My "Debate" with @fw.__seb and catching him in a lie.
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- #anime #manga #naruto #kaguya #sasuke #sakura #kakashi #obito #ranking #debate #tiktok
So here's the full story of my interaction with @fw.__.seb on Tiktok. I made my video using my standard premise of including everything about the characters, not just AP and speed, he made a response based on his premise of AP and speed being the only factors that matter, got debunked on that response, tried to clarify his position after the fact, got proven wrong in my Live, we ended things in that Live somewhat peacefully, and then he lied about it which lead us here.
To get some things out of the way before anybody asks though
1) I've blocked Seb on Tiktok because I just don't care to deal with him anymore. It does me no good to either keep feeding a clout chasing troll and/or go back and forth with someone who is so desperate for a win that he didn't get that he's even resorting to trying to call in friends to do it for him and debate the judge. So yeah. Seb can stay on his page and join my Blocked Party, and I'll keep it moving.
2) I know I said this video would be out yesterday, but I got caught up with some family business that I will NOT explain because I don't have to and it's nobody's business. It's up now. Have fun with it.
3) This whole thing stemmed from Seb not asking a simple question or having the common sense to either do his research on me or ask a question before trying to "debunk" me. News flash: People don't always subscribe to your beliefs.
4) No I will not be accepting a rematch from him if he asks. See point 1.
5) If you think I won that debate, I appreciate that but the judge's decision was a draw and I'm going to respect that. If you think I lost, same thing. Judge called it a draw and that's it.
6) If you want to say "well in a vs battle, personalities don't matter". 1. What you're thinking of is a death battle. A vs battle considers the character's personalities, tactics, etc. Everything is taken into consideration. 2. My original video was just a ranking. Not a vs battle. If it was, I would've put #vs in the caption.
7) I don't care if you guys think Tiktok debates are worse than Discord. Discord is beyond biased imo and my policy has always been, "finish things where you start them." Start a problem with me on Tiktok, that's where I finish it. End of story.
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Mate the first part is basically just the reading meme from the boondocks and I'm all here for it
Right?! I couldn’t use that clip because of the language in it but GOD did I want to 😂
I love the fact that even if he hates Sasuke with all his soul he still acknowledges his feats and power
I hate the person. Not the skills
@@-midnightdre- I have an actual Question, why do you hate Sasukes characterization so much when from what I read from other comments, the reasons are debunked by in lore explainations.
@@ace-studio2032 bc he’s a mid character in a mid anime obviously
@@ace-studio2032 sasuke was created to appease the editors to give naruto a rival and it shows kishimoto didn't write sasuke very well and should have died several times in naruto
@@thegreaterconsciousness5997naruto isn't mid
I hope u make more debate videos like this (with respectable parties involved) 💀like universe vs universe battles
If it comes up, I will 😁
@@-midnightdre- DAMN
At least you apologized at the end of the day not a lot of people would do that
I’ll always admit where I go wrong, but because he decided to lie about the Live, I take it all back
@@-midnightdre- i would to 😂😂
Jesus Christ died for our sins and rose again put your faith in Christ.
I appreciate you uploading the live, I always miss the smoke.
No problem 😁
Jesus Christ died for our sins and rose again put your faith in Christ.
@@LamarlovesJesusalready was and that was random
This was started from a naruto chart that did need corrected but not on this level 💀
One thing i get from this is, that it could be avoided by seb at a multitude of levels, its a really unnecessary "Debate"
He had SO many opportunities for this to not happen.
I came here to witness violence
Hopefully I delivered 😂
@@-midnightdre-23:59 thank you for clarifying this now I can send this part of the video to all of the people who are wrong they take away speed feats and everything else and add no cool down and all this other dumb junk to characters and I told him this is not a Build-A-Bear factory and they always try to brush me off
As a huge one piece fan, I'm embarrassed to say I've never watched Naruto but after watching this video, I'm fully convinced I'm gonna start watching the series as soon as tomorrow lol
It is an easy to watch but you can’t throw too much logic into it otherwise it gets annoying with retcon.
