
Hard to get that from OHV
osp80 firing order has more to do with it. It’s the reason a coyote 5.0 sounds different from an older 4.6
All that matters is that someone is doing it. People still care. And stuff is still being created.
This motor would be ideal for the California custom built Santarsiero "Atlantic coupe".
That's some wicked shit right there.
Cletus needs to see this
AMAZING!!!!
That's awwweeesssoommeee
They need to start building V12 Barra motors now....
pretty cool
First of the V12 interceptors! Would be a shame to blow it up! The Road Warrior.
Is this a crossplane v12?
Would be great to see inside the rear engine vettes