I think your scaling abilities are sum of the best on yt i completely agree with everything u said
I love how he trys to defend Naruto yet even the creator himself said Madara was too strong so they had to kill him off
I like how you think that this was said by the author himself lmao. So the author introduced a stronger villain to get rid of madara. Good logic.
@@kawaki-san6052😂. "I have a hole in my wall, how can i fix this?....Ah right i just make it bigger"
@@muchoyurdem5260 that logic 🤣
@@kawaki-san6052 😂
Proof?
I'm late again this is the third time that I've said this but let me address something for Dre fw: said if you were to have an ability to seal the strongest person in your verse but someone else had the ability to resist that, and he asked does that mean that that person is stronger than the strongest person in your verse the proper answer to that is no that just means that they have a stronger variety of defense 😂😂
I want to let everybody know in this comments section right now, if that person gets jumped that clearly means that they are stronger than the person that they were already fighting, along with everyone else that jumps in the fight.
Soo in other words your saying Jiraiya is stronger than Pain?
@@NicoNicoKneeCaps69 depends on which one he would be fighting one-on-one. Maybe not the 7th pain but probably half or majority of them he can beat cuz like come on, we all know that if each of them took their turns half or majority of them would have gotten dropped. Especially when we all saw how Konan was practically running.
Jesus Christ died for our sins and rose again put your faith in Christ.
@@LamarlovesJesusAND Jesus got jumped 💀
@jamiepearson7217 you made me choke on my food from laughing
Is dms kakashi not entirely full of hacks the same as kaguya his own point against kaguya hurts his argument for kakashi
Debated is so fun, I've debated a guy before on discord and we went at it. The debated was about if Goku is 5th dimensional, meaning that he will need to transcend time and space itself but that will mean that he has to be an omnipotent being, back then idk what i was doing, but we came to a conclusion that he wasn't 5D but instead 4D and move at innacesible speed and can move through time and space, MFTL blah blah, also remember when in the anime Goku moves to Hell that has been calculate to be a quadrillion time faster then the speed of light at his base form, u can see it throughout google but i lost the debated that day, and i learn some new, the debated ended up peacefully tho, no lie admit i fumble and lost, we were scaling with number and calculation it was fun, we were physician in a debated, i can't wait to see this one😂.
So whats the point? Do you actually believe what you calc or is it just for the sake of argument?
@@popcornsoup5444 i actually what I'm calculating bro it literally simple it not eve. That it like 3+3 but....but if u scaling u have to sometime but let say someone moving at light speed or massively faster than light speed that can be calculated with the formula of n=c/v v=cn then the answer is v
It confusing but once u learn this formula trust me bro i will accurately Calcutta the power level and their feat of someone lift a mountain how heavy was the mountain, the mountain weight around billions of pound, now how strong will that person be to have enough pressure or density in his body to so will be around 200 billion tons, or pressure.
@@GRAINYPILL Goku is 5th dimensional. You need to work on forming stronger arguments.
@@coin4898 fr is not, is 4d at best and he surpasses Jiren who was 4d also 😂
@@OmarAli-jv1qh he's 4d at best and he surpasses Jiren who was 4d also nah 5th dimension that like Goku transcending time and space itself he's not omnipresent or omnipotent 😂
37:23 i love how you literally showcased/proved in the panel Naruto using Lava style and then he goes on, "but that doesnt mean he has sealing Jutsus" 😂😂🤦♂️. Bruhh. IF HE HAS LAVA STYLE which hes BORROWING from Son Goku then he obviously also has MAGNET STYLE which hes BORRWING from Shukaku lmao.
Actually Naruto permanently has though kekkei genkai. Its why he can still use Lava style in Boruto.
Bro dont you think dead hagoromo is one of the most powerful otsutsukis since he now has infinite creation of all things
10. Ashura otsutsuki
9. Juubito
8. Toneri
7. Dms Kakashi
6. Sasuke
5. Naruto
4. Hamura otsutsuki
3. Juubidara
2. Kaguya otsutsuki
1. Hagoromo otsutsuki
This is the only right list
I feel like you liked your own comment
Please make another long form video, I really enjoyed this
Nothing more annoying than someone liking to hide behind intelligent words, it’s one thing to have a civil conversation and just be wrong it’s another to keep throwing words and insults to feel smarter.
Immortality is part of a character's overall power so I dont get his argument. It's like hes trying to dismiss certain things that Kaguya has as if it doesn't count lol
58:13 you could have just said that her kit is what makes her kaguya. You said that before, and I agree. Kaguya wouldnt rlly be kaguya if she wasnt the immortal and powerful character she is.
But then again, not like you had a script or anything.
And abt the kid with a gun thing he talked abt, kaguya's techniques are different bc its more like muscles. Its not something someone can give or take.
Man talked ab Naruto destroying meteors like that was just some omega level feat
It is
Lol. There are dozens of instances where literally EVERYONE wouldve died if not for team konoha being a whole arse TEAM.
The fact alone that Hagoromo gave half of his chakra to each, Naruto and Sasuke and not even he with all his chakra could beat Kaguya alone proves everything.
Dre i don't know if you see this but i didn't go to the live but the video where he said to prove that adult sage of six paths naruto could still have the seal what didn't haguromo say he took the seal back after the battle in the final valley if that was what he was implying😂❤
It’s like he says in the video once this guy was losing an argument. They went completely off-topic chasing rabbits.
It’s crazy how many people think characters that are STATED to be super strong MUST be super strong instead of looking at that characters feats of strength sakura realistically is elite jonnin and not much higher 😂
That’s like saying the popular kid in school is the toughest because people just say they are
And could beat the kid who gose to boxing 3 times a week 😂
Like people have such middle school levels of thinking sometimes 🤣
Crazy how sakura is actually kcm2 and ems sasuke level lol.
@@kawaki-san6052 bro when has she ever shown ANYTHING that makes her slightly on there level????
She hit kaguya WELL DONE!!!!!! Fucking top tier!!! 🤡
Bro kaguya was focused on Naruto and sasUKE and kakashi
Sakura was like an ant just annoying her
Sakura is weak af bro
@@sofakingthe2nd286 first of all, hashirama acknowledged her as stronger and better than tsunade which puts her in kcm1 level. When she uses her hundred healings to supply obito with chakra greater than 1/3 of Naruto’s so6p+kcm2 chakra clone. And in boruto, she’s just a lot stronger. It’s safe to say that she’s in kcm2 naruto‘a level in terms of combat capabilities. Of course kcm2 naruto obliterates her in DC and speed. But in pure strength and durability (when you take boruto’s sakura) she’s relative to him.
@@kawaki-san6052 that’s all been STATED!
I just said I don’t fucking acknowledge that shit because it’s retardedshe hasn’t shown on screen any where near the level of Naruto or sasuke
Jesus Christ died for our sins and rose again put your faith in Christ.
This video made me respect Midnight dre more
Like i always thought his takes were kinda cheeks
But he discussed this in a civil way
Why is he being so rude when he's the one who literally tried to make u look bad in the internet ion understood these kinds of ppl honestly and he uses that scaling so his favorite characters can be in the top he doesn't care about what's real lmaoo
@hanging_with_my_normies916 Not many. Most aren't.
kaguya should be at no.1 team 7 could only seal her naruto cant do that on his own also she tanked a lot of there attacks and did damage to them
12:29 sakura also hit her in her blind spot so she litterally didnt see iy comming
Her blind spot is just one mm not an entire body lmao+ if you read the manga you will see how kaguya is activating her byakugan and then a “!” Sign appears. She cleared saw her coming.
The start of his video was unnecessary
Yup. Could’ve just said “I disagree and here’s why” or tagged me so we could have a civil conversation, but no. He had to start some shit
@@-midnightdre- I couldn’t stand him but I watched half of the vid I’m go finish the rest when I’m free
@@Slaxpp0 That’s fair
@@-midnightdre- I know that was selfish of me but I got to deal with these gojo stands
@@-midnightdre- I am watching the hole thing tho
if you won why’d you threaten him then block him
By the way when you add in that Saitama clip you should have had it in English.😂
I mean y’all both had valid points
Tough. I want to be like you my boy
Bro really said you’re evading my point that makes no sense, so I’m right
Seraphim Goku vs Amos
Non-Canon versus Canon
Looks like you it personal. It wasn’t that serious my guy. All your video shorts are basically discrediting other people’s opinions. Don’t take my comment personal. Just my opinion. Keep making good content. 🍻 In saying that, the other guy comes off as a very condescending individual.
I have Madara > kaguya
Edo Itachi hashirama , Edo Minato > sakura
I was here
Preciate ya! 😁
@@-midnightdre- it's about to go nuts
Bro just accept that you downplay the Goku And other characters too much the many times you downplayed Goku I would be richer than Elon Musk buddy
SHINRA CANT BEAT VEGETA GOKU OR WHIS
Facts
Shinrabanshoman cleared the verse but base shinra get clapped
If it’s base, yea
base shinra cant beat shinra banshoman can beat
Banshoman Neg diffs the verse. Base gets slammed
Lmao seb slammed disagree and debate me
😂😂😂😂
Why do you hate Sasuke so much? Like ok yes there are a few times he went too far but honestly it wasn’t really that bad? I mean are you SURE you don’t think you like him at all? Like are you 100% positive? I think you need to just think this through a little bit more🤔
From what I gathered was his abusive nature before EOS shippuden,even after the war became a terrorist again,was overall a jerk most of the series and bro was just let off the hook for his crimes,if ya want info Dre I think made a vid on it as did a man named classic man d
There's a difference between going too far and being an active terrorist for several years
@@waffle-234 his terrorism was justified, his entire clan was k1lled because of hate towards them to put this into perspective that’s basically me saying I hate you’re race and want every person of you’re race dead because they are dangerous also he was forced to see his parents dy1ng over 500,000 times
Jesus Christ died for our sins and rose again put your faith in Christ.
What the fuck? Like you just decided to completely ignore the video to mention something un related. It’s cultish
Sakura isnt even Top 15
my opinion:
1. Hagoromo
2. Kaguya
3. full power Juubidara
4. Naruto
5. Sasuke
6. Kakashi
7. Guy
8. Juubito
9. Hashirama (or Ashura, in theory Hamura should be in the list, but yeah, dude has no showings)
@hanging_with_my_normies916 then go on, what would you change?
the tone of your "go on" seems like ur looking to argue with someone which is wild lmao. but imo I'd change a good bit, (not in any order, just what I feel like typing, but Sakura def deserves to be on this list above guy simply bc 100 heals, and dms Kakashi dubs Naruto and Sasuke. also madara should be lower bc Naruto in spsm (base, no stacked modes) hit him so hard he had to run and get another rinnegan, and Naruto and sasu were fighting for a couple days so that wasn't them at 100%. Narritively, like how it happened, sure dual rinne jubidara should go above Naruto and sasuke. but if they were 100%, end of shippuden n&s takes that
@@psyxhstr3105Sakura caps at Kcm
Sakura solos naruto
Haha
Nice joke
Is it April fool?
I am known by two names
Both have the nickname of Demon
goofy ahh name
@@LeeHarveyOswaldsLeftNut admittedly true
This name has a weird history
I don’t think u debunked his points lol he debunked a lot of ur points also
I'm not entirely sure what Seb got right during the debate. While he was wrong on the actual research, he just kept talking in circles. Sure, Midnight didn’t respond immediately and double-checked his facts, but nothing Seb said held merit for long other than the “your just salty I upset you” argument he went back to…
@@CodeSiber they both had valid point but he didn't de bunk none of his points
@@Bugdubbs the argument kept jumping to a part of the conversation that didn’t matter for this convo.
STOP THE HATE ON SAUSKE
are u on twitter? if so, whats your @